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| 02:14:50 | wodokm | hi anyone there, i'd need the MSVCR70.DLL for the simulator to run, anyone has it for me, would be glad... |
| 02:16:14 | wodokm | someone there? |
| 02:18:24 | wodokm | bye |
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| 10:22:09 | PsycoXul | hmmm.. i have 3 directories with similar names, and the first 2 show the contents of the 2nd one, while the 3rd shows its proper contents.. |
| 10:23:32 | PsycoXul | there's 'Vespertine', 'Vespertine (bad rip)', and 'Vespertine [ogg2mp3]' |
| 10:23:33 | PsycoXul | heh |
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| 11:02:15 | Hadaka | bjork rokk |
| 11:02:24 | Linus | ? |
| 11:02:28 | PsycoXul | Linus: |
| 11:02:32 | PsycoXul | hmmm.. i have 3 directories with similar names, and the first 2 show the contents of the 2nd one, while the 3rd shows its proper contents.. |
| 11:02:35 | PsycoXul | there's 'Vespertine', 'Vespertine (bad rip)', and 'Vespertine [ogg2mp3]' |
| 11:03:01 | Linus | uhuh |
| 11:04:32 | Linus | are the contents of the 2 first dirs very different in reality? |
| 11:05:27 | PsycoXul | well they have noticably different sound quality, a different order, and different bonus tracks at the end |
| 11:06:10 | Linus | ok, is this consistent? |
| 11:06:19 | Linus | i mean does it happen every time? |
| 11:06:28 | PsycoXul | as far as i can tell |
| 11:06:43 | PsycoXul | i tried it once and then i rebooted it and tried it again and it was the same |
| 11:08:30 | Linus | does the problem go away if you rename one of then, like appending a character to the second dir name? |
| 11:08:47 | Linus | and does it return if you change it back? |
| 11:09:33 | PsycoXul | um i dunno heh |
| 11:10:15 | Hes | I have loudness & bass boost working on my recorder now... |
| 11:10:23 | Hes | going to mail the patch to the list in a few minutes. |
| 11:11:03 | Linus | supah! |
| 11:20:07 | Hes | there. |
| 11:20:28 | Hes | Btw, is the list very large, it seems a little slow? |
| 11:20:56 | Hes | Please try the patch out and consider including it in the main code |
| 11:23:34 | Linus | large list? slow? |
| 11:23:53 | Hes | The mailing list... takes a while for messages to get through. |
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| 11:25:06 | Linus | Hes: not for me |
| 11:26:14 | Hes | For some reason I suspect you're within the first subscribers 8-) |
| 11:26:44 | Hes | so you're likely to get it first unless the mail transport software used there sorts messages in the queue somehow |
| 11:26:44 | Linus | hehe. yeah. Probably number 2. |
| 11:27:05 | Hes | I'm probably very near the end of the list. |
| 11:27:10 | Linus | ah |
| 11:27:58 | Hes | Takes around half an hour for me to get my own messages back. |
| 11:28:20 | Hes | It's not that bad, just made me wonder how many subscribers there are 8-) |
| 11:29:04 | Linus | i think it's about 150, but i'm not sure |
| 11:30:50 | Linus | Hes: you should be aware of that we donīt have floating point support |
| 11:31:19 | Linus | at least we donīt want to |
| 11:31:32 | Hes | Ah. |
| 11:32:40 | Linus | do you want to change it, or should i do it? |
| 11:32:52 | Hes | That will probably have an effect on my changes in mpeg.c |
| 11:33:25 | Hes | Hm, if you happen to know what to change and how? I don't have a good idea straight out. |
| 11:34:09 | Linus | for example 1.5 * tmp would be rewritten as (3 * tmp) / 2 |
| 11:34:44 | Linus | i can do that |
| 11:34:59 | Hes | ah, i see. |
| 11:35:47 | Linus | but beware of overflowas |
| 11:38:43 | Hes | right. |
| 11:39:29 | Hes | Is the patch otherwise ok? |
| 11:40:20 | Hes | +static void bass_boost(void) |
| 11:40:20 | Hes | +{ |
| 11:40:20 | Hes | + set_sound("Bass boost", &global_settings.bass_boost, SOUND_SUPERBASS); |
| 11:40:22 | Hes | +} |
| 11:40:33 | Hes | That could read "Bass Boost" like the menu item |
| 11:40:38 | Hes | for consistency |
| 11:44:09 | Linus | i like the patch |
| 11:44:32 | Linus | although i would prefer it to be two separate patches |
| 11:44:43 | Linus | one for case sensitive sorting |
| 11:44:46 | Hes | Yes, I expected someone to mention that 8-) |
| 11:44:51 | Linus | and one for mas fixes |
| 11:44:57 | Hes | I posted the case sensitive sorting patch earlier |
| 11:45:01 | Linus | aha |
| 11:45:31 | Hes | now merged my changes against the current CVS and didn't bother to edit the diff to two parts, which of course would have been the correct thing to do. |
| 11:47:31 | Linus | i am a little unsure about the case sensitivity option |
| 11:47:38 | Hes | Lunch time. Some jerk is eating pizza with loads of garlic in the office. |
| 11:48:23 | Linus | i was under the impression that most people want case insensitive sorting... |
| 11:48:48 | Hes | Yes, that's probably what _most_ people want. 8-) |
| 11:49:21 | Linus | just curious |
| 11:49:39 | Hes | It defaults to case insensitive sorting (although the bit will be 1 in the RTC config block by default, if it has been used with older versions of rockbox with the RTC config saving) |
| 11:50:05 | Hes | Um, no, it will be 0 in any case. |
| 11:50:49 | Hes | Nice to see the A/D converter quasi-peak detector readouts jumping in the codec registers, 0x0c and 0x0d |
| 11:50:55 | Linus | just curious again, why do you want case sensitive sorting? |
| 11:51:47 | Hes | It allows me to do primitive and easy configuration to get some directories/files first or last in the list just by changing the case of the first directory |
| 11:52:33 | Linus | aha |
| 11:52:42 | Hes | I have a bunch of "more important" directories (ie. Soul-Funk, Rock, Jazz, and so on) and then "less important" (ie "misc, crap") |
| 11:53:01 | Hes | which are shown after the more important ones even though they are after the important ones alphabetically. |
| 11:53:22 | Hes | Which I find very comfortable with the small display & buttons |
| 11:54:23 | Hes | I have used this in the mp3 hierarchy i have on my unix systems |
| 11:54:41 | Hes | it's nice to just rsync it to the player and have the same sorting order. |
| 11:54:58 | Hes | Now, the lunch. Back in a moment. |
