--- Log for 16.07.108 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 16 hours ago 00.00.34 # That just means a .deb file though. 00.01.32 # nice, it seems to shell exec a "bootloader" executable... 00.02.24 # hrm...i wonder how it calls things with it being GPLv3 00.02.25 # and gives a selection of 3rd party builds to install 00.02.31 # ug 00.02.33 # ugh 00.02.33 # Llorean: well, they plan to include quite a bunch of stuff. 00.03.14 # but as far as I can see they don't have too much working yet. Just read a forum threads where they discussed rbutil not having a player detection ... in march! 00.03.22 # Hah 00.03.23 Quit ender` (" Man created gods. The opposite remains to be proved. -- Serge Gainsbourg") 00.03.34 # seems they haven't looked at rbutil in a serious way :/ 00.03.47 # and are they calling our gplv2 binarys? 00.04.03 # well...GPLv2 or later now i guess =P 00.04.31 # well, for sansapatcher I guess so ;-) But that isn't an issue ... they are just calling them 00.04.35 # and actually those....erm...nevermind 00.04.43 # Yeah, but they're claiming the tool is distributed as GPLv3 00.04.56 # If they're distributing our binaries, they need to include the proper license with them. 00.05.10 # that is what i was getting at 00.05.32 # * bluebrother downloads the source package 00.05.56 # Llorean: perhaps they made a gplv3 fork? ;) 00.07.08 # seems they distribute a binary "bootloader" within their "source" tarball :/ 00.07.30 # and that tarball is in fact a tarbomb :( 00.08.33 # ok, there is an issue: the distributed sansapatcher isn't GPLv3, but the tarball doesn't contain a notice about that. 00.09.41 Quit Horscht ("We don't make mistakes, we just have happy little accidents") 00.10.11 # If it's v2 or later, they can distribute it *as* V3 though. 00.11.00 # hmm. But they don't distribute the sources. Is this in line with v2 too? 00.11.26 # Hm 00.11.27 # I'm not sure 00.11.41 # They do need to provide the sources, but with v2 if they compiled it from our clean sources, they could just link people to us. 00.12.36 # I'm wondering if, as they distribute "sources", it's ok to not include a pointer to the sources of the binary they put into their tarball. 00.17.36 Quit obo ("bye") 00.21.04 Quit Lear ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 00.21.40 Quit avis ("if you could step inside me...") 00.21.50 Quit bluebrother ("leaving") 00.22.03 Quit DataGhost (Nick collision from services.) 00.22.08 Quit herrwaldo ("Konversation terminated!") 00.22.10 Join DataGhost [0] (i=dataghos@unaffiliated/dataghost) 00.22.10 Join cyc0 [0] (n=nstefani@prodigy.gaoland.net) 00.22.58 Join Bensawsome [0] (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 00.22.59 Join jac0b|w [0] (i=42207874@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-248c52f4bdf3e533) 00.24.16 # Hi there 00.24.51 # okay I think I figured out the flac thing it has to do with flac 1.2.1 00.25.18 # Anyone with experience on LCD drivers of rockbox project ? 00.25.41 Join fdinel [0] (n=Miranda@modemcable204.232-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.28.51 # cyc0: it might be better to ask your more specific question instead 00.31.00 Quit shotofadds (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.32.13 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B033260.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.33.00 # scorche|sh : any project supported by rockbox using a solomon lcd ctrl with spi interface ? 00.35.01 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 00.41.34 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.41.40 Join Nibbl [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-091-089-240-203.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 00.41.55 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@bzq-84-108-237-178.cablep.bezeqint.net) 00.43.23 Quit sitwon ("Leaving") 00.48.13 Quit cyc0 ("BitchX: now with wings") 00.53.44 Quit jac0b|w ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 00.57.35 # woah 00.57.38 # that's a ton of red 00.58.41 # i see another person who happened to look at the delta table... 01.09.32 Join gnujin [0] (n=user@81.68.131.249) 01.09.37 # Hello. 01.12.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.13.17 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 01.17.08 Join Thundercloud [0] (n=thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 01.18.49 Join culture [0] (n=none@79.97.22.57) 01.19.55 Join avis [0] (n=ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis) 01.24.24 Quit bertrik (Remote closed the connection) 01.26.50 Join CaptainKewl [0] (i=jds@207-237-173-165.c3-0.nyr-ubr4.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.28.48 Quit Horscht ("User was distributing pornography on server; system seized by FBI") 01.31.33 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 01.32.51 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 01.33.10 Join Horscht [0] (n=Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 01.36.48 Quit Nibbl (Remote closed the connection) 01.37.18 Quit CaptainKewl ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.40.53 Quit Zarggg () 01.41.21 Quit XavierGr (Nick collision from services.) 01.41.33 Join XavierGr [0] (n=xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 01.42.15 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 01.46.38 Join Zarggg [0] (n=z@65-78-69-194.c3-0.eas-ubr6.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com) 01.59.14 Join floatsaka [0] (n=cvxt@ip70-174-110-128.hr.hr.cox.net) 02.03.03 Part pixelma 02.07.23 Quit Thundercloud (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.07.29 Nick JdGordon|zzz is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 02.15.35 Quit oofus (Remote closed the connection) 02.17.50 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.18.01 Part gnujin ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 02.25.47 Join sitwon [0] (n=adam@pool-71-178-11-192.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 02.27.35 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 02.40.35 Join simonrvn [0] (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) 02.40.54 Part simonrvn ("Thanks, and Take Care") 02.42.43 Quit BlakeJohnson863 ("Leaving.") 02.43.21 Join BlakeJohnson86 [0] (n=bjohnson@c-24-118-135-22.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 02.46.30 Quit PaulJam_ (".") 02.51.31 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2d6acae36b050555) 02.52.09 # Hello Everybody 02.52.44 Join gnujin [0] (n=user@81.68.131.249) 02.53.21 # Hello again, where can I find a information about iPod 5.5G 80GiB firmware? 02.53.36 # I have a problem with bootloader installation. 02.54.02 # whats your problem? (and for future refrence, dont just say "i have a problem") 02.57.01 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=BHSPitLa@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey) 02.57.08 # xqtftqx: Sorry, I have Gentoo GNU/Linux and I trying install something linux-based on my iPod. 02.57.26 # gnujin: Rockbox isn't Linux-based. 02.57.40 # Why not tell how far you've gotten in the process, and what error you're encountering? 02.57.55 # Llorean: On the begining. 02.58.23 # gnujin: that isnt really an error or problem...have you had a look at the manual? 02.58.42 # are you sure it is not a classic if you cant install rockbox? 02.58.59 # Llorean: I created a VFAT on iPod. Then I tried to install bootloader in MBR. 02.59.20 # gnujin: have you had a look at the ManualRestore wiki page? 02.59.24 # scorche: Yes, I'm sitting at it almost a week. 02.59.28 # gnujin: Did you follow the instructions in the wiki for converting it to FAT32? 02.59.55 # gnujin: so at what point in that page are you encountering error/issues? 03.00.02 # Llorean: You mean mkdosfs -F 32 -S 2048 /device/? 03.00.28 # gnujin: No, it's not that simple 03.00.34 # If that's all you did, you did not follow the instructions in the wiki. 03.00.49 # Llorean: Excuse me? 03.01.02 # gnujin: "Excuse me" doesn't tell me which part of my statement you didn't understand. 03.01.10 # There are directions in the wiki for properly converting an iPod to FAT32. 03.01.15 # It is not as simple as reformatting the device. 03.02.04 # Llorean: Ok, ipodpatcher complaining that the logical sector size is too big -- is 4096B. 03.02.26 # gnujin: You should not be running iPodpatcher until after you've done the conversion the way the wiki says. 03.03.37 # Llorean: So, what do you recommended? 03.04.26 # gnujin: follow the wikipage's directions 03.04.27 # gnujin: Follow the instructions on the IpodManualRestore page. 03.06.07 # Llorean: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch1.html#x3-20001 -- this you mean? 03.07.11 # gnujin: wikipage...click wiki, type the name of the page there as we have typed it, hit enter 03.07.31 # i thought you said you had been sitting on it for almost a week 03.08.06 Join IntrepiD [0] (n=abel408@cpe-74-70-181-36.nycap.res.rr.com) 03.08.15 # Hello everyone! 03.08.21 # scorche: ... 03.08.22 Join aidy [0] (n=AidyMole@mail.rty.ca) 03.08.24 # hi 03.08.33 # i'm trying to unbrick my D2 03.08.59 # but i always get [ 283.096918] sdb: unknown partition table 03.09.02 # gnujin: yes? 03.09.10 # I'm new to rockbox... All I'm trying to do is change the wps. I can change the theme fine, but when I try to change the wps it will just show the default wps. I have tried this with several themes 03.09.13 # it seems to work after i reboot though 03.09.28 # IntrepiD: you are likely dealing with broken themes 03.09.50 # scorche: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view -- This is not a wiki? 03.09.55 # are the acotil themes broken? 