00:11:30 | Zagor | hmm |
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00:12:22 | Zagor | I just added an url icon for the web site, check it out. |
00:12:39 | Zagor | it's not much, but 16x16 is hard to work with... |
00:13:09 | dwihno | the topic should be updated. |
00:14:51 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
00:15:02 | Topic | "http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/" by Zagor (~bjst@dhcp111.contactor.se) |
00:15:07 | Zagor | tada |
00:15:14 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Zagor " by Zagor (~bjst@dhcp111.contactor.se) |
00:16:29 | dwihno | :D |
00:16:34 | dwihno | you are SO cool :) |
00:16:38 | dwihno | Zagor Coolor |
00:16:44 | dwihno | Where is the icon thingy? |
00:16:49 | dwihno | I don't get any such thing |
00:16:55 | Zagor | are you using msie? |
00:17:54 | dwihno | yap |
00:18:02 | dwihno | msie = good |
00:18:04 | Zagor | do you get an icon from www.mozilla.org? |
00:20:07 | dwihno | lemme check |
00:21:27 | dwihno | nay |
00:22:22 | Zagor | ok, then msie don't support png icons. *sigh* |
00:23:02 | dwihno | msie - "retarded technology ever since 1997" ;) |
00:27:54 | freshmaker | nice favicon. It sould be considered as art to put "What's RockBox about" into 16x16. |
00:29:05 | freshmaker | ...ah, and mozilla rocks |
00:29:52 | dwihno | :-) |
00:29:55 | Zagor | there's another icon test at http://bjorn.haxx.se/test2/ |
00:30:22 | Zagor | the whole logo, squeezed into 16x16 :-) |
00:31:04 | freshmaker | no, the key is much better. |
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00:31:41 | Zagor | yes, I think so too. I just had to see what the squeezed logo looked like :-) |
00:31:54 | dwihno | I think it looks great! :) |
00:32:01 | dwihno | Great work, Zagor! :) |
00:32:21 | Zagor | dwihno: which of them? |
00:32:54 | mistaRx | what looks great?! |
00:33:24 | Zagor | I added a favicon to the web page. reload it in mozilla and you'll get a small icon in the address field |
00:33:26 | freshmaker | maybe the key/clef will become a real meme... |
00:33:34 | adi|home | umm.. zagor, i dont see any icon at the link you gave |
00:33:52 | Zagor | adi|home: yeah, it only works in mozilla right now. fixing an .ico file now. |
00:34:10 | adi|home | got ya... |
00:34:29 | adi|home | im hoping in shower |
00:34:31 | adi|home | brb |
00:34:47 | dwihno | Zagor: both :) |
00:37:06 | Zagor | dwihno: are you getting an icon now? |
00:38:37 | dwihno | nay |
00:40:01 | adi|home | i get file not found zagor |
00:40:09 | Zagor | hum... |
00:40:28 | Zagor | still now? |
00:40:44 | adi|home | test2 still not found |
00:40:54 | Zagor | nono, look at rockbox.haxx.se |
00:40:56 | dwihno | still nothing |
00:41:38 | adi|home | http://rockbox.haxx.se/test2/ |
00:41:39 | adi|home | ? |
00:41:48 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se |
00:41:51 | adi|home | k |
00:42:13 | adi|home | what am i looking for now? |
00:42:38 | Zagor | an icon in the address field. or maybe msie doesn't even show it until you bookmark the page... |
00:42:49 | adi|home | im on netscape |
00:42:59 | adi|home | so im not gonna get it then |
00:43:06 | Zagor | oh, then you won't get it whatever you do :-) only newer browsers do this. |
00:43:13 | Zagor | dwihno: still not getting it? |
00:44:39 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
00:44:39 | * | adi|home heads to his ambulance core |
00:44:41 | adi|home | see you all later |
00:44:48 | Zagor | bye |
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00:49:33 | dwihno | Zagor: nothing |
00:49:52 | Zagor | can you point me to a site where it works? |
00:50:32 | Zagor | www.favicon.com ? |
00:52:46 | dwihno | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/archivejoymain00.html |
00:52:48 | dwihno | that one works |
00:57:14 | Zagor | umm, that one has no icon info in the page. sure you haven't bookmarked the site? |
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00:57:32 | dwihno | hmm |
00:57:34 | dwihno | I did that |
00:57:50 | Zagor | that's why then. try bookmarking the rockbox page. |
00:58:25 | dwihno | it worked ;) |
00:58:39 | Zagor | nice |
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07:20:27 | dwihno | Good morning! :D |
07:20:43 | dwihno | For the first time in 1 week, I'm up with the tupp! |
07:20:44 | Linus | yo! |
07:20:50 | Linus | :-) |
07:21:02 | dwihno | (but I feel like shit ^_^) |
07:21:46 | dwihno | After reading your mail about the "shuffle, start file at cursor" issue, I have to agree. |
07:23:30 | Linus | we are sure running out of keys on the player... |
07:24:02 | dwihno | well, boo hoo :-) |
07:24:23 | dwihno | Making it a configuration setting then+ |
07:24:24 | dwihno | ? |
07:24:54 | Linus | that's a possibility |
07:25:07 | Linus | or always play the marked file on the player' |
07:25:42 | dwihno | There's another possibility too... |
07:26:14 | dwihno | If you "play the directory" there is no marked file to consider. |
07:26:48 | Linus | but then it will be hard to play the root |
07:28:05 | dwihno | hmm |
07:28:59 | dwihno | what about this... |
07:29:35 | dwihno | just tapping the play buttin with a marked file starts the file @ the cursor, and if keeping the play button pressed for 2secs, it starts with a random file |
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07:30:53 | Linus | dwihno: then it would be easier to just hit NEXT again |
07:31:54 | dwihno | true |
07:32:02 | dwihno | Well, just make it so. |
07:32:09 | MeRWiN | hey linus... planning on implementing the time elapsed/remaining patch that I gave you? Just curious... :-) |
07:32:17 | dwihno | People CAN press 'next' |
07:32:18 | MeRWiN | dwihno: number one, make it so |
07:33:11 | dwihno | Linus: Let's just try to keep it simple - if somebody wants a fully random song, they can press 'play', 'next' |
07:33:23 | MeRWiN | dwihno: i agree on that one |
07:33:25 | Linus | dwihno: at least for now |
07:35:42 | dwihno | Linus: how soon do you think there could be some recursive playlist generation? |
07:35:54 | Linus | as soon as we have write-to-disk |
07:36:24 | Linus | recursive playlists can be quite large |
07:37:43 | MeRWiN | Linus: ok. There is a quick fix also that should be put in (should take just a second to do). Change the "Time: XX:XX:XX - XX:XX:XX" to just "XX:XX:XX/XX:XX:XX" on the player. The whole thing doesn't fit on the player |
07:37:54 | MeRWiN | err.. to XX:XX/XX:XX on the player |
07:38:06 | Linus | isn't that fixed? |
07:38:07 | dwihno | Linus: true, true |
07:38:08 | Linus | oh |
07:38:54 | dwihno | Linus: being a curious person, what are you working on right now? :-) |
07:39:28 | Linus | the dir playing |
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07:40:23 | Bagder | morning |
07:40:33 | Linus | MeRWiN: done |
07:40:37 | MeRWiN | morning badger |
07:40:39 | Linus | morn |
07:40:39 | MeRWiN | bagder |
07:40:54 | MeRWiN | Linus: thanks :) |
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07:41:12 | Linus | mastodontfilms-mats! |
07:41:26 | matsl | Hi Linus! |
07:41:53 | matsl | Linus: Just saw that the global playlist was removed. Why? |
07:42:39 | Linus | ? |
07:43:03 | matsl | Linus: The extern playlist was commented out in playlist.h |
07:43:11 | Linus | is it? |
07:43:28 | Linus | oh yes |
07:43:30 | matsl | Linus: Check your version! |
07:43:49 | Linus | i didn't think it was that interesting to export it |
07:43:50 | * | Bagder drowns in email |
07:43:59 | Linus | but i'll put it back again |
07:44:37 | matsl | I was just preparing a wps patch where index and amount is used. |
07:44:37 | Linus | why do you want it exported? |
07:44:44 | Linus | ah, nice |
07:44:52 | Linus | then export it |
07:45:21 | matsl | I think that current position in playlist and the total amount of songs in the playlist is interesting. |
07:45:26 | Linus | indeed |
07:45:31 | dwihno | agreed |
07:45:44 | * | Bagder thinks so too |
07:45:56 | matsl | OK. I can export it in the patch. |
07:46:01 | * | Bagder brought his charger to work today, time to charge ;-) |
07:46:16 | Linus | how important is it that the playback always starts with the marked file in random dir-play mode? |
07:46:32 | Bagder | me thinks not very important |
07:47:17 | Linus | the sad thing is that it makes it impossible to play the file you want when random=true |
07:47:18 | matsl | I'll send patch later. Must go to home now to Perty to prepare some OO-things for next meeting! CU! |
07:47:27 | Linus | cu |
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07:47:39 | Bagder | Linus: true, that makes it annoying |
07:47:42 | dwihno | I think it's very important :-) |
07:47:50 | Bagder | like if you wanna play that single file only |
07:47:58 | MeRWiN | Linus: I forsee a problem if you have it totally random... if you're playing a random file and you press OK to go to the file list to play a specific file it won't play it :) |
07:48:29 | Linus | one approach is to always put the marked file first in the list |
07:48:34 | PsycoXul | why would you have it on random if you wanna play specific files |
07:48:51 | MeRWiN | PsycoXul: well, I always leave mine on random, but sometimes I want to hear a specific song |
07:48:52 | Linus | PsycoXul: because i want then *next* file to be random |
07:49:02 | PsycoXul | heh |
07:52:45 | Linus | when we play a file in a directory, it will play the next one automatically |
07:52:54 | Linus | that is probably expected |
07:53:00 | PsycoXul | shuffle: off, selectable, full |
07:53:01 | PsycoXul | or something |
07:53:07 | Linus | but what should happen when it reaches the end of the list? |
07:53:24 | Linus | always wrap? |
07:53:31 | Linus | or depend on the "repeat" setting? |
07:53:44 | PsycoXul | i would think that anything repeating would do so by a repeat setting |
07:54:37 | Linus | ok, so if repeat=off and random=on and you play a file in a directory? |
07:54:55 | Linus | shuffle the remaining files and play them? |
07:55:02 | Linus | or play all? |
07:55:10 | PsycoXul | heh |
07:56:10 | PsycoXul | sounds like a problem for the building of playlists |
07:56:28 | Linus | not at all |
07:56:45 | Linus | i just want to do what feels right |
07:56:56 | Hes | morning |
07:57:01 | Linus | morn |
07:57:10 | Bagder | morning hes |