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| 12:31:28 | lithermon | hello is there someone here who can answer me a question ? |
| 12:35:49 | lithermon | well anyway i got a jb recorder 20 firmware 1.28 and when i put ajbrec.ajz on it it ignores the new file and loads its own firmware up |
| 12:39:48 | matp|work|away | you have to boot up with the power supply NOT connected |
| 12:40:38 | lithermon | yes i did |
| 12:40:46 | lithermon | booted with nothing connected |
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| 12:52:34 | wodokm | hi there, can someone send me the msvcr70.dll ? |
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| 13:17:16 | wodokm | someone there? ;-) |
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| 13:17:55 | Linus | i'm afraid that i don't have msvcr70.dll |
| 13:18:17 | Linus | but some people have managed to rename an older dll and had it to work |
| 13:18:43 | Linus | i think... |
| 13:18:56 | wodokm | i got it now from some BootXP program, thanks anyway... |
| 13:19:27 | wodokm | but let me tell you one thing: YOU GUYS RUUULE! thank you very much for doing a new firmware |
| 13:19:46 | Linus | you're welcome |
| 13:20:24 | Linus | there are still a few features missing... |
| 13:20:37 | Linus | like recording, for instance |
| 13:20:38 | wodokm | for me the 2 worst things were: 1000 songs/playlist and the playlist loading time... and the random that also always started with the first song in the playlist, so i had to do an empty mp3 first ;) |
| 13:20:56 | Linus | :-) |
| 13:20:59 | wodokm | well, i only have the Player Studio, so... |
| 13:21:24 | Linus | the player rockbox needs a better UI |
| 13:21:28 | wodokm | one question: why is the display only 2 lines? |
| 13:21:38 | Linus | ask Archos |
| 13:22:03 | Linus | the LCD has only two lines |
| 13:22:23 | wodokm | hmmm thought there were more lines with the archos.mod .. hmmm the rest is fixed LCD-stuff? |
| 13:22:30 | Linus | if you mean why the icons are unused, i am working on a patch that uses them |
| 13:22:46 | Linus | the battery meter and the volume level |
| 13:22:54 | Linus | and also the Play/Pause icons |
| 13:23:35 | wodokm | yeah right, that were hardware icons, i thought that were just charsets, so ofcourse you can't use them... |
| 13:23:40 | Linus | unfortunately, most of the core developers have Recorders |
| 13:24:26 | wodokm | damn, i'd like to help, but i'm away in my vacation the next month and then i'll have to learn for my end-tests of my CS-diploma... |
| 13:24:38 | Linus | we would really like your opinions on the UI, though |
| 13:24:48 | wodokm | and the recorder does have that big display (as seen on the example-screenshots (of the simulator))? |
| 13:25:09 | Linus | it's a graphical 112x64 display |
| 13:25:46 | Linus | with no icons |
| 13:26:20 | wodokm | well, it just looked strange as the icons were not used, but hardware-limits aer hardware-limits, and when the icons are used, it looks better... hmm well, i was getting used to the archos UI, so.. but that doesn't mean that that's better... |
| 13:27:25 | Linus | the Player/Studio versions are a bit limited, partly because of the LCD, but also because it has so few keys |
| 13:28:08 | wodokm | what keys do the recorders have more? |
| 13:28:08 | Linus | for example, we vould like to use the "up" and "down" buttons for up and down in the directory browser |
| 13:28:22 | Linus | but they are marked "Play" and "Stop" |
| 13:28:34 | Linus | so we must use them for that |
| 13:28:51 | Linus | and the Stop key also turns the unit off, so we can't use key repeat on it |
| 13:29:06 | Linus | the recorder has four more keys |
| 13:29:27 | Linus | three general function keys and a dedicated play/pause button |
| 13:30:01 | Linus | http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/devcon/show.cgi?img4083.jpg |
| 13:30:02 | wodokm | yeah, that was kinds stupid by them not to use the up/down buttons for up/down.. damn, those guys are stupid anyway, no real support, no REAL improvements in the firmware (like 10.000 songs and load time etc.) and as we see it IS posisble... |
| 13:30:30 | Linus | they probably have a budget, something we don't |
| 13:30:44 | Hes | They're not completely stupid, the device _is_ cool and a nice piece of hardware after all. |
| 13:30:53 | wodokm | aah, i see.. so the at least improved the display.. wooow ;-)) |
| 13:31:36 | Linus | Hes: yes, the hardware is neat. but it has many flaws. |
| 13:32:05 | wodokm | yes of course, but it seems to me they throw it out, and then don't really care about it, it's enough to SAY that there's a possibility of formware updates so ppl buy it and then they dont really care about... well, so it's great you guys do ! |
| 13:32:16 | Hes | Yes. It's hard to get it completely right the first time (or the second or third, anyway) |
| 13:32:33 | Linus | Hes: the flaws are intentionel |
| 13:32:58 | Hes | Hmm, like? |
| 13:33:21 | wodokm | i also guess rockbox does NOT hang randomly!! and when the battery is low, archos doesn't save the "random" value, so if you load the same playlist after turning off and on, you'l lget the same order of songs you've just heard... |
| 13:33:33 | Linus | they have thought too much about production costs and too little about performance and ease of programming |
| 13:34:01 | Hes | I guess they do have a reason for thinking about production costs 8-) |
| 13:34:23 | wodokm | well, get an iPod, it's eally nice to use, but expensive.. well it's such a thing, yes... |
| 13:34:35 | Linus | Hes: example: they have saved a few pence on not putting an inverted DEMAND pin interface to the CPU from the MAS |
| 13:34:42 | Linus | forcing us to poll it every 2ms |
| 13:35:00 | Hes | Uh. |
| 13:35:10 | wodokm | well, but if you want a good reputation (so ppl also buiy your next products etc.), you'll also have to think about support and quality! |
| 13:35:18 | Linus | wodokm: actually, rockbox _has_ problems with random crashes... :-) |
| 13:35:33 | Hes | Mine crashed this morning after playing the last song in a directory... |
| 13:35:41 | Hes | couldn't reproduce though. |
| 13:35:54 | Linus | Hes: they have changed the ATA address decoder three times, back and forth |
| 13:36:25 | Linus | Hes: yeah, the crashed are mysterious |
