00:01:26 | RipnetUK | am i right in saying that the screen buffer is 1 byte for the first 1x8 column on the top left, then another byte for the 1pix wide column directly to the right of that and so on? |
00:02:23 | Zagor | yes |
00:02:27 | adi|home | god damnit |
00:02:37 | adi|home | are ppl ever giong to stop the 200 files limit discusion |
00:02:40 | adi|home | jesus |
00:02:44 | RipnetUK | ta |
00:03:23 | * | adi|home wasn't commenting at RipnetUK, he was commenting at the emails |
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00:08:52 | RipnetUK | :) how fast is this thing? is it worthwhile shifting screen data around a byte at a time (in which case you wont be able to easily smoothly scroll in the y direction) or is a bit at a time gonna be OK? |
00:09:45 | Zagor | we've got about 50fps frame rate, so we probably want to be able to go bit-for-bit |
00:12:03 | RipnetUK | sorry, are u saying we have enough processing cycles left over to do it bit-by-bit, as opposed to a 8 bit column in one hit? |
00:12:13 | RipnetUK | that would be easier |
00:12:16 | adi|home | RipnetUK: whatcha working on? |
00:12:29 | Zagor | RipnetUK: are you talking horizontally or vertically? |
00:12:39 | Zagor | start with whatever is easiest |
00:12:55 | RipnetUK | adi - im working on an experimental scrollbox, ie a large window a bit of which can be displayed on the screen at a given time, to allow the entire 3/4 lines of id3 to scroll as a block |
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00:13:05 | RipnetUK | zag - vertically, hoz wouldnt be a problem either way |
00:13:33 | RipnetUK | zag - you are right... i will start with bit by bit, and optimize if it works/is too slow |
00:17:20 | matsl | Zagor: Playlist browsing seems wanted. I have a simpler idea. |
00:17:42 | Zagor | matsl: tell me |
00:18:13 | matsl | Why not just display the playlist.index |
00:18:46 | matsl | If next song is hit again, just increase the index and display it. |
00:19:04 | matsl | When no more activity. Start playing that song. |
00:19:11 | Zagor | umm, that's an int |
00:19:17 | Zagor | i don't get it |
00:19:59 | matsl | ok. Let say your on song nr 2. |
00:20:35 | matsl | Press + and 3 is displayed. If you continue holding + the numbers 4,5,6.. etc will fly by on the screen. |
00:20:42 | matsl | Release + when you are there. |
00:20:57 | Zagor | well, people want to see the names of the files. not just the number. |
00:21:42 | matsl | I know but it will be rather slow and some filenames isn't that descriptive either in the beginning. |
00:22:39 | matsl | When using id3 display you will also be confused since you will be browsing the playlist which contains filnames. |
00:23:04 | matsl | Zagor: just an idea anyway. |
00:23:25 | Zagor | yes. i'm not sure it will silence the wolfs, though :-) |
00:24:10 | matsl | Zagor: Probably not but probably much easier to implement. |
00:25:21 | matsl | Zagor: besides. When the wolfs see how sliw it will be to browse the playlist they come whining for the fast browse ;-) |
00:25:38 | matsl | slim/slow ;-) |
00:27:24 | Zagor | :) |
00:48:19 | RipnetUK | got the basics working... (at least a seperate buffer, which can be displayed on the main screen, at a given position, and a given amount of it), will continue tommorow... gotta sleep, thanks for yer help cu later |
00:48:34 | Zagor | night |
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02:17:08 | matsl | Time to go. Cu l8tr today! |
02:17:14 | Zagor | bye |
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03:10:17 | BlueOtto | H'lo |
03:10:32 | dwihn0r | howdy |
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03:58:39 | TotMacher | hi |
03:59:51 | TotMacher | whats the deep discharge ? |
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06:30:31 | telliott | I must be missing something but how do I record with Rockbox (Archos Jukebox Recorder). I'm pretty sure I downloaded the right version. |
06:32:03 | dwihn0r | It's not possible |
06:32:21 | dwihn0r | Rockbox does only support playing music ... (at least, right now) |
06:35:56 | telliott | I'm still getting used to it. It does load playlists faster than the default software, and more than 999 tracks. |
06:36:04 | dwihn0r | Yeah :) |
06:36:06 | dwihn0r | It's rather kickass! |
06:37:08 | telliott | can I create playlists "on the fly" while playing music? |
06:37:31 | dwihn0r | That is not possible yet. |
06:38:47 | telliott | Is it possible for future firmware to improve record quality, using Lame or uncompressed WAV? |
06:39:01 | dwihn0r | erhm |
06:39:04 | dwihn0r | what do you mean? |
06:39:33 | telliott | better recording quality than with the default software. |
06:39:59 | PsycoXul | if somebody can figure out how to program the MAS's DSP they can do something with it |
06:40:22 | dwihn0r | Yeah... |
06:40:26 | telliott | Cool. |
06:40:30 | dwihn0r | Programming the MAS is the key. |
06:40:40 | PsycoXul | but otherwise its stuck with the mp3 encoder/decoder chip's default functionality |
06:40:42 | dwihn0r | But it might require a combination of ninja tricks + zen |
06:42:21 | PsycoXul | telliott: ChanServ should have msg'd you with a reference to information |
06:42:53 | telliott | That would be cool. I'm moving from a Rio Volt SP-250. This dosen't seem to have all the playback options that I've seen but it does play WITHOUT skipping while walking. |
06:43:23 | telliott | I did read the FAQ |
06:44:17 | PsycoXul | "`You know they've reintroduced the death penalty for |
06:44:17 | PsycoXul | insurance company directors?' |
06:44:17 | PsycoXul | `Really?' said Arthur. `No I didn't. For what offence?' |
06:44:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK PsycoXul |
06:44:17 | PsycoXul | Trillian frowned. |
06:44:17 | PsycoXul | `What do you mean, offence?' |
06:44:19 | PsycoXul | `I see.'" |
06:47:31 | | Part telliott |
06:48:21 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
06:48:21 | * | adi|home screams |
06:48:39 | adi|home | i realllly wish ppl would RTFM before coming in and asking questions |
06:48:51 | adi|home | course i guess ppl having been dealing with that for ages |
06:49:20 | dwihn0r | :-/ |
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07:09:43 | adi|home | AHHHHHHHHHHH its LinusN!!! |
07:09:46 | * | adi|home runs screamming |
07:09:50 | Mode | "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
07:10:03 | * | LinusN feels the power |
07:10:35 | Topic | "Don't let this happen to you: " I did read the FAQ <-- telliott (trilluser@208.251.255.120) has left #rockbox"" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:11:19 | LinusN | adi|home: interesting topic... |
07:11:24 | * | adi|home nods |
07:11:26 | adi|home | i try |
07:11:29 | elinenbe | hello |
07:11:29 | adi|home | :) |
07:11:33 | adi|home | howdy |
07:11:34 | LinusN | yo |
07:11:34 | dwihn0r | hellö hellö |
07:11:36 | elinenbe | time for me to drink. |
07:11:48 | dwihn0r | good morning Linus |
07:11:53 | LinusN | morn |
07:11:57 | dwihn0r | Welcome back to *drumroll* #ROCKBOX! |
07:12:01 | dwihn0r | :-D |
07:12:02 | adi|home | i have a better one... wanna see? |
07:12:05 | dwihn0r | Your host today is ADI |
07:12:23 | elinenbe | öl öl öl öl öl öl öl |
07:12:29 | elinenbe | beer beer beer beer beer |
07:12:30 | dwihn0r | We sure have got a great show up ahead today! Lots of upcoming CVS commits and a couple of red builds |
07:12:31 | elinenbe | YA!!!!!! |
07:12:39 | Topic | ""Asking a question answered in the FAQ? Thats a kickin. Asking to ask a question? Thats a kickin"" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:12:42 | adi|home | hows that? |
07:12:43 | adi|home | better? |
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07:13:11 | Mode | "#rockbox +o adi|work " by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:13:34 | adi|home | LinusN: does the logbot do anything other then log? |
07:14:14 | dwihn0r | ARE THESE CONVERSATIONS LOGGED? |
07:14:19 | adi|home | nods |
07:14:24 | * | adi|home points at logbot |
07:14:24 | dwihn0r | I want all lines regarding me nuked! :O |
07:14:27 | adi|home | check the website |
07:14:33 | adi|home | hehe |
07:14:48 | adi|home | sorry.. anything you say in this room is by definiton property of Rockbox |
07:14:56 | adi|home | didnt you get your copy of the NDA?> |
07:15:10 | * | dwihn0r |
07:15:47 | dwihn0r | adi|home: Och med tomma burkar ska vi fylla våra säckar! |
07:15:53 | LinusN | adi|home: i think the logbot is on the alert for some bot attacks too |
07:16:01 | adi|home | k... |
07:16:06 | adi|home | do you happen to have the code for it |
07:16:12 | adi|home | id be interested in looking |
07:16:12 | LinusN | at least that is what it was made for a long time ago (Dancer) |
07:16:46 | LinusN | http://dancer.sourceforge.net/ |
07:17:46 | adi|home | k |
07:19:21 | dwihn0r | LinusN: you don't know when the pharmacy opens? |
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07:20:34 | adi|home | lol |
07:20:40 | adi|home | ./msg logbot SEEN LinusN |
07:20:44 | LinusN | the pharmacy at the central station is open 24 hours |
07:20:45 | adi|home | -logbot- You need glasses badly |
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07:22:00 | LinusN | dwihn0rhttp://search.gulasidorna.se/form/26: |
07:22:12 | LinusN | http://search.gulasidorna.se/form/26 |
07:22:25 | dwihn0r | :-) |
07:22:26 | >>> | "top" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:22:33 | dwihn0r | you are the almighty web ninja |
07:22:35 | dwihn0r | and MAS ninja |
07:22:40 | >>> | "TOP" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:22:41 | dwihn0r | MAS ninja (zen++) |
07:23:25 | >>> | "SPELL asleep" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:24:11 | LinusN | i certainly don't feel like a MAS ninja...(grumble..grumble..distortion...grumble) |
07:24:31 | dwihn0r | Misa think you do great MAS job! |
07:24:42 | dwihn0r | Distortion on the player models? |
07:24:43 | >>> | "calc 1+1" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:24:50 | >>> | "CALC 1+1" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:25:47 | >>> | "EXCHANGE LIST" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:25:59 | LinusN | yup |
07:26:11 | adi|home | EXPLAIN foboar |