07:57:28 | PsycoXul | well we're talking an auto-built playlist, essentialy, thats being shuffled right? |
07:57:34 | Linus | yes |
07:58:13 | Bagder | Linus: Uwe Freese had an idea on the list for it, on the recorder |
07:58:20 | Bagder | use the RIGHT and PLAY differently |
07:58:29 | Linus | yes, i answered to that mail |
07:58:36 | PsycoXul | it seems to me which tracks get put into the shuffled playlist depends on how you build that playlist.. so it boils down to the keys for actualy making playlists... how to add 1 file, all the files in the dir after selection, all files in dir, or whatever... |
07:58:45 | Bagder | haven't gotten there yet :-) |
07:59:17 | Linus | PsycoXul: probably, but we don't have that many keys |
07:59:47 | PsycoXul | and then the shuffle optionaly keeping the first track intact or shuffling them all |
07:59:54 | Linus | still, i guess the expected behaviour when random=off and repeat=off is to play until the end of the dir |
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08:00:16 | Linus | then what is the expected behaviour when random=on? |
08:01:11 | PsycoXul | Linus: well we've got 4 buttons that each can be combined with one or both of 2 other buttons, and can also be held, and even variations therof.. it's more a question of importance for the functions available to assign to convenient keys/combo's/etc |
08:01:47 | Linus | actually, not all keys can be combined on the recorder... |
08:01:54 | Linus | but that's not the point |
08:02:19 | PsycoXul | well i was just talking about the player as far as buttons |
08:02:19 | PsycoXul | heh |
08:02:43 | Linus | it still comes down to what the expected (default) behaviour should be |
08:03:15 | Linus | when repeat=off and random=on |
08:06:16 | PsycoXul | well i suppose what songs go on the playlist should be consistent whether it's random or not, so if playing track 4 of 10 adds 4-10 and plays them normally, i'd expect shuffle to do the same but shuffling... but then if you do want the whole dir shuffled and just want to start at 4 i dunno heh |
08:06:46 | Linus | my thought exactly |
08:07:15 | PsycoXul | thats why i think there needs to be a distiction in how the playlist is built.. eg if you hold play on 4 it'll shuffle the whole dir, if you just press play on it it'll shuffle 4-10 |
08:07:35 | PsycoXul | or vice versa depending on how other behaviour is, or something along those lines |
08:07:35 | Hes | I vote for placing the file at cursor first in the playlist even with random=on |
08:07:54 | Linus | Hes: me too |
08:07:57 | dwihno | me too |
08:08:15 | Hes | and picking a random first file if a directory is under the cursor |
08:08:26 | Linus | but the question remains: what to do with files 1-3 in the case above? |
08:08:49 | Linus | Hes: there still is no PLAY key on the player |
08:09:01 | dwihno | give them to starving children? |
08:09:20 | Hes | Linus: on the recorder at least... the player could do a recursive play of a directory if 'right' is pressed for a couple seconds instead of just clicking to enter the directory |
08:09:51 | Linus | Hes: i was thinking about MENU+PLAY for "dir play" |
08:10:04 | PsycoXul | i dunno |
08:10:14 | Hes | Linus: that's probably as good or better |
08:10:26 | PsycoXul | menu+key's so far modify in-play paramaters sorta as it is |
08:10:34 | PsycoXul | volume and hold mode, right? |
08:10:37 | Linus | PsycoXul: true |
08:10:51 | PsycoXul | i would think either holding play or start in on the on+keys heh |
08:11:12 | Linus | i like on+key better |
08:11:28 | PsycoXul | the stock firmware on players uses holding play to add a whole dir to a playlist, though it's buggy and adds the rest of the drive with it :p |
08:11:48 | Linus | having things happen when the key is released makes the UI sluggush |
08:11:54 | Linus | sluggish |
08:11:57 | PsycoXul | but then it also uses holding play to add a single file if thats what its over |
08:11:59 | PsycoXul | and there's that too |
08:12:04 | PsycoXul | so yeah |
08:12:25 | Linus | i did that with the MENU key, but i hope it can stay with that |
08:13:06 | MeRWiN | Linus: there's also that mute patch that I made :) That's taking Menu+Play in the WPS (not implemented yet in CVS) |
08:13:09 | Linus | well, we would of course have to do it with the ON key as well... |
08:13:19 | Linus | MeRWiN: true |
08:13:24 | PsycoXul | oh that reminds me too |
08:14:04 | PsycoXul | i think it'd be cool if something like On+left/right [on player anyways] would select multiple files |
08:14:20 | PsycoXul | so if you wanted tracks 2-5 of 10, you put it on 2, hold on and over to 5 |
08:14:25 | Linus | PsycoXul: a kind of manual playlist building? |
08:14:56 | MeRWiN | PsycoXul: I think if you do that you'd also have to have something to select a bunch of individual files in a dir, like 2,5,9,13 |
08:15:08 | PsycoXul | heh |
08:15:17 | PsycoXul | MeRWiN: thats true |
08:15:23 | PsycoXul | and i dunno what you'd do for that |
08:15:34 | Linus | it just came to mind, if repeat=on, random=off and you play file 3 of 4 it will play until file 4, right? |
08:15:53 | PsycoXul | heh |
08:16:05 | Linus | and if repeat=on it will wrap, right? |
08:16:10 | Linus | but what next? |
08:16:16 | Linus | repat still means repeat |
08:16:41 | Linus | should it start over with the first selected file |
08:16:43 | PsycoXul | oh yeah |
08:16:46 | Linus | or stop? |
08:16:49 | PsycoXul | there's also key sequences |
08:16:55 | PsycoXul | those are fast and add a lot of combo's |
08:17:02 | Linus | PsycoXul: yeah |
08:17:13 | PsycoXul | and can have ui feedback to help |
08:17:42 | Linus | i think a dir play should always play the entire dir, starting with the selected file |
08:18:03 | Linus | wrap at the end of dir, but only repeat if repeat=on |
08:18:18 | Linus | how about that? |
08:18:37 | PsycoXul | yeah |
08:18:59 | MeRWiN | Linus: yeah |
08:19:21 | Linus | then so be it |
08:19:23 | MeRWiN | Linus: Queue up the first file in the dir but only actually play it if repeat=on |
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08:20:03 | Linus | the playlist is always built from the entire dir |
08:20:25 | Linus | it just starts playing at the correct place in the list |
08:20:43 | Linus | wne it comes back to the same position, it checks the repeat flag |
08:24:30 | MeRWiN | Linus: with normal CD players, if you have repeat off and you start playing in the middle of a CD, it will stop at the end of the CD |
08:24:39 | MeRWiN | I think we should go for that approach |
08:26:00 | dwihno | unless playlist wrapping is configured |
08:26:50 | MeRWiN | correct |
08:27:21 | Linus | and a CD player would shuffle the remaining files, right? |
08:27:47 | MeRWiN | Linus: if shuffle=on then even if you start playing in the middle, it would shuffle the entire cd |
08:30:51 | Linus | blah |
08:31:10 | Linus | how do *we* want it? |
08:31:20 | MeRWiN | I would have it like that |
08:31:43 | MeRWiN | I'm the kind of person who leaves shuffle on everywhere I go :) |
08:32:11 | Linus | i smell config settings... |
08:32:16 | PsycoXul | "we" want a firmware that consists mostly of config optios! |
08:32:27 | Bagder | hehe |
08:32:38 | MeRWiN | true, we want as many config options as possible without being too confusing |
08:32:55 | MeRWiN | If two people could want it different, we need a config option :) |
08:32:55 | MeRWiN | heh |
08:33:12 | Linus | maybe PsycoXul's idea is the best so far |
08:33:14 | MeRWiN | Linus: what was the recent CVS update regarding? |
08:33:16 | PsycoXul | what you should be worrying about is how to organize the configuration without overwhelming the users! |
08:33:23 | PsycoXul | heh |
08:33:47 | Linus | MeRWiN: internal changes only |
08:33:54 | MeRWiN | ahh |
08:33:54 | MeRWiN | ok |
08:34:11 | Linus | random: off, selectable, full |
08:34:18 | Linus | quite ok to me |
08:34:38 | MeRWiN | Linus: what do you mean by selectable and full? |
08:34:48 | MeRWiN | i understand full, randomizes every file |
08:34:54 | MeRWiN | but selectable |
08:34:54 | Linus | selectable plays the selected file and then shuffles the rest |
08:35:05 | PsycoXul | yeah i wouldn't use those titles, though i don't have any better suggestions :p |
08:35:13 | Linus | maybe "selectable" isn't the best word |
08:35:28 | Linus | "selected first" |
08:35:41 | MeRWiN | ahh... Random: Off, Selected File First, Full |
08:36:05 | Linus | "Selected File First" is a quite long string for a Player... |
08:36:19 | MeRWiN | So is Selected First |
08:36:21 | MeRWiN | 11 characters |
08:36:24 | MeRWiN | max |
08:36:30 | Linus | yeah |
08:36:51 | Linus | "Sel. first" |
08:36:51 | MeRWiN | SelFile 1st |
08:36:56 | PsycoXul | heh |
08:37:05 | Bagder | or fix it to scroll |
08:37:12 | PsycoXul | "Select 1st"? |
08:37:17 | Linus | the title also scrolls sometimes |
08:37:18 | PsycoXul | *shrug* |
08:37:28 | MeRWiN | we'd have to implement dual scrolling\ |
08:37:39 | Bagder | we need multiline scrolling |
08:37:40 | Linus | in different directions! :-) |
08:37:44 | MeRWiN | haha |
08:37:44 | Bagder | hehehe |
08:37:52 | PsycoXul | yeah |
08:37:53 | MeRWiN | that would be great |
08:37:55 | PsycoXul | different scroll modes'd be nice too |
08:38:07 | MeRWiN | backwards might be a bit confusing |
08:38:09 | dwihno | true |
08:38:09 | PsycoXul | 'bounce' 'loop' 'jump to start' etc |
08:38:12 | PsycoXul | :p |
08:38:17 | Bagder | 'sinus' :-) |
08:38:27 | dwihno | Bagder: you read my mind :) |
08:38:30 | PsycoXul | heh |
08:38:37 | Linus | bounce, loop, random :-) |
08:38:47 | PsycoXul | hah! |
08:38:47 | Linus | and shuffle |
08:38:51 | PsycoXul | random scrolling i like |
08:39:37 | Bagder | actually, doing the bounce with a sinus for speed might be good |
08:40:17 | Bagder | but I won't try that out today ;-) |
08:40:34 | PsycoXul | oh btw i think the looping scroll should stay twice as long at the beginning of the string |
08:40:41 | * | Bagder received >200 emails since he logged off yday |
08:40:54 | PsycoXul | so it sorta pauses there before re-scrolling |
08:41:24 | PsycoXul | i noticed while browsing when you go to a >11-char entry the first char you see is the 2nd because the 1st ones immediately scrolled past |
08:42:01 | MeRWiN | PsycoXul: but it's being displayed without scroll until you select it... so the first char is there |
