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05:42:32	RedLeg	Gretz!
05:43:47	RedLeg	OK, the JR20 is VERY close to full.... what's the drive upgrade of choice?
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06:01:26	RedLeg	Any life here?
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06:36:10	dwihno\|gone	RedLeg: afaik, the 40 gb disks are a good choice, since they're not THAT expensive.
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07:02:41	RedLeg	Hmmmm, any known good or bad brands/models?
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07:15:04	rwood	anyone here who has had the case off of a recorder?
07:24:27	elinenbe	rwood: are you working on rolo for the recorder?? some of us are anxiously awaiting it!!!!
07:25:43	rwood	elinenbe: yes - i can load rockbox versions, but still hang loading archos versions.
07:26:42	rwood	elinenbe: i am considering opening it up and insturmenting the RAM so i can see where the firmware is hanging
07:28:06	elinenbe	rwood: sounds great
07:28:10	rwood	before i open it i would like to know if the RAM is on the outside or will i have to take the sandwich apart
07:28:30	elinenbe	rwood: oh... I don't know. I think there are some pictures on the rockbox site.
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07:29:12	elinenbe	http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/recorder.html
07:29:43	rwood	elinenbe: i have looked there, but can't tell which side is which - linus will probably know when he comes on
07:30:30	elinenbe	taking the sandwich apart is a pain in the ass. yeah, Linus will probably know.
07:31:04	rwood	i'll probablly put the serial port mod in for gdb at the same time
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07:50:02	adi\|dads	howdy mbr
07:50:10	mbr	morning
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08:12:19	Hes	Good morning
08:16:04	adi\|dads	morning
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08:23:33	bobTHC\|work	morning
08:23:38	adi\|dads	morning
08:23:41	adi\|dads	i miss anyone?
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08:28:33	Bagder	I'll have a go at the play-dir with shuffe resume bug
08:28:57	adi\|dads	bagder.. im getting tired of fixing html pages
08:28:57	Bagder	adi\|dads: good mail
08:29:05	adi\|dads	damn 'foot.t' bug
08:29:07	adi\|dads	you think so?
08:29:12	adi\|dads	i didnt want to sound the asshole
08:29:17	adi\|dads	but im sick and tired of those mails
08:29:27	Bagder	yes, I was about to react the same way on that "nobody seems to care" mail
08:29:29	adi\|dads	"wah.. i want my email answered _now_"
08:29:44	adi\|dads	i mean.. Jesus H. Christ
08:29:48	adi\|dads	its a volunteer project
08:29:50	adi\|dads	deal with it :)
08:30:08	*	adi\|dads thinks being trapped is reallllly starting to affect his politeness online
08:37:49	adi\|dads	umm.. any reason the tshirt page went to 2 cols?
08:38:18	Bagder	yes, the amount of designs
08:38:26	Bagder	you think its bad?
08:39:15	adi\|dads	not bad
08:39:22	adi\|dads	just tough to figure out the front and back ones
08:39:34	adi\|dads	i think it would make more sense to have 1 col
08:39:40	adi\|dads	with the front/back ones on the same line
08:39:46	adi\|dads	so its 1 entry per line
08:39:48	Bagder	ah, that's a good idea
08:39:52	adi\|dads	w/2 images if needed
08:39:55	adi\|dads	want me to fix?
08:39:56	Bagder	I'll try that later on
08:40:02	adi\|dads	ill get it... give me a min
08:40:10	Bagder	no, it isn't in cvs
08:40:16	adi\|dads	damn you
08:40:20	adi\|dads	put it in the cvs! ;)
08:40:21	Bagder	although I guess I could put it there of course
08:40:27	adi\|dads	ehhe
08:40:28	Bagder	sure, hang on
08:40:34	*	adi\|dads wants everything in the cvs :)
08:40:40	Bagder	you're right
08:41:03	*	adi\|dads punches adi\|work in the nads
08:41:07	*	adi\|dads feels it from here
08:42:32	adi\|dads	btw.. i was thinking
08:42:52	adi\|dads	are there any .t files that shouldn't have a '#include head.t' and #include foot.t in them?
08:43:27	Bagder	not if they're meant to be displayed as html I think
08:43:39	adi\|dads	cause ppl keep forgetting the foot.t
08:43:54	adi\|dads	so i was wondering if it makes more sense for the conversion script to insert it automatically
08:44:04	adi\|dads	rather then the .t having the head/foot.t includes
08:44:14	adi\|dads	that make sense?
08:45:12	Bagder	yes it makes sense
08:45:27	adi\|dads	i take it the conversion script is server side (not in cvs)?
08:45:36	adi\|dads	oh.. and your txt2plain.pl... was that finished?
08:45:50	Bagder	it is "finished"
08:45:53	Bagder	that is, it works
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08:46:02	adi\|dads	but?
08:46:09	Bagder	but it can always be improved of course
08:46:13	adi\|dads	nods
08:46:14	Bagder	morning matsl
08:46:26	Bagder	adi\|dads: we use it for the battery faq now too
08:46:35	adi\|dads	ahh.. nm.. didn't realize it was being used
08:46:39	adi\|dads	the battery faq?
08:46:54	Bagder	adi\|dads: update your CVS and you'll get a BATTERY next to your FAQ
08:47:00	Bagder	using your format
08:47:21	adi\|dads	nods
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08:47:37	Bagder	btw, I'm advocating putting the FAQ and BATTERY somewhere in the source tree instead
08:47:38	adi\|dads	ahhh.. didnt see that earlier
08:47:44	Bagder	to make them come in the source distributions
08:47:49	adi\|dads	that makes sense
08:48:13	adi\|dads	we might want to consider a 'docs' directory off the main branch
08:48:20	adi\|dads	for the README's, FAQs etc
08:48:25	Bagder	right, that could be a good thing
08:48:43	adi\|dads	then you just have a README in each subdir pointing you to the main doc/
08:48:52	*	adi\|dads always liked that design on other projects
08:48:56	Bagder	I like that
08:49:10	matsl	Bagder: morning
08:49:29	adi\|dads	that way, when/if we have any man pages for things in the future, we can stick them there...
08:49:32	adi\|dads	and what not
08:49:40	Bagder	yeps
08:49:50	adi\|dads	hmmm.. what i _could_ do..
08:49:53	adi\|dads	is build that now...
08:49:57	Bagder	and if we want them on the web site, we use them as source files and convert them using some tools into html and things
08:49:58	adi\|dads	copy the stuff over
08:50:02	adi\|dads	and see if ppl like it...
08:50:15	adi\|dads	w/o rm'ing the originals
08:50:23	adi\|dads	nods
08:50:32	adi\|dads	well the www stuff should be able to see the docs files
08:50:38	adi\|dads	so refering to them shouldn't be a prob
08:51:48	adi\|dads	grrr.. we really need a naming convention for these tshirt images
08:51:55	adi\|dads	seems like we had one, but we stopped using it
08:52:07	Bagder	I'm a lazy person
08:52:09	Bagder	;-)
08:52:19	adi\|dads	heheh ill try and clean up slowly as i go if you want ;)
08:52:36	Bagder	sure, but renaming files is annoying with cvs
08:52:41	*	adi\|dads nods
08:52:55	adi\|dads	hell i have like another wk and a half to find stupid stuff to do
08:53:00	adi\|dads	painful to code remotely
08:54:05	Bagder	btw, any changes to the tshirt stuff won't take effect right now
08:54:11	adi\|dads	i know..
08:54:12	adi\|dads	it takes time
08:54:23	adi\|dads	id need to run the makefile on the server, correct?
08:54:25	Bagder	yes, but it needs to be fixed on the server first to work
08:54:30	*	adi\|dads nods
08:54:43	Bagder	since the directory on the server is put outside cvs
08:54:49	Bagder	so cvs update will not work properly
08:54:57	*	adi\|dads thinks he may need to poke you all in the future about some kind of limited access for that ;)
08:55:01	Bagder	it needs to be removed first, then cvs update
08:55:05	adi\|dads	ahh.. so it needs to pull down from the CVS?
