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| 03:11:53 | fragglet | hey |
| 03:12:01 | fragglet | does rockbox support recording yet |
| 03:12:43 | adi|home | nope |
| 03:12:51 | adi|home | we're hoping that for maybe 1.4 |
| 03:13:03 | adi|home | right now we dont have disk writting working yet |
| 03:13:07 | fragglet | oh cool |
| 03:13:12 | adi|home | when that happens.. recording shouldn't be too far behind |
| 03:13:22 | fragglet | i just installed rockbox on my recorder :) |
| 03:13:30 | adi|home | sweet :) |
| 03:13:32 | fragglet | its really good from what i've seen |
| 03:13:36 | adi|home | how do you like it so far? |
| 03:13:44 | adi|home | you on the mailing list? |
| 03:14:04 | fragglet | i'm not on the list |
| 03:14:13 | fragglet | it seems really cool so far though |
| 03:14:25 | adi|home | nods |
| 03:14:34 | adi|home | you may want to join the list if you feel like helping out |
| 03:14:35 | adi|home | :) |
| 03:14:50 | adi|home | either that or just hang on for the line |
| 03:15:29 | adi|home | the ride rather :) |
| 03:15:35 | fragglet | :) |
| 03:25:05 | datazone-work | hmm.. you guys are some sharp cookies.. i have a real bad hardware problem with my jukebox and its no longer under warrenty |
| 03:31:01 | datazone-work | no takers? |
| 03:31:04 | datazone-work | oh well |
| 03:36:53 | fragglet | hey |
| 03:37:04 | fragglet | i dont know much about the archos internals so i dont know if this would be feasible |
| 03:37:14 | datazone-work | ah |
| 03:37:18 | datazone-work | no prob |
| 03:37:29 | fragglet | but i saw on the site it wouldnt be possible to play oggs because you'd have to reprogram the dsp chip |
| 03:37:41 | fragglet | and the cpu isnt fast enough to do the decoding |
| 03:37:50 | fragglet | what about other formats |
| 03:37:53 | fragglet | like shn |
| 03:37:59 | fragglet | which is lossless |
| 03:38:02 | adi|home | same thing |
| 03:38:05 | adi|home | check out the FAQ |
| 03:38:31 | adi|home | question 17 to be exact |
| 03:38:39 | adi|home | datazone what is the issue your having? |
| 03:38:49 | fragglet | does all output have to go through the dsp? |
| 03:39:01 | adi|home | as far as i know yeah... |
| 03:39:08 | fragglet | ok |
| 03:39:11 | fragglet | just a thought :) |
| 03:39:28 | datazone-work | well, today the device just locked up and started giving hard drive errors |
| 03:39:33 | fragglet | i have like a ton of .shn files you see |
| 03:39:38 | datazone-work | so i figure, okay, run scandisk and fix it |
| 03:40:00 | datazone-work | tried that, then the device would no longer power up in mp3 playing mode |
| 03:40:06 | adi|home | were you using Rockbox or the factory firmware? |
| 03:40:11 | datazone-work | factory |
| 03:40:23 | adi|home | hmmm... are you still able to mount the device? |
| 03:40:30 | adi|home | and access it |
| 03:40:52 | datazone-work | only under windows 2000... undex 98 or linux it auto powers off after usb activation |
| 03:41:12 | adi|home | hmmmm... |
| 03:41:15 | datazone-work | i reformatted |
| 03:41:39 | adi|home | well.. what you could try is dling the rockbox new release, loading that and see if it runs |
| 03:41:40 | datazone-work | i even pulled the unit apart and rebuilt the partition by directly connecting it to another computer |
| 03:41:52 | adi|home | if it does, thens its not a hardware issue |
| 03:42:47 | datazone-work | adi|home: it doesnt even show anything on the display unless the power cable is in it, and then only the "battery charging" screen or the usb active screen |
| 03:42:57 | adi|home | ahhh... |
| 03:43:03 | adi|home | well you might have fully drained the batteries |
| 03:43:12 | adi|home | unless you know there is a charge there... |
| 03:43:37 | datazone-work | there is, i always keep the unit charged, and its always plugged in when i am not using it |
| 03:43:50 | adi|home | hmmm.. not sure.. |
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| 03:43:59 | adi|home | hang out here if you can... |
| 03:44:13 | datazone-work | only thing i can think of is if the internal firmware is corrupted in some manner |
| 03:44:15 | adi|home | when Zagor or Bagder come in see if they know... |
| 03:44:20 | datazone-work | okay |
| 03:44:22 | datazone-work | will do |
| 03:44:29 | jmw | hey all, how do you get the simulator to run with a newly built firmware build |
| 03:44:40 | datazone-work | in the mean time i will call best buy and see when they will have the multimedia in stock |
| 03:47:48 | datazone-work | how in hell is "archos" pronunced? |
| 03:48:29 | datazone-work | i swear to god i hate retail stores, he dont have it in stock nor knows when it will be instock |
| 03:49:20 | jmw | pronouncing archos.. me and my work mates say "ARR-CHOSE" but we're probably wrong |
| 03:51:46 | | Nick dwihno|PARTY is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
| 03:51:49 | dwihno | The party is OVER :-) |
| 03:51:59 | datazone-work | damn |
| 03:52:18 | dwihno | :-) |
| 03:52:22 | dwihno | At least, for me |
| 03:52:36 | dwihno | You don't have to stop! :) |
| 03:53:01 | jmw | so how do you guys pronounce it |
| 03:53:13 | jmw | archos that is |
| 03:53:31 | PSycoXul | i usualy say ar-kose |
| 03:53:42 | jmw | why |
| 03:53:46 | PSycoXul | i dunno |
| 03:53:50 | PSycoXul | :p |
| 03:54:07 | datazone-work | i say "arch-o-s" |
| 03:54:19 | jmw | ar-cho-ess? |
| 03:54:27 | datazone-work | no |
| 03:54:29 | jmw | or ar-choes |
| 03:54:36 | datazone-work | "arch" "o" "s" |
| 03:54:42 | PSycoXul | heh |
| 03:55:02 | dwihno | arc oz (with a 's' pronounciation on the z) |
| 03:55:02 | PSycoXul | arkos! |
| 03:55:23 | PSycoXul | heh |
| 03:55:30 | jmw | o as in dog or o as in toblerone |
| 03:55:31 | PSycoXul | o as in holy |
| 03:55:38 | PSycoXul | for mine :p |
| 03:55:43 | datazone-work | o as in team |
| 03:55:45 | jmw | why didnt they call it something more simple |
| 03:55:48 | PSycoXul | heh |
| 03:55:58 | datazone-work | its the company name |
| 03:56:01 | PSycoXul | jmw: why didn't who call what? :p |
| 03:56:02 | dwihno | "MP3 player thingy" :) |
| 03:56:12 | jmw | yeah that woulda done. |
| 03:56:20 | PSycoXul | then it'd been the archos mp3 player thingy |
| 03:56:41 | jmw | cool-hardware-crap-software might have done too. |
| 03:56:41 | datazone-work | its name is just jukebox 6000 |
| 03:56:42 | PSycoXul | rather than archos {jukebox,recorder,multimedia} |
| 03:57:05 | jmw | yeah but i have the recorder. i can't call it recorder coz ppl think i'm talking about a girl's whistle |
| 03:57:20 | PSycoXul | so call it an mp3 recoder |
| 03:57:25 | PSycoXul | or a jukebox recorder |
| 03:57:33 | datazone-work | oh well, i think i should go home now... i have had too bad of a day to stick around.. i wonder how worse it could get |
| 03:57:39 | jmw | i don't have time to say that |
| 03:57:54 | dwihno | datazone-work: don't say so - it will cause the evil spirits to make the day worse! :( |
| 03:57:57 | dwihno | Yum |
| 03:58:03 | datazone-work | i dare them |
| 03:58:03 | dwihno | I smell like a smeetvrees! |
| 03:58:11 | PSycoXul | heh |
| 03:58:15 | jmw | so does anyone know how to use the simulator or am i wasting my time |
| 03:58:28 | PSycoXul | you run it |
| 03:58:33 | PSycoXul | after compiling it... |
| 03:58:39 | dwihno | yeah, is there more to it than that? |
| 03:58:42 | PSycoXul | press some keys |
| 03:58:46 | PSycoXul | thats about it |
| 03:58:58 | jmw | yeah but i wanna run a different .mod file... how.. HOW.. HOOW |
| 03:59:03 | PSycoXul | it doesn't run .mod files |
| 03:59:08 | PSycoXul | it runs code compiled into it |
| 03:59:09 | jmw | so what's the point man |
| 03:59:12 | jmw | oh i see |
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| 03:59:19 | jmw | now there's an idea. |
| 03:59:36 | PSycoXul | it'd be nice if it ran .mod files but that'd be a lot of emulation |
| 03:59:37 | dwihno | yeah, why test everything in a test environment instead of trying it on the hardware :) |
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| 04:00:02 | jmw | my poor "jukebox recorder unit" gets hot if i leave it connected for hours at a time |
| 04:00:03 | PSycoXul | hmm wtf |
| 04:00:06 | | Nick PSycoXul is now known as PsycoXul (psyco@adsl-63-205-45-167.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 04:00:07 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:00:20 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:00:34 | jmw | so how many ppl here are actually coders |
| 04:00:40 | PsycoXul | not very many? |
| 04:00:44 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 04:01:00 | jmw | so what do you do if you're not a coder |
| 04:01:05 | PsycoXul | use |
| 04:01:07 | PsycoXul | discuss |
| 04:01:11 | PsycoXul | whine |
| 04:01:14 | jmw | an abuser huh |
| 04:01:50 | PsycoXul | tell the people who actualy have a clue what they're doing about how they're doing it wrong... heh |
| 04:01:55 | PsycoXul | etc :p |
| 04:02:25 | jmw | now that's a complicated sentence that i'm really too tired to comprehend |
| 04:02:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:02:54 | dwihno | in short: PsycoXul is the official support guy - just /msg him with your questions :) |
| 04:03:05 | PsycoXul | tell "the people who actualy have a clue what they're doing" about "how they're doing it wrong" |
| 04:03:24 | PsycoXul | that better? heh |
| 04:03:35 | jmw | i'm reading it the 6th time |
| 04:03:41 | PsycoXul | nm :p |
| 04:03:41 | jmw | hold on.. |
| 04:04:20 | jmw | so you tell the experts about stuff they messed up |
| 04:04:34 | PsycoXul | yeah something like that |
| 04:04:44 | PsycoXul | i've been slacking on my job though |
| 04:04:52 | jmw | sounds like QA |
| 04:05:00 | jmw | QA sucks. |
| 04:05:02 | PsycoXul | somehow i guess i let the player's distortion slip into 1.2 still |
| 04:05:21 | PsycoXul | i must not have annoyed linus about it enough |
| 04:05:25 | jmw | distortion isn't a biggie.. just turn down the loudness. archos users are used to it |
| 04:05:39 | PsycoXul | nah, its volume-independant |
| 04:05:48 | jmw | really. haven't noticed that |
| 04:05:50 | PsycoXul | and it's never happened on the stock firmware |
| 04:05:59 | jmw | volume and bass independent? |
