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| 00:03:02 | Jet8810 | hi |
| 00:03:31 | Jet8810 | i just got a archos mp3 jukebox studio 20 and i am interested in yoru firmware |
| 00:03:43 | Jet8810 | is the UI easier/hardder to use? and what improvements does it have over stock firmware? |
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| 00:19:24 | datazone | try it out, you have nothing to loose |
| 00:20:38 | datazone | the two things i like about it so far is that the max volume is around 20% louder, and the file browsing is nicer since you can see what the next object is |
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| 00:24:14 | Dar | Hi, does anyone has info about Archos Multimedia jukebox? |
| 00:25:03 | bmidy | hi all does the mid-song resume functions ? |
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| 01:35:31 | BoD[] | helllllllllo ! |
| 01:35:42 | jmw | hi |
| 01:36:08 | datazone | west side |
| 01:36:25 | jmw | west side? |
| 01:36:41 | datazone | he said hello, so i was returning the greeting |
| 01:37:01 | jmw | how exactly is west side a greeting |
| 01:37:15 | datazone | if you dont know, you wont understand |
| 01:37:36 | jmw | right. so if you tell me, then i'll know, then i'll be able to understand ;) |
| 01:37:56 | datazone | just because you are told, dont mean you will understand |
| 01:38:37 | jmw | well usually that isn't a problem for me |
| 01:38:44 | datazone | maybe |
| 01:38:58 | jmw | no.. definitely usually |
| 01:39:11 | datazone | see last statement |
| 01:39:19 | BoD[] | i'd like to understand, too |
| 01:39:26 | datazone | dont we all |
| 01:39:32 | datazone | but i am not harry krishna |
| 01:39:37 | jmw | harry who? |
| 01:40:07 | BoD[] | yeah but you know what they say |
| 01:40:09 | datazone | circular argument detected, core dumping |
| 01:40:43 | jmw | you dump too easily |
| 01:40:52 | datazone | i'm like iostat |
| 01:41:00 | datazone | do iostat -t,da |
| 01:41:06 | datazone | and it will dump on freebsd |
| 01:41:28 | jmw | right. then don't use it |
| 01:42:21 | jmw | so is it true that everyone on this irc server uses linux or freebsd? |
| 01:42:34 | datazone | if you believe it, then yes |
| 01:42:50 | jmw | do you ever give straight answers? |
| 01:42:55 | jmw | wait don't answer that |
| 01:42:56 | datazone | sometimes |
| 01:43:02 | datazone | but not mostly |
| 01:43:03 | BoD[] | :_) |
| 01:44:07 | BoD[] | sooooooooooo what's new with rockbox |
| 01:44:07 | jmw | so tell me. what's the purpose of your existence in this channel |
| 01:44:19 | datazone | to annoy |
| 01:44:31 | datazone | except when i am idle |
| 01:44:36 | jmw | resume and save settings in the player |
| 01:44:51 | BoD[] | what does resume to exactly ? |
| 01:44:56 | jmw | and searching too if i get it done tomorrow |
| 01:44:58 | BoD[] | to=do |
| 01:45:10 | BoD[] | searching ? |
| 01:45:17 | jmw | if you're playing a playlist (like you do) and switch off, when you switch on it'll resume from where it left off |
| 01:45:31 | jmw | searching for a file in a playlist or on the whole hard disk.. by keyword |
| 01:46:46 | BoD[] | will it resume from the begining of the song, or from where you were listening in the song |
| 01:47:04 | jmw | beginning right now... same as the JB firmware |
| 01:47:11 | BoD[] | ok ! |
| 01:47:15 | jmw | but i believe someone's making it do intrasong resume too |
| 01:47:18 | BoD[] | and how do you type keywords ? :) |
| 01:47:29 | jmw | cursor driven virtual keyboard |
| 01:47:43 | jmw | i'm rather proud of it too ;) |
| 01:47:56 | BoD[] | ok that can be cool ! |
| 01:48:13 | jmw | i hope so |
| 01:48:51 | BoD[] | oh you know what I miss from Archos' firmware... it's that you can play a playlist in random mode, then when you go in browse mode, it goes in the directory of the file curently playing |
| 01:49:05 | jmw | yeah there's no playlist browsing yet |
| 01:49:15 | jmw | but it's coming i'm sure. |
| 01:49:24 | BoD[] | oh ok good :) |
| 01:49:30 | jmw | why do you miss that btw.. when would you use it |
| 01:50:13 | BoD[] | well I always use random mode on the whole disk (big playlist)... but sometimes when I listen to a song, I like to listen to the next one in the album |
| 01:50:36 | BoD[] | so I go in browse mode, and i play the next one ... and the nextnext will be random again |
| 01:50:41 | BoD[] | which is good :)) |
| 01:50:57 | jmw | ah i see.. you temporarily get out of random mode |
| 01:51:04 | BoD[] | exactly ! |
| 01:51:45 | jmw | well i think someone's put in a shuffle toggle for the F2 key that lets you turn shuffle on and off... but i'm not sure if that'll work properly with playlists because they're pre-shuffled |
| 01:51:54 | jmw | but maybe. i'll try it later |
| 01:52:41 | jmw | browsing playlists will be a bit tricky because they're never fully loaded into memory... that's how we get the 10000 limit (it's 999 on the JB), and it leaves plenty of room for caching the MP3 so the battery lasts longer |
| 01:53:30 | BoD[] | you mean it copies parts of the playlist file in memory ? |
| 01:54:08 | jmw | it just opens the file, finds the next item in the playlist, reads just ONE line from it, and closes the file... it never caches the playlist like the original firmware does |
| 01:54:16 | BoD[] | ahhhh ok !!! |
| 01:54:31 | BoD[] | maybe that's why it's slower too ;) |
| 01:54:41 | jmw | you think it is? changing tracks you mean? |
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| 01:54:47 | BoD[] | yes changing tracks |
| 01:55:12 | jmw | yeah that's why... but it'll improve |
| 01:55:45 | BoD[] | ok i hope :) btw another feature that I miss is that while in shuffle mode if I press next then previous, I should go to the same song |
| 01:55:55 | BoD[] | and it does not do that |
| 01:56:14 | jmw | really.. even when playing playlists? |
| 01:56:42 | BoD[] | wait i'll check this one right now |
| 01:56:50 | jmw | i think it does it for directories... not sure it would for playlists? |
| 01:57:44 | BoD[] | ok you're right it works :) sorry |
| 01:57:56 | jmw | cool. |
| 01:58:07 | BoD[] | maybe it was true for an old version .. or maybe I was dreaming :) |
| 01:58:17 | jmw | maybe. |
| 01:58:26 | jmw | it's come a long way in a short period.. |
| 01:59:41 | BoD[] | :) |
| 01:59:54 | jmw | personally i prefer just shuffling the M3U on the PC before I put it on... i can shuffle it a few times and it gets to be acceptably random |
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| 02:00:31 | BoD[] | hmmm well this way is good only with the resume feature |
| 02:01:00 | jmw | yeah.. i'm looking forward to having resume back |
| 02:01:28 | BoD[] | anyway there are 2 major features that make me use rockbox now => big playlists and the compressor mode |
| 02:01:31 | jmw | i like to play the archos like a radio sometimes.. just play everything randomly for a few days |
| 02:01:52 | jmw | compressor=auto volume? |
| 02:02:02 | BoD[] | yes :) |
| 02:02:11 | BoD[] | my dream come true |
| 02:02:29 | jmw | yeah i definitely like that.. especially when playing in the car, i don't want to have to stop driving and look down to turn the volume up and down all the time |
| 02:02:40 | jmw | it's a very neat feature |
| 02:02:52 | jmw | don't think any of the other MP3 players out there have that?? |
| 02:03:13 | BoD[] | exactly ! I did not think it would be done now |
| 02:03:35 | jmw | there's some very clever people writing rockbox :) |
| 02:03:43 | BoD[] | ahha ha :)) well I know that |
| 02:05:37 | BoD[] | btw do you know if there is a similar project for the multimedia thing from archos ? |
| 02:06:07 | jmw | that's a good question... but no i don't |
| 02:06:14 | jmw | are you planning on getting one? |
| 02:06:31 | jmw | i looked at it and wasn't really bought on the idea |
| 02:08:03 | BoD[] | wellll i believe it's only 10Gb right ? |
| 02:08:14 | jmw | is it? i thought it was 20 |
| 02:08:24 | jmw | i mean it's gotta store video too.. it has to be 20?? |
| 02:08:40 | BoD[] | well I'm not sure |
| 02:08:59 | BoD[] | well if I buy anything it has to be > 20 |
| 02:09:15 | jmw | i wouldn't mind having somewhere to back up my digital camera pics onto when i'm on vacation... but other than that.. not sure what the point is |
| 02:09:38 | jmw | you can always replace the HDD... some people are running archos JB with 60Gb drives now, they replaced it |