03.10.03 # gnujin: That is the wiki, yes. 03.10.06 # gnujin: it is 03.10.14 # gnujin: And we gave you the exact name of the page in it you need: IpodManualRestore 03.10.26 # aidy: What exactly did you do to your D2? 03.10.32 # IntrepiD, yes there is a lot of the themes that are broken 03.10.39 # IntrepiD: if you get the old default theme while trying to load it, then likely yes 03.10.50 # I have a sansa e270... could you tell me a theme that is not broken so I can test it? 03.10.51 # Llorean: i was trying to upgrade to 4.58 03.11.16 # Llorean: together with the rockbox bootloader 03.11.32 # IntrepiD: the ones that come with rockbox shouldnt be 03.11.33 # IntrepiD, there is themes on anythingbutipod that is not broken.. just look for VP 03.11.47 Quit EspeonEefi ("さよなら") 03.12.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.12.56 # Llorean: Yes, I downloaded the image for 80GB but... ipodpatcher gave me an error message something about a copyright of the firmware... 03.14.23 # gnujin: What "image" are you referring to? 03.14.41 # The ManualRestore page doesn't mention the word "image" at all, so please use the exact same terms it does so I can be sure to know what you're talking about 03.15.10 # Llorean: mbr-video80gb-2048.bin 03.15.17 # You do not use that file with iPodPatcher 03.16.01 # Llorean: So what kind of program I should use? 03.16.57 # read the wiki 03.18.02 # advcomp2019: Ok, nevermind... thank you for help, expecially your's... 03.18.09 # gnujin: Are you running windosw or linux? 03.18.39 # sorry nvm 03.19.47 # gnujin: The page tells you *exactly* what program to use at each step if you'd read it instead of trying to guess. 03.20.30 # xqtftqx: "nvm" is not a real word. 03.20.35 # I shouldn't have to remind you of this, by this point. 03.21.18 # xqtftqx: Wonderful community, isn't it? :D 03.21.37 # gnujin: The channel has guidelines. Nobody would get chastised if you guys would actually have the decency to follow them in the first place. 03.22.18 # gnujin: So far you've not asked any question specific enough to receive help with, and when directed to the documentation you've refused to actually follow it, and just apparently made random guesses as to what to do judging from your responses. 03.22.27 # Why should the community support you in doing stupid things rather than simply reading the docs? 03.27.00 # Llorean: Actually you have right. My apologise. 03.27.04 Quit tvelocity_ (Remote closed the connection) 03.27.31 # ANybody know how to install sdl? for building the simulator? 03.28.01 # xqtftqx: See the SDL docs or your OS's package manager if you're running an appropriate linux variant 03.29.11 # i only see sdlm 03.29.16 # a arcade emulator 03.30.06 Quit neddy ("Leaving.") 03.30.22 Quit maffe ("IRC ist obsolet!") 03.30.49 # xqtftqx: you might want to try #sdl or #yourlinuxdistrohere 03.31.21 # ... ok... 03.32.08 Quit cool_walking_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.32.58 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-166-254.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 03.35.29 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@CERULEANCITY.MIT.EDU) 03.41.39 # Anyone know if there is a "Brightness (plugged in)" options in rockbox? 03.42.46 # Could someone please give me a link to a non-broken wps I could try. Ive tried supposively fixed ones and they don't work either 03.42.58 # IntrepiD: Just try the default included one. 03.43.07 # IntrepiD: as i told you before, there are a few that come with rockbox...they should work fine 03.43.25 # swears: I don't believe such a feature is mentioned in the manual, no. 03.43.34 # Yeah, i couldn't find it 03.43.43 # I only see the backlight timer (plugged in) 03.43.53 # would be nice to have different brightness setting as well. 03.44.14 # feel free to implement such a feature 03.44.22 # I'll get right on it 03.44.44 # scorche: I can't get any of the default ones to work. They all show the default wps 03.45.04 # IntrepiD: try with the newest build 03.45.44 # I am on the newest build 03.45.53 # i just installed 2 hours ago 03.46.04 # IntrepiD, cabbiev2 does not work? 03.46.30 Quit Addicted (Remote closed the connection) 03.47.32 # no 03.48.00 # it works here on my e280R 03.48.10 # Llorean: When I'm doing a backup of MBR I need unmount the device first isn't it? 03.48.14 # IntrepiD: Are you sure you didn't re-download another copy of CabbieV2 when you were downloading themes? 03.48.35 Part aidy 03.49.24 # gnujin: None of the instructions describe making a backup of your MBR. Since I have no idea what you're doing, I can't really offer you help with it. 03.51.27 # Llorean: I'm trying to insure myself I mean I try to backup MBR and Firmware. 03.51.40 # Llorean: It's not a good idea? 03.52.26 # All I said is that because I don't know what you're doing, I can't help. 03.52.59 Quit DerDome (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.53.01 # It shouldn't be necessary to unmount for making a backup, but since I don't know what method you've come up with to do it, I don't know if maybe you need to because you're doing something I hadn't thought of. 03.54.13 # Llorean: I'm using dd tool -- "dd if=/dev/sdX of=backup_file count=1" 03.55.11 # It should not be necessary 03.55.58 # Llorean: Ok, thank you but how to backup the firmware? 03.58.24 # There's no reason to. 03.58.44 # The entire point of the manual restore page is for recovering damaged firmware. It just happens to be the same process as converting an iPod properly to FAT32 03.58.55 # gnujin: Do you want to backup the rockbox install or the bootloader? 03.59.11 # xqtftqx: he hasn't got Rockbox installed. 03.59.18 # oh sorry, my window didnt scroll dowl 04.01.46 # Llorean: I didn't ask about the reason. Please, answer me. 04.02.03 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) 04.02.25 # xqtftqx: Do you have in mind a Apple bootloader? 04.02.55 # gnujin: If you read the page, it links where to download good firmware from. There's no reason to back it up because your backup is actually more likely to be useless for recovery than the known good download. 04.04.15 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.07.05 # Llorean: Can I ask what this firmware containing? 04.07.22 # It's the official Apple firmware... 04.07.49 # The page's purpose is to restore an iPod to working status as a normal Apple FAT32 iPod. 04.07.55 # After which Rockbox install can be performed as normal. 04.08.24 # Llorean: But nothing other then Rockbox? 04.08.49 # I don't know what you mean. 04.08.51 # gnujin: those links do not contain rockbox 04.08.57 # The page makes it a working Apple iPod 04.09.04 # After which you can do to it anything you could do to a working Apple iPod. 04.09.32 # Why do you ask? 04.10.46 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 04.24.53 # Llorean: Ok, now I have a problem. 04.25.20 # What is the problem 04.26.13 # Llorean: When I've copied the firmware and then run the fdisk he tell me that I have only one partition /dev/sda1. 04.27.27 Join miepchen^schlaf_ [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7B25.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.27.40 # Then you probably did not properly put the MBR on and make Linux reread it 04.29.17 # Llorean: dd if=file of=/dev/sda1 is not proper? 04.29.40 # *properly? 04.29.44 Quit sarixe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.30.27 # No, it's not. 04.30.48 # dd if=file of=/dev/sda would be proper, since you don't want to just write it within a specific partition. 04.31.05 # That's why it says "sdX" unlike the later "sdX1" and "sdX2" 04.31.09 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.33.48 # Llorean: dd if=Firmware-X.Y.Z of=/dev/sdX1 -- step 6. 04.33.59 # The MBR 04.34.25 # I said you probably did not properly put the *MBR* on, not the firmware. 04.34.32 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Connection timed out) 04.35.24 # Llorean: I am sorry, I'm sleepy right now. 04.35.25 Join sarixe [0] (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) 04.36.12 # You should probably stop and get some rest then. 04.36.19 # Small typos and confusions are only going to make this harder. 04.37.12 # Llorean: I'm going to work today. ;) 04.38.05 # Llorean: Ok, but I should use MBR from rockbox or my own? 04.38.27 # The page tells you to use the one from there. It'd be pointless to reuse the one you just copied off... 04.39.28 Quit jhulst (Remote closed the connection) 04.39.58 # Llorean: Ok. 04.40.25 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-ac29dfaaca9a9cc7) 04.41.32 Quit avis ("if you could step inside me...") 04.42.22 Join avis [0] (n=ident@pdpc/supporter/student/avis) 04.47.41 # doesn't RB use fixed point calculations? 04.48.04 # Usually 04.48.07 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.48.29 # I thought not all targets support floating point 04.49.30 # In the sense that floating point ops are very, very slow generally 04.49.42 # ah.. 04.49.52 # I thought some targets don't support FP at all 04.50.08 # I'm not sure on the specifics myself. 