| 13:36:35 | wodokm | Linus: my plalist is 1700 songs, no problem when it crashes at the end ;) |
| 13:36:53 | Linus | thay have also lowered the CPU frequency for the recorder, for no apparent reason |
| 13:37:07 | wodokm | saving battery? |
| 13:37:11 | Linus | i doubt it |
| 13:37:24 | Linus | it takes longer to read from the hard drive |
| 13:37:29 | wodokm | what's the cpu frequency anyway? |
| 13:37:47 | Linus | 12MHz on the Player. 11.0562 on the recorder |
| 13:37:48 | wodokm | humm seems stupid, right... |
| 13:37:54 | Hes | What else than saving battery, they should have a reason to do that? |
| 13:38:02 | Linus | i have a nasty theory... |
| 13:38:12 | Hes | But that's not a very drastic change... |
| 13:38:20 | Hes | Cheaper chrystal? 8-) |
| 13:38:36 | Linus | hehe, that would be the archos way |
| 13:38:54 | Linus | no, i discovered something when i fiddles woth the serial port the other day |
| 13:38:59 | Linus | fiddled |
| 13:39:03 | wodokm | but when it takes more time to read from the hdd, it takes more battery, doesn't it? |
| 13:39:09 | Linus | probably |
| 13:39:47 | Hes | I remember a certain frequency chrystal being used for just about everything in hobby projects, since it was available for really cheap since it was used in televisions |
| 13:40:17 | Linus | Hes: yes, that frequency is used to clock the MP3 codec |
| 13:40:50 | Linus | but there is a separate crystal for the CPU |
| 13:40:55 | wodokm | is there anything besides coding i could help? |
| 13:41:22 | Linus | wodokm: testing, of course |
| 13:41:25 | Linus | documentation |
| 13:41:31 | Linus | pats on the back |
| 13:42:01 | wodokm | pats on the back? (what's that?) |
| 13:42:46 | wodokm | ah i checked the dict. ;-)) |
| 13:43:01 | wodokm | i'm german so... |
| 13:43:10 | Hes | What did you find with the serial port? |
| 13:43:12 | Linus | ah, so |
| 13:43:44 | Linus | i found that the baud rate calculations give 0% deviation up to 230400bps |
| 13:44:19 | Linus | my guess is that they wanted to be able to use high serial speeds |
| 13:44:32 | Linus | maybe for debugging |
| 13:44:42 | Linus | a wild guess, i know |
| 13:46:05 | wodokm | just for interest, someone of you guys been in the (Amiga) Demo scene maybe? =) |
| 13:46:14 | Hes | Btw... where did you get the schematics? 8-) |
| 13:47:33 | Hes | Back to business... do you think the sorting order patch will go in? |
| 13:47:44 | Linus | wodokm: yes, breafly. We are most famous on the C64 scene though |
| 13:48:07 | Hes | Assembly '02 is approaching. |
| 13:48:22 | Linus | Hes: the schematics are made from scratch, by using a multimeter and a lot of patience |
| 13:48:32 | Hes | WHOA. |
| 13:49:11 | Linus | Hes: i guess Björn has to decide about the sorting patch. i don't have a problem with it myself... |
| 13:49:17 | Hes | I am deeply impressed. |
| 13:49:41 | Linus | yeah, a guy names Andrew Jamiesson wanted to try out his new multimeter... |
| 13:49:59 | wodokm | yeah, c64 rocks (more than amiga of course)... |
| 13:50:09 | wodokm | been at ASM'94 and ASM'95 |
| 13:50:10 | Linus | it contains quite a few errors, but i am redrawing them |
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| 13:50:27 | | Nick Linus is now known as BoogalooHZ (~linus@193.15.23.131) |
| 13:50:46 | DexterAYS | and The Party 94 upto 98 |
| 13:50:55 | | Nick Hes is now known as HesNetCrew (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) |
| 13:50:58 | DexterAYS | Horizon i guess? |
| 13:50:59 | BoogalooHZ | i was at the Party 94 |
| 13:51:10 | BoogalooHZ | wioth my first and only Amiga demo |
| 13:51:14 | DexterAYS | damn i didn't meet you ;-) |
| 13:51:20 | BoogalooHZ | Horizon, yes |
| 13:51:22 | DexterAYS | did you compete? |
| 13:51:27 | HesNetCrew | Been doing the network uplink for the last couple years. |
| 13:51:36 | BoogalooHZ | 4th place in the compo |
| 13:51:50 | BoogalooHZ | Virtual Intelligence |
| 13:52:21 | BoogalooHZ | a very cool way of putting bitmaps on 3D vector objects |
| 13:52:32 | DexterAYS | well, better than our "Dove" (with the beverly hills90210 endpart.....) |
| 13:52:40 | DexterAYS | gotta take a look at that demo ;-) |
| 13:53:02 | BoogalooHZ | we did a VERY cool vector demo for the C64 after that |
| 13:53:06 | BoogalooHZ | The Last Traktor III |
| 13:53:34 | BoogalooHZ | and won another compo with it |
| 13:53:43 | BoogalooHZ | actually, the last demo we ever made |
| 13:55:05 | DexterAYS | yeah, we guys from abyss are now developing GBA games... go and get Maya The Bee - The Big Adventure, ingame coding: Dexter (me ;-), all other stuff: Bartman, Musics: Pink, GFX: Judas/Endzeit, Levels: Wintermute ;-) check out www.shinen.com and.. |
| 13:55:15 | DexterAYS | ,,go buy it... (or if you want leech it heheheh) |
| 13:55:59 | BoogalooHZ | cool. we never made any games |
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| 13:56:09 | | Nick BoogalooHZ is now known as Linus (~linus@193.15.23.131) |
| 13:57:12 | DexterAYS | well, gameboy coding is quite cool, you can to some hardware stuff etc. that's what we all liked on a500/c64 yeeeah, not pc directx games ;( |
| 13:57:50 | Linus | that's also why i like rockbox |
| 13:58:44 | DexterAYS | yeah me too, i like hardware projects, i'm just not very good at electronics (though i'Dm very interesed), but never learned all that stuff... |
| 13:59:02 | Linus | me neither |
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| 14:00:00 | DexterAYS | what i like to do is to build my own Pinball, i got a used one that doesn't work, build my own playfield, do my very own processor board, code the complete game with all the flippers etc. connected via relais, AND: for sound i wanna connect a SID |
| 14:00:55 | DexterAYS | just don't know what kinda display to use, and how to connect.. it's gotta be a big one of course, not an 20x4 display... |
| 14:00:57 | Linus | DexterAYS: my and Exilons last project was to do Pinball Fantasies for the C64 |
| 14:01:16 | Linus | but we never finished it |
| 14:01:22 | DexterAYS | cool!! .. did you start? |
| 14:01:23 | Linus | iwould have ROCKED, though |
| 14:01:51 | DexterAYS | i really liked the pinball series, i BOUGHT Pinball Illusions then for amiga, cause they really deserved it! |