| 04:06:02 | PsycoXul | the distortion i've gotten with rockbox on my player, anyways |
| 04:06:09 | PsycoXul | bass and trebble effect it |
| 04:06:16 | PsycoXul | bass increases it, trebble decreases it |
| 04:06:30 | jmw | bass always used to distort.. but i found turning the loudness setting down sorts it out |
| 04:06:44 | jmw | but maybe that's just me |
| 04:06:46 | PsycoXul | i get it through the line-out even |
| 04:07:01 | PsycoXul | and when the volume's set to barely audible |
| 04:07:11 | PsycoXul | its sporadic though |
| 04:07:14 | jmw | interesting. |
| 04:07:19 | PsycoXul | if i reboot it enough times it'll eventualy go away |
| 04:07:20 | jmw | well kinda interesting. |
| 04:07:48 | jmw | i thought all that sound generation stuff was all hardware |
| 04:07:51 | jmw | not rockbox |
| 04:07:59 | jmw | but whaddo i know |
| 04:08:13 | PsycoXul | well there's a lot of settings on the hardware |
| 04:08:28 | PsycoXul | and different ways to mess with it all |
| 04:08:31 | jmw | so you want it to stop distortion by knowing what the max should be set to for that song? |
| 04:08:37 | jmw | yeah it's complex. |
| 04:08:54 | PsycoXul | well |
| 04:08:59 | PsycoXul | with the default sound settings |
| 04:09:14 | PsycoXul | then i'll either get it or i wont |
| 04:09:21 | PsycoXul | and when i get it it'll distort on any full-sounding song |
| 04:09:25 | PsycoXul | usualy with a good amount of bass |
| 04:09:31 | jmw | story of my life.. |
| 04:09:42 | PsycoXul | but mostly when there's a big range of sound |
| 04:09:54 | jmw | yeah.. i always noticed that even with the original firmware |
| 04:10:08 | PsycoXul | for example a bass drum hit won't always distort by itself but with a guitar going it'll distort when the bass drum hits |
| 04:10:13 | jmw | i wish it was more dynamic... read ahead to see whether it needed to adjust the bass |
| 04:10:40 | PsycoXul | but then i reboot a few times and it'll come up without distortion |
| 04:10:46 | PsycoXul | and then it all plays clear |
| 04:10:50 | jmw | well that sounds like a bug then |
| 04:10:56 | PsycoXul | it is |
| 04:11:03 | PsycoXul | like i said i've never gotten it with the stock firmware |
| 04:11:08 | PsycoXul | and i didn't used to get it with rockbox |
| 04:11:21 | jmw | you don't have any idea what the status of the writing code is do you... i mean, whether anyone has tested anything yet |
| 04:11:39 | PsycoXul | well i don't think there's any code for file writing yet |
| 04:11:44 | PsycoXul | but write access to the disk works |
| 04:11:50 | jmw | i was really impressed with the speed of 1.2 |
| 04:12:05 | jmw | well why doesn't anyone write the file writing code |
| 04:12:16 | jmw | what else do they have to do damnit |
| 04:12:43 | PsycoXul | for players you can define something in the build and it'll add the code to save the settings to a sector on the HD |
| 04:12:44 | dwihno | cvs has experimental writing |
| 04:12:46 | PsycoXul | which works fine for me |
| 04:12:57 | dwihno | (if you define it) |
| 04:12:59 | PsycoXul | but even thats experimental, thus having to define it |
| 04:13:20 | jmw | i got the latest cvs.. the experimental stuff isn't integrated into the UI right? |
| 04:13:36 | jmw | oh if you define it |
| 04:13:38 | PsycoXul | well there's no UI element to the settings saving code |
| 04:13:55 | jmw | well i got a recorder anyway, so it stores it in that ram with a funny name |
| 04:14:07 | jmw | i desperately want a resume function. |
| 04:14:26 | PsycoXul | but you gotta define SAVE_TO_DISK |
| 04:14:27 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 04:14:33 | PsycoXul | the recorder just uses the rtc ram |
| 04:14:50 | jmw | so why is resume so far down in the feature list |
| 04:14:59 | jmw | i mean, on the recorder it could just store the resume stuff in rtc |
| 04:15:08 | jmw | how difficult could it be |
| 04:15:20 | PsycoXul | actualy |
| 04:15:23 | jmw | if i'm starting to sound like i'm whining i apologize |
| 04:15:29 | jmw | but it's not fair!!!!!! |
| 04:15:36 | PsycoXul | playlist resume shouldn't be too hard to impliment at this point |
| 04:15:50 | jmw | yeah that almost exactly what i want |
| 04:16:30 | PsycoXul | there's no in-track seeking code at all yet that i know of though |
| 04:16:33 | jmw | another thing i was thinking about was searching. i want something like winamp, and i think that needs a pre-generated index file.. and a simple UI and tree traversal around that. |
| 04:16:43 | jmw | why isn't searching on the feature list |
| 04:17:00 | PsycoXul | well they're still trying to get the more basic features in there |
| 04:17:05 | jmw | in-track seeking isn't a biggie.. just remembering the location in the playlist is good enough for now |
| 04:17:07 | jmw | yeah i know. |
| 04:17:30 | jmw | i'm just excited by all this... i only found rockbox a couple of days ago, before that i thought my archos had hit a deadend. |
| 04:17:37 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 04:17:53 | jmw | here was me thinking of buying a nomad.. eek |
| 04:18:18 | PsycoXul | personally, i knew rockbox was going to come around before it did |
| 04:18:22 | fragglet | hmm |
| 04:18:29 | jmw | such a visionary |
| 04:18:33 | PsycoXul | i asked for an archos for xmas |
| 04:18:33 | fragglet | does the dsp support mpeg layer 2 |
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| 04:18:57 | PsycoXul | and a few weeks later i found info on the disassembly of the archos firmware |
| 04:19:04 | PsycoXul | and the scramble/descramble tools |
| 04:19:17 | jmw | yeah that would have sparked the whole thing |
| 04:19:25 | PsycoXul | that was the start of rockbox |
| 04:19:25 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:19:35 | jmw | can't believe they went to all the trouble of scrambling it, and then use something as simple as rolling and xoring |
| 04:19:36 | PsycoXul | but when i first decided i want one |
| 04:19:59 | PsycoXul | i just looked at it and thought "hey this thing can do way more than just play mp3's.. there's Going to be an open source software for it" and lucky us there came to be hehe |
| 04:20:51 | jmw | yeah.. it's an interesting machine. the default firmware really isnt very good, it's a pity that GPL will stop archos from buying rockbox and distributing by default |
| 04:21:04 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:21:31 | PsycoXul | i also figured there'd be hardware mods |
| 04:21:49 | jmw | yeah. do you know anyone who's put in a 40Gb ? |
| 04:21:49 | PsycoXul | which i've only seen a few of so far, and only a couple actualy useful |
| 04:22:01 | PsycoXul | funmp3players.com has an archos forum |
| 04:22:19 | PsycoXul | i've seen people in there saying about having 40 and 60G's in their units |
| 04:22:38 | PsycoXul | that place even sells pre-upgraded ones |
| 04:22:38 | jmw | 60Gs. now that's something. where would you GET that much music |
| 04:22:38 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:22:51 | PsycoXul | i know people with >120G of mp3's |
| 04:23:02 | jmw | bet those aren't ripped CDs |
| 04:23:07 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:23:18 | PsycoXul | yeah, they just like download every one they find |
| 04:23:28 | jmw | you can end up with a lot of crap that way |
| 04:23:38 | PsycoXul | can? you Will |
| 04:23:41 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:23:57 | jmw | but sometimes you gotta listen to crap to appreciate the ones you actually like |
| 04:24:07 | jmw | the archos is good for that at least |
| 04:24:11 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 04:24:12 | jmw | but then again so is the radio |
| 04:24:18 | PsycoXul | one time i downloaded a britany spears song |
| 04:24:23 | jmw | hehh |
| 04:24:23 | PsycoXul | and listened to it over and over in a fit of madness |
| 04:24:34 | PsycoXul | and then rm'd it |
| 04:24:35 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:24:37 | jmw | were you looking at her poster at the same time |
| 04:24:43 | jmw | you have to do that for effect |
| 04:24:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:24:50 | PsycoXul | nah |
| 04:24:54 | PsycoXul | it was interesting though |
| 04:25:06 | PsycoXul | it was all effects |
| 04:25:34 | jmw | i really want inter-track resume so i can rip some DVDs and listen to em |
| 04:25:43 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 04:25:49 | jmw | got office space on there already, in chunks. kinda sucks though. |
| 04:26:00 | PsycoXul | i want in-track bookmarking |
| 04:26:07 | jmw | that's an idea |
| 04:26:28 | PsycoXul | and also an arbitrary time skip |
| 04:26:31 | jmw | wonder how many features they could put into rockbox before they run out of ram to load it into |
| 04:26:38 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:26:46 | PsycoXul | well the biggest firmware file that'll load is ~200K |
| 04:26:52 | jmw | time skip for what |
| 04:27:07 | jmw | ATS sounds like a good marketing acronym too |
| 04:27:20 | PsycoXul | well say you got a 3 hour mp3 and you want to go 1 hour and 20 minutes into it |
| 04:27:33 | PsycoXul | without having bookmarked that possition |
| 04:27:48 | jmw | 200k... i wonder if it'll support paging to go beyond that. like, loading bits of the code from disk.. overwriting ram each time.. putting back the pages to disk when they're not used. that could get us over that limit |
| 04:28:03 | PsycoXul | yeah i was thinking about things like that |
| 04:28:06 | jmw | ah i see.. so a 'go to' function type thing. |
| 04:28:24 | PsycoXul | with the ROLO patch functionality |
| 04:28:31 | PsycoXul | you can load seperate firmware's on-the-fly |
| 04:28:38 | jmw | yeah. does it work? |
| 04:28:43 | PsycoXul | and that's good for games and mini apps and such |
| 04:28:50 | PsycoXul | i haven't tried it yet |
| 04:28:59 | jmw | yeah. contact/address manager would be a nice addition |
| 04:29:06 | PsycoXul | it works on players but not on recorders from what i've heard last |
| 04:29:18 | jmw | damnit |
| 04:29:30 | jmw | we paid more too :P |
| 04:29:41 | PsycoXul | the guy who wrote it just doesn't have a recorder [yet] |
| 04:29:52 | PsycoXul | so he couldn't test it on it |
