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| 15:09:19 | Hes | If the feature name is 'autoplay', i'd suggest /autoplay.m3u |
| 15:10:59 | Hes | and storing the autoplay bit in the first bit of 0x10 of the config block |
| 15:11:06 | Hes | which the patch actually does: |
| 15:11:09 | Hes | + rtc_config_block[0x10] = (unsigned char)global_settings.autoplay; |
| 15:11:20 | Hes | it just documents it differently: |
| 15:11:20 | Hes | +0x11 0x25 <autoplay byte> |
| 15:11:56 | Hes | => away |
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| 15:51:22 | dug | hello everybody |
| 15:55:24 | yro | Hi there |
| 15:58:30 | dug | i'm visite your site |
| 15:59:23 | dug | and i'm very interesting |
| 15:59:40 | yro | Hes: Yep, you're right, I'm wrong in the doc... |
| 15:59:54 | yro | dug: You own a player ? |
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| 16:01:21 | dug | yes... i have a Recorder 20 |
| 16:01:48 | yro | dug: Have you tried it ? |
| 16:02:27 | yro | dug: I mean, rockbox on it ;-) |
| 16:02:49 | dug | and i wonder if i have to change it width Archos Multimedia (sorry for my english, i'm french) |
| 16:03:18 | dug | yes i'm tried it, and it's very cool... and your firmware also :) |
| 16:03:52 | dug | but, you work with version Multimedia ? |
| 16:03:55 | yro | dug: Not mine, I'm just on the channel right now ;-) |
| 16:04:06 | dug | :) |
| 16:04:21 | yro | dug: The Multimedia version is already out ? |
| 16:04:34 | yro | (Im french too ;-)) |
| 16:05:00 | dug | :)) et ben je cause francais si cela ne t'embete pas ;) |
| 16:05:35 | dug | en faite, je viens de voir que cette plateforme pouvait etre programmer (j'suis programmeur) |
| 16:06:06 | dug | et j'hesite a l'echanger avec la version Multimedia, vu qu'il y a plus de possibilité de dev dessus |
| 16:07:10 | dug | yro: quand penses tu ? |
| 16:13:20 | yro | yro->busy |
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| 16:43:30 | mecraw | Hi, Linus! |
| 16:43:47 | Linus | yo! |
| 16:44:08 | mecraw | I think I'm having trouble with the changes you made to mpeg.c yesterday |
| 16:44:17 | Linus | mecraw: please tell me |
| 16:44:19 | mecraw | songs stop playing after about 6 seconds |
| 16:44:26 | Linus | ah! hang on |
| 16:44:45 | Linus | 6???? |
| 16:45:02 | mecraw | i believe so, let me build it again and check it |
| 16:45:19 | Linus | mecraw: recorder? |
| 16:45:28 | mecraw | yep, rec 20 |
| 16:46:12 | Linus | what bitrate? |
| 16:46:22 | mecraw | vbr |
| 16:46:35 | mecraw | between 160 and 210 |
| 16:47:38 | Linus | ok |
| 16:47:55 | Linus | i have had a similar problem, but after about a minute |
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| 16:55:11 | mecraw | 6 seconds on a vbr (193 kbit avg) |
| 16:56:00 | Linus | does your hard drive take long to spin up? |
| 16:56:44 | mecraw | what is long? and how do i tell? |
| 16:57:11 | Linus | :-) never mind |
| 16:57:35 | Linus | i'll have a fix for that in a few |
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| 17:01:25 | Linus | 193kbit avr, that high! :-) |
| 17:01:46 | mecraw | yep |
| 17:02:12 | mecraw | the next one last 5 seconds and was 201kbit avr |
| 17:02:50 | dug | bye bye everybody... good job for your firmware |
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| 17:02:59 | fragglet | funky |
| 17:05:23 | Linus | mecraw: what happens if you set MPEG_FIRST_CHUNKSIZE to 0x30000? |
| 17:06:26 | mecraw | i'll check |
| 17:09:47 | mecraw | it's at 40 seconds and still going |
| 17:12:05 | mecraw | 201kbit avg stopped after 71 seconds |
| 17:13:53 | Linus | ok, we need to raise the low water mark for you |
| 17:14:00 | mecraw | 193kbit avg stopped after 73 seconds |
| 17:14:50 | mecraw | do we need to calculate it based on avg bitrate? |
| 17:15:22 | Linus | we could, to optimize buffer usage |
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| 17:16:52 | Linus | when you start a song, how long does the last blink take? |
| 17:18:16 | Linus | mecraw: sorry, i have to run now. i'll be back! |
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| 17:18:21 | mecraw | about 5 seconds |
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| 18:25:10 | matp | mecraw: i like the idea of your patch. i reckon i'd use something like that |
| 18:25:29 | mecraw | i was wondering if i was the only one |
