| 00:00:29 | Linus | louder and more bass with stock firmware? |
| 00:00:39 | mistaRx | yeah |
| 00:00:51 | mistaRx | with no distortion |
| 00:01:22 | Linus | ok, and you mean louder as in loud, not louder in percent? |
| 00:01:54 | mistaRx | in loud, not louder in percent |
| 00:02:04 | Linus | most people say that the stock firmware has a lower max volume that rockbox |
| 00:03:08 | mistaRx | that may be true but I still think u get distortion at lower levels on the rockbox |
| 00:04:44 | Linus | ok, try downloading again (new test) |
| 00:05:18 | mistaRx | with sound improvements?! |
| 00:05:24 | mistaRx | or what?! |
| 00:05:30 | Linus | of course |
| 00:05:42 | mistaRx | najs! |
| 00:05:48 | Linus | and do you still get a different pitch ? |
| 00:06:18 | mistaRx | not 100% sure, maybe an "inbillning" |
| 00:06:34 | Linus | ok |
| 00:10:12 | mistaRx | but it sure feel like it's 20%(or something) slower.. |
| 00:15:57 | Linus | so is there any difference in distortion? |
| 00:16:33 | mistaRx | between stock & rockbox?! |
| 00:16:46 | Linus | between my old test and the new test |
| 00:17:24 | mistaRx | <−−−−−−-stupid guy, it's the same address.. |
| 00:26:39 | mistaRx | well, not as good as the stock firmware(not hearing any difference, sorry) |
| 00:27:10 | Linus | ok, it was just a test |
| 00:27:54 | mistaRx | try yourself on your 3.18 hardware mod unit.. |
| 00:29:23 | Linus | yes, i get distortion when i crank the volume |
| 00:31:16 | Linus | but no pitch shift |
| 00:33:25 | mistaRx | u sure, have u compared the MAS shit(may be useless but just tried to remind u.. if it would help) |
| 00:34:17 | Linus | i compare between my recorder and my player |
| 00:35:09 | mistaRx | ok, and what was the resultin a non-programmer translated language |
| 00:35:46 | Linus | eeeh...they have the same pitch when i play music on them... |
| 00:36:29 | mistaRx | try with the stock firmware on one! |
| 00:42:35 | mistaRx | and post the result here.. =) |
| 00:42:49 | Linus | well, i have to go to bed now. Thanks for you helk so far |
| 00:42:54 | Linus | help |
| 00:43:09 | mistaRx | ok, natti natti |
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| 02:02:26 | ulrik | ls -la |
| 02:02:38 | ulrik | !help |
| 02:05:13 | ulrik | !list |
| 02:05:25 | ulrik | @find warez |
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| 02:53:41 | lithermon | o tgv |
| 02:54:02 | lithermon | hello |
| 02:54:29 | lithermon | i found a bug anyway |
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| 03:00:16 | lithermon | ok so its a stupid bug but when you try to load a nemptpy playlist you get flashing red light |
| 03:00:30 | lithermon | I09:CPUAdrEr |
| 03:00:42 | lithermon | at 694D69CD |
| 03:01:09 | lithermon | who would want to load an empty playlist i dont know |
| 03:03:07 | lithermon | well i hope you found that useful |
| 03:03:58 | lithermon | you guys have put in a wcked effort to get this box of rock working :) |
| 03:04:15 | lithermon | thanks v much |
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| 03:24:17 | geoffeg | anyone here used the jukebox in OS X? |
| 03:25:38 | lithermon | whas the hell os x ? |
| 03:26:06 | geoffeg | Mac OS 10 |
| 03:26:19 | lithermon | ive never used a mac in my life sorry |
| 03:26:24 | geoffeg | NP |
| 03:26:32 | lithermon | heh heh :) |
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| 03:27:40 | lithermon | i found a bug in the daily build, im well proud |
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| 12:27:59 | Linus | yippie!!!! |
| 12:28:40 | Linus | finally i have reproduced the distortion on my own player as well!!!! |
| 12:37:59 | PsycoXul_ | cool, how? |
| 12:38:21 | PsycoXul_ | heh my parents just got new hardware, so i get a handmedown 1ghz athlon (o: |
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| 12:39:38 | Linus | There was a bug in mas_run(), so the decoder was never restarted on some units |
| 12:39:46 | PsycoXul_ | hmm |
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| 12:41:44 | Linus | when mas_run() works, my unit also gets distortion |
| 12:42:50 | PsycoXul | hmm heh |
| 12:43:09 | PsycoXul | interesting |
| 12:44:02 | PsycoXul | i'm probably gonna have to take this box here down tonight... :/ |
| 12:44:04 | PsycoXul | 3:42am up 267 days, 19:40, 3 users, load average: 0.13, 0.11, 0.09 |
