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Subject: Re: Forum vs. Mailinglist
From: roland (for_spam_at_gmx.de)
Date: 2003-07-18


hi Tom,

you shouldn`t think that negative.
>There seems to be no interest in making Rockbox more user friendly and availible to the masses.
I think, that`s not true! moreover, it`s a matter of time and a matter of help from people "pushing" such things. I think it`s NOT a
matter of the fact, that rockboxer`s wanna be "geeks" and do an application just for their own "pride". Did you notice that many
open source projects suffer from being badly documented - especially if development goes on very quickly ?

>Information is hard to find and made difficult for 'Microsoft lamers'
it`s not a problem of rockbox but a problem which lies in the nature of complex applications, imho.
I don`t think that a forum will solve this problem easily. I don`t hate web-based forums - but I can understand most people here,
who favour a mailing-list and newsgroup.

but, nevertheless - i think it`s time to spend some thoughts about better forms of "knowledge management". traffic on the
mailinglist raises from month to month - and even for the developer it`s difficult to follow all the threads and being "up to date"
about all that "new stuff" or all the changes. A first step to make things better could be implementing a better search-option for
the mailing list itself. using google for that is just a "quick hack". Feel free to add advanced search to the mailing list archive.
have some fast server? know some ht:/dig? welcome - it`s your job ;)

BTW: What about splitting "rockbox"-ML into "rockbox-devel" and "rockbox-users" ?
BTW/2: renaming the IRC link to "Chat" and describing what irc IS and how to use that could help some less advanced users,too.
perhaps splitting the "rockbox" discussion channel into "users" and "developers" could be done, if traffic gets too high, too.

regards
roland

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Sustins" <tom.sustins_at_bbc.co.uk>
To: <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: Forum vs. Mailinglist

> The problem with this is that there seems to be a love of changing subject lines on this mailing list and no hard rules, plus
every member seems to like his/her own method of formatting their reply which makes for extremely hard reading.
>
> It is a shame, but it seems that the majority of this 'community' are against a forum. It appears to me that Rockbox will firmly
remain a developer/'geek' application. There seems to be no interest in making Rockbox more user friendly and availible to the
masses. Information is hard to find and made difficult for 'Microsoft lamers' (whatever the hell that means).
>
> But still, it's free and no one earns/pays money... So who are we to complain? I think Archos should be worried.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Vromans [mailto:jvromans_at_squirrel.nl]
> Sent: 17 July 2003 18:11
> To: rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se
> Subject: Re: Forum vs. Mailinglist
>
>
> "Tom Sustins" <tom.sustins_at_bbc.co.uk> writes:
>
> > I support this 200%
> > Mailing lists suck
>
> Decent mail programs can put all messages from a given origin (e.g.
> rockbox) in a separate folder, and sort them by thread. Voilą, your forum.
>
> -- Johan
>
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