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| 00:17:53 | TotMach3r | holla |
| 00:18:02 | TotMach3r | i want sort by date :) |
| 00:18:06 | TotMach3r | how long will it take ? |
| 00:18:12 | TotMach3r | nerv |
| 00:18:26 | Zagor | haha. well it depends how fast you send the patch. :-) |
| 00:18:33 | TotMach3r | hehe |
| 00:18:37 | TotMach3r | i NEED it |
| 00:18:38 | TotMach3r | :) |
| 00:18:44 | TotMach3r | imidientrly |
| 00:18:55 | Zagor | then you'd better start coding now |
| 00:19:13 | TotMach3r | hehe |
| 00:19:22 | TotMach3r | how much people are active there ? |
| 00:19:28 | TotMach3r | is it C code ? |
| 00:20:11 | Zagor | yes, it is C |
| 00:20:33 | Zagor | sorting is done in apps/tree.c |
| 00:21:54 | dwihno|gone | Zagor: http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/dw-shirt2-white.png |
| 00:22:26 | Zagor | hehe |
| 00:22:46 | dwihno|gone | bw |
| 00:22:48 | dwihno|gone | bz |
| 00:23:23 | Zagor | bagder handles tshirt submissions. send the image to him. |
| 00:23:42 | Zagor | no, send it to the tshirt address. sorry. |
| 00:24:24 | dwihno|gone | I did that |
| 00:24:27 | dwihno|gone | Yay! :D |
| 00:24:28 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:24:52 | dwihno|gone | Does it remind you of any special person? |
| 00:25:19 | Zagor | umm, not really? |
| 00:25:28 | dwihno|gone | hm |
| 00:25:29 | dwihno|gone | mkay |
| 00:25:42 | dwihno|gone | Just wait until my next design is done ;) |
| 00:26:20 | TotMach3r | there is a call like |
| 00:26:44 | TotMach3r | qsort(dircache,filesindir,sizeof(struct entry),compare); |
| 00:26:56 | TotMach3r | there is the sorting done, isnt it ? |
| 00:27:01 | Zagor | TotMach3r: yes |
| 00:27:18 | | Nick TotMach3r is now known as TotMacher (tot@p508D96AC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:27:29 | TotMacher | where is qsort defined ? |
| 00:27:36 | Zagor | in C |
| 00:27:45 | Zagor | it uses the compare function found in the same file |
| 00:28:17 | TotMacher | ahh |
| 00:28:43 | TotMacher | and where is defined which keys qsort uses ? |
| 00:28:52 | Zagor | in the compare function |
| 00:29:57 | TotMacher | whats the last parameter ? |
| 00:30:11 | Zagor | to what? |
| 00:30:18 | TotMacher | AHH |
| 00:30:20 | TotMacher | ok |
| 00:30:31 | TotMacher | the last parameter is the sort function, i see |
| 00:30:37 | Zagor | yes |
| 00:31:23 | TotMacher | it isnt that complicated |
| 00:31:24 | TotMacher | i see |
| 00:32:23 | TotMacher | but it will consume more memonry |
| 00:32:25 | TotMacher | i see |
| 00:32:36 | TotMacher | there is no entry for last modified date in entry record |
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| 00:34:28 | TotMacher | hehe |
| 00:34:34 | adi|dads | zagor you around? |
| 00:34:35 | TotMacher | i think i need cvs acces :) |
| 00:34:44 | adi|dads | TotMacher why? |
| 00:34:59 | TotMacher | ahh |
| 00:35:02 | TotMacher | i mean |
| 00:35:11 | TotMacher | a cvs checkout |
| 00:35:16 | TotMacher | it want to code :) |
| 00:35:18 | TotMacher | :)) |
| 00:35:28 | adi|dads | hehehe |
| 00:35:36 | adi|dads | directions for co are on the web ;) |
| 00:35:43 | adi|dads | and _everyone_ is free to code :) |
| 00:35:43 | Zagor | adi|dads: yup, i'm here |
| 00:35:58 | adi|dads | oky.. zag, do you know the current state of Rolo? |
| 00:36:01 | TotMacher | where can i get a c compiler ? |
| 00:36:08 | adi|dads | as far as i remember it ddn't work on the records no? |
| 00:36:11 | Zagor | TotMacher: for windows? |
| 00:36:14 | adi|dads | TotMacher what platform |
| 00:36:14 | TotMacher | yes |
| 00:36:17 | TotMacher | win32 |
| 00:36:34 | Zagor | adi|dads: rwood has bought a recorder to work on it :-) |
| 00:39:06 | Zagor | TotMacher: you will need to change firmware/common/dir.c to add date info to the structs |
| 00:41:06 | adi|dads | okay.. so currently, its in developement on the recorder |
| 00:41:12 | adi|dads | and works on the player right? |
| 00:41:18 | Zagor | yes |
| 00:41:21 | adi|dads | okay :) |
| 00:41:28 | Zagor | that's the last I heard, anyway. haven't tested myself yet. |
| 00:42:20 | adi|dads | on the player,is Rolo part of the base code? |
| 00:42:28 | adi|dads | or is it a patch that needs to be applied? |
| 00:42:28 | Zagor | no |
| 00:43:16 | Zagor | his patch wasn't optimal, since it used dynamic relocation. we'll be using static relocation, just like the IRAM code |
| 00:43:30 | adi|dads | nods |
| 00:43:36 | TotMacher | örgs |
| 00:44:04 | TotMacher | i think i will wait for the patch :) |
| 00:44:10 | Zagor | hehe |
| 00:45:12 | TotMacher | just programming in java :) |
| 00:45:33 | TotMacher | lets program a VM for jukebox |
| 00:45:37 | TotMacher | then ill code :) |
| 00:51:00 | adi|dads | zagor.. can you commit this Faq for me? |
| 00:51:06 | adi|dads | im on a win machine and cant |
| 00:51:10 | Zagor | sure |
| 00:52:26 | adi|dads | you have to change case i assume on the name... |
| 00:52:27 | adi|dads | ty |
| 00:52:42 | Zagor | np |
| 00:53:41 | adi|dads | okay.. gotta go make dinner :) |
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| 00:55:55 | TotMacher | tetris is too hard :) |
| 00:56:03 | Zagor | naah |
| 00:56:19 | TotMacher | hehe |
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| 06:36:21 | dwihno|gone | Whoa. Misa not like sleeping too little |
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| 06:47:33 | MeRWiN | hey Adi |
| 06:48:07 | MeRWiN | Addy-moss |
| 06:48:17 | adi|dads | howdy |
| 06:48:21 | adi|dads | close ;) |
| 06:48:30 | MeRWiN | mass? |
| 06:48:32 | adi|dads | Ah-dee-A-mos |
| 06:48:41 | MeRWiN | what does it mean? |
| 06:48:44 | * | adi|dads shrugs |
| 06:48:53 | adi|dads | its a bastardization of a song title |
| 06:48:56 | MeRWiN | ah |
| 06:48:59 | MeRWiN | what title? |
| 06:49:00 | adi|dads | Zagor knows the artist.. i forget :) |
| 06:49:11 | adi|dads | Adidimas i belive |
| 06:49:14 | adi|dads | i don't have the cd here |
| 06:49:17 | MeRWiN | heh |
| 06:49:21 | MeRWiN | how's the car going? |
| 06:49:25 | adi|dads | dunno |
| 06:49:27 | adi|dads | the wife has mine |
| 06:49:39 | adi|dads | her insurance adjuster 'was not going to be in today' |
| 06:49:43 | MeRWiN | damn |
| 06:49:52 | MeRWiN | i hate insurance adjusters |
| 06:50:00 | adi|dads | so i talked to the body shop, they won't do an estimate until they have an adjuster there to go through it with them. |
| 06:50:05 | adi|dads | nods |
| 06:50:19 | adi|dads | but its a new car, so hopefully we only have the deductable |
| 06:50:25 | adi|dads | cause i don't think the car is totaled |
| 06:50:37 | MeRWiN | it'll take a lot to total a new car |
| 06:50:41 | adi|dads | nods |
| 06:50:47 | adi|dads | but there is frame damage |
| 06:50:53 | adi|dads | the front end is repairable |
| 06:51:06 | adi|dads | but the passenger door was hard to open, so the frame needs to be pulled. |
| 06:51:07 | MeRWiN | frame damage is easily up to $4000 in itself :) |
| 06:51:33 | adi|dads | it was either the frame or the quarter panel pushing into it |
| 06:51:36 | adi|dads | im not sure which |
| 06:51:50 | MeRWiN | either way, it'll probably only be the deductable |