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| 12:47:58 | Linus | PsycoXul: are you able to reproduce your problem right now? |
| 12:49:17 | PsycoXul | the distortion i get, you mean? and with old rockbox, today's build, latest cvs, ... |
| 12:49:35 | PsycoXul | old rockbox being whatever day or few old version i got on there atm |
| 12:49:36 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 12:50:47 | PsycoXul | today's build is the same as current cvs isn't it? |
| 12:50:53 | Linus | yes |
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| 12:52:54 | PsycoXul | well with what i'm already running on there all i have to do is play a song with much bass and the default sound settings to get distortion |
| 12:53:18 | Linus | but is it worse than the stock firmware? |
| 12:53:31 | Linus | we play louder in general |
| 12:53:45 | PsycoXul | i've never gotten distortion with the stock firmware, besides overdriving my headphones turning the volume all the way up |
| 12:53:55 | PsycoXul | which is a different kind of distortion than what i'm getting with rockbox |
| 12:54:17 | PsycoXul | this distortion happens even with the volume are barely audible levels |
| 12:54:24 | Linus | is the distortion sound something like loud "clicking"? |
| 12:54:28 | PsycoXul | yes |
| 12:54:33 | Linus | ok, i got it |
| 12:54:52 | Linus | are you able to test an experimental firmware for me? |
| 12:55:34 | PsycoXul | lemme see if i can mount my jb with the box i just setup.. it should |
| 12:58:11 | PsycoXul | yeah i can |
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| 13:00:01 | Linus | hang on, i'll just test on my own box first |
| 13:00:27 | Linus | 1ghz athlon...nice |
| 13:00:54 | PsycoXul | yeah, it'll be a nice change from the p166 OC'd to 200 i'm forced to use 90% of the time now heh |
| 13:02:22 | PsycoXul | my mom got herself an athlon XP 1900, 128mb geforce3 with tv-out, and 512mb DDR ram, plus a new MB which doesn't work and we need to take back tomorrow for a replacement |
| 13:02:36 | Linus | hehe |
| 13:02:54 | Linus | i have an athlon xp 1800, it rocks |
| 13:03:41 | Linus | damn, our web hotel is down... |
| 13:05:51 | Linus | http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod |
| 13:06:31 | Linus | ...and check the pitch too |
| 13:07:15 | PsycoXul | ok |
| 13:07:52 | Linus | the sad thing is that Micronas are like everybody else |
| 13:08:09 | Linus | and really suck at documenting things |
| 13:08:19 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 13:08:27 | Linus | i am equally bad at documenting... |
| 13:08:35 | PsycoXul | whoops |
| 13:08:49 | PsycoXul | its a newer player |
| 13:08:57 | Linus | sorry, lemme try again |
| 13:08:58 | PsycoXul | but thats ok, i know the first song in the first dir usualy causes distortion bad |
| 13:10:28 | PsycoXul | yeah still get it |
| 13:10:38 | Linus | badness |
| 13:11:04 | PsycoXul | i think it sounds more clicky less loud though... |
| 13:11:04 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 13:11:47 | PsycoXul | i dunno that could be subjective |
| 13:33:49 | Linus | PsycoXul: Try again - http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod |
| 13:34:02 | Linus | and pay attention to the startup messages |
| 13:34:16 | PsycoXul | woo, there's startup messages? |
| 13:34:30 | Linus | debug messages |
| 13:34:46 | PsycoXul | ah |
| 13:34:47 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 13:35:48 | PsycoXul | ok well it was still double-height, mas: 0601 |
| 13:36:08 | PsycoXul | listening now |
| 13:36:16 | PsycoXul | so far there isn't |
| 13:36:19 | PsycoXul | which there was before |
| 13:36:25 | PsycoXul | but it hasn't gotten really into it yet |
| 13:37:08 | PsycoXul | nope, no distortion |
| 13:37:13 | Linus | wow |
| 13:37:21 | PsycoXul | woo |
| 13:37:24 | Linus | notice any pitch difference? |
| 13:37:27 | PsycoXul | even if i turn the bass all the way up |
| 13:38:52 | PsycoXul | not that i can tell.. |
| 13:39:15 | Linus | yeah, i know it's hard to tell |
| 13:39:34 | Linus | but it should be correct now |
| 13:39:50 | PsycoXul | it sounds good to me heh |
| 13:41:04 | Linus | BTW, did you know that there are both 12MHz and 11.0592MHz Recorders out there? :-) |
| 13:41:24 | Linus | that sucks a lot |
| 13:41:48 | PsycoXul | hah |
| 13:53:23 | Linus | fixed and committed |
| 13:53:27 | Linus | thanks a lot for your help |