| 04:29:57 | PsycoXul | it'll work eventualy |
| 04:30:04 | jmw | i guess that's the drawback of open source... no $$$$ ;) |
| 04:30:05 | PsycoXul | i'm hoping to see it go into cvs soon |
| 04:31:01 | jmw | so are you on the mailing list? |
| 04:31:19 | PsycoXul | and i'm not sure exactly what causes the 200K limitation either.. it could be circumvented entirely in some ways possibly |
| 04:31:45 | PsycoXul | it may be just another arbitrary value set in the rom firmware heh |
| 04:32:14 | PsycoXul | but then it could be a hardware thing too, i dunno |
| 04:32:16 | PsycoXul | jmw: yeah |
| 04:32:24 | jmw | could be. there's a ram buffer for storing bits of MP3s... i bet some of it is reserved for running code |
| 04:32:34 | PsycoXul | there's 2MB of ram |
| 04:32:42 | PsycoXul | afaik the firmware gets loaded into a section of it |
| 04:32:47 | PsycoXul | and other sections of it are used for stack |
| 04:32:52 | PsycoXul | or something like that |
| 04:32:56 | PsycoXul | and then the rest of it for data |
| 04:32:58 | jmw | but the more you use for code, the less you have for caching mp3s.. so more disk access... more battery consumption |
| 04:33:18 | jmw | better to have that ROLO thing.. paging |
| 04:33:37 | PsycoXul | well |
| 04:33:47 | PsycoXul | my last built archos.mod's only 56K |
| 04:34:01 | PsycoXul | and its a more or less fully functioning mp3 player at that size |
| 04:34:01 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:34:15 | jmw | yeah that's true. |
| 04:34:20 | PsycoXul | so i doubt we'll run into the 200K limitation any time soon |
| 04:34:37 | jmw | imagine what it'll be like when it is 200k... |
| 04:34:43 | jmw | think i'd be satisfied by then |
| 04:34:47 | PsycoXul | with the mp3 player fitting in 50K... |
| 04:34:52 | fragglet | hey it does |
| 04:34:52 | jmw | right |
| 04:34:58 | fragglet | it plays mp2s |
| 04:35:01 | PsycoXul | 150K of extra features is awefully bloated :p |
| 04:35:06 | jmw | fragg: mpeg layer 2s? |
| 04:35:10 | fragglet | yep |
| 04:35:16 | fragglet | not really very surprising i suppose |
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| 04:35:22 | fragglet | but interesting to know |
| 04:35:26 | jmw | yeah.. layer 1s are big |
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| 04:36:23 | PsycoXul | but yeah i want plugins |
| 04:36:55 | jmw | i want it to be able to play MPEGs (DVD) as black and white low-resolution on the LCD and play the audio so i can watch DVDs on the archos. |
| 04:37:01 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:37:12 | jmw | that'll be worth a laugh |
| 04:37:17 | PsycoXul | yeah well 12mhz can't really do much |
| 04:37:26 | jmw | don't be a pessimist |
| 04:37:27 | fragglet | heh |
| 04:37:34 | fragglet | one frame every few seconds |
| 04:37:50 | PsycoXul | as i understand it, it's pretty loaded down just sending data to the decoder |
| 04:37:55 | jmw | that's all you need if you're watching the power puff girls |
| 04:38:14 | jmw | anyone overclocked it? |
| 04:38:20 | jmw | to.. perhaps.. 1.7GHz ? |
| 04:38:24 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 04:38:40 | jmw | it could double up as a stove top ;) |
| 04:38:45 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 04:39:38 | PsycoXul | i'm still waiting for someone to finish up the text viewer code |
| 04:40:35 | jmw | why |
| 04:40:35 | PsycoXul | i've already got a nice little selection of books on there |
| 04:40:40 | jmw | oh.. |
| 04:40:44 | jmw | you'd really need resume for that |
| 04:40:48 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 04:41:00 | PsycoXul | and bookmarks :p |
| 04:41:10 | jmw | um yeah. |
| 04:41:16 | jmw | html viewer would be cool. |
| 04:41:20 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:41:32 | jmw | or you could write something that converts web pages to text and then dump em on there |
| 04:41:52 | jmw | then we'd need text to speech |
| 04:42:02 | jmw | coz i can't read |
| 04:42:11 | PsycoXul | how about a wireless network adapter that hooks into the 9600 baud serial port |
| 04:42:17 | PsycoXul | and a tcp/ip stack |
| 04:42:19 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 04:42:27 | jmw | yeah now you're talking ;) |
| 04:42:55 | jmw | but usb man. serial ports are for old people with no hair |
| 04:42:57 | PsycoXul | some people have actualy done some things already regarding an mp3-based tts system i think |
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| 04:43:12 | jmw | that might be useful if it had a KEYBOARD |
| 04:43:20 | fragglet | usb keyboard! |
| 04:43:24 | jmw | oh yeah |
| 04:43:31 | jmw | now that's an idea ;) |
| 04:43:51 | jmw | i think we'll easily hit that 200k limit soon ;) |
| 04:43:54 | PsycoXul | yeah it'd be nice if we could use the usb port, but it's wired straight to a usb-ide controller that's designed to work standalone, apparently |
| 04:44:00 | jmw | doh |
| 04:44:10 | jmw | there's your hardware mod right there. |
| 04:44:31 | PsycoXul | all we can do is detect if its plugged in, enable the controller, and get out of its way |
| 04:44:36 | jmw | i'd stick a fork into my archos if i could plug a network into it one day |
| 04:44:48 | fragglet | yeah |
| 04:45:04 | fragglet | what you really want is a network mod and a port of some popular p2p program |
| 04:45:18 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:45:41 | PsycoXul | yeah have the first mp3 player that can download mp3's for itself |
| 04:45:59 | jmw | and plugging one archos into another archos directly would be useful |
| 04:46:02 | fragglet | i wonder if it would be possible to raid several archoses using software raid |
| 04:46:09 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 04:46:19 | jmw | archos RAID.. interesting idea |
| 04:46:21 | fragglet | probably would actually |
| 04:47:07 | PsycoXul | honestly i'm sure there's some tricks and hacks that the developers haven't found/thought of yet |
| 04:47:36 | jmw | yeah. i love these little expandable gadgets.. brings me back to the days of C64s |
| 04:47:53 | jmw | punch cards... tin cans.. that kinda thing. |
| 04:50:08 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:50:43 | PsycoXul | i was too young to do much on the c64 |
| 04:50:51 | PsycoXul | except learn to type when i was 3 :p |
| 04:51:05 | jmw | other than drool on it? |
| 04:51:20 | jmw | how many words a minute |
| 04:51:40 | jmw | i can do 102.. but only with steroids |
| 04:51:44 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:52:13 | PsycoXul | i dunno |
| 04:52:31 | jmw | if you can count them yourself then it's probably below 20 |
| 04:52:36 | PsycoXul | i was just making the same symbols my parents made when they loaded programs, plus the ones printed on the disk, and made it load a game :p |
| 04:52:58 | jmw | load a game.. woo ;) |
| 04:53:47 | jmw | i used to live in the UK.. we had ZX80s.. little machine with 1K of RAM.. on a RAM-Pack, if you lightly touch the pack then it restarted the machine |
| 04:54:09 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:54:13 | jmw | i spent most of my time killing flies, to stop them landing on it at an inconvenient time |
| 04:54:24 | PsycoXul | haha |
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| 05:01:32 | jmw | hey gimme some nicks of some of the coders so i remember next time |
| 05:06:11 | adi|home | bagder |
| 05:06:13 | adi|home | linus |
| 05:06:15 | adi|home | edx |
| 05:06:16 | adi|home | me |
| 05:06:43 | jmw | me as in me or me as in you |
| 05:07:13 | jmw | was it a constant literal or a reference ;) |
| 05:10:25 | PsycoXul | zagor too |
| 05:10:33 | PsycoXul | hmm... |
| 05:10:36 | PsycoXul | −−enable-voodoo Use Voodoo Fried Chicken spell to compile Gtk−− (use this only when everything else fails) |
| 05:10:39 | PsycoXul | −−enable-extra-crispy Roast the chicken extra-crispy (see voodoo option) |
| 05:10:42 | PsycoXul | −−enable-vegetarian The chicken will be a Tofu chicken (see voodoo option) |
| 05:10:58 | adi|home | reference |
| 05:11:03 | * | adi|home <= him |
| 05:11:11 | jmw | gottit |
| 05:11:20 | jmw | psyco, are u ok |
| 05:11:29 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:11:39 | PsycoXul | those are ./configure options to gtkmm |
| 05:16:49 | PsycoXul | i guess i might as well go ahead and install alsa |
| 05:16:58 | jmw | mmm salsa |
| 05:17:05 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:18:07 | jmw | i just d/l gnush.. it's a bugger to set up if you ask me. |
| 05:18:29 | PsycoXul | yeah? i never tried it |
| 05:19:02 | jmw | well i wanted to build rockbox, ya know. thought i'd follow the instructions |
| 05:19:02 | PsycoXul | last time i tried cygwin it was on win98 and it just couldn't run *NIX software very well |
| 05:19:26 | PsycoXul | so i just stick with the real thing :p |
| 05:19:39 | jmw | the real thing is XP right. ;) |
| 05:19:50 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:19:52 | PsycoXul | nah i use linux |
| 05:20:14 | jmw | ah... yeah i heard someone uses that... i guess it was you |
| 05:20:24 | fragglet | pfft |
| 05:20:32 | PsycoXul | i think several people in here do |
| 05:20:40 | PsycoXul | i'm pretty sure the main developers do |
| 05:20:41 | * | jmw backs up |
| 05:20:42 | fragglet | i do |
| 05:20:50 | fragglet | i am |
| 05:20:57 | PsycoXul | hey it's an open source project |
| 05:20:59 | jmw | yeah they do. i was just trying to make my life easier and getting rockbox compiling in VC7 |
| 05:21:00 | PsycoXul | what do you expect? |
| 05:21:10 | fragglet | not that i'm a developer but never mind |
| 05:21:16 | PsycoXul | people who actualy pay for their compilers? :p |
| 05:21:31 | jmw | pay? get a grip |
| 05:22:12 | jmw | there's free free and there's "plain copied from the CD from work" free |
| 05:22:12 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:39:32 | PsycoXul | damn |
| 05:40:11 | jmw | what |
| 05:40:29 | PsycoXul | alsa and houdini have 2 bins of the same name :p |
| 05:40:50 | jmw | shame |
| 05:47:47 | jmw | oh well, time to do something else. laters |
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| 07:10:27 | Bonkers | anyone know about how hard it would be to hack the original recorder firmware to record the digital in stream rigth to the hard disk instaed of encoding to MP3 first? |