| 02:10:56 | BoD[] | yeah I know .. that's why if you have nothing the multimedia can be a good choice ... but if you already have the recorder or player maybe it's not necessary |
| 02:11:12 | jmw | true. |
| 02:11:40 | jmw | i wonder what they'll offer as the next JB upgrade.. hope they don't change the hardware too much or rockbox may be in trouble ;) |
| 02:12:14 | BoD[] | do you know if they are aware of the existance of rockbox ? |
| 02:12:33 | jmw | i'm sure they are.. it'll be interesting to see what they do about it, if anything |
| 02:13:28 | BoD[] | I think they are stupid |
| 02:13:48 | jmw | yeah they are... the firmware is so buggy i'd hate to see their code |
| 02:14:01 | jmw | and very slow too |
| 02:14:14 | jmw | not to mention how bad their support is |
| 02:14:32 | BoD[] | they made the firmware files encrypted for we can't reverse engineer it |
| 02:15:03 | jmw | "encrypted"... it's hardly difficult to decrypt.. |
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| 02:15:28 | jmw | but makes you wonder why they bothered |
| 02:15:40 | BoD[] | yes !! why |
| 02:15:53 | BoD[] | they should be glad there is an open source firmware |
| 02:16:03 | BoD[] | they should encourage such developpment |
| 02:16:11 | jmw | i doubt they're glad... otherwise why would they try to hide the original firmware.. |
| 02:16:16 | datazone | i dont think they know the world outside their office exist |
| 02:16:23 | datazone | except for sales of units |
| 02:16:27 | jmw | encrypting isn't encouraging it is it ;) |
| 02:16:41 | BoD[] | yes that's strange |
| 02:17:03 | jmw | well you gotta remember one favor they gave us... making the firmware replacable |
| 02:17:12 | jmw | hardware wise it's a pretty neat unit |
| 02:17:19 | datazone | true, but i dont think they were doing it for "us" |
| 02:17:22 | BoD[] | if i was a company that produce hardware, I'd publish every specs for the people to develop stuff for it ... that can only make it sell more |
| 02:17:53 | jmw | not always.. it takes it out of your control too |
| 02:18:13 | datazone | BoD[]: then i can build a unit like yours without having spent any R&D |
| 02:18:35 | datazone | not to mention improve on your mistakes, and sell if for cheaper |
| 02:18:40 | jmw | just think back to the IBM PC and how they lost control of that |
| 02:18:52 | jmw | and how MS profited from them opening it up |
| 02:19:08 | jmw | it's the same thing again.. just a little simpler ;) |
| 02:19:29 | BoD[] | well I'm sure IBM profited too ? |
| 02:19:39 | jmw | not from PCs.. not any more |
| 02:19:54 | jmw | just mainframes.. and the mainframes that are closed and proprietary |
| 02:20:33 | jmw | keeping stuff proprietary is the best way of making money for a company... but it's worse for the users and worse for competition |
| 02:20:52 | BoD[] | hmmm |
| 02:21:14 | BoD[] | i'm sure sometimes it can be good for the company too |
| 02:21:24 | jmw | try to find an example |
| 02:21:47 | BoD[] | well look at creative labs and their soundblasters |
| 02:22:01 | jmw | look at sun and java, they don't want to standardize the whole thing because then they lose control, and then they can't make any money out of it |
| 02:22:15 | jmw | soundblasters aren't open though? except soundfonts perhaps |
| 02:22:19 | BoD[] | they made it open somehow cause there were some soundblaster clones ... but they're still number one |
| 02:22:38 | jmw | yeah that's an interesting point |
| 02:23:04 | jmw | the thing about CLabs is they are great innovators... constantly improving their products |
| 02:23:10 | BoD[] | the fact that there were clones made it a kind of defacto standard |
| 02:23:36 | jmw | i'm not sure if they're actually open though... |
| 02:24:06 | jmw | you could say that windows is open, because the API is published.. and there are some windows clones around (mainwin) but that hasn't affected sales of windows has it |
| 02:24:09 | BoD[] | well, a little open ? :)) |
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| 02:25:31 | jmw | CLabs have a lot of proprietary chips in their sound cards that make them superior, and I think those are closed.... just like windows has a lot of apps that make windows a popular os, and those apps are closed... it's all down to packaging i guess |
| 02:25:51 | jmw | oh i don't know :) |
| 02:25:55 | BoD[] | well that's true |
| 02:27:02 | BoD[] | for achos anyway, they sell hardware not software, they should make it easy for us to change the software part in it but ANYWAY we can still do it so screw them :) |
| 02:27:20 | jmw | yeah. they should concentrate on the hardware for sure |
| 02:27:42 | jmw | it's the only thing they got semi-right (although the HD interference during a record was a STUPID oversight) |
| 02:28:31 | BoD[] | a ahah :) true |
| 02:30:10 | jmw | if we could somehow make the hardware of the archos a written standard, then maybe if rockbox was good enough we'd have other companies manufacturing archos clones that can run rockbox... you never know ;) |
| 02:32:00 | BoD[] | hmmm |
| 02:32:05 | BoD[] | that sounds like a good idea |
| 02:32:30 | BoD[] | i believe all the parts in the player are standard right ? no proprietary chip or something |
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| 02:33:00 | jmw | i think so... there are some hardware freaks on the rockbox list who could confirm that |
| 02:33:22 | jmw | i want creative labs to produce a clone.. i like their sound technology |
| 02:33:52 | BoD[] | a small one then ;) |
| 02:34:15 | jmw | yeah that's true. nomad is a tad bit FAT... |
| 02:34:59 | BoD[] | :)) |
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| 03:05:58 | BoD[en] | anywayyyyy i have to go now ! |
| 03:06:03 | BoD[en] | see you, all bye |
| 03:06:07 | jmw | cya |
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| 03:35:53 | jmw | oh well gotta go |
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| 03:36:55 | Miran | Hey, has anyone noticed their Jukebox having a greater bass with Rockbox, when compared to Archos firmware? |
| 03:43:36 | * | Miran waves |
| 03:43:37 | Miran | Hello? |
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| 04:45:10 | jmw | who let the developers respond on that survey... i mean what's the point of that ;) |
| 04:49:33 | PsycoXul | i'm no developer! |
| 04:49:36 | PsycoXul | i just point and groan |
| 04:49:48 | jmw | yeah but yer still biased! |
| 04:50:04 | PsycoXul | yes, because i've hated the archos firmware from day 1 |
| 04:50:09 | jmw | point and groan? that's sick |
| 04:50:10 | PsycoXul | and rockbox is kicking its ass |
| 04:50:32 | PsycoXul | so you're right, i'm biased :p |
| 04:50:44 | jmw | btw i just noticed something. are zagor and badger related or is that just coincidence |
| 04:50:55 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:51:14 | PsycoXul | zagor bagder and linus all own a company together or something like that |
| 04:51:33 | jmw | yeah but that don't explain why they have the same surname |
| 04:51:37 | PsycoXul | it says somewhere on one of the pages or something i think |
| 04:51:38 | jmw | unless they're married |
| 04:51:48 | PsycoXul | oh yeah i think they're brothers? ... |
| 04:51:55 | jmw | ah yeah could be |
| 04:51:58 | jmw | that was the other option |
| 04:52:11 | PsycoXul | i or maybe just coincidence i dunno really |
| 04:52:28 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 04:52:35 | jmw | yeah. not your fault. |
| 04:52:44 | jmw | you seen zagor today? |
| 04:53:06 | PsycoXul | not yet |
| 04:53:10 | jmw | oh wait it's late there init. |
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| 05:16:36 | jmw | i had a thought |
| 05:16:59 | jmw | when we get file writing, we could shuffle playlists and save them on disk right |
| 05:17:31 | jmw | if we do that then we wouldn't have to load any indices into memory for the playlists, and we would have unlimited playlist size |
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| 11:31:26 | bmidy | hi al |
| 11:31:48 | bmidy | does anyobe get success using the mid-song resume ? |
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| 15:06:01 | ironi | t-shirt competititon |
| 15:06:03 | ironi | =) |
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| 15:11:22 | ironi | so the only rule is that the rockbox logo has to be on the tshirt |
| 15:11:25 | ironi | unchanged? |
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| 15:21:10 | Joshua | hmm |