08:42:08 | PsycoXul | and imo it makes a scrolling title a little more readable and distinguishes the beginning better |
08:42:14 | PsycoXul | MeRWiN: not on the player |
08:42:19 | MeRWiN | PsycoXul: you sure? |
08:42:22 | PsycoXul | you're browsing down and the cursor's already at the bottom of the screen |
08:42:31 | PsycoXul | you press down one and the next dir down becomes the bottom of the screen |
08:42:41 | PsycoXul | and you never saw it's first char if it scrolls |
08:43:07 | MeRWiN | PsycoXul: i'm using the latest cvs on the player and it waits about .25 seconds after you highlight it before scrolling at all |
08:43:16 | MeRWiN | PsycoXul: it doesn't start with the 2nd char on mine |
08:43:18 | PsycoXul | yeah? |
08:43:28 | PsycoXul | i haven't updated in some days, i dunno maybe its changed |
08:43:56 | MeRWiN | PsycoXul: Seems to work the way you want it to on mine... which is a good thing |
08:44:35 | PsycoXul | yeah, huh |
08:44:44 | PsycoXul | it'll be a better thing if it works the way i want it to on mine :p |
08:44:51 | MeRWiN | heh... |
08:45:27 | MeRWiN | PsycoXul: sending you the latest :) |
08:45:44 | PsycoXul | oh i'll build my own tonight probably |
08:45:47 | PsycoXul | i've just been lazy |
08:45:59 | PsycoXul | i think there was a patch to the list some days ago i wanna try too |
08:46:04 | MeRWiN | yeah |
08:46:32 | MeRWiN | I've gotta figure out something to do with www.rockthebox.com ... I registered it and now i'm wondering what to do. |
08:46:39 | PsycoXul | heh |
08:46:39 | MeRWiN | A rockbox fanpage :) |
08:47:03 | Bagder | a collection of weirdo patches! ;-) |
08:47:22 | MeRWiN | I could have a bleeding edge version that is compiled every 30 minutes |
08:47:22 | MeRWiN | heh |
08:47:28 | PsycoXul | hehe |
08:48:21 | PsycoXul | or how about 5 minutes after every cvs commit? heh |
08:48:32 | MeRWiN | that would be nice too |
08:48:34 | MeRWiN | :) |
08:48:41 | Bagder | right, it could rebuild on every new commit mail ;-) |
08:49:31 | MeRWiN | Personally, I think that should be on the webpage also :) |
08:49:42 | MeRWiN | a current cvs build for those that don't want to wait for the daily |
08:49:49 | Bagder | that reminds me, the cvs log link of the compile status table is broken |
08:50:15 | MeRWiN | whoops |
08:51:17 | MeRWiN | I just bought a D-Link dsl/cable router for $25 USD (compared to my $100 for the netgear router), and the D-Link routes quicker (almost double the speed of transfers over the lan) and has more and better config options |
08:51:22 | MeRWiN | gotta love it |
08:52:10 | * | Bagder fixed link |
08:52:30 | * | Bagder spotted the favicon just now |
08:52:38 | Bagder | coolerss |
08:53:31 | dwihno | MeRWiN: only $25?! |
08:55:36 | Bagder | I added some screen dumps to the manual yday |
08:55:42 | dwihno | yay :D |
08:55:44 | MeRWiN | dwihno: yup |
08:56:03 | MeRWiN | dwihno: I got an open box item though... normal $35 ... got it at Best Buy |
08:57:03 | dwihno | MeRWiN: $35 is still a good price! what model? |
08:57:25 | MeRWiN | dwihno: DI-604 |
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08:57:40 | MeRWiN | dwihno: can be used with 4 computers |
08:58:20 | dwihno | cool :) |
08:58:47 | dwihno | Maybe I'll get one - having a computer up 24/7 is not really that smart. |
08:59:08 | MeRWiN | dwihno: I do it |
08:59:26 | dwihno | Bagder: how much does it cost (electricity-wise) to keep a box up 24/7? |
08:59:32 | dwihno | Why? :) |
08:59:37 | dwihno | I mean, you work 8 hours |
08:59:40 | dwihno | You sleep 8 hours |
08:59:49 | Bagder | electricity? I don't know |
08:59:49 | dwihno | so that's 16 hours worth of nothing |
09:00 |
09:00:32 | dwihno | You DO pay your bills, don't you? :) |
09:01:12 | MeRWiN | The bills actually don't increase all that much.. besides, I sleep about 6 hours usually and I use my home computer while I'm at work as a SOCKS5 server |
09:01:23 | MeRWiN | Woo, i registered rockbox.dhs.org too (that one's free) |
09:02:00 | PsycoXul | hmm |
09:02:00 | PsycoXul | heh |
09:02:06 | PsycoXul | we've got 3 box's up 24/7 |
09:02:10 | PsycoXul | in one room |
09:02:12 | PsycoXul | thats always warm :p |
09:02:21 | MeRWiN | I've usually got my laptop and my desktop up all night |
09:02:33 | MeRWiN | anyways, time for bed for me... talk to you all later |
09:02:38 | PsycoXul | bye |
09:02:49 | MeRWiN | g'nite |
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09:38:35 | | Nick mbr|gone is now known as mbr (~tiw4mabr@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de) |
09:38:42 | Bagder | morning mbr |
09:38:49 | mbr | morning |
09:40:32 | webmind | mogguh |
09:40:40 | Linus | mo' |
09:51:36 | Bagder | hm, is that really smart? |
09:51:42 | Bagder | using the w_tmo() in tetris |
09:51:43 | Linus | what? |
09:51:51 | Bagder | it'll make things run faster if you press more keys |
09:52:00 | adi|home | what is w_tmo? |
09:52:04 | Linus | with timeout |
09:52:09 | Bagder | button_get_w_tmo() |
09:52:09 | adi|home | nods |
09:52:30 | Linus | maybe it wasn't such a good ide after all? :-) |
09:52:49 | Linus | it should compensate |
09:52:59 | Bagder | yes |
09:53:19 | Linus | a kind of next_tick calculation |
09:53:20 | Bagder | the previous sleep() solution isn't exactly ultimate either |
09:53:28 | Linus | absolutely not |
09:54:09 | Linus | Bagder: wanna fix it? |
09:54:16 | Bagder | no time right now |
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10:28:16 | mbr | What do you guys think about the status bar? is it overloaded? |
10:29:26 | * | Bagder hasn't had time to try it out yet |
10:29:31 | Linus | i haven't tried the latest one |
10:29:44 | notch | just written a serial remote routine... but cant seem to get the interupts to fire off... |
10:29:49 | notch | any ideas? |
10:29:53 | Linus | notch: need help? |
10:30:54 | mbr | I would really like to get the status bar in cvs. It is no fun to merge cvs updates that often :) |
10:31:00 | Linus | notch: have you set the interrupt level? |
10:31:10 | Linus | mbr: me too |
10:31:23 | Bagder | mbr: I think adding what you have now sounds reasonable, as we can tweak it from here |
10:31:31 | Linus | i agree |
10:31:45 | mbr | Linus: had a look at the picture referenced in my latest mail? |
10:32:03 | Linus | i'm afraid that my latest CVS checkin might give you some sync problems |
10:32:24 | notch | Ive set: IPRE (int level) and all of the serial regs: SCR1 SMR1 BRR1 |
10:32:43 | mbr | so, shall i check in? |
10:32:57 | Bagder | go go go :-) |
10:32:58 | PsycoXul | ugh!@# |
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10:33:27 | mbr | OK, may take a while ... |
10:33:42 | Linus | what do those arrow thingies mean? |
10:33:54 | Linus | i understand the two first |
10:34:12 | mbr | One other thing, the timeout button request breaks x11 simulator |
10:34:21 | Linus | as always.... |
10:34:30 | Bagder | ugh |
10:35:09 | mbr | Linus: The third shows Shuffle (S) and the fourth shows shuffle repeat |
10:35:31 | Bagder | mbr: what about using the mute icon *instead* of the volume bar when that mode is enabled? |
10:36:02 | Linus | Bagder: excellent idea |
10:36:33 | Linus | i would like the external charger connector to be rotated 90 degrees clockwise |
10:36:55 | Bagder | I think I'd prefer that too |
10:37:02 | Bagder | would make it look less like a heart |
10:37:47 | mbr | OK, I change the two things, then check it in |
10:37:57 | dwihno | Ah |
10:38:01 | dwihno | A nice walk outdoors :) |
10:38:10 | dwihno | You should try it sometimes, it's really kickass |
10:39:00 | * | Bagder works on a sim fix for the w_tmo |
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10:40:21 | Linus | mbr: separate symbols for shuffle and repeat? |
10:41:22 | dwihno | w_tmo? |
10:41:29 | Linus | with timeout |
10:41:33 | dwihno | ah |
10:41:40 | dwihno | cool abbreviation :) |
10:41:52 | Linus | yeah, really cool! |
10:42:02 | Bagder | OSE style ;-) |
10:42:17 | Linus | Bagder: you got me |
10:42:24 | Bagder | hehe |
10:42:47 | * | Linus is an OSE fan |
10:42:47 | mbr | Linus: But the S for shuffle is ok? Or using better a dice or so? |
10:43:03 | Linus | don't know |
10:43:13 | Linus | any pictogram gurus out there? |
10:44:18 | Linus | if you can manage to squeeze a dice in those few pixels, go ahead! :-) |
10:44:25 | notch | Linus: How should I decalre an interupt: #pragma interrupt Void RXI1 (void) ? |
10:45:01 | notch | (sorry to but in!) |
10:45:09 | dwihno | o o |
10:45:09 | dwihno | /_\ _ _ /_\ |
10:45:09 | dwihno | |_|_|_|_| |_|_| |
10:45:09 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dwihno |
10:45:09 | dwihno | | | _ | | |
10:45:09 | dwihno | |_|___| |___|_| |
10:45:17 | dwihno | ^ pictogram |
10:45:21 | dwihno | = castle :-) |
10:45:47 | Linus | yes, #pragma interrupt void RXI1(void) |
10:46:16 | Bagder | now, some win32 dude needs to fix the win32 sim version |
10:47:14 | notch | Linus: Are there any other regs that control inteupts apart from IPRE and an enable bit in one of the serial regs? |
10:48:12 | Linus | yes, the interrupt level registers |
10:48:26 | Linus | that is why i asked if you have set the interrupt level |
10:48:55 | notch | isnt that IPRE? |
10:49:00 | Linus | sorry, i am confised |
10:49:42 | Linus | notch: if you get a receive error, the receiver stops |
10:50:26 | Linus | send me the source, and i can look at it |
10:50:30 | notch | Ive got a interupt for that (REI1) that clears the approp. flags.. |
10:50:41 | notch | What's your email? |
10:50:45 | Linus | notch: good |
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10:50:49 | Linus | linus at haxx.se |
10:50:54 | Linus | yo Zagor! |
10:50:56 | Zagor | ahhh, adsl at last! |
10:50:58 | Bagder | Zagor on adsl! |
10:51:03 | Linus | already!!!!!???? |
10:51:14 | Zagor | yeah, i'm quite surprised |
10:51:21 | dwihno | GO ZAGOOOR! :D |
10:52:43 | Zagor | my gf is happy too. she's running around with her laptop and wireless ethernet card, downloading c64 games for vice :-) |
10:53:09 | Zagor | life is good! |
10:53:22 | Bagder | then commit things dammit ;-) |
10:53:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
10:53:34 | * | Bagder grins devilishly |
10:53:41 | Zagor | hehe |
10:53:52 | Bagder | I like the favicon |
