| 00:02:31 | Hes | matp: No, not really |
| 00:02:38 | Hes | just have tried it up for a few seconds for now |
| 00:03:06 | Hes | Done a little recording on the laptop before, with an Edirol UA-5 USB A/D-D/A box |
| 00:03:18 | mistaRx | can the rockbox for recorders record?! |
| 00:03:25 | Hes | Not yet |
| 00:03:36 | mistaRx | are u a programmer to?! |
| 00:04:31 | Hes | matp: I think the negative delta voltage detection works quite well now |
| 00:04:47 | Bagder | mistaRx: not yet, no |
| 00:05:07 | Hes | will have to try it a few times from a fully discharged condition |
| 00:05:19 | matp | Hes: I have elec and opt digital out on my cd player. i have elec in and opt in on my minidisc. i have a mini-jack to phono lead |
| 00:05:23 | Hes | from around 80% it seemed to work |
| 00:06:48 | matp | Hes: now using the minidisc as a DAC with the lead works fine. But when I try and record using the same lead from my cd player, it either doesn't recognise the input, or says something like: "digital copying not allowed" |
| 00:07:37 | matp | Hes: I get diffrent results if I use the left or right phono plug. Do I need a better lead, or is something busted here? |
| 00:08:24 | Hes | One phono plug is in, one is out |
| 00:09:12 | matp | seems to be correct with my findings. but I get the weird message. Is this SCMS or something? |
| 00:09:24 | Hes | Probably yes. |
| 00:10:13 | matp | seems to be correct with my findings. but I get the weird message. Is this SCMS or something? |
| 00:10:22 | Hes | Probably yes. |
| 00:10:27 | matp | sorry. |
| 00:10:50 | Hes | Digital recording from the digital output of my Edirol UA-5 did work. |
| 00:11:14 | matp | I meant to say I thought I was allowed to make 1 digital copy (e.g minidisc). after which the SCMS bit is missing, and it legitmately wont copy |
| 00:11:46 | matp | Is this a bug in archos firmware then? |
| 00:12:08 | Hes | I don't know, might be. We'll see when we have recording in rockbox 8-) |
| 00:12:12 | elinenbe | if you name a file on the recorder SCMSOFF |
| 00:12:22 | elinenbe | then that will get rid of the copy protection. |
| 00:12:27 | Hes | Oooh? 8-) |
| 00:12:31 | matp | really? |
| 00:12:39 | elinenbe | yes! |
| 00:13:03 | matp | even so, I should be able to make ONE copy anyway |
| 00:13:21 | elinenbe | well, I guess it doesn't conform to the standard. |
| 00:13:27 | matp | seems pointless of having a recorder if I cant record my cds |
| 00:13:55 | Hes | You're right, you should be able to do so |
| 00:14:04 | Hes | It might also be a problem on your CD player too |
| 00:14:05 | matp | Well, another feature we can beat them on :) |
| 00:14:38 | matp | I can make copies to my minidisc OK using optical. i haven't tried electrical yet |
| 00:15:04 | matp | does this file need to appear in the root directory, and is it case sensitive? |
| 00:15:21 | elinenbe | here is the exact directions |
| 00:15:31 | elinenbe | - Record MP3: Before record enter to the destination directory. Then adjust Artist, Album, Title!, Source and Quality. |
| 00:15:31 | elinenbe | - - Start Recording |
| 00:15:31 | elinenbe | - - - Right/Left: Adjust recording level at any moment. |
| 00:15:31 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK elinenbe |
| 00:15:31 | elinenbe | - - - Play: Start recording. |
| 00:15:31 | elinenbe | - - - F2-Next: Split current recording in a new part. |
| 00:15:32 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 00:15:32 | elinenbe | - - - F3-Stop: Stop recording. |
| 00:15:34 | elinenbe | - Record MP3: Before record enter to the destination directory. Then adjust Artist, Album, Title!, Source and Quality. |
| 00:15:38 | elinenbe | - - Start Recording |
| 00:15:39 | elinenbe | - - - Right/Left: Adjust recording level at any moment. |
| 00:15:42 | elinenbe | - - - Play: Start recording. |
| 00:15:44 | elinenbe | - - - F2-Next: Split current recording in a new part. |
| 00:15:46 | elinenbe | - - - F3-Stop: Stop recording. |
| 00:15:48 | elinenbe | - Record MP3: Before record enter to the destination directory. Then adjust Artist, Album, Title!, Source and Quality. |
| 00:15:50 | elinenbe | oops sorry |
| 00:15:52 | elinenbe | - - Change Artist: To disable/enable the digital Serial Copyright Management System enter HFSCMSOFF/HFSCMSON in this field and press F1-Enter. |
| 00:16:02 | elinenbe | there you go. |
| 00:17:02 | Hes | Bedtime, good night |
| 00:17:11 | elinenbe | goodnight. good work today. |
| 00:17:19 | matp | bye Hes |
| 00:17:23 | Bagder | night hes |
| 00:17:25 | elinenbe | post a diff to the mailing list −− I want to try it out! |
| 00:17:32 | mistaRx | night |
| 00:18:27 | matp | elinenbe: have you tried it? |
| 00:18:40 | matp | the SCMS that is |
| 00:23:47 | mistaRx | does/will rockbox support remote control?! |
| 00:24:11 | Bagder | if someone writes the code for it, it will |
| 00:24:49 | Bagder | and I bet someone will |
| 00:24:50 | mistaRx | .. |
| 00:25:05 | mistaRx | maybe bagder will |
| 00:25:19 | Bagder | I'm not likely to write that, as I don't have a remote ;-) |
| 00:25:33 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 00:25:39 | matp | i gotta split guys. night all |
| 00:25:51 | Bagder | night matp |
| 00:25:52 | mistaRx | maybe bagder will go out and by a remote an write the code to use it |
| 00:25:58 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:26:03 | mistaRx | nightinight |
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| 00:28:53 | mistaRx | 556.25 kr for an accesory kit on dustin(the only ones that have it in sweden I think.. |
| 00:31:39 | mistaRx | just a thought.. |
| 00:32:13 | Bagder | Björn has a kit, he can do the code ;-) |
| 00:32:35 | mistaRx | well anybody tested the remote, I've heard that it can't turn on the archos, and does it hurt the sound quality?! |
| 00:32:56 | Bagder | no it doesn't hurt the quality |
| 00:33:14 | Bagder | it just sends some serial input to the box |
| 00:33:27 | mistaRx | have u tested it(björn is your brother, right?!) |
| 00:34:05 | Bagder | he's my brother, yes, and yes he has tested it on the stock firmware and I know they worked out how it worked before, so there's some notes on the site about it |
| 00:34:56 | mistaRx | well do u think that the rockbox will be able to turn it on from the remote?! |
| 00:35:14 | Bagder | no |
| 00:36:10 | mistaRx | but it can turn it on and everything else that the PLAYERS can do with the regualr buttons?! |
| 00:36:18 | mistaRx | turn it off |
| 00:36:36 | Bagder | yes, I think so |
| 00:39:05 | mistaRx | ok |
| 00:40:20 | mistaRx | is it bad quality..? |
