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Subject: Re: Hd failure on recorder 20
From: roland (for_spam_at_gmx.de)
Date: 2003-11-30


hi!
> 1) Firstly : I assume when I replace the batteries, I'll have to charge them
> before, and place it into the JB BEFORE charging. Am I right ?
yes - to make sure it`s NOT the batteries or some charging-circuit problem, you
should use fresh ones and charge them externally.

>The led indicated the batteries were full.
which led do you mean? i can`t remember jbrec20 has a "battery full"-led.

> Does the malfunction you suggested implicate my issue keeps affecting the JB
> eventhough ?
a "battery full"-meter doesn`t guarantee, that your cell is _really_ ok.
if it is damaged, the inner resistance of the cell could be quite high, and
that means if hdd spins up the voltage of the cell drops very quickly and.
archos jukebox doesn`t have good "don`t startup when battery empty"-protection.

> 3) As I've been writing to archos, they said nothing about the battery issue.
> How did you discover this was the problem ?
just some knowledge about electricity and trial&error.

> 4) As I've initiated the disk format, the operation failed with the disk
> making a louder "tactactac" noise. Does this mean my HD is down, or, may I
it could also mean, that the hdd is damaged, especially when it always happens
at the same position (when the hdd heads reach the damaged region of the hdd surface)

> 5) As I suppose you solved the problem changing the batteries, did you do it
> yourself, or did you send it to your retailer ? If you did it yourself, what
> kind of batteries did you use ? Same as original or others ?
errr - do you have the fm recorder? then you`re out of luck and DIY replacement
isn`t easy. if you have ordinary archos model, then just replace the cells by
ANY standard AA(mignon) sized NIMH battery. you can buy them everywhere.

> 6) Sorry for asking so much ;)
no problem. you`re welcome
:)

regards
roland

----- Original Message -----
From: "mielpop" <mielpop_at_free.fr>
To: <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Hd failure on recorder 20

> thanks for answering so quickliy...
> >
>
> > mhhh - replace the batteries with some fresh charged ones and try again.
> > archos JB behaves really strange when batteries begin getting empty or if
> > on cell of the 4 is going to get bad.
>
> 1) Firstly : I assume when I replace the batteries, I'll have to charge them
> before, and place it into the JB BEFORE charging. Am I right ?
>
> > the shutdown after 1-2 seconds, the register error and the tactactac sound
> > familar to me.
> > let me guess: the tactactac goes in sync with flickering of the lcd
> > backlight, right? (btw: even the charger usually doesn`t deliver enough
> > power for permanent "running" of the jukebox. so big datatransfers and
> > long-lasting-operations like defrag _can_ be problematic - at least with my
> > car adapter this happens quite often and gives me the typical "tactactac"
> > on startup)
>
> 2) Ok, this is exactly what I get... But, I must say i had charged the
> batteries before booting... The led indicated the batteries were full. Does
> the malfunction you suggested implicate my issue keeps affecting the JB
> eventhough ?
>
> 3) As I've been writing to archos, they said nothing about the battery issue.
> How did you discover this was the problem ?
>
> 4) As I've initiated the disk format, the operation failed with the disk
> making a louder "tactactac" noise. Does this mean my HD is down, or, may I
> expect the batteries changing will solve everything (after formatting, again)
> ?
>
> 5) As I suppose you solved the problem changing the batteries, did you do it
> yourself, or did you send it to your retailer ? If you did it yourself, what
> kind of batteries did you use ? Same as original or others ?
>
> 6) Sorry for asking so much ;)
>
> tx or everything
>
> >
> > roland
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "mielpop" <mielpop_at_free.fr>
> > To: <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 12:36 PM
> > Subject: Hd failure on recorder 20
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I have encountered the following problem recently :
> > >
> > > I was trying to acces my archos recorder 20 with linux mandrake 9.1. And
> > > that was NOT a piece of cake :
> > >
> > > Archos jukebox is supposed to be recognized as a usb mass storage, and I
> > > read everything I could to do so : what I finally got was that it was
> > > possible for me to access it if the archos was plugged BEFORE booting...
> > >
> > > I recently re-intalled the 9.1, and then, on boot, I was asked if I
> > > wanted to run the config tool, what I did.
> > >
> > > I remember I did not do anything with this tool (meaning : no suppression
> > > of partition or anything, no formating or so).
> > >
> > > But after that, I couldn't acces to th internal harddrive in my rockbox :
> > >
> > > Here is the thing :
> > >
> > > when I run the jukebox, the system begin to load during 1 or 2 seconds,
> > > then shut down. If I keep the on button pushed, I get these values :
> > >
> > > Hd register error
> > > SC1 (85) 128
> > > SN1 (170) 128
> > > SC2 (170) 128
> > > SN2 (85) 128
> > >
> > > I firstly thought the linux config tool I ran had messed up my partition
> > > table or anything. Which seemed to be confirmed by the fact I could plug
> > > the archos with usb (keeping the "on" button on boot usb pllugged).
> > >
> > > So, I tryed to do something with windows XP :
> > >
> > > I tryed a scandisk, wich freezed at 25 %
> > > I tryed to format the hard drive (fat 32), expecting I could get a new
> > > formatted hard drive, but the format didnt' succeed (an error message
> > > occurred at 10 %).
> > >
> > > - Now, I can not anymore access the hard driove with usb (under linux or
> > > windows).
> > >
> > > - I can hear a strange little noise when I keep the "on" button pushed
> > > (something like a speedy "tac tac tac tac".
> > >
> > > - Still, I get the given values.
> > >
> > > Hd register error
> > > SC1 (85) 128
> > > SN1 (170) 128
> > > SC2 (170) 128
> > > SN2 (85) 128
> > >
> > >
> > > I read the thread
> > > http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-08/0497.shtml
> > > But it does concern a new HD recognition problem.
> > >
> > > Anyway, my feeling is that my hard drive is down... But, as I didn't
> > > manage to do anything mechanically, I wonder if I could not do anything
> > > (except changing the drive).
> > >
> > > Firstly, does anywone know what is wrong with my jukebox (is it
> > > necessarily a HD problem).
> > > Secondly, does anywone have any idea of what happenned ?
> > > Thirdly, does anywone have a suggestion to fix it ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for reading all this long message.
>



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