| 07:10:46 | Bonkers | or should that be relatively easy by patching the rockbox firmware? |
| 07:12:34 | PsycoXul | basically you can't do that |
| 07:13:09 | PsycoXul | but if somebody were to program the mp3 encoder/decoder DSP for PCM, then you could record PCM subject to the bandwidth limitations |
| 07:13:19 | Bonkers | hrm |
| 07:13:30 | Bonkers | so the line in and digital in are wired right to the hardware encoder? |
| 07:13:44 | PsycoXul | i think so |
| 07:14:01 | Bonkers | what bandwith limitations are you thinking of? hard drive speed? |
| 07:14:13 | Bonkers | or the bus that the processor reads from the mp3 encoder? |
| 07:15:10 | Bonkers | because the only other idea I had was just making a device to connect to the USB and writing the digital stream to the hard disk, that seems much tougher thogh |
| 07:16:07 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:16:20 | PsycoXul | yeah you'd need a usb master of some sort for that |
| 07:16:40 | PsycoXul | and i mean the bus |
| 07:17:05 | PsycoXul | on players i think it's like 1Mbit, i think its more on recorders but i don't remember for sure or how much |
| 07:17:20 | Bonkers | hrm, well would you think they have more than one bus? |
| 07:17:34 | Bonkers | because if not then it would be the same bus for the USB transfers which goes well over 1Mbit |
| 07:18:12 | Bonkers | but 44.1Khz audio should only be 44.1kb/s, or am I not multiplying by something? |
| 07:19:15 | PsycoXul | 44.1khz audio is 44100 samples/sec*16 bits/sample*2 channels |
| 07:20:07 | Bonkers | so that should be 172Kb/s |
| 07:20:12 | Bonkers | if I did that correctly |
| 07:20:25 | Bonkers | but I didn't |
| 07:20:29 | Bonkers | that's 172KB/s |
| 07:20:43 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 07:21:01 | PsycoXul | and 1Mbit is what 128KB? |
| 07:25:22 | PsycoXul | there's probably some docs on the website that says somewhere about these things, but i dunno |
| 07:25:29 | PsycoXul | but the biggest problem is programming the DSP |
| 07:25:47 | PsycoXul | none of us have the tools or knowledge to do it, afaik |
| 07:26:18 | Bonkers | hrm, well I'm browsing the datasheet right now |
| 07:26:43 | Bonkers | you have enough code written to enable the decoder, right? |
| 07:27:01 | PsycoXul | oh rockbox works right now as an mp3 player |
| 07:27:38 | PsycoXul | i've been using it on my player for a while now |
| 07:27:59 | Bonkers | ok, so we can talk to the chip |
| 07:28:17 | Bonkers | and I see a bit that says: audio data loop-through without encoding |
| 07:28:20 | Bonkers | that looks slightly promising |
| 07:28:56 | PsycoXul | well there's a lot of little things the various hardware components support that just aren't hooked into anything |
| 07:29:03 | PsycoXul | so don't get too excited about anything you see in the data sheets heh |
| 07:29:35 | Bonkers | heh |
| 07:29:46 | Bonkers | well I could always wire it myself ;) |
| 07:30:22 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 07:31:24 | Bonkers | that bit is mixed in with stuff like which input to use |
| 07:31:28 | Bonkers | so I assume that has to be accessable |
| 07:35:30 | Bonkers | what's the current status of the record code? is it completly not written? |
| 07:40:50 | PsycoXul | yeah there's no file writing code yet |
| 07:41:16 | PsycoXul | and the rest of the aspects of recording i dunno if there's anything started yet besides whats there for playback |
| 07:43:48 | Bonkers | hrm, maybe I could try my hand at hacking up some of this stuff |
| 07:44:45 | Bonkers | what's known about the hard drive interface? |
| 07:46:18 | PsycoXul | i dunno heh |
| 07:46:38 | Bonkers | time to go code spulunking |
| 07:57:51 | Bonkers | thanx for your help |
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| 08:44:01 | adi|home | hey zagor |
| 08:44:05 | Zagor | hi |
| 08:55:33 | * | Zagor has a hangover |
| 08:58:03 | adi|home | hehehe sorry |
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| 09:08:54 | adi|home | Zagor, you see the email about lcd.[ch] and wps.c? |
| 09:08:58 | adi|home | im fixing them now |
| 09:09:11 | Zagor | good |
| 09:09:49 | Zagor | settings.h too, probably |
| 09:13:03 | adi|home | k |
| 09:13:21 | adi|home | any other files that you know of/have seen while im at it? |
| 09:14:05 | adi|home | and who is this jheiner? |
| 09:14:31 | Zagor | Justin Heiner. We need to update the nick list. |
| 09:14:42 | adi|home | Alex has a good point about his loadable fonts issue... |
| 09:14:47 | adi|home | we have had him on hold a while |
| 09:15:25 | Zagor | yes. I'll be merging his work today or tomorrow |
| 09:15:30 | adi|home | nods |
| 09:18:25 | adi|home | settings.c looks fine |
| 09:18:44 | adi|home | oops.. .h |
| 09:18:45 | adi|home | fixing |
| 09:19:57 | * | adi|home wonders if its possible to check for CRLF on commits.. and running tr if needed. |
| 09:22:03 | Zagor | probably |
| 09:23:17 | adi|home | the website getting updated, and the emails getting sent out, how does that get managed? |
| 09:24:18 | Zagor | CVSROOT/loginfo handles that |
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| 09:35:28 | adi|home | when you get back.. can you tell me how i can get at the 'getbugs.pl'? |
| 09:35:32 | adi|home | i can't find it in cvs |
| 09:42:58 | Zagor|breakfast | added |
| 09:43:55 | adi|home | ty |
| 09:44:04 | adi|home | one more ? |
| 09:44:13 | adi|home | is there any way for me to co all thats in CVSROOT? |
| 09:44:25 | Zagor|breakfast | yup, just "cvs co CVSROOT" |
| 09:44:28 | adi|home | i keep trying the same way i pulled down all of firmware, but its no go.. |
| 09:44:30 | adi|home | k |
| 09:44:42 | | Nick Zagor|breakfast is now known as Zagor|cleaning (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 09:45:02 | adi|home | grrrrr.. i get no cvsroot specified! |
| 09:45:47 | Zagor|cleaning | cvs -d:ext:adiamas@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox co CVSROOT |
| 09:46:13 | adi|home | aha.. i see what i was doing wrong |
| 09:46:19 | adi|home | i figured /cvsroot |
| 09:46:21 | adi|home | ty |
| 09:46:27 | * | adi|home misses sccs |
| 09:46:28 | adi|home | :) |
| 09:57:59 | adi|home | I made a change to getbugs.pl |
| 09:58:08 | adi|home | dunno if you need to move it anywhere to have it update or not |
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| 10:08:03 | Zagor | what was the change? i don't see any difference |
| 10:09:05 | adi|home | in the cvs commits |
| 10:09:11 | adi|home | you didn't close a td properly |
| 10:09:15 | adi|home | you had </t> |
| 10:09:17 | Zagor | ah |
| 10:09:20 | adi|home | i fixed: </td>? |
| 10:09:29 | adi|home | it was throwing off the cols. |
| 10:09:54 | adi|home | also.. any idea why my name in the commits isn't lineing up with everyone else? |
| 10:09:59 | adi|home | seems im off by a space |
| 10:10:03 | * | adi|home is just being picky |
| 10:10:46 | Zagor | off by a pixel, more like it on my screen |
| 10:11:05 | Zagor | Moz-1.0.0 here |
| 10:12:42 | adi|home | hmm odd.. |
| 10:12:47 | adi|home | seems a full char on mine.. |
| 10:12:50 | adi|home | netscape 4.x |
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| 10:13:46 | adi|home | http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/text.png |
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| 10:19:16 | Zagor | strange |
| 10:20:30 | Zagor | a rendering bug, I'd say |
| 10:20:33 | * | adi|home nods |
| 10:20:42 | * | adi|home shrugs |
| 10:20:45 | adi|home | notghing to major |
| 10:21:12 | adi|home | if i send you a new copy of debug.c could you compile it for me and send me a copy of the recorder firmware? |
| 10:21:16 | * | adi|home don't have a crosscompiler |
| 10:21:36 | Zagor | sure |
| 10:22:32 | adi|home | JESUS friggin christ! |
| 10:22:38 | adi|home | wtf is wrong with my recorder |
| 10:22:45 | * | adi|home tosses his recorder out the window |
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| 10:25:15 | adi|home | zagor you want email or dcc? |
| 10:25:53 | Zagor | try dcc first. i'm not sure it works through my router |
| 10:25:58 | adi|home | k |
| 10:26:31 | adi|home | offering |
| 10:26:36 | adi|home | woohoo |
| 10:26:41 | adi|home | okay.. that goes in the app/ |
| 10:26:54 | adi|home | basically its to fix the left key thing where it can be fixed |
| 10:27:03 | adi|home | and a small hack on another style issue |
| 10:27:06 | Zagor | hum, I wonder where on my disk that wound up... :-) |
| 10:27:13 | adi|home | lol |
| 10:27:21 | Zagor | ah, found it |
| 10:27:28 | adi|home | was gonna say |
| 10:27:31 | adi|home | should be under the irc client |
| 10:27:54 | adi|home | do we still ahve docs on the web for the solder point fix for the archos? |
| 10:28:07 | Zagor | it doesn't compile |
| 10:28:15 | Zagor | /home/bjst/src/rockbox/recorder/debug_menu.o(.text+0x2ac): undefined reference to `GET_BATTERY_VOLTAGE' |
| 10:28:27 | Zagor | debug_menu.c:165: warning: implicit declaration of function `GET_BATTERY_VOLTAGE' |
| 10:28:43 | adi|home | okay.. one more sec |
| 10:29:27 | adi|home | try that one |
| 10:30:01 | Zagor | ok, works |
| 10:30:06 | adi|home | okay cool... |
| 10:30:17 | adi|home | either i can commit it or you can.. |
| 10:30:33 | adi|home | its not a major logic change |
| 10:31:11 | Zagor | ok, removing the loop |
| 10:31:20 | adi|home | hmm? |
| 10:31:33 | Zagor | oh, no. sorry |
| 10:33:32 | Zagor | i'll commit it |
| 10:34:09 | Lear | Anyone done any timings on using a "small" fliptable in mpeg.c (i.e., the byte-based one, rather than the word based big_fliptable)? I made a quick test and couldn't see any obvious difference... |
| 10:34:46 | adi|home | ty zagor |
| 10:34:56 | Zagor | Lear: linus has done tests. i presume he saw a difference since he chose the larger one. |
| 10:34:59 | adi|home | the only one that doens't 'exit; with left arrow is io/ports |
| 10:35:04 | adi|home | that code seemed to need it |
| 10:35:09 | Zagor | yup |
| 10:35:24 | Lear | zagor: but was that before or after bitswap moved to internal RAM? :) |
| 10:35:37 | Zagor | Lear: good point. that was before. |