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| 15:21:42 | Jet8810 | any schance rockbox might allow forwarding and rewinding of mp3s in the future versions? |
| 15:21:45 | Jet8810 | how about decreasing the font? |
| 15:21:51 | Jet8810 | those two things would make it MUCH better |
| 15:22:23 | Miran | I think a dynamic loudness control would be useful.. |
| 15:22:46 | Miran | so that it doesn't drown out the delicate frequenceys |
| 15:23:03 | Hadaka | fast-forward and rewind are in the works I believe - they work but had some bugs I think |
| 15:23:23 | Hadaka | and what do you mean with decreasing the font? |
| 15:23:25 | Jet8810 | that too |
| 15:23:39 | Jet8810 | making it smaller |
| 15:23:44 | Hadaka | and I'm not entirely sure what is wanted with dynamic loudness control |
| 15:23:45 | Jet8810 | on a screen that small it is far too big |
| 15:23:48 | Hadaka | do you have a player or recorder? |
| 15:23:53 | Jet8810 | a player |
| 15:24:00 | Hadaka | well it's impossible on that I think |
| 15:24:16 | Jet8810 | if you turn volume above 86 percent or so sound quality decreases tremendously |
| 15:24:24 | Jet8810 | hadaka, impossible to decrease the size of the font? |
| 15:24:26 | Jet8810 | why? |
| 15:24:43 | Hadaka | because the interface to the screen is with a built-in font - I don't think you can load your own fonts on the player |
| 15:25:04 | Hadaka | on the recorder, rockbox already supports proportional fonts and 8 lines on the screen |
| 15:26:12 | Jet8810 | right |
| 15:26:12 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 15:26:25 | Jet8810 | you should be able to alter the built in font though...no? |
| 15:26:32 | Hadaka | don't think so |
| 15:26:34 | Miran | anyone know how the rockbox recording features are going? |
| 15:26:38 | Jet8810 | just reducing it by 50% would be very good |
| 15:26:41 | Jet8810 | hmm... |
| 15:26:50 | Jet8810 | well them damnit, archos sucks ;) |
| 15:27:02 | Hadaka | recording was working somewhat in one prototype, I think |
| 15:27:15 | Hadaka | Jet8810: should've bought a recorder or studio 20 - better in so many respects |
| 15:27:36 | Miran | do you think they can up the recording level to record over 160kbps? |
| 15:27:58 | Jet8810 | i got a studio 20! |
| 15:27:58 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 15:28:10 | Hadaka | umm |
| 15:28:17 | Jet8810 | :) |
| 15:28:17 | Hadaka | then I must be confused |
| 15:28:24 | Jet8810 | he hme too |
| 15:28:27 | Hadaka | do you have a two line screen or a bit screen? |
| 15:28:30 | Jet8810 | archos jukebox studio 20, 20gbs |
| 15:28:36 | Jet8810 | two lines |
| 15:28:40 | Jet8810 | well wait |
| 15:28:42 | Jet8810 | let me check |
| 15:28:51 | Hadaka | ahh, so the studio doesn't have a big screen either |
| 15:28:52 | Hadaka | that sucks |
| 15:29:21 | Miran | glory of the recorder :) |
| 15:29:22 | Jet8810 | lol |
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| 15:29:46 | Hadaka | Miran: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/ |
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| 15:29:56 | Miran | got it, thanks |
| 15:30:45 | Hadaka | anyway, the player models have so many things not up to par - the screen, no rtc, no charger control, no usb control, etc. |
| 15:31:00 | Hadaka | the charger never stops charging on those models, so it always overcharges the batterie |
| 15:31:17 | Miran | I always found mine stopped after I while... |
| 15:31:21 | Miran | as if it was on a timer |
| 15:31:31 | Jet8810 | alright |
| 15:31:33 | Jet8810 | i got the studio 20 |
| 15:31:34 | Jet8810 | so now |
| 15:31:41 | Jet8810 | you should be able to alter the built in font though...no? |
| 15:31:42 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 15:32:07 | Hadaka | no I don't think it's possible |
| 15:32:19 | Jet8810 | rofl |
| 15:32:20 | Jet8810 | why not? |
| 15:32:50 | Hadaka | lemme see this pdf, I'll tell you in a moment |
| 15:32:56 | Jet8810 | studio 20s come with the remote control right? cuz mine didnt come with one, and it isnt listed on the box |
| 15:32:56 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 15:32:57 | Jet8810 | odd |
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| 15:34:20 | Hadaka | ok there's 8 user defined characters and 80 icons available - but I don't think it's possible to make up a double-line font with that - there would be too many choices |
| 15:34:37 | Jet8810 | too many? |
| 15:34:37 | Hadaka | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/SSD1801R0_4.pdf <- specifications for the LCD in players |
| 15:34:51 | Jet8810 | i would play with each one till i found a good size |
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| 15:34:55 | Hadaka | there aren't enough custom characters possible in the LCD |
| 15:34:56 | Jet8810 | like the size on the recorder is perfect |
| 15:34:58 | Jet8810 | sigh |
| 15:35:24 | RdT|Falc | morning |
| 15:35:51 | Jet8810 | morning |
| 15:35:53 | Jet8810 | now |
| 15:36:00 | Jet8810 | do studio 20s come with remotes? |
| 15:36:09 | Hadaka | the chip just hasn't got enough RAM it seems |
| 15:37:28 | Jet8810 | oh well |
| 15:37:34 | Jet8810 | with 3,000 mp3s scrolling can be a pain |
| 15:37:38 | Jet8810 | even when they are in albums and such |
| 15:37:40 | Jet8810 | well i got to go |
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| 15:37:43 | Miran | cya |
| 15:38:11 | Miran | when are the daily builds typically released? |
| 15:38:30 | RdT|Falc | recently i found a 60 GB upgrade for the JB and the JBR, didnt know, that there are 60 GB 2.5" HD out with 9.5mm height |
| 15:39:02 | Hadaka | Miran: check the last-modified date on one of the daily builds :) |
| 15:39:09 | Miran | your kidding, where? |
| 15:39:19 | Miran | ok, so random then :D |
| 15:40:58 | Hadaka | apparently 4 AM |
| 15:41:01 | Hadaka | Last-Modified: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 04:00:04 GMT |
| 15:41:03 | Hadaka | Last-Modified: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 04:00:06 GMT |
| 15:41:10 | Hadaka | Last-Modified: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 04:00:05 GMT |
| 15:41:17 | Miran | hummm, thats impressive, they work at night :) |
| 15:41:24 | Hadaka | it's created by a script |
| 15:41:30 | Hadaka | it's just that - a daily build |
| 15:41:33 | Hadaka | nothing fancy |
| 15:42:19 | Hadaka | see the changelog to see when they work :) |
| 15:42:36 | Miran | haha 5am |
| 15:42:39 | Miran | not much better :) |
| 15:42:41 | Hadaka | "These are automated daily builds of the CVS code. They are not official releases, they are in fact almost guaranteed to not work properly! |
| 15:42:45 | Hadaka | " |
| 15:43:02 | Hadaka | :) |
| 15:43:14 | Hadaka | anyway, I gotta go for now, bbl |
| 15:43:16 | RdT|Falc | at least better than the official archos |
| 15:43:33 | Miran | cya |
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| 16:03:05 | * | mistax has just found the /me feature |
| 16:04:07 | | Nick Tumm is now known as Tebe (coyote@mysko.net) |
| 16:04:21 | * | Miran waves to Mistax |
| 16:04:51 | * | mistax dizzes miran =) |
| 16:05:32 | * | Miran prod |
| 16:05:39 | * | Miran *prod* |
| 16:05:47 | * | mistax changed hs mind and waves to Miran |
| 16:06:12 | Miran | very wise :) |
| 16:06:34 | * | mistax wonders what prod means |
| 16:06:50 | jmw | you wouldn't want to know |
| 16:06:55 | Miran | hehe, to prod, to poke |
| 16:07:11 | * | mistax gets it |
| 16:07:43 | Miran | if we find a bug with the daily build |
| 16:07:48 | Miran | who do we complain to :) |
| 16:08:36 | jmw | email the list or fill out a bug report |
| 16:08:46 | * | mistax thinks you complain to porhaps Zagor,Bagder,LinusN etc. |
| 16:09:22 | Miran | humm, the site says not to fill out bug reports |
| 16:09:35 | Miran | I guess I'll have to see if someone from the project comes here |
| 16:10:10 | jmw | what's the bug that you found btw |
| 16:10:20 | * | mistax mistax says: you shouldn't report bug report on daily builds, u talk about them in the irc channel |
| 16:10:55 | Miran | its with the resume function, when you resume a song halfway through the timer resets |
| 16:11:06 | jmw | yeah that's a known issue |
| 16:11:15 | Miran | good good :) |
| 16:11:16 | jmw | zagor is going to fix it.. it's on the list |
| 16:12:04 | Miran | Is this list seperate from the main one? |
| 16:12:27 | jmw | i didn't mean literally on a list... |
| 16:12:41 | jmw | but when it was submitted, zagor listed the known issues and that was one of them |