08:55:09	Bagder	yes
08:55:11	adi\|dads	okay..
08:55:21	adi\|dads	so if i change a filename, i need to remove
08:55:24	Bagder	and Bj�rn is the master of that so I let him do that
08:55:24	adi\|dads	then update?
08:55:32	adi\|dads	or just for _any_ update
08:55:37	adi\|dads	it needs to be done that way?
08:56:18	Bagder	no, you just use cvs as you use to
08:56:27	adi\|dads	nods
08:56:28	adi\|dads	okay
08:56:39	Bagder	I'm just saying that Zaggie needs to patch the server for the tshirt pages to start working off cvs
08:56:45	adi\|dads	got ya...
08:56:45	adi\|dads	np
08:57:03	adi\|dads	well.. what i can do, is set up a demo on my web server.. see what you think of the layout
08:57:05	adi\|dads	hows that sound?
08:57:20	Bagder	sure
08:57:34	Bagder	that's usually how I do it when I modify things too
08:57:48	Bagder	some nice symlinks into the cvs ;-)
08:58:15	adi\|dads	hehe i hadn't thought of that... hmmm... i need to get all those links then...
08:58:24	adi\|dads	bah.. ill just scp all the files over.. much easier ;)
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09:00:04	matsl	Bagder: report on simulator icons
09:00:13	Bagder	how's the progess?
09:00:20	*	adi\|dads cheers matsl on
09:00:31	adi\|dads	tell us its done you stud ;)
09:01:01	matsl	Bagder: I can display on the second line
09:01:22	matsl	Bagder: ... but I think maybe the simulator doesn't call lcd_icon like the player does.
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09:01:44	Bagder	what makes you think that?
09:01:54	Bagder	isn't lcd_icon() used from app code?
09:03:00	matsl	Bagder: yes, but I have only seen the param icon display and not allways.
09:03:45	Bagder	grep lcd_icon *.c \| wc -l
09:03:45	Bagder	42
09:03:47	matsl	Bagder: There are a bunch of #ifdefs that control when lcd_icon is used. Maybe they are not correct allways for the simulator.
09:03:56	Bagder	hm
09:04:25	Bagder	any examples where you think it should be called where it isn't?
09:04:32	matsl	Bagder: Just a thought. I have the code so I will have a look at it.
09:05:11	*	Bagder can't really test the resume play-dir bug in the simulator
09:05:28	adi\|dads	Bagder you think it makes sense to remove the header in the FAQ?
09:05:30	Bagder	we need to improve the simulated mpeg thread
09:05:36	adi\|dads	seeing as we have it listed off the website now...
09:05:48	adi\|dads	or maybe we could work in some kind of comment line for the .pl script
09:06:02	adi\|dads	or is # treated as comment when the script runs?
09:06:28	matsl	Bagder: We need to improve the simulator when it comes to the keys as well.
09:06:40	Bagder	adi\|dads: well, the srcipt is adjusted to treat everything before the first Q as a "header"
09:07:02	Bagder	adi\|dads: and that is printed within <pre> </pre>
09:07:23	adi\|dads	right.. but it still doesn't display properly on the web page
09:07:31	Bagder	no?
09:07:34	adi\|dads	and what we have in one faq, we should have in both...
09:07:37	Bagder	looks fine on mine
09:07:59	Bagder	btw, http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery.html is the battery one
09:08:09	adi\|dads	right..
09:08:14	adi\|dads	but look at the standard FAQ
09:08:17	adi\|dads	__________ __ ___.
09:08:17	adi\|dads	Open \______ \ ____ ____ \| \| _\_ \|__ _______ ___
09:08:17	adi\|dads	Source \| _// _ \_/ ___\\| \|/ /\| __ \ / _ \ \/ /
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09:08:17	adi\|dads	Jukebox \| \| ( <_> ) \___\| < \| \_\ ( <_> > < <
09:08:17	adi\|dads	Firmware \|____\|_ /\____/ \___ >__\|_ \\|___ /\____/__/\_ \
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09:08:18	adi\|dads	\/ \/ \/ \/ \/
09:08:21	adi\|dads	grr.. sry
09:08:23	adi\|dads	misfire
09:08:27	matsl	basic low level c Q. can you initialize an array of structs: static struct my_struct my_structs[] = { ... }?
09:08:41	adi\|dads	the spacing looks all off..
09:08:43	adi\|dads	nods
09:08:48	adi\|dads	i think so matsl
09:09:21	matsl	I need pointer to working code. I'm getting some parse error when I try it.
09:09:40	adi\|dads	do me a favor..
09:09:44	adi\|dads	the parts its bitching about...
09:09:49	adi\|dads	cut and past to #spam
09:09:54	Bagder	matsl: you need {} around each struct in the array
09:10:06	matsl	Bagder: I know.
09:10:59	matsl	Bagder: I'll have another go at it now that you have verified that it should work.
09:11:23	Bagder	you can only init it to static values too
09:11:34	Bagder	unless we talk C99
09:11:45	matsl	That's ok for me.
09:12:15	bobTHC	Have u seen the creative Open source Project, take a look @ http://opensource.creative.com/
09:12:49	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
09:12:49	*	Bagder has seen it
09:13:00	bobTHC	Archos will do the same !!!
09:13:53	Bagder	perhaps
09:16:14	bobTHC	for the moment they don't contact us(and they knows) so they can help us a little like creative do...
09:16:51	adi\|dads	personally.. id prefer they had nothing to do with us
09:16:59	*	adi\|dads fears retributions
09:17:05	bobTHC	why ?
09:17:18	Bagder	there are some behind-the-curtains actions going on
09:17:22	*	adi\|dads fears them having issues with what we do...
09:17:27	adi\|dads	whats that bagder?
09:17:33	*	adi\|dads didn't understand
09:17:56	bobTHC	badger : like what?
09:18:07	Bagder	I'm just saying that there is some lobbying going on by people
09:18:17	Hes	in which direction?
09:18:17	bobTHC	here ?
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09:18:22	Bagder	and there is no question about that Archos knows very well what we're doing
09:18:54	bobTHC	for sure
09:18:56	Bagder	I don't want to tell you any specifics yet, and it is all Bj�rn's show really
09:19:30	Hes	Interesting.
09:20:19	bobTHC	U think already some archos ppl already contribute hidden ?
09:20:26	Bagder	no
09:20:34	Bagder	I don't think so
09:20:48	bobTHC	just make some lobbying...
09:20:51	adi\|dads	do you think Bjorn is just trying to cover his ass from lawsuits?
09:21:02	adi\|dads	ie: kiss ass, play nice, we keep our project?
09:21:13	Bagder	no, I don't
09:21:24	Bagder	I think he wants things to get real before he says anything
09:21:30	*	adi\|dads nods
09:21:31	Bagder	not just talks and intensions
09:21:57	adi\|dads	any idea on when/if he intends to spill the beans on whats going on?
09:22:10	*	adi\|dads points out that maybe this section of the log needs to be edited out ;)
09:22:42	bobTHC	paranoia is the rule, isn't it adi ?
09:22:44	Bagder	well, if things don't turn out good then maybe it'll never become anything to mention
09:23:16	*	adi\|dads nods
09:23:21	Bagder	and if it turn out good, you'll get to know
09:23:30	adi\|dads	just cause you're paranoid, does not me they _aren't_ out to ge tyou...
09:23:32	*	adi\|dads nods
09:23:39	adi\|dads	s/me/mean
09:23:58	adi\|dads	paranoia is healthy
09:24:00	Bagder	now, back to debuggin
09:24:01	adi\|dads	mania is not ;)
09:31:07	matsl	Bagder: problem spotted, lcd_clear_display whipes my icons out. Confused!?
09:31:11	adi\|dads	btw.. with the # of entries with front and back on the shirts.. you guys may want to edit the rules..
09:31:24	Bagder	matsl: it clears the screen, it wipes everything out
09:31:43	matsl	i know.
