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| 09:02:51 | adi|home | hey bagder |
| 09:02:56 | adi|home | how goes it? |
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| 09:03:23 | Bagder | I broke the win32 build yday ;-) |
| 09:03:28 | adi|home | lol |
| 09:03:29 | adi|home | nice |
| 09:03:36 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:03:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 09:03:44 | * | adi|home started playing with the 'sleep' request |
| 09:03:47 | adi|home | for like songs |
| 09:04:07 | adi|home | just not sure what should happen when you reach the # of songs requested.. |
| 09:04:13 | adi|home | ie: stop playing, or shut down |
| 09:04:51 | Bagder | well, I think it could stop playing, as we will have the shutdown timeout anyway that should kick in then anyway |
| 09:05:23 | adi|home | nods |
| 09:05:32 | adi|home | now i just need to figure out how to stop the playing |
| 09:05:45 | adi|home | i guess i could just fake the 'stop' button being hit... |
| 09:14:02 | Bagder | mpeg_stop() should stop the playback |
| 09:17:16 | adi|home | right, but what about in playlists? |
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| 09:17:43 | Bagder | it doesn't matter |
| 09:18:15 | adi|home | well.. right now i have the functions needed in a seperate file, because i don't know wtf to put the info |
| 09:18:44 | adi|home | what if we are not playing a file yet? |
| 09:18:54 | adi|home | check out tree.c |
| 09:18:58 | adi|home | look fore mpeg_play |
| 09:19:10 | adi|home | the only case of that, is where im looking to put the first check for a limit |
| 09:24:21 | webmind | morning |
| 09:25:57 | adi|home | morning |
| 09:32:38 | adi|home | what is the mp3check that heiko mentions in the mailinglist? |
| 09:32:47 | Bagder | some kind of mp3 checking tool |
| 09:32:55 | Bagder | there was a URL in a previous mail |
| 09:33:30 | adi|home | nods |
| 09:33:32 | adi|home | just found it |
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| 10:04:00 | Bagder | morning Linus |
| 10:04:25 | Bagder | all builds are now green, including the mingw32 sim builds |
| 10:06:58 | Linus | great! |
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| 11:11:49 | Linus | mbr: are you awake? |
| 11:14:48 | Hes | Good morning |
| 11:14:54 | Hes | Linus: tried the charger yet? |
| 11:15:07 | Linus | Nope, no time... |
| 11:17:25 | Hes | ASM02 is over, http://hes.iki.fi/photo/20020801-asm/ and http://tnsp.org/asm02wank.jpg |
| 11:17:39 | Linus | Hes: did you send the latest patch? |
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| 11:26:02 | NJoin | Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) |
| 11:26:28 | Hes | Yes |
| 11:26:36 | Linus | Bagder: at home? |
| 11:26:46 | Bagder | no, at neti |
| 11:26:48 | Hes | I sent it on friday |
| 11:27:00 | Linus | ah, muh on your home machine? |
| 11:27:17 | Bagder | yeps, since I need to tunnel through ssh |
| 11:36:35 | Linus | Hes: trying it now... |
| 11:39:42 | Linus | Hes: is there any way to see that it has stopped charging except seeing the voltage drop again? |
| 11:54:57 | Hadaka | I wonder if my batteries are dead.. |
| 11:55:15 | Linus | dead? |
| 11:57:10 | Hadaka | well I don't think this is a battery contact issue anymore |
| 11:57:17 | Hadaka | I can hardly ever boot my archos |
| 11:57:42 | Hadaka | but if I happen to press the batteries just about correctly, I can get it to boot - but it refuses to spin up the HD |
| 11:57:45 | Hadaka | etc. etc. |
| 11:57:54 | Linus | nasty |
| 11:58:36 | Hadaka | yes - I had the battery contact problem before - so I've been believing it's all about that still |
| 11:58:45 | Linus | what happens if you charge them with another charger, externally? |
| 11:58:54 | Hadaka | haven't had the chance to do that yet |
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| 12:00:44 | Hadaka | umm |
| 12:01:04 | Hadaka | what happens with batteries when the "suddenly" decide they are not going to hold just about any charge at all |
| 12:02:44 | Linus | i guess they are worn out |