| 00:41:16 | Bagder | the remote? I don't know |
| 00:45:32 | elinenbe | I have heard it is. |
| 00:47:39 | mistaRx | me too. |
| 00:47:43 | mistaRx | . |
| 00:47:46 | mistaRx | =) |
| 00:52:24 | mistaRx | what about the sony wired remote modding..?! |
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| 00:53:55 | mistaRx | (notching/Sony-archos-remote.html">http://www.geocities.com/notching/Sony-archos-remote.html) |
| 00:54:42 | mistaRx | first of all, where do u get the remote?! |
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| 01:00:40 | Bagder | I'm off to bed, night! |
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| 01:51:21 | masta-Z | ahu.. |
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| 06:13:18 | MeRWiN | hola |
| 06:33:18 | MeRWiN | dead night, huh? |
| 06:33:37 | adi|home | nah.. just ppl in diff timezones |
| 06:33:49 | MeRWiN | I just switched a few of them today |
| 06:33:55 | adi|home | lol |
| 06:34:05 | MeRWiN | and found about 10 new bugs in the rockbox while on the airplane |
| 06:34:08 | MeRWiN | :) |
| 06:35:22 | MeRWiN | any clue when linus usually drops by? I've got a couple issues to bring with his SAVE_TO_DISK stuff |
| 06:35:36 | adi|home | heheh are they still in the system.. or have they already been cleaned out? |
| 06:35:55 | adi|home | usually... after 2am est |
| 06:36:39 | MeRWiN | ah k. things like shuffle not working right, WPS problems, Keylock problems, scroll speed issues |
| 06:36:41 | MeRWiN | that kind of thing |
| 06:44:53 | MeRWiN | 11 issues to be exact :) |
| 06:45:40 | MeRWiN | I do User Acceptance Testing for a living (for VoiceStream/T-Mobile wireless)... testing UI's, Networks, General functionality, etc. I'm paid to be picky. heh |
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| 06:53:19 | MeRWiN | having problems adi? |
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| 06:58:22 | adi|home | yeayh.. my connection was giving me issues |
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| 06:59:09 | MeRWiN- | apparently mine is too :) |
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| 06:59:26 | MeRWiN | so how does one begin developing for this project |
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| 08:29:04 | Bagder | morning |
| 08:29:10 | Linus | haha i was here before you, bagder! |
| 08:29:16 | Linus | (1 second) |
| 08:29:18 | Bagder | hehe |
| 08:29:27 | Linus | Any sound? |
| 08:29:31 | Bagder | yeah, I actually read a lot of emails before I joined IRC today ;-) |
| 08:29:34 | Bagder | I have sound! |
| 08:29:41 | Linus | good |
| 08:29:42 | Bagder | bad build yesterday |
| 08:29:48 | Bagder | some non-working dependency |
| 08:29:49 | Linus | but backlight problems... |
| 08:29:59 | Bagder | yeah |
| 08:30:07 | Bagder | minor ones though |
| 08:30:18 | Linus | yeah |
| 08:32:00 | Linus | although very fixable |
| 08:32:39 | Bagder | I thought so too |
| 08:34:52 | Linus | did you find out what the bad dependency was? |
| 08:34:56 | Bagder | no |
| 08:35:05 | Bagder | I did a make clean and rebuilt everything |
| 08:35:10 | Bagder | and then it worked fine |
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| 08:40:44 | Linus | i looked into the problem about not going to USB mode when i the menus yesterday |
| 08:40:44 | Linus | i looked into the problem about not going to USB mode when i the menus yesterday |
| 08:40:44 | Linus | in the menus |
| 08:40:44 | Linus | that is not entirely simple |
| 08:40:49 | Linus | all menu functions return void |
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| 08:41:27 | Linus | and they have to tell dirbrowse to reread the root dir somehow |
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| 08:42:37 | Linus | i was thinking of adding a file to the firmware containing a default message handler |
| 08:43:09 | Linus | that is supposed to be called at the default: case of all message switches |
| 08:43:45 | Linus | that one would take care of the SYS_USB_CONNECTED/SYS/USB_DISCONNECTED messages |
| 08:44:12 | Linus | so we wont clutter all button_get() loops with USB stuff |
| 08:44:21 | Linus | what do you think? |
| 08:44:22 | Bagder | sounds like a good idea |
| 08:44:52 | Linus | still, that doesn't solve the problem with dirbrowse and menus |
| 08:45:29 | Linus | dirbrowse calls main_menu(), which returns void |
| 08:45:36 | Bagder | we change the return type |
| 08:45:46 | Linus | i did that yesterday... |
| 08:45:46 | Bagder | and return something for re-read signalling |
| 08:45:56 | Linus | that was a loooooooooot of files |
| 08:46:02 | Bagder | yeah |
| 08:46:18 | Bagder | can we do it any other way? |
| 08:46:21 | Linus | and i felt that i needed to do the default message handler first |
| 08:46:30 | Bagder | right |
| 08:46:57 | Linus | actually i don't think we can do it much differently |
| 08:47:09 | Linus | if we want to stay cool |
| 08:47:20 | Linus | and we want that |
| 08:47:27 | Bagder | we want c00lness ;-) |
| 08:50:21 | Bagder | is that line in the bottom of the recorder display the battery indicator? |
| 08:52:59 | Linus | yeah, Zagor is an aestetic guru! |
| 08:53:13 | Bagder | indeed |
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| 08:55:20 | Linus | The UI needs major work |
| 08:55:39 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 08:55:39 | * | Bagder nods |
| 08:55:45 | Linus | Status indicator (battery, play/pause...) and function key hints |
| 08:57:45 | Bagder | wc -l /home/majordom/lists/rockbox |
| 08:57:45 | Bagder | 206 /home/majordom/lists/rockbox |
| 08:58:45 | Linus | :-) |
| 08:58:50 | Linus | quite a crowd |
| 08:59:22 | Linus | somw people complain about very late mails from the list |
| 08:59:57 | Bagder | I've seen that happen before with majordomo |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:18 | Bagder | one of the reasons I moved the curl list to mailman |
| 09:03:34 | Linus | So, when do we release 1.2? |
| 09:03:41 | Linus | I think the USb issue can wait |
| 09:04:00 | Bagder | now? |
| 09:04:19 | Linus | why not? I have nothing i need to add |
| 09:04:37 | Linus | I anticipate that people will complain about the battery charging |
| 09:05:06 | Bagder | I checkout a clean CVS tree now |
| 09:05:21 | Linus | We need a good README/User's manual |
| 09:05:28 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:05:35 | Linus | And i don't know hoe the simulators work |
| 09:06:52 | Linus | i have a feeling that the battery life is *very* short on the recorder |
| 09:07:37 | Bagder | I run my now, I'll soon figure it out ;-) |