09:31:52	Bagder	adi\|dads: I know, I just haven't decided quite how yet
09:31:58	*	adi\|dads nods
09:34:35	Bagder	matsl: I guess clear_display() on the player target doesn't clear the icons so then the simulator version shouldn't either
09:35:13	matsl	Bagder: Jupp.
09:36:50	matsl	Bagder: two possible solutions. 1: don't clear the pixel 2: make lcd_update redraw the icons.
09:37:16	matsl	Bagder: Comment?
09:37:38	Bagder	I'd go for alternative 1
09:37:55	*	matsl feels nice memset debugging comming up
09:38:04	matsl	ok
09:39:02	Bagder	it's really not tricky, all you need to do is clear from ypos 8 height 32
09:39:50	matsl	I know. I'm just such a bummer when it come to counting bits. Maybe I have learned my lesson now.
09:39:57	Bagder	hehe
09:40:11	Bagder	you'll become a better bitcounter! ;-)
09:40:15	matsl	Bagder: Thanks for the support.
09:40:36	mbr	have a little problem with usb in wps on recorders
09:41:18	Bagder	mbr: tell us
09:41:23	mbr	when plugging the cable, status bar ist still redrawn. and when unplugging recorder does not return to root
09:41:37	mbr	Sorry, typespeed is too slow :)
09:42:30	mbr	I don't understand that ...
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09:43:57	mbr	Additional all buttons work (i.e. Volume)
09:45:42	adi\|dads	anyone know off hand if lee pilgrim's tshirt design is for the front or back of the shirt?
09:46:07	Bagder	adi\|dads: no side was specified
09:46:11	adi\|dads	k...
09:46:21	adi\|dads	ill assume front until told otherwise :)
09:46:30	Bagder	hey rwood, how's the rolo hacking going?
09:47:20	Bagder	mbr: I agree that it sounds weird
09:49:23	rwood	Bagder: i'm about to break the warranty seal to insturment the RAM so i can use a logic analyzer to find out where 1.27d is looping
09:49:45	Bagder	neato
09:50:47	rwood	has anyone here had a recorder out of the case?
09:51:05	*	Bagder hasn't
09:51:11	Hadaka	haha - he says that he's going to break the warranty seal - and the response is "neato" :)
09:51:37	Bagder	hehe, well I'm looking forward to the results from that brave move ;-)
09:51:37	rwood	anything for the cause
09:52:18	adi\|dads	Bagder wanna check out http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/tshirts/designs.html
09:52:24	adi\|dads	i was thinking something along that line
09:52:28	adi\|dads	to whats at the top
09:53:21	Bagder	yeps, that's fine
09:53:54	adi\|dads	k
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10:04:49	Hes	Hadaka: Hi, did you check out the travel charger's specs?
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10:14:34	Bagder	I think I fixed the resume-play-all-dir-with-shuffle bug
10:14:57	Bagder	hard to say, as it can't be run in the simulator properly
10:16:04	mbr	Some more infos about wps usb bug. It was introduced between 7 days ago and 6 days ago.
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10:23:04	Topic	"do you cvs update often enough?" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
10:24:15	notch\|out	3 -5 times a day :-)
10:24:25	Bagder	:-)
10:25:33	notch\|out	but i'm always dissapointed when make says there is nothing to do :-\|
10:26:28	Bagder	.. then you can mail the mailing list and say "work harder to lazy bastards" ;-)
10:26:38	Bagder	s/to/you
10:26:43	notch\|out	ohh the tee shirts have been loaded... must have a wee look...
10:26:50	notch\|out	hehe
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10:28:05	Bagder	hey ho Z
10:28:07	Zagor	hi
10:28:16	mbr	morn zagor
10:28:29	*	Zagor yawns
10:28:43	Bagder	Zagor: it would be cool if you renamed the tshirt dir and cvs updated the web
10:28:50	Bagder	Zagor: I put that whole dir on cvs
10:28:54	Zagor	ah
10:29:24	Bagder	... so that adi can play around with it :-)
10:30:43	Zagor	fixed
10:30:51	Zagor	mbr: thanks for the heads-up mail :-)
10:32:55	mbr	:)
10:34:18	adi\|dads	http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/tshirts/designs.html
10:34:24	adi\|dads	hows that bagder?
10:35:29	bobTHC	adi : i'm not in deal but it's the good one
10:35:34	bobTHC	;)
10:35:41	Bagder	adi\|dads: two things, the initial text says the names are below the designs when they're above now, and I think it should mention which image is back/front
10:35:47	*	adi\|dads nods
10:35:54	adi\|dads	i know about the nameing issue..
10:35:57	adi\|dads	was the layout..
10:36:01	adi\|dads	let me fix.. make correct
10:36:06	*	adi\|dads thanks bobTHC
10:38:42	mbr	A last question about teh wps usb bug. shall I send a mail to ml about it?
10:39:07	Bagder	please do
10:39:15	mbr	curretly I have not the time to search and fix it
10:40:23	notch\|out	I like #12 - it has my name listed :-) twice :-))
10:41:10	Bagder	hehe, elinenbe is listed twice too on that one
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10:45:13	bobTHC	I like the #5 because it's mine ;)
10:45:51	bobTHC	Linus come on irc this day?
10:46:36	Bagder	he usually comes every day
10:47:58	bobTHC	it's about my obsession, I found some infos on time strechting ;)
10:49:31	adi\|dads	http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/tshirts/designs.html
10:49:37	adi\|dads	see if thats better...
10:49:46	bobTHC	but without any idea for "how to code for the DSP core " it's just infos...
10:52:03	Hadaka	oof
10:52:11	Hadaka	forgot to check the travel charger specs :(
10:52:12	adi\|dads	what oof?
10:52:17	adi\|dads	hehe oh
10:52:22	Hadaka	damn, have to do it later tonight then
10:52:33	Hes	Thanks...
10:52:52	Hes	would be good for the battery faq
10:52:56	adi\|dads	hehe i like the new quote
10:53:00	adi\|dads	"Unjtil now all seems to have been done ! Nothing is too hard to program for the
10:53:00	adi\|dads	RockBox Staff !
10:53:01	adi\|dads	"
10:53:16	adi\|dads	Midy just became my buddy :)
10:55:31	adi\|dads	anyone seen Devos battery life question?
10:58:28	adi\|dads	lol... we're getting requests to firmware for other archos projects.. i love it
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11:02:18	adi\|dads	okay.. tshirt page updated...
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11:31:02	bobTHC	Plotting the Waveform On The screen of the recorder can be useful ?
11:32:01	Bagder	it isn't possible
11:32:44	Blaster_Master	is it posible to make a "moving equilalizer (pardon my lousy spelling)", the chars is there for it (saw them in the research notes) .. LCD char 0x80 to 0x86 ??
11:33:07	Bagder	what is a "moving equilalizer" ?
11:33:19	Zagor	VU bars, on the player
11:33:28	Bagder	I don't think it is possible
11:33:36	Bagder	at least not the same way as done on recorders
11:33:37	bobTHC	with ascii art
11:33:38	Blaster_Master	YES ! like on my stereo, a moving line sertain freq. areas
11:34:03	Bagder	the MAS on recorders have readable registers for that sort of thing that the player version doesn't offer
11:34:18	adi\|dads	Bagder i made the battery faq and the general faq look the same
11:34:19	adi\|dads	no headers
11:34:20	bobTHC	take a look @ and tell me if that can help us http://www.dspdimension.com/html/funstuff.html
11:34:26	Bagder	adi\|dads: ok
11:34:54	Bagder	bobTHC: how would that help us?
11:35:06	Zagor	we don't have the sound data, only mp3 data
11:35:10	bobTHC	i think it's a problem of float buffer
11:35:20	Bagder	no, there's a lack of data
11:35:23	Zagor	we'd have to decode the mp3 in software, which is simply not possible
11:36:27	adi\|dads	cvs -z3 -d:ext:adiamas@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox add docs
11:36:29	bobTHC	the mas doesn't feed nothing apart of sound ?