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| 10:43:43 | Lear | Zagor: And maybe the fliptable would fit in internal RAM too? |
| 10:43:55 | Zagor | the small one, yes |
| 10:44:02 | Zagor | there's only 4K of internal ram |
| 10:44:43 | Lear | Yes, I did mean fliptable, not big_fliptable. :) |
| 10:44:49 | Zagor | I certainly wouldn't complain about saving 60K |
| 10:45:09 | Lear | Erh, 128 KB... |
| 10:45:23 | Zagor | ah. 124 i meant :) |
| 10:45:39 | Zagor | *doh* i'm an idiot |
| 10:45:55 | Zagor | 128k-256b i mean 8-] |
| 10:49:05 | Lear | Where would those other 128 k come from? |
| 10:49:29 | Zagor | 256 bytes, for the small table. |
| 10:49:46 | Zagor | never mind |
| 10:50:43 | Zagor | I have a very hard time understanding why Archos chose to put an USB1.1 chip in their new Multimedia |
| 10:51:33 | matp | so they can sell you a 2.0 chip in 6 months time :) |
| 10:51:36 | Lear | Sounds strange, yes. I mean, the 20 G Recorder uses USB 2.0, doesn't it? |
| 10:51:47 | adi|home | nod |
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| 10:59:28 | MeRWiN | I've gotta find a better editor |
| 10:59:29 | Zagor | hey linus |
| 10:59:34 | MeRWiN | Those CR/LF problems are mine, huh? |
| 10:59:36 | Zagor | MeRWiN: emacs for life |
| 10:59:49 | Zagor | MeRWiN: you're justin? |
| 10:59:59 | MeRWiN | Zagor : i'm using windows, so I would prefer to find a windows client that writes unix |
| 10:59:59 | * | Zagor looks sheepish |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:03 | MeRWiN | Zagor: yup |
| 11:00:04 | MeRWiN | i'm justin |
| 11:00:12 | Zagor | ntemacs rocks |
| 11:00:15 | Zagor | seriously |
| 11:00:25 | LinusN | i use emacs wherever i go |
| 11:00:26 | MeRWiN | I'm really a pico/nano fan |
| 11:00:31 | MeRWiN | Zagor : why sheepish?\ |
| 11:00:55 | Zagor | since I'm having a hard time connecting the IRC nicks to sourceforge usernames |
| 11:01:02 | Zagor | i need to write a reference |
| 11:01:12 | MeRWiN | zag: there is a reference... needs to be updated though |
| 11:01:15 | Zagor | or, rather, just update the irc nick reference |
| 11:01:16 | MeRWiN | it's on the webpage the irc link |
| 11:01:18 | Zagor | yup |
| 11:01:21 | LinusN | Zagor: have you approved me on the announce list yet? |
| 11:01:39 | MeRWiN | I still don't know most people's nicks/real names |
| 11:01:44 | Zagor | LinusN: huh? haven't seen an approve mail |
| 11:01:51 | Zagor | LinusN: i'll add you manually |
| 11:01:52 | MeRWiN | linus is the easy one :) |
| 11:02:09 | MeRWiN | Sorry about that CRLF. heh. |
| 11:02:14 | LinusN | Bagder saw my sibscribe mail in the log |
| 11:02:30 | LinusN | i also received a "waiting for approval" mail |
| 11:02:47 | Zagor | odd. *looking* |
| 11:03:27 | LinusN | i was subscribing with a different From: address, that might be why i wasn't automatically approved |
| 11:03:43 | LinusN | but you should have received a notice about that |
| 11:03:47 | MeRWiN | OK, bedtime for me... night all |
| 11:03:52 | LinusN | nigh MeRWiN |
| 11:03:55 | Zagor | night |
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| 11:08:39 | LinusN | time to battle the Player distortion again... :-( |
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| 11:13:53 | LinusN | Zagor: can i also administrate the mailing lists? |
| 11:14:19 | Zagor | that's done manually, so yes |
| 11:14:29 | Zagor | or, you mean the approvals? |
| 11:14:31 | LinusN | file access rights? |
| 11:17:05 | Zagor | <Lear> Anyone done any timings on using a "small" fliptable in mpeg.c (i.e., the byte-based one, rather than the word based big_fliptable)? I made a quick test and couldn't see any obvious difference... |
| 11:18:11 | LinusN | Lear: how did you measure? |
| 11:19:11 | LinusN | or was it Zagor, i can't see (mirc screwed up the display) |
| 11:19:17 | Zagor | it was lear |
| 11:19:48 | Zagor | he said it didn't make much difference, and that maybe the move to iram means we can go back to the 256-byte table with no loss of speed |
| 11:19:50 | Lear | Linus: Didn't really. Just compile with big and small table and looked if I could see any difference (in load time) when starting a new track... |
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| 11:21:51 | LinusN | Lear: it's not all that visible on load times, but it has an impact on the watermark margin |
| 11:22:12 | LinusN | the LED shows only the ATA read, not the bitswap |
| 11:23:04 | * | Zagor takes a deep breath and dives into Alex' font patch |
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| 11:26:28 | LinusN | Lear: The word-bitswap was crucial when the bitswap code was in DRAM |
| 11:29:44 | Zagor | it might be interesting to do another test, with both the bitswap code and the 256-table in iram? |
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| 11:31:51 | Lear | LinusN: He, it was a VERY quick test I made... :) |
| 11:32:19 | Lear | LinusN: Listened a bit more now. Frequent (and fairly long) dropouts. |
| 11:35:03 | LinusN | Zagor: still, the 256 byte swap will take approx. twice the time |
| 11:35:39 | Zagor | ok |
| 11:36:03 | WetFlax | sweet |
| 11:36:14 | WetFlax | i busted mine last night by putting the wrong version on it |
| 11:36:22 | WetFlax | and the og archos mod wouldn't work either |
| 11:36:31 | WetFlax | and today i got the good one and all is well |
| 11:36:36 | WetFlax | awesome guys |
| 11:36:58 | Zagor | i'm just thinking, if we save 128K maybe with changed watermark we'll still have longer "down time" |
| 11:37:19 | Zagor | WetFlax: nice |
| 11:38:26 | LinusN | gott go now |
| 11:38:29 | LinusN | bye |
| 11:38:29 | Zagor | bye |
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| 12:39:30 | matp | anyone know anything about the menu code? |
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| 14:12:21 | matp | Hmm, I thought enums were ints in C ? |
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| 14:12:30 | dwihno | Dunno |
| 14:13:45 | matp | would anyone be interested in a patch to allow you to define your own wps screen ? |
| 14:13:55 | dwihno | In what way? |
| 14:14:04 | dwihno | Configuring the entire WPS would be neat |
| 14:14:08 | dwihno | Such as positioning the icons etc. |
| 14:14:30 | matp | by choosing which line which tag gets displayed on |
| 14:14:48 | matp | im thinking id3 initially |
| 14:15:45 | dwihno | it's probably not a thing I would use |
| 14:18:03 | matp | i've got some early code here which allows you to define, line by line, which tags you want to be displayed, or a blank line |
| 14:18:57 | matp | so, i can turn off say bit rate and filename, and just display artist,trackname and title |
| 14:19:36 | dwihno | Some people will upriciate it. |
| 14:19:57 | matp | anyway, i'm getting a warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type when a pass a enum pointer to a function expecting a int* |
| 14:20:10 | PsycoXul | you making it support player's too right? :p |
| 14:20:47 | PsycoXul | player users will really appreciate being able to tailor their WPS... |
| 14:20:57 | matp | I'm doing it for me and my recorder :) |
| 14:21:15 | matp | How many lines does the player have? |
| 14:21:18 | PsycoXul | 2 |
| 14:21:31 | matp | And the info is scrolled? |
| 14:21:45 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 14:22:26 | matp | all one 1 line, or 2 ? well, it would be fairly easy to define which tags get scrolled, and which don't |
| 14:23:04 | PsycoXul | it's 2 11char lines |
| 14:23:12 | PsycoXul | and yeah it would be cool if sections could scroll |
| 14:23:52 | PsycoXul | like to have on one line a time-elapsed display that stays one place and to have the track name or something scrolling next to it on the same line |
| 14:23:58 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 14:24:13 | PsycoXul | but i dunno if there's any code for that kinda scrolling |
| 14:24:17 | PsycoXul | yet |
| 14:24:26 | matp | I just meant which tags were added to the line which gets scrolled |
| 14:24:53 | matp | But yours sounds like a nice feature |
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| 16:53:24 | freshmaker|coffe | Hej, is jheiner here? |
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| 17:38:24 | lohap | hi all i was just wondering if i wanted to create icons for the rockbox what format do u want them in |
| 17:48:01 | dwihno | Zagor|away: Please notify me when you return. |
| 17:53:19 | lohap | ill take that as u have to draw them with c or no one knows |
| 17:53:55 | dwihno | They are stored as binary data |
| 17:53:59 | dwihno | (no shit) ;) |
| 17:54:02 | dwihno | LSB first |
| 17:55:31 | freshmaker | Anyone got the scroll muting feature (jheiner's patch) to work as advertised? |
| 17:56:19 | lohap | is there anyway that i can like draw them and then get a program to create a binary data file |
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| 18:00:25 | dwihno | lohap: hmm... I create all my graphics in a C program which outputs includable code :-) |
| 18:02:08 | lohap | well im a graphics designer so i can create the images but i know no c code give we a jpg or gif or bmp and im sorted lol |
| 18:02:29 | dwihno | :-) |
| 18:03:01 | lohap | btw whats the name of that app |
| 18:03:09 | dwihno | Erhm |
| 18:03:15 | dwihno | I just make my graphics in a C program |
| 18:03:16 | dwihno | Like this |
| 18:03:23 | dwihno | "###### ##", |
| 18:03:27 | dwihno | "#### ####" |
| 18:03:45 | dwihno | then I run it and it generates includable .h data with the data in the corresponding format |
| 18:03:57 | dwihno | So it's not really an application |
| 18:04:08 | dwihno | Just a hack to make stuff faster :) |
| 18:04:37 | dwihno | but I would not be surprised if someone already has written such a utility to convert bmp's or such. |
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| 18:08:51 | dwihno | LinusN! :D |
| 18:08:52 | dwihno | *wave* |
| 18:10:14 | dwihno | Do you know anything about far Zagor has progressed with adding the font loading code? |
| 18:11:04 | dwihno | I'd like to extend the font charset in the default font and I was thinking if it is bound to be moved to an external font file |
| 18:14:46 | LinusN | i don't know how far he has come |
| 18:15:04 | LinusN | what do you want to add in the detault font? |