10:55:09 | Zagor | yeah, it turned out pretty good I think |
10:55:25 | dwihno | Haha |
10:55:32 | dwihno | You crazy ppl! :) |
10:55:38 | dwihno | I want wireless ethernet card too! |
10:55:41 | dwihno | Are they expensive? |
10:55:49 | Zagor | no, less than 1000 sek |
10:55:52 | dwihno | :O |
10:55:54 | dwihno | Cardbus? |
10:55:57 | Zagor | yup |
10:56:02 | dwihno | cool :-) |
10:56:07 | dwihno | How about speed? |
10:56:27 | dwihno | I mean, I want to be able to watch the movies on our server when I'm taking a dump :) |
10:56:30 | Zagor | 11Mbit in my card. there exists up to 50 Mbit, I think |
10:56:33 | dwihno | Just kidding ;) |
10:56:48 | dwihno | 50 mbit? cool |
10:56:53 | dwihno | I want that :) |
10:56:54 | Bagder | 802.11a |
10:56:57 | dwihno | Sponsor me :-) |
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10:57:57 | dwihno | Zagor: what manufacturer? |
10:58:02 | Zagor | netgear |
10:58:06 | dwihno | ewww |
10:58:19 | dwihno | Misa not like netgear |
10:58:25 | dwihno | Misa like etherexpress |
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10:58:35 | Zagor | you mean intel? |
10:58:41 | dwihno | yup |
10:58:45 | dwihno | they own bigtime! |
10:59:06 | Zagor | except they don't make 802.11 cards, I think... :-) |
11:00 |
11:00:13 | Zagor | sorry, they do. well get that then. INTEL PRO/WIRELESS 2011B LAN PC-CARD 895.00 SEK (exkl) |
11:00:28 | dwihno | where? |
11:00:29 | dwihno | dustin? |
11:01:34 | Zagor | yup |
11:02:10 | | Nick notch is now known as notch|bog (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) |
11:03:44 | dwihno | "Supports 802.1x authentication protocol and utilizes 64- and 128-bit WEP encryption to help guard the network from intruders and protect data in transit. |
11:03:44 | dwihno | " |
11:03:54 | dwihno | So the data is encrypted while "in the air"? :-) |
11:04:02 | Bagder | make it "encrypted" |
11:04:07 | Bagder | :-) |
11:04:10 | Zagor | yeah, but wep isn't the best... |
11:04:24 | dwihno | it isn't |
11:04:25 | dwihno | ? |
11:04:37 | Bagder | WEP is crappy encryption |
11:04:58 | dwihno | Well, I've heard that the new standard encryption will utilize the 'scramble' ROR encryption as seen in rockbox ,) |
11:05:06 | Bagder | but still, that's what they all offer |
11:05:17 | dwihno | hmm |
11:05:22 | dwihno | is it reliable? |
11:05:44 | Bagder | is what reliable? |
11:06:12 | dwihno | the encryption |
11:06:38 | dwihno | and will I need extra hardware except the wireless card? |
11:06:47 | Bagder | the encryption works transparantly when it works |
11:07:02 | Zagor | well you need another end, of course, to connect you to the net |
11:07:09 | dwihno | yeah |
11:07:15 | dwihno | and those boxes cost a fortune? |
11:10:00 | Zagor | nah, not too bad. go google :) |
11:11:44 | dwihno | INTEL PRO/WIRELESS 5000 LAN CARDBUS ADAPTER |
11:11:47 | dwihno | yum yum |
11:12:38 | Bagder | hm, the win32 simulator's button code is silly |
11:12:51 | Bagder | me fix |
11:14:52 | Linus | notch|bog: are you there |
11:18:27 | Bagder | there it is |
11:18:33 | Bagder | the mod/ajz patch |
11:18:36 | PsycoXul | Gah not again... |
11:20:14 | * | Bagder praises Randy Wood |
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11:21:36 | Bagder | ugh |
11:21:39 | Bagder | red |
11:21:45 | | Nick notch|bog is now known as notch (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) |
11:21:52 | notch | Linus: Yep! |
11:22:12 | Linus | in remote_seriel_init(): |
11:22:24 | Linus | do like this: |
11:22:29 | Linus | dummy = SSR; |
11:22:31 | Linus | SSR = 0; |
11:22:47 | Linus | set the SCR, then the baud rate |
11:23:09 | Linus | sorry, clear SSR, then set the baudrate |
11:23:15 | Linus | SCR |
11:23:30 | notch | ahh so you cant set bits in regs, you have to do a 'store'... |
11:23:32 | Linus | then do a sleep(HZ/10) |
11:23:49 | Linus | then enable the receiver in SCR |
11:24:30 | Linus | and please don't set the interrupt prio to 15, use 8 or something instead |
11:24:45 | Linus | The MOD-loading patch is a bit overworked |
11:24:59 | Bagder | how overworked? |
11:25:00 | Linus | please don't commit it yet, guys |
11:25:09 | Linus | the assembly code is unnecessary |
11:25:10 | notch | Thanks! |
11:25:18 | Linus | notch: i haven't tried it yet |
11:25:20 | Bagder | aha |
11:25:31 | Zagor | Linus: reply to his mail |
11:25:51 | Linus | or we can use his patch with some changes |
11:26:15 | Bagder | fair enough |
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11:26:30 | Zagor | the load routing can just be placed in IRAM, then relocating isn't necessary. is that what you mean, linus? |
11:26:51 | Linus | yes, but maybe not iram |
11:27:18 | Zagor | top of ram, then |
11:27:26 | Linus | yeah |
11:27:42 | Linus | i'll fix that |
11:27:49 | Zagor | ok |
11:27:54 | Bagder | ok, so his code loads the mod and then copies it it? |
11:27:57 | Linus | do we want the .rbx enhancement? |
11:28:13 | Linus | i don't think so |
11:28:20 | Zagor | Bagder: no, but he first relocates the load code to top of ram instead of putting it there from the beginning |
11:28:29 | Bagder | aha |
11:28:31 | Zagor | nah, i don't think there's much point to it either |
11:29:11 | Linus | i don't care about loading speed when switching mods |
11:29:13 | Bagder | well, .rbx or whatever we decide to call it is very easily added if we come up with a good reason to use it one day |
11:29:52 | Zagor | yup. let's just use the bare necessities |
11:30:20 | notch | Linus: Like this: but unsure about the dummy! |
11:30:21 | notch | char dummy; |
11:30:21 | notch | dummy = SSR1; |
11:30:21 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK notch |
11:30:21 | notch | SSR1=0; |
11:30:21 | notch | SCR=0; |
11:30:21 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
11:30:21 | notch | BRR1 = (FREQ/(32*9600))-1; |
11:30:22 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
11:30:22 | notch | sleep(FREQ/10); |
11:30:24 | notch | SCR1 = 0x50; |
11:30:26 | notch | SMR1 = 0x00; |
11:30:29 | notch | /* This enables the serial Rx interrupt*/ |
11:30:31 | notch | IPRE |= 0x0800; /* Set to medium priority */ |
11:31:10 | Linus | yeah, but move the SMR to after the SSR write |
11:32:32 | notch | <confused> Isnt SMR already after the SSR? |
11:33:14 | Linus | no, you had it after the SCR1 write |
11:33:48 | notch | okay got you now! |
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11:34:12 | Linus | i should have written "before the BRR write" or something |
11:34:30 | notch | I'm easily confused :-) |
11:34:40 | Linus | the sleep before enabling RX is essential |
11:35:08 | notch | why? |
11:37:08 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/designs.html |
11:37:19 | Bagder | adiamas' slightly rule-bending submission added |
11:38:02 | Linus | notch: the UART wants at least X serial clocks initialization period |
11:38:49 | notch | ahh! notch needs to read some application notes! |
11:39:11 | Linus | you can look at the serial init code in the GDB stub |
11:39:24 | notch | Bagder: like 3 the best |
11:39:34 | Linus | that isn't by the book either, but it works |
11:39:42 | notch | Linus: I'll check that out... |
11:40:23 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
11:41:06 | Bagder | I'm hoping that people will get inspired by the existing designs and post their own attempts |
11:41:23 | notch | does the GDB use serial channel 1 as well?? |
11:43:17 | notch | ie. am I using the wrong channel! |
11:43:17 | Bagder | all builds are now green |
11:43:34 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
11:43:34 | * | Bagder pretends to be a win32 hacker ;-) |
11:47:13 | Linus | notch: serial channel 1 is the way to go |
11:47:15 | | Nick notch is now known as notch|lunch (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) |
11:47:15 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK notch|lunch |
11:48:55 | notch|lunch | okay just checkin! |
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12:01:58 | zebda3 | hi all |
12:02:54 | zebda3 | I just see opn the ML taht the RoLo is now available !! great thing , but I do not know how to apply the patch, could soumeone help me or send me a compiled version with the RoLo builtin |
12:03:15 | zebda3 | Ithink it is a must-have that must be commit to the cvs . |
12:03:37 | Bagder | it is gonna go in, it just needs some minor adjustments |
12:03:59 | zebda3 | Bagder: did u test it? |
12:04:05 | Bagder | not yet |
12:04:40 | zebda3 | But as sai the guy who code it, it would increase the RockBox user ! |
12:05:21 | Bagder | yes |
12:06:21 | zebda3 | I've to go now bye, and vI think it is "a little step but a big step for RockBox" |
12:06:23 | zebda3 | bye |
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12:31:03 | mbr | Bagder, Linus: I did the changes ... please see http://www.stz-softwaretechnik.de/~mb/status.png |
12:32:04 | Linus | looks ok |
12:32:16 | mbr | The dice also ok? |
12:32:58 | mbr | Then i'll commit! |
12:35:34 | Hes | I'll commit the averaged battery level code today |
12:35:37 | Hes | testing it now... |
12:35:57 | Hes | made it compensate a little (roughly) for the voltage increase caused by the charger |
12:37:20 | Zagor | mbr: what's the bottom play status symbol? |
12:37:29 | Hes | I want rewind/fast forward. I'm 20 minutes into last night's Surgery (Dr. Bob Jones) show and I want to upgrade the code... |
12:37:40 | Linus | Zagor: paused recording |
12:37:49 | Zagor | ok |
12:38:13 | mbr | Zargor: Don't know if we need it, but my vcr has it :) |
12:38:21 | Zagor | hehe |
12:38:29 | Hes | What would it require? Jumping to a frame boundary? |
12:39:20 | Linus | Hes: i don't think you need to hit the boundaries |
12:39:42 | Hes | mbr: could the statusbar ena/disa go to byte 0xe of the config block instead of a new byet? |
12:40:03 | Hes | (global_settings.statusbar & 1) << 4 |
12:40:41 | Hes | it only needs a bit anyway, for now |
12:40:54 | mbr | Sure, changing it .. |
12:41:08 | Hes | thanks |
12:47:35 | PsycoXul | wooo |
12:47:53 | PsycoXul | ROLO! |
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12:58:04 | stowaway | Allo |
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12:58:13 | Linus | hi |
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12:58:18 | * | Bagder updates to mbr's fixes |