11:36:33	adi\|dads	that should add a docs dir no?
11:36:54	Bagder	adi\|dads: no you need to create a 'docs' module
11:37:00	Zagor	bobTHC: we feed it mp3, it creates sound
11:37:37	bobTHC	ok and no feedback datas ?
11:37:47	Zagor	only on the recorder mas
11:37:58	Bagder	and only left/right
11:38:02	Zagor	yes
11:38:08	bobTHC	the two famous register for vumeter
11:38:50	Bagder	Zagor: you game on adding a 'docs' module for things like the FAQ?
11:39:04	Zagor	ok, everyone. what bugs do we have left for 1.3?
11:39:11	Zagor	Bagder: sure
11:39:18	Bagder	Zagor: mbr's wps/usb bug
11:39:26	*	adi\|dads beats Bagder over the head
11:39:27	Bagder	Zagor: possibly the resume-all-dir-with-shuffle
11:39:30	adi\|dads	don't you think i asked first ;)
11:39:36	*	Bagder hides
11:39:42	Zagor	Bagder: didn't you fix that?
11:39:45	Bagder	adi\|dads: use 'cvs import'
11:39:51	Bagder	or shall I?
11:39:59	adi\|dads	nah.. ill get it..
11:40:03	*	adi\|dads needs to learn cvs ;)
11:40:13	Bagder	adi\|dads: import an empty dir, then use 'add' to add the specify files
11:40:19	*	adi\|dads nods
11:40:23	adi\|dads	that seems odd..
11:40:26	adi\|dads	and diff from the docs
11:40:31	adi\|dads	docs say just to 'add'
11:40:33	Bagder	no
11:40:42	Bagder	it says add in case you have a module checked out
11:40:49	Bagder	and in the root, you have no module
11:41:02	Bagder	the modules are 'firmware' 'app' 'tools' etc
11:41:04	adi\|dads	got ya
11:41:28	Bagder	so you need to create a new "module" named docs
11:41:45	*	matsl preparing for player simulator icons checkin
11:42:06	Zagor	matsl: cool!
11:42:10	Bagder	Zagor: perhaps we should do the terrible... feature freeze? ;-)
11:42:12	matsl	Bagder: I have a small makefile problem
11:42:33	Bagder	'man make' ;-)
11:42:36	*	Bagder grins
11:42:42	Bagder	nah, what is the prob?
11:42:50	adi\|dads	so "cvs import -b root -m "inital creation" docs"?
11:43:01	Zagor	Bagder: I feel like we already have it, but fixing the simulator is not really a "feature" IMHO
11:43:17	Zagor	I'm holding off a lot of fixes to get 1.3 out first
11:43:36	Zagor	a more-or-less complete wps.c rewrite, for instance :-)
11:43:47	Bagder	adi\|dads: 'cvs import -m "initial creation" docs adi first'
11:43:50	matsl	I have a subdirr to common where I have put the icons. I build headerfiles for each icon and use them in my simulator code.
11:43:56	adi\|dads	okay... close :)
11:44:21	matsl	Bagder: Should I squeeze in this build in the overall build or checkin the icon headerfiles?
11:44:27	Bagder	adi\|dads: then it imports all files in your "current dir"
11:45:02	Zagor	matsl: icon header files? aren't they C files?
11:45:41	adi\|dads	grrr.. i try that Bagder and it just complains and dumps the usage list
11:45:52	adi\|dads	cvs import -m "initial creation" docs adi
11:45:57	adi\|dads	s/adi/adiamas
11:46:08	Bagder	adi\|dads: one more argument is needed
11:46:13	Bagder	"releasetag"
11:46:21	Bagder	cvs import -m "initial creation" docs adi blaha
11:46:32	adi\|dads	what is a releasetag?
11:46:39	adi\|dads	i mean, whats its purpose?
11:46:52	matsl	Bagder: sort of. Since I do (example) "include icons/battery.h" I named them .h
11:47:04	Bagder	adi\|dads: it tags the imported file with that specified tag
11:47:14	Bagder	adi\|dads: just a named label on the imported version
11:47:18	adi\|dads	okay
11:47:50	Bagder	matsl: you should not put C code in .h files
11:48:17	matsl	Bagder: include "icons/bitmap.c" looks ugly
11:48:30	Zagor	don't include it. compile it.
11:48:37	Zagor	no data in .h files. ever.
11:49:08	Bagder	matsl: just put all icons in the C file, that's how we have the recorder ones
11:49:20	*	matsl thinking he was close to checkin ..
11:49:39	Bagder	hehehe, that was before the Code Police struck down ;-)
11:49:53	adi\|dads	CVSROOT should be /home/rhak/src/rockbox/ correct?
11:49:57	adi\|dads	or rockbox/CVSROOT?
11:50:03	adi\|dads	in the env
11:50:25	*	Zagor runs apt-get install openoffice.org
11:50:33	Bagder	adi\|dads: it should be the full user@cvs...:/cvsroot/rockbox
11:50:37	matsl	Bagder: I have it (semi) automatic. Edit the bmp file and just make
11:50:47	adi\|dads	ahh.. k
11:50:59	Bagder	matsl: so, make separate .c files and compile them
11:51:11	Bagder	or concatenate them
11:51:45	matsl	Bagder: I get the message.
11:51:47	adi\|dads	that was my prob :) wrong CVSROOT
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11:52:04	adi\|dads	hmm.. taht _can't_ be right
11:52:11	adi\|dads	its trying to load all the other dirs into ti
11:52:17	*	matsl need lunch before fiddling with makefiles ...
11:52:29	Bagder	adi\|dads: I told you to do it in an empty dir...
11:52:45	adi\|dads	oh.. hehe i thought i just needed the target to be an empty dir...
11:52:51	Bagder	hehe
11:52:52	adi\|dads	i stoped before it commited ;)
11:53:04	Bagder	it imports all files and dirs recursively in your current dir
11:53:12	adi\|dads	got ya...
11:53:31	Bagder	and no, it isn't the most user-friendly tool ;-)
11:53:43	adi\|dads	im noticing ;)
11:53:43	*	Blaster_Master must feeeeed
11:54:05	adi\|dads	okay.. i get "No conflicts created by this import" and it shows in the tree..
11:54:15	adi\|dads	do i need to create a CVS dir inside the empty dir now?
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11:55:02	Bagder	no, you should be able to do the import directly from your empty dir by using the -d option or having CVSROOT set
11:55:15	adi\|dads	no.. i mean.. the import worked...
11:55:19	Bagder	ah
11:55:23	adi\|dads	the docs dir is in the tree now
11:55:32	Bagder	then you go to your normal rockbox root and checkout it
11:55:34	adi\|dads	just not sure if i need another step before i add files
11:55:38	adi\|dads	okay
11:55:49	Bagder	possibly just update if you checkedout . before
11:56:16	adi\|dads	cvs checkout: in directory docs:
11:56:16	adi\|dads	cvs checkout: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
11:56:16	adi\|dads	cvs server: Updating docs
11:56:17	adi\|dads	?
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12:00:45	matsl	Bagder: the lunch made me think properly. I'll just manually cut-n-paste the darn icons into the .c-files. (and keep the icons folder for future improvements.)
12:03:03	matsl	I have two icons not accounted for yet. ICON_1 and ICON_REPEAT. How do they look? Need I boot with arhos firmware?
12:06:30	*	matsl thinks everybody has gone to lunch. (Why don't they work from the kitchen as me ;-)
12:07:21	*	adi\|dads smirks
12:07:29	adi\|dads	im working on going to bed here..
12:07:38	adi\|dads	its 0600 est
12:07:45	Zagor	wuss ;)
12:07:58	adi\|dads	thats what... hmm.. 13:00 Zulu?
12:08:03	*	adi\|dads nods happily
12:08:05	adi\|dads	damn right ;)
12:08:17	adi\|dads	now that im at my father.. all nighters a shuned on ;)
12:08:24	Zagor	hehe
12:08:29	adi\|dads	Zagor, i created a 'docs' directory in the root,
12:08:34	adi\|dads	but i don't know what to do from there..