| 14:01:57 | Linus | we had the ball bouncing, the board scrolling (bitmap scroll of course) |
| 14:02:22 | Linus | the flipper collision detection was hard |
| 14:02:46 | Linus | and the bouncing calculations were VERY time consuming |
| 14:03:05 | DexterAYS | and that on an c64 - you c64 coders just rock ;-) i did a rot/zoomer once, but it was not vey fast hahaha... |
| 14:03:11 | Linus | the original used 64 sample points around the ball and 32-bit arithmetics |
| 14:03:11 | DexterAYS | sure, on 1MHz ;( |
| 14:04:02 | DexterAYS | yeah i thout that with the sample points, and every sample point collided gave an impulse in the exact otherwise direction, right? and then all impulses from the 64points werde vector added, kinda? |
| 14:04:20 | Linus | not really |
| 14:04:33 | DexterAYS | do you have something you can show me form that pinball ? |
| 14:04:49 | Linus | we calculate an average angle from the points |
| 14:04:52 | DexterAYS | ;( bad guess form me |
| 14:05:23 | Linus | the problem is that we have to do the calculations very often |
| 14:05:32 | Linus | because of the ball speed |
| 14:06:08 | Linus | otherwise the ball would appear to have passed into the border |
| 14:06:13 | DexterAYS | so you don't move the ball the lets say 3 pix at once, but call the routine for one pixel 3 times... that kinda stuff? |
| 14:06:24 | Linus | sort of |
| 14:06:38 | Linus | well not sort of, exactly like that |
| 14:06:52 | DexterAYS | yeah, the same thing as i used in Maya The Bee (jump'n'run), did it the same way... |
| 14:06:55 | Linus | and no, i don't have anything to show you |
| 14:07:06 | Linus | that was 8 years ago |
| 14:07:26 | DexterAYS | take a look if you want: http://www.shinen.com/games/game.php3?maya |
| 14:08:15 | Linus | looks great! |
| 14:08:21 | Linus | i love 2D platform games |
| 14:08:25 | Linus | and i hate 3d |
| 14:08:39 | DexterAYS | wow - i'm impressed... really! i just like c64... hmmm. connecting an SID to some processor via memory mapping isn't that hard to layout? |
| 14:09:13 | Linus | pretty simple |
| 14:09:20 | Linus | depending on the CPu of course |
| 14:09:25 | DexterAYS | yeah me too, maya makes real fun, not only for 10year old kids...moe fun to me than 3d games, i don't wanna code 3d games also, so gba is quite cool... |
| 14:10:03 | DexterAYS | i do have to check the frequency, that's probably the main problem? |
| 14:10:21 | DexterAYS | (sorry my R doesn't work always...) |
| 14:11:22 | Linus | frequency is one problem |
| 14:11:28 | Linus | the bus interface is another |
| 14:11:29 | DexterAYS | the problem is the cpu haveinmg 8 MHz and the SID needs 1Mhz ? |
| 14:11:34 | DexterAYS | ah okay... |
| 14:11:46 | Linus | but i guess the SID isn't that strange |
| 14:12:03 | DexterAYS | that would be too cool, a real pinball with sid sound ;-)) |
| 14:12:10 | Linus | i think you can connect it to just about any CPU |
| 14:12:12 | DexterAYS | what country are you from? |
| 14:12:18 | Linus | that accepts 5V I/O |
| 14:14:42 | DexterAYS | can you giveme your email-addy, so i can tell you ideas about the UI and what else i found out when testing the rockbox... |
| 14:15:53 | DexterAYS | and what you REALL could implement, no joke: SID-support, just thought about it... or do all data have to go through the MAS?.. that would be toooo cool... so i have to MP3 them, but that's also okay... |
| 14:19:00 | Linus | DexterAYS: all data has to go through the MAS |
| 14:19:29 | Linus | it is possible to reprogram the MAS (it is a DSP) but we have no documentation |
| 14:19:57 | Linus | the CPU is very slow, so the SID emulation will probably suck |
| 14:20:13 | Linus | DexterAYS: you should join the mailing list |
| 14:20:42 | Linus | i am swedish, by the way |
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| 14:20:59 | Linus | hi liam_! |
| 14:21:03 | | Nick liam_ is now known as jedix` (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) |
| 14:21:07 | jedix` | hey |
| 14:21:11 | Linus | yo! |
| 14:21:12 | jedix` | whats up? |
| 14:21:19 | jedix` | how the project going? |
| 14:21:31 | Linus | forward, i hope :-) |
| 14:21:54 | jedix` | hehe |
| 14:22:11 | Linus | i have been working on the MP3 loading for a week now |
| 14:22:47 | Linus | my MP3 loading fixes combined with Björns ATA deep sleep is a pain |
| 14:23:22 | Linus | we had to raise the low water mark considerably |
| 14:23:42 | Linus | bit i believe that it works quite Ok now |
| 14:24:47 | DexterAYS | linus: okay, i'll do. but SID emulation worked on 7 MHz a500.. hmm okay, you'd have to mix the channel, a500 didn't have to.. but wouldn't work anyway as you had to go through the mas... ;( |
| 14:25:34 | Linus | yeah, going through the MAS has some drawbacks |
| 14:25:57 | DexterAYS | damn, 2002 and the thing can't play SIDs ;-))))) |
| 14:26:01 | Linus | low sampling frequency |
| 14:26:26 | Hes | Whoa, my recorder 20 just started acting up |
| 14:26:33 | Linus | ? |
| 14:26:37 | Hes | it's running out of battery (looking at the indicator in the bottom) |
| 14:26:42 | Hes | i told it to play a directory |
| 14:26:54 | Linus | and the file names just flicker by...? |
| 14:26:59 | Hes | it tried to play all songs one by one, but didn't play any (probably couldn't spin up the disk) |
| 14:27:11 | Linus | and tried the next one...and the next... |
| 14:27:18 | Hes | Maybe a warning about dead battery & shutdown might be in order |
| 14:27:22 | Hes | Yes, that's right. |
| 14:27:39 | Linus | Hes: yes, a shutdown would be good in that case |
| 14:28:04 | Linus | but the units behave differently in low battery situations |
| 14:28:11 | Hes | Right. |
| 14:28:14 | Linus | and you do want to play until the bitter end |
| 14:28:23 | DexterAYS | well, archos doesn't a too good low-battery-auto shutdown, too... so well, ppl are used to recognize when the batt seems to be low ;-) |
| 14:28:46 | Linus | i don't want a low-battery-shutdown |
| 14:29:17 | Linus | the unit shuts off when the level goes below ~4.5V |
| 14:29:56 | Linus | but the hard drives require 4.75 according to the specs |