12:58:25 | * | stowaway gives Rockboxers the thumbs-up |
12:58:38 | * | Linus thanks stowaway |
12:59:26 | stowaway | You can see my rockbox-running Archos in a picture of a very early rev. of my case mod: http://pyromaniac.net/misc/geekden2.jpg |
12:59:27 | stowaway | ;) |
12:59:50 | stowaway | I wrote the list some time ago with many suggestions ... This is my first time in the IRC room though. |
13:00 |
13:00:10 | stowaway | I can't code my way out of a wet paper bag, but is there any other way I can support the project? |
13:00:32 | Bagder | we like bug reports, feature requests, docs and candy ;-) |
13:00:44 | Hes | And T-shirt designs |
13:00:47 | stowaway | Docs and candy |
13:00:47 | stowaway | Hehe |
13:00:55 | stowaway | oooh... T-shirt designs. I think I can help with that. |
13:01:13 | Hes | Check the URL on the topic |
13:01:21 | stowaway | And I know a place that makes razor-cut stickers ... I could design one |
13:01:33 | stowaway | For distribution to Rockbox users to plaster on their jukeboxes |
13:02:55 | stowaway | WHOA... mail server toook a dump. BRB |
13:03:41 | Bagder | dammit my build status script bugs |
13:03:52 | Bagder | win32 sim build is red |
13:03:54 | Bagder | but no link |
13:05:05 | Bagder | ah, link errors don't show |
13:05:42 | mbr | Link errors, because i added apps/recorder/widgets.[ch]? |
13:06:25 | Bagder | no, multiple definition of `lcd_framebuffer' |
13:06:31 | Bagder | but I don't really understand why |
13:06:33 | Bagder | yet |
13:07:50 | Bagder | oh, now I do |
13:10:41 | notch|lunch | I have got 'implicit decclaration of function 'lcd_slidebar' and a few others... |
13:11:00 | stowaway | It should be legal to shoot spammers in the head. |
13:11:16 | notch|lunch | murder the spammer! |
13:11:49 | stowaway | Hahah. Well, I did a route add their-ip-address 127.0.0.1 from the mail server. They're a customer of ours, but they dont' have spam rights |
13:11:55 | mbr | notch: did you really have the latest cvs? lcd_slidebar has moved |
13:12:21 | stowaway | Back to rockbox: What are the odds of having a display-mode switch for us car-driving rockboxers? |
13:13:03 | notch|lunch | Mbr: just updated my firmware directory.... with cvs update -dP |
13:13:05 | stowaway | You know ... Have a "normal font" browse mode and a "don't crash into other drivers while reading songs" mode ;) |
13:13:26 | Bagder | notch|lunch: update the apps too |
13:13:33 | notch|lunch | ahhh! |
13:13:48 | mbr | notch: and the uisimulator |
13:13:58 | Bagder | stowaway: you mean simply using a larger font on demand? |
13:14:13 | notch|lunch | so i need to run update and login in each directory or is there an easier way? |
13:14:14 | stowaway | Ayup. |
13:14:35 | stowaway | Turn off volume bars, bigger, fast-scrolling font at the touch of a button ;) |
13:14:36 | Zagor | stowaway: should be pretty simple, once we sort out the current font mess |
13:14:53 | Bagder | notch|lunch: the easiest way is if you checkout "." from the start, which of course give you *all* modules, but then you can update in the root dir |
13:15:00 | stowaway | I like the idea of using the "on" button for mode switches on the JBR. It doesn't do anything once the Jukebox is actually ON ;) |
13:16:01 | dwihno | well, it places the unit in "hold" mode :-) |
13:16:17 | stowaway | Oh ... well .. umm ... |
13:16:24 | stowaway | hehehe |
13:16:25 | stowaway | ;) |
13:17:21 | notch|lunch | Bagder: So I would use 'cvs -z3: -d:pserver<blah blah>/rockbox co . ' ? |
13:17:29 | stowaway | OK I am going to take off for now ... If you need anything tested on a JBR, just say "Dan, load this crap up!" at dan@pyromaniac.net |
13:17:30 | stowaway | Later ;) |
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13:17:50 | Bagder | notch|lunch: first use 'cvs -d [blabla] login' |
13:17:55 | notch|lunch | yep |
13:17:59 | Bagder | notch|lunch: then the above, yes |
13:18:09 | Bagder | but do that in a newly created dir |
13:18:10 | notch|lunch | cheers |
13:18:30 | * | Bagder fixed the compile status table now |
13:18:44 | Bagder | link errors now appear as "BEEP" ;-) |
13:19:05 | notch|lunch | hehe |
13:20:02 | Bagder | Zagor: how about making the 'gccwarn' text yellow and keep the 'gccerror' red? |
13:20:12 | Bagder | would match the table colors |
13:20:25 | Bagder | hm, perhaps yellow isn't that readable on blue |
13:22:33 | Zagor | we can try |
13:22:44 | Zagor | maybe making it darker, almost orange |
13:23:09 | Bagder | could work, yes |
13:23:21 | Zagor | mbr: it seems the status bad shows "playing" from boot. at least in simulator. |
13:23:51 | mbr | Zagor: Only in simulator, don't know why .... |
13:23:56 | Zagor | ok |
13:24:10 | Bagder | could be that the mpeg stuff isn't simulated properly |
13:24:19 | Zagor | yup |
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13:32:05 | edx | hi |
13:32:21 | Bagder | hey edx |
13:32:34 | Bagder | I'd appreciate if you verified if the win32 sim still works |
13:32:50 | Hes | I might have just broken the win32 sim |
13:33:07 | Bagder | hehe |
13:33:08 | Hes | merged the battery_level() changes but didn't fix the win32 sim yet |
13:33:12 | Bagder | mucho commits today |
13:33:16 | Hes | fixed x11 though |
13:33:25 | Hes | mucho commits yesterday as well |
13:33:32 | Bagder | yes |
13:34:18 | Linus | i'm working on the rolo |
13:34:45 | * | Bagder pads Linus on his shoulder to show some moral support |
13:35:41 | Linus | *crash* |
13:36:34 | Bagder | I guess my moral support didn't quite work ;-) |
13:36:43 | * | dwihno sends the medics to Linus |
13:37:34 | edx | Bagder: I'll check w32sim in a few mins... |
13:41:39 | Linus | Zagor: how many bits are unused in the FAT attribute field? |
13:41:52 | Zagor | Bagder: made gccwarn a bit orange:y now. check it out |
13:42:38 | Bagder | they stand out from the black a little less good now, but they're separable from the errors... |
13:42:48 | Zagor | Linus: only two: 0x40 and 0x80 |
13:42:51 | Bagder | let's try it for a while |
13:43:30 | Bagder | Zagor: hey, an idea, what about changing the background color of those classes instead? |
13:43:39 | Zagor | testing |
13:45:59 | Zagor | whoa. well they do stand out a lot more :-) |
13:46:13 | Bagder | they certainly do |
13:46:30 | Bagder | I think I like it |
13:46:35 | Linus | me too |
13:46:35 | Zagor | yeah, me too |
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13:46:48 | Zagor | unmissable |
13:47:20 | Bagder | indeed |
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13:47:44 | Bagder | I guess Hes should try it :-] |
13:47:44 | Hes | I think i fixed win32's battery_level stuff now |
13:47:55 | Hes | could you run a new build now 8-) |
13:48:30 | Linus|lunch | mbr: i think the status bar should be ON by default in the settings |
13:48:45 | * | Zagor votes to change "BEEP" to "FAIL" |
13:48:54 | Bagder | okey |
13:49:12 | Bagder | Hes: the win32 sim builds now |
13:49:26 | mbr | Linus: is it not? in settings_reset i set it to true ... |
13:49:34 | Hes | Linus|lunch: it is on by default (with an empty config memory block), but the bit in question is set to 0 if you've used rockbox with config saving before |
13:49:46 | Hes | now that it was moved to the same byte with other stuff |
13:49:58 | Bagder | Zagor: it'll change on next run |
13:50:11 | Zagor | ok |
13:59:43 | Bagder | I mailed the author of lots of (GPL) classical games for linux about his thoughts on porting them to rockbox |
13:59:54 | Bagder | "My initial comment is: you're crazy! :-D" |
14:00 |
14:00:01 | Bagder | "I have absolutely no idea how to do this." |
14:00:07 | Bagder | :-P |
14:00:26 | Bagder | I guess I'll need to poke around myself then |
14:00:30 | Zagor | hehe |
14:00:47 | Bagder | http://lgames.sourceforge.net/ |
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14:01:31 | Zagor | breakout would rock supreme |
14:01:46 | Bagder | yeah, that was the main game I thought about |
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14:07:26 | Bagder | Zagor: I'd like to propose a new page on the site |
14:07:41 | Bagder | with the two tables from the front page and the compile status table, all in one page |
14:07:43 | Zagor | fixing laundry, brb |
14:08:14 | Bagder | would be a better "one glance to see it all" |
14:13:12 | Linus|lunch | mbr: about the charging display info, why not blink the charger symbol when charging? |
14:13:31 | Bagder | yes, that's a good idea |
14:13:54 | mbr | I'll look into that... |
14:13:56 | Linus|lunch | i think the charger sumbol needs to be bigger somehow |
14:14:46 | Linus|lunch | now we need a clock setting function... |
14:16:20 | notch|lunch | Man those new icons ROCK! |
14:18:59 | Bagder | I can always use a screen dump of the WPS if someone is able to produce one |
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14:22:27 | Bagder | *freeze* |
14:22:49 | Bagder | not too good |
14:22:57 | * | Linus has his hands in the air |
14:23:16 | Bagder | I'll try the same song once again |
14:24:15 | * | Bagder crosses his fingers |
14:24:22 | * | Bagder crosses his toes too |
14:24:43 | Hes | mbr: in power.h, bool charger_enabled tells if the charger is charging |
14:24:54 | Hes | charger_inserted() tells if the charger is inserted |
14:25:42 | Hes | blinking plug would be good for charging |
14:26:10 | mbr | Hes: currently working on it |
14:27:45 | Bagder | damnit, it didn't freeze this time |
14:27:59 | Zagor | it's time for a feature freeze |
14:28:10 | Bagder | this was the second total freeze I've had with rockbox the last few days |
14:28:24 | Zagor | we've been going way too long since last release |
14:28:31 | * | Bagder agrees |
14:28:56 | Bagder | the distortion was the reason we didn't release 1.2 last week, but afaik no one works on that ;-) |
14:29:15 | Hes | Yeah 8-) |
14:29:29 | Zagor | does anyone know a showstopper in the current code? |
14:30:28 | * | Bagder shakes his head |
14:30:43 | Linus | i have tried to work on the distortion, but i can't reproduce it |
14:30:58 | Bagder | so let's release it anyway |
14:31:04 | Zagor | I'm formally declaring a feature freeze NOW. Nobody commits new features until 1.2 is released. |
14:31:10 | Linus | i want to have a repeat setting |
14:31:19 | Bagder | hehehe |
14:31:24 | Zagor | No. Kill repeat until after 1.2 |