12:08:44	adi\|dads	mind taking a look at the cvs and see what i need to fix/screwe dup?
12:09:44	Zagor	sure
12:10:02	Zagor	well, what's the problem?
12:10:55	adi\|dads	well.. i don't see a CVS dir below it...
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12:11:04	adi\|dads	i did the import.. not sure what to do after it.
12:11:13	Zagor	ah. remove it and check it out again
12:11:21	*	adi\|dads is still new to CVS ;)
12:11:24	adi\|dads	okay..
12:11:49	adi\|dads	hehe cool :)
12:12:14	adi\|dads	what i figured made sense is to have a README in each main branch.. pointing to the docs directory and its README
12:12:16	adi\|dads	what do you think?
12:12:28	Zagor	sounds good
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12:25:58	adi\|dads	the FILES files... should those list the files in the actual dir? or is *.[ch] acceptable
12:26:06	adi\|dads	seeing as we are doing *.[ch]
12:26:15	adi\|dads	seems kinda pointless if we don't list the actual files
12:26:42	Zagor	it's used for the release script, to select which files should be included in the tarball
12:27:16	adi\|dads	got ya...
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12:34:58	adi\|dads	Zagor if i update the Makefile under www/docs/ to reference the root /docs will it take on your side
12:35:05	adi\|dads	or do you need to change somethng manually?
12:37:22	Zagor	how do you mean reference?
12:37:34	adi\|dads	think: ../../docs/FAQ
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12:38:38	Zagor	ah. well I need to check out the docs module first
12:38:51	adi\|dads	nods
12:38:53	adi\|dads	take a look :)
12:39:18	adi\|dads	ive basically just copied files over... and added correct info to the other readme's wehre needed
12:39:51	adi\|dads	btw.. how would 'docs/' be added to the package for release?
12:39:56	adi\|dads	anything special need to be done?
12:40:48	Zagor	yes, you should add a FILES file to the docs dir
12:40:58	adi\|dads	okay.. thats done already
12:41:05	Zagor	ok, that should be enough
12:41:36	adi\|dads	any prob with me correcting the Makefile in www/docs then?
12:41:40	Zagor	btw, you can't reference like you intended
12:41:48	adi\|dads	hmmm.. how come?
12:42:32	Zagor	because I have the www checked out as html root, so there's already a docs dir in there. i'll have to do a fix
12:42:44	adi\|dads	is that a problem for you?
12:42:51	Zagor	hang on..
12:42:54	*	adi\|dads doesnt want to be more a headache then possible
12:46:55	Zagor	adi\|dads: refer to ../docs_ instead. that way they don't collide
12:47:54	adi\|dads	is docs_ going to be mapped to ROOT/docs on your side?
12:47:59	adi\|dads	and be parsed out?
12:48:08	*	adi\|dads thinks he's missing something
12:48:27	Zagor	yes
12:48:39	Zagor	because my root is www/, not ROOT
12:48:45	adi\|dads	ahh.. okay...
12:48:54	adi\|dads	so i do ../../docs_ and you are okay?
12:49:04	Zagor	no, use ../docs_
12:49:07	Zagor	only one level down
12:49:09	Zagor	up
12:49:10	adi\|dads	okay
12:49:11	Zagor	whatever :-)
12:50:06	adi\|dads	okay.. done :)
12:50:52	Bagder	adi\|dads: A36, wrong spelling of together ;-)
12:50:58	adi\|dads	hehe k
12:51:16	Zagor	and it's BATTERY-FAQ, not BATTERY
12:51:40	Bagder	it is?
12:51:45	adi\|dads	i renamed it
12:51:52	Bagder	aha
12:51:53	adi\|dads	better explaination of the file
12:51:55	Zagor	you can't. this is CVS :-)
12:52:02	adi\|dads	assuming we build other faqs along the line
12:52:03	Bagder	hehe
12:52:05	adi\|dads	sure i can ;)
12:52:09	adi\|dads	its a new file in a new dir
12:52:11	Bagder	yes, it is a better name
12:52:41	Zagor	well I still only have BATTERY-FAQ in docs_
12:52:57	adi\|dads	i know.. im fixing the makefile :)
12:53:15	adi\|dads	do we have any pages pointed at battery.html (other then faq.html?)
12:53:16	*	matsl relaxes with coffe after icons for player is checked in
12:53:22	Bagder	adi\|dads: no
12:53:30	Bagder	it hasn't been made "official"
12:53:45	Bagder	matsl: nice to see the commits!
12:54:00	matsl	Bagder: Some minor glitches though!
12:54:14	adi\|dads	in that case, mind if i rename battery.t to battery-faq.t?
12:54:28	Bagder	adi\|dads: certainly not, please go ahead
12:54:32	adi\|dads	k
12:55:47	matsl	Bagder: Two unknown icons. ICON_REPEAT and ICON_1. How do they look. Can I find them in archos firmware?
12:56:05	Bagder	I don't know, I don't have a player
12:57:05	matsl	Bagder: Another glitch. Scroll down to the bottom in a menu and you get an arrow to the left on last icon line.
12:57:17	Bagder	hehe
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12:57:21	Bagder	boooo :-)
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13:00:42	adi\|dads	okay.. i think that does it...
13:00:57	adi\|dads	Zagor, wanna try a reload of the faq stuff?
13:01:58	Zagor	ok
13:02:56	adi\|dads	does it make sense to leave a copy of the file COPYING in firmware/ ?
13:03:02	Zagor	yes
13:03:06	adi\|dads	just in case ppl don't dl'd docs/
13:03:08	adi\|dads	okay...
13:03:25	adi\|dads	i removed API CONFIG CONTRIBUTING and CREDITS
13:03:29	adi\|dads	those are all in /docs now
13:03:38	adi\|dads	unless you want them back
13:03:58	Zagor	nah. COPYING is special, since it's the license. it should be prominently displayed.
13:04:12	*	adi\|dads nods
13:04:14	adi\|dads	thats what i figured
13:04:39	Zagor	ok, web updated
13:05:47	Bagder	the battery link in the faq is wrong now ;-)
13:06:38	adi\|dads	im fixing it now ;)
13:06:43	adi\|dads	contributing was wrong as well ;)
13:07:13	Bagder	I'll make a minor fix for txt2plain.pl too
13:07:19	adi\|dads	k..
13:07:20	adi\|dads	ty
13:07:41	adi\|dads	hopefully all this makes life a bit easier as we continue to grow (*and hopefuly document more ;) )
13:07:50	adi\|dads	okay.. FAQ corrected ;)
13:09:21	*	Bagder thinks the docs_ stuff is a bit annoying but can live with it
13:09:38	adi\|dads	hmmm odd...
13:09:53	adi\|dads	http://rockbox.haxx.se/firmware/CONTRIBUTING
13:09:54	adi\|dads	works
13:09:55	adi\|dads	but
13:10:02	adi\|dads	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/CONTRIBUTING
13:10:04	adi\|dads	doesn't...
13:11:21	adi\|dads	http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvs.html
13:11:32	adi\|dads	can someone look at that link and tell me if the menu to the left is broken?
13:11:39	adi\|dads	mn
13:11:41	adi\|dads	im stupid
13:11:53	adi\|dads	nm even
13:12:49	Bagder	mbr rocks!
13:12:59	Zagor	as I said, the web page root is not ROOT so it's not an exact copy of the cvs structure
13:13:56	adi\|dads	nods
13:17:14	Bagder	how often do we poll the keyboard?
13:17:28	Zagor	20Hz
13:17:33	Bagder	ok
13:18:12	Bagder	and that awakes on an irq, right?
13:18:41	Zagor	yes
13:18:45	Zagor	the tick
13:18:48	*	Bagder still thinks of the SLEEP
13:18:50	Hes	The FAQ links to http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail.cgi
13:18:52	Hes	which is incorrect
13:19:46	Zagor	Bagder: will you look at why the win32sim compile doesn't find the files?