| 12:02:54 | Linus | do you charge them often? |
| 12:07:42 | adi|home | btw linus |
| 12:07:49 | adi|home | the battery line display |
| 12:08:09 | adi|home | the code that calls that... should that be assumed to be what we use for the future 'battery indicator'? |
| 12:09:08 | adi|home | if so.. i know there is code in CVS that gives a better indicator.. taht we can use as a base.. |
| 12:09:11 | * | adi|home heads back to bed |
| 12:10:41 | Linus | I guess you mean the battery line in WPS for the recorder? |
| 12:11:02 | Linus | That is a quick hack by Björn, that is not going to be used in the future |
| 12:11:49 | Hadaka | I've had that happen to my old laptop's battery, almost to my newer laptop's battery - and now it feels like it's come to the same with this rockbox |
| 12:11:53 | Hadaka | sorry, was afk a bit |
| 12:11:56 | Linus | we will go for a status bar approach, much like the patch sent by Markus Braun |
| 12:12:23 | Linus | Hadaka: i had the same problem with a thinkpad battery a while ago |
| 12:13:00 | Hadaka | my "newer" laptop is a thinkpad ;) |
| 12:13:07 | Linus | i think that is likely to happen with batteries that are constantly charging, like when you work with your laptop connected to the charger all day |
| 12:14:01 | Linus | that is why Hes added the "deep discharge" option to the rockbox charger |
| 12:14:37 | Hadaka | whaaat? there's such a thing there? |
| 12:14:51 | Linus | in his patch, yes |
| 12:15:00 | Hadaka | ugh, patch |
| 12:15:12 | Hadaka | I wonder if I should try that |
| 12:15:13 | Linus | it won't charge until the batteries are nearly discharged |
| 12:15:22 | Linus | 10% capacity |
| 12:15:42 | Hadaka | oh hmm |
| 12:16:46 | Linus | and i honestly dont know if NiMh batteries have any memory effect at all |
| 12:16:51 | Hes | Linus: you can see charger status messages on screen 2 of the charger debugger |
| 12:17:01 | Linus | screen2? |
| 12:17:23 | Hes | click down/up a few times |
| 12:17:34 | Linus | aha... |
| 12:17:42 | Hes | there are three views |
| 12:18:41 | Linus | beautiful |
| 12:18:49 | Hadaka | hmm |
| 12:19:24 | Hes | Hadaka: please try out the patch... sent the latest version to the list on friday |
| 12:19:55 | Hes | I'm pretty sure it works quite well, only thing is that it might cut the charging a little bit too early but that should be tuned based on experience |
| 12:20:24 | Hadaka | Hes: I'm not on the list, and I don't have access to CVS from work - so I'd have to download the daily tarball, find the patch from the archives, apply it and hope it does that cleanly - and then try and get it working |
| 12:20:28 | Hadaka | which is a bit much during work hours |
| 12:21:18 | Hes | Oh, ok. |
| 12:21:21 | Hes | Want a patched image? |
| 12:21:27 | Hes | recorder, right? |
| 12:21:43 | Hadaka | recorder 20, yes |
| 12:22:14 | Hes | I'll build a current one now, I want the latest CVS code for mine as well anyway |
| 12:22:56 | Linus | Hes: this looks very promising |
| 12:23:22 | Hes | BTW, about backlight setting to 0 (re: "bugs in the current CVS" of Eric Linenberg) |
| 12:23:34 | Hes | I'd like to be able to set the backlight to "always on" or "always off" |
| 12:24:27 | Linus | My suggestion was OFF..1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9......15..ON |
| 12:24:58 | Linus | when OFF and ON were "always off" and "always on" |
| 12:25:57 | Linus | but maybe OFF..ON..1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8 is better? |
| 12:26:03 | mbr | hello everyone |
| 12:26:10 | Linus | hi mbr! |
| 12:26:24 | mbr | Hi Linus |
| 12:26:47 | mbr | Tried to reste the HT bit this weekend. Works only partial. |
| 12:26:59 | mbr | I loose 30 Seconds every reboot. |
| 12:27:23 | Linus | i have a question regarding your status bar patch |
| 12:27:29 | mbr | Yes ... |
| 12:28:07 | Hes | Linus: maybe yes |
| 12:28:43 | Hes | Hadaka: http://hes.iki.fi/misc/ajbrec.ajz |
| 12:28:46 | Linus | i just found out myself... :-) |
| 12:28:58 | Hes | current cvs + the latest charger patch |
| 12:29:14 | Hes | Adds a battery debug view too |