| 06:52:00 | adi|dads | but now that i think about it... i could open the back passenger door |
| 06:52:06 | adi|dads | so i lean towards 1/4 panel |
| 06:52:28 | adi|dads | either way, im trapped at my fathers |
| 06:52:36 | MeRWiN | heh |
| 06:52:39 | * | MeRWiN is sorry |
| 06:52:42 | adi|dads | and dealing with a gf that is trying to be as kind as she can |
| 06:53:00 | adi|dads | id almost rather have her go off on me ;) |
| 06:53:16 | adi|dads | so you all settled in Wayne now? |
| 06:53:31 | MeRWiN | I'm south of wayne I think... |
| 06:53:42 | MeRWiN | totowa, nj |
| 06:53:52 | adi|dads | nods |
| 06:53:58 | adi|dads | i know where that is :) |
| 06:54:03 | MeRWiN | i hate the garden state parkway... frickin' $0.35 every 2 miles :) |
| 06:54:22 | adi|dads | lol |
| 06:54:25 | adi|dads | you get used to it ;) |
| 06:54:57 | MeRWiN | hopefully i won't have to get used to it. heh |
| 06:56:31 | adi|dads | hehehe |
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| 07:09:17 | MeRWiN | adi: how close are you to finishing the icons? |
| 07:10:36 | adi|dads | right now.. 2-3 wks :) |
| 07:10:42 | adi|dads | so if you want them... hammer away mate |
| 07:10:51 | adi|dads | im trapped here for a week min |
| 07:10:53 | adi|dads | 2 wks possible |
| 07:11:26 | MeRWiN | I have no clue on the progress as of yet |
| 07:11:31 | adi|dads | heheh k |
| 07:11:59 | MeRWiN | I've put myself in the player UI niche... nobody was working on making it better, so I took on that |
| 07:13:10 | adi|dads | heheh sweet |
| 07:15:57 | MeRWiN | I think the icons are a very needed feature as well |
| 07:23:21 | MeRWiN | time for bed, have to get up at 8am. |
| 07:23:45 | MeRWiN | give my regards to the rest of the guys :) |
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| 07:44:09 | Bagder | morning |
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| 08:03:40 | Bagder | the config options issue sure was a can of worms |
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| 08:20:12 | Hes | Heh. Morning. |
| 08:20:21 | Bagder | morning hes |
| 08:20:40 | Bagder | Hes: do you have the www module checked out? |
| 08:21:10 | Bagder | there's a battery faq embryo in there now, hence my q |
| 08:21:29 | Hes | I've had it checked out, yes... i'll update it |
| 08:21:38 | Bagder | cool, thanks |
| 08:21:46 | Bagder | docs/BATTERY |
| 08:22:19 | Bagder | it lacks a lot of answers still |
| 08:23:57 | Hes | I'll add some. |
| 08:32:08 | Hes | Can I use html/links in docs/BATTERY? |
| 08:32:15 | Hes | will it be included somewhere in plaintext? |
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| 08:32:35 | Bagder | we convert the plain-text into html by a script |
| 08:32:42 | Bagder | like the FAQ is made into faq.html |
| 08:32:50 | Bagder | so URLs are fine |
| 08:33:05 | Hes | but no <a href> stuff? |
| 08:33:10 | Bagder | no |
| 08:33:18 | Bagder | just plain http://blabla |
| 08:33:40 | Bagder | I thought using the FAQ's format was a good idea as then we could use it as plain text too |
| 08:37:35 | Hes | Yeah, it is good. |
| 08:38:21 | Hes | Will replacing batteries void the warranty? I'd find it most strange if it did, but the stickers inside the battery slot tells me to only use archos batteries. |
| 08:38:48 | Bagder | oh, I didn't know that |
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| 08:40:16 | bobTHC | g morning all ! |
| 08:40:17 | Bagder | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/message/12011 |
| 08:40:39 | Bagder | the guy left his Archos on the roof of his car ;-) |
| 08:41:07 | Bagder | "about 15 miles at about 70mph" |
| 08:41:18 | bobTHC | :) |
| 08:41:27 | Hes | Hahahah |
| 08:41:44 | bobTHC | It's a archos crash dummy! |
| 08:41:50 | Bagder | Take a coke can, fill it about 1/4 |
| 08:41:51 | Bagder | with sand. Shake it. This is what your harddrive will sound like |
| 08:41:51 | Bagder | after the fall. |
| 08:42:16 | Bagder | "p.s. anyone got an archos to sell?" |
| 08:42:18 | * | Bagder chuckles |
| 08:42:38 | bobTHC | it's really microdust hd technology ! |
| 08:44:42 | bobTHC | sorry pixiedust tek ! |
| 08:44:51 | bobTHC | thanx ibm |
| 08:55:07 | Bagder | more shirt designs coming up shortly |
| 08:56:06 | bobTHC | good! |
| 08:56:31 | bobTHC | what u think about my design? |
| 08:57:26 | Bagder | I like it |
| 08:57:38 | Bagder | the names on the team might get a bit too small though |
| 08:58:19 | bobTHC | yes but my original design is at real tshirt size and it's very clear .. |
| 08:58:46 | Bagder | ok, cool |
| 08:59:05 | bobTHC | i paste it on the medium t-shirt shape just to view it like the others |
| 08:59:22 | Hes | Hey, does anyone of you see NiMH batteries being on sale at www.archos.com ? |
| 08:59:33 | Hes | If they tell you to only use archos batteries, you should be able to buy them there. |
| 08:59:40 | bobTHC | new? |
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| 09:00:11 | bobTHC | somebody have buy the stereo mic from archos ? |
| 09:01:16 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/designs.html |
| 09:02:29 | bobTHC | new contest incomers .... it' s a popular contest, pretty cool! |
| 09:04:32 | bobTHC | hes: where on the archos site ? UK or US ? |
| 09:05:07 | Hes | bobTHC: whatever. |
| 09:05:18 | Hes | Do they sell them at all? |
| 09:06:04 | bobTHC | no |
| 09:06:32 | bobTHC | greenbattery.com |
| 09:06:42 | bobTHC | sell good products... |
| 09:07:43 | Hes | The point is, doesn't Archos tell you to use Archos-supplied batteries? |
| 09:08:09 | Hes | Would using non-Archos batteries, theoretically, void your warranty? |
| 09:08:18 | Hes | I would not suppose it would, but... |
| 09:08:33 | bobTHC | my recorder come with 2 battery set... |
| 09:08:40 | bobTHC | don't u? |
| 09:08:41 | Hes | My recorder only came with 1 set. |
| 09:08:52 | Hes | And the 2 sets will wear out after some time. |
| 09:09:04 | Hes | I already bought and happily use a second set of 1800 mAh cells |
| 09:09:18 | Hes | but now I'm trying to answer the question in the battery FAQ |
| 09:09:23 | Hes | Q5: Is it hard to change the batteries? Does it void my warranty? |
| 09:10:05 | bobTHC | ok...send a mail at archos to know it... |
| 09:10:34 | Hes | Do they actually respond? |
| 09:10:51 | bobTHC | with some delay but they respond... |
| 09:12:01 | bobTHC | have u test the new 2000 mAh/NiMH Battery ? |
| 09:13:23 | Hes | Nope. |
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| 09:13:55 | bobTHC | http://www.rueducommerce.fr/numerique/showdetl.cfm?product_id=347954&pl=347954|350159|345768|349691|348703 |
| 09:14:02 | bobTHC | sorry it's in french... |
| 09:14:25 | bobTHC | 25 for a battery set ! |
| 09:14:47 | Hes | I bought my 1800 mAh for around 10 euros. |
| 09:15:10 | bobTHC | u win some autonomy ? |
| 09:15:15 | Hes | ? |
| 09:16:15 | bobTHC | u win time between charge ? |
| 09:16:30 | Hes | I guess some, but I didn't measure it |
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| 09:16:41 | Bagder | hey ho rwood |
| 09:16:57 | rwood | the ROLO saga continues |
| 09:17:09 | Bagder | any progress? |
| 09:17:42 | rwood | i can reload rockbox versions, but hang with 6 dots on the status bar for 1.27d |