| 18:15:21 | dwihno | Extended chars |
| 18:15:25 | dwihno | such as umlauts etc. |
| 18:15:38 | dwihno | thus removing a lot of ?'s |
| 18:15:56 | LinusN | we would like those in the default font regardless of the font loader |
| 18:17:29 | dwihno | mkay |
| 18:17:31 | dwihno | how much is missing? |
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| 18:17:39 | freshmaker | the default font has only 128 glyphs, hasn't it? |
| 18:17:44 | dwihno | Or does it only cover a-z, A-Z, 0-9? |
| 18:17:54 | LinusN | dwihno: i thought you knew, since you wanted to add new ones :-)( |
| 18:17:58 | dwihno | Heh |
| 18:18:06 | dwihno | I know naaaaathing :) |
| 18:18:31 | LinusN | i don't even know where they cone from |
| 18:18:33 | LinusN | come |
| 18:19:16 | dwihno | outer space! :O |
| 18:19:43 | dwihno | So THAT's what SETI is all about! |
| 18:20:30 | dwihno | it's the 6x8 font which is used for the dirs, right? |
| 18:21:03 | LinusN | i think sy, yes |
| 18:21:05 | LinusN | so |
| 18:21:23 | LinusN | (gawd, what has happened with my fingers lately?) |
| 18:22:16 | dwihno | you have been drinking too much coffee, causing incontrollable spasms becuase of the addiction |
| 18:25:46 | lohap | just so i can search what is the exact name of the image format |
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| 18:26:50 | freshmaker | dwihno: What's you current dosis? mine's currently 6-8 caffee latte per day. |
| 18:27:37 | dwihno | freshmaker: About 2 per week perhaps. I drink a (large) cup of tea every day |
| 18:27:38 | freshmaker | Seems like the propfont is almost full iso5589-15 aka latin-9 |
| 18:27:54 | dwihno | freshmaker: thank you very much - I've spent a lot of time making it neato |
| 18:28:05 | dwihno | I think it's full |
| 18:28:24 | dwihno | It still needs some tweaking, but at least, it works(tm) |
| 18:28:32 | freshmaker | and 0x7b - 0x9f ? |
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| 18:28:44 | dwihno | iso8859-1 |
| 18:29:33 | freshmaker | cute EURO glyph :-) |
| 18:30:11 | dwihno | I haven't seen it for a while, is it gay? :) |
| 18:30:25 | freshmaker | it's ok for it's size |
| 18:31:37 | LinusN | gotta go, bye! |
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| 18:58:43 | Zagor | dwihno: back |
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| 19:02:19 | Zagor | lohap: don't worry too much about the format. submit a png if that's easier for you. we can convert it into the right format. |
| 19:02:58 | Zagor | and about the fonts: The default font is destined for the trash bin. We'll use proportional fonts all'round. |
| 19:03:37 | Zagor | or, rather, all fonts will be in the same format. of course you'll be able to import a fixed-width font if that turns you on :-) |
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| 19:03:58 | mistaRx | anybody here?! |
| 19:04:03 | Zagor | yep |
| 19:04:30 | mistaRx | First of: I love rockbox!!! |
| 19:04:58 | mistaRx | but, the contrast is much "fussier" than the stock firmware on my player6k |
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| 19:05:30 | Zagor | ok. we have no contrast setting yet, unfortunately. please add a feature request for it so we don't forget |
| 19:05:57 | mistaRx | ok |
| 19:06:11 | jmw | hi all. anyone here built rockbox using VC7... when i run the sim it only displays 2 lines in the LCD display |
| 19:06:17 | Synthe | is there supposed to be a custom charging screen when you plug in the AC adapter on a recorder? |
| 19:06:26 | Synthe | mine just looks like the stock firmware charging screen |
| 19:06:27 | Zagor | jwm: you're running the player sim, then |
| 19:07:03 | jmw | hold on let me check.. i swear i compiled both |
| 19:07:39 | jmw | it comes up with the recorder UI.. just 2 lines in the lcd. is there a #def not working? |
| 19:07:57 | Zagor | odd. you get the status bar? |
| 19:08:08 | jmw | no.. just blank below the 2nd line |
| 19:08:37 | Zagor | do you get the bitmap boot logo? |
| 19:08:37 | jmw | i'm using VS.Net tho.. maybe it was only tried with vc6.. coz that's what the makefile is named as |
| 19:08:48 | jmw | lemme check.. it's pretty fast |
| 19:09:43 | jmw | no.. just the text.. but the sim LOOKS like the recorder (has recorder 20 at the top) |
| 19:10:05 | jmw | where's the lcd type defined? i haven't changed anything at all, just using sh configure |
| 19:10:10 | Zagor | ah, that's just because it's the only bitmap we have :-) |
| 19:10:29 | Zagor | I don't much about VC. In X11 and target, we change the Makefile |
| 19:10:30 | jmw | oh.. heh. so it might not be the recorder |
| 19:10:44 | jmw | doesn't sh configure do all that for you? |
| 19:10:47 | Zagor | yes |
| 19:10:50 | jmw | hmm |
| 19:11:08 | Zagor | but i don't think the vc build uses that info |
| 19:11:17 | jmw | where's the target defined |
| 19:11:45 | Zagor | everything's in the Makefile |
| 19:12:01 | jmw | do you use the makefile in the tools folder? |
| 19:12:04 | jmw | or in the uisim one |
| 19:12:24 | Zagor | neither. we create a makefile by calling ../tools/configure in an empty folder |
| 19:13:10 | jmw | oo i see |
| 19:13:46 | jmw | hmm the makefile it generates doesn't work with nmake though. pretty silly considering i selected win32 |
| 19:13:58 | jmw | it doesn't like : VERSION=$(shell date +%y%m%d-%H%M) |
| 19:14:56 | jmw | but i just replace that with VERSION=1 and it still don't work :( |
| 19:15:02 | mistaRx | Why isn't the soundquality in rockbox as good as the stock firmware?! |
| 19:15:41 | Zagor | isn't it? i get better quality. |
| 19:15:44 | Zagor | what model do you have? |
| 19:15:49 | mistaRx | I can have higher volume and more bass with less distortion on my player6k |
| 19:16:02 | mistaRx | no distortion I mean! |
| 19:16:05 | Zagor | ok, yes there's an issue with the players. Linus is working on it. |
| 19:16:30 | mistaRx | GREAT!! |
| 19:20:56 | mistaRx | how about remote support?! |
| 19:23:19 | jmw | woohoo! it works! just had to add TARGET to the nmake cmd line! |
| 19:23:43 | Zagor | jmw: nice |
| 19:23:57 | Zagor | mistaRx: coming soon. we have a patch written for it. |
| 19:24:56 | mistaRx | ok have u tried it, is it reliable!(unlike with the stock firmware) |
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| 19:27:09 | mistaRx | gotta go, bye |
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| 19:27:26 | tension | is anyone working on resume functions for the recorder? (stored in rtc) |
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| 19:28:09 | Zagor | we can't store resume info in rtc, there's not room for it |
| 19:28:20 | jmw | really? hmmm |
| 19:28:30 | jmw | not even a series of folder offsets numerically? |
| 19:28:41 | jmw | like 1/4/5 |
| 19:28:52 | Zagor | that could work. but it's not a very nice solution, imho |
| 19:29:05 | jmw | well it won't work if you plug in the usb and move files around between resumes |
| 19:29:14 | jmw | but it's better than not having any resume at all imho |
| 19:29:42 | Zagor | we'll enable disk writing soon, so that problem will go away |
| 19:29:53 | jmw | how is the testing going |
| 19:30:41 | Zagor | i'm working on the font code atm |
| 19:31:05 | jmw | isn't disk writing more important? |
| 19:31:53 | Zagor | i don't know. they're about equally important, i'd say |
| 19:32:49 | jmw | i was thinking of implementing file searching... but i think it would require the index to be built on the desktop first.. i want something like winamp searching |
| 19:33:06 | Zagor | yes, definitely build the index on the pc |
| 19:33:15 | jmw | is anyone else doing anything like that? |
| 19:33:22 | Zagor | not that I know |
| 19:33:39 | jmw | hmmm.. |
| 19:33:45 | Zagor | write the indexer in a system-independent language, like perl or pure C |
| 19:33:55 | Zagor | no gui |
| 19:34:02 | jmw | yeah i agree. |
| 19:34:50 | jmw | could have the index builder on the archos.. but it would take a while to run. |
| 19:35:03 | jmw | and would require file writing |
| 19:35:07 | Zagor | yeah, too much time (and battery) to be useful |
| 19:35:32 | Zagor | also, the harddisk typically doesn't change much except when you have it connected via usb, so it makes more sense to run it on the pc |
| 19:36:04 | jmw | yeah it does.. unless you forget to.. the prob is you won't have any idea whether the index is up to date |
| 19:36:23 | jmw | it'll become a matter of not trusting it, and when it can't find what you want, you'll end up looking for it manually |
| 19:36:30 | jmw | but i guess it's better than having no search at all |
| 19:36:34 | Zagor | exactly |
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| 19:36:43 | jmw | do we have any date/time stamp for when the last connect was? |
| 19:37:28 | Zagor | no |
| 19:37:36 | Zagor | could be useful, though |
| 19:37:48 | jmw | but it all happens independent of the firmware right |
| 19:37:57 | jmw | so we wouldn't be able to do it? |
| 19:38:11 | Zagor | sure we can. we know when the usb is connected |
| 19:38:26 | Zagor | unless it's connected at boot, in which case rockbox never starts |
| 19:38:30 | jmw | cool. something to add to the info settings page when file writing is done |
| 19:38:40 | Zagor | yes |
| 19:39:16 | jmw | hmmm.. for me i normally do it at boot. oh well. |
| 19:39:51 | Lear | Hm.. Just saw that there are NiMH batteries with 2600 mAh (don't know if they're AA though). Anyone tried such batteries? |
| 19:39:54 | Zagor | i used to do it too, but now I always let rockbox boot first. saves me having to reboot when unplugging. |
| 19:40:01 | Zagor | Lear: where? |
| 19:40:06 | jmw | zago, that's true. |
| 19:40:20 | Lear | http://www.clasohlson.se/ |
| 19:41:54 | Zagor | the 2000+ ones aren't AA size |
| 19:41:59 | jmw | zagor.. is the next version gonna have write enabled? and any rough idea of when it'll be out |
| 19:42:24 | Zagor | hard to say. but I think it will. |
| 19:42:51 | Lear | Ah, so the HR thing referred to the size. Sounded a bit too good to be true. :) |
| 19:42:59 | jmw | za.. but no idea of an ETA |
| 19:43:24 | Zagor | no. we aren't that formal. when we've added "enough" new stuff and ironed out most bugs, we release. |