| 12:29:44 | Hes | The charger thread only runs once per minute, so it won't notice charger insertion/removal instantly |
| 12:29:59 | Linus | mbr: how come you put it in firmware/drivers/lcd.c, and not in apps/status.c? |
| 12:30:27 | mbr | You mean the icon things? |
| 12:31:03 | mbr | I just thought the hw display sould go to lcd. Should it not? |
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| 12:32:24 | Linus | mbr: i think the positions of the status bar icons sould be decided by the application and not the LCD driver |
| 12:33:57 | mbr | Only the position of the icons? The drawing routine can be in the LCD driver? |
| 12:34:10 | Linus | i'm not sure yet |
| 12:34:44 | Linus | i just think that the status bar is a little too high-level for the LCD driver to implement |
| 12:35:15 | mbr | Hmm ... |
| 12:37:02 | Linus | otherwise, the patch certainly adds a nice touch to the UI |
| 12:37:39 | Linus | i have also thought of a status thread that does the status bar update in the background |
| 12:37:55 | mbr | I know it is not nice ... |
| 12:38:32 | mbr | A complete thread to update the status may be an overkill |
| 12:39:46 | mbr | maybe there should be a thread which periodic runs functions |
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| 12:40:59 | zebda3 | hi all |
| 12:41:04 | Linus | mbr: you are right |
| 12:41:16 | Linus | maybe some kind of a 'cron' thread? |
| 12:41:21 | Linus | zebda3: hi |
| 12:41:53 | mbr | Yes, was my thought, too. with a register and deregister function. |
| 12:42:14 | zebda3 | could someone send me a compiled version for tzhe recorder with the "status bar" patch, I'd like to try it and give my impressions, but I've actually no way to compile it, thanks YOu could send me it at bmidypim@softhome.net |
| 12:42:26 | Hadaka | puh, workstuff |
| 12:42:34 | Hadaka | now installing that firmware |
| 12:42:35 | Hes | Hadaka: got the file? |
| 12:42:41 | Hadaka | yup |
| 12:43:31 | mbr | I put the latest version on http://www.stz-softwaretechnik.de/~mb |
| 12:43:43 | Hadaka | now I must try and get this thing to boot :( |
| 12:44:11 | Hes | heh, should set up a separate CVS tree & automatic builds with the latest experimental patches 8-) |
| 12:45:07 | mbr | zebda3: is there |
| 12:45:28 | zebda3 | mbr: thanks I'll see it now |
| 12:45:54 | zebda3 | mbr: I'll try it now |
| 12:46:01 | Linus | mbr: however, it might be better if lcd updates are done by the thread that "owns" the lcd... |
| 12:46:13 | Linus | to prevent multiple updates |
| 12:47:22 | mbr | But then you have a problem with tree.c Then the lcd is not updated until one presses a key .. |
| 12:48:31 | Linus | mbr: that can be changed |
| 12:49:28 | zebda3 | mbr: I just see it ! really impressive for a first try, I think that could make some people coming to Rockbox if the UI will be designed in a such way. |
| 12:49:37 | mbr | OK. Then tree.c shall update the complete lcd periodicaly? |
| 12:49:51 | Linus | mbr: yes |
| 12:50:19 | zebda3 | mbr: I've also notes that with this build my big file (~45 or 90 mins from numerized K7) displayed correct time ! |
| 12:51:08 | zebda3 | mbr: do you put regullary updated build for the recorder at : http://www.stz-softwaretechnik.de/~mb/ ? |
| 12:51:30 | mbr | OK. I modify it. What about the drawing routins, should the move to status.c? |
| 12:51:56 | mbr | zebda3: not really up to now, but I will do. |
| 12:52:20 | zebda3 | mbr: ok thanks for all , I've to go now |
| 12:52:22 | zebda3 | bye |
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| 12:58:17 | Linus | mbr: for example, you could put your icons in apps/recorder/icons.c |
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| 13:00:59 | mbr | OK. What should I do with the DRAW_PIXEL macro? Generate a bitmap an call the lcd_bitmap function? |
| 13:02:07 | Linus | move it to lcd.h enclosed in an #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
| 13:02:49 | Linus | along with an extern declaration of "display" |
| 13:03:11 | Linus | and maybe rename "display" to something better, like "lcd_framebuffer" |
| 13:03:15 | Linus | or something |