07:26:17 | >>> | "EXPLAIN foobar" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:26:24 | >>> | "EXPLAIN god" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:26:29 | >>> | "EXPLAIN sun" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:26:43 | dwihn0r | LinusN: so who gives a shit, player = bad, recorder = good :) |
07:26:44 | >>> | "hel" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:26:46 | >>> | "help" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:26:54 | LinusN | :-) |
07:27:01 | >>> | "CMD" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:27:11 | dwihn0r | the firmware for the player models should show a text |
07:27:18 | dwihn0r | "Buy a recorder instead" |
07:27:20 | >>> | "UPTIME" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:27:34 | >>> | "RULES" by adi|home (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-29.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) |
07:28:46 | adi|home | lol |
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07:59:13 | >>> | "HELP" by elinenbe (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) |
07:59:20 | >>> | "CMD" by elinenbe (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) |
07:59:39 | >>> | "TELLME" by elinenbe (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) |
07:59:48 | >>> | "UPTIME" by elinenbe (trilluser@pcp02254422pcs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) |
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08:10:33 | Zagor | hey all |
08:11:13 | Zagor | LinusN: I've fixed the id3v2 seek, but get a very strange bus error(!) on one test mp3 |
08:11:22 | Zagor | want a patch, to have a look? |
08:12:37 | LinusN | Zagor: make sure that all addresses are even |
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08:13:14 | Zagor | *bingo* |
08:13:14 | LinusN | mprbuf_read, mp3buf_write and mp3buf_swapwrite must all be even at all times |
08:13:27 | Zagor | but, hmm, why does it get odd. odd... |
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08:18:03 | Bagder | morning |
08:18:20 | dwihn0r | Hello, mr Bagder, welcome back to #rockbox! :D |
08:18:30 | Bagder | thank you sir |
08:19:34 | dwihn0r | Your host today is adi|home, and the topic is "My bisexual rockbox is having an affair with a D.A.P" |
08:20:08 | Bagder | when does the show start? |
08:20:28 | dwihn0r | Dunno, we're still waiting for the audience to fill the room ;D |
08:20:52 | * | Bagder takes a seat in the front row |
08:23:10 | * | LinusN buys popcorn |
08:24:48 | Bagder | wow |
08:24:57 | Bagder | someone in Nigeria needs my help! |
08:24:59 | Bagder | :-] |
08:25:28 | dwihn0r | *roflmao* :) |
08:25:57 | dwihn0r | Nigerian mail (tm) :) |
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08:26:41 | bobTHC | hi all! |
08:26:59 | dwihn0r | bonjour |
08:27:12 | bobTHC | bonjour |
08:27:22 | Bagder | morning bobTHC |
08:27:24 | dwihn0r | comment allez vouz? |
08:27:42 | bobTHC | tres bien... |
08:29:50 | dwihn0r | c'est parfait, non? |
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08:31:39 | Bagder | morning matsl |
08:31:47 | matsl | morning |
08:31:57 | bobTHC | morning |
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08:43:19 | Bagder | http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/products/2002-08-12-spotlight-mp3_x.htm |
08:43:34 | Bagder | funny little thing |
08:44:46 | bobTHC | without any UI to replace ;) |
08:46:07 | Bagder | the UI *is* replaaceable, just change cassette player! ;-) |
08:46:35 | bobTHC | :) |
08:49:18 | matsl | Bagder: Organizational Q about the simulator icons. Did some more experiment with it yesterday and though I create the code under uisimulator/common ... |
08:49:37 | Bagder | sounds wise |
08:49:53 | matsl | ... just to realize that this would create the first dependency from firmware to uisimulator!? |
08:50:14 | Bagder | no |
08:50:26 | matsl | no!? |
08:50:43 | Bagder | several firmware functions are replaced with sim stuff when the sim is built |
08:51:10 | matsl | I had to include a -I../common |
08:51:34 | Bagder | ah, well the first include file to go into the common, yes |
08:51:50 | Bagder | but that should not be made in the firmware makefile |
08:52:03 | Bagder | we should pass it to it from the sim's makefile somehow |
08:52:08 | Bagder | preferably at least |
08:53:12 | matsl | I just added it in the x11/makefile |
08:53:49 | Bagder | aaaah, right, it never uses the firmware's makefile in the sim build |
08:54:52 | matsl | Bagder: OK. So I'm on the right track then! |
08:55:22 | Bagder | it sure sounds so |
08:55:56 | Hes | Morning |
08:56:02 | LinusN | morn |
08:56:04 | Bagder | morning hes |
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09:16:57 | Zagor | LinusN: i've been doing some thinking about the bit swapping |
09:17:14 | Zagor | if we drop the big list, we win 128KB |
09:17:34 | Zagor | that's 8 seconds of 128kbit mp3 data |
09:18:30 | Zagor | so even if the slower bit swap means we have to start the disk a few seconds earlier, we actually gain spindown time |
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09:19:19 | LinusN | Zagor: probably, but we will also slow down the response time |
09:19:34 | LinusN | Fast forward will be slower, for example |
09:19:45 | LinusN | track changes will be slower |
09:20:02 | Zagor | hmm |
09:20:06 | LinusN | and the big table is 64k, not 128 |
09:20:15 | Zagor | it's 64k shorts |
09:20:41 | Bagder | of course, during the summer we have shorts ;-) |
09:20:42 | LinusN | me silly |
09:21:16 | LinusN | Zagor: but go ahead and test it |
09:22:50 | Zagor | well, i'm a bit busy :-) |
09:26:36 | matsl | cu l8ter |
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09:29:10 | Bagder | morning RipnetUK |
09:29:19 | Bagder | how's your C skills developing? ;-) |
09:31:51 | * | adi|home beats Bagder about the head and neck with a soft pliable LART(c) |
09:32:07 | * | Bagder falls to the floor |
09:34:15 | * | adi|home applauds wildly6 |
09:34:29 | * | adi|home points to the sign that reads "The beatings will now commence." |
09:35:02 | * | Bagder returns to his seat in the front row |
09:35:03 | * | adi|home beats LinusN senseful with a soft pliable LART(c) |
09:35:34 | * | adi|home shoves a soft pliable LART(c) up Zagor's nose and pulls it back out |
09:35:52 | * | adi|home wipes his snot ridden LART(c) on datazone |
09:36:05 | * | adi|home says quietly "And that ends act one" |
09:36:12 | * | adi|home waits for the applause |
09:36:22 | * | adi|home hears the crickets |
09:36:34 | Bagder | adi has gone more nuts than usual ;-) |
09:36:49 | * | adi|home nods happily |
09:36:55 | adi|home | but at least im entertaining :) |
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09:37:35 | dwihno|zombie | must...eat....brain |
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09:38:05 | Zagor | bored, adi? |
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09:38:09 | adi|home | okay.. enough of that fun :) |
09:38:12 | * | adi|home smirks |
09:38:19 | adi|home | i just got back from a call |
09:38:21 | adi|home | winding down |
09:38:21 | adi|home | sorry |
09:38:30 | * | adi|home crawls to the corner and twiches for a while |
09:43:13 | * | Bagder thinks that today's episode of the "adiamas show" was a mighty fine one ;-) |
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09:48:02 | RipnetUK | morning bagder - c skills all coming back to me nicely now thanks :) i used to know c quite well, but have done 4 years of Delphi, which as made me lazy :) |
09:48:12 | Bagder | hehe |
09:48:52 | RipnetUK | gonna see how much I can sneeakly do today at work via VNC :) |
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09:49:17 | Bagder | avoiding work is an art ;-) |
09:49:48 | | Nick Synthe` is now known as Synthe (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) |
09:54:26 | dwihno|zombie | In that case, the people working on this project are Picasso, Michelangelo, van Gogh etc. ;) |
09:56:45 | Zagor | Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. |
09:56:45 | Zagor | 0x0f0003ee in ata_read_sectors (start=0, count=1 '\001', buf=0x909104d) |
09:56:45 | Zagor | at drivers/ata.c:187 |
09:56:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Zagor |
09:56:45 | Zagor | 187 for (j=0; j<SECTOR_SIZE/2; j++) |
09:56:51 | RipnetUK | are we all teenage mutant ninja turtles then :) |
09:56:58 | Zagor | bluech :-( |
09:57:32 | Bagder | Zagor: ugha |
09:59:29 | Bagder | rockbox is ranked 193 on sourceforge, based on activity |
09:59:37 | Zagor | yay |
09:59:55 | Bagder | out of 45000 hosted projects |
10:00 |
10:00:55 | Zagor | we were 182 on the 11th :) |
10:00:57 | RipnetUK | im not suprised... there is a LOT of updates - i love it - each time I check the email, my mp3 player has a new feature |
10:01:04 | Bagder | hehe |
10:01:20 | RipnetUK | im just hoping that not too much work is done on lcd.c / h during the next couple of days... |
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10:01:30 | RipnetUK | at least apart from by me |
10:01:37 | Bagder | RipnetUK: it has been pretty stable lately so I don't expect that |
10:01:46 | Zagor | RipnetUK: there will be. i'm rewriting the font code, remember? |
10:01:51 | Bagder | oh |
10:01:56 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
10:01:56 | * | Bagder is silent now |
10:01:57 | RipnetUK | neway, gotta take my 'meatspace' to work now, catch ya later |
10:02:03 | Bagder | see ya RipnetUK |
10:02:05 | RipnetUK | my code is largely seperate new functions anyway |
10:02:11 | Zagor | ok, good |
10:02:23 | RipnetUK | so hopefully shouldnt give diff TOO harder time... |
10:02:25 | RipnetUK | c u soon |
10:07:58 | LinusN | Zagor: any progress with the address error? |
10:08:23 | Zagor | nothing yet. it's not an odd address. |
10:08:24 | | Nick mbr|gone is now known as mbr (~tiw4mabr@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de) |
10:08:34 | Zagor | 0x0f0003fa in ata_read_sectors (start=0, count=1 '\001', buf=0x909104d) |
10:08:34 | Zagor | at drivers/ata.c:189 |
10:08:34 | Zagor | 189 for (j=0; j<SECTOR_SIZE/2; j++) |
10:08:42 | Bagder | morning mbr |
10:08:47 | mbr | morning |
10:08:50 | Zagor | the start=0 is wrong, which could be gdb or it could be the problem |
10:09:30 | Bagder | Zagor: line 189 doesn't seem likely to be the actual address is it? Or is it a stack problem perhaps? |