| 09:18:21 | rwood | i think it has something to do with the disk interface, but it will take some more work |
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| 09:18:34 | Bagder | hey Z |
| 09:18:43 | Zagor | hi |
| 09:19:43 | bobTHC | hi |
| 09:19:49 | rwood | i found an error in the user-ram clear routine in debug-menu - uses an offset of 0x18 rather than 0x14 |
| 09:20:14 | rwood | wraps around and clears first 4 locations |
| 09:21:00 | Hes | Ouch ! |
| 09:21:12 | Hes | clear the clock 8-) |
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| 09:21:37 | rwood | only happens if you select the clear option |
| 09:21:46 | Hes | Not too bad, but will be fixed |
| 09:23:22 | rwood | Zagor: with all the action on the mailing list, have you considered setting up a forum - it seems like it would be easier to follow threads |
| 09:24:44 | Zagor | rwood: the archive does threading if your mail reader doesn't. I don't like web-based discussions, mailing lists are much better. |
| 09:24:52 | Hes | Mailing lists rock. |
| 09:25:04 | rwood | ok - it's your show |
| 09:27:41 | Bagder | I wonder if he really did find the rockbox link on the archos site |
| 09:28:02 | Zagor | i doubt it. he probably found the linux driver link and went from there |
| 09:28:11 | Bagder | sounds more likely, yes |
| 09:28:21 | Bagder | but he has a recorder |
| 09:28:29 | Bagder | so the linux driver isn't for him |
| 09:28:52 | Bagder | oh well, we'll see if he responds and let us know |
| 09:29:13 | bobTHC | I wonder some Engineer from Archos Help us for the DSP programing... |
| 09:29:42 | * | bobTHC dream too much! |
| 09:30:08 | bobTHC | or perhaps the indian Spammer Team |
| 09:30:08 | Zagor | bobTHC: Micronas has said nobody is allowed to write 3rd party DSP code, so Archos likely doesn't have the info either |
| 09:30:31 | bobTHC | And how M3po do it? |
| 09:30:36 | Bagder | yeah, our indian friend hasn't responded yet B) |
| 09:33:16 | bobTHC | Micronas sell Special purpose DSp code for is Hardware ? |
| 09:33:26 | Bagder | most likely, yes |
| 09:34:18 | bobTHC | and they sell it to M3po... |
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| 09:36:51 | bobTHC | Micronas have a list of his DSP code ? |
| 09:37:31 | Bagder | no |
| 09:37:38 | Bagder | not that I've found anyway |
| 09:38:22 | bobTHC | Micronas is very secret ! |
| 09:38:28 | Bagder | amen |
| 09:39:00 | bobTHC | a lot of secret for some middle age DSP already out of date ! |
| 09:39:51 | Hes | Whoops, the 1800 mAh cells i bought were 10 euros for 2, not for 4. |
| 09:40:39 | bobTHC | thanx for the precision.. |
| 09:41:09 | bobTHC | a least 3 company release more powerfull and more reliable DSP for compressed audio playback! and micronas play like CIA ! fucking micronas! |
| 09:42:06 | Bagder | I honestly don't care *that* much |
| 09:42:32 | bobTHC | sorry i'm irritate |
| 09:42:59 | bobTHC | I expain u my point of view... |
| 09:43:05 | matsl | Bagder? |
| 09:44:15 | Bagder | matsl: ??? |
| 09:45:02 | matsl | Bagder: Just saw that Robert Hak has been working on the icons for the player. Do you know anything about that? |
| 09:45:08 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:45:27 | matsl | Bagder: Please tell me since I'm working on that too. |
| 09:45:32 | Bagder | he's been working on getting the recorder-style icons to the player ;-) |
| 09:45:39 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 09:45:54 | matsl | Bagder: ?? |
| 09:46:01 | Bagder | what else is there to say? |
| 09:46:09 | Bagder | lcd_define_pattern() and all that |
| 09:46:26 | Bagder | I don't know how far he has reached |
| 09:46:41 | Bagder | the icons in the dir browser, that is |
| 09:46:47 | Bagder | for playlist, dir and file |
| 09:47:15 | matsl | OK. I misunderstood. Thought it was the icons for the simulator |
| 09:47:22 | Bagder | nope, real-life icons |
| 09:47:28 | Bagder | target |
| 09:47:43 | matsl | ok. back to the simulator then! |
| 09:47:56 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:48:10 | Bagder | I patched your tool yday |
| 09:48:14 | bobTHC | the archos use the same dsp as the M3po who his the cheapest Mp3player with "pitch" but the archos is very carriable and have all except that. And to have what the archos have plus "pitch" that cost near 1200 for a box without HD with Smartmedia !!!! |
| 09:48:20 | matsl | Bagder: I know! |
| 09:48:59 | Bagder | bobTHC: so buy one and reverse-engineer the DSP code ;-) |
| 09:49:08 | * | Bagder hides |
| 09:50:21 | bobTHC | it's not a bad idea, but i'm sure someone have already "dig" the M3po... so i stop to annouing u with that... |
| 09:51:12 | Hes | I committed the BATTERY file now. |
| 09:51:18 | Hes | With the following log: |
| 09:51:18 | Hes | Initial answers based on what I think is probably right - need to be |
| 09:51:18 | Hes | checked and re-checked by others! I don't know what we can recommend |
| 09:51:18 | Hes | and what we can not recommend even if we did it ourself. |
| 09:51:51 | Hes | ... it's an starting point, please comment, discuss and edit at will. |
| 09:51:58 | Bagder | thanks hes |
| 09:52:20 | Bagder | Zagor: we made the battery faq in the same format as the ordinary faq as you might've spotted |
| 09:52:27 | Zagor | oh good |
| 09:52:39 | Bagder | and btw |
| 09:52:49 | Bagder | we should put the FAQ in the distribution archives |
| 09:53:00 | Hes | Off to work now. At last. |
| 09:53:01 | Zagor | yeah, I know |
| 09:53:42 | Bagder | Zagor: this could easily be made now by putting both FAQs in the source-tree and just generate the HTML nicely from them as source files |
| 09:54:21 | Bagder | hm, we have no docs directory in any source tree ;-) |
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| 10:01:45 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery.html |
| 10:02:02 | Bagder | that's how it looks converted to html |
| 10:04:40 | matsl | Bagder: Q about resolution for the simulator? |
| 10:04:51 | Bagder | yes? |
| 10:05:42 | matsl | Got the impresssion from earlier discussions that I was limited to say 112x7 points for the icons. |
| 10:05:57 | Bagder | that was the case back then, yes |
| 10:06:11 | Bagder | then I switched to a bigger font |
| 10:06:11 | matsl | What's tha case now then? |
| 10:06:36 | Bagder | uh... |
| 10:07:00 | Bagder | 138x8 |
| 10:07:18 | Bagder | or 138x7 if to get a line between the icons and the text |
| 10:07:26 | Bagder | s/if// |
| 10:07:50 | matsl | ok. so lcd_bitmap can now be used in this 138x7 frame |
| 10:08:27 | Bagder | lcd_bitmap can be used to bitmap within the whole screen which is 138x54 for the player sim |
| 10:08:42 | matsl | right. |
| 10:08:59 | Bagder | at least that's the intention |
| 10:09:17 | matsl | I'm happy with that at the moment. Just wondering. Why don't we have a higher resolution so that the icons can look good. |
| 10:09:21 | Bagder | and since the text appears, we can know it works at least partially |
| 10:09:41 | Bagder | because we haven't made it so |
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| 10:10:17 | matsl | ok. |