04.50.23 # I'll try to stick to fixed point then 04.50.25 # thanks :) 04.52.37 Join n9xvt [0] (n=187be7e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-360798bfc84937b1) 04.54.41 # wpyh: if you use double/float then they will be emulated on the target and thus be very slow 04.54.58 # however they're not totally unusable, but will almost never be accepted for core functions 04.55.01 # plugins should be okay 04.56.19 # safetydan: I'm trying to optimize a plugin, so it would be counterproductive to use floating point.. :p 04.56.30 # thanks anyway ;) 04.57.05 Join jhulst [0] (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) 04.58.45 # I need to calculate the reciprocal of a square root, and found the infamous InvSqrt() from quake 3 04.58.49 # but it uses floating point 04.59.00 # * wpyh will try convert it into fixed point 04.59.07 # although that might not be possible.. 04.59.37 # You might see if Quake 1 has a similar function. Since I have no clue what it was used for, I couldn't guess, but IIRC Quake 1 was still fixed point. 05.00.32 # Llorean: OK, I will search for that 05.03.10 # wpyh: there are fixed point sqrt functions in most codecs 05.03.14 # mi clock keeps changing time? sansa c240? 05.03.41 # libwma has on in wmafixed.h 05.04.17 # sorry wmafixed.c 05.04.42 # hey, thanks :) 05.04.58 # it seems like an unrolled loop to me 05.08.15 Join d-k-t-2 [0] (n=dt@60.176.195.75) 05.08.43 # also,,doesent connect to rock box utility wen has a sd card in it? 05.11.07 # Llorean: FAT: logical sector size too small for device (logical sector size = 2048) 05.12.05 # gnujin: Have you tried the mformat method? 05.12.09 # Llorean: I used mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 4 -M 2048 -F a: 05.12.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.13.05 # Llorean: In mformat config file I uncommented line with drive a: file="dev/sda2" 05.13.22 # *file="/dev/sda2" 05.13.40 # Llorean: No error message occured. 05.13.54 # What's giving the error message then? 05.14.12 # Llorean: dmesg | tail 05.15.01 # Is some specific step failing? 05.15.16 # Llorean: No. 05.15.50 # Llorean: I did those steps several times to be sure. 05.16.01 # Then what, exactly, are you asking? 05.16.24 # wpyh: there's a few fixed point functions floating around in the codecs and plugins. I think there might even be a fixedpoint.c in the plugin lib 05.16.29 # Llorean: How to solve this problem. 05.16.32 # I don't know if that message is normal or not, but I do know the formatting on these iPods is a little unusual so I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it kicked up warnings of some sort. 05.16.42 # gnujin: What *is* the problem. You said no step is failing. 05.17.07 # Llorean: I can't mount /dev/sda2 05.17.54 # gnujin: do you have a 5.5g ipod? 05.18.03 # safetydan: thanks, I'll take a look 05.18.14 # gnujin: And you're 100% sure you have a 5.5G and not a 6G? 05.18.45 # Llorean: Yes, frontside is black and backside chrome. 05.19.07 # gnujin: the 6G also has those colours 05.19.46 # is the front side plastic or metal? 05.20.51 # hm... no algorithm/function for inverse square root in the codecs (I looked for inv.*sqrt) 05.20.58 # i don't understand this error: "io.c:148: error: storage class specified for parameter 'sim_root_dir' " 05.21.07 # where that line is "extern const char *sim_root_dir; " 05.21.08 # wpyh: Plastic. 05.21.21 # gnujin: then it's a 5.5g 05.21.29 # try the mkfs.vfat method 05.21.45 # wpyh: I also tried. 05.21.50 # and? 05.22.02 # wpyh: Same result. 05.22.02 # gnujin: Just to verify, what are the first three characters of its serial number? 05.22.06 # * wpyh really thinks the mformat method should go away 05.22.26 # wpyh: The mformat method is generally more reliable than the mkfs.vfat one for the 2048 disks. 05.22.45 # wpyh: you can use 1/fixsqrt() 05.22.47 # Llorean: I haven't had trouble with mkfs.vfat... 05.22.57 # saratoga: yeah, I was trying to avoid that :p 05.23.20 # if we can easily convert between fixed-point and floating point, we can use quake3's function... 05.23.23 # Llorean: 8M7 05.23.31 # wpyh: Well, we had many, many people have problems with it in the early days of supporting the 80gig ones. It's possible they've fixed some bugs in their own code? 05.23.54 # gnujin: Those are the LEFTMOST three? 05.23.57 # wpyh: are you actually limited by sqrt performance? 05.24.09 # Llorean: I suspect that they didn't use the correct parameters to mkfs.vfat 05.24.09 # gnujin: I made a mistake, I need the rightmost three, sorry. 05.24.23 # Llorean: First are first. I'm not a arabian. 05.24.37 Quit d-k-t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.24.42 # saratoga: not sure yet, but we'll find out 05.24.46 # ;) 05.24.59 # gnujin: Again, I already said it was my mistake, and that I need the rightmost three... 05.25.31 # Llorean: YMV 05.25.33 # wpyh: The command on the page now is what was used then. 05.25.41 # since I'm trying to use this algorithm (http://geometryalgorithms.com/Archive/algorithm_0102/algorithm_0102.htm) to calculate the distance of a point to a line, I need the inverse of the square root 05.25.46 # gnujin: That's a classic serial number. 6G. 05.26.03 # gnujin: You are 100% certainly using an "iPod Classic" rather than an "iPod Video" and Rockbox cannot be run on your device. 05.26.24 # * wpyh wonders how the classic can have a plastic front 05.26.47 # Llorean: do we have a log of people who had problems with the mkfs.vfat command? 05.26.55 # * wpyh wants to round'em up 05.27.10 # wpyh: Nothing specific. You'd have to dig through old IRC logs I imagine 05.27.16 # wpyh: I would make sure sqrt performance is actually a problem before trying to optimize it ... 05.27.20 # Llorean: Are you sure? 05.27.43 # Llorean: ok, we'll see 05.27.45 # gnujin: There is no doubt. you can verify at apple.com yourself: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353 05.28.01 # saratoga: uh, yeah.. let me implement the algorithm first, and then optimize 05.28.15 # * wpyh remembers now that premature optimization is the root of all .* 05.28.43 # Llorean: ... So there's no hope. 05.29.31 # Llorean: Anyway thank you for helping me. 05.31.03 Quit gnujin ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 05.38.09 # any info? 05.42.35 Quit fdinel ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 05.44.35 Quit n9xvt ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.47.41 Quit IntrepiD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.49.50 # is there any easy way to download album art for my ipod 30g? something that will search through all the mp3s on the ipod and attempt to download it automatically? 05.50.45 # unpaidbill: I've seen various programs for doing that over the years, i'm sure you can find one on google 05.51.06 # unpaidbill: Media preparation really isn't on-topic here though. This is for questions and development work of Rockbox and it's official tools. 05.54.21 # just wondering if anyone knew something n particular, i'll fish on google some more 06.05.36 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.14.57 Join Level2Tech [0] (n=ask@ip68-226-249-165.lf.br.cox.net) 06.15.27 # Yeah yeah, check out my website and take a look at my code. 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Download the files and put them in the subdirectorys on the device? 08.12.27 # it says how to fix the themes when you edit the theme 08.13.26 # Oh, Okay 08.15.37 # Llorean? 08.17.21 Quit tessarakt ("Client exiting") 08.18.14 Quit safetydan ("Leaving.") 08.20.23 Part Brendan03 08.20.44 Join Brendan03 [0] (n=Brendan0@203-219-209-187.static.tpgi.com.au) 08.20.45 Quit DaCapn () 08.22.26 Join K4rP4D [0] (n=KrPD@unaffiliated/krpd) 08.25.20 Part Brendan03 08.30.38 Quit xqtftqx (Remote closed the connection) 08.30.38 Quit GodEater_ (Remote closed the connection) 08.30.38 Quit perrikwp (Remote closed the connection) 08.34.33 Join Rob2223 [0] (n=Miranda@p4FDCD9ED.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.37.04 Join Brendan03 [0] (n=Brendan0@203-219-209-187.static.tpgi.com.au) 08.37.04 Part Brendan03 08.44.05 Join GodEater [0] (i=c2cbc962@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.45.38 Quit swears ("( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )") 08.45.57 Join ender` [0] (i=krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.46.31 # GodEater: Present 08.47.48 # did you see the note I left on the *first* of Zardoz's posts I deleted this morning ? 08.48.08 # No, I usually don't read the trash unless someone calls attention to it. 08.48.21 # Checking now 08.48.25 # I'm just getting fed up of us having to clean up after him 08.53.16 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.55.48 Quit Ave (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.55.50 Join Ave [0] (i=ave@a91-152-238-56.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 08.56.37 Join Nibbl [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-091-089-240-203.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 08.56.43 Join schNibbler [0] (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-091-089-240-203.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 08.56.51 Quit schNibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.56.56 Join MTee [0] (n=mtee@nat/ibm/x-945e99c79157c007) 08.59.00 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.04.22 Join ali_as [0] (n=ali_as@ambix.plus.com) 09.05.01 Join Vorador [0] (n=tomas@lan-84-240-35-19.vln.skynet.lt) 09.08.27 Join DaCapn [0] (n=dacapn@middy.physik.tu-chemnitz.de) 09.12.