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Subject: Re: To clarify about Xclef OpenJukebox
From: roland (for_spam_at_gmx.de)
Date: 2004-06-17


hi!

got my xclef 800 a.k.a i.beat500 a.k.a ripdrive today - 299 eurodollars :)

just opened the package some minutes ago - on a first view this really is a
MARVELOUS piece of hardware, but - the firmware seems to be a piece of crap,
if we compare that to rockbox. ok, maybe it's not tooo bad, but i cannot judge
neutrally about this, because i've got too much used to rockbox. there is basic
functionality, and the average user would be happy with it, but i think i will
get very frustrated, soon :D
first distinctive negative feature: the boot time! damn, thats sooooo slooooow!

>Third, If you don't see any source code, this is a normal situation. A part of the
>OpenJukebox web site is limited to the Developper Team. Due to some laws from some
>countries (Like the US DMCA Law, Patent laws ...), we don't publish publicly our
>research results because there is some copyrighted material.

so why do you research ? if you fear lawsuits, your research is nonsense. if you
cannot publish your work, who should have a profit from that ? a closed developer
group ? come on, you really think you will move forward this way ?

my xclef is a device i own, and NOBODY in this world tells me, what i may do with that,
and what not. if someone (sorry, i'm too dumb for this for doing it good!) hacks & reverse
engineers that device and writes software for it - where is the problem ?

personally - i don't give a shit about dmca, drm,tcpa and that stuff.! i think, most of
that laws&technology, adopted from a dying industry, is real nonsense. (BTW: if someone
understands german, a very cool book is made for free download some days ago: mix, burn,
r.i.p at http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/html/buch_10.html . please read gilmore,too!
http://www.toad.com/gnu/whatswrong.html

i would be very happen, if you would make your project "open" !
that should be no problem, imho.
rockbox never had a problem - and even the avos guy who was threathened by archos has
no problem, afaik. did you follow xboxlinux ? go - speak with those guys!

if you need some webspace and need someone who want's to take responsibility for that -
please let me know.

sorry if i'm being rude here - but - if you will continue to stay closed with your project,
maybe it's worth thinking about you calling you guys (respect, though!) "coward" or "liar" ;)

roland

ps:
if we have rockbox running on that device, i think that would probably be the "definitive
mp3 player" for me.

pps:
>http://openjukebox.free.fr/
why do you call it "openjukebox" , hosted on "free.fr" when you keep your work CLOSED ? ;)

>Hi,
>
>I'm one of the Xclef Openjukebox project's developper. I'm writing here to clarify the
>project situation.
>
>First, this project is not dead, it is still active.
>
>Second, no code was realized yet because we are still in the reverse engineering step.
>
>Third, If you don't see any source code, this is a normal situation. A part of the
>OpenJukebox web site is limited to the Developper Team. Due to some laws from some
>countries (Like the US DMCA Law, Patent laws ...), we don't publish publicly our
>research results because there is some copyrighted material.
>
>PS : Sorry for my english, I'm French
>
>Regards,
>--
>Pascal Nowak
>OpenJukebox Project Developer
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Indus_at_hightech-industry.com
>http://openjukebox.free.fr/
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>OpenJukebox Project is a project to make an alternaitf
>firmware for the Xclef HDD based MP3 Jukebox family
>
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