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| 18:51:01 | matp | I was sat in the car last night, and a song came on that I hadn't heard for years. Of course, then I wanted to play the whole album |
| 18:51:55 | matp | and had to fiddle around loads. i wonder if we could play the album from the beginning. |
| 18:52:47 | mecraw | not without searching id3 tags or knowing the naming convention |
| 18:54:29 | mecraw | another usability issue is where do we start the playlist from when the user switches back to shuffle? |
| 18:55:07 | matp | i have "playlist.m3u" in each album directory ... |
| 18:55:52 | mecraw | i'm thinking of going back to the last shuffled song and going to the next song in the shuffled list |
| 18:55:53 | matp | start from where it was previously |
| 18:56:10 | matp | yes, what does it do now? |
| 18:56:41 | mecraw | it finds the seek position of the song it was just playing, and then advances in the list |
| 18:57:25 | mecraw | this could theoretically put you at a point in the shuffled list that you've already heard |
| 18:57:57 | matp | im not sure i understand. it reshuffles ? |
| 18:59:34 | mecraw | it reshuffles using the original seed |
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| 19:00:18 | mecraw | when it switches shuffle mode, i look up the current seek position in the index list... |
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| 19:00:30 | mecraw | then sort it, or shuffle it accordingly... |
| 19:00:54 | mecraw | then loop through the list looking for that seek position and set the index to that position |
| 19:03:05 | matp | i am being thick. how could you be in a position that you'd already heard? |
| 19:04:26 | mecraw | you switch shuffle mode off and listen for awhile, and eventually get to a song that you already heard in shuffle mode, then you switch shuffle back on... |
| 19:04:48 | mecraw | you will be back at an earlier point in the shuffled list |
| 19:07:32 | matp | yes, it should store the seek position of the song that was playing when you switched off shuffle |
| 19:08:07 | matp | then advance from there when you switch shuffle back on |
| 19:08:41 | mecraw | i agree |
| 19:09:43 | matp | phew, i'm glad we sorted that out :) |
| 19:10:18 | mecraw | i was thinking of waiting to update the patch until the first one is incorporated into cvs, if it ever is |
| 19:10:54 | matp | it's a great feature anyway. i really would like to default to first entry in playlist.m3u in the current directory though |
| 19:11:08 | * | Lovechild is away: - diner |
| 19:11:25 | matp | you sound like you think it might not be accepted into the build |
| 19:12:08 | mecraw | i'm just a humble servant to the cvs committers of the Rockbox world |
| 19:13:07 | mecraw | my problem with the playlist.m3u is that it's not a convention that everyone else employs |
| 19:13:48 | mecraw | including me :) |
| 19:13:54 | matp | sure, maybe it could be an option. |
| 19:14:12 | matp | what do you call them. i use grip, and it defaults to playlist.m3u |
| 19:14:59 | matp | but you're right. people may name them differently for each album. |
| 19:15:29 | mecraw | i don't have a playlist for each album... i just name the tracks <track no> - title - artist - album.mp3 and play the directory when i want to hear a specific album |
| 19:16:11 | matp | i see |
| 19:16:52 | matp | maybe they could be played in alphabetical order... |
| 19:17:51 | mecraw | that basically means switching out of playlist mode altogether, and going into directory mode |
| 19:18:24 | mecraw | the manual solution is to turn off shuffle and hit back a few times until you're at the first song |
| 19:19:17 | matp | sure, but i'm as lazy as you are, so I know you know what I mean :) |
| 19:19:43 | mecraw | aren't all programmers lazy? |
| 19:20:48 | matp | most definitely. well, i gotta go. i'm just finishing work. |
| 19:20:57 | mecraw | bye |
| 19:21:00 | matp | i may see you later tonight. |
| 19:21:25 | mecraw | probably not |
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| 19:22:13 | mecraw | i'll be in internet exile for the next few weeks |
| 19:23:54 | matp|work|away | going on holiday? |
| 19:24:06 | mecraw | switching jobs and moving |
| 19:24:17 | matp|work|away | more java? |
| 19:24:21 | mecraw | yep |
| 19:24:30 | matp|work|away | more money? |