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.16.59 Quit ali_as_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.23.04 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1053400fd40c6a3c) 09.25.03 Quit Nico_P (Client Quit) 09.25.25 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-359831e584fd8e9e) 09.33.44 Join d [0] (n=dt@vpn21.witopia.net) 09.34.12 Nick d is now known as Guest98829 (n=dt@vpn21.witopia.net) 09.46.21 Join daurn [0] (n=daurnima@unaffiliated/daurnimator) 09.49.20 Quit sarixe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.10 Quit d-k-t-2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.52.12 Quit unpaidbill (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.53.05 Join Quan-Time [0] (n=792d0010@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-d8e38bf28ac1196a) 09.53.14 # wow, few more ppl than i expected 09.53.17 Quit Nibbl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.55.22 # Quan-Time: but not many active right now :) 09.55.35 # gotcha ;) 09.56.38 # which player do you have? 09.57.41 # iriver H10-20gb 09.57.50 # playin around with rbox now... 09.57.54 # been a while since i updated it.. 09.57.59 # I hope you like it 09.58.00 # the themes seem to be a bit screwy.. 09.58.24 # some themes requirer special rockbox builds 09.58.33 # go to change theme, and it goes to some generic screen, and WONT put the full theme on for some reason. ohh.. gotcha 09.58.40 # and the formwat of the file changes from time to time 09.58.56 # (damn typos) 09.59.26 # its bascially only changing the font,, blue background, nothing really changes cept the font.. sorta annoying really 09.59.32 # best way to fix it ? 09.59.36 # wipe, start again ? 10.00.27 # look at r17759 and r17763 to see how to fix the WPS that are broken 10.00.57 # cheers 10.01.30 # as in build ? 10.01.38 # or help / FAQ / wiki ? 10.02.53 # Isn't there also a forum thread discussing the changes? 10.03.17 # that revision numbers.. there is a wiki, but the revision numbers are the easiest.. linuxstb, there is? 10.05.54 # linuxstb, you are right.. i did not know that 10.09.15 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@245-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 10.09.15 # bah, ill make my own theme.. 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It exists solely in preparation for suspend mode (on G1 + G2) 11.58.46 # amiconn, so we can disable that function for now to save some binsize, or am I being too pedantic? :) 12.02.03 # binsize is only really important for the archoses, right? 12.06.43 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-165-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 12.08.56 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@athedsl-116721.home.otenet.gr) 12.09.39 Quit maffe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.10.28 # bertrik: depends who you ask... but yes 12.11.09 # I'd say it also depends on whether other low mem target ports take off 12.12.31 # ports like ifp7xx perhaps? 12.13.20 # i don' think we should hold our breaths for that one... 12.13.23 # That one's more or less abandoned. 12.13.43 # But the Sansa Clip, for example, has a ridiculously small amount of RAM. 12.13.56 # And it's not unbelievable to think other future flash players might at least be limited to fairly small amounts. 12.14.07 # oh, how much does it have? 12.14.16 # 384 Kb IIRC. 12.14.26 # Er KB 12.14.28 # does the clip have a colour screen? 12.14.36 # no, it's 2-bit or something 12.14.56 # IIRC 1 line yellow and 2 lines blue 12.15.02 # what kind of core does it have? 12.15.02 # Yeah, it's a strange screen. 12.15.10 # preglow: One of the Sansa V2 AMS ones. 12.15.16 # weird 12.15.37 # i don't know how much i'd put into porting to one of those targets, really 12.15.43 # rockbox would have to be pretty well modified 12.15.58 # they're a minority, and will be even more so in the future 12.16.00 # I'm expecting flash targets in the 1MB-2MB RAM range to be not uncommon though 12.16.36 # even the audio buffer takes up much of that 12.16.46 # No need for an audio buffer on flash though 12.17.01 # perhaps we could slice it down thoroughly if mike stuff preemption in the kernel, though... 12.17.06 # Llorean: pcm buffer, i meant 12.17.07 # Or at least, not beyond what the codec's working on. 12.17.25 # Llorean: plus, buffering would have to be modified a good deal to read directly from flash 12.17.38 # preglow: Yeah. 12.17.42 # It's not an immediate concern anyway. 12.17.59 # But it's a reason why we shouldn't just assume we can let the core binary explode for swcodec. 12.18.12 # oh, i don't think we should anyway 12.18.15 # Easier to be reasonable and careful now than try to crowbar it into a lowRAM target later. 12.18.17 Quit K4rP4D (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.18.34 # i disagree.... those targets will need slimming down anyway so why hold back other targets? 12.18.54 # hold back how? 12.18.59 # JdGordon: There's no guarantee they'd need slimming down. 12.18.59 # how are we currently holding anything back? 12.19.11 # And I'm talking about an upper bound that's probably 1MB for the core binary. 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15.59.45 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7B25.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.00.00 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.00.20 Join lacrstech [0] (n=lacrstec@206.251.250.219) 16.00.21 Join viocizgd [0] (n=viocizgd@209.216.196.2) 16.00.32 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7B25.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.00.37 Join dedebkgrn [0] (n=dedebkgr@206.251.250.217) 16.00.47 Join bbtspsks [0] (n=bbtspsks@206.251.250.221) 16.02.40 Quit culture (Connection timed out) 16.04.11 Quit miepchen^schlaf (Client Quit) 16.06.52 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7B25.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.07.43 Join PaulJam [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3150.gwdg.de) 16.09.18 # Llorean: hehe, I had forgotten about that. yes :) 16.12.25 # Is the album art a part of the song data itself for mp3 files? 16.12.42 # or is it a separate file? 16.12.44 # kushal_12_27_200: no, it's a separate file 16.13.16 # kushal_12_27_200: Rockbox doesn't support embedded album art. 16.13.17 # so we cannot have album art as a part of the tags, right 16.13.59 # any plans to include support in the future? seems like a cool thing to have 16.15.10 # kushal_12_27_200: it's something we'd like to implement, but so far noone has started the work 16.17.06 # Nico_P: I thought there was still some opposition to jpeg-in-the-core? 16.21.45 # Llorean: there is? I thought the general opinion was that it was desirable 16.22.07 # * linuxstb thought the same 16.22.20 # * GodEater thought so too 16.22.50 # * LambdaCalculus37 thought so as well 16.22.56 # * linuxstb waits for the naysayers 16.24.08 # Would it be possible/useful to implement as a sort of codec, perhaps? 16.24.10 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@dyndsl-085-016-161-066.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 16.24.56 # Vastly more complex, of course... 16.25.00 Join PaulJam_ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3009.gwdg.de) 16.26.49 Quit miepchen^schlaf () 16.27.37 # is it just mp3s (and therefore I suppose just id3 tags) which allow for embedded AA, or can it be done with vorbis comments, ape tags etc. too ? 16.27.40 Join Arathis [0] (n=doerk@p508A3AA7.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.27.55 # also, is it *always* a jpeg, or are there pngs these days too ? 16.28.04 # in which case, rasher's idea makes a lot of sense 16.28.13 # GodEater: Besides MP3s, I belive AAC and WMA also allow for embedded AA. 16.28.31 # * GodEater has no idea what sort of tags those use 16.28.32 # I would expect all formats allow it... 16.28.45 # it can also be PNG or BMP AFAIK 16.28.53 # or any other stuff 16.28.56 # so the "codec" idea isn't entirely insane anyway then 16.29.10 # indeed it is not 16.29.23 # * GodEater applauds rasher's great insight 16.29.50 Quit AndyI () 16.30.39 # We already have a bmp loader though, so is it worth building a codec infrastructure for 2 image formats? 16.31.33 # well presumably it would allow for other formats in future? 16.31.50 # such as? 16.31.59 # unknown at this time? :) 16.32.06 # ;) 16.32.20 # 16.32.29 # gif ? :) 16.32.29 # svg... 16.32.30 Join miepchen^schlaf [0] (n=miepchen@p54BF7B25.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.32.39 # PNG, I suppose. But the complexity might not be worth it 16.32.51 # PNG was already mentioned 16.33.25 # But IMO, I think someone just needs to implement it in the core first, and then we decide if it's worthwhile splitting it out... 16.33.55 # Using PNG for album art is bizarre anyway 16.33.58 Join DJF5 [0] (n=DJF5@84-105-201-37.cable.quicknet.nl) 16.34.01 # I don't see anyone showing interest in it though. 16.34.23 # Interest in having it done, or doing it? 16.34.42 # in doing it - that's all that matters... 16.35.19 # Ah, I thought you might have been saying that it wasn't something people wanted anyway 16.35.30 # I think it's pretty clear people do want it 16.35.35 # No, I know it's often requested. 16.35.37 # it's just not on anyone's todo list right now 16.36.22 # jpeg in the core + bmp resizing to handle it is going to be a pretty big bin hit... 16.37.39 # umm.. wouldnt embedded AA be a massive ram waste? if your playing an album, the same image will be loaded a dozen times? 