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| 13:03:22 | mbr | OK. |
| 13:04:48 | mbr | What about the modifications to tree and wps? |
| 13:04:56 | mbr | Are they ok? |
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| 13:38:42 | dwihno | Linus: Is it possible to utilize the contrast feature on the LCD to simulate more colors? |
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| 13:51:37 | Hadaka | hmm |
| 13:51:45 | Bagder | peer is in the mood today ;-) |
| 13:51:51 | Hadaka | I wonder if I could do anything to make the connections between the batteries and the unit better |
| 13:53:19 | Hadaka | I'm truly having insane difficulties in booting the unit |
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| 14:00:57 | Hadaka | oof |
| 14:01:03 | Hadaka | I just can't get this thing to boot |
| 14:01:22 | Hadaka | at times I get it up to the point where it would spin up the HD - and then it gives HD error when it can't |
| 14:05:37 | Linus | dwihno: i guess not |
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| 14:22:28 | elinenbe | hello there! morning all. |
| 14:23:09 | Bagder | hey |
| 14:23:57 | elinenbe | Who is in charge of the battery patch? Hes? |
| 14:24:08 | Bagder | hes is the man |
| 14:24:17 | elinenbe | why is that not in the CVS yet? |
| 14:24:29 | elinenbe | It seems to be working pretty well here. |
| 14:24:43 | Bagder | I've left that to Linus and Hes to work out |
| 14:24:43 | elinenbe | I do not think the deep discharge should be an option however. |
| 14:24:52 | Bagder | elinenbe: why not? |
| 14:25:02 | elinenbe | something like battery charging should not be left up to the user. |
| 14:25:24 | elinenbe | never had I ever had an electronic device where I had to set it how to charge/discharge the batteries |
| 14:25:25 | Bagder | well, for people that keep the charger attached to their archos all the time, it should be |
| 14:25:38 | elinenbe | But, it detects that. |
| 14:26:20 | Bagder | yes, but it would go easier on the batteries of it discharges "deep" |
| 14:26:20 | elinenbe | it detects if the charger is plugged in or not. |
| 14:26:45 | elinenbe | so, then shouldn't that be the default setting? |
| 14:26:49 | elinenbe | cd buil |
| 14:26:51 | Bagder | and if you charge them over night or something to have it charged in the morning, you don't want deep discharge |
| 14:27:03 | Hes_ | elinenbe: I don't understand your point at all. |
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| 14:31:46 | NJoin | Hes_ [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) |
| 14:31:48 | Bagder | whatever the designer wants |
| 14:31:52 | Hadaka | I hope it helps and not hurts |
| 14:33:53 | Hadaka | ok now I discharged my Li-Ion laptop battery to the very end |
| 14:34:01 | Hadaka | and now I'm letting it charge to full without turning it on |
| 14:34:59 | Hes_ | Hm... what was the last line you got from me? |
| 14:51:06 | | Nick Linus|lunch is now known as Linus (~linus@193.15.23.131) |
| 14:51:16 | elinenbe | Hello! |
| 14:51:20 | dwihno | HELLO! :D |
| 14:51:21 | elinenbe | Bonjour! |
| 14:51:28 | Linus | yo! |
| 14:51:40 | dwihno | comment allez vous? |
| 14:52:08 | Linus | bien. merci, et vous? |
| 14:52:14 | dwihno | c'est parfait :) |
| 14:52:21 | Linus | impeccable |
| 14:52:21 | dwihno | une baguette pour moi, s'il vous plait :) |
| 14:52:55 | dwihno | Linus: is it possible to determine if the connection type is UBS1.1 or USB2? |
| 14:54:41 | Linus | when? |
| 14:54:59 | dwihno | When the unit is connected to a PC |
| 14:55:03 | dwihno | When entering the "usb mode" |
| 14:55:17 | Linus | i don't know, meybe... |
| 14:55:19 | Linus | maybe |
| 14:55:48 | Linus | i'm not sure if the i2c bus is connected to the ISDx00 |
| 14:56:06 | Linus | why? |
| 14:56:28 | dwihno | I'll show you in a jiffy |
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| 14:57:00 | elinenbe | what excatly is dircursor in tree.c? |
| 14:57:08 | elinenbe | I am feeling lazy here. |
| 14:57:56 | Linus | elinenbe: it is the index where the cursor is |
| 14:58:05 | elinenbe | Linus: thanks. |