| 19:24:37 | mecraw | no, but less hours |
| 19:25:12 | matp|work|away | you lazy programmer, you!! |
| 19:25:26 | mecraw | it's time to try to have a life |
| 19:25:54 | matp|work|away | speaking of which.....im outta here |
| 19:26:00 | mecraw | or at least put more time towards rockbox :) |
| 19:37:02 | * | Lovechild is back |
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| 20:08:06 | * | Lovechild is away: phone |
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| 20:19:36 | Linus | yo! |
| 20:21:28 | Zagor | hi linus |
| 20:22:05 | Linus | whazzup? |
| 20:22:25 | Zagor | packing... haven't written a line of code today :-( |
| 20:22:37 | Linus | what a drag |
| 20:25:00 | Zagor | fixed the playpack problem? |
| 20:25:59 | Linus | you mean the low watermark ? |
| 20:26:18 | Zagor | yeah, if that's what causes the 5sec stop reported in mail |
| 20:27:04 | * | Lovechild is back |
| 20:28:09 | Linus | yes it is. since the whole buffer is filled before the bitswap, the first chunk of loaded data is played before the bitswap begins on the large chunk |
| 20:28:31 | Linus | so we need to load a larger chunk before playback starts |
| 20:28:35 | Zagor | ah, good. i just didn't see the cvs mail |
| 20:28:49 | Linus | it isn't committed |
| 20:28:52 | Zagor | ok |
| 20:29:00 | Linus | i am doing a "better" fix |
| 20:29:03 | Zagor | are you back home now? |
| 20:29:39 | Linus | no, not until sunday evening |
| 20:29:46 | Zagor | ok |
| 20:30:51 | Linus | the battery/volume/play status on the player works quite fine now |
| 20:31:41 | Linus | but i had to stop the work on that until i have fixed the pplayback |
| 20:31:55 | Zagor | ok |
| 20:32:17 | Linus | we probably want to calculate the watermark dynamically |
| 20:33:12 | Zagor | yup |
| 20:44:04 | Zagor | Linus: have you seen the effect Stuart mentioned, about there being too many NEED_DATA messages sent? |
| 20:44:10 | Zagor | look at, i mean |
| 20:44:19 | Zagor | looked, even. gh... |
| 20:44:38 | Linus | yes i have seen it, but i haven't given it any thought |
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| 20:45:06 | Linus | does stuart have gdb? |
| 20:47:00 | Zagor | i don't think so |
| 20:47:40 | Linus | so he saw it in the code? |
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| 20:51:51 | Linus | i'm a little disappointed that people never post any info obout the files they try to play |
| 20:52:10 | Lovechild | Linus: like links :) |
| 20:54:35 | Linus | that would of course be the best... |
| 20:58:04 | Zagor | he saw it, and changed it. but didn't post a patch... |
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| 21:02:39 | Linus | i am committing a playback fix. it might contain bugs |
| 21:02:52 | Zagor | ok |
| 21:03:13 | Linus | do you have really high bitrate files? |
| 21:03:24 | Zagor | I have the giana sisters test files we made |
| 21:03:32 | Zagor | 256 and 320 kbit cbr |
| 21:03:53 | Zagor | I can even publish them, since they are downloaded from the net |
| 21:04:41 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 21:05:18 | Linus | the files that mecraw had were VBR, 192kbit/s average...! |
| 21:05:25 | Linus | no wonder he had watermark problems |
| 21:05:29 | Zagor | yeah I saw, that's pretty high for a vbr |
| 21:06:47 | Zagor | silly of us. we've always said the recorder is slower, but I only tested the 320kbit on the player |
| 21:07:24 | Linus | my new mpeg code requires a higher watermark |
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| 21:07:49 | * | edx is back |
| 21:08:08 | Linus | yo |
| 21:08:41 | Zagor | hi edx, your cvsmail address bounced so I have removed it |
| 21:09:27 | Linus | playback fix committed, please let me know if it worked. |
| 21:09:42 | Linus | i have to put my son to bed, i'll be back later this evening |
| 21:09:47 | Zagor | ok, bye |
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| 21:17:41 | Zagor | i bought a fast charger today. yay, it's fast! 1800mAh batteries charge in one hour! |
| 21:20:31 | mecraw | Zagor: 192kbit avg vbr files are high? |
| 21:21:45 | mecraw | i just used lame's -r3mix setting when making them |
| 21:22:22 | Zagor | it's not *that* high, just a bit higher than averagenormal I guess |
| 21:22:30 | mecraw | ah |
| 21:22:49 | mecraw | i have some over 200kbit too |