| 09:10:44 | Bagder | both simulators seem to work |
| 09:14:37 | Bagder | so we need to write up a release notes file |
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| 09:24:50 | Bagder | so, what are the changes since 1.1? ;-) |
| 09:25:35 | Hes | morning |
| 09:25:56 | MeRWiN | who here wants a list of bugs i've found in the player? :) |
| 09:26:04 | MeRWiN | the 7/29 build |
| 09:27:22 | MeRWiN | anyone? going once.. going twice... :-) |
| 09:27:33 | Bagder | mail the list! |
| 09:27:58 | Hes | I think my charger code ~works. |
| 09:28:49 | Hes | http://hes.iki.fi/misc/rockbox-charging.jpg |
| 09:30:21 | Linus | Hes: way to go! |
| 09:30:46 | Linus | (and you really needed that penguin in the picture, right...? :-) |
| 09:30:48 | Hes | Will try it a couple times, only tried from ~80% charge to full charge yesterday |
| 09:30:55 | Hes | Yes, really, really. 8-) |
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| 09:30:57 | MeRWiN- | grr |
| 09:31:04 | MeRWiN- | anyone reply to my want-ad? |
| 09:31:11 | Linus | Hes: do you have a feeling of the battery life on your recorder? |
| 09:31:15 | webmind | mornin |
| 09:31:21 | Hes | No, I don't |
| 09:31:27 | webmind | MeRWiN-, add ? |
| 09:31:39 | Bagder | MeRWiN: I suggest you post them to the mailing list |
| 09:32:04 | MeRWiN- | webmind: I've got a nice list of bugs... including one for the new SAVE_TO_DISK feature |
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| 09:32:28 | webmind | ,elinenbe ah ok |
| 09:32:29 | Hes | Linus: you should have asked for the car model, I heard some of the new volvo's cause some distortion. 8-) |
| 09:32:29 | webmind | er |
| 09:32:34 | webmind | MeRWiN, ah ok |
| 09:32:40 | Linus | Hes: :-) |
| 09:33:03 | MeRWiN | Bagder: How often is the mailing list sent out? I subscribed but i haven't gotten anything yet (been about a week) |
| 09:33:26 | Linus | MeRWiN: something must be wrong, what is your email address? |
| 09:34:21 | Bagder | 387 mails in July so far |
| 09:34:43 | MeRWiN | Linus: jheiner@yahoo.com |
| 09:35:11 | webmind | option reques: |
| 09:35:12 | Bagder | you're not in there... |
| 09:35:14 | webmind | :) |
| 09:35:21 | Linus | Bagder: can you add him? |
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| 09:35:22 | webmind | option to disable reading of id3 tags ? |
| 09:35:30 | Bagder | right away |
| 09:35:34 | Linus | webmind: why? |
| 09:35:55 | webmind | Linus, cos sometimes the filename is more usefull then the tag |
| 09:36:12 | Bagder | MeRWiN: I added you now |
| 09:36:16 | webmind | maybe it's an idea to have a flexible disply for playmode |
| 09:36:17 | Linus | While Playing screen |
| 09:36:24 | Linus | webmind: we do |
| 09:36:35 | webmind | Linus, so u can set your own combi of tags ? |
| 09:36:42 | webmind | including plain filename ? :) |
| 09:36:52 | Linus | aha, you mean *that* flexible? |
| 09:37:01 | Linus | without path? |
| 09:37:02 | webmind | uhuh |
| 09:37:03 | | Quit PiotR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 09:37:19 | MeRWiN | Bagder: what mailing address do i send to to post things? |
| 09:37:31 | Linus | rockbox@cool.haxx.se |
| 09:37:34 | webmind | Linus, well.. that u can set your wps screen.. like album-songname |
| 09:37:40 | webmind | or artist-songname |
| 09:37:44 | webmind | or filename |
| 09:37:48 | * | Bagder points to Linus' reply |
| 09:38:11 | Linus | webmind: post a suggestion to the list |
| 09:38:16 | webmind | Linus, hmm |
| 09:38:21 | webmind | i'm not on the list.. but ok |
| 09:38:35 | Linus | join the list then |
| 09:38:44 | MeRWiN | there... all sent :) |
| 09:38:52 | Bagder | got it |
| 09:39:07 | MeRWiN | Linus: your save_to_disk looks great, the scroll speed gets loaded but doesn't actually set it until you go into the scroll speed config |
| 09:39:14 | webmind | Linus, need a good mail addy first then |
| 09:39:28 | MeRWiN | Linus: other than that it seems to do great |
| 09:39:34 | webmind | just have some web thing with a 2mb limit.. which tends to fill up |
| 09:39:41 | Linus | MeRWiN: that list was comprehensive! Way to go! |
| 09:40:05 | MeRWiN | Linus: I do user acceptance testing for a living.. my job is to be picky :) |
| 09:40:16 | Linus | webmind: i see, but you can always read the list archive on the web |
| 09:40:19 | Bagder | hah, that's the spirit ;-) |
| 09:40:38 | Linus | MeRWiN: you are exactly the type of user we need |
| 09:40:38 | webmind | Linus, ok |
| 09:41:27 | MeRWiN | Linus: that and an 8 hour plane ride |
| 09:41:37 | Linus | hehe |
| 09:42:03 | Linus | You know what the buffer size info is static? |
| 09:42:05 | Linus | that |
| 09:42:28 | Linus | It is not a buffer usage meter, it just tells how large the buffer is |
| 09:42:41 | Linus | (maybe it should be in the debug menu?) |
| 09:43:00 | MeRWiN | Linus: is that why it never changes? |
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| 09:43:44 | Linus | yes, but the battery should update |
| 09:44:10 | Linus | but today it doesn't. i'll fix that in a sec |
| 09:45:19 | MeRWiN | So do most people here use the WPS/ID3 or the WPS/File? I find the File option to be more useful, since I have a standard naming convention for my MP3's, and ID3's are often incorrect when downloaded |
| 09:45:44 | webmind | MeRWiN, uhuh |
| 09:45:50 | webmind | MeRWiN, my prob exactly |
| 09:46:11 | Hes | I use ID3 on my recorder, less scrolling... I have standard naming but the full path takes a long time to scroll |
| 09:46:20 | webmind | MeRWiN, although my file naming script often uses id3 tags to define the filename.. |
| 09:46:23 | webmind | uhm |
| 09:46:27 | Hes | and almost all of my mp3's are made from my CD's |
| 09:46:34 | webmind | full path in filename qould be anoying i think ? |
| 09:46:40 | webmind | would |
| 09:46:50 | MeRWiN | webmind: full path isn't in the filename display though |
| 09:46:53 | MeRWiN | just the filename |
| 09:46:58 | webmind | ok |
| 09:47:27 | * | webmind has some mp3's that have "track <id>" as id3 tag |
| 09:47:37 | webmind | which is damn anoying if u have a more correct filename :) |
| 09:48:19 | Hes | Would be nice to document the various key combinations somewhere |
| 09:48:27 | webmind | uhuh |
| 09:48:29 | Hes | what's the key lock for example? |
| 09:48:56 | webmind | btw, would it be possible with a hardware hack to make a keyboard for it ? |
| 09:49:07 | MeRWiN | hes: keylock is menu stop |
| 09:49:26 | MeRWiN | hes: volume up and down is menu + and menu - |
| 09:49:29 | Linus | or menu+down on the recorder |