| 13:53:41 | PsycoXul | thank you for fixing it! |
| 13:53:41 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 13:54:07 | Linus | let's just hope that we actually did fix it... |
| 13:54:29 | PsycoXul | well yeah.. it fixed it for me though so heh |
| 13:54:32 | Linus | on my unit, it seemed to come and go... |
| 13:54:45 | Linus | i only had the distortion once |
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| 15:42:15 | yro | Hi all |
| 15:52:17 | Linus | hi |
| 15:53:33 | yro | Hi Linus |
| 15:54:14 | Linus | wazzup? |
| 15:54:27 | yro | I've just written a quick and dirty write-on-disk settings ;-) |
| 15:54:52 | yro | I'm gonna make a patch... |
| 15:55:26 | Linus | nice |
| 15:56:30 | yro | There is some work to make it nicer... (the rtc block is written directly on block 61...) |
| 15:56:56 | Linus | so? |
| 15:57:54 | yro | No suspend on write yet... |
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| 16:17:31 | yro | sent to the list. It's too hot to work here... See you all |
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| 16:18:00 | Linus | cu |
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| 19:16:42 | mistaRx | Hi |
| 19:20:10 | Linus | yo |
| 19:24:06 | mistaRx | what up whit the distortion fix it i |
| 19:24:18 | mistaRx | is it the same that I got yesterday?! |
| 19:33:22 | Linus | no |
| 19:33:27 | Linus | it is new and shiny |
| 19:33:44 | Linus | and maybe even working |
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| 19:37:17 | mistaRx | WOW, it will maybe work!! |
| 19:43:21 | Linus | just try it |
| 19:44:04 | Linus | and i have committed an experimental persistent settings patch for player, sent to me by Yves |
| 19:44:21 | Linus | but it isn't activated in the daily build |
| 19:45:17 | Lear | linus: is it safe to try (don't want to re-format my player :)? And if so, where is the best place to add such a define? |
| 19:45:38 | mistaRx | is the distortion fix on the newest archos20020728.mod on the website?! |
| 19:45:58 | Linus | if i was sure that it was entirely safe, i wouldn't disable it :-) |
| 19:46:32 | Lear | so you haven't tested it yourself at least then? |
| 19:46:44 | Linus | but add the #define first in settings.c |
| 19:47:00 | Linus | Lear: of course i have tested it, works like a charm |
| 19:47:19 | Linus | but i haven't tested it when low on batteries |
| 19:47:20 | Lear | linus: good, then maybe I'll give it a shot as well. |
| 19:47:38 | Linus | it saves too often as it is now |
| 19:47:49 | Linus | but it is a start |
| 19:48:06 | Lear | btw, the display loop in wps.c, is it only executed 2/sec? The sleep made me think it would be more, and the update is a bit "jerky" when I try some new display code I'm working on... |
| 19:48:10 | mistaRx | Linus:is the distortion fix on the newest build on the website?! |
| 19:48:21 | Linus | mistaRx: no, the distorion fix won't be in until tomorrow's daily build |
| 19:48:42 | mistaRx | well, you told me to test it.. |
| 19:49:10 | Linus | i can build one for you now, with saved settings as well |
| 19:49:41 | mistaRx | no not the settings thing pleez |
| 19:49:53 | mistaRx | I haven't got a backup of my mp3s |
| 19:50:25 | mistaRx | I'll wait until someone's player breaks down and it'll be fixed! |
| 19:50:32 | Linus | ok |
| 19:50:54 | Linus | you have been yelling so much about the settings, so i reckoned you would want it |
| 19:51:05 | mistaRx | but I'm interested in the distortion fix though! |
| 19:51:11 | mistaRx | hrmmpf |
| 19:51:33 | Linus | http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod |
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| 19:52:20 | mistaRx | loading... |
| 19:54:28 | Linus | actually, i have taken precautions when it comes to low batteries |
| 19:54:42 | Linus | the settings won't be saved if the battery level is low |
| 19:56:57 | mistaRx | I guess the distortion is fixed a little bit, but try playing dr dre - forgot about dre, with it |
| 19:57:17 | mistaRx | the distortion is still there |
| 19:57:34 | Linus | mistaRx: i'm beginning to think that you didn't have the distortion other people have been having |
| 19:58:01 | mistaRx | well the distortion isn't there with the stock firmware.. |
| 19:58:16 | Linus | that distortion has little to do with the volume |
| 19:58:35 | mistaRx | yes it does |