13:20:02	Bagder	uh
13:20:06	Bagder	sure
13:20:34	adi\|dads	good catch.. fixing
13:20:45	Bagder	why do I sense that matsl left out the win32 makefile? ;-)
13:21:03	matsl	Bagder: because he did
13:21:05	Zagor	matsl: looks good!
13:21:13	Bagder	naughty boy! ;-)
13:21:15	Zagor	ahh. :-)
13:21:33	Bagder	matsl: 17 red
13:21:42	adi\|dads	FAQ fixed
13:21:43	Bagder	now go stand in the corner! ;-)
13:22:00	adi\|dads	zagor.. can you do another make, i want to see if the Contributing.t i added goes through...
13:22:07	Zagor	adi\|dads: ok
13:22:09	matsl	I had to edit those pixmaps with paint. I thought windows got enough focus through that exercise.
13:22:22	Zagor	adi\|dads: done
13:22:36	Bagder	matsl: we don't care for windows, we just care for a green build ;-)
13:22:56	adi\|dads	heheh
13:24:28	adi\|dads	zag.. did anything on that build fail?
13:24:44	adi\|dads	nm,
13:24:46	Zagor	nope
13:24:52	matsl	Bagder: You fix, or shall I?
13:25:00	Bagder	I fix
13:25:30	adi\|dads	just seems that the faq.html wasn't updated
13:25:41	adi\|dads	i can get to contributing.html manually..
13:25:45	matsl	Bagder: Sorry for the misshap. I was too excited that I finally could check in. Forgot all about w32.
13:25:50	Zagor	correct, it wasn't
13:25:54	adi\|dads	ahh.. okay
13:25:57	Bagder	no worries
13:26:03	adi\|dads	nm then.. no worries ;)
13:26:27	matsl	Bagder: All little red somtimes inidicates that things are happening ;-)
13:26:43	Bagder	hehe
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13:26:50	adi\|dads	okay.. so we have a basic docs dir now...
13:27:03	adi\|dads	its a bit fuzzy to get stuff to ref it from the web, but it works.. :)
13:27:21	*	matsl still in the corner ...
13:27:34	adi\|dads	matsl whats your real name?
13:27:36	matsl	can i please, please go back now to my machine?
13:27:40	adi\|dads	need to add you to the irc id list
13:27:52	Bagder	matsl: uh, how do I get the .h files ?
13:28:16	matsl	Bagder: What?
13:28:23	Bagder	In file included from lcd-win32.h:24,
13:28:23	Bagder	from uisw32.h:24,
13:28:23	Bagder	from button.c:21:
13:28:23	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Bagder
13:28:23	Bagder	../../firmware/drivers/lcd.h:50: sim_icons.h: No such file or directory
13:28:35	Zagor	adi\|dads: /whois matsl :)
13:28:44	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
13:28:44	*	matsl Mats Lidell
13:28:44	Bagder	aaah
13:28:45	Bagder	sorry
13:28:48	*	Bagder is blind
13:28:55	matsl	Bagder: -I../common
13:29:10	Bagder	right
13:29:23	adi\|dads	heheh
13:29:31	matsl	Bagder: No problem, you can borrow my white stick
13:29:48	*	matsl don't need stick in the corner
13:30:01	adi\|dads	matsl: this is an open channel.. don't be perverse ;)
13:30:02	Bagder	=)
13:30:10	adi\|dads	what you two do in your own time is your own buisness ;)
13:30:31	*	adi\|dads wonders who else needs to be added to the irc nick list
13:30:53	Zagor	mbr
13:31:16	Bagder	rwood, hes, matp, Hadake
13:31:16	adi\|dads	with the exception of zag, linus and bag.. should i alphabetize that list?
13:31:28	Zagor	sounds like a good idea
13:31:33	adi\|dads	k
13:31:40	Bagder	been a long time since Wavey was around
13:31:41	MeRWiN	adi\|dads: are the lcd icons working?
13:32:46	adi\|dads	have to do that latter... fathers up.. need to run :)
13:32:48	adi\|dads	later all
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13:33:27	Zagor	MeRWiN: do you mean in the simulator?
13:33:47	matsl	Bagder: I seem to have woken up some warnings as well in status.c.
13:33:49	MeRWiN	Zagor: The custom icons... those new bitmaps that were added into cvs
13:34:01	Zagor	yes, they work
13:34:07	Zagor	matsl: yes
13:34:18	Bagder	MeRWiN: they're only for the player sim, not the target
13:34:32	Bagder	they're not the ones adi's been working on
13:34:36	MeRWiN	Bagder: darn.
13:34:44	Zagor	matsl: just add a default case and they will go away
13:35:39	matsl	Zagor: I just wonder why they show upp. I just included an include file. Sounds sceary.
13:36:04	Zagor	no you also enabled status display in player simulator
13:36:05	Bagder	blah, how do I make convert make a 8bit tmp from a monocrome gif?
13:36:11	Bagder	8bit bmp
13:36:22	Zagor	you removed an "&& !defined(SIMULATOR)"
13:36:29	matsl	Zagor: Hmm... I guess your right!
13:36:37	Bagder	or shall I bug matsl to make bmp2rb work with 1bit bmps? ;-)
13:37:09	Zagor	:-)
13:37:11	Bagder	tempting...
13:37:14	MeRWiN	Bagder: 8 bit bmp from a monochrome gif? paintshop :)
13:37:16	Bagder	:-P
13:37:58	Bagder	one would think that convert -depth 8 would do it
13:38:03	Bagder	but it doesn't
13:38:47	*	MeRWiN is on his way to work. ttyl.
13:38:48	matsl	bmp2br needs to have monochrome bitmaps with 256 palette.
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13:38:49	Bagder	http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif <= dwino's USB icon
13:39:22	Zagor	it's cool
13:39:39	Bagder	it is
13:39:51	matsl	My best solution so far is to use paint (juck)
13:41:28	Bagder	surely gimp can to it too
13:42:33	matsl	Probably but how? All my attempts so far has failed.
13:42:53	Bagder	ah, I'll patch bmp2rb soonish
13:43:07	PsycoXul	hmm
13:43:17	PsycoXul	what do you want to do exactly?
13:43:31	Bagder	convert a gif to a 8bit bmp
13:43:38	Bagder	the gif uses only two colors
13:43:55	Bagder	so most tools make a 1-bit bmp
13:44:05	PsycoXul	heh
13:44:18	PsycoXul	lemme see such a gif
13:44:20	Bagder	... which is smarter I must agree ;-)
13:44:27	PsycoXul	is http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif one?
13:44:30	Bagder	yes
13:44:32	Zagor	we must fix the resume-in-shuffled dir bug.
13:44:41	Bagder	Zagor: you tried it now?
13:44:59	Bagder	I made a correction this morning that at least is in the neighbourhood
13:45:08	Zagor	tried it
13:45:23	Bagder	ok, then the index is probably wrong
13:45:52	Bagder	ah it is
13:46:00	Bagder	play_list() needs to return the new index
13:46:10	Bagder	after shuffle
13:46:23	Bagder	hm
13:46:34	Bagder	or...
13:46:43	Zagor	does that really help?
13:46:55	Bagder	no
13:47:06	Bagder	in one case it gets the index in the list before shuffle
13:47:16	Bagder	and in the other case it gets the index after shuffle
13:47:23	Bagder	that's the problemo
13:47:33	PsycoXul	huh
13:47:35	PsycoXul	gimp saves it as
13:47:36	PsycoXul	usb_tuned.bmp: PC bitmap data, Windows 3.x format, 100 x 32 x 1
13:47:43	PsycoXul	even when i tell it to make a 256 color palette...
13:49:13	PsycoXul	yeah... the only way i can get it to save it 8bit is by adding another color to the image
13:49:22	Bagder	Zagor: or you with me?
13:49:34	Bagder	PsycoXul: never mind, I'll improve our tool instead
13:49:39	Zagor	umm, no. looking at other stuff.