| 09:49:53 | webmind | why difference ? |
| 09:49:54 | Linus | vol is up/down on the recorder |
| 09:50:07 | Linus | there is no STOp key on the recorder |
| 09:50:11 | webmind | er ? |
| 09:50:12 | webmind | ok |
| 09:50:17 | MeRWiN | oh, i'm thinking player |
| 09:50:18 | MeRWiN | :P |
| 09:50:28 | webmind | me only has player so same here :) |
| 09:51:25 | MeRWiN | anyone know how to synch the cvs to a local dir for the first time in wincvs? |
| 09:51:28 | MeRWiN | i'm new to this |
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| 09:58:48 | Linus | I think i'll remove the buffer info, it's not really useful anyway |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:43 | Linus | any protests? |
| 10:01:00 | Bagder | I think you can leave it there for now |
| 10:01:10 | Linus | ok |
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| 10:01:37 | Bagder | it'll make us notice how it shrinks when the software grows ;-) |
| 10:01:55 | * | Bagder runs for coffee |
| 10:02:54 | * | webmind trips the coffee |
| 10:09:01 | | Part Linus |
| 10:13:25 | MeRWiN | so is SAVE_TO_DISK enabled now? |
| 10:13:30 | MeRWiN | by default that is |
| 10:13:34 | Bagder | no |
| 10:14:30 | MeRWiN | why not? |
| 10:14:49 | Bagder | because it isn't really how we want it yet |
| 10:15:04 | MeRWiN | ahh |
| 10:15:04 | MeRWiN | k |
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| 10:25:42 | Linus | had to reboot... |
| 10:26:10 | * | Bagder has just found a bug |
| 10:26:37 | Bagder | I have a playlist, and I just played a song that was said to be 0:00 long |
| 10:26:50 | Linus | VBR? |
| 10:26:54 | Bagder | probably |
| 10:27:01 | Bagder | but when it ended, things got wrong |
| 10:27:07 | Linus | we need to analyze the VBR header |
| 10:27:22 | Linus | got wrong? |
| 10:27:35 | Bagder | yes, the next song started without the display showing it |
| 10:27:46 | Bagder | and *blip* a third song started |
| 10:28:12 | Bagder | it was like there was a gap with some old song data in between |
| 10:28:48 | Bagder | <VBR> [short music from another song] <next proper song> |
| 10:34:47 | Bagder | are we using the player icons on the LCD yet? |
| 10:38:18 | Bagder | http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/rockbox-1.2-notes.txt |
| 10:38:38 | Bagder | please tell me what more changed from 1.1 to 1.2 |
| 10:39:10 | Bagder | (consider 1.2 being *now*) |
| 10:40:10 | adi|home | hmm looks good from what i see... |
| 10:40:30 | adi|home | although.. most of the stuff under settings i don't think were ther in 1.1 |
| 10:40:33 | adi|home | but i dont remember |
| 10:40:49 | Bagder | me neither ;-) |
| 10:41:41 | | Nick dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@193.180.246.67) |
| 10:41:52 | Hes | Recorder-specific: Auto Volume control, Bass Boost, Loudness |
| 10:42:01 | Bagder | Linus: I got the problem again, only this time with silence after the song that was "0:00" |
| 10:42:29 | Hes | I though the pitch problems were on the Players, not the recorders |
| 10:42:40 | Bagder | oh |
| 10:42:51 | * | Bagder fixes |
| 10:43:38 | dwihno | I say hello! :D |
| 10:43:45 | Bagder | hey ho dwihno |
| 10:43:48 | dwihno | and good foredinner ;) |
| 10:44:23 | dwihno | what's key repeat? |
| 10:44:54 | Bagder | when you hold the key pressed and it will be treated as repeated keypresses |
| 10:44:57 | dwihno | ah |
| 10:45:00 | dwihno | stupid old me |
| 10:45:24 | Hes | Configurable directory sorting: defaults to non-case-sensitive sorting |
| 10:46:48 | Hes | Bagder: probably could mention things that have been worked on and which will probably appear in 1.3 |
| 10:47:19 | Hes | (charging on the recorder, config saving to disk on the player to mention a few important ones) |
| 10:47:55 | Hes | and a current limitation: charging does not work on the recorder while rockbox is running. Workaround: boot the device with the charger attached and it'll go to the original firmware for charging. |
| 10:47:58 | Linus | Bagder: calling the .mp3/.m3u file filter a "browsing mode" is maybe a little too much |
| 10:48:30 | Bagder | ok "filter mode" then ;-) |
| 10:48:34 | Linus | Bagder: the Player distortion problem is fixed |
| 10:49:20 | Linus | Bagder: key locking with Menu+STOP (player) and F1+DOWN (recorder) |
| 10:49:47 | Linus | Bagder: dir playback works as long as you don't leave the directory |
| 10:50:06 | adi|home | oh.. oh.. i know what we forgot |
| 10:50:08 | Bagder | that one's still mentioned in limitation |
| 10:50:09 | Linus | Bagder: STOP in WPS also stops playback |
| 10:50:25 | adi|home | "adiamas: lazy developer that hasn't submited any code for this version" |
| 10:50:41 | Linus | Mention that F1 is the MANU key on the recorder |
| 10:50:43 | Linus | MENU |
| 10:51:17 | Linus | Limitation: some high bitrate files may skip on the recorder |
| 10:51:59 | Linus | Bagder: LCD icons are used on Player |
| 10:52:35 | Linus | Bagder: Playlist playback doesn't stop on non-existing files, does it? |
| 10:52:43 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 10:52:55 | Bagder | it said that in the 1.1 release I'm not aware of any fixes for that |
| 10:53:14 | Linus | anyone? |
| 10:53:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:53:39 | Linus | Bagder: deeper sleep for hard drive |
| 10:56:23 | Bagder | is there actually any point in "releasing" simulator binaries? |
| 10:57:49 | MeRWiN | Bagder: people can check it out before they decide to put it on? |
| 10:58:03 | MeRWiN | Bagder: in case they don't have their jukebox on them |
| 10:58:13 | MeRWiN | Bagder: I keep wanting to write badger :) |
| 10:58:21 | Bagder | heheh |
| 10:59:03 | MeRWiN | Bagder: I tried the SIM first (although it was a horrible failure on my laptop... no numeric keypad) |
| 10:59:21 | Bagder | B-] |
| 10:59:43 | Bagder | ok then, I'm convinced, simulator binaries will come too |
| 10:59:51 | MeRWiN | Bagder: couldn't hurt |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:05 | MeRWiN | It'll also give reviewers something to play with |
| 11:00:37 | Bagder | anyone with a win32 env around to build a win32 release version for me? |
| 11:00:41 | MeRWiN | Is it possible to create a single simulator that loads an archos.mod file dynamically? |
| 11:01:34 | Bagder | well, everything is of course possible, that that would be quite a different beast from what we have today |
| 11:01:54 | Bagder | "but that" |
| 11:02:01 | MeRWiN | heh.. also, regarding the sim.. with the win32 executable, it's default directory is C:\, not the App folder + \archos |