| 19:58:56 | Linus | not the distortion i have been trying to fix |
| 19:59:02 | mistaRx | I'm sorry gotta eat, brb.. |
| 19:59:08 | Linus | sure |
| 19:59:19 | mistaRx | c ya |
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| 20:08:59 | Lear | linus: are you familiar with the "tick" threads? Are they really executed 100 times/second? |
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| 20:20:40 | Linus | Lear: yes |
| 20:20:53 | Linus | but it isn't a thread, it's an interrupt handler |
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| 20:21:12 | Evil_Mind | hi! |
| 20:21:23 | Linus | yo |
| 20:21:57 | Evil_Mind | whats up... |
| 20:22:21 | Linus | not much |
| 20:24:03 | Evil_Mind | can u write in the site where the "recent cvs activity" to what version it applys to...(player or recorder)? |
| 20:24:47 | Evil_Mind | just mention "R" or "p" |
| 20:24:49 | Evil_Mind | ? |
| 20:25:15 | Linus | mostly both, but i do try to do that |
| 20:25:53 | Evil_Mind | ok.... |
| 20:25:56 | Linus | anything special you wonder about? |
| 20:26:26 | Evil_Mind | the new save feture is for P or R? |
| 20:27:21 | Linus | only for player, since the recorder already saves to RTC |
| 20:27:43 | Evil_Mind | oh...that's great! |
| 20:28:42 | Linus | Lear: what do you want to know about the tick? |
| 20:28:44 | Evil_Mind | ther's not suposed to be battery level in the info ? |
| 20:28:56 | Linus | Evil_Mind: oh yes |
| 20:29:06 | Evil_Mind | in today's build? |
| 20:29:10 | Linus | tomorrows |
| 20:29:34 | Linus | do you have player? |
| 20:29:48 | Evil_Mind | i have the studio.... |
| 20:30:02 | Linus | same thing |
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| 20:30:31 | Linus | do you want to try the setting saving? |
| 20:30:39 | mistaRx | okejra |
| 20:30:53 | Evil_Mind | and the distortion and pitch problems on Player versions is also in tommorow's? |
| 20:31:01 | Linus | sure |
| 20:31:09 | Lear | linus: in wps.c, there's a sleep(HZ/10), which should, AFAICS, mean that the main loop is executed 10 times/sec. I see more like 2... |
| 20:31:16 | Linus | but i can give you a preview now if you wish |
| 20:31:56 | mistaRx | did u fix the pitch problem too?! |
| 20:32:05 | Linus | mistaRx: yes |
| 20:32:12 | mistaRx | najs! |
| 20:32:52 | Linus | Lear: but you can also see that this sleep is executed 5 times before updating the screen again |
| 20:33:51 | Lear | linus: ah, missed that for() loop... :) |
| 20:33:56 | Linus | screen update....poll keys 5 times with sleep()....screen update... |
| 20:35:00 | Lear | linus: also means that time display is a bit "jerky"; i.e., the seconds ticks by in an uneven way... |
| 20:38:23 | Linus | yes, dou you want to fix that? Please do. |
| 20:38:55 | mistaRx | linus: have u just turned the pitch up with 20% or what?! |
| 20:39:51 | Linus | yes, sort of |
| 20:40:13 | Linus | i have adjusted the PLL offset to the crystal frequency |
| 20:40:22 | Linus | it wasn't correct earlier |
| 20:40:46 | mistaRx | so there REALLY was a bug! |
| 20:41:10 | Linus | yup |
| 20:43:44 | mistaRx | linus:will u get to work with the distortion bug I've got..?! |
| 20:43:51 | mistaRx | =) |
| 20:44:34 | Evil_Mind | can u add pitch adujst feture? |
| 20:45:16 | Linus | Evil_Mind: i'm not sure |
| 20:46:09 | Linus | mistaRx: is it possible for you to find out what rockbox volume the max archos volume level corresponds to? |
| 20:46:50 | mistaRx | no, haven't got the equipment, I'm sitting in the country house right now.. |
| 20:47:00 | Linus | oh, yes, i forgot |
| 20:47:46 | mistaRx | np.. |
| 20:47:54 | Linus | i think archos deliberately sets the max volume level a little lower than the DAC allows |
| 20:49:32 | mistaRx | ok, but don't u think the sound is a littl' bit better on the stock firmware..?! |
| 20:49:50 | Linus | ok guys, i hava bus to catch. gotta meet my wife at the train station... |
| 20:49:58 | Lear | linus: OK, I'll include the fix in the new display mode I'm working on. |
| 20:50:09 | mistaRx | ok c ya linus |
| 20:50:17 | Linus | Lear: be sure to sync with the CVS |
| 20:50:24 | Linus | cu guys! |
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| 21:58:21 | DexterAYS | hi all, someone tested the distortion/pitch fix? |
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| 23:38:16 | mistaRx | hallo any programmer here?! |
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