| 10:10:22 | Bagder | I wanted it to look a little like the player's screen |
| 10:10:33 | Bagder | that's why I didn't want the icons to be very big |
| 10:10:51 | matsl | The icons will look like crap but, hey, its a simulator. |
| 10:11:36 | Bagder | you're free to change |
| 10:12:27 | matsl | As i said. I'm happy with it. I know what to do now and if I just stop talking to you I might even be able to check somthing in today. ;-) |
| 10:12:46 | * | Bagder hides in silence ;-) |
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| 10:20:30 | notch | bill kantz said via the list that he got to rockbox via the ARCHOS website? |
| 10:20:39 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:20:57 | Bagder | I'm curious too |
| 10:21:16 | PsycoXul | the only such link i found was the 'Linux Driver' link to bjorn's isd200 driver page... |
| 10:21:24 | notch | Had a look but cant find any refs to rockbox.... |
| 10:21:49 | Bagder | I think he found the isd200 driver and the rockbox from there |
| 10:22:30 | notch | ahh, oh well though ARCHOS was admitting how crap thier firmware is :-) |
| 10:22:36 | Hes | I followed that link once as well |
| 10:24:09 | Hes | Hey, what do you think about the Q10 in http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery.html ? |
| 10:25:01 | Hes | That's what my little experience in electronics and amateur radio and school of technology tells me, but I really don't have experience on using other chargers with the unit. |
| 10:25:17 | Hes | Someone was said to be using a pretty high voltage charger? |
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| 10:25:30 | Bagder | me neither, I'm really not very good at these things |
| 10:26:05 | Bagder | I think Hadaka is using some higher voltage charger |
| 10:26:56 | Bagder | coffee! |
| 10:27:31 | Hadaka | yo |
| 10:27:49 | Hadaka | I'm using a 12V charger, yes |
| 10:27:51 | Hadaka | supplied by Archos |
| 10:28:12 | notch | You will find the output V drops as the I increases... |
| 10:28:47 | notch | What's the I rating? |
| 10:29:41 | Hadaka | mmh, I think it was 1.5A or something, don't have it handy here |
| 10:29:55 | Hes | Humm... with the recorder? |
| 10:29:58 | Hadaka | yes |
| 10:30:15 | Hes | Which charger is this (on the archos web shop)? |
| 10:30:24 | Hadaka | the travel charger |
| 10:30:32 | notch | Can't be 1.5A... it would be huge! |
| 10:30:44 | Hadaka | now let's see |
| 10:31:05 | Hadaka | it was more A than the original charger - and it wasn't shown as mA |
| 10:31:17 | Hadaka | it was over 1.0A - or it might've been just 1.0A |
| 10:31:24 | notch | shizer! |
| 10:31:24 | Hes | Can you check that please? |
| 10:31:32 | Hes | Does it heat up a lot? |
| 10:32:05 | Hadaka | http://www.archos.com/uk/products/product_acadapters.html |
| 10:32:13 | Hadaka | I can check it (again) when I get home |
| 10:32:21 | Hadaka | it's the Universal Adapter from there |
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| 10:33:08 | notch | Doesnt have a current rating on the website:-( |
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| 10:33:19 | Hadaka | yeah, that sucks |
| 10:33:25 | Low[a] | morning all |
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| 10:33:34 | notch | mornin |
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| 10:33:37 | Hadaka | anyway >=1.0A, 12V - that much I remember for sure |
| 10:33:37 | Bagder | morning Low |
| 10:33:45 | Hes | I guess that's the highest spec for a charger that we can recommend, whatever it is |
| 10:34:03 | notch | be nice to measure the output V unser load.... |
| 10:34:06 | notch | under |
| 10:34:13 | Hadaka | and it heats, but not that much |
| 10:34:55 | Hadaka | as in, the archos has been warm, sometimes even borderline hot, but not really |
| 10:37:15 | Hes | Have you used it with the rockbox charger without blowing it up? 8-) |
| 10:38:33 | Hadaka | I debugged the charging for Linus at one point - and charged for testing a bit - but I haven't really really used rockbox ever - except for testing |
| 10:38:59 | Hadaka | I usually let it sit all day, charging, at my work - while it's playing - and never charge it when I'm home |
| 10:39:07 | Hadaka | except maybe during the weekends |
| 10:39:24 | Hadaka | but now the charger is at home because my archos is kind of broken |
| 10:39:39 | Lowfiler | can somebody here tell me an efnet server plz |
| 10:40:22 | Bagder | Lowfiler: irc.stealth.net |
| 10:40:38 | Hadaka | I thought irc.stealth.net was IRCNet? |
| 10:40:47 | Bagder | oops |
| 10:40:48 | Bagder | right |
| 10:41:08 | Bagder | irc.efnet.net then ;-) |
| 10:41:08 | Lowfiler | thx |
| 10:41:16 | Lowfiler | irc.efnet.net doesnt work :) |
| 10:41:23 | Bagder | irc.ais.net |
| 10:41:27 | Bagder | irc.phoenix.net |
| 10:41:37 | Hadaka | efnet.cs.hut.fi, irc.ludd.luth.se |
| 10:42:06 | Hadaka | hmm, dunno which server would let .net in |
| 10:42:50 | Lowfiler | they all doesnt work |
| 10:43:01 | PsycoXul | irc.secsup.uu.net |
| 10:43:08 | PsycoXul | irc.Qeast.net |
| 10:43:20 | Bagder | Lowfiler: they all work, they just don't let you in |
| 10:43:34 | PsycoXul | irc.easynews.com |
| 10:43:41 | Lowfiler | thx irc.queast.net works |
| 10:43:46 | Lowfiler | bagder: i know :) |
| 10:43:57 | Bagder | your domain is probably banned from quite a lot of servers |
| 10:44:08 | Lowfiler | ya thats the problem |
| 10:44:38 | Bagder | want my advice? fire up 'muh' on a host that runs on a different host and "bounce" on that to IRC |
| 10:44:45 | Bagder | on a different domain |
| 10:46:33 | Lowfiler | i have a server on which my domain works |
| 10:46:38 | Lowfiler | thats ok |
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| 11:00:06 | elinenbe | blah.... |
| 11:00:14 | elinenbe | can't sleep here. too hot! |
| 11:16:36 | notch | where are you elinenbe? |
| 11:21:00 | | Nick notch is now known as notch|out (hidden-use@arthur.techprt.co.uk) |
| 11:26:42 | elinenbe | New York |
| 11:30:09 | Lowfiler | oh what time is it on your side of the world :P |
| 11:37:54 | Hadaka | 12:37 CTCP TIME reply from elinenbe: Tue Aug 20 05:37:49 2002 |
| 11:37:56 | Hadaka | 12:37 CTCP TIME reply from Lowfiler: Tue Aug 20 11:39:11 2002 |
| 11:38:03 | Hadaka | ...the answer is closer than you think :) |
| 11:38:59 | Lowfiler | hehe |
| 11:39:50 | Lowfiler | nice :) |
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| 13:10:05 | * | Bagder sneaks back in |
| 13:11:23 | Bagder | maybe... |
| 13:11:36 | Bagder | when I press 'next' to load the next song, we should stop the scroll |
| 13:11:42 | Bagder | in the wps |
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| 13:14:41 | Bagder | hey ho adi at dad's |
| 13:15:13 | matsl | Bagder: How do I clear just the pixels set in an icon. Is there any function for that in the API? |
| 13:15:18 | * | adi|dads nods |
| 13:15:36 | adi|dads | yeah. you can use the clean rectangle one |
| 13:15:43 | adi|dads | and set it for the location of the icon |
| 13:16:00 | adi|dads | either that or replace the icon by a space |
| 13:16:02 | * | adi|dads shrugs |
| 13:16:04 | matsl | i don't want to clearthe whole rectangle. Only the pixels set |
| 13:16:17 | Bagder | why? |