10:10:15 | Zagor | the stack trace is ok, and a DEBUGF confirms this is the function that stops. |
10:10:29 | Zagor | but yes, the line is unlikely. probably the next line is the one: |
10:10:37 | Zagor | 190 ((unsigned short*)buf)[j] = SWAB16(ATA_DATA); |
10:10:50 | Bagder | right, seems much more likely |
10:10:55 | Zagor | but buf is ok, and j is 1 |
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10:15:27 | LinusN | Zagor: is this when reading MP3 data or when parsing the tags? |
10:15:55 | LinusN | Zagor: buf=909104d is a very odd address |
10:20:00 | Zagor | doh. it is... |
10:21:50 | LinusN | what have you done to mess with the mp3 buffer indices? |
10:22:08 | Zagor | nothing. all I do is add lseek(). |
10:22:41 | LinusN | send me the code |
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10:23:53 | LinusN | Zagor: dcc isn't my cup of tea |
10:24:00 | Zagor | ah, right. sending a mail. |
10:26:34 | LinusN | PsycoXul: are you there? |
10:28:45 | LinusN | Zagor: it looks like an lseek/read bug |
10:28:47 | PsycoXul | yes? |
10:29:08 | LinusN | PsycoXul: have you experienced the distortion bug lately? |
10:29:47 | PsycoXul | it still pretends to have something to do with the state of the headphone jack on start/shutdown |
10:29:51 | PsycoXul | but yeah |
10:30:22 | LinusN | can you install the latest bleeding edge build? |
10:30:55 | PsycoXul | sure |
10:31:03 | LinusN | PsycoXul: i think i know why the headphone jack matters |
10:32:00 | LinusN | the ROM firmware may get an rs232 framing error in the startup when the headphones are inserted |
10:32:21 | LinusN | and that *may* trigger some code that messes with the MAS |
10:33:43 | PsycoXul | ok current cvs still distorts |
10:33:58 | LinusN | ok go to the debug menu |
10:34:06 | LinusN | and select "MAS info" |
10:34:20 | LinusN | keep the music playing |
10:34:44 | PsycoXul | ok... |
10:34:57 | LinusN | design code? |
10:35:20 | PsycoXul | 00601 |
10:35:37 | LinusN | ise + to go to PIOData |
10:35:47 | LinusN | use |
10:36:27 | PsycoXul | ok it switches between E1010 and 61010 |
10:37:41 | LinusN | good |
10:37:52 | LinusN | next, StartupConfig |
10:38:03 | PsycoXul | 00000 |
10:38:13 | LinusN | prescale? |
10:38:20 | PsycoXul | C6C00 |
10:38:25 | LinusN | bass? |
10:38:31 | PsycoXul | 35800 |
10:38:36 | LinusN | treble? |
10:38:37 | PsycoXul | 28400 |
10:38:53 | LinusN | first plloffset48? |
10:39:00 | LinusN | (36d) |
10:39:28 | PsycoXul | jumps around a lot |
10:39:31 | LinusN | ok |
10:39:34 | LinusN | next? |
10:39:52 | PsycoXul | 2D0DE |
10:39:58 | LinusN | woooo |
10:40:16 | LinusN | next? |
10:40:27 | PsycoXul | jumps around |
10:40:34 | LinusN | and next? |
10:40:41 | PsycoXul | A2319 |
10:40:43 | LinusN | wooo again |
10:41:01 | LinusN | ok, now press PLAY |
10:41:09 | PsycoXul | heh |
10:41:17 | PsycoXul | went higher pitch |
10:41:23 | PsycoXul | and went to CECEB |
10:41:24 | LinusN | and play again? |
10:41:46 | PsycoXul | back to how it was |
10:42:02 | LinusN | still distortion? |
10:42:07 | PsycoXul | yeah |
10:42:20 | LinusN | ok, outputconf? |
10:42:37 | PsycoXul | jumps |
10:42:41 | LinusN | next? |
10:42:46 | PsycoXul | 00000 |
10:42:53 | LinusN | ll gain? |
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10:43:04 | PsycoXul | 80000 |
10:43:15 | LinusN | next should be 0, 0, 8000 |
10:43:21 | PsycoXul | yeah |
10:43:27 | LinusN | trailbits? |
10:43:33 | PsycoXul | F0000 |
10:43:40 | LinusN | both? |
10:43:50 | PsycoXul | and yeah |
10:44:03 | PsycoXul | and it occasionaly switches to something else and back real quick |
10:44:14 | LinusN | yeah, i have noticed that |
10:44:42 | LinusN | your MAS is somewhat special |
10:45:06 | PsycoXul | heh |
10:45:08 | PsycoXul | lucky me |
10:45:14 | PsycoXul | does it have super powers? |
10:48:39 | * | notch thinks the debug menu is a thing of beauty |
10:48:49 | LinusN | it doesn't set the PLL frequencies correct at init time |
10:49:16 | PsycoXul | i booted it up with the headphones unplugged |
10:49:31 | PsycoXul | which got rid of the distortion and the stable PLL values are different |
10:50:19 | LinusN | weirdo indeed! |
10:50:41 | LinusN | PsycoXul: what ROM firmware revision? |
10:51:17 | PsycoXul | 32d is 5D9D0 or 2D0DE if i press play, and 32e is CECEB or A2319 |
10:51:35 | PsycoXul | 5.03 |
10:52:51 | LinusN | PsycoXul: what were the values before you pressed play? 5d9d0? |
10:53:02 | PsycoXul | yeah |
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10:54:24 | LinusN | ok, it seems that the unit is in a weird state sometimes |
10:58:48 | PsycoXul | heh |
10:58:56 | PsycoXul | so i just went from |
10:58:59 | PsycoXul | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Dec 29 2001 Vespertine/ |
10:59:00 | PsycoXul | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Dec 29 2001 Vespertine (bad rip)/ |
10:59:00 | PsycoXul | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Mar 12 02:43 Vespertine [ogg2mp3]/ |
10:59:00 | PsycoXul | to |
10:59:07 | PsycoXul | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Dec 29 2001 Vespertine/ |
10:59:07 | PsycoXul | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Dec 29 2001 Vespertine(bad rip)/ |
10:59:07 | PsycoXul | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Mar 12 02:43 Vespertine[ogg2mp3]/ |
10:59:40 | PsycoXul | with the first one 'Vespertine' on rockbox showed the contents of 'Vespertine (bad rip)' |
11:00 |
11:00:16 | PsycoXul | then after i renamed them rockboxs shows 'Vespertine' as the contents of 'Vespertine[ogg2mp3]' |
11:02:26 | PsycoXul | i just moved 'Vespertine' to 'Vespertine [Good]' and now all 3 display their proper contents.. |
11:02:45 | LinusN | weird |
11:03:04 | LinusN | PsycoXul: try this: http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod |
11:05:04 | PsycoXul | huh... |
11:05:05 | PsycoXul | heh |
11:05:17 | PsycoXul | before it was either like |
11:05:22 | PsycoXul | loud with distortion, or quieter without distortion |
11:05:28 | PsycoXul | that one is quieter with distortion |
11:05:41 | bobTHC | :) |
11:07:01 | PsycoXul | but it's 5D9D0 and CECEB |
11:07:12 | LinusN | this is so weird! |
11:08:12 | LinusN | go through the debug menu values again |
11:08:39 | PsycoXul | heh |
11:08:50 | PsycoXul | i just rebooted it again and it went away... |
11:09:15 | PsycoXul | and in the mas info thing |
11:09:22 | PsycoXul | the first time press play it doesn't change anything |
11:10:13 | Zagor | uhhh, this odd address problem is not so easily solved :-( |
11:10:54 | Zagor | you're right, linus. it's lseek's "fault" |
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11:12:51 | PsycoXul | yeah all the values are the same as the first time except the PLL's which are what i said last |
11:12:52 | Zagor | the problem is this: lseek(511); read(2000); *bang* |
11:13:20 | Zagor | the read get's an odd address |
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11:13:42 | Zagor | how the heck do we fix that... |
11:14:09 | aakil | Zagor: It works when you do an lseek(510) though right? |
11:14:18 | LinusN | Zagor: why would the read get an odd address for that? |
11:14:19 | Zagor | the only thing I can think of is to read into a local buffer and memcpy to the odd address buffer. but that ain't no fun for 1MB mp3 data... |
11:14:22 | Zagor | aakil: yes |
11:15:03 | Zagor | LinusN: because read() copies single left-over byte from the previous sector and then calls fat_read() to read the next, into the next byte |
11:15:36 | PsycoXul | so i don't suppose any of you knows how to setup so that a loaded effect into an sblive dsp effects what you hear from the mic input... heh |
11:16:02 | LinusN | Zagor: ah, i see |
11:16:06 | aakil | Zagor: Could this be related to the fact that you need to read info a word-aligned buffer |
11:16:19 | Zagor | aakil: that is precisely the problem |
11:18:04 | LinusN | Zagor: the easy approach is to round off the seek amount in mpeg.c |
11:18:21 | PsycoXul | heh guess not.. oh well |
11:18:38 | LinusN | we don't need to skip the *entire* id3 tag |
11:18:41 | Zagor | yes, but it will bites us sooner or later somewhere else. it's a file.c problem |
11:18:51 | LinusN | Zagor: yes it is |
11:19:10 | Zagor | does the mas search byte-for-byte for the header? so a single bad byte doesn't affect much? |
11:19:30 | LinusN | no, a single bad byte doesn't hurt it |
11:19:55 | Bagder | it is a quick-fix for the immediate problem at least |
11:19:58 | LinusN | it will, however, lose the sync |
11:20:17 | LinusN | but it loses it anyway today, when playing ID3 tags |
11:20:22 | Bagder | lose? it can't have one before, can it? |
11:20:45 | LinusN | sure it can, from the previous song |
11:21:04 | Bagder | right, if the following has no id3 tags or oddities |
11:21:27 | LinusN | it will lose it anyway because of the V1 tag... |
11:21:34 | Bagder | hehe |
11:21:38 | Bagder | it needn't |
11:21:43 | Bagder | you could stop before that |
11:21:45 | Zagor | we should skip that too |
11:21:59 | LinusN | and it *may* be a Good Thing to lose the sync... |
11:22:10 | Bagder | why so? |
11:22:19 | LinusN | otherwise we may hear strange sounds between songs |
11:22:39 | LinusN | because of the bit reservoir and stuff |
11:22:49 | Zagor | are you sure about that? |
11:22:55 | Bagder | I think it would be better to skip the tags anyway and possibly go off sync on purpose |
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11:23:18 | LinusN | but the noise would probably not be very audible |
11:26:06 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
11:26:22 | Topic | "rockbox - why make it harder?" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) |
11:26:45 | Zagor | I like "how hard can it be?" |
11:26:55 | Topic | "rockbox - how hard can it be?" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) |
11:26:58 | Bagder | :-) |
11:31:06 | Zagor | LinusN: can we do an 8-bit access to ATA_DATA ? |
11:32:09 | LinusN | i don't think so |
11:32:28 | LinusN | and why would we want that? |
11:34:35 | LinusN | i'd rather have read() return an error when the buffer address is odd |
11:34:54 | Bagder | we need to support lseek() to an odd index |
11:35:05 | Bagder | imho |