| 14:58:18 | elinenbe | Linus: that'll do donkey, that'll do. |
| 14:58:48 | Linus | rather, the cursor position on the screen |
| 14:59:19 | Linus | and "start" is the index in the file list of the file that is on top of the screen |
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| 15:00:00 | Linus | start+dircursor is the index of the file the cursor is pointing to |
| 15:00:20 | elinenbe | Linus: got it, thanks. |
| 15:00:30 | dwihno | http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/ |
| 15:00:36 | dwihno | Check it and tell me what you think |
| 15:01:29 | Linus | you mean to display when in USB mode? |
| 15:01:41 | dwihno | yeah |
| 15:02:46 | Linus | nice, but try to fit them in 112x64 |
| 15:03:03 | dwihno | It looks a bit fishy in 2 bit :-) |
| 15:03:06 | dwihno | I'll work on it |
| 15:03:38 | dwihno | Which do you guys prefer |
| 15:03:39 | dwihno | ? |
| 15:04:44 | elinenbe | I like http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb1_2.gif |
| 15:05:00 | elinenbe | but maybe have the usb logon on the plug... |
| 15:05:05 | elinenbe | like a real usb adapter. |
| 15:05:09 | dwihno | ? |
| 15:05:16 | elinenbe | the circle triangle square thing... |
| 15:05:22 | dwihno | ? |
| 15:05:23 | dwihno | :-) |
| 15:05:31 | elinenbe | well, on the body of the plug. leave the plug there. |
| 15:05:33 | Hadaka | hmm |
| 15:05:49 | dwihno | ah |
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| 15:05:50 | Hadaka | every time I unplug the charger from my laptop and plug it in again, it charges for a while |
| 15:05:52 | dwihno | I see |
| 15:06:08 | Hadaka | I hope I'm not breaking the battery by this, but I do have to get more charge in it |
| 15:06:37 | dwihno | So the "empty" design with the USB logo (or whateveryoucallit) will do? |
| 15:07:28 | dwihno | If it is possible to check whether it's a hi-speed or usb1.1 connection, it would be cool to display the "hi-speed" thingy too :) |
| 15:07:28 | elinenbe | yeah. at least I like that one. |
| 15:07:41 | elinenbe | dwihno: agreed. |
| 15:07:43 | Linus | dwihno: i agree with elinenbe, usb1_2.gif with the USB logo is perfect |
| 15:08:12 | Linus | dwihno: i don't think we can see if the connection is hogh-speed or not |
| 15:09:20 | dwihno | Linus: too bad, it would look really cool with separate graphics for the different USB connection types :) |
| 15:10:08 | Linus | dwihno: yeah |
| 15:10:42 | Hadaka | gah |
| 15:10:48 | Hadaka | apm says my battery level is 35% |
| 15:10:56 | Hadaka | and it isn't charging |
| 15:11:40 | Hadaka | I'll let it drop down to 4% again and charge again or something |
| 15:11:43 | Hadaka | and see what happens |
| 15:12:55 | elinenbe | http://www.geniusnet.com.tw/product/game/pic/usb-logo.gif |
| 15:13:40 | Linus | that was nice |
| 15:14:00 | elinenbe | http://www.antares.ru/reviews/usb.gif |
| 15:14:03 | elinenbe | with that.... |
| 15:19:40 | dwihno | Working on it |
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| 15:34:28 | Linus | mbr: are you there? |
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| 15:34:39 | mbr | Yes, I'm here |
| 15:34:54 | Linus | i think the volume gauge is a little wide |
| 15:35:09 | Linus | i think it can easily be half the width |
| 15:35:35 | Linus | maybe two pixels per step |
| 15:35:55 | Linus | and instead have a wider battery |
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| 15:37:25 | mbr | OK, can change it. |
| 15:37:51 | mbr | I already moved the icon stuff from lcd to recoder/icons |
| 15:38:16 | mbr | Shall the slidebar and progressbar also bee moved? |
| 15:38:47 | mbr | I think when icons should move, the bars should also move. |
| 15:38:55 | Bagder | it makes sense |
| 15:44:31 | elinenbe | another bug... when you plug the USB cord in while you are in a menu, the [USB MODE] does not get removed until you press a button |
| 15:47:02 | Linus | elinenbe: yes, that is a bug. The menus can't handle USB mode |
| 15:47:35 | Linus | elinenbe: the USB MODE text should not appear at all |
| 15:48:44 | dwihno | ah |
| 15:48:45 | elinenbe | hmmmm... it appeared and worked here. |
