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Subject: RE: Help for blind/vision-impaired users

RE: Help for blind/vision-impaired users

From: Ross Doerr <rumpole_at_roadrunner.com>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:40:11 -0400

You wrote:
\There is a list set up for users of Rockboxed Sansa MP3 players on which
questions are asked and answered from the perspective of a
blind/vision-impaired person and where top posting is the preferred posting
method, as it is on most blind lists.
**

Hello Laz:
I must disagree with you on one point. I've been blind for several decades
and have been using web/email etc to do my job for more than 20 years. I'm
an attorney who practices law in two states, and who deals with state and
federal court systems, federal agencies and law offices all over the United
States. My professional clients span the spectrum of job types.
Without exception, I have not had one bit of trouble, nor did I even knnow
what top posting was, to lists until I logged onto this one to post a
compliment to the developers. I was curtly told to stop top posting, and
directed to the list rules and told to read them before posting again. I had
to ask what top posting was.
I need to add that my email use spanning 20 years is to professional lists
and offices and only rarely to predominantly "blind lists". My point here is
that blind users are not very different from sighted users.
If you folks want over-written drivel and drool, get on to some legal lists.
What goes on in this list is pretty darn pale by comparison.
I don't have any trouble following someone's rules. Having stated this, I
would go on to add that there is no better way to generate hard feelings
than to criticize and publically disciplin someone for the manner they used
to pay you a compliment. This is the very definition of "form over
substance".
 I have represented software engineers, developers and related businesses
on numerous ocasions over the years and know that "they" are just as
insistant upon rules as "we" are. By that I refer to lawyers. Folks,
lawyers get more jokes and criticism leveled against us than software
developer engineering types do. We've been around since the days of ancient
Rome, and nobody has, to the best of my knowledge, ever said: "First, hang
all the software engineers".
What we have been experiencing here, in my view, is two very different
groups of individuals meeting head-on.
If we want tolerance, we need to be demonstrating it.
I could go on, but this isn't a cultural list, it's a software list.
And, by the way, I really do like Rockbox. I used it to listen to the FM
radio on my MP3 player at the Red Sox game while I was at Fenway Park on
Memorial day with my wife and son. We trounced the Detroit Tigers 7 to 4,
and beat them again last night.
 

I would like to offer this alternative mailing list to any blind or
vision-impaired individuals who have
 

-----Original Message-----
From: rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se [mailto:rockbox-bounces_at_cool.haxx.se] On
Behalf Of Laz Mesa
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:42 PM
To: rockbox
Subject: Help for blind/vision-impaired users

I've been on this list for a while now and have observed that although the
help is forthcoming, there appears to be some sort of differences in
viewpoint, perspective, or understanding between the sighted person
providing the help and the blind or vision-impaired individual asking the
questions. It appears that the developers and others who do answer
questions on this list, sometimes lack either the viewpoint, perspective, or
understanding that another person who is blind would have when answering a
question from a blind or vision-impaired user.
This affects how well the blind person is able to follow the directions and
thereby achieve the expected results on their Rockboxed player.

Also there is the fact that many blind lists are set up for top posting,
while this list is set up for bottom posting and apparently this is not
remembered by most blind or vision-impaired individuals very well, and there
doesn't seem to be a very high tolerance level when anyone top post to the
list. The fact is, this list seems to be mainly designed for sighted users
who have no trouble finding the answer at the bottom of the post without
having to listen to a screen reader read everything else in the message
before reaching the answer.
 Yes, this is the reason blind users usually top post. It's not because
they want to break the rules, it's just that it's what they're used to
doing, and top posting is far more efficient for those who have to use a
screen reader to get through email messages.

There is a list set up for users of Rockboxed Sansa MP3 players on which
questions are asked and answered from the perspective of a
blind/vision-impaired person and where top posting is the preferred posting
method, as it is on most blind lists.

I would like to offer this alternative mailing list to any blind or
vision-impaired individuals who have questions about using Rockbox with
their players, using VoiceBox, or using the Rockbox Utility. If you are a
blind or vision-impaired individual and wish to find out about this list,
please contact me at lazaro6_at_gmail.com and I'll provide you with the
subscription information. The list is not for developer type questions
though, so if you're interested in the in and outs of programming and
developing Rockbox, then this wouldn't be the list for you. It's meant for
those who have questions about using their player as a blind/vision-impaired
user, voicing the menus, creating talk files, etc. I'm a blind individual
and have used Rockbox on most models of Sansa MP3 players, have used
VoiceBox, and am familiar with using the Rockbox Utility. I have set up
players manually and with the use of the Rockbox Utility. I am in no way as
knowledgeable as any of the Rockbox developers, nor could I replace them in
any way except as I've stated above in regards to helping answer questions
from a blind perspective from blind or vision-impaired individuals.

Regards,

Laz
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