11:36:18 | LinusN | but i'd rather not impede performance because of it |
11:36:31 | Bagder | true |
11:36:41 | Bagder | we need to detect the special occation somehow |
11:38:45 | Zagor | we can read just the first and last byte of the sector 8-bit and the rest 16-bit. that wouldn't affect performance. |
11:39:07 | Zagor | but i guess the ata interface doesn't work like that :-) |
11:40:09 | LinusN | i'm sure it doesn't |
11:52:11 | Zagor | hmm... we have the exact same problem in id3.c |
11:52:46 | aakil | Hmmmm... it looks like the two bytes are being swapped due to endianness. Does the result buffer for swap.b also need to be word aligned? |
11:54:20 | Zagor | that's not really relevant, since it's the storing of the 16-bit word in the odd address that crashes |
11:55:07 | Zagor | the result buffer is a register :-) |
11:55:58 | LinusN | Zagor: an odd-address aware ATA read loop will do it |
11:56:16 | LinusN | read 16 bits, write two bytes, read 16 bits... |
11:56:35 | Zagor | yes. will be slow, though :( |
11:56:38 | LinusN | slow, yes, but non-crashing |
11:56:45 | Zagor | yup |
11:56:54 | LinusN | and it will only choose to do it if the buffer address is odd |
11:57:04 | Zagor | i'll test it |
11:57:21 | LinusN | so it will have one fast and one slow loop, and choose between them |
11:58:02 | LinusN | it can even be smarter than that, by shifting the register contents |
11:59:40 | Zagor | umm, you got some code for that? sounds too complex to be fast in my ears |
12:00 |
12:00:29 | LinusN | i don't. it would probably require some assembler code |
12:04:26 | LinusN | Still, the mpeg code must make sure that it doesn't seek() an odd number of bytes |
12:04:39 | LinusN | for performance reasons |
12:09:36 | Zagor | the dma is 16-bit, right? |
12:10:04 | LinusN | yes |
12:10:07 | LinusN | but no |
12:11:45 | Zagor | care to explain? |
12:12:43 | LinusN | i think it is 8-bit |
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12:13:33 | LinusN | but we give it addresses in 16-bit DRAM |
12:13:46 | LinusN | so it must be aligned |
12:14:41 | LinusN | still, it only reads 8 bits at a time |
12:14:42 | Zagor | i was just thinking how much chance we have at feeding only the exact mp3 data and no garbage |
12:14:59 | LinusN | i don't think the DMA cares |
12:16:10 | LinusN | i'd rather ditch that idea and go for performance |
12:16:44 | Zagor | now, yes. but it would be nice to only send mp3 data, to minimise the gap btwn tracks |
12:16:59 | LinusN | we can do it half-hearted |
12:17:21 | LinusN | we can load the entire file in memory, but advance the DMA pointer between tracks |
12:17:45 | Zagor | doesn't help if the address must be word aligned |
12:17:46 | LinusN | we lose a few K of MP3 data, but it may be simpler |
12:18:03 | LinusN | i don't think the DMA address must be aligned |
12:18:47 | Zagor | ok, nice then. we could just seek to the odd address and then read to mp3buf_write+1 |
12:19:47 | LinusN | ? |
12:20:22 | Zagor | seek(511); read(odd_addr); |
12:20:41 | Zagor | a little too much low-level knowledge to be really kosher, but it would work |
12:21:15 | LinusN | so the read() would copy the leftover byte to the odd address and then perform word reads for the rest? |
12:21:22 | Zagor | yes |
12:21:30 | LinusN | yuck |
12:21:40 | LinusN | but doable |
12:22:05 | LinusN | then it has to store two pointers in the id3 info structure |
12:22:16 | LinusN | both start and end of the track |
12:25:18 | Zagor | why? id3v1len tells us the end of track (adding that now) |
12:25:56 | LinusN | i am silly |
12:26:26 | LinusN | i still had the "reead-the-whole-shebang and advance the dma pointer" idea in my head |
12:26:32 | Zagor | ok |
12:42:00 | RipnetUK | are there any docs on how fotns are stored? are they store in native (column) format? are they padded to a fixed width? im talking about the normal fixed fonts here |
12:42:04 | RipnetUK | fonts |
12:42:27 | Zagor | that's being changed right now, so no docs |
12:42:45 | Zagor | not even the code is necessarily true :-) |
12:43:13 | Zagor | copy lcd_putsxy() and you'll be fine :-) |
12:43:45 | RipnetUK | ok, are we gonna dump the fixed width and prop. fonts, and go with only loadable fonts for simplicity |
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12:48:38 | LinusN | PsycoXul: ready for another test? |
12:48:44 | PsycoXul | heh |
12:48:47 | PsycoXul | sure why not |
12:48:55 | LinusN | http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod |
12:53:47 | PsycoXul | well i can't get it to distort so far |
12:54:59 | PsycoXul | 4th try still sounds good |
12:55:03 | LinusN | don't worry, the distortion will return... :-( |
12:55:29 | LinusN | it will HAUNT US FOREVER!!! HAHAHAHAAAAA! |
12:56:27 | LinusN | Zagor: i thought you did the checksum thing with the Player settings saver? |
12:56:35 | PsycoXul | heh |
12:56:44 | PsycoXul | 5th try |
12:56:47 | PsycoXul | still no distortion |
12:57:20 | PsycoXul | i tried charging it for a minute |
12:57:27 | PsycoXul | before the last try |
12:57:31 | Zagor | LinusN: yeah, but I forgot to actually ever set last_checksum :-) |
12:57:49 | Zagor | i'll merge his patch (or that one line of it, at least) |
12:57:50 | LinusN | will you fix it? |
12:57:53 | LinusN | ok |
12:59:53 | PsycoXul | so i read i think on the mailing list at one point one of you said a vu meter would be possible |
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13:00:05 | PsycoXul | on players too? |
13:00:18 | RipnetUK | to whoever is re-writing the LCD code - can we have a generic set of LCD routines which take a pointer to a buffer (and a buffer width) and work on those, so it can be shared between the 'real' LCD buffer, and the virtual ones I am working on? |
13:00:30 | RipnetUK | at the moment, i am duplicating all the existing functions |
13:03:48 | PsycoXul | LinusN: well it's 10 for 10 distortion-free |
13:04:51 | LinusN | PsycoXul: good news, but i just can't understand how this fix could make the distortion go away |
13:04:59 | PsycoXul | heh |
13:05:06 | LinusN | can you reproduce it with an older rockbox version? |
13:07:29 | LinusN | PsycoXul: the MAS3507D doesn't have any registers where we can read the current output energy (for a VU meter) |
13:08:00 | PsycoXul | and thats how you'd do it on the recorder? there's no other tricks? |
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13:11:17 | LinusN | PsycoXul: no other tricks. There are two registers (Left and Right) for exactly that purpose on the MAS3587F |
13:11:43 | Blaster_Master | A quick question : (on the player version)is it at all possible to reduce the textsize and incorporate some kind of progressbar (like on the player) ? or just reserve one of the lines of text to graphics(progressbar) |
13:12:29 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: what do you want to accomplish? |
13:12:32 | bobTHC | he use another dsp ... Micronas MAS 3587F and perhaps it's implemented in |
13:13:11 | bobTHC | sorry for the lag... |
13:13:14 | bobTHC | :) |
13:13:16 | Zagor | Blaster_Master: there is no graphics on the player, only characters. although a few characters can be redefined to make very simple graphics |
13:13:29 | PsycoXul | 8 chars at a time |
13:13:35 | PsycoXul | and they can be animated |
13:13:35 | LinusN | 4 on the older LCD |
13:14:39 | PsycoXul | and they're like 5x8 but the bottom line only shows in double-height iirc |
13:14:41 | Blaster_Master | even a | or > like this >>> = 37,5% |
13:15:13 | Blaster_Master | would help, or just numbers |
13:16:23 | PsycoXul | we could draw a line accross the bottom of the first 8 chars .. heh |
13:16:34 | PsycoXul | with like a little mark on each end |
13:16:55 | Blaster_Master | oh well it is just be bitching :) , if you dont implement it,,, so what ill just buy the player :oD |
13:17:20 | PsycoXul | huh? |
13:17:29 | LinusN | Yeah, an ASCII progress bar is always possible to do |
13:17:37 | PsycoXul | its the recorder's that already have a progress bar i think...? |
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13:18:28 | Linus|lunch | PsycoXul: keep on testing the distortion |
13:18:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
13:18:48 | Linus|lunch | try to get it back with an older rockbox version and then try the new again |
13:20:12 | Blaster_Master | perhaps : >|−−−−-< ... >-|−−−−< ... >−−|−−-< ... >−−-|−−< and so on |
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13:22:13 | Zagor | Blaster_Master: for a 4 minute song, it would only move every 20 seconds or so. not very exciting. |
13:23:07 | Bagder | if you redefine the char in the mean time... |
13:23:15 | Bagder | you can move it more often |
13:23:28 | Blaster_Master | correct but if it is possible to subdevice each - with - then / then | then \ and - |
13:23:28 | Zagor | right |
13:23:41 | Bagder | how man pixels wide are the player characters? |
13:23:45 | Bagder | 6? |
13:23:51 | Zagor | i still question the point. numbers say a lot more than a bar. |
13:24:12 | PsycoXul | 5 |
13:24:12 | Blaster_Master | yes but , still a bar is fancy |
13:24:22 | PsycoXul | with 8 chars you can have 40 pixels wide |
13:24:41 | Blaster_Master | perhaps an option between number or bars ... |
13:26:12 | Bagder | I'd say that it would take an implementation for people to try in order to judge properly |
13:27:24 | Zagor | yes |
13:29:49 | Blaster_Master | if a cahr is 8 pixels wide and can be changes, why not a one dot at a time it world make 8*8=64 point to move around with. (asuming the char can be altered) |
13:30:04 | Bagder | it is 5 pixels |
13:30:09 | Bagder | 5*8 = 40 |
13:31:31 | Blaster_Master | 4 minutes = (4*60)/40=6 seconds for a update |
13:31:43 | Bagder | yes |
13:31:55 | Blaster_Master | THAT world ..... rock |
13:32:07 | Bagder | well, feel free to submit a patch |
13:32:18 | Blaster_Master | :D |
13:32:25 | PsycoXul | well |
13:32:51 | bobTHC | distorotion or not distortion ? ;) |
13:33:17 | PsycoXul | is there already a 5x8 or 5x7 font that can be put into defined-patterns? |
13:37:09 | Bagder | we have such a font as .bdf sure |
13:37:10 | Linus|lunch | You guys still forget that the old LCD has only 4 user-defined characters |
13:37:16 | Bagder | no |
13:37:22 | Bagder | this progress bar would need only one |