| 15:48:47 | dwihno | Reminds me of a bug |
| 15:49:11 | Hadaka | grr I hope this laptop battery is not hopelessly dead |
| 15:49:14 | dwihno | When in the WPS and I press 'on' to return to the dir browser, and press 'on' again, the file name only keeps the 2 first chars (numbers) |
| 15:49:18 | dwihno | No ID3 tags |
| 15:49:25 | dwihno | Using the "parse" WPS option |
| 15:49:36 | Hadaka | there isn't supposed to be any catastrophic failure with Li-Ion batteries though |
| 15:50:10 | Hadaka | it's as if the charger just decides that the battery cannot be charged further, even though the voltage is very low |
| 15:50:24 | Hadaka | it's not the temperature either |
| 15:50:45 | Hadaka | so the only thing I can think of is that the voltage-delta gets too small for the charger and so it refuses to charge it |
| 15:53:53 | Hadaka | so I'll have to keep plugging and unpluggin the charger to make it charge :( |
| 15:54:04 | Hadaka | oo but now my archos claims it has full charge |
| 15:55:34 | Linus | Hes_: we might want to try a trickle charge feature in the future |
| 15:56:08 | Hadaka | hey, how's the power on thingy implemented in machines like this |
| 15:56:11 | Hadaka | or |
| 15:56:22 | Hadaka | why does the machine power on every now and then when I just put the batteries in |
| 15:56:45 | Hadaka | and why is it sometimes only able to power up if I hold the on button down, powering down immediately if I release it? |
| 15:57:27 | Linus | are you still talking about your laptop? |
| 15:57:43 | Hadaka | no, the last 4 comments were about archos |
| 15:58:27 | Linus | that sounds like a faulty battery, or that you have a broken unit |
| 15:58:36 | Hadaka | I hope it's the former |
| 15:58:58 | Hadaka | atleast the behaviour changes radically when I poke the batteries |
| 15:59:01 | Linus | if you release ON when the HD has stopped spinning...? |
| 15:59:15 | Hadaka | well right now, I can't get the HD to spin up at all |
| 15:59:36 | Linus | ok, any dirt on the battery connectors? |
| 15:59:53 | Linus | i had corrosion on my player connectors |
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| 16:00:29 | Hadaka | well the ones at the pointy ends have experiensed some wear |
| 16:00:45 | Hadaka | you can see shinier metal brushed up |
| 16:01:34 | Hadaka | I've been wondering how I could make sure that the connection is ok or is not ok |
| 16:04:34 | Hadaka | a-ha! |
| 16:05:06 | Hadaka | if I twist the pad that has the weirder cross wire connection in the spring, I get it to boot a bit |
| 16:05:27 | Hadaka | ah no |
| 16:05:33 | Hadaka | I can get it to happen on both sides |
| 16:05:43 | Linus | Hadaka: BTW, the machine always powers up when you insert the batteries |
| 16:05:51 | Hadaka | and it seems to just happen when the batteries get disconnected and connected by the twist |
| 16:06:13 | Hadaka | always? |
| 16:06:17 | Hes_ | Linus: yeah, we could perhaps do trickle charge |
| 16:06:35 | Linus | Hadaka: yeah, mine does |
| 16:06:50 | Hadaka | so if I can disconnect and connect the batteries on one side and it doesn't power up, then something is wrong |
| 16:06:53 | Linus | Hes_: that might be good |
| 16:06:56 | Hes_ | when battery is full, go to trickle charge mode, adjust duty cycle to keep the voltage up. |
| 16:07:01 | Linus | Hadaka: yes |
| 16:07:10 | Hes_ | But let's save that for version 2 for now 8-) |
| 16:07:23 | Linus | indeed |
| 16:07:55 | Linus | i am considering to include the battery charge in 1.2 |
| 16:08:07 | Hadaka | still no-one has a clue what that going over the battery spring connection does? |
| 16:08:12 | dwihno | Is the battery charging code that good already? |
| 16:08:22 | elinenbe | Linus: add it. |
| 16:08:24 | elinenbe | :) |
| 16:08:37 | Linus | dwihno: it works |
| 16:09:05 | Linus | we can still make adjustments when it comes to threshold values, but in general it works |
| 16:09:08 | Hadaka | there is definitely some problem with battery connection on this machine, that I'm sure of |
| 16:09:23 | dwihno | Linus: cool! :-) didn't know that |