| 13:16:18 | * | adi|dads will bite |
| 13:16:19 | adi|dads | why? |
| 13:16:44 | Bagder | matsl: you're doing code for the simulator, there's no need to optimize ;-) |
| 13:16:50 | Bagder | besides |
| 13:16:52 | * | adi|dads smirks |
| 13:17:00 | Bagder | the x11 code only clears and sets the dots it has to anyway |
| 13:17:09 | * | adi|dads slaps Bagder around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:17:19 | * | adi|dads slaps matsl around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:17:19 | * | Bagder hides from big bad adi |
| 13:17:22 | matsl | battery-symbol. Consists of battery-frame plus three rectangles inside the battery frame. |
| 13:17:34 | adi|dads | okay.. |
| 13:17:56 | matsl | Please enlighten me if I'm heading in the wrong direction. |
| 13:18:06 | adi|dads | sure |
| 13:18:09 | * | adi|dads points the other way |
| 13:18:14 | adi|dads | thats the right direction |
| 13:18:16 | adi|dads | off you go |
| 13:18:18 | * | adi|dads smirks |
| 13:18:26 | * | adi|dads appologizes |
| 13:18:31 | adi|dads | i get evil when i can't code :( |
| 13:18:53 | matsl | Don't applogize. tell me there is a function for me in the API ;-) |
| 13:18:59 | Bagder | matsl: you can clear rectangles, lines or pixels. you pick |
| 13:19:04 | adi|dads | yeah... clear rectangle |
| 13:19:42 | matsl | OK. Seems I want lcd_bitmap_clear or something then. |
| 13:19:42 | adi|dads | or you could give Bagder head, and he will invent something else |
| 13:19:47 | adi|dads | but i vote again'st that... |
| 13:20:43 | Bagder | matsl: why not simple use the API that exists? |
| 13:20:46 | Bagder | simply |
| 13:21:03 | Bagder | but sure, make a "lcd_bitmap_clear" if that makes you feel better ;-) |
| 13:22:00 | adi|dads | anyone have a version of nmap on their machine? |
| 13:22:39 | matsl | Bagder: If I want to clear all bits set in a bitmap I and I use the suggested method of clearing by pixel I would actually invent lcd_bitmap_clear wouldn't I |
| 13:23:21 | Bagder | matsl: I still think you shuld clear_rect() and then bitmap() or draw the stuff that should be there |
| 13:23:26 | Bagder | imho |
| 13:23:59 | Bagder | adi|dads: no nmap here |
| 13:24:53 | matsl | Bagder: Problem is. battery symbol is four icons. three of them inside the forth. The forth whipes out the other three. |
| 13:25:18 | LinusN | matsl: draw them in a different order then |
| 13:25:36 | * | adi|dads nm .. got it |
| 13:25:42 | matsl | Bagder: I can't control the order. I just implement lcd_icon for the simulator. |
| 13:25:44 | * | adi|dads is SO thankful he is still logged in from work |
| 13:25:54 | Bagder | draw the outline first, then the inside |
| 13:26:29 | LinusN | matsl: you should create a sim_icon_redraw() |
| 13:26:41 | LinusN | that redraws the whole icon shebang |
| 13:26:44 | * | adi|dads calls it a night and tries to sleep again.. bbl... |
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| 13:26:59 | matsl | LinusN: why? |
| 13:26:59 | LinusN | and lcd_icon should just set some flags |
| 13:27:09 | LinusN | because you can't control the order |
| 13:27:18 | matsl | LinusN: Aha... !!!! |
| 13:28:12 | * | Bagder still doesn't understands, but gives up |
| 13:28:49 | Bagder | and I can't write correct english either |
| 13:28:55 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:31:20 | matsl | Bagder: Who said I understood my own problem? ;-) |
| 13:31:54 | LinusN | but now you do... |
| 13:34:58 | matsl | At least I know how to hack it. |
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| 14:03:23 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mp3/edx/ <= edx's test mp3 files |
| 14:04:23 | Snorlax | what are u testing? |
| 14:04:43 | Bagder | I'm not testing, but when I get those I'll test them all ;-) |
| 14:04:52 | Bagder | mainly the id3 and time stuff |
| 14:05:04 | Snorlax | k |
| 14:05:09 | Bagder | that rockbox will display the correct bitrate, freq and time |
| 14:05:19 | Snorlax | k |
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| 14:24:13 | Bagder | hm |
| 14:24:17 | Bagder | my rockbox froze |
| 14:24:26 | Bagder | I pressed OFF |
| 14:24:34 | Bagder | and now I could resume again |
| 14:24:46 | Bagder | ... only to get it resumed to where I was like an hour ago or so |
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| 14:48:28 | Snorlax | anybody here? |
| 14:48:51 | Bagder | yeps |
| 14:49:01 | Snorlax | ok, maybe this is abit of topic but what headphones u got? |
| 14:49:47 | Bagder | I've got some pretty basic sony ones |
| 14:50:08 | Snorlax | u got a player/recorder |
| 14:50:09 | Bagder | not those that everyone raves so much about |
| 14:50:11 | Bagder | recorder |
| 14:50:27 | Snorlax | ok, and u get bassa and volume? |
| 14:50:39 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:50:53 | Snorlax | on a bus/subway? |
| 14:51:02 | Bagder | yes, sure |
| 14:51:34 | Snorlax | I got a player! |
| 14:51:36 | Snorlax | arrgh! |
| 14:51:46 | Bagder | the player has worse sound |
| 14:53:51 | Snorlax | yupp |
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| 14:54:32 | MeRWiN|Sleep | found another error in resume :P |
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| 14:54:42 | * | Bagder points to Zagor|out ;-) |
| 14:54:55 | MeRWiN | yup :) |
| 14:55:13 | MeRWiN | When you resume, the time of the song starts at 0:00 even if you're in the middle of the song |
| 14:55:16 | LinusN | Bagder: dir play resume with random fails |
| 14:55:34 | Bagder | LinusN: do you know why? |
| 14:55:54 | LinusN | i think your "play the selected file" fix broke it |
| 14:56:08 | Bagder | probably, but I can't see why it would do that |
| 14:57:22 | Bagder | and it struck me that if we don't have repeat-all, we need a way for a resumed play-all-dir to know when it reaches the end of the dir-play |
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| 15:11:29 | * | Bagder got release-party cake |
| 15:11:32 | MeRWiN | I like these long plane rides... I get to find all the bugs I created (usually very tiny ones that nobody will ever run across) |
| 15:11:53 | MeRWiN | release-party cake? |
| 15:11:58 | Bagder | hehe |
| 15:12:06 | Bagder | yeah, celebration here at my work |
| 15:12:13 | MeRWiN | nice nice |
| 15:12:48 | MeRWiN | we should have release-party cake for 1.3 ... although I think the cake would be fairly stale after being transported from sweeden to the states |
| 15:13:07 | Bagder | hehe |
| 15:13:20 | Bagder | http://www.alliedtelesyn.com/allied/common/easyprint.asp?tablename=PressReleases&fieldname=Text&memoID=278&productid=0 |
| 15:13:36 | Bagder | that's the end "user" of what we make |
| 15:14:03 | Bagder | kind of techie sales talk |
| 15:16:01 | MeRWiN | bothell... that's just down the street from where i live :) |
| 15:16:51 | Bagder | :-) |
| 15:17:19 | MeRWiN | I didn't know that Allied Telesyn was from there |
| 15:17:43 | Bagder | Allied is some kind of partner of net Insight that I do consulting for |
| 15:17:54 | MeRWiN | ahh |
| 15:18:11 | * | MeRWiN hates 56k dialup. |
| 15:18:15 | * | MeRWiN misses his cable-modem |