16.37.39 Join omerta [0] (n=omerta@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) 16.37.40 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.39.05 # JdGordon: that's already the case actually 16.39.10 # JdGordon: I don't know your definition of massive, but a 100x100 truecolor bitmap isn't *that* huge compared to a couple minutes compressed music 16.39.41 # Nico_P: oh ok then... that should be changed also :p 16.39.49 # I agree 16.42.10 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.42.55 # I have plans of doing it by allowing multiple bufopens and bufcloses on a handle by keeping a ref count 16.43.04 Join saratoga [0] (n=9803c6dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-7924a93c3f0492cf) 16.44.19 # the problem I saw with that was with a single track playlist... the buffer filled up with ID3 data 16.44.44 Quit omerta ("used jmIrc") 16.44.44 # (repeat was on) 16.46.46 # thats not really a problem though, assuming it worked and that was the only side effect 16.48.16 # what happens though when you have a track multiple times in the playlist (with some tracks between them), couldnt that cause fragmentation if the file stays in the buffer? 16.50.22 # yeah that's another potential issue I haven't spent much time investigating yet 16.51.15 # there could be some fragmentation, but it would be avoidable with a bit of moving 16.51.50 Quit kushal_12_27_200 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.52.04 # I decided it was better not to rush it because the waste isn't very significant 16.55.13 # gnite 16.55.16 Nick JdGordon is now known as JdGordon|zzz (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 16.58.36 Quit DaCapn () 17.00.16 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.03.41 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c96acb3cd7a6e609) 17.04.30 Join xqtftqx [0] (i=40e9e3d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e0b068bc499b0332) 17.04.38 # could someone have a look at this compilation error I'm getting with wince-arm: http://pastebin.com/m37d4b1cf 17.05.09 # Did you use any patches? 17.05.52 # it seems to choke on things like "extern void ata_spindown(int seconds);" 17.06.01 # can you answer my question? 17.06.27 # xqtftqx: Yes, he's using lots of (his own) patches... 17.06.55 # what changes? and why is it in current? shouldn't it be trunk? 17.07.14 # or did you just rename it? 17.07.34 # i'm guessing I haven't setup something right in the makefile or compiler since the lines it has trouble with are valid c 17.07.46 # xqtftqx: "current" is a folder on my hard drive 17.07.47 # ok... 17.07.51 # its not related to rockbox 17.08.12 # saratoga: I remember someone else having a similar problem, but can't remember the details... (the first error - ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF) 17.13.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.13.09 Nick Bensawsome is now known as WAFFLEMAN (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 17.13.18 Nick WAFFLEMAN is now known as Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 17.13.32 # saratoga: I found it in the IRC logs on 12th May and 18th May - people get that error trying to compile checkwps in cygwin. I don't think anyone fixed it, but it seems to be related to missing include files. 17.15.37 Nick Bensawsome is now known as MacOSX (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 17.15.45 Nick MacOSX is now known as Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 17.16.49 Quit MethoS- (Remote closed the connection) 17.16.50 # where is ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF defined? 17.18.38 # Nico_P: its in /firmware/include/_ansi.h 17.18.49 # i think its a standard macro 17.22.05 # saratoga: is GNUC defined in your environment? 17.22.47 # Nico_P: that would be a makefile option? 17.23.08 # I guess... have you looked at the result from the preprocessor? 17.23.39 # how would I do that? 17.23.44 # i'm not familar with gcc 17.24.31 # Nico_P: Do you mean __GNUC__ ? 17.24.53 # linuxstb: yes, that's what I meant 17.25.38 Join maffe [0] (n=Miranda@p5B041AE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.25.44 # saratoga: I would add a "#warning" line anywhere in _ansi.h - to make sure it's being included. And then, as Nico_P suggested, check __GNUC__ is defined, by moving your #warning into the #ifdef __GNUC__ section 17.25.57 # oh ok 17.26.26 # linuxstb: isn't there a compiler switch to keep preprocessed files around? 17.26.28 Join n9xvt [0] (n=187be7e0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/labb.contactor.se/x-8a1e080a47b05ed0) 17.27.15 # Nico_P: Probably, but that gets messy. I prefer to use use #warning, if I'm checking for something specific. 17.27.41 Quit maffe (Client Quit) 17.28.36 # linuxstb, Nico_P: yes _ansi is being included, and __GNUC__ is defined 17.29.15 # any sansa users? 17.29.26 # c series 17.29.31 # n9xvt: You will be better off just asking your question. 17.29.47 # saratoga: Then I'm stuck... 17.29.48 # inacurate clock issues 17.30.19 # i should probably go check out the cegcc mailing list and see if they have any idea 17.30.46 # saratoga: could you check wheter ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF is defined? 17.32.24 # n9xvt: that's still not a question... 17.33.01 # n9xvt: And "c series" covers a variety of devices... 17.33.07 # is there a # command to abort compiling ? it would make digging through this easier 17.33.14 # #error 17.33.20 # i think I saw him ask in the logs before about the clock on his sansa losing time 17.33.23 # thanks 17.34.54 # n9xvt: c200 series, or c100 series? 17.35.59 Quit xqtftqx ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.39.34 # Nico_P: ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF is defined by the end of _ansi.h, but its not defined in io.c, which is odd since io.c includes debug.h which includes _ansi.h 17.40.27 # c240 17.41.05 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.41.17 Join Nico_P [0] (i=53915df2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9d1be81c4415d0bf) 17.41.45 # * bertrik has a c240 for a week now and did not notice any clock anomalies 17.41.48 # saratoga: what about in debug.h? 17.42.06 # n9xvt, how bad is it? 17.42.19 # is a six month old rig,,loses time and date over night/ thru the day,,tommorow brings about an 8 hr run to check run time and will keep eye on clock,, 17.42.39 # loses days and years,, 17.43.06 # Do you use the Sansa firmware, or just Rockbox? 17.43.16 # n9xvt, does it drift excessively or does time become corrupted? 17.43.41 Quit Strogg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.43.42 Join unpaidbill [0] (i=bill@420nugs.info) 17.44.02 Join Strogg [0] (n=jean@76.10.145.36) 17.44.29 # i guessing corrupted,,becouse it comes up random time and date,, 17.45.49 # n9xvt: this only happens with rockbox? 17.46.18 # clock wasnt an option with sansa,,? 17.46.27 # * LambdaCalculus37 has made some updates to the Spanish language file; see FS#9199 17.47.52 Quit Nico_P ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 17.47.57 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 17.49.57 Quit Strogg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.49.57 Join DaCapn_ [0] (n=dacapn@nemo.csn.tu-chemnitz.de) 17.50.36 Join Strogg [0] (n=jean@76.10.145.36) 17.50.37 Join jgarvey [0] (n=jgarvey@cpe-098-026-069-229.nc.res.rr.com) 17.51.31 Join borges [0] (n=bruges@brln-4d0c36c6.pool.mediaWays.net) 17.52.15 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 17.52.33 # dont use sansa firmware,,(only when connects and charges) 17.54.10 # n9xvt, the e200 series has a clock both in the original firmware and in rockbox. The c200 does not show time in the original firmware (I couldn't find it) but the real-time-clock chip is nearly identical to the e200 one. So the clock should work. 17.54.16 # mcuelenaere: you here? 17.55.02 Nick DaCapn_ is now known as DaCapn (n=dacapn@nemo.csn.tu-chemnitz.de) 17.55.21 # Nico_P: ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF gets defined in the previous c file's compilation, then imported into io.c. however, because its already defined, the macro protecting that file prevents it from being redefined when imported in io.c 17.55.40 # it is defined in debug.h the first time, but does not end up defined in io.c 17.56.09 # i'm sort of puzzled why, since I would expect that if it fails the #ifndef DEBUG_H #define DEBUG_H block, then it should already bve defined 17.56.30 # i have had to reset mine daily,yesterday the date was in november 2028 and this morning it was dec of 03 and time off by 12+hrs? 17.56.49 # wpyh: i meant to tell you last night that you probably should precompute a look up table of sqrt values rather then compute them inline if they're actually a bottleneck for your code 17.57.27 # saratoga: like, look it up then approximate using the newton method? 17.57.30 # I'll try that 17.57.37 # * wpyh has to test the code first 17.57.39 # thanks :) 17.57.56 # n9xvt, there is a small battery in my sansa c240, I think this powers the RTC. Maybe if it gets low, the time starts acting weird. 