13:50:47	matsl	Zagor: Are the STATUS_FASTFORWARD et al states only applicable for the recorder?
13:50:54	Zagor	yes
13:50:58	matsl	aha
13:51:13	Zagor	but they're still used in player code, so just add a default: to the switch
13:51:35	matsl	just addedas we write!?
13:51:51	Zagor	?
13:52:05	matsl	\|addedas\|added as\|
13:52:26	Zagor	status.c:123
13:52:34	matsl	\|write\|talk\|
13:52:44	matsl	Its checked in!!!
13:52:49	Zagor	oh, ok
13:52:57	Zagor	goodie
14:00
14:03:43	*	matsl relaxes as the green lights are there again
14:04:16	Bagder	it "almost" works with 1bit bmp now ;-)
14:05:23	matsl	Bagder: Will it be backwards compatible with 256 color palettes as well?
14:05:28	Bagder	sure
14:05:56	matsl	thanks. I didn't look forward to reformatting them again.
14:06:02	Bagder	hehe
14:06:12	Bagder	it'll be useful to support both
14:06:50	matsl	Zagor: Do you know anything about the ICON_REPEAT and ICON_1. Such as how they look?
14:07:32	Zagor	no
14:08:33	Zagor	Bagder: why did you say it wasn't alright to simply return playlist.index?
14:08:34	matsl	I'm a bit feed up with the simulator icons at the moment. Are there any other interesting things around for 1.3?
14:09:02	Zagor	matsl: only bug fixes. I want to get it out asap
14:09:20	matsl	Something I can help you with?
14:10:06	Zagor	try to find bugs, mainly
14:10:30	matsl	You'r saying ..... testing?
14:10:45	Bagder	wooooorks
14:10:52	Zagor	matsl: hehe. yes
14:11:53	matsl	Zagor: ok. I'll see what i can do.
14:13:00	Zagor	found a playback bug
14:13:31	Zagor	when searching to the end of a song, so the next song is loaded, skipping to the next makes the first 3-4 seconds repeat once
14:14:11	Zagor	very repeatable
14:14:16	Zagor	where is linus?
14:14:34	*	Bagder searches for Linus in the channel.. HELLOOOOOO?
14:14:43	Zagor	logbot seen linus
14:14:52	Zagor	buh, i'm not trusted :-)
14:14:53	Bagder	linusn
14:15:01	Bagder	hehe
14:15:04	>>>	"seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented]
14:15:08	Zagor	logbot seen linusn
14:15:14	Zagor	no go :)
14:15:27	Zagor	-logbot- linusn (~linus@labb.contactor.se) left the channel 21 hours and 48 minutes ago
14:15:27	mbr	Question about fate of prop fonts. Will they disappear and be part of loadable fonts?
14:15:37	Zagor	mbr: yes
14:15:46	mbr	ok
14:16:21	Zagor	we'll only keep a small "emergency font" for error messages before the font is loaded
14:16:46	elinenbe	morning all... bug found on recorder 6k: when you fast forward let's say 30 seconds. The status bar moves ahead, and then jumps back to where you started the fast forward from, and then jumps to where you fastforwarded to.
14:16:51	Bagder	morning elinenbe
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14:17:09	Zagor	elinenbe: I just saw that too. fixing...
14:18:02	elinenbe	Badger:
14:18:05	elinenbe	Badger: "store the correct index in the resume info when we fire up a single song in a
14:18:05	elinenbe	directory
14:18:13	elinenbe	great fix!!! I love it!
14:18:14	Bagder	I know it doesn't work
14:18:23	Bagder	it worked?
14:18:32	Zagor	doesn't work for me...
14:18:38	elinenbe	oh... I have yet to try it. I am just reading the CVS.
14:18:44	Bagder	aah
14:18:50	Zagor	hehe
14:18:53	elinenbe	but it is a feature I was hoping would be implemented.
14:18:56	Bagder	I have a hard time deciding on how to make the fix the best way
14:19:21	Zagor	Bagder: why did you say it wasn't alright to simply return playlist.index?
14:20:01	Bagder	Zagor: I was wrong, the problem is that play_list() is sometimes called with a start index that is before the shuffle and sometimes with an index for after the shuffle
14:20:45	Bagder	in resume, it is after-shuffle index but when playing a dir it is before-shuffle
14:21:41	Zagor	right
14:22:34	Bagder	so, shall I splap on yet another parameter to the function? or do you have a better suggestion?
14:22:52	Zagor	hmm, the resume works fine in the simulator but not in target...
14:23:09	Zagor	wait a bit so I can sort this out in my head...
14:23:14	Bagder	sure
14:25:47	elinenbe	a most excellent site: http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM
14:27:07	Bagder	now it's very simple to convert that usb image into C code
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14:36:20	matsl	Zagor: You wanted bugs?
14:36:33	Bagder	no he wanted them fixed ;-)
14:37:03	matsl	We must find them before we can fix them or?
14:37:13	Bagder	if you want ;-)
14:37:17	matsl	I've got two bugs in wps player.
14:37:46	Bagder	hey, someone could try edx's test mp3s too
14:37:55	Bagder	rockbox.haxx.se/mp3/edx/
14:38:05	Bagder	they're HUGE
14:38:23	matsl	Current play time can at times be garbage.
14:39:02	matsl	Volume change display in wps gets a short blink of the second line before it displays steady.
14:39:07	Hes	I'll add the imaging-resource link to the battery FAQ
14:39:29	Hes	been reading that site before when shopping for digital cameras (ended up with Canon S30), it rocks
14:39:43	Bagder	Hes: you did notice that it changed place, the faq, right?
14:40:01	*	Bagder has the older S20
14:41:18	Hes	Yes
14:41:45	Hes	already added Q13 in the new location
14:41:55	Bagder	oh
14:41:56	Bagder	;-)
14:42:04	*	Bagder is a bit behind
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14:43:53	*	nsauzede greets everybody
14:44:06	*	Bagder bows for nsauzede
14:44:36	nsauzede	bagder: hi; I wonder if m3u support is not broken in recent cvs..
14:44:51	Bagder	it is?
14:44:59	Bagder	like how?
14:45:05	nsauzede	well, can you try now on a player ?
14:45:13	Bagder	no I can't
14:45:16	Bagder	that's why I ask
14:45:19	nsauzede	ok,
14:45:25	nsauzede	I just tried now :
14:45:34	nsauzede	have a directory of mp3,
14:45:39	matsl	nsauzede: I'm listening to it now.
14:46:12	nsauzede	bagder : I made : "find The\ Cure/ -name *.mp3 > cure.m3u"
14:46:48	nsauzede	bagder: then, I simply press play on the m3u, and it displays some strange things
14:47:13	Bagder	and that same playlist worked before?
14:48:08	nsauzede	well, I rolo the 1.2 release,
14:48:20	nsauzede	try the same m3u, and it works !
14:48:40	Bagder	ok
14:49:15	Zagor	Bagder: will you look at it?
14:49:26	nsauzede	well, ok..
14:49:42	nsauzede	else, I found the following behaviour :
14:50:17	nsauzede	when listening to music, either play or pause,
14:50:51	nsauzede	if you plug USB, then playing is stopped, but icons (play\|pause,audio) remain displayed..
14:50:53	Bagder	Zagor: I'm not very into how all that playlist stuff has been made so I think you're better fitted for this
14:51:03	Zagor	ok
14:51:34	nsauzede	problem is that some icons are refreshed directly in tree.c, other are in status.c
14:51:36	Bagder	btw, was there never any 1.2 cvs tag?
14:51:50	Zagor	there was
14:52:21	Zagor	v1_2
14:52:32	Bagder	thanks
14:52:38	nsauzede	icons : but is it possible to modify icons in the USB thread ??
14:53:19	Zagor	nsauzede: player icons yes, recorder no
14:53:40	Zagor	why?
14:55:11	nsauzede	zagor : humm, do you think it's appropriate to sweep mpeg icons in USB thread, when USB_CONNECTED sig is received ?
14:55:23	Zagor	mpeg icons?