14:31:31 | Bagder | it took about 0.2 seconds of freeze ;-) |
14:31:40 | Linus | having playlists and dir play go on forever fells lame |
14:31:47 | Linus | feels |
14:32:06 | Zagor | exactly. so kill the repeat, unconditionally. 1.2 gets no repeat feature. |
14:32:07 | Bagder | sure, but who cares if 1.2 has it or the cvs the day after? |
14:32:25 | Linus | Bagder: lots of people do |
14:32:35 | Bagder | I doubt it very much |
14:32:39 | Linus | otherwise we wouldn't have releases at all |
14:32:49 | Bagder | people care about releases, yes |
14:32:55 | Bagder | but not very much about the repeat |
14:33:03 | Linus | really? |
14:33:13 | Bagder | really |
14:33:19 | Bagder | they rather have 1.2 as it is now |
14:33:22 | Bagder | than using 1.1 |
14:33:29 | Linus | ok, i can only speak for myself, but i assume you do to |
14:33:33 | Bagder | no |
14:33:45 | Bagder | I think the current is *SO* much better than 1.1 |
14:33:52 | Linus | that's not my point |
14:33:53 | Bagder | so I don't think repeat is an issue |
14:34:02 | Linus | i agree on that |
14:34:06 | Bagder | of course everyone wants as good software as possible |
14:34:52 | Bagder | Zagor: http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/rockbox-1.2-notes.txt |
14:35:03 | Bagder | its yours now ;-) |
14:35:04 | Zagor | Bagder: good, thanks |
14:35:29 | Linus | the hard drive is not set in deeper sleep anymore |
14:35:39 | Bagder | hehe, right |
14:37:37 | Linus | did we get those sokoban bug fixes? |
14:37:49 | Zagor | the levels, you mean? |
14:37:53 | Linus | the two maps that were impossible |
14:38:02 | Zagor | I think he fixed it |
14:38:03 | Linus | the two impossible maps, yes |
14:38:09 | Linus | ok |
14:39:34 | Linus | i think we should either implement a clock setting function, or lose the time display in 1.2 |
14:39:55 | Zagor | drop it |
14:40:04 | * | Zagor is ruthless |
14:40:17 | * | Bagder is scared |
14:40:50 | * | mbr too |
14:41:35 | * | Linus hides |
14:41:37 | notch|lunch | notch is trembling... |
14:41:49 | Linus | RUN! RUN! |
14:42:38 | Hes | Btw... didn't find EX70's yet, a high-end shop offered Koss plugs for around 50E |
14:43:23 | Hes | which didn't sound bad but a little pressure applied to a direction or another made a huge difference - the angle changed easily |
14:43:35 | Zagor | I would make sure to try both. I found them *very* different. |
14:43:56 | Hes | and they did fit under the helmet. Will try to find the EX70's for testing... |
14:45:34 | Linus | has anyone complained yet about the 200 file limit? |
14:45:38 | Hes | Did buy a set of 1800 mAh GP NiMH cells though. |
14:45:46 | Bagder | Linus: not that I've seen |
14:45:46 | Zagor | Linus: not that I've heard |
14:45:55 | Linus | just curious |
14:46:15 | Linus | do we still have high-bitrate problems on the recorder? |
14:46:34 | Linus | the IRAM fixes should have killed those |
14:46:57 | notch|lunch | Linus: any idea what is happening: I6D:A/D conv at 0900BCC4 |
14:47:13 | notch|lunch | (my serial remote code) |
14:47:40 | Linus | looks like you have enabled the A/D IRQ |
14:47:52 | notch|lunch | oooohh! |
14:49:33 | notch|lunch | let me check that... |
14:49:34 | Linus | you enable the wrong bits in IPRE |
14:49:34 | notch|lunch | ahh... |
14:49:34 | Linus | it should be 0x8000, not 0x0800 |
14:49:34 | notch|lunch | thanks! |
14:50:38 | Linus | IPRE = (IPRE & 0x0fff) | 0x8000; |
14:52:10 | Hes | Arrgh, seems you're not supposed to replace batteries every other day |
14:52:22 | Hes | not very easy to do. |
14:52:24 | Zagor | Hes: why not? |
14:52:52 | Zagor | you mean they are not easily replaced? |
14:54:12 | notch|lunch | Linus: 'I68:Ser1Err at 09008732' |
14:54:29 | notch|lunch | is this interupt defined somewhere else? |
14:54:31 | Hes | Zagor: right. |
14:56:03 | Linus | notch|lunch: your function must be named REI1, not ERI1 |
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15:01:53 | Linus | dwihno: are you there? |
15:09:19 | Bagder | Zagor: did you ever setup an announcement-only mailing list? |
15:09:51 | Bagder | I think some poeple would enjoy one |
15:10:06 | Zagor | ah, forgot that |
15:14:39 | Linus | Zagor: what is it that takes the most time when starting a playlist? |
15:14:54 | * | Linus is thinking about IRAM optimizations |
15:15:20 | Bagder | loading |
15:15:26 | Bagder | indexing newlines |
15:15:40 | Linus | and how long does it take? I have so small lists |
15:15:55 | Bagder | it takes about 1 sec/1000 files |
15:16:08 | Hes | mbr: if(current_tick-last_tick>HZ) |
15:16:09 | Bagder | I regularly run my 3200 song list |
15:16:30 | Hes | how will that work out when current_tick wraps? |
15:16:33 | Bagder | and it takes a few secs |
15:16:46 | Linus | Bagder: it should have improved since yesterday |
15:17:01 | Linus | (larger buffer) |
15:17:09 | mbr | Hes: Hmmm |
15:17:17 | Bagder | possible, I haven't been paying that much attention on that |
15:17:27 | Linus | Hes and mbr: use TIME_AFTER() |
15:17:57 | Zagor | actually, larger buffer makes it go slower. I did some testing early on and bigger buffer doesn't help |
15:18:16 | Linus | Hes and mbr: watch how sleep() is implemented (kernel.c) |
15:18:25 | Linus | Zagor: slower? |
15:19:01 | Zagor | yes, for some reason. you should benchmark it before modifying |
15:19:37 | Linus | it's already modified |
15:19:48 | Zagor | then benchmark it now |
15:19:59 | Linus | my playlists are too small |
15:20:26 | Bagder | find dir -printf "/%p\n" > list |
15:20:26 | Zagor | make a new one, with all files. then double it. |
15:20:43 | Bagder | on the root dir |
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15:32:12 | matp|work | how fast is usb on archos? 12 Mb/s or 1.5 Mb/s ? |
15:32:34 | Linus | Mbit or Mbyte? |
15:32:38 | matp|work | bit |
15:32:51 | Linus | 12 on player/studio/old_recorder |
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15:34:12 | matp|work | I'm reading that some usb 1.0 devices operate at 1.5Mb/s. But not archos then I take it. |
15:34:14 | Zagor | 480 on rec20 :-) |
15:34:26 | Linus | matp|work: no, they run 12 |
15:34:28 | Zagor | archos is usb1.1 |
15:35:01 | matp|work | if you have a usb2 port :( |
15:35:15 | Linus | who doesn't? :-) |
15:35:23 | Bagder | you buy a card with it |
15:35:36 | matp|work | huh? |
15:35:42 | Linus | PCI USB2 card |
15:36:05 | matp|work | I have crappy laptop (work property) |
15:36:11 | Linus | ah |
15:36:14 | Bagder | oh |
15:36:37 | * | matp|work burns with embarasment at not having usb2 |
15:37:18 | matp|work | i'm guessing pcmcia is expensive |
15:39:47 | Linus | about $100 in Sweden |
15:40:22 | Linus | including VAT |
15:45:16 | matp|work | about £50 over here. still a lot. |
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15:53:52 | elinenbe | check this out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/files/mail2archos.txt Will rockbox best archos? |
15:54:22 | elinenbe | this is a nice one: low battery indicator (blinking LED or display, beep from the headphones) |
15:57:50 | freshmaker | elinenbe: beep? On an mp3 player? Let's put Majel Barret's voice somewhere onto the HDD :-) |
15:58:35 | Zagor | uh, what's the syntax for perl free-format multiline strings? my head hurts... |
15:58:45 | Zagor | print << END or something. |
15:59:01 | Linus | elinenbe: what does it say? i don't have a yahoo account |
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16:00:06 | freshmaker | Zagor: print <<EOF; |
16:00:20 | freshmaker | Zagor: text text text |
16:00:26 | freshmaker | Zagor: EOF |
16:01:12 | freshmaker | Zagor: Is it for "Usage" help text? |
16:01:17 | Zagor | buh, had a space: << END |
16:01:28 | Zagor | no it's a script on the webpage |
16:01:44 | freshmaker | Ha, Perl's somtimes picky |
16:02:11 | Linus | time to go home |
16:02:14 | Linus | bye for now |
16:02:22 | Zagor | bye |
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16:04:28 | freshmaker | Hmm, can the DSP decode and mix two mp3s concurrently? |
16:07:19 | Zagor | no |
16:08:37 | freshmaker | *suck* |
16:08:52 | elinenbe | freshamker: if you get 2 jukeboxes, and then pipe them into individual inputs on a mixing board, then you can do anything you want to! |
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16:15:02 | freshmaker | 1.2 feature freeze −− what about the font issues? I still get '?' for 'ö'... |
16:15:24 | Bagder | it'll be like that in 1.2 too |
16:15:40 | Zagor | the font issue is a big one. it'll have to wait. |
16:16:02 | Bagder | you tried Alex's font patch Zagor? |
16:16:21 | Zagor | i've only read it. |
16:16:44 | Bagder | I'll try to have a go at his latest tomorrow or so |
16:16:57 | Bagder | I think it is in the right spirit |
16:17:09 | freshmaker | What's the problem? the charsets in chartables.c seem to provide diaeresis et.al. |
16:17:31 | Zagor | Bagder: yes, but we need to make it leaner |
16:17:34 | Bagder | freshmaker: the propfont does, but that isn't enabled in the default build |
16:17:58 | Bagder | Zagor: I believe his latest is better and we can remove a few memcpy()s to imrpove it |
16:18:08 | Zagor | good |
16:19:23 | freshmaker | Badger: never tried PROPFONT, does srolling work properly after enabling? |
16:19:53 | Zagor | freshmaker: 95% ok |
16:19:55 | Bagder | freshmaker: yes, it works rather good over all actually |
16:23:12 | freshmaker | yeah! cross binutils and gcc compiled and installed; piece of cake, thanks to linus' docs |
16:23:38 | Bagder | way to go |
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16:26:42 | freshmaker | ahh, the Makefile generated by tools/configure says 'make' instead of '$(MAKE)' *grr* |
16:26:48 | Zagor | I say hello, you say goodbye. nananaaa |
16:27:15 | Bagder | freshmaker: fix and mail us a patch ;-) |
16:28:00 | elinenbe | later. |
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16:28:38 | Bagder | Zagor: the mail addresses on the mail page have no mailto: parts |
16:28:48 | Bagder | making them bad links |
16:31:05 | Zagor | oh |
16:32:27 | Zagor | fixed |
16:32:49 | Bagder | uh |
16:32:57 | Bagder | you changed order on things? |
16:33:19 | Zagor | yes. any problems? |
16:33:40 | Bagder | not really, it just looks a bit "messy" |
16:33:55 | Bagder | I have no good solution to suggest though |
16:34:43 | Bagder | already a couple of new subscribers I see |