17.58.54 # wpyh: unless you need a lot of values, you can probably compute them all or enough that nearest neighbor interpolation is enough 17.59.06 # otherwise i would use linear interpolation between values 17.59.35 # this is going to be an order of magnitude faster then trying to compute the exact value 18.00.04 # I don't think I need the exact values 18.00.18 # since the original implementation is inaccurate anyway 18.00.39 # wpyh: what are you working on? 18.00.53 Join Nico_P [50] (n=nicolas@rockbox/developer/NicoP) 18.02.02 # markun: I'm working on the bubbles plugin 18.02.05 # it's dead slow 18.02.16 # it isnt that bad... 18.02.18 # i wouldnt think it was low, (only 3 months old),,i'll havta keep an eye on it,,doesn't appear to be a big issue,,(searching turns up nothing),,maybe i should update the firmware? 18.02.27 # scorche: on the ipod video, it is... 18.02.34 # everything is 18.03.16 # n9xvt, I think it's a hardware problem, so updating the firmware probably won't help 18.03.37 # aright,, 18.04.01 # scorche: well, maze isn't... 18.04.19 # wpyh, if you're comparing distances or something, you can also do that with squared values and you might not need a sqrt 18.05.03 # bertrik: thanks 18.05.05 # * wpyh is stupid 18.05.16 # * wpyh should try to think out of the box next time 18.05.33 # for example sqrt(x*x + y*y) > d is equivalent to x*x+y*y > d*d 18.05.40 # yeah 18.06.12 # it's this equation: http://geometryalgorithms.com/Archive/algorithm_0102/Eqn_dcross2.gif 18.06.45 # wpyh: yes 18.06.46 # I can avoid the square root, but I have to do an extra multiplication 18.06.50 Join EspeonEefi [0] (i=espeonee@30-7-18.wireless.csail.mit.edu) 18.06.58 # mcuelenaere: I want to ask some things about the vx747 18.07.04 # let's chat on -community, shall we? 18.07.22 # go ahead 18.08.47 # bertrik: however, I think it's better to multiply more than to use the square root :p 18.08.52 # (inverse square root) 18.09.36 Join Guest3960 [0] (n=mail@host217-42-244-151.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 18.09.42 # hey any one help me 18.09.44 # ? 18.09.48 Nick Guest3960 is now known as sufian (n=mail@host217-42-244-151.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 18.09.56 # Ask your question. 18.10.13 # that equation doesn't really ring a bell, are you interested in the absolute value too, or just the sign? 18.10.46 # wpyh, this is perhaps more appropriate for -community 18.11.21 # bertrik: it's for the bubbles plugin... 18.11.53 # I just need to check whether the trajectory of the bubble comes close to another bubble (of radius R) 18.12.05 # if it does, then I can say that they collide 18.12.27 Join [CBR]Unspoken|w [0] (n=cbr@212.98.160.130) 18.12.33 # wpyh: that's juste the distance between a point at (x,y) and a line passing through (x0,y0) and (x1,y1), isn't it? 18.12.45 # (the formula you lined to) 18.13.07 # Nico_P: yes 18.13.24 Quit CyBergRind|w (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.13.27 # one point would be the wall, the other point would be the pointer/aimer or another wall 18.14.31 # polar coordinates mught be better suited 18.14.46 # you know the trajectory vector, don't you? 18.14.58 # Nico_P: yes, I do 18.15.50 # but with polar coordinates, we still have to get the distance (from the target bubble to the starting point of the moving bubble) 18.18.09 # yeah, maybe not very useful 18.18.17 # yeah 18.18.27 # wpyh: have you looked at the current implementation? 18.18.34 # Nico_P: yes 18.18.38 # skimmed through it 18.18.45 # how does it work? 18.18.53 # basically it checks for a collission in every step 18.18.55 # which is slow 18.18.59 Quit sufian () 18.19.29 # move the bubble one step, check for collission, move the bubble one step, and so on... 18.19.30 # alright 18.24.02 # you could also use angles, but that would require trig computations, so proably slower 18.24.17 # yeah, it would probably slower 18.24.35 # Nico_P: with the angles, wouldn't we also need the distance? 18.24.40 # what I'm trying to do now is: 18.24.47 # 1. divide the board into hexagonal cells 18.24.57 # this is because a bubble can only stay in one cell 18.25.08 # wpyh: all you'd need is the distance between the origin and the center of the bubble you want to check 18.25.33 # then when a bubble is shot, or bounces off a wall, find all the cells that it will pass though, plus neighbouring cells 18.25.47 # then for each such occupied cell, check the distance 18.26.01 # which means check for collisions 18.26.10 # then after we have determined that, just display 18.26.15 # how big would the cells be? 18.26.17 # so we don't mix up display and computation 18.26.26 # I haven't decided yet 18.26.43 # one thing is, that the cell size is independent of display size 18.26.55 # computation done in the background, foreground only does displaying 18.27.02 # this should smooth out the movements 18.27.21 # separate threads? 18.28.06 # no 18.28.10 # and this is the problem 18.28.19 # it will be calculated at each bounce 18.28.38 # so the real worry is at the starting point of each path 18.28.47 # when the fate of the bubble is being calculated 18.29.01 # if there are no separate threads, I don't see why you're making a distinction between fg and bg 18.29.46 # Nico_P: yeah, shouldn't differ 18.29.59 # so the line is drawn not between fg and bg 18.30.06 # but between computation and display 18.31.03 # yes. the "issue" here might be responsiveness while the computation is done 18.31.19 # yes 18.31.31 Quit Genre9mp3 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.31.40 # btw, are you sure it's the iterative collision checking that is slow? 18.31.50 # Nico_P: no... I'm not sure 18.31.50 # i.e. not just a bad animation? 18.32.03 # I think it's the combination of collision checking and slow lcd rendering 18.32.21 Join Mathiasdm [0] (n=Mathias@vpnf201.ugent.be) 18.32.29 # I'd try to confirm this before making changes 18.33.11 # always find the bottleneck (scientifically) before starting to optimise 18.33.37 Join gregzx [0] (n=chatzill@dtp67.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 18.33.41 # I've commented out the if block surrounding sleep() and yield() (for framerate limiting) and the result is the game runs faster 18.33.47 # Nico_P: I'll do that 18.34.41 # seems, I remember correctly that bubbles has a MAX_FPS define for each screen... tried playing around with that? 18.35.42 # pixelma: yes, it has one, but I completely bypassed it by commenting out the if block (around line 1620) 18.35.58 # the game runs faster now, but not much 18.38.46 Quit mf0102 ("Ex-Chat") 18.39.54 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.41.19 Join rotator [0] (n=c058d42c@rockbox/developer/rotator) 18.44.00 Quit rotator (Client Quit) 18.53.59 Join bluebrother [0] (n=Dom@f053152240.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.55.12 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.160) 18.58.49 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.03.56 Join domonoky [0] (n=Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 19.03.59 Join swears [0] (n=nnscript@ool-4356d08b.dyn.optonline.net) 19.06.51 # Is their a way to remove the "delay" when changing tracks using rockbox? 19.07.43 # turn on crossfade,, 19.07.54 # I think it is on 19.08.02 # on mix mode 19.08.21 # but I've tried both 19.08.34 # that improved mine anyway,,it isint quite instant,, 19.08.44 # yeah 19.08.57 # I see the next track displayed, before I hear it 19.09.35 # yeah,,like theres a slight gap until it feeds it into the crossfader,, 19.10.32 # Best I can get is 3 seconds 19.10.39 # to get to the next track 19.10.55 Join neddy [0] (n=john@nat/sun/x-6e8a22240b7825a4) 19.11.28 # about that,,yeah its beyond me now,, 19.13.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.13.19 # Is their a difference between "mix" and "crossfade" 19.13.21 # I can't tell. 19.13.51 # hmmm 19.15.23 # I'd like to know the settings MediaMonkey uses, since they have a pretty good crossfade system. 19.15.35 # i dont find the mix mode in mi sansa?,, 19.15.44 # oh.. 19.15.49 # I'm using gigabeat S 19.16.05 # this clock makes kno sense,,ramdomly messin up,, 19.16.10 # lol 19.16.22 # Mine, gets reset too 19.17.06 # Mix option is in "playback settings" => "Crossfade" => "Fade-Out Mode" 19.17.11 # yeah,,just seems to be random wen it does it and to random times 19.17.31 Join MethoS_ [0] (n=clemens@91.97.240.43) 19.18.22 # at least i'm not only one having time issues! lol 19.20.57 # doesnt apper on the sansa,,only seems to allow on and off 19.21.36 # hmm 19.21.46 # have you been able to get you album art to display properly? 19.22.38 # n9xvt: the option is there on the c200s as well 19.23.10 Quit neddy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.24.21 # swears: what problem did you have with album art and what did you read ? 19.24.50 # Well, I've adjusted my .wps files with the %C1 and %C commands at the ends 19.25.21 # I've transferred all my album art in .bmp format 160*120 19.25.34 # into the album folder with the album name 19.25.47 # [albumname].bmp 19.26.11 # my screen size is 320*240 19.26.26 # and I just ran the Demo "pictureflow" 19.26.30 # and it loaded all my album art fine 19.27.14 Quit GodEater ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 19.27.53 # not sure if that is just a typo now but it should be %Cl (lower case L, not a 1) 19.28.09 # yeah it is actually 19.28.14 # i copied and pasted from the wiki 19.28.20 # when I edited them 19.28.54 Quit MethoS_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.29.51 # and did you try with the default theme (cabbiev2)? Trying to figure out whether the WPS is the problem or something else. 19.30.26 # oh crap 19.30.30 # it just worked when I rebooted 19.30.31 # =) 19.30.54 Quit MethoS- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.31.05 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 19.31.36 # Seems that is the only theme though 19.31.44 # will need to investigate .wps files further 19.32.19 # LambdaCalculus37: around? 