| 16:12:56 | Miran | ah I see :) |
| 16:12:58 | Miran | Thanks |
| 16:13:01 | jmw | do you like the resume function? |
| 16:13:31 | Miran | its great, though only on long tracks, such as 20min + |
| 16:13:40 | jmw | yeah.. |
| 16:13:52 | Miran | I like the way it asks you first |
| 16:13:53 | jmw | or audio books |
| 16:14:02 | Miran | damned minidisks just jump stright in |
| 16:14:07 | Miran | true |
| 16:14:35 | Miran | interestingly, for once, I have had to turn DOWN the bass :) |
| 16:14:42 | Miran | Rockbox is too overpowering :) |
| 16:15:12 | jmw | yeah i like the way it doesn't distort so easily as the old firmware |
| 16:15:19 | jmw | you can get some serious bass out of rockbox |
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| 16:15:43 | Miran | humm, there is one problem I heard, on exteme bass, it tends to wobble a bit |
| 16:15:45 | mistax | w00t?! |
| 16:15:49 | mistax | what players u got? |
| 16:16:00 | Miran | JBR6 |
| 16:16:01 | jmw | wobble? |
| 16:16:11 | jmw | physically WOBBLE? |
| 16:16:12 | Miran | yeah, it doesn't seem to keep the note too well |
| 16:16:14 | Miran | heh |
| 16:16:15 | Miran | no |
| 16:16:19 | Miran | the note |
| 16:16:19 | jmw | oh i see |
| 16:16:24 | mistax | my player6k distorts a bit more on the rockbox then on archos fm |
| 16:16:29 | mistax | fm=fw |
| 16:16:30 | jmw | really? |
| 16:16:34 | jmw | well the recorder don't |
| 16:16:36 | jmw | :p |
| 16:16:39 | mistax | fw=firmware |
| 16:16:39 | Miran | thats an issue I believe |
| 16:16:40 | mistax | =) |
| 16:16:49 | Miran | they fixed it once :) then broke it again |
| 16:16:56 | jmw | yeah but i thoguht it was fixed it |
| 16:17:02 | jmw | hmmm |
| 16:17:36 | Miran | ah, another problem with resume :) |
| 16:17:43 | Miran | it resumed halfway through another song :) |
| 16:17:57 | jmw | yeah that was noted too... it does it sometimes |
| 16:18:06 | jmw | were you playing a directory or a playlist? |
| 16:18:10 | Miran | dir |
| 16:18:21 | jmw | yeah...it only happens with dirs |
| 16:18:27 | Miran | typical :) |
| 16:18:45 | Miran | pitty when you quit the resumed song, that it doesn't go to the dir which the song was in |
| 16:18:58 | jmw | yeah.. also noticed already ;) |
| 16:19:18 | Miran | love of god :) why do I bother, hehe |
| 16:19:54 | Miran | ah hah, a bug... the boxes screen saver isn't very inspiring :) |
| 16:20:11 | jmw | yeah i wondered what the purpose was ;) other than to save the screen i suppose |
| 16:20:25 | Miran | heh, thing is, to save it from what??? |
| 16:20:31 | jmw | i kept waiting for something interesting to happen... but instead it started hypnotizing me |
| 16:20:50 | Miran | I thought it might have several boxes |
| 16:20:58 | Miran | and weird configurations |
| 16:21:03 | jmw | to save it from..um.. well screen burn i guess, not that i've ever known that type of lcd to burn in |
| 16:21:49 | Miran | hehe, I think its somehting to play with |
| 16:21:54 | Miran | or something to brake |
| 16:21:57 | Miran | *break |
| 16:22:43 | Miran | it would be really cool if they could get the recorder to record better then 160kbps... |
| 16:22:57 | jmw | that's prolly a hardware restriction |
| 16:23:00 | jmw | dunno. |
| 16:23:02 | Miran | if only to take the piss outa copyright companys |
| 16:23:24 | jmw | the biggest prob with recording is the interference from the HDD |
| 16:23:49 | Miran | thats true with the microphone, its a great mic, but its ruined by the HDD |
| 16:24:17 | jmw | yeah. |
| 16:24:29 | jmw | i took it to a concert... recorded it from my pocket. it didn't come out too great ;) |
| 16:24:48 | jmw | my expectations were low though, luckily |
| 16:24:54 | Miran | Ooo, I get noise coming up the headphone cord, even when its not playing... |
| 16:25:01 | Miran | that known? |
| 16:25:13 | jmw | what kinda noise? distortion? |
| 16:25:19 | jmw | oh even when it's not playing? |
| 16:25:26 | Miran | its a very faint, hissing? something like that, |
| 16:25:29 | Miran | one sec, let me check |
| 16:25:38 | jmw | hmmm no, noise is supposed to be reduced even further w/rockbox that the original fm |
| 16:25:40 | jmw | fw |
| 16:25:50 | jmw | sure it's not your headphones |
| 16:26:03 | Miran | actually, its only when the HD is active |
| 16:26:23 | Miran | maybe its vibrations, rather then anyhting else |
| 16:26:28 | jmw | hmmm maybe. |
| 16:26:34 | jmw | well that doesn't happen very often right |
| 16:26:50 | jmw | i wish we could up the ram in the thing so it can cache more |
| 16:27:07 | jmw | reduce hard disk spin |
| 16:27:32 | jmw | especially with the price of ram these days... |
| 16:27:45 | Miran | yeah, I've been looking aruond for HDD with big buffers :D |
| 16:28:10 | jmw | yeah.. |
| 16:28:13 | Miran | I want a 60GB 9.5mm with a like a 50meg buffer and is shock proof :) |
| 16:28:14 | jmw | found anything? |
| 16:28:19 | Miran | not really |
| 16:28:21 | jmw | hehe |
| 16:28:23 | Miran | doesn't seem to go above 2 |
| 16:28:29 | jmw | i wonder why.. |
| 16:28:37 | Miran | no need to go higher |
| 16:28:42 | jmw | ram is so cheap... why couldn't they give it a 64mb buffer |
| 16:29:03 | Miran | I don't think theyt can use normal ram |
| 16:29:15 | jmw | i guess the problem with caching is you reduce the reliability in case of failure.. i mean data loss |
| 16:29:23 | Miran | hehe, try to fit a 168 pin dim in it :) |
| 16:30:10 | jmw | even laptop ram is pretty cheap these days |
| 16:30:19 | jmw | that would fit in it :) |
| 16:30:23 | Miran | but do HDD use laptop ram? |
| 16:30:31 | Miran | if so, why not fit it yourself :D |
| 16:30:40 | Miran | as long as the firmware supported it |
| 16:30:42 | jmw | no they don't.. but still |
| 16:30:51 | jmw | i wish they did |
| 16:31:48 | Miran | humm, |
| 16:31:52 | Miran | all well :) |
| 16:31:57 | Miran | the solution |
| 16:32:02 | Miran | make it run .ogg |
| 16:32:08 | Miran | lower your bitrates :) |
| 16:32:14 | jmw | heh |
| 16:32:46 | Miran | anyone feel like breaking into the manufactorers and stealing the manual for coding the chip? |
| 16:32:47 | Miran | :) |
| 16:32:47 | jmw | personally i wish it ran wma, half the size of mp3s |
| 16:32:52 | Miran | haha |
| 16:33:02 | Miran | wma is no-where as good as ogg |
| 16:33:05 | Miran | wma lacks bass |
| 16:33:12 | jmw | hmmm |
| 16:33:18 | jmw | i never had a problem with it! |
| 16:33:22 | Miran | though its not as bad as Mp3Pro |
| 16:33:44 | jmw | dont think there's much hope for any other media formats though... it's all decoded on a chip |
| 16:34:05 | Miran | yeah thats what I thought, you could emulate it, but not on that 12-20mhz SH1.. |
| 16:34:20 | jmw | yeah. |
| 16:34:42 | Miran | well, I reconn you could do it, but I don't think its going to happen :( |
| 16:35:01 | jmw | i doubt it |
| 16:35:18 | jmw | we were talking yesterday about whether it would be easy to construct the archos hardware from scratch.. because nothing is proprietary |
| 16:35:29 | Miran | probably could |
| 16:35:31 | jmw | if so, maybe someone would do that... and add other decoders too |
| 16:35:31 | Miran | another bug |
| 16:35:37 | Miran | song stops for no reason :) |
| 16:35:39 | Miran | well |
| 16:35:44 | Miran | the song continues |
| 16:35:49 | Miran | but there is no music |
| 16:35:53 | jmw | yeah.. when did that happen? |
| 16:35:55 | jmw | i saw that with 1.2 |
| 16:35:55 | Miran | just now |
| 16:36:05 | jmw | can you stop it? |
| 16:36:18 | Miran | its working again now |
| 16:36:26 | Miran | it went weird at the end of a song |
| 16:36:32 | Miran | as soon as it hit the next song |
| 16:36:34 | Miran | works again |
| 16:36:40 | Miran | though... |
| 16:36:55 | Miran | the time was long then the total time :) |
| 16:37:01 | Miran | it over ran |
| 16:37:06 | jmw | hmm really |
| 16:38:00 | Miran | regardless, its better then the Archos FW, unless I need to record something... |
| 16:38:17 | jmw | yeah.. |
| 16:38:30 | jmw | how many times has that 'stopping in the middle of the song' thing happened to you |
| 16:38:40 | Miran | at the moment, just once |
| 16:39:07 | jmw | if you replay the same song... does it stop again at the same place? |
| 16:39:14 | Miran | nope |
| 16:39:22 | jmw | how long was it playing before it did that? |
| 16:39:32 | jmw | how many songs did it play |
| 16:39:38 | Miran | about 3mins and 38 |
| 16:39:44 | Miran | of a 3min 40 song :) |
| 16:39:52 | jmw | just one song? that's all you played? |
| 16:40:03 | Miran | I'm going through an album |