| 15:19:54 | MeRWiN | haha. I got an e-mail regarding my Nokia Ringtone website that just said "You suck". Now that is one unhappy customer that I just can't please |
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| 15:24:10 | bobTHC|work | have u seen the new macrosafe from macrovision for broadcasting films... |
| 15:24:20 | MeRWiN | what is it? |
| 15:24:58 | bobTHC|work | the new macrovision secure film on demand standart |
| 15:25:36 | Bagder | LinusN: you checked out the battery faq? |
| 15:26:31 | bobTHC|work | with AES and triple DES encryption! |
| 15:27:00 | bobTHC|work | secure until someone dig it! |
| 15:27:28 | Bagder | well, the client needs to decode it to view it, so then someone can decode it to save it soon |
| 15:27:41 | MeRWiN | Bagder: agreed |
| 15:27:55 | bobTHC|work | http://www.macrovision.com/solutions/video/drm/overview.php3 |
| 15:27:59 | MeRWiN | Any technology is easy to crack, if given the right person |
| 15:28:34 | bobTHC|work | when someone build something someone can can destoy it! |
| 15:28:53 | Bagder | bobTHC|work: but the stuff we do here for video broadcast is more at the hardware level, like the protocols on the fibre |
| 15:29:19 | LinusN | Bagder: where is the faq? |
| 15:29:22 | bobTHC|work | ok... |
| 15:29:32 | MeRWiN | Why are companies so intent on spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to create "bigger locks" that just take a couple more days to break through. Don't they understand that there's no lock that a determined computer geek can't get through? |
| 15:29:37 | Bagder | LinusN: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery.html |
| 15:29:44 | Bagder | LinusN: but edit the docs/BATTERY |
| 15:30:14 | Bagder | LinusN: most of the A's come from Hes so far |
| 15:30:16 | bobTHC|work | merwin : sony music is in this case with audiocd protection |
| 15:30:39 | Hes | With the following log: |
| 15:30:46 | Hes | Initial answers based on what I think is probably right - need to be |
| 15:30:53 | Hes | checked and re-checked by others! I don't know what we can recommend |
| 15:30:59 | bobTHC|work | to remove it just use a postit or a marker |
| 15:31:00 | Hes | and what we can not recommend even if we did it ourself. |
| 15:31:05 | Hes | ... it's an starting point, please comment, discuss and edit at will. |
| 15:33:13 | MeRWiN | bobTHC|work: heh |
| 15:33:35 | Hes | I was wondering... 1.5V alkaline batteries would work in an emergency, but cause the device to heat up more (at the regulators doing more work) |
| 15:33:50 | Hes | But with Hadaka and others using it with a 12V travel charger... |
| 15:34:08 | MeRWiN | Hes: I tried them.. 1.5v alkaline does work. It does heat up alot though |
| 15:34:33 | LinusN | We need to be clearer about which model the answers apply to |
| 15:34:55 | matsl | Bagder: I'm stuck with second icon line. help needed. |
| 15:34:55 | bobTHC|work | just use non full 1.5 alkaline .. |
| 15:35:08 | Bagder | matsl: shooot |
| 15:35:42 | Hes | LinusN: true, my answers are pretty much recorder-specific |
| 15:35:42 | matsl | well, the icons simply don't show on the display. Nothing wrong with them. They display fine on the first line. |
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| 15:36:32 | matsl | Bagder: Could there be something the chops of the last bit of the pixmap? |
| 15:36:53 | matsl | Bagder: I have tried setting LCD_HEIGHT but it doesn't change a thing. |
| 15:36:53 | Bagder | anything |
| 15:36:56 | Bagder | 's possible |
| 15:37:41 | Bagder | so nothing in the whole lower section becomes visible? |
| 15:38:26 | matsl | Bagder: no. After the text I'm not able to display the icons. Y-position LCD_HEIGHT - 7 was my first assumption, Tried a bunch of others as well. |
| 15:38:48 | Bagder | well LCD_HEIGHT is already bigger than the player sim display so that shouldn't matter |
| 15:39:44 | matsl | Aha. maybe I should start counting pixels. Maybe I'm just writing behiond the text |
| 15:40:15 | Bagder | you should start at... 40 I guess |
| 15:40:22 | Bagder | Y-wise |
| 15:40:34 | matsl | Bagder: I have tried it but its worth another go. |
| 15:40:49 | Bagder | make sure you lcd_update() too properly |
| 15:41:33 | matsl | Bagder: I have to stop soon. got battery, play, record, and volume working in simulator. |
| 15:41:56 | Bagder | cool |
| 15:42:09 | matsl | Bagder: When I get the second line working i'll checkin. maybe tomorrow!? |
| 15:42:18 | Bagder | sounds fine |
| 15:43:02 | matsl | Bagder: besides I don't do any lcd_update myself. Should I? |
| 15:43:12 | Bagder | yes |
| 15:43:28 | Bagder | the player code doesn't need lcd_update() |
| 15:43:35 | Bagder | but the player sim does |
| 15:44:05 | matsl | ok. so maybe I have just been darn lucky with the other icons then? |
| 15:44:24 | Bagder | yes, possibly, because the text functions do lcd_update() |
| 15:44:40 | matsl | ok |
| 15:45:04 | matsl | Bagder: thanks for the info. cu |
| 15:45:08 | Bagder | bye |
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| 15:45:49 | Bagder | ...we should provide a memcmp() soon |
| 15:46:07 | Bagder | for all those poor people who get a newer gcc |
| 15:47:24 | Hadaka | hm |
| 15:47:36 | Hadaka | I didn't understand that? |
| 15:47:52 | Hadaka | are you sure you want the "optimized" version there? |
| 15:48:15 | Bagder | the optimized? |
| 15:48:23 | Bagder | you mean optimized strcmp() ? |
| 15:48:50 | Hadaka | no I mean the optimized whatever that used memcmp internally - that the newer gcc does |
| 15:49:20 | Bagder | yes, it is some strcmp() stuff that it converts, possible something else too of course |
| 15:49:27 | Bagder | you think it is bad? |
| 15:50:07 | Hadaka | well unless you provide all the functions those things require and understand that the optimization is happening, I'm favoring not using the inlines at all |
| 15:51:39 | Bagder | well, my thinking was more that if it optmizes into using other functions and we can easily provide those other functions, that might be a good thing |
| 15:52:16 | Bagder | but we can also of course append the option that disables that optimization, whatever flag that is |
| 15:52:25 | Hadaka | it's -fno-inline |
| 15:52:50 | Bagder | it is? |
| 15:53:20 | Hadaka | whops |
| 15:53:28 | Hadaka | it's -fno-builtin :) |
| 15:53:45 | Bagder | ah, that makes more sense ;-) |
| 15:54:01 | Bagder | right, we should probably slap that one on instead |
| 15:54:15 | Bagder | then we should work better with newer gccs |
| 15:54:18 | Hadaka | but the thing is, those builtin inlines change the behaviour of things - like forexample when memcpy becomes an inline assembly loop |
| 15:54:26 | Hadaka | and I'm not sure if that's wanted in all cases |
| 15:55:03 | Hadaka | you can say -fno-builtin-strcmp ofcourse to solve the one problem you have |
| 15:55:16 | Hadaka | but that would be quite the worst solution |
| 15:56:03 | Hadaka | oh btw |
| 15:56:14 | Hadaka | you could use -ffreestanding as a compilation option |
| 15:56:36 | Bagder | aha |
| 15:56:36 | Hadaka | "A freestanding environment is one in which the standard library may not exist, and program startup may not necessarily be at "main". The most obvious example is an OS kernel." |