| 14:30:38 | DexterAYS | i think it's okay with no autoshut off... how does archos get the value for the battery display? that never ight when just tuned on... |
| 14:31:21 | Linus | i guess they calculate an average over time |
| 14:32:05 | DexterAYS | they have an input A->D converter from the battery somehow!? |
| 14:32:09 | Linus | when we implement file system writes, we will write-protect the drive if the voltage goes below 4.75V |
| 14:32:36 | Linus | DexterAYS: yes, the CPU has 8 A/D inputs |
| 14:33:45 | Linus | they are used for different things, like battery meter, USB detection and the reading of the keys |
| 14:34:04 | DexterAYS | where does archos save the values like random seed etc. ? if the batt is low, the seed wonD't saved anymore, so the same order comes when playing the same playlist after power off and on... |
| 14:36:26 | Linus | the playes saves its settings in sector 62 on the hard drive |
| 14:36:29 | DexterAYS | my mp3-files are named like [artist]-songname.mp3 . displaying artist in the first line and songname in the second line, or alternating artist/songname on the one single line.. that would be cool ;-) (for me, maybe some of those formats can be... |
| 14:36:54 | DexterAYS | ...implemented and selected via menu? (or things lie " - " or what ppl use...) |
| 14:37:10 | Linus | we have thought of that |
| 14:37:48 | Linus | but every discussion ends when we discover how many ways the file naming can be done |
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| 14:38:26 | Linus | some people use a directory hierarchy instead |
| 14:38:29 | DexterAYS | you guys are cool (do i repeat myself? ;-) ... yes, sure. but some presets would be cool? |
| 14:38:46 | Linus | indeed. care to do it? |
| 14:40:13 | DexterAYS | hmm sure i can... it's a part that can be developed quite individually... so, i get the filename and return something.. and well, i get probably a setting from the settings menu (Auto, "[]-", " - ", etc.) |
| 14:40:15 | Hadaka | puh, ETOOMANYPROJECTS, it would be so nice to invest time in rockbox |
| 14:40:37 | Linus | Hadaka: i know the feeling |
| 14:41:00 | Linus | DexterAYS: something like that |
| 14:41:57 | DexterAYS | that'd be very cool, if someone doesnt' want to use it, it can be switched off, and if some one has such a naming, he can use it, why not.... |
| 14:43:14 | Linus | yeah, as long as it isn't polluting the code... |
| 14:43:44 | DexterAYS | and we can the user select if he wants 2 lines for artist/songname, or if he wants 1 line alternating with time display, or 1 line scrolling with time display... ? |
| 14:44:00 | Linus | sort of |
| 14:44:14 | DexterAYS | should be possibly to code so it isn't polluting the code, hopefully... |
| 14:44:18 | Linus | and we could extend it to the dir browser as well |
| 14:44:48 | Linus | so that it can list the song name before the artist, so you don't have to wait for the scroll to start |
| 14:45:30 | DexterAYS | or in 2 lines!? so there's just no place for file 5 of 10 andsoone... |
| 14:46:37 | DexterAYS | i'll go think about all that stuff, now i can really fix what bugged me (besides the stuff you guys fixed already... i'm so happy bout that m3u loading...) |
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| 14:47:06 | Linus | do you have a cross development environment up? |
| 14:47:20 | Linus | so you can build the rockbox |
| 14:47:26 | Linus | hi lohap! |
| 14:47:34 | lohap | hi |
| 14:47:40 | DexterAYS | so you know why archos loaded the playlists that way? they seem to have seeked to every mp3, the farer away from the playlist-file on the hdd, the more seeking was needed... loading got slower and slower the more files it read. |
| 14:47:56 | DexterAYS | no (not yet). |
| 14:48:12 | Linus | i have no idea what they are doing. i guess they try to verify the existence of them all |
| 14:48:16 | DexterAYS | "do" not "so" |
| 14:48:35 | DexterAYS | stupid, at the cost of loading time..arrrrgg |
| 14:48:53 | lohap | i just instqalled rockbox on my recorder 20 and i must amit i am impressed |
| 14:49:01 | Linus | lohap: thanks |
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| 14:49:35 | lohap | well done to say that unlike argos u are developing it on no budget |
| 14:50:11 | Linus | lohap: i think our lack of budget is one of the reasons we have gone this far |
| 14:50:28 | DexterAYS | lohap, yeah one could think it was the other way ;) |
| 14:50:48 | lohap | lol |
| 14:50:55 | Linus | we don't do thinks half-hearted just because we have a deadline |
| 14:51:07 | Linus | we want to do it right |
| 14:51:22 | DexterAYS | well, they had the deadline: the first release, but HEY: that's some years behind!!! |
| 14:51:35 | lohap | yea i must admit the interface aint as pritty as argos but the features are alot better |
| 14:52:00 | Linus | they are a small company, and they have several products to support/develop |
| 14:52:00 | lohap | and it runs alot quicker so itll do me |
| 14:52:12 | DexterAYS | lohap: it aint's finshed yet... |
| 14:52:20 | Linus | lohap: yeah, then interface needs brudhing up |
| 14:52:24 | Linus | brushing |
| 14:52:28 | lohap | yea i know its just in beta |
| 14:52:37 | Linus | it will be in beta forever |
| 14:52:40 | DexterAYS | linus: yes, but that's no excuse!? |
| 14:53:17 | lohap | hehe this is a crazy idea plus im a newbie so it may not be possible but why not go for a icon driven interface |
| 14:53:30 | DexterAYS | but don't forget: archos is alpha in my opinion =) |
| 14:53:37 | lohap | heheh lol |
| 14:54:12 | Linus | lohap: is would be possible for the recorder, but not the Player... |
| 14:54:31 | lohap | yea the recorder has a larger lcd |
| 14:54:39 | DexterAYS | i want an WinXP GUI........ hell NOOOOO! ;-) |
| 14:54:44 | Linus | you can connect a keyboard or a mouse instead of the remote control |
| 14:54:56 | webmind | re |
| 14:55:17 | Linus | webmind is alive! |
| 14:55:22 | webmind | uhm |
| 14:55:24 | webmind | yes |
| 14:55:25 | lohap | lol ircing through my jukebox lol |
| 14:55:25 | webmind | am now |
| 14:55:30 | webmind | lohap, ??? |
| 14:56:04 | lohap | joke lol i must admint i typed it abit late |
| 14:57:13 | DexterAYS | linus: can i develop on win2000 or should i install linux for all the cvs stuff and gnu compiler...? |