13:37:27 | | Nick Linus|lunch is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
13:37:40 | Bagder | the rest would be '-' or something |
13:37:51 | PsycoXul | hmm |
13:37:52 | Bagder | and that single one would be reprogrammed when moved |
13:38:07 | LinusN | oh, i misunderstood. i thought you ditched the −−−−|−−- idea |
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13:38:24 | Bagder | the −−−−|−−- idea needs only one reprogrammable letter |
13:38:43 | Bagder | to give single-pixel precision that is |
13:38:51 | LinusN | oh, i misunderstood. i thought you ditched the −−−−|−−- idea |
13:39:54 | * | Zagor gets a sense of Deja Vu |
13:40:11 | bobTHC | :) |
13:41:03 | Bagder | today's subscriber count is.... 210 |
13:42:31 | PsycoXul | well if you're only using 1 custom char, you can push that pixel accross the whole 55 pixel width... |
13:42:58 | Bagder | yes |
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13:47:21 | PsycoXul | ok |
13:47:33 | PsycoXul | i got the distortion back on the 2nd boot with my last cvs build |
13:47:36 | * | matsl back again with new bios and new USB hardware ... |
13:48:06 | PsycoXul | after several boots again after that with your test build i still haven't gotten it back |
13:48:07 | bobTHC | :[ |
13:48:26 | mistax | ok, Linus I'm back, I've been scandisking and complaining a bit about the sound quality issue on the players |
13:48:44 | mistax | and now I've updated to the newest mod |
13:48:56 | LinusN | mistax: try my latest hack: http://linus.haxx.se/archos.mod |
13:49:12 | mistax | k |
13:49:22 | LinusN | PsycoXul: this is great news! |
13:49:34 | PsycoXul | yeah lets see if it works for mistax |
13:49:46 | mistax | old display, right? |
13:49:46 | LinusN | by the way, i mailed a bunch of questions to Micronas |
13:50:02 | LinusN | mistax: sorry, it's new. you want old? |
13:50:06 | mistax | yeah |
13:50:18 | LinusN | hang on... |
13:51:12 | LinusN | To provide you appropriate support kindly provide us some information about your company and project (application, features, schedule, volume) as well as the version of MAS3507D you are using. |
13:51:27 | LinusN | hah... |
13:51:45 | LinusN | mistax: try now |
13:51:48 | mistax | k |
13:51:58 | Bagder | LinusN: fill in: Haxx, Rockbox, rewriting firmware, MAS3507D and MAS3587F ;-) |
13:52:04 | LinusN | and when telling about rockbox they mailed back again |
13:52:23 | Bagder | they did? wow ;-) |
13:52:28 | LinusN | with some application notes about how to use their evaluation board |
13:52:32 | LinusN | :-( |
13:52:40 | LinusN | so i repeated the Q:s |
13:52:49 | LinusN | no answer yet... |
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13:53:51 | LinusN | Freiburg, Germany |
13:55:01 | Blaster_Master | when my archos distorts, i turn the volume,bass and trebble down to 0 , reboots and turns them down again until the distortion is gone.... |
13:55:39 | Blaster_Master | the distortion disappears then bass is turned below 3 |
13:55:46 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: does it help for you to turn the treble up instead of down? |
13:55:46 | Blaster_Master | or dampenes |
13:56:12 | Blaster_Master | on werry little |
13:56:30 | Blaster_Master | the bass is the "main" thing on mine |
13:56:38 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: then you have another type of distortion |
13:56:45 | mistax | yeah defenetely need some work on the bass |
13:56:59 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: can you hear the distortion through the Line-Out jack as well? |
13:57:52 | Blaster_Master | yep, it is there also... and is not bieng affected by the bass sttting |
13:58:02 | Zagor | bah, my root directory starts at sector 0x25320... fat sure is fun! |
13:58:11 | PsycoXul | Blaster_Master: have you tried leaving the bass and volume at the defaults and turning the trebble all the way up? |
13:58:37 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: you should try my mod too |
13:58:59 | Blaster_Master | however if i put the archos 5.07a software on it is still there!! but when i use the Flat option it all goes away. i the put on the rockbox software and the distortion "resumes" |
13:59:14 | PsycoXul | hmm weird |
13:59:38 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: then you have problems with your headphones/amplifier |
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14:00:37 | Blaster_Master | werry, i thourght i had broken it, but i fixed as described klater, might it be that the new values (7dB) i added to the allready present value for amplification ? |
14:01:06 | * | Blaster_Master spells badly |
14:01:44 | LinusN | i don't understand what you mean? New values? |
14:03:13 | mistax | what volume have you got, It works fine with 74% and starts distortin at 76& |
14:03:17 | Blaster_Master | when rockbox starts up all sound values is set to 70%,7db and 7db , i asume the those values is written somewhere ? |
14:03:44 | Blaster_Master | )not now ofcourse, now it saves the values) |
14:03:51 | LinusN | yes of course. they are sent to the MP3 decoder and the DAC |
14:04:37 | Blaster_Master | what is those values i ADDED instead of set to .... |
14:05:07 | LinusN | ah, now i see what you mean. you mean that the values are added... |
14:05:13 | LinusN | no they are not |
14:06:02 | LinusN | the reason that the distortion returns when you install the rockbox again is that rockbox does not have a Flat setting |
14:08:01 | Zagor | boo. fseek() only handles 2G files :( |
14:08:13 | LinusN | how lame :-) |
14:08:29 | Bagder | http://www.ultramookie.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=200 |
14:09:30 | Zagor | what is ultramookie??? |
14:09:42 | LinusN | haha |
14:10:02 | Bagder | seems to be mp3/pda related stuff |
14:10:26 | Zagor | seems to be hosted on a pda too, by the speed of it... |
14:10:33 | Bagder | hehe |
14:10:46 | bobTHC | :) |
14:11:27 | LinusN | they say that our firmware rocks, is that true? :-) |
14:11:51 | Bagder | if you hold it in your hand and moves it back and forth it rocks ;-) |
14:12:30 | LinusN | Blaster_Master and mistax hear hard rock regardless of which song they play :-) |
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14:13:25 | Zagor | you can feel a slight twitch when disk spins up. maybe that's what they mean? |
14:13:44 | LinusN | Zagor: only with the toshiba disk |
14:14:04 | Bagder | so it rocks only with toshiba? ;-P |
14:14:09 | Zagor | yeah! my extra boosted drag racing disk |
14:14:15 | Bagder | c000l |
14:14:16 | LinusN | i love it |
14:15:03 | Blaster_Master | please make an option to make the disc shake |
14:15:22 | Blaster_Master | :) |
14:22:57 | Zagor | buh, I want to use both unix open(2) and rockbox open()... |
14:23:01 | Zagor | messy |
14:23:48 | LinusN | Zagor: ? |
14:24:54 | Zagor | my fat test code runs on the unix box, accessing an image. but the ideal test image, of course, is my usb connected archos on /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1. |
14:25:53 | Zagor | but fseek() (which I use to read sectors from the image) can't handle that big a file, while lseek seems to be able to do that. too bad symbols lseek/open/close/read are already taken by the code I want to test... |
14:26:20 | Zagor | i'll have to do sime trick like in the sims |
14:26:21 | Bagder | Zagor: #define-mania!! ;-) |
14:26:59 | mistax | FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!! |
14:27:10 | LinusN | Blaster_Master and mistax, is there any change with my new mod? |
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14:27:38 | mistax | I just pressed in my litte pin that you plug in the charger on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
14:27:40 | TotMacher | hi |
14:28:01 | Zagor | mistax: bad move... |
14:28:02 | LinusN | hi, deadmaker |
14:28:19 | bobTHC | hello ! |
14:28:21 | TotMacher | what is deep discharge ? |
14:28:44 | LinusN | it waits with the charging of the batteries until they are down to 10% |
14:28:48 | Bagder | we need to add that Q to the FAQ |
14:28:55 | Bagder | if the option is gonna remain like that |
14:29:21 | LinusN | I think we will do it a little different in the future |
14:30:01 | Zagor | Bagder: we should at least put it in the manual... :-) |
14:30:03 | bobTHC | a real deep discharge whould be great ! |
14:30:12 | Bagder | Zagor: hehe, good idea ;-) |
14:30:38 | bobTHC | with screen blinking and led flashing .... |
14:31:22 | bobTHC | and in a safemode just to drain the last electron |
14:32:01 | bobTHC | without risking the hd or register error |
14:32:45 | Blaster_Master | hang on ... |
14:32:48 | Zagor | bobTHC: why? |
14:33:10 | bobTHC | to preserve battery quality... |
14:33:25 | Zagor | these are nimh, not nicd |
14:35:12 | Blaster_Master | indeed there nis a change, now my display is NOT updateing, it is just showing Jukebox ver : 5.06, but im able to play music ... |
14:35:21 | LinusN | Bagder: what keys are used on the sims these days? |
14:35:34 | Bagder | the same as before |
14:35:38 | Zagor | same as always, just a few new optional |
14:35:39 | Bagder | I never remember them ;-) |
14:35:46 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: hang on... |
14:36:07 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: dosnload again |
14:36:11 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: download again |
14:36:14 | Blaster_Master | same url ? |
14:36:17 | LinusN | yes |
14:36:42 | LinusN | Bagder: but i thought we changed them to avoid the numeric keypad |
14:37:01 | Bagder | LinusN: we added some keys yes, so you can use the new ones too |
14:37:15 | Bagder | I can't remember those either ;-) |
14:38:30 | Blaster_Master | yes, now the display works, what am i looking for ? distortion fix ? |
14:40:03 | bobTHC | zagor : NiMH batteries handle the "memory effect" much better than NiCd |
14:40:03 | bobTHC | batteries and require less exercise to prevent it, but requier too ... |
14:40:29 | LinusN | Bagder: maybe we should update the manual |
14:40:42 | mistax | fuckelifuck, now the little pin is hopping around in there!! |
14:40:56 | Bagder | LinusN: "we" should |
14:41:01 | LinusN | mistax: open the box |
14:41:06 | * | Bagder smiles |
14:41:10 | mistax | I guess I'm gonna do that |