| 16:40:14 | jmw | so how many songs from that album played prior to that song |
| 16:40:19 | jmw | just want to clarify ;) |
| 16:40:19 | Miran | one |
| 16:40:22 | jmw | ok |
| 16:40:42 | Miran | heh |
| 16:40:46 | jmw | strange.. i've only ever seen it 'hang' on a song after it was playing like 20 songs |
| 16:40:51 | jmw | never from just one song |
| 16:41:24 | Miran | strikes me as running out of buffer |
| 16:41:26 | Miran | heh |
| 16:41:36 | jmw | yeah it does |
| 16:41:44 | jmw | but it should catch that... there's an irq for it |
| 16:42:13 | Miran | explain it then :) |
| 16:43:04 | jmw | dunno. |
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| 16:43:23 | Miran | its done it again |
| 16:43:27 | jmw | that c code is a bit hairy it doesn't surprise me there'd be bugs ;) |
| 16:43:54 | Miran | track 4 |
| 16:44:05 | jmw | same track? |
| 16:44:15 | Miran | no, track 4, instead of 2 |
| 16:44:15 | Hadaka | urff |
| 16:44:19 | jmw | eek |
| 16:44:38 | Miran | doesn't last very long |
| 16:44:55 | jmw | it starts again by itself? |
| 16:45:07 | jmw | sounds like buffer underrun |
| 16:45:08 | Miran | yeah, it crashs into the next track |
| 16:45:16 | jmw | maybe you need to defrag the hard disk |
| 16:45:32 | Miran | I'm gonna format it and change the cluster size :) |
| 16:45:39 | Miran | reduce HD spin up time |
| 16:45:43 | Miran | thing is... |
| 16:45:44 | jmw | hmmm |
| 16:45:56 | Miran | I'm going to get this thing replaced because of the buttons, |
| 16:46:01 | jmw | do you have the original HDD in it? |
| 16:46:03 | Miran | yeah |
| 16:46:08 | jmw | what's wrong with the buttons? |
| 16:46:15 | Hadaka | anyone ever turned an archos unit in for repairs? |
| 16:46:16 | Miran | the one to go right is dead |
| 16:46:18 | jmw | you gotta recorder right |
| 16:46:25 | Miran | yup |
| 16:46:32 | jmw | hmmm |
| 16:46:32 | Miran | my only 6k died and I got this |
| 16:46:39 | jmw | died? |
| 16:46:44 | Miran | HDD errors |
| 16:46:48 | jmw | couldn't reformat? |
| 16:46:50 | Miran | and major skipping |
| 16:47:02 | Hadaka | I think I need to return this unit |
| 16:47:08 | Miran | good thing is... |
| 16:47:08 | jmw | hadaka.. what's up with it |
| 16:47:16 | Hadaka | bad power connections |
| 16:47:22 | jmw | hmmm |
| 16:47:27 | Miran | they don't stock the 6bg recorder, so I'll get a better one :) |
| 16:47:37 | Miran | yeah, my Recorders also got charging probs |
| 16:47:40 | Miran | :( |
| 16:47:44 | jmw | it IS? |
| 16:47:50 | jmw | how long have you had it? |
| 16:47:55 | jmw | why don't i have these problems ;) |
| 16:48:06 | Hadaka | I don't have charging problems |
| 16:48:10 | Miran | erm, nearly a year |
| 16:48:21 | Miran | good thing I have a 3 year warrenty :) |
| 16:48:23 | jmw | what kinda charging problems |
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| 16:48:26 | Miran | hopefully keep getting upgrades |
| 16:48:35 | Miran | it doesn't charge sometimes or stops halfway through |
| 16:48:41 | Hadaka | I have a physical connection problem with the battery power if I bend the unit a bit, I can get contact - and then not - and it's not about the battery springs |
| 16:49:24 | jmw | miran.. you should use the deep charging option in rockbox.. so it only charges from empty |
| 16:49:51 | Miran | ah, but it doesn't charge sometimes, when the plug is inserted |
| 16:50:00 | jmw | does it say its charging? |
| 16:50:04 | Miran | I think some of the internals might have overheated or fried or something |
| 16:50:05 | Miran | no |
| 16:50:14 | jmw | that sounds like a connection problem |
| 16:50:21 | Miran | most likely |
| 16:50:39 | jmw | so even if you switch it off it doesn't charge? |
| 16:50:42 | Miran | anyway, its a great excuse to go down to the shop and get a free upgrade :) |
| 16:50:46 | Miran | sometimes it does |
| 16:50:49 | jmw | i suppose |
| 16:50:50 | Miran | sometimes it doesn't |
| 16:51:25 | jmw | what will you upgrade to? |
| 16:51:47 | Miran | well, either Recorder 10 or 20, depends what they have in stock :) |
| 16:51:57 | jmw | but i thought you have a recorder already |
| 16:51:58 | Miran | time for some recon I think |
| 16:52:02 | Miran | yeah, 6GB |
| 16:52:06 | jmw | oh i see |
| 16:52:08 | jmw | the older one.. |
| 16:52:21 | jmw | i got a rec 20 |
| 16:52:22 | Miran | it was a replacement for my 6k |
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| 16:58:26 | Miran | its done it again |
| 16:58:41 | Miran | track 8 |
| 16:58:42 | jmw | man you're having a bad rockbox day huh |
| 16:58:44 | Miran | near the end again |
| 16:58:48 | Miran | just a bit :( |
| 16:58:58 | jmw | this is on the daily build? |
| 16:59:00 | jmw | maybe you should go back |
| 16:59:25 | Miran | but I want the extra features :) |
| 16:59:42 | jmw | at the price of not being able to listen to music? ;) |
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| 17:00:17 | Miran | well... I'm not too pandantic if I want to be, I live with a non-charging, non-button working box after all :) |
| 17:00:34 | jmw | heh |
| 17:01:08 | Miran | if there is a god, they will upgrade me to a jukebox recorder 20 :) |
| 17:01:17 | Miran | and give me a USB 2.0 pci card :) |
| 17:01:32 | jmw | where'd you get it |
| 17:01:49 | Miran | Dixons |
| 17:01:50 | Miran | if you know it |
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| 17:02:18 | jmw | ah in jolly old england? |
| 17:02:25 | Miran | of course :) |
| 17:02:39 | jmw | i'm in NY.. but i'm british.. haven't heard the name dixons for years ;) |
| 17:02:50 | Miran | hehe, its a nice feeling isn't it :) |
| 17:02:56 | jmw | well. |
| 17:02:57 | Miran | bring back the homeland |
| 17:03:34 | jmw | heh.. |
| 17:03:52 | jmw | dixons always kinda sucked though, too small |
| 17:04:06 | jmw | it's often the only choice in small towns in the uk though right |
| 17:04:08 | jmw | where do you live? |
| 17:04:14 | Miran | Leighton Buzzard |
| 17:04:17 | Miran | heh |
| 17:04:22 | Miran | about 40 miles north of london |
| 17:04:25 | Miran | near Milton Keynes |
| 17:04:26 | jmw | ah okay |
| 17:04:29 | jmw | yeah |
| 17:04:47 | Miran | If your hearing this Dixons of Milton Keynes.... |
| 17:04:51 | Miran | I want a new jukebox :) |
| 17:05:07 | Miran | and I have a 3 year warrenty and a large pair of lungs :) |
| 17:05:15 | jmw | hehe |
| 17:05:26 | jmw | they open on sunday? |
| 17:05:49 | Miran | not sure, |
| 17:06:03 | Miran | but I'm not going to do, feeling far too lazy |
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| 17:15:11 | | Nick Joshua is now known as Jet8810 (~Joshua@adsl-35-9-147.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:15:18 | Jet8810 | how come rockbox doesnt save your settings? |
| 17:15:27 | Jet8810 | after you turn it off and back on, all esttings lost! |
| 17:15:32 | jmw | the latest build does |
| 17:15:37 | jmw | wait for 1.3, it'll have it |
| 17:16:22 | Jet8810 | alright |
| 17:16:30 | Jet8810 | how much longer till 1.3 is out for download/public beta? |
| 17:16:40 | jmw | few days i believe |
| 17:17:14 | Jet8810 | great |
| 17:17:19 | Jet8810 | what other new features are in 1.3? |
| 17:17:32 | jmw | resume |
| 17:18:12 | Jet8810 | how about fast forward/rewind? |
| 17:20:10 | jmw | yeah that too |
| 17:20:27 | Jet8810 | awesome |
| 17:20:58 | Jet8810 | i take it your one of the developers? |
| 17:21:37 | jmw | i'm writing some stuff for it, not one of the main developers though |
| 17:22:15 | jmw | best way to keep up to date is to subscribe to the mailing list |
| 17:23:21 | Jet8810 | yea just joined |
| 17:23:23 | Jet8810 | thanks |
| 17:24:29 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 17:24:37 | Jet8810 | thi sis strange |
| 17:24:50 | Hadaka | hey, what's the serial number on these units? |
| 17:24:51 | jmw | what is |
| 17:24:51 | Jet8810 | if i put shuffle on, and find a song and hit play it picks a random one...is that the normal operation? |
| 17:24:57 | Hadaka | or where |
| 17:25:07 | Jet8810 | because I would think you could pick a song you want |
| 17:25:09 | jmw | jet.. yeah right now that's the way it works. a lot of people have complained about it |
| 17:25:14 | Jet8810 | then if you hit next it would shuffle |
| 17:25:19 | Jet8810 | heh ok, ill add to the complaint :) |
| 17:25:22 | Jet8810 | 1.3? or not yet? |
| 17:25:30 | jmw | i don't think anyone addressed that yet |
| 17:25:45 | Jet8810 | cant be that hard to fix |