| 11:02:08 | MeRWiN | at least it was in v1.1 |
| 11:02:38 | Bagder | the win32 version has always "lagged behind" a bit, since there has mainly only been Felix working on that |
| 11:03:14 | MeRWiN | Time for me to get an OS emulator running on my work laptop i guess... need to run linux |
| 11:03:51 | Bagder | you should! ;-) |
| 11:04:17 | MeRWiN | So do you want to release 1.2 without shuffle working right? |
| 11:04:34 | Bagder | I want to release 1.2 as it works right now |
| 11:04:48 | MeRWiN | shuffle is working? |
| 11:04:54 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:05:02 | Bagder | works for me right now at least |
| 11:05:08 | MeRWiN | player? |
| 11:05:12 | Bagder | no |
| 11:05:19 | Bagder | but the shuffle code is the same |
| 11:05:40 | MeRWiN | hmm... i'll download the current daily build and test it out right now, just to double check |
| 11:06:13 | Bagder | shuffle only works for playlists |
| 11:06:25 | MeRWiN | Bagder: in that case, then it works fine :) |
| 11:06:35 | Bagder | ok |
| 11:06:44 | Linus | MeRWiN: check my reply to the mailing list |
| 11:07:20 | PsycoXul | hmm |
| 11:07:22 | MeRWiN | Linus: what reply? |
| 11:07:27 | MeRWiN | ahh |
| 11:07:28 | Linus | to your bug report |
| 11:07:35 | MeRWiN | nevermind, i forgot that i made a filter for it |
| 11:07:37 | PsycoXul | i'm getting distortion again with latest cvs... :/ |
| 11:08:50 | MeRWiN | Linus: okey. |
| 11:08:50 | Bagder | Linus: you want this recent commits in the 1.2, right? |
| 11:08:52 | Bagder | these |
| 11:08:55 | PsycoXul | actualy it was fine when i was running that test build, and then yesterday i compiled CVS with the settings saving code enabled, and got some distortion on some things |
| 11:09:07 | Linus | "on some things" |
| 11:09:11 | PsycoXul | but i wasn't sure if it had something to do with the songs or the sound settings code |
| 11:09:21 | Linus | But it us the digital distortion thing? |
| 11:09:26 | PsycoXul | so i just tried it wouthout the settings saving code and i still get the same old distortion |
| 11:09:30 | Linus | loud clicks? |
| 11:09:43 | PsycoXul | yeah its what we talked about |
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| 11:09:49 | Linus | damn! |
| 11:10:05 | PsycoXul | i tried it now with the standard benchmark [AC/DC - Hell's Bells heh] |
| 11:10:51 | Linus | Bagder: "For continuous playback of all files in the directory, you |
| 11:10:52 | Linus | must remain in id3 display mode" |
| 11:10:55 | Linus | wrong! |
| 11:11:28 | Bagder | removed |
| 11:11:41 | Linus | I'm worried about the distortion though |
| 11:11:56 | Linus | PsycoXul: so it comes and goes, right? |
| 11:12:13 | PsycoXul | it depends on the music |
| 11:12:42 | PsycoXul | ok i just cp'd the test build you sent me and it still works without distortion |
| 11:12:54 | Linus | you must be joking |
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| 11:14:21 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 11:14:43 | PsycoXul | you think thats funny |
| 11:14:53 | PsycoXul | i just cp'd the SAME BUILD i was just getting distortion from back on |
| 11:14:57 | PsycoXul | and suddenly not getting it :p |
| 11:15:42 | Bagder | *buah* |
| 11:15:55 | Linus | AAAAAAA!!! |
| 11:16:02 | Bagder | major wps bug here |
| 11:16:52 | Bagder | it shows the wrong song info |
| 11:17:03 | Bagder | during this whole song |
| 11:17:16 | Linus | PsycoXul: can you build from source? |
| 11:17:20 | PsycoXul | yes |
| 11:17:58 | PsycoXul | that "same build" was cvs compiled like 5 minutes ago |
| 11:18:07 | PsycoXul | its still up to date |
| 11:18:11 | Linus | Try to move the three lines beginning with "mas_writereg(0x3b...." down to after the PLL setting |
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| 11:18:41 | Linus | Bagder: can you repeat it? |
| 11:19:38 | Bagder | I seem to be able to |
| 11:19:42 | Bagder | hang on |
| 11:21:41 | Bagder | I select a song from disk, but it isn't that one that gets played |
| 11:22:30 | Linus | I HATE THE MICRONAS DOCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:22:46 | Bagder | the id3 tag is all wrong too |
| 11:23:14 | Linus | On one page they say run $fcd, on the other page $fcb |
| 11:23:23 | Linus | Bagder: is it just that song? |
| 11:23:46 | Bagder | no, there seem to be several songs in that one directory |
| 11:23:56 | Linus | Bagder: this could be a ctype bug |
| 11:24:05 | Linus | sorting |
| 11:24:15 | Bagder | no |
| 11:24:17 | Linus | but i'm not sure |
| 11:24:27 | Linus | is it consistent? |
| 11:24:27 | Bagder | because the songs actually played are in a different directory! |
| 11:24:32 | Linus | wow! |
| 11:24:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 11:24:51 | Linus | Bagder: fsck? |
| 11:24:52 | Bagder | I select "And One/*plastic" |
| 11:25:05 | Bagder | but Armageddon*/*blabla* is played |
| 11:25:10 | Bagder | yes I need to check it |
| 11:25:19 | PsycoXul | so even with the SAVE_TO_DISK defined build of latest CVS i still get no distortion now |
| 11:25:30 | PsycoXul | must've been some freak thing with that last build or i dunno |
| 11:25:45 | Linus | Or maybe is is random |
| 11:25:51 | PsycoXul | or hmmm |
| 11:26:00 | Linus | since you can't get it back |
| 11:27:48 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 11:27:50 | PsycoXul | i just got it back |
| 11:28:00 | PsycoXul | i plugged it into the charger [while turned off] |
| 11:28:04 | PsycoXul | till it said charging |
| 11:28:07 | PsycoXul | then unplugged it, booted up |
| 11:28:13 | PsycoXul | and wah-la distortion |
| 11:29:00 | Linus | ok |
| 11:29:08 | Linus | good, now we can repeat it |
| 11:29:32 | PsycoXul | lemme try a few more things |
| 11:29:38 | Linus | (no wonder i can't repeat it, my box doesn't boot when connecting the charger |
| 11:31:03 | PsycoXul | just rebuilt without SAVE_TO_DISK and cp'd that over... still getting distortion from that |
| 11:31:58 | Linus | PsycoXul: when is your unit manufactured? |
| 11:32:45 | PsycoXul | and once again your test build clears it up... heh |
| 11:33:14 | PsycoXul | Linus: dunno |
| 11:33:18 | PsycoXul | Linus: ROM firmware 5.03 |
| 11:33:33 | PsycoXul | whatever it is, it seems like it somehow remains between reboots |
| 11:33:42 | Linus | ok. try this: |
| 11:34:12 | Linus | use address 36d, 36e and 36f in both cases when setting the PLL |
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| 11:36:14 | PsycoXul | where's this? |
| 11:36:22 | Mighty | hello |
| 11:36:33 | PsycoXul | around 1307 in mpeg.c? |