| 15:56:42 | Bagder | sounds perfect |
| 15:56:48 | Hadaka | exactly |
| 15:56:54 | * | Bagder adds |
| 15:56:58 | Hadaka | um |
| 15:57:05 | Hadaka | check if it works with older gcc's first ;) |
| 15:57:19 | Hadaka | that was from gcc-3.1 manual page |
| 15:57:21 | Bagder | hehe |
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| 15:58:15 | Bagder | egcs-2.91.66 has it at least |
| 15:58:45 | Hadaka | oh goodie |
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| 16:01:27 | | Nick Zagor|out is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 16:01:43 | Zagor | oh man. people want shortcut keys for really obscure functions... |
| 16:01:46 | Hadaka | oh and, if you want something optimized - like memcpy |
| 16:02:26 | Hadaka | you can do #define memcpy(d, s, n) __builtin_memcpy ((d), (s), (n)) |
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| 16:06:00 | Zagor | bah, I don't like merwins wps.c commit. it resets the scroll every time you adjust volume. I don't understand why he did that. |
| 16:07:57 | Bagder | doesn't sound like something you want it to do |
| 16:08:42 | Bagder | Zagor: btw, you should also dive into the battery faq and shovel in your edits |
| 16:09:08 | Zagor | yup |
| 16:09:44 | Bagder | I've forced LinusN on it and Hes contributed massively this morning |
| 16:12:33 | LinusN | Hehe. I have benchmarked Magnus Holmgren's assembly language 8-bit bitswap function |
| 16:12:43 | Bagder | any cool? |
| 16:12:57 | LinusN | guess what? it is _faster_ than the 16-bit version!!! |
| 16:13:03 | Bagder | r0ck |
| 16:13:11 | Zagor | yay |
| 16:13:21 | LinusN | at leat it seems like it is |
| 16:13:21 | Bagder | now, how fast is an assembly 16-bit version? B) |
| 16:13:35 | LinusN | the resolution is in ticks... |
| 16:15:02 | LinusN | the 16-bit version does 32Kb in 4 ticks |
| 16:15:19 | elinenbe | hello. Interesting thing. On the recorder6k, when I put it in button lock mode, I can still turn the status bar on and off hitting F3 |
| 16:15:24 | LinusN | the 8-bit version does 32Kb in 4 ticks too, but sometimes in 3... |
| 16:15:52 | Zagor | elinenbe: yes, that's because the wps code is a mess. major cleanup coming up... |
| 16:16:26 | elinenbe | Zagor: nice. I hate messy code :-) |
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| 16:17:49 | LinusN | Zagor: i will commit Magnus' assembly code as-is, in bitswap.S |
| 16:17:56 | Zagor | ok |
| 16:18:20 | * | LinusN is drooling over the extra 128Kb we will gain... |
| 16:20:07 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:23:16 | * | elinenbe is drooling over 128kb of Doom once my raytracing engine is completed... :-) |
| 16:24:05 | bobTHC|work | :) |
| 16:24:08 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:24:17 | Bagder | well they ported doom to the cannon digital cameras... |
| 16:24:44 | LinusN | Well, gotta go! |
| 16:25:05 | Bagder | see ya LinusN |
| 16:25:10 | LinusN | Magnus Holmgren is surely the Hero Of The Day! |
| 16:25:19 | bobTHC|work | for sure! |
| 16:25:28 | * | Bagder hails Magnus |
| 16:26:04 | LinusN | still, we need to keep our ears open for bugs... |
| 16:26:07 | elinenbe | bye LinusN |
| 16:26:12 | LinusN | bye! |
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| 16:35:58 | Bagder | Zagor: you tried that update_rect() fix yet? |
| 16:42:53 | Bagder | blah, I hate snmp |
| 16:42:57 | Zagor | yes, I've been running it for a day |
| 16:43:07 | Bagder | coolio |
| 16:43:56 | Bagder | I wasn't 100% sure I wrote it correctly ;-) |
| 16:44:02 | Zagor | :-) |
| 16:44:22 | Zagor | well it appears to work, anyway. or else it's some other lcd_update that does the job... :-) |
| 16:44:44 | Bagder | hm, right the normal one will update that rect too |
| 16:44:51 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:47:43 | Bagder | btw, can we get an interrupt from a timer or something? |
| 16:48:00 | Bagder | I'm thinking about sleep |
| 16:48:28 | Zagor | we do get a tick interrupt. check kernel.c |
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| 16:53:58 | Zagor | Bagder: that unshuffle fix you did must be altered to cope with resume |
| 16:54:06 | Bagder | I know |
| 16:54:19 | Bagder | we need to differentiate between resume and the play-dir |
| 16:54:42 | Bagder | linus said I broke the resume for all-dir play |
| 16:54:53 | Bagder | not that I understand why |
| 16:54:59 | Zagor | yeah, in shuffle mode anyway |
| 16:55:26 | Bagder | you figured out why? |
| 16:55:46 | Zagor | i think so. just a minute... |
| 16:57:04 | Bagder | the sleep mode runs on 40mA compared to 60mA normal mode |
| 16:57:18 | Zagor | sh-1 sleep mode? |
| 16:57:21 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:57:25 | Zagor | ok |
| 16:57:36 | Bagder | it takes 3 cycles to get into the mode |
| 16:57:44 | Zagor | and out? |
| 16:57:54 | Bagder | it wasn't quite as clear |
| 16:58:04 | Zagor | what about dram refresh and iram contents? |
| 16:59:16 | Bagder | the iram is no problem at least |
| 16:59:23 | Bagder | RAM is said to be "Held" |
| 16:59:47 | Zagor | ok |
| 16:59:59 | Bagder | I suspect that we can go down to SLEEP for very short intervals to reduce power consumption |
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| 17:00:16 | Bagder | it basicly just halts the CPU core |
| 17:00:31 | Zagor | we should reorganize the scheduler to use process queues |
| 17:00:41 | Zagor | then we could spend lots of time in sleep mode |
| 17:01:20 | Bagder | well for starters and experiments, we can have one thread go down to sleep mode and then release it again |
| 17:01:24 | Bagder | for like 10-20 ms |
| 17:01:36 | Zagor | yeah |
| 17:01:44 | Bagder | it would only slow down the thread-shifting |
| 17:02:03 | Bagder | as long as we scan the keys fast enough and the lcd gets updated, no one should notice |
| 17:02:13 | Zagor | right |
| 17:04:43 | Bagder | pity we can't use the standby mode ;-) |
| 17:04:50 | Bagder | 0.0.1 uA |
| 17:04:52 | Bagder | 0.01 |
| 17:05:01 | Bagder | that's deep coma |
| 17:05:04 | Zagor | hehe |
| 17:05:09 | Zagor | but no ram is held? |
| 17:05:28 | Bagder | ram is held |
| 17:05:34 | Zagor | but? |
| 17:05:35 | Bagder | but lots of other things go |
| 17:05:52 | Zagor | such as? |
| 17:05:54 | Bagder | clock halted |
| 17:06:08 | Bagder | "supporting functions" halted |
| 17:06:17 | Bagder | not sure that that means |
| 17:06:35 | Bagder | only nmi irq can wake it up |
| 17:06:46 | Zagor | ouch. ok, sounds pretty harsh. |
| 17:06:49 | Bagder | except for power-on and manual reset |
| 17:07:35 | Bagder | 0.01 uA is amazingly little current |
| 17:07:46 | Zagor | yeah |
| 17:09:02 | Zagor | dir-play resume works for unshuffled |
| 17:13:32 | Bagder | I'm off for tonight, see ya |
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| 19:01:10 | * | notch|out snorts diet coke to speed delivery to brain.... |
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| 19:08:44 | xam | use jolt or drpepper ;) |
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| 20:11:03 | Jet8810 | anybody here currently on msn messenger? |
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| 20:43:31 | elinenbe | hi there |