| 19:44:07 | jmw | i gotta say so far i'm very impressed with what's in there |
| 19:44:09 | Zagor | 1.2 took too long |
| 19:44:13 | Zagor | thanks |
| 19:44:29 | jmw | just when i thought my archos had hit a dead end |
| 19:44:54 | Lear | Btw, deferred saving of prefs (for the player at least) would be nice, since as it is now, volume changes in the WPS aren't saved unless you go to the menu. |
| 19:45:34 | Zagor | Lear: ah, right. that could be considered a bug, even |
| 19:45:34 | Lear | Another thing: The simulators at the web page seem to require VC runtime V7. I only have V6... |
| 19:46:48 | Zagor | most of the core team runs linux, so the win32 sim isn't as actively maintained |
| 19:46:59 | Zagor | edx is the win32 sim guy |
| 19:47:27 | jmw | i'll send it. |
| 19:47:53 | jmw | lear.. no dcc? |
| 19:48:46 | Lear | jmw: nope, using chatzilla. And I can build a simulator myself, so I'll manage. :) Thanks anyway. |
| 19:48:52 | jmw | ok |
| 19:49:08 | Lear | Just thought I should mention the "problem". |
| 19:49:30 | jmw | yeah it's a bit screwed.. the makefiles it generates are vc6 too. |
| 19:51:08 | freshmaker | eh, is it possible not to shut off digital out inbetween songs? |
| 19:51:11 | jmw | i just got the sim working.. now trying to use gnush to compile it to my recorder |
| 19:53:29 | jmw | it's not easy getting it working on win32 |
| 19:53:57 | Zagor | freshmaker: sounds possible, but I don't know |
| 19:56:43 | jmw | zagor: i'm getting undefined reference to memcmp. where's that defined |
| 19:56:59 | Zagor | are you using gcc 3.1? |
| 19:57:20 | Hadaka | hehe, sounds familiar :) |
| 19:58:05 | jmw | dunno.. gnush v0203.. lemme check |
| 19:58:23 | Zagor | yup, that's gcc3.1 |
| 19:58:25 | jmw | yeah.. says it's based on gcc 3.1 |
| 19:58:30 | jmw | so what's the deal |
| 19:58:50 | Zagor | we don't use memcmp, we use strncmp. but gcc3.1 converts all strncmp into memcmp without telling anyone |
| 19:58:58 | Zagor | so, basically, right now we can't compile with 3.1 |
| 19:59:03 | Zagor | 3.0.x works |
| 19:59:07 | jmw | hmmm |
| 19:59:12 | jmw | great ;) |
| 19:59:21 | Zagor | quite annoying, i'd say |
| 19:59:31 | jmw | isn't there a switch for back compat? |
| 19:59:54 | Zagor | not that I've found |
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| 20:00:09 | jmw | or maybe i should just downgrade gnush.. any idea which ver of gnush has gcc 3.0.x? |
| 20:00:19 | Zagor | the previous |
| 20:00:30 | jmw | hope it's still avail to d/l |
| 20:00:34 | jmw | thanks for that |
| 20:09:35 | Zagor | adi|home: new FAQ: "how come when i use rockbox my jukebox's red "error" light turns on a lot but none with regular firmware?" |
| 20:09:42 | Synthe | hiya all, I have a question that is somewhat on-topic. Anyone know of any DOS USB drivers that would allow me to see the Recorder when booting with a DOS floppy? I figure that since there is a linux driver, it may be possible |
| 20:09:44 | Zagor | been asked twice already |
| 20:09:59 | Zagor | Synthe: never heard of usb in dos |
| 20:10:12 | Synthe | doing search on google, there are other removable HD's that have DOS drivers |
| 20:10:19 | Synthe | but they're device specific |
| 20:10:25 | Synthe | maybe chipset specific |
| 20:11:10 | Zagor | searching for "msdos usb driver" turns out nada. i don't think it exists. |
| 20:11:41 | Synthe | I didn't think so either :( I was hoping I could use this as a HD to save a ghost image of my Win.Net server system to |
| 20:11:58 | Zagor | so why don't you use our win.net server then? |
| 20:12:31 | Zagor | found something: http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/forum/11090.html |
| 20:12:45 | Synthe | I need another local partition or HD to back it up to, and the ghost program only works in DOS mode |
| 20:13:03 | Zagor | there must be plenty of windows ghost programs? |
| 20:14:02 | Synthe | not when you're doing a low-level image of an entire partition |
| 20:14:13 | Zagor | strange |
| 20:14:17 | Synthe | especially under the tight security of win.net |
| 20:14:46 | Zagor | well a ghost program would of course run as administrator. |
| 20:14:58 | Zagor | but windows is and always will be a mystery... |
| 20:16:31 | Zagor | have you tried DUSE? http://www.pocketec.net/downloads.taf?f=pockey1DosDrivers&_UserReference=7F00000146B44DDFC430C77A90F23D555811 |
| 20:17:46 | Zagor | it might be that the drive it's written for uses a standard chip, so it will then work for the Recorder 20 too. |
| 20:17:54 | Zagor | it will definitely not work with any other model |
| 20:21:31 | jmw | i need a version of sh for windows.. any ideas |
| 20:21:54 | Zagor | gnush |
| 20:22:00 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/ |
| 20:22:25 | jmw | gnush right.. i mean, it was there a second ago and after installing 202 it's GONE! |
| 20:22:37 | Zagor | magic :-) |
| 20:22:43 | jmw | unless my memory is failing and it was called something else other than sh.exe |
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| 20:26:08 | Lear | jmw: just throw in memcmp from newlib (that's where some/most files from firmware/common comes from anyway). |
| 20:26:24 | Lear | jmw: And you need to fiddle the linker script a little as well. |
| 20:26:26 | jmw | bit late now i downgraded to 202 ;) |
| 20:26:46 | Lear | jmw: I build rockbox with GCC 3.1.4. Works fine. |
| 20:26:49 | Zagor | it's silly needing memcmp when we don't use it. this is a compiler bug if there ever was one. |
| 20:27:09 | jmw | pretty serious bug too... dunno how they can assume it would be there when it's used in embedded systems |
| 20:27:22 | Lear | Maybe, but I don't argue when it is easy to work around. :) |
| 20:30:06 | Zagor | I do. I'm the Code Police (dadaaa!) |
| 20:30:32 | jmw | i'm not going crazy.. i completely uninstalled it and re-installed 202 of gnush.. and sh still isn't there!! |
| 20:31:22 | jmw | i need a version from somewhere else. any ideas anybody |
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| 20:37:46 | jmw | just installed 203 again and stole it from there. stupid 202. |
| 20:38:34 | Lear | Odd... In the UI simulator, I can enter the settings menu in the dir browser, but not in the WPS. Using player keys... |
| 20:39:48 | Zagor | hmm, strange |
| 20:40:11 | jmw | lear.. are you building on NT? |
| 20:40:34 | jmw | (thats not related to your quesiton, i'm just asking) |
| 20:41:42 | Lear | Win2k to be picky, but yes. |
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| 20:50:09 | jmw | how did you build it then... |
| 20:50:20 | jmw | did you have to hack all the makefiles so they don't use mkdir for instance? |
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| 21:01:01 | jmw | how does scramble work. if i run scramble x y −− it doesn't create y. y? |
| 21:01:51 | Zagor | it should |
| 21:02:08 | jmw | hmmm |
| 21:02:18 | jmw | i'm not having a good day today ;) |
| 21:04:45 | jmw | doh! it might help if i use the right compiler.. gnush isn't gonna produce win32 code is it! |
| 21:07:57 | Lear | jmw: using VC++ 6, and a newly created project |
| 21:11:20 | Lear | When buying a replacement charger, how picky is the current output. I've read "at least 300 mA", but what is OK as a max? |
| 21:11:55 | Zagor | oh, around 8000 :-) |
| 21:12:20 | Zagor | seriously, I wouldn't worry about using too strong a charger, at least not on the rec20 |
| 21:12:33 | Zagor | sorry, i mean all recorders |
| 21:12:34 | Lear | well, we're talking studio 20 here though... |
| 21:13:02 | Zagor | ok. well they can't turn off the charger, so you might want to take that into account |
| 21:13:24 | Lear | would something like 1000-1500 mA still be OK? |
| 21:14:07 | Zagor | i think so, as long as you don't charge for too long |
| 21:14:17 | Zagor | adi|home: your mail account is over quota |
| 21:15:06 | Zagor | nimh's can take pretty high amps, but of course that also means they will take damage if you keep burning'em after they're full |
| 21:15:45 | Zagor | if you're planning over-night unattended charging, you might want to stick with a 300-500 mA unit |
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| 21:16:32 | Lear | OK, thanks, now I know what to look for. |
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| 21:21:20 | jmw | alright i'll try again... |
| 21:21:40 | jmw | stupid connection. |
| 21:23:36 | jmw | i build everything, but when i run it the recorder just hangs at startup... anybody seen that before? |
| 21:24:43 | Zagor | on target? |
| 21:24:49 | jmw | yeah |
| 21:24:54 | jmw | the recorder |
| 21:24:57 | Zagor | nasty |
| 21:25:05 | jmw | ok. but WHY! ;) |
| 21:25:16 | Zagor | sounds like your build setup is wrong somehow |
| 21:25:43 | Zagor | those windows machines are tricky :-) |
| 21:32:47 | dwihno | Windows is cute :-) |
| 21:32:52 | dwihno | At least, since Windows 2000 |
| 21:33:02 | dwihno | So it only took Microsoft 5 years making windows usable :) |
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| 21:38:29 | Zagor | dwihno: you listen to caramell. who do you think takes anything you say seriously? :-) |
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| 21:41:11 | dwihno | Zagor: You really think I give a flying rat's ass about what other people think? :-) |
| 21:42:10 | jmw | stupid connection. |
| 21:42:31 | jmw | sorry to repeat.. but anyone any idea about archos hanging at boot after building using gnush |
| 21:44:06 | Lear | jmw: can you tell if the ROM firmware can even load the file? |
| 21:44:22 | Zagor | jwm: how big is it? |
| 21:44:45 | jmw | it's 96k |
| 21:44:56 | jmw | 96,490 |
| 21:45:02 | jmw | how do i know if it's even loading it |
| 21:45:13 | jmw | it doesn't display the boot screen... just hangs on the initial progress bar |
| 21:45:49 | Lear | Don't have a recorder, so I don't know if that progress bar is a part of the ROM firmware or the Rockbox firmware... :) |
| 21:45:59 | jmw | it's part of the ROM firmware, i'm sure of that |
| 21:46:19 | jmw | i thought it was scramble messing up.. so i descrambled rox, re-scrambled it, put it back on and it worked fine |
| 21:46:28 | jmw | so it's something to do with my build. :( |
| 21:46:40 | jmw | lear.. do you use gnush 202? |
| 21:47:16 | Lear | jmw: no, 3.1.1 which I compiled myself |