| 17:25:56 | Jet8810 | rockbox is a lot better then archos |
| 17:25:58 | Jet8810 | err |
| 17:26:05 | Jet8810 | rockbox is a lot better then archos os but still needs lots of work |
| 17:26:13 | jmw | yes of course |
| 17:26:15 | Jet8810 | as soon as I got my archos i "installed" it :) |
| 17:26:48 | Jet8810 | who should I email with this suggestion? |
| 17:26:55 | | Nick Miran-brb-Shower is now known as Miran (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) |
| 17:28:41 | Hadaka | the mailing list |
| 17:30:46 | Miran | Its amazing how fast this project is moving, when compared to say, the emulation scene :) |
| 17:31:45 | jmw | theres a lot of incentive... even developers need music ;) |
| 17:32:01 | Jet8810 | heh yea |
| 17:32:01 | Miran | haha |
| 17:32:09 | Jet8810 | especially since archos os SUCKS |
| 17:32:20 | Miran | its no soo bad |
| 17:32:24 | Miran | no = not |
| 17:33:16 | jmw | you would say that after it kept hanging on your songs Miran :) |
| 17:33:32 | Miran | well... :) |
| 17:33:46 | Miran | the whole unit is what I expect from the french :) |
| 17:33:57 | Miran | especially the buttons.. |
| 17:35:13 | Miran | humm, was I the only one, who when squishing the bumper and finding the unit turn off, thought it was a feature :) |
| 17:35:43 | jmw | hmm doesn't do it for mine |
| 17:36:09 | Miran | I thought it was part of the emergency head parking system |
| 17:36:13 | Miran | :) |
| 17:36:19 | jmw | heh.. |
| 17:36:33 | jmw | my laptop does that if you tap the back of it |
| 17:36:41 | Miran | die? |
| 17:36:52 | jmw | parks the heads switches off automatically |
| 17:36:56 | Miran | ah |
| 17:36:58 | jmw | just as well, i keep dropping it |
| 17:36:58 | jmw | ;) |
| 17:37:00 | Miran | useful :) |
| 17:37:19 | Miran | so, what part are you coding exactly then jmw? |
| 17:37:36 | jmw | searching, keyboard entry |
| 17:37:55 | Miran | Oo searching, what do you mean by keyboard entry |
| 17:38:08 | jmw | well you gotta type in what you're searching for ;) |
| 17:38:50 | Miran | true true, so your replace the *amazing* archos version, with something more... easy |
| 17:39:06 | jmw | well i think it's better |
| 17:39:18 | jmw | that'll really be for others to decide ;) |
| 17:40:07 | Miran | how near is your project to completion? |
| 17:40:08 | jmw | at the moment you can search either the entire hard disk (which doesn't help the batteries) or within the loaded playlist (which is much faster and easier on the hard disk) |
| 17:40:57 | jmw | i'll submit the recorder version today hopefully, the player version next week... it's up to zagor when it goes in... |
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| 17:41:38 | Miran | ah okie doke, feel like coding a full picture graphic equaliser when your done? heheheh |
| 17:42:04 | jmw | that would be nice wouldn't it |
| 17:42:11 | jmw | but then you lose the granularity that you get righ tnow |
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| 17:43:18 | jmw | but you could have both options.. or just display to a certain granularity, but move finer than that or something |
| 17:43:52 | Miran | humm, you know the firmware has a limit of 200k |
| 17:44:04 | jmw | we're nowhere near that yet ;) |
| 17:44:07 | Miran | do you think it would be possible to have more code, say in a different file on the HDD or something? |
| 17:44:14 | Miran | that would be nice :) |
| 17:44:25 | jmw | yeah we've talked about paging and DLls and such.. there's a lot of issues though |
| 17:45:07 | Miran | oh dear... humm, could you use the harddisk as say Virtual memory? |
| 17:45:16 | jmw | yeah that's what i meant by paging |
| 17:45:24 | Miran | oh, soz, can't read :) |
| 17:45:57 | Miran | because if you could get it to play different file types, then the jukebox shouldn't die so quickly :) |
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| 17:47:14 | jmw | yeah.. it's a little more complicated though |
| 17:47:57 | Miran | I was under the impression it used a hardware decoder for the mp3's, so, no real chance of changing it |
| 17:48:03 | jmw | it can only play mp3, so we'd have to convert it into mp3.. that means having an XXX decoder and an MP3 encoder... i haven't investigated but i don't think we have enough control to do that |
| 17:48:43 | Miran | humm, the recorder might be able to |
| 17:48:48 | jmw | no real chance.. unless someone can write a super compact and fast encoder/decoder |
| 17:48:51 | Miran | with its built in hardware decoder |
| 17:48:58 | Miran | encoder even |
| 17:48:59 | jmw | encoder |
| 17:49:00 | jmw | yeah |
| 17:49:03 | Miran | heh |
| 17:49:16 | jmw | but i think it's all done in hardware.. i don't think we can get a stream of raw audio and send it to the encoder |
| 17:49:28 | jmw | but i'm not that familiar with the recording part yet |
| 17:49:56 | Miran | all well, things for the future :) |
| 17:50:07 | Jet8810 | dude i hate lilo :) |
| 17:50:08 | Hadaka | hm |
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| 17:51:32 | Miran | Just thought of a new feature, a little warning box that tells you when your deafening yourself and your not realising, that and a coffee maker |
| 17:51:42 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 17:52:22 | Miran | hey, do you think we could add a gameboy feature? |
| 17:52:25 | Miran | :) |
| 17:52:35 | jmw | well it has tetris and sokoban ;) |
| 17:52:41 | jmw | i wanna port doom |
| 17:52:43 | Miran | hahah |
| 17:52:46 | Miran | hell yeah |
| 17:52:53 | Miran | what is sokaban btw? |
| 17:53:04 | jmw | you move boxes around to free exits n stuff |
| 17:53:09 | jmw | not very thrilling ;) |
| 17:53:10 | Hadaka | sokoban is a puzzle game |
| 17:53:11 | Miran | heheh |
| 17:53:11 | Jet8810 | can ya get the tetris on studio? |
| 17:53:24 | Miran | Ooo, we need ping on it :) |
| 17:53:28 | Miran | erm |
| 17:53:29 | Miran | Pong even.. |
| 17:53:31 | jmw | no.. it doesn't have the right kind of display |
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| 17:53:48 | Jet8810 | lol jmw |
| 17:53:54 | jmw | studio sucks if you ask me |
| 17:54:08 | Jet8810 | heh why? |
| 17:54:15 | Miran | the display... |
| 17:54:19 | jmw | display is too small! |
| 17:54:23 | Jet8810 | i thought the 6000 had the sucky display |
| 17:54:35 | jmw | and no pixels! |
| 17:54:35 | Jet8810 | wait |
| 17:54:44 | Jet8810 | recorder has a bigger screen? |
| 17:54:47 | Jet8810 | how much is the 20 gig one? |
| 17:55:04 | Hadaka | the recorder has a full pixel based display which is very nice |
| 17:55:07 | jmw | $280 if you're lucky |
| 17:55:12 | Jet8810 | i dont get it |
| 17:55:18 | Miran | $0 if you under warrenty |
| 17:55:25 | Jet8810 | i had bestbuy warrantee |
| 17:55:29 | Jet8810 | paid $230 for my old one |
| 17:55:35 | Jet8810 | so i upgraded for $70 to the 20 gig archos |
| 17:55:35 | Hadaka | there's so many things better in the recorder |
| 17:55:37 | Jet8810 | i saw this one |
| 17:55:42 | Jet8810 | i didnt know if there would be another one |
| 17:55:46 | Jet8810 | saw this, looked the same |
| 17:55:49 | Jet8810 | figured good |
| 17:55:50 | Miran | heh |
| 17:56:09 | Jet8810 | ugh |
| 17:56:10 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 17:56:11 | Jet8810 | i got the wrong one |
| 17:56:12 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Jet8810 |
| 17:56:12 | Jet8810 | shit |
| 17:56:32 | Jet8810 | they were the same price too according to their site |
| 17:56:34 | Jet8810 | wait though |
| 17:56:40 | Jet8810 | says recorder isnt available for in store pickup |
| 17:56:44 | Jet8810 | so maybe they dont have it in stores? |
| 17:56:49 | Miran | they do |
| 17:56:56 | Miran | but they keep it elsewhere |
| 17:56:57 | Hadaka | heh - bet 'cha thought "I don't need recording, so I can get a studio."? |
| 17:56:58 | Miran | I found |
| 17:57:06 | Jet8810 | no |
| 17:57:08 | Jet8810 | i just saw 20 gb archos |
| 17:57:12 | Jet8810 | didnt think there was any difference |
| 17:57:16 | Hadaka | ah |
| 17:57:20 | Jet8810 | didnt even see the other model |
| 17:57:36 | jmw | big difference |
| 17:57:38 | Jet8810 | sigh |
| 17:57:39 | Jet8810 | same price too |
| 17:57:54 | Jet8810 | oh well |
| 17:57:57 | Jet8810 | not a big deal |
| 17:57:57 | Miran | personally I think the recorder looks cooler :) |
| 17:58:03 | Jet8810 | nah i like the looks of this one :) |
| 17:58:09 | Miran | heh |
| 17:58:16 | Jet8810 | the only thing I really lose is lines on the display right? |