| 14:57:24 | Linus | DexterAYS: you can use win2k |
| 14:57:32 | Linus | but linux is to prefer |
| 14:57:53 | Linus | use cygwin on win2k |
| 14:57:58 | DexterAYS | cool ;-).. hmm can the display be driven pixel by pixel? (so we could do a SNAKE like nokia heheheheh) |
| 14:58:11 | DexterAYS | but first i'll do the names stuff... |
| 14:58:27 | Linus | DexterAYS: the Playes is character only, the recorder is pixel based |
| 14:58:38 | Linus | we have Tetris and Sokoban for the recorder |
| 14:58:52 | Linus | still waiting for someone to do the Snake |
| 14:59:25 | DexterAYS | okay, no snake, but that doesn't really MATTER... okay, i'll try to set up the stuff so i can compile and use cvs functions... |
| 14:59:37 | lohap | what language does the recorder run on |
| 14:59:51 | DexterAYS | hey i did an "snake" on amiga, was my first "game", i put it as secret part in one of our music-disks ;-) |
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| 15:00:23 | DexterAYS | linus: do you guys plan to do multilanguage? (i don't think someone needs that..) |
| 15:00:53 | DexterAYS | linus: how does the base/treble work? is it done by the MAS? |
| 15:01:37 | elinenbe | moring all |
| 15:01:41 | Linus | morn |
| 15:01:54 | Linus | DexterAYS: multilanguage will be supported |
| 15:01:56 | Linus | some day |
| 15:02:08 | elinenbe | an icon driven interface would be great. I keep thinking Nokia phone here (or iriver mp3CD players) |
| 15:02:09 | Linus | bass/treble is done by the MAS |
| 15:02:31 | Linus | personally i don't like icon driven interfaces |
| 15:02:32 | elinenbe | that would take up a bit of room, but it would kick some major ass. |
| 15:02:35 | lohap | yea sort of a nokia interface would be great |
| 15:02:52 | elinenbe | Linus: you still use lynx to browes the web though :) |
| 15:02:59 | Linus | because it is so hard to draw icons that everyone understands |
| 15:03:36 | lohap | well by trade im a graphics designer for websites so i could help with that |
| 15:04:16 | Linus | and what icons would we need? The major part of the interface is based on file names anyway |
| 15:04:22 | DexterAYS | we also got pixel artists of course.. well, small icons like that on player: playlsit, song, etc. are okay, but not too much iconing... |
| 15:04:45 | DexterAYS | i want a movie to be played in the background.. er.. no. |
| 15:04:54 | lohap | well the f1 could open up a icon driven menu |
| 15:04:56 | Linus | lohap: the rockbox project is 99% C and 1% assembly |
| 15:05:23 | Linus | icons representing what? |
| 15:05:40 | DexterAYS | lohap: i don't have f1 *sniff* on my player ;) |
| 15:06:10 | lohap | well playlist editor, games, sound, things like that more to make it pritty and vv userfriendly |
| 15:06:22 | elinenbe | sound settings/games/clock/play mode/etc. |
| 15:06:26 | lohap | yea |
| 15:06:36 | DexterAYS | linus: got some screenshot of what fix-icons on the player are in the lcd? (fo me designing the selector, song.display, etc.) ? |
| 15:07:28 | lohap | why not wack a vote on the page so that the people who use the program can shape the way its going |
| 15:08:26 | DexterAYS | well, better invest the work on the code? and let some designated ppl care about that? |
| 15:08:57 | lohap | yea i suppose solid code now pritty pictures next |
| 15:10:03 | DexterAYS | yes, and i'll try to care about the filename splitting/display, that's something that i missed on archos, haveing lots a files name [Huey Lewis and the News]-blabla, waiting on each title to scroll to the songname took too much time... |
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| 15:10:26 | DexterAYS | too bad i'm on my vacation from 2nd august.. |
| 15:11:07 | DexterAYS | i'll try to think over it anyway and let you guys know... |
| 15:11:56 | Linus | hi PiotR! |
| 15:12:35 | lohap | o btw how come rockbox dosnt support shuffle in playlists |
| 15:12:46 | DexterAYS | it does! |
| 15:13:05 | DexterAYS | select in the menu worked fine for me... |
| 15:13:24 | lohap | shuffle is set to yes |
| 15:13:30 | lohap | and when i press |
| 15:13:38 | DexterAYS | strange... lemme check |
| 15:14:04 | lohap | 6 its goes in order |
| 15:14:31 | DexterAYS | linus: can the power-on sequence be changed? i guess no, it's in the ROM-firmware?! |
| 15:14:45 | Linus | DexterAYS: what do you mean |
| 15:15:06 | lohap | btw im using archos20020722.ajz |
| 15:15:29 | DexterAYS | you gotta press for 2 seconds... |
| 15:15:59 | Linus | that is hardware controlled |
| 15:16:03 | lohap | are that fixed it |
| 15:16:04 | DexterAYS | damn ;) |
| 15:16:31 | DexterAYS | now it doesn't play anything when loaded the playlist... what happened now? |
| 15:16:52 | Linus | DexterAYS: battery status? |
| 15:17:23 | lohap | btw there is a bug if u hold 6 down for 2 second and do it again before the song has loaded it gets stuck in a load |
| 15:17:25 | DexterAYS | linus: i can load single mp3s, they play.. |
| 15:17:29 | lohap | loop- |
| 15:18:04 | Linus | lohap: on the recorder? |
| 15:18:08 | lohap | and now its started playing again lol u got to love beta's lol |
| 15:18:09 | lohap | yea |
| 15:19:04 | Linus | lohap: you hold the DOWN key ? |
| 15:19:38 | lohap | i held it down for 2 second and then press it again it went around ten track then started to play then went round about another ten tracks |
| 15:19:50 | lohap | now its playing again |
| 15:20:07 | Linus | lohap: you must mean the RIGHT key |
| 15:20:44 | lohap | yea 6the right one |
| 15:21:29 | Linus | that is because the key repeats, but the Ui thread dosn't get the messages from the key interrupt |
| 15:21:44 | Linus | because the disk loading takes all CPU time |
| 15:22:10 | Linus | when the disk loading is done, it serves all pending key events |
| 15:22:39 | lohap | with my limit knowledge i understand |
| 15:22:41 | Linus | the disk loading is a pain in the %&Ī! |
| 15:23:07 | Linus | another example of lousy hardware design |
| 15:23:50 | Linus | or rather, the interface between the CPU and the MAS leaves room for enhancement... |
| 15:25:23 | DexterAYS | does your playlist loader ignore the "#..." entries in WinAMP playlists? |