19.33.24 Quit Mathiasdm ("Invisible Internet Project: http://www.i2p2.de") 19.34.44 # mcuelenaere: Yo! 19.35.03 Join GodEater [0] (n=uwish@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.36.06 # LambdaCalculus37: had a chance to test FS#9006? 19.36.30 # mcuelenaere: Yes, last night. 19.37.01 # did it work? 19.37.02 # I'm still getting "upgrade to GNU make 3.81+" messages, but the elf errors aren't occuring anymore. 19.37.13 # good, then I'll commit it 19.37.54 # can you close that FS? 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I haven't even got commit access. 19.38.46 # ok then, can anybody close FS#9006? 19.38.49 # * LambdaCalculus37 looks to see who can close FS entries 19.38.53 # mcuelenaere: will do. 19.39.01 # bluebrother: thanks 19.43.07 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 19.45.40 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@pool-71-187-1-26.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 19.46.44 Join tessarakt [0] (n=jens@e180074138.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.50.33 Quit n9xvt ("CGI:IRC") 19.50.51 Nick borges is now known as borges|afk (n=bruges@brln-4d0c36c6.pool.mediaWays.net) 19.52.40 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 19.54.43 Quit GodEater () 19.59.08 Nick borges|afk is now known as borges (n=bruges@brln-4d0c36c6.pool.mediaWays.net) 20.02.25 Join borges_ [0] (n=bruges@e178007238.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.02.48 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 20.02.49 # mcuelenaere: I'm not exactly in a position to preach, but your commit messages could be a little more descriptive.. "Fix the LCD bug" could at least be "Fix the _Onda_ LCD bug" :p 20.03.04 # and don't forget svn propset... 20.04.39 # shotofadds: ok, you're right; I could've been a bit too enthousiastic :) 20.04.59 # svn propset what? 20.05.40 # mcuelenaere: See the "UsingSVN" wiki page 20.06.03 # (adding new files) 20.06.03 # I meant: what properties need to be set on what files? What files are you referring to? 20.06.45 # hmm I suppose you're talking about the svn:keywords? 20.07.18 # yeah, the keywords property replaces the $Id$ comment with something readable :) 20.07.31 # * linuxstb can read $Id$ just fine 20.07.55 # shotofadds: ok, it'll be included in my next commit 20.10.10 # * bluebrother thinks it's a good idea to simply consider commit messages as "the window to the public", i.e. users will read it ... and other devs ;-) 20.10.43 # * shotofadds impressed with the speed things are going on the Onda. Hopefuly some touchscreen goodness will come out of all this, too... 20.10.49 # well if you look more closely, you'll see that only mips/onda-specific files are touched 20.11.15 # now if someone can tell me why my m200 doesn't appear as unknown usb device when in usb boot mode ... 20.12.00 Join d-k-t-2 [0] (n=dt@vpn21.witopia.net) 20.13.13 # linuxstb: was it you who wrote sansapatcher? 20.13.38 # I'm looking for a way to figure if the bootloader is already installed (for rbutil) 20.14.55 # (for the logs): some possibly on-topic chat in #rockbox-community: http://pastebin.com/f22c38770 20.18.33 Join mib_ewsv9t [0] (i=5315a470@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9f3d1719b8b16860) 20.19.02 Join GodEater [0] (n=uwish@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 20.20.33 Quit mib_ewsv9t (Client Quit) 20.21.09 Quit borges (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.23.22 Part saratoga 20.23.23 Quit borges_ ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 20.23.36 Quit Lambduh (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.24.03 # pixelma, looks like none of the themes found here: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 20.24.06 # Are working correctly 20.24.16 Quit DJF5 () 20.24.23 Join Plouj [0] (n=Plouj@red.cs.yorku.ca) 20.24.24 # hi 20.24.32 # swears: that is expected. This theme site hasn't been updated since the wps syntax changed. 20.24.36 # They show the backdrop correctly, but when in "now playing" mode it's totally different 20.24.40 # oh =( 20.24.49 # what new (2008-2006) players does rockbox support? 20.25.05 # I'm looking for something that might still be available in big box stores and not refurbished 20.25.05 # No players currently on the market. 20.25.40 # :( 20.25.45 # bluebrother: are you familiar with any other theme site that had the updated syntax? 20.25.52 # or is their any way of converting? 20.25.57 # are there any free/opensource firmwares that support any of the currently on the market players? 20.26.02 # Nope. 20.26.06 # Plouj: check the BuyersGuide wiki page 20.26.10 # swears: nope. 20.26.20 # hmm, so I'm outta luck 20.27.09 Join Nibbl [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 20.27.24 # ebay... 20.28.02 # :( 20.28.14 # swears: search the forums a bit, there are threads about the syntax change 20.28.23 # ok 20.28.43 # swears: there was a script around to fix themes, at least some stuff that was changed recently. See FS#9027 20.29.05 Join Lambduh [0] (n=Lambda@64.6.88.58) 20.29.39 # fs = forum search? 20.30.04 # no, FS = the flyspray task 20.30.07 Quit Nibbl (Remote closed the connection) 20.30.11 # no, the flyspray patch tracker 20.30.55 # err 20.31.04 # ok i'll just google that 20.31.20 # we have a link on the right hand side of all rockbox.org pages called "patches" 20.31.27 # just enter the number in that "Flyspray #" box on the left side menu ... 20.31.46 Join herrwaldo [0] (n=waldo@ip-81-11-223-193.dsl.scarlet.be) 20.31.56 Join Nibbl [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 20.32.05 # ok will do 20.33.06 Quit d-k-t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.34.04 # So, It's showing me some code there. 20.34.09 # Am I supposed to compile that? 20.37.36 # no, it's a perl script. You need a perl interpreter to run that. 20.38.49 # (referring to convertpb.pl) 20.46.00 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@pool-71-187-1-26.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 20.57.56 Quit Nibbl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.58.53 Join SirFunk_ [0] (n=Sir@206-159-155-246.netsync.net) 21.00.20 Part Plouj ("dang it") 21.02.25 # http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/7/16/f_Afbeelding0m_e0c26a3.jpg 21.03.13 # hm? 21.03.48 # mcuelenaere: beautiful.. is that drawn with the touchscreen? 21.03.57 # yes :) 21.04.20 # video is coming.. 21.04.20 # what's the junk at the bottom? 21.04.24 # it's some text 21.04.31 # BUTTON_POWER to be more specifc 21.04.34 # specific* 21.04.55 Quit ompaul (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.05.25 Join ompaul [0] (n=ompaul@gnewsense/friend/ompaul) 21.05.30 # colors change depending on the location where you draw.. 21.05.44 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.06.05 # " Is their a way to remove the "delay" when changing tracks using rockbox?" => buffered track changes should be instantaneous. are you thinking of unbuffered track changes? 21.06.21 Join petur [50] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.06.29 Join Nibbl [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 21.07.12 # mcuelenaere: is that the Onda? 21.07.19 # yep :) 21.07.26 # nice :) 21.09.30 # mcuelenaere: make it into a plugin :) 21.09.49 # Nico_P: :P isn't the paint plugin something similar? 21.10.04 # true, but is it touch enabled? 21.10.13 # * Nico_P needs one of those touch targets 21.10.14 # I think so? 21.10.31 # video is online! http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/7/16/f_Afbeelding0m_e0c26a3.jpg 21.10.34 # woops 21.10.39 # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chOxNykvM24 21.13.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.14.07 Quit DaCapn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.18.11 # mcuelenaere: that's a mini-usb plug, right? 21.19.17 # mcuelenaere: So... what was the actual lcd bug on the Onda? 21.20.28 # * LambdaCalculus37 watches 21.20.37 # mcuelenaere: Excellent! Great job! :) 21.22.46 Quit SirFunk (No route to host) 21.24.41 Join maddlah [0] (n=maddler@217-133-171-22.b2b.tiscali.it) 21.24.48 Quit maddlah (Remote closed the connection) 21.26.20 Quit bertrik (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.28.25 Quit Nibbl (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.30.37 Join ChristopherW [0] (n=christop@ip70-162-55-91.ph.ph.cox.net) 21.32.16 # shotofadds: right 21.32.59 # amiconn: I did a Instruction Cache-flush while it had to be a Data Cache-flush... 21.33.08 # I imagined the Onda being much bigger for some reason. is it QVGA, or higher? 21.33.19 # 400x240, QVGA-sort of 21.33.31 # yes, it appears to be much bigger on the internet than in RL :) 21.33.49 # the internet makes everything look bigger 21.34.28 # sort-of widescreen QVGA, then.. 21.34.46 # yep, the LCD IC Driver states it's so 21.34.52 # s/it's so/so 21.36.34 # mcuelenaere: Ah, that sort of problem... 21.37.03 # amiconn: yes, and even weirder is that the OF does an flush_icache().. 21.37.19 # well at least, the "sort-of"-bootloader version of it 21.37.33 # so I suspect it's a typo on their side.. 21.37.55 # in Rockbox speak, what is a "quickscreen"? 21.41.09 # I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to call lcd_stop_scroll() from lcd_clear_display(). does anyone here have experience with these functions? 