| 11:36:41 | Linus | PsycoXul: beginning with "if(mas_version_code..." |
| 11:37:01 | Linus | Mighty: hi |
| 11:37:18 | PsycoXul | should i switch it back into distorting before trying this? |
| 11:37:50 | Mighty | does the isd200 chip has some kind of bypass feature so commands/calls can be made to a systemthread of some kind while the archos is in usb mobe? |
| 11:38:26 | Mighty | or is it locked up so it's impossible to access any running processes while usb is on |
| 11:38:43 | Linus | PsycoXul: yes |
| 11:39:07 | Linus | Mighty: the software is running even when in usb mode |
| 11:39:26 | Linus | but the ISD200 can only access the hard drive |
| 11:39:39 | Linus | no other USB communication |
| 11:39:51 | Linus | is is an ATA-USB chip only |
| 11:40:17 | Mighty | Linus, it doesn't have any special feature where one can program it to be able to make simple calls or sent other status data over the USB ? |
| 11:40:55 | Linus | no |
| 11:41:01 | Mighty | ok |
| 11:41:20 | Linus | actuallt, it is made to work standalone, without a CPU |
| 11:42:23 | PsycoXul | Linus: no change |
| 11:43:15 | Mighty | I had this idea about an X11 statusmonitor that displays info about the player/recorders HW state and things, ie. something nice that popup up when one connects it to the usb, but basically then, that is completely impossible to write because the hardware is unable to any such communication 'other' than just the ata-bridge? |
| 11:44:57 | PsycoXul | hmm.... |
| 11:45:22 | PsycoXul | hmmm |
| 11:46:26 | PsycoXul | Linus: it may be something else triggering it actualy |
| 11:46:36 | Bagder | Mighty: correct |
| 11:46:41 | Mighty | :-/ |
| 11:48:07 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 11:48:11 | Linus | PsycoXul: ? |
| 11:48:22 | PsycoXul | hold on i'm testing it several times to make sure |
| 11:50:13 | PsycoXul | ok |
| 11:50:32 | PsycoXul | booting up with the headphone jack in a different state than when it shut down |
| 11:50:35 | PsycoXul | thats it |
| 11:50:52 | PsycoXul | i.e. unplug headphone, shut down, plug headphone in, boot up - distortion |
| 11:51:07 | PsycoXul | plug headphone in, shut down, unplug, boot up - distortion |
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| 11:51:34 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 11:51:59 | PsycoXul | but leave it in while both shutting down and booting up - distortion's gone... or leaving it in for both |
| 11:52:09 | Linus | immensely weird |
| 11:52:10 | PsycoXul | er or leaving it out for both |
| 11:52:23 | PsycoXul | it seems to be consistently reproducable |
| 11:52:46 | PsycoXul | just unplug before shutting off and then plug it back in before booting up, and see if you get it |
| 11:53:10 | PsycoXul | has to be fairly loud and 'full' sounding music, generaly with like bass drums |
| 11:53:23 | PsycoXul | if you haven't heard it already |
| 11:54:14 | PsycoXul | maybe its some kinda voltage difference or something? |
| 11:54:36 | Mighty | anyone know where to find the isd200 datasheet? |
| 11:55:11 | Bagder | that isn't publicly available, afaicr |
| 11:55:18 | Linus | PsycoXul: i can't reproduce it |
| 11:55:24 | PsycoXul | no? |
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| 11:56:01 | | Nick notching is now known as notch (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) |
| 11:56:37 | Mighty | Bagder bjorn seens to have had it on the old rockbox page, lots of broken links from a year back in google |
| 11:56:42 | PsycoXul | well at least i know the workaround heh |
| 11:57:02 | Bagder | Mighty: yes, but he was never allowed to publish it |
| 11:57:45 | Bagder | they specificly asked him not to, if I recall things correctly |
| 11:57:59 | Mighty | odd manufacturer |
| 11:58:07 | Bagder | indeed |
| 11:58:25 | Mighty | 'oh no, someone might write software to our hardware' |
| 11:59:54 | Mighty | but if no one has seen those datasheets, then there might actually be support in the chip for userdefined calls of some kind in it just that it isn't in the isd200 driver? |
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| 12:00:33 | Bagder | Mighty: Björn wrote the isd200 driver and he read the datasheet... |
| 12:01:21 | Linus | Mighty: remember that the ISD200 is designed to work standalone, without a CPU |
| 12:01:48 | PsycoXul | ugh |
| 12:01:52 | Mighty | yes |
| 12:03:59 | Linus | PsycoXul: can you hear the distortion in the line-out jack as well? |
| 12:04:34 | PsycoXul | yes |
| 12:05:01 | Linus | good |
| 12:06:17 | Linus | did you try to move the mas_run(1) call? |
| 12:06:49 | PsycoXul | no |
| 12:07:16 | Mighty | bye |
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| 12:09:10 | Linus | PsycoXul: please do |
| 12:10:06 | PsycoXul | ok move it and what else to where? |
| 12:11:06 | Linus | i told you |
| 12:11:29 | Linus | Try to move the three lines beginning with "mas_writereg(0x3b...." down to after the PLL setting |
| 12:15:00 | PsycoXul | still got it |
| 12:16:57 | Linus | ok |
| 12:17:51 | Linus | change back the addresses 36d etc to 32d etc |
| 12:18:36 | PsycoXul | oh |
| 12:18:41 | PsycoXul | i think i already did :p |
| 12:20:20 | Linus | hehe |
| 12:20:26 | Linus | this sucks |
| 12:20:51 | Linus | ok, another try (just to check if the docs really tell the truth): |
| 12:21:35 | Linus | in the first (F10) case: |
| 12:21:42 | PsycoXul | just tried them with 36 instead of 32 too and still the same |
| 12:22:30 | Linus | use 32d, 32e,32f and run $fcb |
| 12:23:19 | PsycoXul | fcb instead of 475? |
| 12:23:22 | Linus | yes |
| 12:25:02 | PsycoXul | no difference... |
| 12:28:53 | Linus | and 36x and run $fcb? |
| 12:34:02 | PsycoXul | that seems to work... |
| 12:34:18 | PsycoXul | though i have no idea if i might've accidently switched it off in the process |
| 12:34:48 | PsycoXul | what i said worked like several times in a row when i said about the headphone jack thing and then it quit working heh |
| 12:35:11 | Linus | keey trying, and see if you can reproduce it |
| 12:37:31 | PsycoXul | ok well i just got it back |
| 12:38:19 | PsycoXul | but its not as much as it was before.. it doesn't happen untill the bass drums come in now, while it'd do it at various points up till then before |
| 12:38:38 | Linus | god, please give me strength |
| 12:38:40 | PsycoXul | lemme see if i can account for that another way |
| 12:39:10 | PsycoXul | yeah ok i think that was a result of the bass/trebble settings, its still the same as it was before |
| 12:39:21 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 12:39:25 | PsycoXul | sorry heh |