| 15:27:00 | DexterAYS | linus: how can i skip to the next mp3 when in playlist play mode?? |
| 15:27:42 | DexterAYS | linus: and do you plan the volume setting like archos? ON and +/- ? |
| 15:27:44 | | Nick dwihno|gone0r is now known as dwihno (dwihno@193.180.246.67) |
| 15:29:48 | dwihno | Hello hello! :-) |
| 15:32:14 | DexterAYS | linus: how do you get random seeds if you don't save something to disk? |
| 15:33:12 | Hadaka | hmm |
| 15:33:40 | Hadaka | disk loading takes all CPU time? was this about archos or rockbox? |
| 15:34:44 | Linus | Hadaka: archos and rockbox |
| 15:34:52 | Linus | hi dwihno |
| 15:35:22 | Hadaka | hm |
| 15:35:28 | Linus | DexterAYS: no, we don't ignore # what i can see |
| 15:35:41 | Hadaka | so - is there any way to make the interface responsive during disk loadings? |
| 15:35:46 | Linus | Hadaka: we do yield() once in a while |
| 15:36:14 | Hadaka | ok so there's no hardware problem with it, only software? |
| 15:36:15 | Linus | yes, we can make the interface responsive, at the cost of slower load |
| 15:36:33 | Hadaka | good |
| 15:36:49 | Linus | and we have gone through fire and water to reduce the load times |
| 15:37:31 | Hadaka | yeah so I've gathered - which is a good thing |
| 15:37:40 | Linus | DexterAYS: whay would we have to save to disk to get a random seed? |
| 15:38:08 | Linus | DexterAYS: just press LEFt and RIGHT to go back/forward in the play list while playing |
| 15:38:22 | DexterAYS | linus: hmm well, the current random seed.... hmm how do you get the random values then? |
| 15:38:44 | elinenbe | there is a bug in the current CVS: when I scroll down a few screen lenghts of folders, and then I press right to enter a folder, a new cursor appears on the top line, and then nothing happens (it is hard to reproduce though) |
| 15:38:46 | Linus | currently, we reseed every time you start the playlist |
| 15:38:47 | Hes | linus: I almost implemented the AVC this morning |
| 15:38:55 | elinenbe | this is on AJBR6 |
| 15:39:00 | Linus | Hes: COOL! |
| 15:39:02 | Hes | while i was doing the loudness |
| 15:39:13 | Hes | But didn't after all. Seems very straightforward to do though. |
| 15:40:25 | Linus | DexterAYS: the plan is to save the seed and the playlist position |
| 15:40:26 | DexterAYS | linus: when i load the playlist several times, there's only 2 songs he selects to start from... |
| 15:40:54 | Linus | that's bad |
| 15:41:07 | Linus | how long is the list |
| 15:41:08 | DexterAYS | kinda ;-) |
| 15:41:24 | DexterAYS | 1638 files.. but there's some # lines from winamp in it, should i try without? |
| 15:41:36 | Linus | yes |
| 15:43:01 | DexterAYS | it's always the first or the second song! |
| 15:43:21 | dwihno | hmm |
| 15:43:24 | DexterAYS | those lines from winamp are: |
| 15:43:24 | DexterAYS | #EXTM3U |
| 15:43:25 | DexterAYS | #EXTINF:67,01 [Van Halen]-1984 |
| 15:43:25 | dwihno | good random code ;-) |
| 15:43:38 | DexterAYS | maybe he gets confused... |
| 15:43:42 | dwihno | Didn't someone add # comment style preventing code earlier? |
| 15:44:00 | Linus | it sure isn't handled in the playlist code |
| 15:44:32 | Linus | oh, it is. i see it now |
| 15:45:12 | DexterAYS | anyway i'll test without... one mom |
| 15:46:13 | elinenbe | how long has volume been implemented on the WPS screen? |
| 15:47:16 | DexterAYS | now again it doesnt play anything at all... sory moment... |
| 15:47:26 | DexterAYS | didnt change to archos input in my amp. ;( |
| 15:47:40 | Linus | elinenbe: for ages |
| 15:49:10 | DexterAYS | linus: alsways the 1st or 2nd song ;( |
| 15:49:17 | Hes | "ages" being very relative 8-) |
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| 15:49:35 | DexterAYS | don't tell me i have to use the archos firm again ;( |
| 15:49:58 | Linus | DexterAYS: but the rest of the list plays ok, right? |
| 15:51:48 | DexterAYS | linus: what u mean? i can't skip songs, after the playlist is loaded it gets back to the fileselector menu |
| 15:52:12 | Linus | DexterAYS: what? |
| 15:52:28 | Linus | what firmware are you using? |
| 15:53:00 | DexterAYS | rockbox-1.1-player.mod |
| 15:53:05 | Linus | ah... |
| 15:53:10 | matp|work|away | quick question to anyone. i may have asked this before. does the archos recharge the batteries in usb mode? |
| 15:53:24 | Linus | you should try the latest daily build instead |
| 15:53:35 | DexterAYS | okay, ill get it mom |
| 15:53:56 | Hadaka | matp|work|away: yes |
| 15:54:45 | | Nick matp|work|away is now known as matp|work (~mpritch@gateway.riversoft.com) |
| 15:54:48 | matp|work | thanks |
| 15:55:54 | dwihno | Linus: how is the work with the battery loading part progressing? |
| 16:00 |
| 16:03:47 | DexterAYS | linus: do you have real Shuffle, or just random (shuffle would mean when playing the complete playlist once, every song plays exactly once)? |
| 16:04:08 | DexterAYS | all: when will options saving come? |
| 16:04:44 | Hes | options are saved on the recorder already, they will be saved on the players when disk writing is enabled |
| 16:05:34 | DexterAYS | hey cool, last song (-) REALLY plays the last song.... fine! |
| 16:05:54 | DexterAYS | hes: what's the difference in saving to disk on recorder/player? |
| 16:07:08 | Hadaka | the recorder doesn't need to save to disk |
| 16:07:28 | Hadaka | the recorder has a few bytes of RAM on the RTC chip that can be used for settings |
| 16:07:35 | Hadaka | the player has no RTC |
| 16:08:19 | DexterAYS | ah okay, now i see.. i think we all should throw our players away and buy recorders, would mamke it much easier for you to develop rockbox ,-) |
| 16:11:05 | DexterAYS | can i patch my startup-options (volume, random) somewhere in the .mod file (as long as no option saving is there) ?.. o maybe i can compile a version, must try to install cygwin anyway... |
| 16:16:05 | | Nick DexterAYS is now known as DexterAYSlunchin (wodokm@131.159.4.220) |
| 16:21:16 | Linus | DexterAYSlunchin: it is a shuffle |
| 16:22:07 | Linus | dwihno: the charging stuff is idle at the moment |
| 16:22:16 | * | Linus goes for coffee |
| 16:28:13 | Linus | has any of you had any pitch problems on your Player? |
| 16:28:56 | DexterAYSlunchin | linus: whad you mean? playing ata to high frequency? |