| 20:47:13 | elinenbe | bye there. |
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| 22:06:49 | nsauzede | hi all |
| 22:09:16 | Zagor | hi |
| 22:14:41 | nsauzede | congrats again for the good work :) |
| 22:15:37 | Zagor | :-) thanks |
| 22:15:52 | nsauzede | BTW, just a question.. |
| 22:16:10 | Zagor | sure |
| 22:16:31 | nsauzede | I recently received all emails of the list twice, did that happen to someone else ? |
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| 22:17:02 | Zagor | not me |
| 22:17:38 | nsauzede | it may be a problem with my pop server, so... |
| 22:18:32 | nsauzede | else, I wondered if one can/must/must'nt use archos logo/name on the tshirts designs ?? |
| 22:18:57 | Zagor | good question. we should probably avoid using their official logo anyway |
| 22:19:31 | nsauzede | yes, and the question is valid for the jukebox name, no ? (tm) |
| 22:19:46 | nsauzede | (and the photos ?) |
| 22:20:20 | Zagor | i'm pretty sure "jukebox" is not protected by archos. it's a very generic name. |
| 22:20:35 | Zagor | but, yeah. it's an interesting question. |
| 22:21:49 | nsauzede | indeed, I wanted to send an email to you to ask many points like this for the submissions (can/must/must'nt use that or this) |
| 22:23:37 | nsauzede | BTW, did you receive the email I just sent to the list ? It's about Players USB icon |
| 22:23:48 | Zagor | yes I did |
| 22:24:02 | Zagor | thanks, I missed just that the other day |
| 22:24:21 | nsauzede | cool;) what do you think of the double-height issue ? |
| 22:24:33 | Zagor | which version did you test on? |
| 22:25:00 | nsauzede | well, original firmware is 5.07d, if I remember well... |
| 22:25:00 | Zagor | and did you have resume to "on" (not "ask")? |
| 22:25:06 | nsauzede | resume : on |
| 22:25:07 | | Nick dwihno|gone is now known as dwihn0r (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
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| 22:25:11 | dwihn0r | Good afternoon |
| 22:25:12 | Zagor | i found it :-) |
| 22:25:15 | dwihn0r | Or something like that :) |
| 22:25:18 | Zagor | hi dwihn0r |
| 22:25:21 | nsauzede | hi ! |
| 22:25:39 | dwihn0r | Hi, Mr. Zagor. You got the rights to indent. Every tab can and will be used against you! |
| 22:25:45 | nsauzede | zagor : I was resuming a playlist at bootup |
| 22:26:05 | Zagor | nsauzede: yes, I found the bug. checking in now. |
| 22:26:17 | nsauzede | so fast ? unbelievable :) |
| 22:26:30 | dwihn0r | I read about the optimized bitswap. How much of a performance increase does it boast? |
| 22:26:55 | nsauzede | zagor : beware Luke, you are coding faster than your shadow... 8-) |
| 22:27:06 | Zagor | dwihn0r: not significantly faster. the big thing is we save 128 KB ram |
| 22:27:32 | nsauzede | but Lionus said it was even faster than 16bit method.. |
| 22:27:38 | nsauzede | ?? |
| 22:27:48 | dwihn0r | Zagor: Ah. Saving RAM! :D Misa like that very much :) |
| 22:28:11 | Zagor | yes, but I don't think it's that much faster. the big thing is that we can save the ram and don't sacrifice performance |
| 22:28:21 | nsauzede | right. |
| 22:28:22 | Zagor | not that the new algo is much faster |
| 22:28:25 | dwihn0r | I bet my pants that the buffer size of rockbox outclasses the buffer of the stock firmware |
| 22:28:51 | Zagor | it might. should be fairly simple to test. |
| 22:29:02 | dwihn0r | Yeah... :) |
| 22:29:12 | nsauzede | on recorders, can you play game while listening to music ? |
| 22:29:15 | dwihn0r | edx's win32 makefiles aren't updated yet, I presume? |
| 22:29:18 | Zagor | nsauzede: yes |
| 22:29:27 | Zagor | dwihn0r: dunno |
| 22:30:35 | nsauzede | zagor: I'm desparately trying to compile win32 simulator on cygwin/W2000 with builtin mingw32, but that fails... :( |
| 22:30:57 | nsauzede | => must use MS VC :( |
| 22:31:27 | Zagor | i'm sorry, I have never tried using windows. I'm a 100% linux guy. |
| 22:32:33 | dwihn0r | linux is cute |
| 22:32:48 | dwihn0r | Especially that penguin :) |
| 22:33:51 | nsauzede | zagor: I'm an Androgyne, Linux+Win2000, but I've got to choose at bootup ;-) |
| 22:34:57 | Zagor | mbr has gone berzerk |
| 22:35:38 | nsauzede | the ROLO thing really rocks !! I hope it will soon be checked in (I'm fed up patching cvs against the old ROLO-1 patch :) |
| 22:35:59 | Zagor | it doesn't work on recorders yet. it will go in when it does. |
| 22:36:11 | nsauzede | that's right |
| 22:36:25 | nsauzede | <sigh> I hope I had a recorder... |
| 22:36:44 | nsauzede | good night, guys, have to go ! |
| 22:37:03 | dwihn0r | Me too. I'm all worn out. |
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| 22:47:48 | Zagor | mbr: why are you adding strlen() to the width on propfont displays? |
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| 23:33:56 | mbr | Zagor: Are you there? Sorry was offline ... |
| 23:35:36 | mbr | I added strlen, because lcd_getstringsize does not count the pixels between characters for propfonts |
| 23:36:17 | mbr | OK lets talk about that tomorrow .. |
| 23:36:57 | Zagor | you should fix the bug in lcd_getstringsize instead |
| 23:37:40 | mbr | I'll do that. I just wanted to ask before I modify lcd.c |
| 23:38:07 | mbr | I was not sure if this is a bug |
| 23:38:50 | mbr | Additional i'd like compatible lcd_getstringsize in lodable and prop fonts |
| 23:41:10 | Zagor | the font system will be redone after 1.3 so don't spend too much effort cleaning that code |
| 23:42:04 | mbr | OK. I'll fix only the lcd_getstringsize for prop fonts |
| 23:42:34 | mbr | But it has to wait. I'm tired :) |
| 23:42:37 | Zagor | also I think you should consult us before adding things like status bar in menus. it's a design issue not to be decided by a single person |
| 23:42:45 | Zagor | sure. see you tomorrow. |
| 23:43:42 | mbr | Oh. I'm sorry. But Linus and Bagder said a while ago, that they want status bar im menus ... |
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| 23:43:58 | Zagor | they did? ok, sorry then. my mistake. |
| 23:44:24 | mbr | They said it before 1.2 was released. |
| 23:44:46 | Zagor | Miran: I don't know. did we break the battery meter? |
| 23:45:00 | Miran | under debug |
| 23:45:13 | Miran | the text is cut off at the bottem of the scale |
| 23:45:13 | Zagor | define "break". what goes wrong? |
| 23:45:54 | Miran | in the debug menu, there is a battery viewer |
| 23:46:01 | Miran | now the bottem half of the text is cut off |
| 23:46:09 | mbr | I broke it with the status bar changes .. |
| 23:46:18 | Miran | and the tops of the graph appear to be truncated |
| 23:46:24 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 11 minutes and 59 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:46:24 | * | dwihno|gone would love his USB icon checked in |
| 23:46:27 | dwihno|gone | Just thinking out loud :) |
| 23:46:32 | Zagor | :) |
| 23:46:45 | Zagor | dwihno|gone: not tonight. I'm going to sleep. |
| 23:47:14 | dwihno|gone | Zagor: well, the img is at http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif - do as you wish with it (I got a new job) |
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