14:41:16 | * | LinusN looks away |
14:41:36 | Bagder | I think I've done a pretty good job just bringing the initial manual |
14:41:49 | LinusN | indeed, it is cool as hell |
14:41:49 | Bagder | I refuse to become responsible for its maintenance |
14:41:59 | LinusN | Bagder: hahahahahahaaaaaaa |
14:42:23 | LinusN | you should have thought of that before you made the manual |
14:42:23 | Zagor | bobTHC: http://www.greenbatteries.com/documents/Battery_FAQ.htm#NiMH%20memory |
14:42:29 | Bagder | people who do UI work should update the manual too |
14:42:35 | Bagder | or I'll hit them ;-) |
14:42:45 | * | LinusN sticks to the drivers |
14:43:07 | LinusN | Bagder: actually it's the download page |
14:43:32 | Bagder | what is? |
14:43:46 | LinusN | that doesn't mention the non-numerickeypad keys |
14:44:13 | Bagder | ah, ok |
14:44:25 | Bagder | the uisim/README should too |
14:44:56 | mistax | I'll open mi box tonignt with my little daddy(so he'll be resposibel...) |
14:45:11 | Blaster_Master | yes, now the display works, what am i looking for ? distortion fix ? |
14:45:33 | Blaster_Master | oops |
14:45:57 | mistax | can't test any more today cuz my batteries are empty, HOPEFULLY tomorow!! |
14:46:08 | LinusN | ok, good luck fixing your unit |
14:46:20 | mistax | ... |
14:46:24 | mistax | I'm gonna need it |
14:46:34 | LinusN | and don't turn it on until you have fixed it |
14:46:47 | LinusN | that little pin might shortcut something |
14:46:54 | mistax | yeah I know |
14:49:02 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: yes, see if there is any change in the distortion |
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14:49:22 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Zagor|away |
14:53:04 | Blaster_Master | no distortion:) but i dident have any to begin with, i told you i fixed it . and i fannkly dont know how to reproduce the problem |
14:54:23 | LinusN | ok, fine then |
14:54:34 | LinusN | i'll commit my changes and hope for the best |
14:54:52 | LinusN | thanks for you help |
14:55:27 | Blaster_Master | anytime |
14:57:01 | Blaster_Master | this might sound like bull, but i think the general sound quality improoved .... |
14:57:31 | LinusN | it may very well be so |
14:57:49 | Blaster_Master | what did you do ? |
14:58:01 | Blaster_Master | magic ? |
14:58:17 | LinusN | i wrote 0 to a register in the DAC that is 0 by default at powerup :-) |
14:58:57 | LinusN | and i flipped the WSEN pin before initializing the MAS3507D, to reset it |
14:59:46 | LinusN | the DAC write ensured that the sample data from the MAS is interpreted correctly and not being shifted one bit |
14:59:55 | Blaster_Master | perhaps it gets odd readings at startup (tri-stated signals) |
14:59:58 | LinusN | that might have been the disatortion problem |
15:00 |
15:00:28 | Blaster_Master | ok |
15:00:30 | LinusN | the MAS reset was because it seemed to ignore the PLL settings otherwise |
15:00:42 | LinusN | and played the music at the wrong pitch |
15:00:45 | RipnetUK | woohoo :) got fonts rendering on my scrollboxes - ive had a thought, the actual buffer can be treated as a scrollbox, with its buffer* happening to be the real LCD buffer, and then we can use the same print/line drawing etc routines for both... what dya think? |
15:02:30 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
15:02:30 | * | Bagder doesn't get it |
15:03:15 | RipnetUK | badger - you mean me? |
15:03:23 | Bagder | yes ;-) |
15:03:29 | Mode | "#rockbox -o adi|work " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
15:05:44 | RipnetUK | what I have done is defiend a struct for the scrollbox info, buffer address, size, current scroll pos, position on screen etc, so we can have mroe than 1 of them. I ahve copied and hacked the line drawing stuff, the SET_PIXEL and CLEAR_PIXEL macros, to take a new first param - a * to the struct, and they now work on those. If we have one where the buffer is the real lcd_buffer, and the width is LCD_WIDTH aetc, those generic routines i made/nicked will |
15:06:02 | RipnetUK | ive also got a draw_scrollbox function, which renders it, and is called from lcd_update, |
15:06:29 | RipnetUK | all working nicely... im a bit worried about the ongoing changes to lcd.c... but im having fun, and my c is all coming back to me now |
15:06:49 | Bagder | right, so you can basicly set a pointer to refer to the frame buffer of your choice? |
15:08:15 | RipnetUK | yes, but its slightly mroe complex than that, because the drawing routines need to know the size (x,y) of the buffer to calculate the correct addresses for a given x,y |
15:08:30 | Bagder | right, I was simplifying |
15:08:48 | Bagder | I think it is the right way to proceed |
15:09:07 | LinusN | RipnetUK: so lcd_update is a little more complex now? |
15:09:18 | RipnetUK | cool :) im now going to work on getting it scrolling, and then hook it into tree.c so we can have the entire ist scrolling back and forth... |
15:09:59 | RipnetUK | linux - actually, lcd_update just calls my draw_all_scrollboxes, thats the only change. It copies all the scrollboxes (1 at the mo) into the real buffer, before it does its hardware magic to display it |
15:10:17 | LinusN | i'm worried about performance |
15:10:20 | RipnetUK | i think it would be too complex if we have multiple buffers to check each pixel to see which buffer it is in |
15:10:20 | Bagder | yes, lcd_update() still reads the same frame buffer, right? |
15:10:43 | RipnetUK | yeah, but we could find out which region (scrollbox) a given x,y is in as we render the pixels, if my way is too slow |
15:10:51 | Bagder | yes |
15:11:02 | RipnetUK | after i get it scrolling left/right, im gonna try it on real hardware... |
15:11:07 | Bagder | LinusN: it doesn't change performance unless you scroll a lot |
15:11:33 | LinusN | oh? |
15:11:43 | Bagder | since lcd_update() still works as today |
15:12:00 | RipnetUK | im copying bit-by-bit at the moment, so there is toom for optimization there by doing it byte-by-byte like lcd_bitmap does |
15:12:29 | Bagder | RipnetUK: also, you're likely to want to use the lcd_update_rect() from the scroll thread |
15:12:37 | LinusN | but lcd_update copies the scrollboxes to the framebuffer before updating, right? |
15:12:45 | Bagder | yes |
15:12:47 | * | Blaster_Master goes away |
15:12:53 | LinusN | by Blaster_Master |
15:12:56 | LinusN | bye |
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15:13:06 | Bagder | LinusN: of course that takes time |
15:13:07 | LinusN | Bagder: so then there is worse performance |
15:13:13 | Bagder | huh? |
15:13:22 | Bagder | there's no scroll today, so of course a scroll takes more time than none |
15:13:25 | TotMacher | what is the disortion problem ? |
15:13:41 | LinusN | TotMacher: some player units have crappy sound with rockbox |
15:13:48 | TotMacher | ahh |
15:13:48 | TotMacher | ok |
15:14:11 | Bagder | however, if the scrollbox is a pre-written buffer the scrolling is only done with thay copy without lcd_puts() being used |
15:14:17 | LinusN | Bagder: all i want is that lcd_update takes the same time as today when no scrolling is done |
15:14:42 | Bagder | LinusN: yes, and I believe it will |
15:15:03 | LinusN | RipnetUK: copying bit-by-bit??? |
15:15:41 | Bagder | bit by bit is gonna be very slow |
15:16:19 | LinusN | how about using lcd_bitmap()? |
15:16:44 | Bagder | no, writing a custom one is much faster |
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15:16:57 | Lowfiler | hi |
15:16:58 | Bagder | and works on >16 pixels height ;-) |
15:17:04 | LinusN | hi Lowfiler |
15:17:05 | Lowfiler | webmaster here? :) |
15:17:10 | LinusN | we are here |
15:17:13 | Lowfiler | found a bug on the page |
15:17:18 | LinusN | good |
15:17:18 | Bagder | we are all webmasters ;-) |
15:17:28 | Lowfiler | http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/ |
15:17:33 | Lowfiler | the two download links |
15:17:38 | Lowfiler | on the end of the site |
15:17:43 | Lowfiler | they are both linked on |
15:17:56 | Lowfiler | http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/LCDv2Win.zip |
15:18:12 | Lowfiler | one should linked on http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/empty.zip |
15:18:45 | Bagder | hehe, right |
15:18:49 | Bagder | me fix |
15:18:51 | Lowfiler | ;) |
15:18:52 | Lowfiler | k |
15:19:34 | Lowfiler | i download gnu-sh right now... |
15:20:08 | LinusN | dammit, Bagder! you did it first! :-) |
15:20:14 | LinusN | my commit failed |
15:20:16 | Lowfiler | lol |
15:20:23 | Lowfiler | ah uhm |
15:20:35 | Bagder | hehehe |
15:20:36 | Lowfiler | congratulations to your brilliant software :) |
15:20:39 | LinusN | thanks |
15:20:50 | Lowfiler | are more games planned for the future? :P |
15:20:57 | Bagder | yes! |
15:21:02 | * | Bagder wants breakout |
15:21:04 | Lowfiler | cool |
15:21:27 | * | Lowfiler wants snake : |
15:21:29 | Lowfiler | :) |
15:21:36 | Bagder | write one! |
15:21:48 | notch | Chaps, Is there a 'playing a song now' bit set globally somewhere ? |
15:22:04 | Lowfiler | i dont have the right knowledge of programming :) |
15:22:17 | LinusN | notch: mpeg_is_playing() |
15:22:31 | Bagder | Lowfiler: so, its the perfect time to learn! ;-) |
15:22:40 | Lowfiler | some links? :) |
15:22:48 | Bagder | uuuh |
15:22:52 | Lowfiler | hehe |
15:23:04 | * | Bagder looks at his toes |
15:24:00 | Lowfiler | is the complete rockbox team from sweden? |
15:24:05 | Bagder | oh no |
15:24:07 | LinusN | not at all |
15:24:09 | Lowfiler | (which is named on the website) |
15:24:11 | Bagder | we're from all over |
15:24:17 | Lowfiler | are germans there |
15:24:22 | Bagder | yes |
15:24:28 | LinusN | the "core" team are from sweden |
15:24:36 | LinusN | the initiators |
15:24:40 | matsl | We must have a game for the player too. Any ideas? |
15:24:48 | LinusN | mud |
15:24:54 | matsl | adventure? |
15:24:55 | Lowfiler | ya i understand |
15:26:44 | LinusN | matsl: maybe mastermind? |
15:27:07 | Bagder | matsl: "guess a number" ;-) |
15:27:13 | RipnetUK | it doesnt seem to slow up on real hardware, and thats without any optimizaion |
15:27:18 | matsl | hangman? |
15:27:23 | LinusN | yeah |
15:27:28 | LinusN | RipnetUK: good news |
15:27:28 | Lowfiler | ya hangman :) |
15:27:31 | Bagder | RipnetUK: that's neat |
