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Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?

Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?

From: Paul Erkens <pjealt_at_xs4all.nl>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:31:27 +0200

Hi Glenn,

Are you saying: go into the rec monitor screen so that the monitor turns on,
adjust your gain and gear, and when you press play, rockbox turns off the
rec mon, issues the "recording" voice clip, and turns rec monitor back on? I
agree this would be nice, as long as it is an option.

Secondly, having a "pausing" voice clip sound when you go into pause, is a
good idea as well I believe.

There are several preferences to satisfy. I myself like to use
pre-recording, and playing a "recording" voice clip would clearly interfere
with that. On the other hand, it's great if you can turn it on at will, at
the cost of pre-recording.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Ervin" <GlennErvin_at_cableone.net>
To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Erkens" <pjealt_at_xs4all.nl>
> To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?
> Snip... you wrote:
>
> Hi Christy,
>
> Avoiding extensive quoting for convenience: you proposed to have rockbox
> beep when you go into active recording, and a different beep when going
> from
> record into pause.
>
> I agree half way on this, because I see a few small problems. I don't know
> if they can be overcome, but here they are.
>
> Hearing a beep while pausing is obviously great if it were developed for
> us.
> On record however, I don't think it would be good. First, if you have to
> first turn off the rec monitor when the beep sounds, and later turn it
> back
> on again
> after the beep finishes sounding, then your recording would start later
> than
> you intend. Probably half a second, but too late.
>
> Second, what would happen to the pre recording? Imagine you have it set to
> 5
> seconds, then in the resulting recording at five seconds from the
> beginning,
> you would either have an audible gap, or at least a missing bit of audio,
> lasting the time it took to turn off recording, sounding the beep and
> going
> into active record again.
>
> I'm curious what other members here have to say about this, because
> resolving the recording feedback issue for blind people will yet again add
> great value to rockbox. It's just that I myself have no good idea yet as
> to
> how this could be overcome. List, do you have any constructive ideas?
> Adding
> a well thought over feature request to flyspray is more likely to be
> adopted.
>
> Paul.
>
> ** Personally, if it were possible, since the beep we once had was barely
> audible, is to have the option to have a voice file speak:
> recording
> And I would gladly lose a couple of seconds before the recording starts
> for
> this feature.
> But if it was an option, then those who can see the screen would not have
> to
> use it.
> Glenn
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christy Schulte" <christy_at_faylen.com>
> To: "Rockbox" <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:57 PM
> Subject: RE: Do you use the BEEP feature?
>
>
>> I'm with Paul on this, with a few exceptions.
>>
>> Using the speech option, I don't really see a need for most beeps when
>> pressing buttons. However, it would be very very useful in the recording
>> screen. What I, personally, would like to see is a beep for starting
>> recording, and a different beep for pausing. Again, if it means
>> temporarily
>> turning the monitor off, playing the beep, then turning the monitor back
>> on
>> and starting the recording that would be ok I'd think. Other than that I
>> doubt I'd use beeps much, but maybe Amy would be a better judge of this.
>>
>> Christy
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se
>> [mailto:rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se]On Behalf Of Paul Erkens
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:17 PM
>> To: Rockbox
>> Subject: Re: Do you use the BEEP feature?
>>
>>
>> Hi Steve B,
>>
>> Currently, I don't use the beep feature because of its slow reaction
>> speed
>> after pressing a button. It's off here. But there are situations where it
>> would be very useful to have, where it has not been implemented yet. Of
>> course, moving the beep code away from the play routines into the button
>> handling could be benificial because of the time difference that will
>> probably result in, but there's another use.
>>
>> I understand that playback and recording are mutually exclusive, i.e. you
>> can have one, but not the other at the same time. This makes implementing
>> the beeps where I and many others want to have them, somewhat complicated
>> I
>> guess, but I'm not a developer so I don't really know.
>>
>> To answer your question: I don't personally need differently pitched
>> beeps
>> for different buttons I press. A good use for beeps where they are not
>> yet
>> implemented though, is in the recording screen while the rec monitor is
>> on.
>>
>> We, blind folks, have no feedback on whether the device is recording or
>> pausing. I screwed up several live recordings because of this. I have to
>> go
>> into the rec monitor, and press play to start recording. Pressing play
>> again
>> pauses, pressing it again resumes recording etc.
>>
>> It would be great if the device would issue a beep, just after it has
>> gone
>> into pause mode. To start recording, I don't need to hear anything
>> personally. But pausing is important to be aware of, so that you don't
>> accidentally record what you intended to leave out, and vice versa.
>> Hearing
>> a beep when going from rec into pause mode, would be really helpful. Even
>> if
>> the rec monitor has to be turned off for the time the beep is sounding,
>> would not be a problem in my opinion.
>>
>> Do you know if something can be done about this, or would you find it
>> worth
>> investigating further?
>>
>> Paul.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "pondlife" <pondlife_at_ntlworld.com>
>> To: <rockbox_at_cool.haxx.se>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:06 PM
>> Subject: Do you use the BEEP feature?
>>
>>
>>>I use the beep feature whenever I'm operating the player while driving.
>>> It's useful as confirmation that I actually pressed the button,
>>> especially
>>> as crossfade can result in quite a delay before the track skip is
>>> audible.
>>>
>>> I'd rather like the beep to operate when any button is pressed (well,
>>> maybe
>>> a shorter "click"), but it's currently part of the playback code (rather
>>> than the button code), so maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick
>>> about
>>> this and this isn't the main use for this feature.
>>>
>>> So could all users of this feature explain why they use it and whether
>>> feedback on all keypresses would be useful. (Also would different
>>> pitches
>>> of short beep for different buttons be useful?)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steve B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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