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Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?

Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?

From: Glenn Ervin <GlennErvin_at_cableone.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:56:16 -0500

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Erkens" <pjealt_at_xs4all.nl>
To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?
Snip... you wrote:

Hi Christy,

Avoiding extensive quoting for convenience: you proposed to have rockbox
beep when you go into active recording, and a different beep when going from
record into pause.

I agree half way on this, because I see a few small problems. I don't know
if they can be overcome, but here they are.

Hearing a beep while pausing is obviously great if it were developed for us.
On record however, I don't think it would be good. First, if you have to
first turn off the rec monitor when the beep sounds, and later turn it back
on again
after the beep finishes sounding, then your recording would start later than
you intend. Probably half a second, but too late.

Second, what would happen to the pre recording? Imagine you have it set to 5
seconds, then in the resulting recording at five seconds from the beginning,
you would either have an audible gap, or at least a missing bit of audio,
lasting the time it took to turn off recording, sounding the beep and going
into active record again.

I'm curious what other members here have to say about this, because
resolving the recording feedback issue for blind people will yet again add
great value to rockbox. It's just that I myself have no good idea yet as to
how this could be overcome. List, do you have any constructive ideas? Adding
a well thought over feature request to flyspray is more likely to be
adopted.

Paul.

** Personally, if it were possible, since the beep we once had was barely
audible, is to have the option to have a voice file speak:
recording
And I would gladly lose a couple of seconds before the recording starts for
this feature.
But if it was an option, then those who can see the screen would not have to
use it.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christy Schulte" <christy_at_faylen.com>
To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: Do you use the BEEP feature?

> I'm with Paul on this, with a few exceptions.
>
> Using the speech option, I don't really see a need for most beeps when
> pressing buttons. However, it would be very very useful in the recording
> screen. What I, personally, would like to see is a beep for starting
> recording, and a different beep for pausing. Again, if it means
> temporarily
> turning the monitor off, playing the beep, then turning the monitor back
> on
> and starting the recording that would be ok I'd think. Other than that I
> doubt I'd use beeps much, but maybe Amy would be a better judge of this.
>
> Christy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se
> [mailto:rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se]On Behalf Of Paul Erkens
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:17 PM
> To: Rockbox
> Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?
>
>
> Hi Steve B,
>
> Currently, I don't use the beep feature because of its slow reaction speed
> after pressing a button. It's off here. But there are situations where it
> would be very useful to have, where it has not been implemented yet. Of
> course, moving the beep code away from the play routines into the button
> handling could be benificial because of the time difference that will
> probably result in, but there's another use.
>
> I understand that playback and recording are mutually exclusive, i.e. you
> can have one, but not the other at the same time. This makes implementing
> the beeps where I and many others want to have them, somewhat complicated
> I
> guess, but I'm not a developer so I don't really know.
>
> To answer your question: I don't personally need differently pitched beeps
> for different buttons I press. A good use for beeps where they are not yet
> implemented though, is in the recording screen while the rec monitor is
> on.
>
> We, blind folks, have no feedback on whether the device is recording or
> pausing. I screwed up several live recordings because of this. I have to
> go
> into the rec monitor, and press play to start recording. Pressing play
> again
> pauses, pressing it again resumes recording etc.
>
> It would be great if the device would issue a beep, just after it has gone
> into pause mode. To start recording, I don't need to hear anything
> personally. But pausing is important to be aware of, so that you don't
> accidentally record what you intended to leave out, and vice versa.
> Hearing
> a beep when going from rec into pause mode, would be really helpful. Even
> if
> the rec monitor has to be turned off for the time the beep is sounding,
> would not be a problem in my opinion.
>
> Do you know if something can be done about this, or would you find it
> worth
> investigating further?
>
> Paul.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pondlife" <pondlife_at_ntlworld.com>
> To: <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:06 PM
> Subject: Do you use the BEEP feature?
>
>
>>I use the beep feature whenever I'm operating the player while driving.
>> It's useful as confirmation that I actually pressed the button,
>> especially
>> as crossfade can result in quite a delay before the track skip is
>> audible.
>>
>> I'd rather like the beep to operate when any button is pressed (well,
>> maybe
>> a shorter "click"), but it's currently part of the playback code (rather
>> than the button code), so maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick about
>> this and this isn't the main use for this feature.
>>
>> So could all users of this feature explain why they use it and whether
>> feedback on all keypresses would be useful. (Also would different
>> pitches
>> of short beep for different buttons be useful?)
>>
>> --
>> Steve B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Received on 2007-06-13


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