| 21:47:26 | jmw | oh yeah, you said |
| 21:47:52 | jmw | there's nothing different about the recorder right, as far as building goes.. it's just functional right? |
| 21:48:07 | Zagor | well there are some more files, but that's all |
| 21:48:14 | jmw | yeah, that's what i thought. |
| 21:48:23 | jmw | are there any smaller test apps i could try on it? |
| 21:48:26 | dwihno | Zagor: music is just an expression of art. So what if I listen to Caramell. So you listen to Deep Purple? Am I supposed to take you more seriousley compared to if you listened to Peaches? :-) |
| 21:48:31 | jmw | what about that lcdv2.. that should work right |
| 21:49:22 | fragglet | hey |
| 21:49:30 | fragglet | has anyone thought of adding a hold function to rockbox |
| 21:49:53 | Zagor | fragglet: it's there already. MENU+STOP or F1+DOWN |
| 21:49:58 | jmw | zagor.. how come lcdv2 runs padit, and rockbox doesn't.. doesn't it need to pad it? |
| 21:50:19 | Zagor | no, our link script handles that |
| 21:50:27 | fragglet | oh cool |
| 21:50:35 | jmw | hmm ok. |
| 21:51:24 | jmw | so if i build lcdv2, stick it on the archos it should work right... lemme try it |
| 21:51:36 | fragglet | f1 and down are you sure |
| 21:51:41 | fragglet | doesnt seem to work |
| 21:52:34 | Zagor | it only works in wps |
| 21:52:37 | fragglet | oh wait nm |
| 21:52:38 | Zagor | not in the browser |
| 21:52:51 | fragglet | yeah |
| 21:53:09 | jmw | zagor.. lcdv2 just hangs too. grrrr.. can't compile anything for it. wah!! |
| 21:53:42 | fragglet | heh |
| 21:53:45 | Zagor | jmw: annoying. not much I can do, i'm afraid |
| 21:53:46 | fragglet | pressing off still turns it off though |
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| 21:54:04 | fragglet | is that a hardware thing |
| 21:54:08 | Zagor | fragglet: yes |
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| 21:54:50 | Lear | fragglet: hardware does that, AFAIK. Good in case the firmware crashes. :) |
| 21:56:01 | jmw | lear.. what changes did you make with gnush 203 to get it to compile |
| 21:56:31 | Lear | jmw: just added memcmp, IIRC. |
| 21:57:24 | jmw | where did you get sh from? coz kpit install for 203 doesn't seem to include it |
| 21:57:46 | Lear | I ran it under cygwin. |
| 21:57:53 | jmw | ah ok. |
| 21:59:51 | jmw | and you tested the output on your jukebox right? |
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| 22:06:23 | Lear | studio, but yes, it worked fine. |
| 22:06:37 | jmw | could anyone dcc send me a decompile of their mod file (using sh2d) so i can compare the output? |
| 22:07:32 | Zagor | archos.map is probably more useful |
| 22:07:35 | Zagor | i'll send you mine |
| 22:07:44 | jmw | thanks zagor |
| 22:09:56 | jmw | zagor.. you have a player right? think that map will work on my recorder 20? |
| 22:10:05 | Zagor | this was a recorder map |
| 22:10:11 | Zagor | i have both |
| 22:10:18 | jmw | oh cool |
| 22:10:49 | Zagor | the map is a text file showing which code and data is put where in ram |
| 22:10:55 | Zagor | compare it with yours |
| 22:11:05 | jmw | yeah i'm just doing a diff now |
| 22:13:59 | jmw | what's the layout of the map file.. what do the first and second hex numbers rep |
| 22:14:15 | jmw | coz the first number is always out by 10000 hex... |
| 22:14:35 | Zagor | aha! you're building the debug version |
| 22:14:45 | Zagor | it's relocated 10000 hex up |
| 22:14:51 | jmw | ohhh.. |
| 22:15:00 | jmw | cool thanks for noticing ;) |
| 22:16:41 | Zagor | format is <segment> <address> <size> <symbol> btw |
| 22:17:47 | jmw | yeah the sizes were often diff too |
| 22:17:56 | jmw | i'm rebuilding now |
| 22:23:41 | jmw | shouldn't the configure script take out debug if it's targeted at the device? |
| 22:24:26 | Zagor | no, debug is for the device. it's for using gdb over a serial line |
| 22:24:35 | Zagor | debug and simulator are not the same |
| 22:25:37 | jmw | hmmm.. ok |
| 22:26:05 | jmw | how come you don't build the debug ver then |
| 22:28:50 | jmw | ok now i'm not on debug.. the map file shows some differences in offset after a call to playlist_clear (about 4 bytes added in mine) |
| 22:28:52 | Zagor | since you don't have the gdb stub to run it |
| 22:29:11 | Zagor | dwihno: your font is 8 bytes high, right? |
| 22:30:28 | dwihno | Zagor: That is correct. |
| 22:30:57 | jmw | zagor.. COOL! it worked now! |
| 22:31:25 | jmw | thanks for all your help |
| 22:33:22 | dwihno | Zagor: 8x9, last byte containing w+h |
| 22:33:33 | Zagor | jmw: goodie |
| 22:33:36 | Zagor | dwihno: ok |
| 22:39:04 | jmw | zagor.. do you know if there's any 'keyboard' like display UI (character input) been done for file renaming or writing |
| 22:40:04 | Zagor | not that i've heard, no |
| 22:42:08 | jmw | ok. i guess i'll do that first, just to play around |
| 22:42:33 | Zagor | nice |
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| 22:45:58 | dwihno | Since when is Linux shareware? |
| 22:46:00 | dwihno | "Linux, a shareware operating system, supports a number of advanced networking features"... |
| 22:46:52 | Zagor | haha clueless reporters |
| 22:53:58 | jmw | does rockbox support inverse video when doing a puts? |
| 22:54:51 | Synthe | heh |
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| 22:56:27 | Zagor | jmw: no, you have to do a lcd_invertrect() afterwards. and only on recorder, of course |
| 22:57:25 | jmw | zagor.. what are you doing on fonts exactly |
| 22:59:03 | Zagor | fixing alex' patch |
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| 23:05:48 | jmw | invertrect just displays a black square on the sim.. (or maybe i'm using it wrong) |
| 23:06:32 | Zagor | could be a bug too. bagder fixed it today, I think. when did you update from cvs? |
| 23:07:29 | jmw | ok, this was from yesterday's release |
| 23:07:51 | jmw | yeah, it just calls lcd_bitmap with false.. and that just draws black, doesn't invert |
| 23:08:00 | jmw | i'll sync to the latest |
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| 23:22:12 | adi|home | Zagor you around? |
| 23:22:25 | Zagor | yup |
| 23:22:34 | adi|home | whats the answer to the new FAQ question? |
| 23:22:37 | adi|home | about the error light |
| 23:22:44 | jmw | zagor.. you were right, it was fixed today (implemented today?).. works now |
| 23:23:06 | Zagor | "Rockbox uses the red LED as harddisk activity light, not as an error light. Relax and enjoy the music." |
| 23:23:12 | adi|home | cool |
| 23:23:26 | Zagor | jmw: good |
| 23:24:28 | adi|home | updated |
| 23:24:47 | Zagor | thanks |
| 23:24:55 | adi|home | np |
| 23:32:02 | jmw | what's the constant for the size of a character in non-prop mode |
| 23:32:34 | Zagor | lcd_getfontsize() |
| 23:32:43 | jmw | cool thx |
| 23:41:37 | | Join binocularmonk [0] (Bugger@vpooley.fsnet.co.uk) |
| 23:42:43 | binocularmonk | hey Zagor, just stumbled across your jukebox firmware today.... well done chaps... |
| 23:43:23 | Zagor | thanks |
| 23:43:52 | binocularmonk | I've given it a go and it runs smart, but how do I turn the thing off? |
| 23:44:02 | binocularmonk | sounds a silly question I know |
| 23:44:11 | Zagor | pull out the AC cable and hold down OFF or STOP |
| 23:44:56 | Zagor | (ok, it's a DC cable. but you get it :-) |
| 23:46:36 | binocularmonk | nice one.. |
| 23:46:38 | jmw | submerging it in water has the same effect too |
| 23:47:00 | binocularmonk | :d |
| 23:47:04 | binocularmonk | :D |
| 23:47:37 | binocularmonk | any plans on supporting the remote? |
| 23:47:46 | Zagor | yes, we have a patch for it |
| 23:48:01 | binocularmonk | execllent.. |
| 23:48:02 | Zagor | it'll go into cvs soon |
| 23:49:12 | mistaRx | have u tested the remote patch?! |
| 23:49:18 | Zagor | no |
| 23:49:20 | binocularmonk | I've been plagued with lockup problems with my JB6000, these have seemed to have disappeared with your firmware, any coincidence... |
| 23:49:30 | binocularmonk | ? |
| 23:49:36 | mistaRx | me too!!! |
| 23:49:42 | Zagor | binocularmonk: sounds excellent! i have no clue why, though :-) |
| 23:49:48 | binocularmonk | :) |
| 23:49:55 | Zagor | other than the lockups being firmware bugs, of course |
| 23:50:00 | Zagor | we don't have bugs ;-) |
| 23:50:38 | * | adi|home points out we have features ;) |
| 23:51:32 | binocularmonk | :D... I took off your firmware and replaced 5.07a and it was back to ripping out the batteries a load of times to get the thing to boot.... put rockbox back in and it works.. |
| 23:52:05 | Zagor | interesting |
| 23:52:12 | Zagor | which model do you have? |
| 23:52:24 | binocularmonk | although I haven't tested it for long tho... |
| 23:52:47 | binocularmonk | it has v 5.03 firmware |
| 23:53:03 | binocularmonk | JB 6000 |
| 23:53:06 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:53:18 | Zagor | well, i'm off to bed. see you later, guys! |
| 23:53:26 | binocularmonk | c ya... |
| 23:53:27 | | Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") |
| 23:53:32 | mistaRx | later.. |
| 23:53:45 | binocularmonk | I'm off too.... |
| 23:54:00 | binocularmonk | c ya.. |
| 23:54:04 | | Quit binocularmonk () |
| 23:54:56 | jmw | later all. |
| 23:54:58 | | Quit jmw () |
| 23:55:17 | datazone | weird... i think my jukebox no longer charges the battery when the adapter is plugged in |
| 23:55:29 | datazone | thats why i thought it was broken |
| 23:55:44 | datazone | good thing i had a seperate battery charger |
| 23:55:49 | mistaRx | whish model |
| 23:55:55 | datazone | 6000 |
| 23:56:06 | | Part motiv01_ |
| 23:56:41 | mistaRx | have u tested if it isn't the AC adapter which is the problem?! |
| 23:56:41 | datazone | on the plus side, it made me get up the nerve to open it up.. so i will probably upgrade the hard drive |
| 23:57:06 | datazone | well, the adapter works, cause i can use the device as a portable hard drive only before |
| 23:57:30 | datazone | if i keep my finger on the power button, it worked as a hard drive |
| 23:57:44 | mistaRx | great! |
| 23:57:48 | datazone | i know |
| 23:58:20 | datazone | time to try our rockbox for the first time |
| 23:58:23 | mistaRx | I've got the same model! |
| 23:58:49 | mistaRx | you'll be without words! |
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