| 21:22:52 | edx | Zagor: yes - server was shut down |
| 21:22:53 | Zagor | I use the -r3mix setting myself, so you're not exceptional :) |
| 21:23:10 | mecraw | my mom tell's me everyday that i'm not |
| 21:23:10 | edx | Zagor: I lost my charger :/ what did yours cost? |
| 21:23:34 | Zagor | it was pretty expensive, since it's an advanced model. about EUR 60 |
| 21:23:56 | edx | Zagor: what's the name of the charger? |
| 21:24:20 | Zagor | "GP PowerBank Smart" |
| 21:24:27 | Zagor | model no: GPPB01 |
| 21:24:56 | edx | thx |
| 21:28:06 | Zagor | it's an external charger, not for plugging in the archos |
| 21:30:01 | edx | you need a 9 Volt charger for plugging in, right? |
| 21:30:27 | Zagor | for the recorder, it's not too picky. you can use a 12V for faster charging. |
| 21:32:01 | elinenbe|skating | I do not think the CVS list is working. |
| 21:32:22 | edx | Zagor: without running into danger of damaging it? |
| 21:32:38 | mecraw | has anyone tried Linus' latest mpeg fix? |
| 21:32:48 | elinenbe|skating | I will try it... |
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| 21:33:43 | mecraw | it stops after 73 seconds on a 193kbit avg vbr file |
| 21:33:46 | mecraw | for me |
| 21:34:09 | Zagor | elinenbe: I don't know it doesn't work. seems to be a sourceforge problem |
| 21:34:16 | Zagor | don't know why |
| 21:34:24 | elinenbe | Zagor: I have a rayovac 1 hour charger too −− 4 batteries AA or AAA FULL in 1 hour |
| 21:34:35 | Zagor | elinenbe: yup, it's very nice |
| 21:34:37 | elinenbe | Zagor: 30 USD |
| 21:35:20 | Zagor | at least I know it's not a mail problem in my end :) |
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| 21:37:23 | elinenbe | I have a 192kbit 44100Hz song on the recorder, and it is playing fine right now... |
| 21:37:36 | mecraw | vbr or cbr? |
| 21:37:56 | elinenbe | stopped after 72 seconds |
| 21:38:00 | elinenbe | cbr |
| 21:38:24 | Zagor | ooh, the cvs list lives |
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| 21:49:00 | elinenbe | http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20020617/toshiba.htm |
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| 22:41:22 | g003y | so I think the relative playlist patch is messing up on my jukebox 6000 player. I put the same playlist in the root using the older (pre-relative path patch) and my playlist works fine. I do it with the latest code and the first mp3 doesn't load. I got as far as throwing up some text on the screen and the file has an extra slash and a garbage char prepended to the file after calling playlist_next. Anyway I resorted to the older playlist_next code and |
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| 23:01:47 | matp | hello |
| 23:01:57 | mecraw | hi |
| 23:02:04 | matp | still at work? |
| 23:02:18 | mecraw | unfortunately, tieing up loose ends on my last day |
| 23:02:29 | mecraw | it's on 15:00 here too |
| 23:02:36 | matp | ahh, just sack it off and get yourself down the pub ;) |
| 23:02:50 | mecraw | that sounds like a plan |
| 23:03:34 | matp | where you based again? |
| 23:03:39 | mecraw | Denver, CO |
| 23:05:14 | matp | we have an office in boulder. it's meant to be nice round there ... |
| 23:05:14 | mecraw | i decided to submit my updated patch before taking off |
| 23:05:28 | mecraw | boulder is a very nice place |
| 23:05:37 | mecraw | who is "we"? |
| 23:05:41 | matp | to the mailing list? |
| 23:05:46 | mecraw | yep |
| 23:05:51 | matp | A company called Riversoft |
| 23:06:05 | matp | good, what does the new version do? |
| 23:06:45 | mecraw | it just remembers your last place in the shuffled list |
| 23:07:27 | matp | great, I'll certainly be trying it out. i'll let you know how it goes |
| 23:07:38 | mecraw | great, thanks |
| 23:07:54 | matp | your new place in CO as well? |
| 23:08:14 | mecraw | yep, i have to move from California over the next 2 weeks though |
| 23:10:35 | matp | hmm, I really loved CA when I visited SF. really cool place. |
| 23:10:38 | matp | brb |
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| 23:35:05 | * | mecraw feels Zagor's pain from moving |
| 23:35:18 | mecraw | See you soon. |
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| 23:41:01 | * | matp waves |
| 23:41:17 | * | Lovechild waves too |
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