| 12:40:00 | Linus | ok, so now you have 32x, mas_run(fcb) and then mas_run(1), right? |
| 12:40:35 | PsycoXul | 36 |
| 12:40:55 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 12:41:00 | PsycoXul | and i just got rid of it again |
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| 12:42:23 | edx | hi |
| 12:43:04 | edx | Bagder, are you there? |
| 12:43:12 | Linus | i think you should have 32x, fcb and then mas_run(1) |
| 12:45:01 | PsycoXul | didn't we try that just before 36x, fcb, mas_run(1)? |
| 12:46:03 | Linus | oh, sorry |
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| 13:00:37 | * | Bagder is back |
| 13:06:48 | Linus | i'm out of ideas |
| 13:08:48 | Linus | i have browsed the source code of other MAS3507D projects |
| 13:11:35 | Linus | it seems that 32d, 32e, 32f, mas_run($fcb) and then mas_run(1) is the way to go on the chips with version 601 |
| 13:12:11 | Linus | and 36d, 36e, 36f, run 475 and run(1) for the 501 chips |
| 13:12:52 | Linus | gotta eat |
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| 13:14:10 | Linus|lunch | actually, some projects omit the mas_run(1) on the 601 chips |
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| 14:17:22 | * | Bagder pretends to be a web guy right now... :-/ |
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| 14:20:16 | dwihno | <html> |
| 14:20:21 | dwihno | <head> |
| 14:20:27 | dwihno | <title>Bagder's www-page</title> ;) |
| 14:20:59 | Bagder | yeah, something like that :-) |
| 14:23:03 | dwihno | :-) |
| 14:23:11 | dwihno | It's fun to do webpages |
| 14:23:44 | Bagder | not this kind I do right now |
| 14:24:28 | Bagder | the web stuff here is the embedded admin interface for network equipment |
| 14:24:53 | dwihno | cool :) |
| 14:24:56 | dwihno | that's fun too! :) |
| 14:25:05 | Hes | Yes, the charger does seem to work. |
| 14:25:17 | Hes | Just did a full recharge |
| 14:25:23 | dwihno | experimental charging code huh? |
| 14:25:26 | Linus | cool |
| 14:25:52 | Hes | Someone with the serial port patch should probably try it for a few times too |
| 14:26:07 | Linus | serial port patch? |
| 14:26:13 | * | Bagder looks at Linus |
| 14:26:17 | Linus | you mean to get DEBUGF() messages? |
| 14:28:01 | Hes | modification, yes |
| 14:29:26 | Hes | to see if it's the short-term negative delta or long-term low positive delta detection which works |
| 14:29:36 | Hes | and how fast it detects the drop |
| 14:30:18 | Linus | Hes: what external power device do you use? |
| 14:33:39 | Hes | The bog standard charger |
| 14:34:15 | Linus | ok. how long did it take? |
| 14:34:47 | Hes | Didn't time it |
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| 14:34:56 | Hes | could count the 1-minute pixels on the screen of course |
| 14:35:21 | Linus | i mean, a recharge should take quite a long time |
| 14:35:22 | Hes | and debugging could show the elapsed time counter |
| 14:35:26 | Hes | It did |
| 14:35:58 | Hes | Peak voltage went to 5.4V with charger connected |
| 14:36:03 | Bagder | anyone tried to produce an "expected battery-time left" by reading the battery with large intervals and checking the differences? |
| 14:36:29 | Linus | i have reached more than 5.6V |
| 14:36:32 | Hes | Not yet... i have the statistics gathered now which can be used for that |
| 14:36:42 | Bagder | ok |
| 14:38:15 | Hes | Think i'll mail the patch now |
| 14:38:56 | Linus | great |
| 14:39:46 | Hes | There is some serious cleaning up to be done in it probably |
| 14:39:52 | Hes | but it should generally do the job. |
| 14:40:49 | Hes | Seems the near-zero average time should be extended. |
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| 14:46:53 | notch | Linus: we gould grab a typical NiMH dischagre curve, and generate a lookup or equation... |
| 14:47:15 | Linus | yeah, that is a beginning |
| 14:47:34 | notch | I can look into that if i'm not stepping on anyones toes! |
| 14:47:37 | Linus | however, that discharge curve only applies to constant current draw, i guess |
| 14:48:07 | notch | I might so some investigating... |
| 14:48:09 | Linus | notch: we still need a non-linear battery level meter |
| 14:48:19 | Linus | so go investigate |
| 14:48:28 | notch | :-) |
| 14:49:12 | Linus | i'm so confused by the distortion problems |
| 14:49:31 | Linus | and Micronas version number scheme |
| 14:49:52 | Linus | They say that they will increase the version number for each new release |
| 14:49:56 | Hes | Should i mail the charger patch to the list or do you want to take a look at it first? |
| 14:50:05 | Linus | Version D8 has no version number |
| 14:50:19 | Linus | Version F10 has number 0601 |
| 14:50:28 | Linus | abd version G10 seems to have 0501 |
| 14:50:45 | Linus | And G12 doesn't seem to have changed |
| 14:50:59 | Bagder | Hes: mail the list right away, imho |
| 14:51:06 | Linus | and all data sheets say different things |
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| 15:00:56 | notch | Okay, we cant use battery voltage to determine capacity. We need an energy counter whose size is determined dynamically, |
| 15:01:29 | notch | we can use -deltaV to determine full, and Vmin to determine empty. |
| 15:01:49 | Linus | yes |
| 15:02:09 | Linus | but -deltaV can only be applied if the charge rate is high enough |
| 15:02:20 | notch | We can take an average power consumption with HDD on and off, and use this to adjust the energy counter. |
| 15:03:11 | notch | has anyone tested to see if we get a deltaV or what the charge I is? |
| 15:03:48 | Hes | My patch shows an average deltaV for a shorter and a longer period |
| 15:04:57 | Linus | from what i have read, -deltaV detection is not reliable on batteries that have been used a while, not with a slow charge rate, such as C/10 |
| 15:05:10 | notch | :-( |
| 15:05:29 | Linus | the delta will be too small and too slow |
| 15:05:55 | Linus | i don't know the charge rate of the recorder charger |
| 15:06:15 | Linus | but i assume that the Player rate is about C/10 |
| 15:06:31 | Linus | since it has no software controlled charging |
| 15:07:44 | notch | takes about 6 hours on my recorder... so it's probably in the order of 350mA |
| 15:08:57 | Linus | That's quite high, about C/5 then |
| 15:09:09 | Hes | There. |
| 15:11:02 | notch | but since it's charging via a regulator, the current proabably drops off when the battery is near full! |
| 15:11:13 | notch | where the deltaV should be! |
| 15:12:00 | Hes | I could see the deltaV drop clearly |
| 15:12:20 | Hes | http://hes.iki.fi/misc/rockbox-charging.jpg |