| 16:09:48 | * | Bagder says "go battery charging code, go!" |
| 16:10:07 | Hadaka | but I don't have a way to verify this, since I can't get it to boot, even just once |
| 16:10:10 | Linus | we can at least add it to the CVS like we did with the disk settings |
| 16:10:43 | Linus | Hadaka: if you press the two blue pads together in each end? |
| 16:10:57 | Linus | towards the batteries |
| 16:11:26 | Hadaka | I seem to be getting a bit better connection yes, but not enough to spin up the hd |
| 16:11:49 | Linus | You should take it apart and look at the soldering pads |
| 16:12:05 | Linus | maybe heat them up with a soldering iron |
| 16:12:13 | Hes_ | I'd say the charging code is good enough for 1.2 |
| 16:12:47 | Linus | Hes_: how long was you longest charge time with zero-delta detection? |
| 16:13:08 | Hadaka | I'd rather not take this thing apart as long as I still have my warranty |
| 16:13:18 | Linus | i'm thinking that 16 hours may be too long |
| 16:13:24 | Linus | Hadaka: true |
| 16:13:39 | Hes_ | Linus: didn't time it... 16 hours might definetely be too long |
| 16:13:51 | dwihno | http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_new.gif - have a peek |
| 16:13:52 | Linus | i would make it 8 |
| 16:13:59 | Hes_ | from 10% (deep discharge mode) it took 133 mins now |
| 16:14:07 | Hes_ | maybe even 6h |
| 16:14:51 | elinenbe | dwihno: that is really nice. |
| 16:15:11 | dwihno | elinenbe: any ideas of more improvements? |
| 16:15:13 | elinenbe | dwihno: maybe I would get rid of the "8" as a plug and make it a "0" |
| 16:15:25 | elinenbe | that is all I can think of. but otherwise it is really nice. |
| 16:15:54 | Hadaka | hmm, should I try and let the batteries run entirely dry and then charging them to full again? |
| 16:16:25 | Linus | Hadaka: you could try it, but i smell hardware trouble... |
| 16:16:57 | elinenbe | I have a question. why is there character by character scrolling and not pixel by pixel scrolling? |
| 16:16:57 | Hadaka | I'll have to try an external charger when I get home - and try and find that extra set of batteries they gave with the unit |
| 16:17:22 | Linus | elinenbe: because it was easy to do, and on the player we only have characters |
| 16:17:39 | elinenbe | maybe I will implement pixel by pixel scrolling on the recorder... |
| 16:17:48 | elinenbe | I think that would look nice :-) |
| 16:18:02 | Linus | elinenbe: please do so, it will definitely make the proportional text look better |
| 16:18:43 | mbr | Must go. Bye! |
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| 16:20:56 | dwihno | elinenbe: http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_el.gif |
| 16:21:49 | Linus | dwihno: looks good |
| 16:22:05 | dwihno | More improvement ideas or should we use this one? |
| 16:22:10 | Bagder | I like it |
| 16:22:55 | Linus | use it |
| 16:23:05 | Linus | it needs a little retouching |
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| 16:23:28 | elinenbe | I like it. |
| 16:25:10 | dwihno | Linus: I'll fix it rightaway... |
| 16:25:22 | Linus | great |
| 16:25:34 | dwihno | Except the USB symbol, what needs to be done? |
| 16:25:37 | Bagder | Hes, you got CVS access to commit your charging code? |
| 16:27:18 | Linus | dwihno: for example, there's an extra pixel in the top right corner of the inner square of the connector |
| 16:27:28 | dwihno | http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif - use this one |
| 16:29:32 | Linus | keep the gif there, ald i'll use it later |
| 16:29:37 | dwihno | ok |
| 16:29:58 | Linus | i have to go now |
| 16:30:38 | Bagder | bye Linus |
| 16:30:46 | dwihno | byebye |
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| 16:35:01 | dwihno | Adapting vector graphics for lo-res is a pain in the arse! |
| 16:35:43 | mecraw | Bagder: I saw that you committed a patch to on Friday to enable switching shuffle modes to take affect when the song changes... |
| 16:35:54 | Bagder | I did |
| 16:36:12 | Bagder | or rather when the menu option is changed |
| 16:36:20 | Bagder | config option |