16:35:11 | Zagor | yup |
16:35:47 | freshmaker | Badger: patch is ready and posted onto the list |
16:35:56 | Bagder | nice |
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16:38:11 | * | Bagder ran '../tools/configure update' |
16:38:27 | Bagder | oh I am good ;-) |
16:39:40 | Bagder | freshmaker: applied |
16:41:34 | Bagder | thanks |
16:43:40 | freshmaker | you're welcome. let's see what i can do w/ that logarithmic volume thing i posted to the list |
16:44:55 | Bagder | I think the charger code stops charging too early |
16:45:20 | Bagder | mostly a gut feeling at this point |
16:45:27 | USAG33k | hrm |
16:45:51 | USAG33k | if you don't mind my asking, how do you track the charge status of the batteries |
16:45:56 | Zagor | Bagder: i think you're right. six hours is too short time for a full charge |
16:46:09 | Zagor | USAG33k: the voltage dips when they are full |
16:46:14 | Bagder | Zagor: it stops charging even before that |
16:46:26 | Zagor | Bagder: before six hours? ok |
16:46:42 | Bagder | a couple of hours ago I charged and went into the debug scren for the battery |
16:46:48 | Bagder | it said it didn't charge anymore |
16:46:55 | Bagder | I removed the charger plug |
16:47:03 | USAG33k | ah |
16:47:19 | Bagder | and now the battery indicator is very low, which indicates that it didn't do a full load before |
16:48:02 | Bagder | but I didn't take any detailed notes, I'll do that next time |
16:48:52 | Bagder | Zagor: what do you say about a single status page with the CVS activity, bug reports and compile status on? |
16:49:06 | Bagder | I hate having to switch between those two pages |
16:49:22 | Bagder | and scroll down the daily build page |
16:49:48 | Bagder | we can leave those two as they are and only add a new page for freaks like me ;-) |
16:50:46 | Zagor | sure |
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16:51:41 | Bagder | didya announce the announce-list on the yahoo group? |
16:51:55 | Bagder | I figure people there might like it |
16:52:03 | Zagor|food | no, i'll do that |
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16:54:22 | notch|lunch | The latest cvs firmware ROCKS guys! |
16:54:31 | notch|lunch | :-)) |
16:54:37 | Bagder | hehe, goodie |
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17:09:52 | Hes | Bagder: did you look at the voltage graph... what was the peak voltage? |
17:10:22 | Hes | 6h should be enough... also, the second view of the battery debugger shows the last action the charger did on the bottom line |
17:10:31 | Bagder | it was less than 6, but I didn't pay enough attention |
17:10:41 | Hes | so you can see if the 6h limit hit, or what happened |
17:11:09 | Hes | I doubt the 6h limit hits... and yes, it might stop charging a bit too early now, it needs to be tuned a little probably |
17:11:15 | Bagder | it said 'charging: no' |
17:11:35 | Hes | once we have some experience to know what and how 8-) |
17:11:39 | Bagder | it says so now, with battery at 5.20 |
17:12:07 | Bagder | what exactly does charging: no mean? |
17:12:15 | Hes | It means it is not charging. |
17:12:20 | Bagder | that it reached the top? |
17:12:38 | Hes | Nope, it just means that it is not charging at the very moment 8-) |
17:12:49 | Bagder | ok, so it can stop before it reaches the top |
17:12:50 | Hes | The last line shows the last action |
17:13:32 | Hes | No, it only stops charging when 1) charger is detached 2) 6h timeout hits 3) voltage decreases sharply when charging 4) voltage stops increasing for a long time |
17:13:54 | Bagder | so when I get it now, it isn't normal |
17:14:13 | Bagder | it switched back to yes now and the voltate climbs again |
17:14:23 | Hes | It is normal? |
17:14:41 | Hes | What did the last line say? |
17:14:51 | Bagder | started at 84% |
17:15:24 | Hes | Ok... next time it stops, that line will tell you why it stopped |
17:15:38 | Bagder | ok now |
17:15:41 | Hes | you can look at the voltage graph what happens... 1 sample per minute |
17:15:44 | Bagder | end negd -66 12min |
17:16:02 | Bagder | battery: 5.24 V |
17:16:32 | Hes | Ok... so it charged for 12 minutes, and suddenly the voltage decreased while charging (negative delta value of -66) |
17:16:40 | Hes | so it decided the battery must be full |
17:16:52 | Bagder | ok |
17:17:07 | Bagder | but it isn't |
17:17:42 | Bagder | could the voltage drop be because of disk activity or something? |
17:17:44 | Hes | check the scale on the voltage graph, what's the highest value it reached? |
17:17:58 | Bagder | 5.34 |
17:18:00 | Hes | Yes, the voltage drops because of disk activity but we take an average over quite many samples |
17:18:08 | Bagder | ok |
17:19:08 | Hes | Could you please try the archos charger now, and right after it decides the battery is full, go to rockbox (without charger attached) and check the battery voltage |
17:20:10 | Hes | What did the battery level (in info) say after the charging stopped? |
17:20:16 | Bagder | sure, but I expect it to take a while before it thinks it is full |
17:20:48 | Hes | I'd just like to know the top voltage reached with both rockbox and archos chargers on each set of batteries |
17:20:58 | Hes | to get an idea how far we are |
17:21:11 | Bagder | I see |
17:22:07 | Bagder | gotta run now, I'll check out more details later |
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17:56:54 | mecraw | Could someone send me the latest CVS recorder build? |
17:57:31 | * | edx fixed the w32sim |
17:58:15 | edx | strange that it compiled with linux... |
17:58:58 | edx | doh! |
17:59:01 | edx | now makefile is used |
17:59:06 | edx | before it was makefile.vc6 |
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18:00:06 | Zagor | hmm, the clock has to go from the status bar or we're going to get truckloads of bug reports. mine shows "315:7" after battery change. |
18:00:54 | edx | lol |
18:01:47 | * | edx gets himself a coke. |
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18:03:55 | mbr|gone | Zagor: i work on a clock set menu |
18:04:23 | Zagor | i'm sorry, but it'll have to wait |
18:05:07 | mbr|gone | OK. But after release we will add the clock again? I like it! |
18:05:16 | Zagor | yup |
18:07:18 | mbr|gone | Is it known, that lcd_invertrect is the same as lcd_fillrect? |
18:07:26 | edx | Zagor: do you think it would be useful to add a link to the daily page like "Win32Sim Executables: http://codeforce.d2g.com/rockbox/autocvs/"? This folder always contains the latest compilations of the win32 executables |
18:08:41 | Zagor | sure |
18:08:45 | Zagor | i'll add it |
18:09:06 | edx | ok :) |
18:09:17 | Zagor | but is that daily or cvs builds? |
18:10:53 | Zagor | because the cvs builds we have locally |
18:11:25 | edx | whats the difference between daily and cvs builds? |
18:12:00 | Zagor | the daily is only built once, 6AM GMT. the cvs builds are done all constantly |
18:12:10 | edx | ah ok.. |
18:12:15 | edx | then this is cvs build |
18:12:18 | Zagor | but i'll add links for the bleeding edge cvs builds |
18:12:24 | edx | heh ok ;) |
18:13:12 | mecraw | links to CVS builds would be a lifesaver |
18:13:45 | mecraw | i've been without build capability for 2 weeks and it kills me to wait for the nightly builds :) |
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18:36:51 | Zagor | cvs builds linked |
18:46:14 | * | mecraw sheds tears of joy |
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18:55:10 | Zagor | hey bager. check out http://rockbox.haxx.se/status.shtml |
18:55:39 | Bagder | neato |
18:56:17 | Bagder | exactly what I wanted |
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18:59:50 | Zagor | i'm considering reverting elinenbe's accelerated scroll patch. I think many others will be as frustrated by it as me. |
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19:00:11 | Bagder | I haven't tried it |
19:00:25 | Bagder | I updated just before that one got in |
19:00:29 | Zagor | ok |
19:01:15 | Bagder | btw, I got the curl job |
19:01:36 | Zagor | oh, I haven't heard about that |
19:01:58 | Bagder | oh, sorry, I guy mailed me and asked if I could do a curl hack for them, paid |
19:02:17 | Bagder | so now I'm gonna write a few commands lines to send and receive mail using the netscape webmail |
19:02:29 | Zagor | cool |
19:02:50 | Bagder | yeah |
19:08:04 | heltrskeltr349 | what exactly does the autovolume do? |
19:08:34 | Zagor | it lowers the volume durin loud passages, trying to keep the max at a constant level |
19:08:57 | heltrskeltr349 | ah...very handy |
19:10:09 | Zagor | it's a mixed blessing. it kills all volume effects in songs, but is quite handy if you mix soft and loud songs |
19:12:02 | heltrskeltr349 | it'll be nice not to have to run for the volume when I'm in quiet places and it hits a loud song |
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19:24:34 | Zagor | Bagder: recorder-debug autobuild builds recorder-normal |
19:25:54 | Bagder | hm |
19:27:57 | Bagder | fixed now I think |
19:28:42 | Bagder | I have all those builds' makefiles setup manually |
19:29:00 | Zagor | yup, fixed |
19:29:04 | Bagder | in case you ever feel like poking around ;-) |
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19:40:11 | Bagder | it seems browsers understand a "Refresh:" header |
19:40:37 | Zagor | what is that? |
19:40:53 | Bagder | in the same format as those meta tags |
19:41:06 | Bagder | like a Location: |
19:41:33 | Zagor | ah, yes. the downside to that is that you get the page in history, making it hard to navigate back |
19:42:02 | Bagder | and in this case, I get to parse it myself as curl doesn't grok it |
19:42:11 | Zagor | The web site contains 592 files in 63 directories, of which 374 are html files. |
19:42:20 | Zagor | ah |
19:42:47 | * | Zagor found a nice perl script called "linklint" |
19:42:54 | Bagder | neato |
19:43:19 | Bagder | I don't think I dare run one on the curl site ;-) |
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19:43:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dwihno |
19:43:49 | Zagor | hehe |
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19:44:22 | Zagor | 1388 links in total :-) |
19:44:36 | Zagor | i love pointless statistics |
19:44:39 | Bagder | and they're all correct now I take it? ;-) |