15:27:36 | mbr | libmpeg3-1 transcode video-dvdrip |
15:27:50 | mbr | sorry :) |
15:28:03 | matsl | with hangman I could find use for my text input function as well! |
15:28:17 | RipnetUK | got my name scrolling in a window on top of the tree/wps, name is > width of screen, and graphics (a line) also scrolling correctly :) |
15:28:23 | Bagder | freenode? |
15:28:38 | Bagder | RipnetUK: *cool* |
15:28:57 | Lowfiler | is a time-off (sleep) mode for the player planned? - that would be perfect |
15:29:15 | Lowfiler | i would build it by myself if i had the knowledge :) |
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15:29:19 | Bagder | Lowfiler: there's a feature-request posted for such a feature, yes |
15:29:34 | Lowfiler | good |
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15:34:50 | LinusN | how do we describe Balance as a number? |
15:34:58 | LinusN | 0 - 50% - 100% ? |
15:35:12 | Bagder | perhaps -X .. 0 ... +X |
15:35:15 | LinusN | or -100% - 0 - +100% ? |
15:35:53 | Bagder | I prefer the latter |
15:35:53 | bobTHC | L [−−−−|−−-] R |
15:36:03 | Bagder | bob wins |
15:36:10 | Bagder | :-) |
15:36:17 | LinusN | not much accuracy there |
15:36:30 | LinusN | on the player |
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15:38:50 | * | Bagder listens to Totmacher ;-) |
15:39:18 | Zagor|away | for the swedes in the channel: http://omkr3.dns2go.com/users/guzz/hoho_siba.jpg |
15:39:21 | | Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
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15:39:51 | Bagder | hehe |
15:40:03 | LinusN | hahahaha |
15:42:04 | bobTHC | translation mistakes ? |
15:42:19 | LinusN | bobTHC: really bad mistakes in general |
15:42:54 | LinusN | "This means that the hard drive - the heart of the computer - works fast as lightning" |
15:43:23 | LinusN | (explaining the GHz rating) |
15:43:28 | bobTHC | :) |
15:43:34 | bobTHC | ouch really big |
15:45:58 | LinusN | is percent a good unit for Balance? |
15:46:08 | LinusN | -100% - +100% |
15:47:33 | LinusN | anyone? |
15:47:48 | bobTHC | 2 sec... |
15:47:52 | Zagor | LinusN: sure |
15:49:40 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
15:49:40 | * | Zagor loves when people suggest new features without checking if they are already added... |
15:49:49 | LinusN | hehe |
15:50:23 | Bagder | is anyone looking at the rolo problems? |
15:50:30 | LinusN | not me |
15:51:24 | Zagor | me neither |
15:52:50 | matsl | Is balance already added? |
15:53:04 | LinusN | i am looking into it now |
15:53:34 | matsl | I was confused by zagors note |
15:53:49 | Zagor | i was referring to browsing with the remote |
15:53:52 | LinusN | he was talking about the remote control |
15:54:03 | matsl | So I gather ... |
15:54:33 | matsl | LinusN: yes -100% and 100% for balance is as good as 0-100% for volume. same thing isn't it. |
15:54:52 | * | Bagder agrees |
15:54:57 | LinusN | ok, i'll add Balance this evening |
15:55:25 | Bagder | about the rolo, I think it would be really cool to get that running |
15:55:33 | LinusN | yeah, i know |
15:55:36 | Bagder | we could get more people into running rockbox by default |
15:56:25 | LinusN | i'll take a peek at it this evening too |
15:56:37 | Bagder | you're a cliff ;-) |
15:56:46 | LinusN | i'd like it too, to run the gdb stub easier |
15:56:51 | matsl | LinusN: An alternative to balance is to have two sliders. One for each channel. Squeeze that one into two lines on the Player! |
15:57:20 | Zagor | balance is much simpler |
15:57:24 | LinusN | still, it has to translate into one or two numbers for the internal processing |
15:57:30 | LinusN | the UI stuff is secondary |
15:57:31 | Bagder | well, with the 55-pixel −−−−|−−- bar it could work |
15:57:37 | * | matsl just joking zagor |
15:58:20 | matsl | I know. I will probably never touch balance except to test it. |
15:58:35 | LinusN | time to go home! |
15:58:40 | Bagder | see ya LinusN |
15:58:40 | Zagor | bye |
15:58:43 | matsl | cu |
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16:01:22 | Bagder | any windows users doing wincvs around? |
16:01:30 | TotMacher | balance suxx :) |
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16:28:47 | Zagor | wohoo! things go a lot faster when reading many sectors per call |
16:29:30 | Bagder | rockers |
16:31:33 | matsl | Zagor: HD related. Would it be possible to do playlist browsing using id3-tags? means reading id3-tags while moving in the playlist. |
16:31:45 | Zagor | possible, but slow |
16:32:03 | matsl | How fast can you get it |
16:32:08 | dwihno | och med tomma burkar ska vi fylla våra säckar! |
16:32:15 | * | dwihno is officially a P.E.T master |
16:32:32 | bobTHC | ? |
16:32:38 | Zagor | matsl: hard to say. you have to call mp3info() for every single file. maybe 4 files per second |
16:33:13 | matsl | ok. That's to slow I guess. |
16:33:27 | Zagor | just look at how much time xmms/winamp takes to do the same thing, and that's on a pc with fast everything |
16:34:01 | matsl | Zagor: Hmm... right. |
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16:35:04 | matsl | Zagor: I just dislike the idea of viewing id3-tags and the browse using filenames. But seems like a war we can't win!? |
16:35:28 | Zagor | i think the answer is a pc-created database |
16:35:39 | Zagor | that enables the much-wanted search feature too |
16:36:23 | matsl | Zagor: Right. We should fill the box with software that is needed in runtime. |
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17:01:38 | matsl | Bagder: Tried to get a standalone version of bmp. Followed your description from the mail-archive. I'm getting compile errors. Is this the way I have to go? |
17:02:40 | Bagder | probably |
17:02:55 | Bagder | I didn't use it standalone though |
17:03:08 | Bagder | I made it get used from within the sim and printf()ed to stdout |
17:03:10 | matsl | I see that now when I read again. |
17:03:56 | matsl | Bagder: Something for tools instead? |
17:04:18 | Bagder | yes it would be really good to make a standalone bmp => C bitmap tool |
17:04:58 | matsl | Any comments before I try it. |
17:05:35 | Bagder | not really, just copy n' paste the bmp code and it shouldn't be that tricky |
17:05:50 | matsl | OK. I'll give it a spin. |
17:06:46 | matsl | Bagder: IRC releated. How come you all answer so promptly? Do you stare at the window all the time or might there be some thang that helps you se that you are wanted? |
17:07:18 | Bagder | I get a different color on things when I am addressed |
17:08:09 | matsl | I suspected that. I have tried to configure X-chat to get that but without success. any hint? |
17:08:12 | Bagder | but I do have the window visible almost all the time |
17:08:21 | matsl | ok |
17:08:52 | Bagder | I have 'colored nicks' activated |
17:09:15 | matsl | me too. |
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17:19:23 | Bagder | time to go, see ya around |
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17:24:13 | bobTHC | u think 4x6 fonts is useable and readable ? |
17:25:24 | bobTHC | for the recorder |
17:42:39 | notch | bit small for us getting older.... the recorder screen is so small - 4x6 may be readable if it was a bigger size |
17:43:38 | notch | in fact how about 20x30 for use when driving? |
17:43:39 | bobTHC | 5x7 ? |
17:43:52 | bobTHC | when displaying listing |
17:44:26 | bobTHC | 20x30 ! it's a bit large |
17:44:44 | bobTHC | only 3 or 4 lines... |
17:46:02 | notch | but you are probably about 1m away from the unit when driving :-) Dont want to have too many crashes whilst squinting at the screen :-) |
17:46:33 | bobTHC | 2 lines max ! |
17:46:36 | notch | I think you would have to test your font size and see how it looks. |
17:46:47 | notch | I feel a patch coming on... |
17:46:59 | bobTHC | kool... |
17:50:47 | * | notch notch leaves for the sunny weather here in England... oh.. its cloudy again... |
17:50:58 | * | notch damn. |
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17:55:27 | bobTHC | salut |
17:56:05 | ah_ | hello |
17:56:21 | bobTHC | francais !!! |
17:56:41 | bobTHC | de boulogne..... |
17:56:50 | ah_ | oui |
17:57:08 | bobTHC | c kool! ca fait longtemps ke tu suis le projet ? |
17:57:20 | ah_ | pv no ? |
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18:02:54 | bobTHC | bye all |
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18:15:23 | matsl | cu |
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19:02:23 | Zagor | try the new fat code. file loading is significantly faster. |
19:03:32 | lohap | hi all i have created the menu icons for the jukebox and i was just wondering what is the mailing list so people can have a look |
19:03:50 | Zagor | look here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/ |
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20:23:18 | elinenbe | how do I apply that patch that was just sent over email? I use "patch -p0 -i file" but it does not work? |
20:23:31 | Zagor | it's not against the latest cvs. i'm working on it. |
20:23:45 | elinenbe | ah... that is the problem. |
20:23:59 | Zagor | looks like a very good patch, though |
20:24:08 | elinenbe | well, Zagor, the rockbox gods wish you good luck |
20:24:37 | dwihno | Cool done, by Hardu |
20:24:40 | dwihno | Hardeep |
20:25:09 | elinenbe | I wonder how hard it would be to make audible fast forward and rewind? :) |
20:25:26 | Zagor | not very hard, but this is a great middle-step that I didn't ever think of |
20:25:48 | dwihno | audible ffw is not required imho |
20:25:49 | elinenbe | I think when you hit stop that the audio should fade out quickly −−- just move the volume towards zero. |
20:25:58 | Zagor | dwihno: of course it is, but this is a good step |
20:26:10 | elinenbe | then reset the volume once the audio has stopped. winamp does this and it sounds wonderful |
20:26:17 | Zagor | elinenbe: nice idea |
20:26:19 | dwihno | some kind of ffw/rew acceleration would be neat and prove extreme useful for audio tapes |
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20:26:44 | dwihno | I agree. nice idea elinenbe|store |
20:26:48 | dwihno | :-) |
20:27:13 | dwihno | Zagor: that font editing software proved a trifle difficult to use... I've gotten quite far with the conversion though. |