| 16:36:25 | mecraw | I was wondering if you ever took a look at the patch I submitted in mid-July. http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-07/0239.shtml |
| 16:36:47 | Bagder | I didn't... |
| 16:36:48 | mecraw | It's similar, but has an additional feature or two. |
| 16:38:02 | mecraw | It keeps the same shuffle order when you switch back to shuffle and will restart from where you left off in shuffle mode. |
| 16:38:23 | Bagder | nice |
| 16:38:52 | Bagder | I didn't see this before, I was away at that time and probably missed it when I scanned through all those mails when I got back |
| 16:39:07 | Bagder | could you make a new one against the current code? |
| 16:39:12 | mecraw | Cool, I'm just glad to see someone else finds that functionality useful. :) |
| 16:39:37 | mecraw | Probably not for a week or so, I'm in the middle of a move. |
| 16:41:28 | Bagder | well, I can wait a week ;-) |
| 16:43:49 | mecraw | Ok, I'll set up my box as soon as I can. I can't wait to be doing builds from CVS again, I'm having withdrawal. |
| 16:47:12 | elinenbe | TOOG! |
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| 17:11:09 | Bagder | gotta go, see ya |
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| 17:45:03 | Hadaka | YAY |
| 17:45:15 | Hadaka | I finally got this thing to boot |
| 17:46:15 | Hadaka | ookay, deep discharge |
| 17:46:31 | Hadaka | now it's on |
| 17:51:53 | Hadaka | can I turn the charger on unconditionally somehow? |
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| 18:12:24 | elinenbe | later |
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| 20:02:11 | Hes_ | Hadaka: Not really |
| 20:02:31 | Hes_ | It'll discharge to the limit quite soon though |
| 20:02:41 | Hes_ | if you play some stuff |
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| 23:42:24 | Bagder | ... the first t-shirt design has been received! |
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| 23:48:38 | Bagder | http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/tshirt-contest/designs.html |
| 23:48:43 | Lovechild | kewl |
| 23:49:00 | Lovechild | I would love to go see it, but I broke my broswer |
| 23:49:05 | Bagder | hehe |
| 23:49:24 | Lovechild | I accidently deleted /usr/kde instead of /usr/kde/cvs |
| 23:49:31 | Bagder | ouch |
| 23:49:40 | Lovechild | well not as bad as the last time... |
| 23:50:14 | Lovechild | did rm -rf * in the wrong xterm... sadly I was root and I was sitting in / |
| 23:50:23 | Bagder | whoa |
| 23:50:32 | Bagder | you seem good at rm'ing ;-) |
| 23:50:59 | Lovechild | Bagder: learning by doing... same way I'm learning C++.... Wait that broke shit... we don't do that again |
| 23:53:26 | Bagder | I know what you mean |
| 23:53:34 | Bagder | I've done my fair share of mistakes as well |
| 23:53:51 | Bagder | I once uploaded a new shell to a box using ftp... |
| 23:53:51 | Lovechild | like you only do while(1) {malloc(60) } once :) |
| 23:54:04 | Bagder | the shell everyone used, including root |
| 23:54:12 | Bagder | and ftp doesn'r set the +x bit |
| 23:54:26 | Lovechild | ah..I see so that totally screwed the boxen |
| 23:54:33 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:57:22 | Lovechild | so what's new in the daily builds now a day... charging ? |
| 23:57:33 | Bagder | no, not yet |
| 23:58:03 | Lovechild | ah, it's the only thing between me and rockbox - I hate the fact that I can't recharge while playing tunes... |
| 23:58:18 | dwihno | Good morning |
| 23:58:27 | Bagder | I expect the charging to get applied any day now |
| 23:58:33 | * | Lovechild looks out window.... hrmm it's nighttime here |
| 23:58:58 | ripnetuk | is that patch for the status line going in soon??? or are you waiting until a overall screen stratagy is decided on? |
| 23:59:26 | ripnetuk | btw thanks for adding me to credits for so little work on the UI sim (George Styles)... i will try and do more on the project to earn my place |
| 23:59:44 | Bagder | ripnetuk: Linus and mbr discussed it today and mbr is reworking it a little |
| 23:59:54 | Bagder | :-) |
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