| 15:12:33 | Linus | that's good. i can imagine that C/5 would be enough to rely on -deltaV |
| 15:12:39 | notch | shit that's good! |
| 15:12:48 | Hes | in the end of that graph... the automatic charge end code was not enabled for that graph |
| 15:13:02 | Linus | the articles i have read only suggested that C/10 would be too low for -deltaV |
| 15:13:39 | notch | what happens if the unit is being used whilst charging? |
| 15:14:02 | Linus | i guess that the charging will be slower |
| 15:14:07 | notch | we could get a HDD -deltaV ! |
| 15:14:09 | Hes | We take an average over enough samples to get over the voltage drops caused by the spinning disk |
| 15:14:24 | Hes | that's one possibility if we add code to see if the disk is spinning |
| 15:14:40 | Linus | we shouldn't measure when the disk is spinning |
| 15:15:04 | Linus | ata_disk_is_active() |
| 15:15:17 | Hes | unless the disk spins all the time for some reason |
| 15:15:57 | Linus | i suddenly realized that ata_disk_is_active is lame |
| 15:16:47 | Linus | and now i suddenly realize that it isn't :-) |
| 15:16:49 | notch | Would the regulator keep the voltage across the batterys constant when the HDD was on? Or would it droop? |
| 15:17:29 | Linus | the voltage across the batteries is what we measure |
| 15:18:00 | Hes | The battery voltage drops quite a lot when the HDD spins |
| 15:18:04 | Hes | especially when it starts up |
| 15:18:54 | notch | when charging? |
| 15:19:05 | Hes | Always |
| 15:19:10 | notch | ahh |
| 15:19:25 | Hes | Please try out my patch and observe |
| 15:19:39 | notch | okay will do... |
| 15:28:34 | matp|work | Hes: I am dumb. I don't understand what the AV decay time is... |
| 15:34:03 | matp|work | Also, I have noticed much more skipping with yesterday's build than Friday's. Is this a known issue? |
| 15:37:17 | Linus | not really |
| 15:42:15 | Bagder | does the current code attempt to shut down when the batteries run out? |
| 15:42:28 | Bagder | or does it just die like before? |
| 15:44:19 | Linus | it just dies, and will always do |
| 15:44:34 | notch | I'm $$%£^ trying to install CVS and have downloaded the automake version... any ideas what I type to install? |
| 15:44:49 | Linus | ./configure |
| 15:44:52 | Linus | ./install |
| 15:45:02 | Linus | (and 'make' in between) |
| 15:45:12 | Bagder | ./configure && make && make install probably |
| 15:45:18 | Linus | yes :-) |
| 15:45:32 | notch | cheers :-) |
| 15:45:52 | Linus | matp|work: high bitrate? |
| 15:48:33 | Linus | I haven't noticed any difference |
| 15:49:01 | matp|work | Linus: Variable bit rate. between 64 and 256 |
| 15:49:41 | matp|work | My normal walk to the train station it stopped 3 times |
| 15:50:03 | matp|work | I was getting 'end of song list. press ON' |
| 15:50:49 | Linus | i assume that the batteries were full? |
| 15:51:08 | matp|work | How do I boot to the archos firmware (yuck). I have the power connected, and it goes straight to the charging screen. |
| 15:51:41 | Linus | You don't |
| 15:51:56 | Linus | you have to replace or delete ajbrec.ajz |
| 15:52:15 | matp|work | Linus: yes, freshly charged that night. On the train, there was no skipping for an hour. Battery info claims it's 100% still (this is dubious). |
| 15:52:50 | matp|work | Linus: damn, forgot my usb cable. I want my batteries to be fresh for the journey home. |
| 15:53:23 | Linus | i don't get it. Why do you want to run the archos firmware? |
| 15:54:18 | Linus | if you want to charge, just start the unit with the power connected |
| 15:54:48 | matp|work | I thought the archos manual claims it recharges and plays at the same time. |
| 15:55:00 | Linus | aha, now i get it |
| 15:55:36 | matp|work | yeah, I want to listen for the rest of the afternoon, and still have enough charge to get home ;) |
| 15:56:00 | matp|work | I really could do with 10 hours worth of battery life :( |
| 15:56:30 | Linus | i just measured, i get 6hrs play time from my recorder with rockbox and (not really full, but almost) 1800mAh batteries |
| 15:58:30 | matp|work | That's about what I get, when I last measured. |
| 15:58:50 | matp|work | Anyway, this skipping has been introduced since Friday. |
| 15:59:09 | matp|work | Maybe it's overheating. It's 90 degrees in London at the moment :) |
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| 16:00:03 | Linus | interesting, i haven't made any changes that i think could cause skipping... |
| 16:00:22 | Linus | do you play directories or playlists |
| 16:00:24 | Linus | ? |
| 16:00:42 | * | webmind never managed to create a playlist on the player :) |
| 16:00:51 | matp|work | playlists all the way |
| 16:00:58 | Linus | shuffle? |
| 16:01:02 | * | webmind uses que |
| 16:01:10 | matp|work | yes |
| 16:01:21 | webmind | although i'd really like to be able to que more then one song :) |
| 16:02:34 | matp|work | Interesting that available memory is 1.5 MB. I assume that's 'normal' |
| 16:03:42 | Linus | That info just tells how large the MP3 buffer is, not how much of it that is in use |
| 16:16:22 | Bagder | hey |
| 16:16:41 | Bagder | the LCD shut off because of low power I guess |
| 16:16:48 | Bagder | but the music still plays |
| 16:16:52 | Bagder | *AAARGH |
| 16:16:55 | Bagder | Stupid me |
| 16:17:03 | * | Bagder hides and feels ashamed |
| 16:17:15 | Bagder | never mind me, move on ;-) |
| 16:17:44 | matp|work | It really tells us how much memory we're using for the application, non? |
| 16:17:53 | Linus | matp|work: yes |
| 16:18:15 | Bagder | or rather how much we're *not* using for the application ;-) |
| 16:18:30 | Linus | matp|work: but it has never skipped when the unit is still? |
| 16:20:06 | matp|work | no. and until friday, it never skipped when the unit was moving. |
| 16:20:45 | matp|work | I have been playing with the auto-volume settings. could this be it? |
| 16:21:04 | Linus | maybe, but i don't think so |
| 16:21:27 | matp|work | why is this setting in seconds? |
| 16:21:33 | Linus | please try to observe as many details as you can, like if it is more likely with certain songs... |
| 16:25:03 | Linus | The auto-volume setting is how many seconds it takes to raise the volume to normal level again after a volume drop |
| 16:26:37 | Linus | ok, time to go home |
| 16:26:54 | Linus | by all |
| 16:26:56 | Linus | bye |
| 16:26:57 | matp|work | bye |
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| 16:27:05 | Bagder | bye Linus |
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| 16:47:44 | Bagder | going home as well |
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