20:28:22 | Zagor | dwihno: ok. maybe there are better programs, i just sent you the first i found |
20:28:54 | dwihno | Zagor: It's ok! :) I just had to get an X server and now it works... Thanks for the link btw. |
20:30:43 | dwihno | Is the font loading code ready for propfonts? |
20:31:00 | Zagor | no |
20:31:09 | dwihno | ah, okay... it's no stress really... |
20:31:09 | Zagor | i've been busy with other code |
20:31:18 | dwihno | ATA speedups etc. ? |
20:31:29 | Zagor | yup, and the id3 tag bug fix |
20:31:55 | dwihno | id3 tag bug? |
20:32:07 | dwihno | Is the speed boost from the ATA stuff big? |
20:32:55 | Zagor | yes, quite |
20:33:25 | dwihno | Cool! :D |
20:33:38 | dwihno | Speedups = pleasant surprise :) |
20:33:45 | Zagor | now buffer filling takes about two seconds excluding spinup |
20:34:19 | Zagor | and the player is probably even faster |
20:34:33 | Zagor | (only tested it in debug mode, which is a lot slower due to all debug output) |
20:34:37 | dwihno | The only thing I think about is the speed difference between the player and the recorder... |
20:34:50 | Zagor | yeah, there's something fishy about it |
20:35:05 | dwihno | ><))))8> |
20:35:15 | Zagor | ah, there it is! |
20:35:38 | dwihno | :-) |
20:35:40 | dwihno | I found the fish! |
20:35:47 | dwihno | Is there any DevCon planned? |
20:36:08 | Zagor | no |
20:36:13 | dwihno | Isn't it possible to do a hw mod on the recorder to use the parallel bus instead of the serial? |
20:38:34 | Zagor | possibly |
20:38:40 | RipnetUK | where is the fonts array declared? |
20:38:52 | Zagor | RipnetUK: firmware/chartables.c |
20:38:59 | RipnetUK | cheers Zagor :) |
20:39:08 | dwihno | Zagor: it would be kickass |
20:39:16 | Zagor | dwihno: why? |
20:40:24 | RipnetUK | sorry, i meant the array of available fonts, not the actual bitmaps... |
20:40:49 | RipnetUK | brb |
20:41:01 | Zagor | RipnetUK: in lcd.c, around line 570 |
20:43:28 | Zagor | hardeeps is an excellent programmer |
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21:15:05 | mistax | is it hard to desolder/solder back the main board?! |
21:15:33 | mistax | I mean is it easy to get a "kall lödning" |
21:18:05 | Zagor | it's quite easy |
21:23:38 | RipnetUK | ta Zag - sorry took ages to respond |
21:24:08 | Zagor | no problem |
21:27:00 | mistax | I just accomplished my first dissasembly of my AJB6k |
21:27:07 | Zagor | congrats! |
21:27:34 | mistax | cuz my DC conntact loosened |
21:28:15 | mistax | but I didn't dare to desolder.. |
21:28:26 | mistax | how many times have u desoldered?! |
21:29:53 | mistax | and soldered back?! |
21:30:36 | Zagor | oh, I don't know. 5-6 maybe |
21:30:46 | mistax | I'm gonna buy an external charger tomorrow |
21:31:17 | Zagor | if you have the money, go for a quick charger. they are lovely. |
21:31:39 | mistax | then I'm gonna wait till I've bought some new LEDs and porhaps some sound mod stuff and then desolder an UPGRADE! |
21:32:02 | Zagor | hehe |
21:32:23 | mistax | u've got any tip?! |
21:32:38 | mistax | have u done the sound or LED mod? |
21:32:56 | Zagor | no |
21:33:12 | mistax | ahu.. |
21:33:16 | Zagor | I mostly use my recorder20, which already has much more powerful sound |
21:33:43 | mistax | arrgh! |
21:34:01 | Zagor | ? |
21:34:41 | mistax | you betrator(alltså förrädare) |
21:34:53 | elinenbe|store | recorder6: the new patch makes me recorder go crazy −− skips to a new song every few seconds. |
21:35:09 | Zagor | elinenbe|store: really? wow, strange. |
21:35:23 | Zagor | the ffwd patch? |
21:35:42 | elinenbe|store | yeah. I am getting CRAZY behavior |
21:36:01 | elinenbe|store | it says it is in the same song, but every 2 seconds it loads a new song up. |
21:36:09 | elinenbe|store | brb |
21:36:38 | Zagor | even if you never use the search feature? |
21:37:03 | elinenbe|store | yeah |
21:37:22 | Zagor | always? |
21:38:10 | elinenbe|store | yeah |
21:38:21 | Zagor | very strange! |
21:40:27 | Zagor | it works totally flawless on my rec20 and player-old |
21:41:41 | Zagor | did you ever try the fat patch before I added the search code? |
21:42:42 | mistax | does your backlight work any good on your player-old, zaGOR?! |
21:42:54 | mistax | oops caps-lock sorry |
21:43:02 | Zagor | yup, works fine |
21:43:12 | mistax | mine doesn't |
21:43:30 | mistax | my god how do I handle my player! |
21:43:57 | mistax | the DC contact is pressed in the backlight broke |
21:48:26 | dwihno | Zagor: optimizing the decoding code perhaps |
21:48:37 | dwihno | Zagor: but if a hw mod is required it might as well be skipped. |
21:49:45 | dwihno | Zagor: but I still think it would be quite neat with soime kind of toggle for the ffw function for let's say ... audio tapes |
21:49:51 | RipnetUK | sorry to be dozy, but would you lot prefer if I made my scrollbox stuff a #ifdef, if so, where is the correct place to declare it, config.h? |
21:49:56 | Zagor | whoa! the player fills the buffer in less than two seconds. |
21:50:11 | Zagor | dwihno: you can configure the stepping size |
21:50:30 | dwihno | Zagor: already? kickass! :) |
21:50:32 | Zagor | so set it to 30 seconds and it's be very quick |
21:51:10 | Zagor | RipnetUK: if could be good during development. just put it in your Makefile |
21:51:16 | Zagor | s/if/it/ |
21:51:17 | dwihno | Zagor: is it easily configured, I mean, if a skip to the configuration menu is required in order to activate a faster searching it's a rather dull environment to work in :( |
21:51:34 | Zagor | dwihno: the config is saved nowadays, you know? |
21:51:37 | RipnetUK | zag - thanks |
21:51:43 | Zagor | but, yes, i'm working on repeat accelleration |
21:51:58 | mistax | what is that rs232 converter mod goog for?! |
21:52:07 | mistax | good |
21:52:15 | Zagor | mistax: target debugging with gdb |
21:52:19 | Zagor | it rocks |
21:53:01 | dwihno | Zagor: I know, but if I listen to a 5 minute track and then switch to an audio tape, I need to go to the configuration and modify the settings... |
21:53:10 | mistax | and the line in 2 way serial port mod?! |
21:53:36 | dwihno | Zagor: ffw speed should be togglable with let's say a function button |
21:56:08 | Zagor | dwihno: no. it's too special and underused to be on such an important function. how often do you toggle search speed on your cd player? |
21:56:19 | Zagor | accelleration and step size config will be enough |
21:56:41 | dwihno | Zagor: how often do you have several audio books on CD? :) |
21:56:43 | Zagor | mistax: that's what you use for gdb debugging |
21:57:03 | mistax | ok.. |
21:57:30 | Zagor | going out a bit, back soon |
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22:14:18 | mistax | Linus, have u done the sound or LED mod?! |
22:14:53 | LinusN | mistax: what sound or LED mod? |
22:15:06 | mistax | www.mctubster.com |
22:16:16 | LinusN | ah, no |
22:16:31 | LinusN | i remember we talked about this, yes |
22:16:54 | mistax | we did? |
22:17:59 | LinusN | yeah, you were sitting in your country house |
22:18:22 | LinusN | and we looked at leds on www.elfa.se |
22:18:29 | mistax | yeeeees |
22:18:38 | LinusN | or am i mistaken? |
22:19:13 | mistax | well as you maybe recall I earlier today presssed in my DC contact on my JB6k |
22:19:30 | mistax | and opened my jukebox |
22:19:45 | mistax | but didn't dare to desolder |
22:20:07 | LinusN | ok, is it still open? |
22:20:34 | mistax | cuz I think I'm first gonna get LEDs and porhaps sound mod stuff and fix my DC contact all in one smäll |
22:20:47 | mistax | no, I closed it up, why? |
22:21:08 | LinusN | i wanted to see the markings on the DAC and MAS chips |
22:21:19 | mistax | ARRGH! |
22:21:37 | mistax | maybe, MAYBE I'll open it tomorrow.. |
22:22:17 | LinusN | no rush |
22:22:50 | mistax | ok, have u desoldered it any time? |
22:23:03 | LinusN | i've lost count |
22:23:39 | mistax | so it's easy?1 |
22:24:20 | LinusN | yes, with a godd, hot soldering iron |
22:24:22 | LinusN | good |
22:25:54 | mistax | have u ever got a "kall lödning" |
22:26:08 | LinusN | and some soder-wick (don't know what it's called) |
22:26:17 | LinusN | tennfläta |
22:27:48 | LinusN | kall-lödning? jodå, lots of times |
22:28:29 | mistax | tennfläta what is that? |
22:30:34 | LinusN | it's a copper plait (fläta) that absorbs the melted solder |
22:32:48 | mistax | it's like a type of "tenn sug"?! |
22:33:31 | LinusN | it replaces the sucker :-) |
22:38:12 | mistax | right =) |
22:56:17 | Hes | Fast forward/reverse - excellent !!! |
22:57:49 | mistax | where do u buy a good "tenn fläta"?! |
22:58:23 | LinusN | mistax: elfa, for example |
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23:03:00 | | Nick Zagor|out is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
23:03:00 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Zagor |
23:04:20 | Zagor | elinenbe|store: still getting crazy behaviour? did you run the bleeding edge or compile yourself? |
23:08:28 | mistax | ok |
23:08:53 | LinusN | Zagor: did you reset the config block version to 0? |
23:09:54 | Zagor | yes, we never understood why you bumped it |
23:10:04 | | Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) |
23:10:20 | Bagder | evening |
23:10:21 | Zagor | and added two bytes for contrast |
23:10:30 | Zagor | evening |
23:10:50 | LinusN | the reason was to make sure that the checksum check fails on older versions that has the contrast setting set to 0 |
23:11:06 | LinusN | the double contrast was a mistake |
23:11:32 | LinusN | to avoud that bug report we got anyway |
23:11:54 | LinusN | i just couldn't understand why he got contrast=0 |
23:12:03 | LinusN | as i had taken countermeasures |
23:12:05 | Zagor | ok, so we should set it back to 1? |
23:12:19 | LinusN | yes |
23:12:37 | LinusN | i'll do that |
23:12:42 | Zagor | good |
23:13:33 | mistax | linus:http://www.elfa.se/elfa/produkter/se/20/2019145.htm |
23:13:39 | mistax | which should I buy?! |
23:16:10 | LinusN | i can't reach elfa.se right now |
23:23:02 | mistax | ok |
23:32:17 | | Part LinusN |
23:42:37 | RipnetUK | does sleep implicitly yield as well? i assume it is a kind of 'yield and I do not want to be called again for x seconds' is that correct? |
23:42:58 | dwihno | Yay! |
23:43:02 | dwihno | Warcraft 3 sure is addictive |
23:43:06 | Zagor | RipnetUK: yes |
23:43:10 | RipnetUK | thanks Zagor |