| 16:29:09 | Hes | There, wrote the AVC code, will try it out tomorrow morning... |
| 16:29:13 | DexterAYSlunchin | linus: great with the shuffle, even winamp has only random... |
| 16:29:37 | Linus | yeah. some people have complained about songs being played at a slightly too high pitch/frequency |
| 16:30:11 | Linus | shuffle is the only way to go if you want to step back in random mode |
| 16:30:21 | DexterAYSlunchin | linus: how should that happen? the mas outputs at the fixed fequency... hmmmm |
| 16:30:51 | DexterAYSlunchin | linus: right, or you have to remind the former songs... |
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| 16:51:29 | DexterAYS | hey dudes: now i installed cygwin, what's next? the cross-compilers? where do i get them fo cygwin? |
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| 16:59:08 | Linus | DexterAYS: you build them |
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| 17:18:32 | Linus | DexterAYS: building the compiler? |
| 17:38:55 | DexterAYS | linus: hmm... how can i build the compiler, without the compiler? |
| 17:39:23 | Linus | doesn't cygwin include the compiler? |
| 17:40:02 | Hadaka | you need to compile gcc for sh-elf with gcc for i386 |
| 17:41:02 | Linus | DexterAYS: cygwin whould include a native gcc compiler |
| 17:41:06 | Linus | should |
| 17:41:20 | Linus | you use that one to build the cross compiler |
| 17:41:57 | Linus | http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html |
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| 18:00:36 | DexterAYS | $ gcc |
| 18:00:39 | DexterAYS | bash: gcc: command not found |
| 18:01:09 | DexterAYS | so no gcc included... |
| 18:02:03 | Linus | wierd. did you install some kind of lightweight version of vygwin? |
| 18:03:05 | Linus | perhaps the default installation doesn't install the compiler |
| 18:10:30 | DexterAYS | hmm i'll check that.. but, okay, when i have the gcc, i can compile the cross-compile, and then i also need cvs, right!?!! |
| 18:11:07 | Linus | yes indeed. maybe there is a cygwin port of cvs? |
| 18:11:20 | Linus | otherwise you have to use wincvs |
| 18:12:50 | Linus | Hes: I'm about to commit your patch |
| 18:13:26 | DexterAYS | okay, i'll check that out.. thx so far, i'm off! |
| 18:13:39 | Linus | bye DexterAYS! |
| 18:14:42 | DexterAYS | 2.95 or 3.1 gcc version? |
| 18:17:00 | Linus | 3.1 |
| 18:17:32 | DexterAYS | okay bye now ;-) |
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| 18:37:11 | Linus | yo mecraw! |
| 18:37:20 | mecraw | Hi! |
| 18:37:48 | Linus | wazzup? |
| 18:38:00 | mecraw | Just getting ready to move. |
| 18:39:21 | mecraw | Are you back from vacation now? |
| 18:41:20 | Linus | yes |
| 18:41:51 | mecraw | I hope it was restful. |
| 18:42:45 | mecraw | I put the latest build on my ajbr last night, the new mpeg.c stuff seems to work on it now! |
| 18:44:06 | Linus | you mean the loading problems? |
| 18:44:48 | mecraw | It used to stop after 70 seconds on my ~200kbit vbr files |
| 18:45:09 | mecraw | but it worked great last night for an hour straight |
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| 18:46:20 | Linus | that's great! |
| 18:47:44 | Linus | have anyone noticed any battery lifetime changes since mine and Zagors changes? |
| 18:48:06 | Linus | (what a silly sentence) |
| 18:48:12 | mecraw | mine seems to be better now, i can't quantify it though |
| 18:48:45 | mecraw | i should have some numbers next week after my 18 hour road trip :) |
| 18:49:00 | Linus | mine still gets warm when i keep it in the blue...whatsitcalled...pouch? |
| 18:49:08 | Linus | bag? |
| 18:49:13 | dwihno|gone | pouch |
| 18:49:19 | dwihno|gone | or bag :) |
| 18:49:21 | dwihno|gone | pouchbag |
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| 18:49:37 | Linus | baoch? |
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| 18:49:45 | Linus | pag? |
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| 19:00:43 | Linus | well, time to go home |
| 19:00:56 | Linus | cu all later this evening! |
| 19:01:15 | mecraw | bye |
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| 19:12:18 | lohap | hi al |
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| 19:34:40 | ironi__ | hey ppl |
| 19:35:21 | ironi__ | i forgot to bring my charger for my jb6000 on vacation, sonow i got myself a new one |
| 19:35:33 | ironi__ | it can do 1.5-12, and ives 1 A |
| 19:35:35 | ironi__ | gives |
| 19:36:00 | ironi__ | i guess i need to set it to 9V but i have no clue what polarity it is supposed to have |
| 19:36:07 | ironi__ | anyone alive to tell me? |
| 19:36:44 | ironi__ | Hadaka: u alive? |
| 19:37:05 | ironi__ | edx ? |
| 19:39:58 | ironi__ | damn. |
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| 21:02:57 | elinenbe | http://www.edig.com/news/releases/pr072202.html |
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| 22:40:30 | USAG33k | hello? |
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| 22:50:15 | geoffeg | HELLO SIR CAPTAIN SIR! |
| 22:50:22 | geoffeg | SALUT! |
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| 22:54:54 | USAG33k | haha |
| 22:54:57 | USAG33k | so like, yeah |
| 22:56:02 | USAG33k | ummm, i phjear the l337ness of rockbox |
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| 23:43:54 | Linus | yo! |
| 23:48:30 | elinenbe | yo!yo! |
| 23:49:18 | Linus | wazzup? |
| 23:54:13 | USAG33k | ? |
| 23:54:18 | USAG33k | werd to your respective mothers |
| 23:56:08 | Linus | does any of you still have problems with high-bitrate files? |
| 23:57:09 | USAG33k | at this point, i am having trouble with it recognizing my files |
| 23:57:23 | USAG33k | like, perhaps it's that, but it won't read out files with uppercase first letters |
| 23:57:24 | Linus | ? |
| 23:57:39 | USAG33k | i haven't done too much research yet, working and such |
| 23:57:46 | USAG33k | just noticed it yesterday with the latest build |
| 23:58:31 | USAG33k | i would like to become part of the project, my C skillz are lacking though |
| 23:58:39 | USAG33k | so for now i am just going to be listening in |
| 23:58:53 | elinenbe | go buy the book by kerrigan and richie |
| 23:59:20 | USAG33k | what is it titled? |
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