21.41.49 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@rockbox/contributor/Genre9mp3) 21.42.19 # I would think that you would want to stop scrolling lines when you clear the display, but I'm not sure this is the general case 21.43.28 # for reference, I submitted a patch to my own bug (FS#9200) 21.45.27 # Can someone have a look at FS#9199? 21.46.11 Join maffe [0] (n=Miranda@p5B041AE3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.47.47 Join Nibbl [0] (n=Nibbler@91-67-150-33-dynip.superkabel.de) 21.50.25 Nick Bensawsome is now known as WaffleBoy (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 21.52.22 Nick WaffleBoy is now known as root (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 21.52.32 Nick root is now known as Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 21.54.49 # I'm sorry in advance if I don't respond to anyone here about FS#9200. I have to go to work now! (it's my mistake for starting a discussion at this time) :-[ 21.56.41 # Hmm.. shouldn't panicf() clear the backdrop? it's quite hard to read tiny white writing on top of CabbieV2... 21.57.07 Nick Bensawsome is now known as WAFFLELORD (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 21.57.14 # I find the balance setting ambiguous - it should be clear which channel is muted when setting it to +/- 100 % so I don't have to use headphones to verify my loudspeaker setup 21.57.21 Nick WAFFLELORD is now known as Bensawsome (n=Bensawso@c-71-235-222-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) 21.58.10 # I suppose currently there isn't any generic touchscreen calibrating screen and every target handles this in it's own code? 21.58.57 Quit LambdaCalculus37 ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client") 21.59.06 # mcuelenaere: "calibration" is a couple of constants in the D2's case.. 21.59.42 # shotofadds: currently the same in the vx747, but I'm sure this could be improved.. 21.59.59 # doesn't the m:robe have some kind of calibration screen then? 22.00.07 # I recall *some* target having it.. 22.00.20 Quit maffe ("IRC ist obsolet!") 22.00.57 # the m:robe might have had some kind of calibration screen at some point, don't think it does now. 22.01.06 Join PaulJam__ [0] (i=PaulJam_@vpn-3006.gwdg.de) 22.01.07 # the D2 doesn't seem to need it in any case 22.01.38 # ..but it has far more serious issues than that (jitter, and the occasional unexpected movement) 22.02.01 # I'm not sure whether the vx747 needs it, but isn't it possible that these constants differ across the same target? 22.02.51 # maybe, but in that case the OF would need a calibration screen... 22.03.07 # the OF has one (in the vx* at least) 22.04.02 # ah, didn't realise that. there's certainly nothing in the D2 OF (but it does have a pretty neat touchscreen drawing app...) 22.05.38 # * shotofadds wonders why the m200 pretends it's connected in MTP mode if you corrupt the FAT filesystem... 22.05.54 # ..only to re-format the partition when USB is disconnected 22.12.13 Quit GodEater () 22.14.33 Join bertrik [0] (n=bertrik@245-013-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) 22.18.07 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@81-66-107-251.rev.numericable.fr) 22.18.44 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.28.24 Quit massiveH ("Leaving") 22.28.28 Quit midgey () 22.29.53 Quit Vorador ("Ex-Chat") 22.33.02 # bluebrother: Yes, it should be easy to detect a Rockbox bootloader on a Sansa - a Rockbox bootloader .mi4 file has extra magic (the RBBL string) in it. See the code at the end of the is_sansa() function. 22.37.03 # linuxstb: thanks, will do. Will leave now due to rather annoying headache :/ 22.37.15 Quit bluebrother ("back tomorrow") 22.37.38 Join midgey [0] (n=tjross@c-71-205-31-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.42.03 Quit Arathis ("Bye, bye") 22.43.40 # markun: around? 22.43.49 # yes 22.44.48 # Do you know why there isn't Backlight Fade In/out settings on Gigabeat F like on other targets? (iRiver H100/iPod Mini/Nano/5G) 22.45.03 # is it because we can't control the duration of the fade? 22.45.17 # It's because of the craoppy implementation of the fade 22.45.27 # yes, what amiconn says 22.45.43 # ah... so hardware supports it, right? 22.46.15 # yes, there is a LED driver which can set the brightness in 64 steps (I think) 22.46.26 # I see... thanks 22.46.27 # not PWM 22.47.21 # I'd think it's hardware pwm 22.48.09 # perhaps it's implemented that way. You can set the current for each LED. 22.50.33 Join saratoga [0] (i=9803c6dd@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c96acb3cd7a6e609) 22.51.01 # anyone mind if i commit the wma IMDCT optimizations? 22.51.17 # i haven't found any more bugs and I don't think anyone who reads the tracker actually uses WMA 22.52.12 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5B03384F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.55.08 # markun: you are right. Comment found on backlight-meg-fx.c : "/* The SC606 LED driver can set the brightness in 64 steps */ 22.55.32 Quit Bensawsome ("The awsome is gone :(") 22.56.37 # Genre9mp3: Since it has so many steps, it makes sense to use these steps for fade in/out as well. The driver does this, but only in a simple, non-configurable way 22.58.29 # If you make the steps too long it looks really bad when it gets to the lower settings 22.58.33 Quit mirak ("Quitte") 22.59.20 # I wouldn't expect it to look much different from the software pwm fade (which uses 100 steps) 22.59.55 # amiconn: but I don't think many people have their screen on maximal brightness 23.00.10 # so it's less than 64 23.00.10 # What would be a typical brightness? 23.00.26 # let me check the default 23.02.00 # I also have much lower brightness than max. set on my colour targets (even lower than the defaults, which are often 50%) 23.03.41 # the brightness settings on the Gigabeat has 12 steps, I have it on 10 but I'm not sure if that's the default 23.03.46 # amiconn: 31 is the default 23.04.13 # Genre9mp3: yes, it's translated in backlight-meg-fx.c 23.04.55 # markun: Would it be possible to do software pwm then? 23.05.19 # amiconn: the enable of the sc606 is connected to a timer pin even 23.05.34 # but after switching it of and on again the LED's stayed off 23.05.37 # The ipod Video/Nano would be similar. It does its brightness setting using hardware pwm, and the fading is done using software pwm 23.05.39 Quit Mathiasdm ("Yuuw!") 23.05.50 # maybe if you do it for a very short time it remembers the settings 23.05.53 # Works nicely, except at the lowest hardware brightness 23.06.15 # pwm for fading would be ideal 23.07.33 # pin B2 23.07.44 # GPIO B2 I mean 23.10.55 Join davina [0] (n=davina@cpc1-sout6-0-0-cust616.sotn.cable.ntl.com) 23.13.09 Join shot0fadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 23.13.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.13.28 Nick shot0fadds is now known as ghost (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 23.13.44 Quit shotofadds (Nick collision from services.) 23.13.52 Quit ghost (Client Quit) 23.14.13 Join shotofadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 23.14.39 Quit mcuelenaere (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.26.02 Quit gregzx ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]") 23.27.45 Quit tessarakt (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.35.23 Quit ompaul (Client Quit) 23.36.05 # what does the svn:executable property refer to ? 23.36.35 # That the file is an executable program/script 23.38.54 Join massiveH [0] (n=massiveH@pool-71-187-1-26.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) 23.41.42 # is 'svn propdel' the correct way to remove them? 23.43.46 Quit k4y (Nick collision from services.) 23.43.54 Join k4y_ [0] (n=jackass@dsl-243-68-217.telkomadsl.co.za) 23.44.51 Join safetydan [0] (n=evertond@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 23.46.43 # saratoga: Yes (the UsingSVN page says so...) 23.48.08 # Nico_P: How do I know if I am using unbuffered track changes? 23.48.26 Join MethoS- [0] (n=clemens@91.97.241.54) 23.49.02 # swears: "using"? unbuffered track changes are the ones that are slow, and there is a good reason 23.49.29 # ... 23.50.25 Join MarcGuay [0] (n=chatzill@ip216-239-77-30.vif.net) 23.50.58 # the disk has to spin, so a delay is expected... dircache can help 23.51.32 Quit sitwon ("Leaving") 23.52.40 # swears: have I confused you? 23.53.12 # Nico_P: which disk on flash targets ;) 23.53.30 # +spins 23.53.55 # pixelma: hehe, true, but IIRC swears has a gigabeat S :) 23.54.09 # No, just looking for dircache setting 23.54.24 # btw, I've started writing an implementation of the buffering API that reads data directly from flash 23.54.36 # I've found a "Load to RAM" setting 23.54.41 # will that help? 23.56.52 # Ok, Nevermind 23.57.00 # I've found the dircache setting 23.57.09 # but it doesn't seem to do anything, even after reboot 23.57.15 # still take 3 seconds to hear new track 23.57.53 Join shot0fadds [0] (n=rob@rockbox/developer/shotofadds) 23.58.11 # even if I hit next while the disk is spinning, there is a delay 23.58.21 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.58.30 # swears: some buffering has to take place 23.58.34 # Dircache can't speed up skipping, as skipping to an unbuffered track needs to read the actual file data 23.58.35 # the RAM isn't unlimited 23.58.56 # amiconn: it does speed it up a bit I think