| 17:58:46 | Miran | compared to the 6k the recorder has better sound quality, same with the S20? |
| 17:58:52 | jmw | and recording of course... plus it has RTC ram (not that you'd care) |
| 17:59:54 | Jet8810 | heh |
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| 18:00:02 | Jet8810 | well sound quality on this is awesome |
| 18:00:20 | Miran | another bug :) |
| 18:00:37 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 18:00:42 | Miran | resume function returns to the first song in the dir instead of play the right bit of the right track :) |
| 18:00:50 | Jet8810 | rtc ram...? faster? |
| 18:01:12 | jmw | not really.. just makes it easier to store the settings for developers |
| 18:01:55 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 18:02:00 | Jet8810 | alright not a huge deal |
| 18:03:46 | Hadaka | the charging difference is nice as well |
| 18:04:06 | Hadaka | and I'm not sure - does the studio 20 have digital line out/in? |
| 18:04:17 | Hadaka | oh and recorder 20 has USB2.0, studio 20 doesn't |
| 18:04:21 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 18:04:23 | Jet8810 | it does |
| 18:04:30 | Jet8810 | holy shit |
| 18:04:36 | Jet8810 | studio 20 is usgb 2.0? |
| 18:04:45 | Hadaka | recorder 20 is USB2.0 |
| 18:04:45 | Jet8810 | I HAVE A USB 2.0 PCI CARD I JUST BOUGHT |
| 18:04:46 | Jet8810 | ROFLMAO |
| 18:04:55 | Hadaka | ouchie :) |
| 18:04:59 | Jet8810 | cuz i was planning on getting the usb 2.0 version |
| 18:05:00 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 18:05:04 | Jet8810 | anybody want the card? |
| 18:05:07 | Jet8810 | ill sell it |
| 18:05:14 | Jet8810 | brand new sealed in box :) |
| 18:05:27 | Hadaka | get a recorder 20 instead ;) |
| 18:05:33 | Jet8810 | well put it this way |
| 18:05:43 | Jet8810 | and go back to nbestbuy and screw twith them again? |
| 18:05:43 | Jet8810 | no |
| 18:05:43 | Hadaka | I don't have a computer right now to stick that card into |
| 18:06:43 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 18:08:38 | Hadaka | puuh, I wonder what I should do with this unit |
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| 18:16:54 | Miran | If you had full charged a jukebox and it only gives out around 3-4 hours of play, are the batts or unit faulty? |
| 18:17:00 | Miran | full = fully |
| 18:17:22 | Zagor | how did you charge them? |
| 18:17:35 | Miran | using Jukebox charger |
| 18:17:42 | Miran | standard way |
| 18:17:48 | Zagor | for how long? |
| 18:17:53 | Miran | over night |
| 18:18:08 | Zagor | sounds like batteries or bad contact somewhere |
| 18:18:24 | Miran | humm, okie doke :) |
| 18:18:42 | Miran | Oh btw, great job with the firmware |
| 18:18:46 | Miran | if that is really you |
| 18:18:50 | Zagor | yup, that's me |
| 18:18:58 | Zagor | thanks :) |
| 18:19:16 | Miran | the resume has some interesting... features :) |
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| 18:19:39 | Zagor | more than the bugs I listed? |
| 18:19:44 | Miran | but I really love the way it asks you wherether you want to resume or not |
| 18:19:48 | Miran | ahh, where is the list :) |
| 18:19:55 | Zagor | the mailing list |
| 18:19:58 | Miran | ah I see |
| 18:20:06 | Miran | then I will keep quite until I review it :) |
| 18:20:10 | Zagor | :) |
| 18:20:13 | Miran | quiet even |
| 18:21:01 | jmw | zagor.. when do you think 1.3 will be out |
| 18:22:34 | jmw | the listed issues were: |
| 18:22:36 | Zagor | perhaps next weeks |
| 18:22:36 | jmw | - In some special occations it resumes to the wrong track. Unclear why. |
| 18:22:36 | jmw | - On mid-track resume, time starts at 0:00 instead of mid-track. |
| 18:22:36 | jmw | - Ffwd/rew does not advance the resume position |
| 18:22:42 | Zagor | week |
| 18:22:54 | jmw | k |
| 18:23:24 | Zagor | when ffwd/rew and resume works "good enough", 1.3 is released |
| 18:23:36 | Zagor | (and after we've verified that for a few days :) |
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| 18:25:48 | Joshua | do the jukebox studio 20 models overcharge? |
| 18:25:53 | Joshua | or do they stop charging when the battery is full?' |
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| 18:26:12 | Zagor | studios overcharge, as far as we know |
| 18:26:27 | Jet8810 | shit |
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| 18:26:33 | Miran | do the 6k's overcharge? |
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| 18:26:38 | Jet8810 | so im toasting my unit? |
| 18:26:51 | Jet8810 | so what, I got to unplug it after the right amount of time? |
| 18:26:52 | Zagor | Miran: yes. only recorder can shut off charging by itself |
| 18:26:57 | Jet8810 | WHAT? |
| 18:27:06 | Miran | my old 6k used to stop recharging.... |
| 18:27:12 | Jet8810 | what happens if i leave it plugged it and it overcharges? |
| 18:27:13 | Miran | I thought it was on a timer or something |
| 18:27:16 | Zagor | yes, you should unplug it when it's ready |
| 18:27:28 | Zagor | it's not *that* bad, but also not optimal |
| 18:27:49 | Jet8810 | well i have left it in peretty much straight fot the past 20 hours |
| 18:27:50 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 18:27:54 | Zagor | Miran: it says "Charging ready" because the batteries are full but it doesn't stop... |
| 18:28:01 | Jet8810 | w/e i got the bestbuy warrantee |
| 18:28:10 | Miran | ah right, that explains the problenm |
| 18:28:10 | Jet8810 | what does it say on studios when its done? |
| 18:28:26 | Jet8810 | cuz mine comes up says battery charge...then says battery charging... |
| 18:28:49 | Zagor | Studios and 6k are the same firmware. I think they say "Battery charged". |
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| 18:29:27 | Jet8810 | i got rockbox firmware :) |
| 18:30:01 | Jet8810 | alright well it says battery charging, so ill leave it plugged in |
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| 18:30:23 | Jet8810 | how bad would the effects be though if I left it plugged in over the time constantly? |
| 18:30:52 | Zagor | I don't know. Batteries are a black art... |
| 18:30:57 | Jet8810 | heh true |
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| 18:31:11 | Jet8810 | cuz i mean i dont want to have to say alright, 6 hours from now unplug it, not a minute off! |
| 18:31:12 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 18:31:49 | Hadaka | did you get two sets of batteries with your unit? |
| 18:31:51 | Jet8810 | ugh im so pissed, got studio instead of recorder and they were same price... |
| 18:31:52 | Jet8810 | no |
| 18:32:10 | Jet8810 | not to mentino i got the usb 2.0 pci lol |
| 18:32:12 | jmw | zagor.. what's the max size i could allocate on the stack on this thing |
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| 18:32:48 | Zagor | jmw: not much, we run very small stacks. use the heap (i.e. a global static) if you want something big. |
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| 18:33:19 | jmw | oh and i have another question... you removed heap calls in most places to free 128k right |
| 18:33:31 | Zagor | all places. we don't even include malloc any more. |
| 18:33:32 | jmw | was the 128k just because the heap was inefficient.. or because there was a big overhead |
| 18:33:44 | Zagor | no the 128k *was* the heap... :-) |
| 18:33:48 | jmw | right so as soon as i use the heap, i'm introducing a big overhead? |
| 18:33:59 | Zagor | no, sorry. i'm mixing the terms. |
| 18:34:16 | Zagor | you can't use malloc, since we've removed it. |
| 18:34:33 | jmw | you even took out the files from cvs? |
| 18:34:38 | Jet8810 | if the batteries could overcharge you would think archos would put something in the manual |
| 18:34:47 | Miran | myabe they didn't know |
| 18:34:49 | Zagor | use a global static, it can be any size you want. it will be allocated by the linker compile-time and simply "steal" from the mp3 buffer (which gets everything that's left) |
| 18:34:50 | Miran | *mayeb |
| 18:34:52 | Miran | *maybe |
| 18:35:03 | Jet8810 | haha |
| 18:35:06 | Jet8810 | come on, they made it! |
| 18:35:09 | Zagor | jmw: no the files are still there, we just dont link with them |
| 18:35:37 | jmw | zagor.. ok this is for holding search results, and another for the buffer when searching playlists. i don't want them around ALL the time, so not static |
| 18:35:50 | jmw | and the stack is too small? |
| 18:36:06 | Zagor | the stack in most threads is 1k. main thread is 4k I think |
| 18:36:20 | jmw | hmmm.. |