19:45:06 | dwihno | Hej hej! |
19:45:31 | Zagor | some mails in the archive refer to an old location of the archive, but that's all |
19:46:01 | dwihno | Hey, someone has stolen my shirt graphics on the t-shirt competition page! *offended* |
19:46:35 | Zagor | dwihno: huh? |
19:46:48 | Bagder | you mean the shirt outline? |
19:46:53 | dwihno | Yes! :( |
19:46:59 | dwihno | What a weener! |
19:47:02 | dwihno | wiener |
19:47:07 | Zagor | winner |
19:47:09 | Zagor | ;) |
19:47:13 | dwihno | :-( |
19:47:16 | Bagder | heheh |
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19:47:20 | dwihno | He stole my gfx! |
19:47:26 | dwihno | My nice gfx0rs! |
19:47:30 | dwihno | He evil dude is! |
19:47:31 | edx | hi |
19:47:32 | Zagor | imitation is the highest form of flattery. relax. |
19:48:15 | dwihno | hehe |
19:48:38 | dwihno | Copying digital material without written permission from the owner is illegal, according to the millennium digital act :-) |
19:48:54 | Zagor | hehe, and you live where? :) |
19:48:59 | dwihno | Iran |
19:49:05 | dwihno | With my brother Muhammed |
19:50:00 | dwihno | I MUST win the competition! :-) |
19:51:00 | edx | maybe teh internet addresses could be fixed on the shirts ;) |
19:51:30 | Zagor | yeah |
19:52:09 | edx | I like the list of names on it ;) |
19:52:46 | edx | maybe ill try to design one, too - i'd propably good to put the irc channel on it as well |
19:52:52 | edx | i'd = it'd |
19:52:53 | dwihno | edx: my shirt has the correct internet address :-) |
19:52:59 | edx | hehe :D |
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19:53:11 | * | edx praises dwihno for the correct address |
19:53:39 | dwihno | :D |
19:55:18 | * | dwihno praises edx for the work on the win32 simu |
19:55:26 | edx | lol |
19:55:33 | edx | havent been working on it for a while.. |
19:56:10 | edx | during the day i'm helping out at a university at the moment (doing some programs..)- that's why I dont have that much time |
19:56:56 | dwihno | ah, okay |
19:56:56 | * | Bagder mumbles |
19:57:13 | * | dwihno watches his roomie assemble a compter |
19:57:58 | Bagder | can I ask you guys an unrelated question |
19:58:15 | Bagder | <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="/mcLib.js.psp"></SCRIPT> |
19:58:29 | Bagder | does this make the browser load the script from that page? |
19:58:42 | edx | yea |
19:58:48 | * | Bagder shrugs |
19:58:54 | edx | you dont even need the / in from of mcLin.js.psp |
19:59:17 | edx | what else would it do? |
19:59:27 | Bagder | heck do I know |
19:59:35 | Bagder | I was hoping for something else |
19:59:43 | edx | what else? :) |
19:59:49 | Bagder | *anything* |
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20:00:10 | Bagder | its a long story, I won't bore you with it |
20:00:40 | edx | well if you think so :] |
20:02:22 | Bagder | my goal being to script my way into the netscape web mail system |
20:03:34 | Zagor | Bagder: I got X forwarding to work now |
20:03:42 | Bagder | nice |
20:03:49 | Bagder | did you do anything special? |
20:04:07 | Zagor | the silly thing uses /usr/etc/ssh instead of /etc/ssh for config files |
20:04:56 | Hadaka | happens when things stupidly set −−prefix=/usr and don't take care that the config directory is /etc |
20:06:08 | Bagder | which did, the client? |
20:06:16 | Zagor | −−prefix normally doesn't apply to config dir, does it? I've never seen this before |
20:06:23 | Zagor | Bagder: no, the server |
20:06:49 | Hadaka | well many packages do take −−prefix to apply to config dir |
20:07:00 | Zagor | apparently :-) |
20:07:37 | Hadaka | it makes more sense in the /usr/local/etc or /home/foobar/package/etc case |
20:07:37 | Bagder | so slapping on a -f made it work? |
20:08:08 | Zagor | no, fixing the /usr/etc/sshd_config to enable x11forward made it work |
20:08:18 | Bagder | ah |
20:08:30 | Zagor | but i'm rebuilding it to use /etc/ssh instead |
20:08:47 | Bagder | "The default is /usr/local/etc/sshd_config." |
20:08:52 | Bagder | (man page) |
20:11:32 | Zagor | uh, −−sysconfdir didn't help. screw this, i'm symlinking |
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20:36:59 | Bagder | 29 GET requests just to login |
20:37:32 | Zagor | whoa! |
20:37:48 | Bagder | they did put an effort on obfuscating this |
20:39:29 | Bagder | oh, there's a few POSTs too :-/ |
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21:11:54 | Zagor | did linus ever mention why he added a timeout to button_get in tree.c? |
21:12:06 | Zagor | now we redraw the screen 5 times per second :-( |
21:13:28 | Zagor | oh, crap. it's because he chickened out and never gave the status bar it's own thread. bleh |
21:13:39 | * | Zagor scratches his head |
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21:39:38 | dwihno | Zagor: I need a tip! :-) |
21:39:47 | dwihno | Partition managing software dfor dODS |
21:39:49 | dwihno | DOS |
21:40:22 | Zagor | for dos? |
21:40:27 | Zagor | fdisk |
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21:40:56 | dwihno | It's homosexual - it says the 80 gig disk is only 14 gig |
21:41:00 | Zagor | dwihno: how did you work when you designed your font? any tools? |
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21:41:21 | dwihno | Zagor: I did it by hand in a C file which produces the .h |
21:41:22 | Zagor | dwihno: dos was obsoleted in the 80s. it wants to die. let it. |
21:41:29 | dwihno | I should convert it to a usable format (ajz) |
21:43:06 | dwihno | :-) |
21:43:09 | dwihno | Me refuses |
21:43:19 | dwihno | How do I partition the disk then? :-) |
21:44:21 | freshmaker | Someone know, when Linus is back? |
21:44:22 | Zagor | use a linux boot floppy |
21:44:36 | dwihno | Zagor: smart thinking ;) |
21:44:42 | Zagor | freshmaker: in about 10-12 hours, I'd think |
21:44:50 | Zagor | it's 21:43 here |
21:45:16 | freshmaker | Here, too ;-) |
21:45:43 | Zagor | oh :) |
21:45:48 | freshmaker | i've some questions about status.c, it's from him |
21:46:03 | Zagor | maybe I can help |
21:46:46 | freshmaker | moment |
21:48:39 | freshmaker | the code for the status bar assumes, that volume is always from 0 to 100. It does not care about min, max and default values. |
21:49:24 | Zagor | right. that's the way it's been for a while, so it's naturally |
21:50:06 | freshmaker | i'm experimenting with user selectable volume characteristics; so one does not need mor than 20 steps for volume setting |
21:50:46 | freshmaker | you can select from liner, square, square root and logarithmic |
21:51:04 | freshmaker | depending on you preferred volume listening range |
21:52:44 | freshmaker | Zagor: eh, how do you activate the status bar? |
21:53:17 | Zagor | f3 |
21:53:49 | Zagor | read the manual ;-) |
21:53:53 | freshmaker | hmm, do i need a compile time option? |
21:54:29 | Zagor | no |
21:54:33 | gerrger | fresh - you need to turn it on in general settings |
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21:54:40 | dwihno | Zagor: what dist do you recommend? |
21:54:45 | dwihno | Zagor: I'd prefer a single disk |
21:54:46 | Zagor | debian |
21:54:51 | Zagor | ah, for the disk. wait. |
21:55:01 | freshmaker | nothing happens, when i press f3 in wps |
21:55:42 | Zagor | it's only visible in the browser |
21:56:04 | freshmaker | ah, thanx, got it |
21:56:25 | Zagor | dwihno: http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Distributions/Tiny/Floppy_Sized/ |
21:57:19 | Zagor | i've used tomsrtbt a couple of times |
21:57:24 | dwihno | A single floppy? |
21:57:26 | Zagor | yup |
21:57:36 | dwihno | with fdisk? :) |
21:57:57 | Zagor | yes |
21:58:02 | Zagor | http://www.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt.FAQ |
21:58:04 | dwihno | Zagor: hey, the files are > 1.44 meg! :) |
21:58:53 | Zagor | yeah, it formats to 1.722 meg |
21:59:26 | dwihno | Ok, I'm downloading some DOS file now |
21:59:34 | dwihno | Evil formatting 1x2 |
21:59:41 | dwihno | Rescue floppies to the people! :) |
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22:02:47 | dwihno | Floppies to the rescue! :-) |
22:02:55 | dwihno | 11.5kb/s |
22:02:58 | dwihno | *yawn* |
22:03:01 | freshmaker | ahh, damn. the code is quite ok. it uses mpeg_val2phys(), right. i shouldn't code with less than 4 capucchinos... |
22:03:58 | Hadaka | floppy-fw is nice for linux 2.4.18 one floppy things |
22:04:06 | Hadaka | it has iptables and iproute |
22:04:50 | Hadaka | not for formatting ofcourse |
22:05:18 | Hadaka | dwihno: did you try the disk management in your windows to partition the drive? |
22:05:26 | dwihno | Hadaka: this is a 100% new computer |
22:06:03 | Hadaka | ok then I missed the problem |
22:06:55 | dwihno | No disk image in the archive, Zagor |
22:09:26 | Hadaka | you need to partition the drive in a 100% new computer? how - and for what operating systems? |
22:10:43 | Zagor | tomsrtbt-2.0.103/tomsrtbt.raw |
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22:16:12 | dwihno | Hadaka: wingaytendo |
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22:20:48 | Hadaka | so what's wrong with just installing windows on it straight away? the volume management tools do let you separate it into partitions later on - atleast somehow I think |
22:23:40 | Zagor | last I installed windows, the install CD required a partitioned and formatted C: |
22:23:53 | Hadaka | ooh |
22:23:57 | Zagor | i haven't touched any of the later incarnations, though, so that may have changed |
22:24:01 | Hadaka | that shouldn't happen these days |
22:24:10 | Hadaka | I just installed XP in VMWare at work |
22:24:41 | Hadaka | had to install the pre-emptiple kernel patch during the installation though - got sick and tired of my mouse jerking around and computer being unusable |
22:27:11 | dwihno | :-) |
22:27:15 | dwihno | Zagor has found the GNU light! :) |
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23:27:10 | volucris | hey anyone alive? |
23:27:26 | Zagor | yup |
23:28:08 | volucris | i was wondering if there were any mods someone has done that make a archos jukebox usb2.0 compatible |
23:28:42 | Zagor | nope. it's rather unlikely anyone will ever do it. it's a big difference |
23:29:01 | volucris | damn, i figured so...was just hoping |
23:30:54 | Zagor | brb |
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