| 18:36:25 | jmw | lemme calculate it |
| 18:36:25 | Zagor | how big do you want? |
| 18:36:37 | jmw | how big is the MAX_PATH these days |
| 18:36:40 | Zagor | 260 |
| 18:37:10 | jmw | well i wanted to display 20 results... guess i can't.. |
| 18:37:26 | jmw | it would be a waste to have it static |
| 18:37:41 | Zagor | maybe |
| 18:38:31 | jmw | well some people will never search |
| 18:38:43 | Zagor | yes |
| 18:38:45 | jmw | others with an unstructured hard disk will search often |
| 18:38:55 | Zagor | use a global for now, we can optimise later |
| 18:39:00 | jmw | that's why dynamic memory is useful |
| 18:39:05 | jmw | (getting back to that argument :) |
| 18:39:27 | jmw | but you're right, we can optimize it later. |
| 18:39:27 | Zagor | but dynamic memory requires a statically allocated heap, which is even more waste when nobody is using it |
| 18:39:44 | jmw | yeah but if everything pulls out of the heap, then it's not such a big deal is it? |
| 18:39:55 | jmw | the only thing we'd have to worry about is fragmentation |
| 18:40:16 | Zagor | and having enough ram. we've been through this already, malloc does not help. |
| 18:40:19 | jmw | if the mp3 cache could resize |
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| 18:41:56 | jmw | i know i know... big playlists meaning smaller cache, runningn a search compromising playlist size... |
| 18:42:25 | schmoo | jmw: allowing nested playlists might be away around... |
| 18:42:31 | jmw | although i really think the advantages outweigh the drawbacks |
| 18:42:45 | jmw | shmoo... i'm not moaning about playlist restrictions again ;) |
| 18:43:00 | jmw | 10k playlist is plenty for 20Gb |
| 18:43:22 | jmw | i just wanna temporarily allocate some ram, but can't coz malloc has been withdrawn |
| 18:44:46 | Zagor | so you're saying we shouldn't be allow searching while playing a playlist, or? |
| 18:45:33 | jmw | no.. but it could shrink the mp3 cache by 10k while it's displaying the results? |
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| 18:46:34 | jmw | also.. we should impose that stack limit in the simulator... isnt there a linker option for that |
| 18:48:32 | Zagor | a problem is that SH-7034 and i386 stacks frames are not the same size, so the stack limit can't be set the same |
| 18:48:59 | jmw | right, but like i said.. can't you set the stack limit in the linker? |
| 18:50:10 | jmw | you put something like /STACK:xxxx in MS's compiler |
| 18:50:13 | jmw | linker even |
| 18:51:07 | jmw | or maybe i misunderstood what you said |
| 18:52:17 | Zagor | maybe we can, but that would not catch the bugs. the two architectures use different amount of stacks, by design. |
| 18:52:52 | Zagor | they have different numbers of registers, different addressing modes etc. |
| 18:53:04 | jmw | true enough |
| 18:53:17 | jmw | it might catch some of the biggies, like allocating 10k buffers |
| 18:53:33 | Zagor | true. we could have 2x size in simulators |
| 18:56:07 | jmw | how much space do we take up storing the playlist indices... i was wondering if we could just shuffle the playlist on disk in the future and remove that overhead |
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| 18:58:11 | Hadaka | implement swapping and you won't have memory problems |
| 18:59:22 | Hadaka | any ideas how I could make sure that the battery contact is as good as it can be on my archos? |
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| 19:10:43 | jmw | zagor: another idea.. maybe a workaround to the dynamic allocation problem would be to have a mini-heap IN the mpeg cache, that's temporary and allocated stack-like. it might have to wait to stop playing the section that's required for allocation, but if used carefully that might not be a problem |
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| 20:02:10 | Miran-2 | anyone feel like kicking a ghost? |
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| 22:40:52 | nsauzede | hi all |
| 22:44:24 | nsauzede | anyone online ? |
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| 22:51:41 | BoD[] | hello ! |
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| 23:24:24 | bmidy | hi all |
| 23:24:52 | bmidy | could someone say me if the mid-song resume works on the recorder ? |
| 23:25:26 | jmw | it does with the latest build |
| 23:25:56 | bmidy | I've the both player and recorder and the mid-song resume only works for the player ! and it displays always 00:00 when i do a resume !! it does not update the time correctly |
| 23:26:18 | jmw | the time thing is a known issue |
| 23:26:24 | jmw | but it should still play |
| 23:26:26 | bmidy | ok |
| 23:26:29 | jmw | it doesn't resume on the recorder? |
| 23:26:47 | jmw | i'd be surprised, the guy who wrote it has a recorder |
| 23:26:49 | bmidy | but ehere is the last build that works i already try all the build available fron the site |
| 23:27:20 | jmw | did you build it yourself? |
| 23:27:49 | bmidy | jmw: and you on which do you test it ? player or recorder |
| 23:28:15 | bmidy | no i will try to build it myself now |
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| 23:40:47 | Jet8810 | wtf |
| 23:40:49 | Jet8810 | shit |
| 23:40:52 | Jet8810 | HD ERROR |
| 23:40:59 | Jet8810 | i got to open op my unit to fix this now? |
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| 23:42:24 | bmidy | i think u could fix it through the usb port under linux , isn t it ? |
| 23:42:44 | Jet8810 | heh i dont have linux :) |
| 23:42:51 | bmidy | ok |
| 23:43:08 | Jet8810 | why cant nybody write this driver usb fix for windows? |
| 23:43:27 | Jet8810 | how hard can it be? |
| 23:43:41 | bmidy | no idea |
| 23:43:51 | Jet8810 | shit dude |
| 23:43:56 | Jet8810 | so ill have to install linux then |
| 23:44:04 | Jet8810 | cuz i dont trust myself opening this up, and linux seems easier |
| 23:44:06 | Jet8810 | sigh... |
| 23:44:46 | bmidy | Jet8810: do u try the mid-song resume ? |
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| 23:46:16 | Jet8810 | huh? |
| 23:46:20 | Jet8810 | i didnt do anything to make this happen |
| 23:46:22 | Jet8810 | turned it off |
| 23:46:26 | Jet8810 | left it charging |
| 23:46:33 | Jet8810 | when i came back 2 hours later says HD ERRO |
| 23:46:35 | Jet8810 | ERROR |
| 23:46:39 | bmidy | oh seems strange |
| 23:47:45 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 23:47:52 | bmidy | but i di ve read in the faq that sometimes appears with the archos firmware too ! so it must appears like this |
| 23:48:11 | Jet8810 | in archos firmware too? |
| 23:48:12 | Jet8810 | shit dude |
| 23:48:30 | bmidy | yes see it in the faq at the rockbox site |
| 23:48:38 | Jet8810 | i spent the past day sending over my 11 gigs of pmp3s via a usb 1.1 connection |
| 23:48:39 | Jet8810 | wait |
| 23:48:43 | Jet8810 | i have a bestbuy warrantee... |
| 23:48:54 | Jet8810 | ill just take it back to them and get a new one |
| 23:49:01 | Jet8810 | hjell, maybe i can pull off switching it for a recorder! |
| 23:49:03 | Jet8810 | hell |
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| 23:50:25 | jmw | jet.. if you get hd error, just run chkdsk on it from windows |
| 23:51:25 | Miran | if, even after doing a through scan disk, you still get HDD Errors, your jukebox is terminal :( |
| 23:51:36 | jmw | connect it to the pc using the usb then run chkdsk even |
| 23:51:48 | jmw | miran.. pessimistic git! :) |
| 23:52:56 | Miran | its true! |
| 23:53:02 | Miran | I did a million on mine |
| 23:53:10 | Miran | had to put it down :) |
| 23:53:55 | Miran | though mine keeps cutting the ends of songs off |
| 23:54:00 | Miran | well, thats my fault |
| 23:54:05 | jmw | why is that your fault |
| 23:54:15 | Miran | I'm using Daily Rockbox builds.. |
| 23:54:31 | jmw | they shouldnt be THAT unstable |
| 23:54:48 | Miran | this one is :) it has the music stopping problen |
| 23:54:55 | Miran | but the player continues |
| 23:54:56 | jmw | hmmm.. |
| 23:55:20 | Jet8810 | jmw, NO |
| 23:55:23 | Jet8810 | bestbuy shall deal with this |
| 23:55:24 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 23:55:27 | Miran | hehehehe |
| 23:55:28 | Jet8810 | i may be able to pull off getting a recorder |
| 23:55:32 | Miran | heeh |
| 23:55:34 | jmw | you may not |
| 23:55:39 | Miran | your still debating this? |
| 23:55:40 | Miran | :) |
| 23:56:03 | jmw | so this HD error.. was deliberate? you whacked it or something? |
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