14:55:39	nsauzede	well, mpeg.c related (play/pause, audio
14:55:58	Zagor	no I don't
14:56:09	nsauzede	there will be multiple locations taking care of icons
14:56:26	Zagor	yes
14:56:46	Zagor	that is not a problem
14:57:28	nsauzede	ok..
14:58:17	nsauzede	zagor : one suggestion about resume delayed-write..
14:58:26	Zagor	ok?
14:58:48	nsauzede	zagor : you told us to press pause before power of right ?
14:58:53	Zagor	yes
14:59:34	nsauzede	but what about catching the stop press before it effectively powers off, then, write the cache ?
14:59:50	nsauzede	too fast ?
14:59:54	Zagor	we can't. the shutoff is done in hardware, not software
15:00
15:00:06	nsauzede	yes, but it takes about a second ?
15:00:19	nsauzede	so we could flush the sector 61 in the meanwhile ?
15:00:32	Zagor	no. spinning up the disk takes several seconds.
15:00:37	nsauzede	oops
15:00:59	nsauzede	and no way to cancel the stop press right..
15:01:06	Zagor	right
15:01:36	Zagor	on recorder, I catch the OFF press and save to RTC. but on player we don't have time to spin up the disk
15:02:05	nsauzede	zagor: ok; is the current cvs playlist-WPS really different from the 1.2 one ?
15:02:23	Zagor	yes
15:02:53	Zagor	1.2 had wps.c version 1.51. we are now at version 1.85...
15:03:07	nsauzede	because as I told before, playing M3U with current cvs is broken, and displays numbers instead of ID3 tags...
15:03:17	nsauzede	(for me at least :)
15:03:36	Bagder	have you updated recently?
15:03:39	Zagor	m3u is not broken, it works for many people. maybe some special aspect of it bugs.
15:03:58	nsauzede	bagder: I update more than once a day this time :)
15:04:11	nsauzede	zagor : that's what I meant :)
15:04:12	Bagder	the wps got new settings the other day so if you've lived on the edge, you may want to check the wps config
15:04:46	Bagder	the player wps config that is
15:04:51	Zagor	Bagder: does resume work for you?
15:05:00	Bagder	I can test
15:05:02	Bagder	can't
15:05:14	Zagor	don't have it there?
15:05:31	Bagder	well, I didn't update today so my version is like ~36 hours old
15:05:35	Zagor	oh
15:05:38	Bagder	waaaay old
15:05:41	Bagder	;-)
15:06:03	Bagder	and it works on this version
15:06:04	*	Zagor squints at Bagder. Old timer...
15:07:11	nsauzede	off-topic: zagor&bagder, are you from the same family ? ;)
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15:07:22	Zagor	yes. we are brothers.
15:07:28	edx	hi
15:07:28	nsauzede	ook.
15:07:35	Zagor	hi edx!
15:07:41	Hes	FAQ - Frequently Asked Battery Questions ... should that be FABQ then? 8-)
15:07:48	edx	:)
15:09:16	nsauzede	zagor : if I d/l the last daily build, should M3u working for me ?
15:09:39	Bagder	they "should" always work
15:09:40	Zagor	i don't know. I haven't found your problem yet.
15:09:42	edx	help my English: is it "stay as you were" or rather "stay like you were" or even "stay like you have been" - I have no idea here
15:10:35	Zagor	all three sound strange :-)
15:10:45	edx	really
15:10:49	edx	how would you say?
15:11:20	Zagor	what are you trying to say?
15:11:51	mbr	Hes: Question about charger_inserted(). It reports inserted even when I plug the charger to archos and NOT to power line.
15:12:06	edx	thats just for some crappy English homework translation... like a person is supposed to stay like she has been before..
15:12:35	Bagder	well you can't stay like you were before
15:12:41	Bagder	you stay as you are
15:12:42	Hes	mbr: is that on the player?
15:12:46	Bagder	or become what you were before
15:12:49	mbr	No, recorder
15:12:50	edx	Bagder: true...
15:13:09	Hes	Interesting.
15:13:12	mbr	Hes: it also reports External 0 in debug menu
15:13:17	matsl	Zagor: did you notice the two bugs I reported? (There was a lot of noice at the moment.)
15:13:20	Hes	bool charger_inserted(void)
15:13:20	Hes	{
15:13:20	Hes	#ifdef ARCHOS_RECORDER
15:13:20	Hes	return adc_read(ADC_EXT_POWER) > 0x100;
15:13:20	Hes	#else
15:13:22	Hes	return (PADR & 1) == 0;
15:13:24	Hes	#endif
15:13:27	Hes	}
15:13:44	Hes	It should be measuring the EXT_POWER there.
15:14:17	Hes	And if it reports external 0 in the debug menu, charger_inserted should definetely return 0.
15:14:30	Zagor	matsl: I think I missed them
15:14:52	mbr	Hes: When no power line i get 0.00-0.02V for external power, when plugged to powerline it is at 5.37-5.38V
15:15:21	nsauzede	zagor : m3u broken : was my fault, it works with daily build
15:15:34	Zagor	nsauzede: oh good. thanks.
15:15:36	matsl	Zagor: When changeing volume in wps one line id3 the second line blinks once before the volume display is stable.
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15:15:47	matsl	Zagor: Minor thing maybe.
15:15:48	Hes	Maybe 0x100 is too low. It used to be 0x200 but that sometimes returned false just after charging was enabled on empty batteries and the ext voltage went down.
15:16:04	Hes	I'll try to adjust that a little.
15:16:18	mbr	Hes: no wait. my fault!
15:16:24	matsl	Zagor: The time-played can contain garbage.
15:16:43	mbr	Had some electrons left in the charger, sorry
15:16:52	Zagor	matsl: when does that happen?
15:17:02	Hes	mbr: Heheh.
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15:17:41	Hes	Just had rockbox charge the stock 1500 mAh batteries to 5.8v.
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15:17:49	matsl	Zagor: I'll come back soon with way to get the later problem.
15:17:59	Zagor	ok
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15:18:41	nsauzede	bagder: I've seen a bug in the menu scroll display (player) I'll take a look at it
15:19:13	elinenbe	Hes: what does the Archos firmware charge them to?
15:20:22	matsl	Zagor: pause, next song, play -> garbage
15:21:52	nsauzede	anybody tried to set volume on a player, while playing a song ?
15:22:02	Hes	elinenbe: I haven't measured the voltages on them during the charging
15:22:12	Hes	that 5.8v is with charger connected
15:22:25	Hes	and they trickle charge so it's not comparable anyway,
15:23:05	Hes	I'm working on tuning the parameters of the charger so that it'd stop charging later but not too late 8-)
15:23:08	matsl	nsauzede: yes
15:23:31	nsauzede	matsl: for me, it clears 2nd line and disp vol on 1st,
15:23:55	matsl	nsauzede: same for me, second line blinks shortly. Not nice.
15:24:07	nsauzede	matsl: but then, 1st line fights between volume and ID3 tag :(
15:24:35	nsauzede	matsl: maybe it would be good to disp vol on 2nd..
15:25:12	matsl	nsauzede: scroll on first is stopped before so there shouldn't be any problem.
15:26:00	matsl	nsauzede: If first line is used for volume second line could continue to display the play time?
15:26:42	nsauzede	matsl: well, for me, vol on 1st is a problem,
15:27:17	nsauzede	matsl: even if scroll is stopped, I can see clearly the voliume level, but for on microsecond only :/
15:27:54	matsl	nsauzede: Hold down the key you'll see it longer. Try it.
15:28:15	nsauzede	matsl: I just tried :
15:28:31	nsauzede	matsl: It blinks ! really...
15:28:41	matsl	Zagor: I'm getting a lot of distortion that I haven't heard before. Known problem?
15:29:11	Zagor	matsl: we've had it before, but nobody has reported it since linus' last fix.
15:29:33	nsauzede	matsl: if you hold down the key, isn't the vol blinking nastily ?
15:30:07	Snorlax	matsl, u got a player/recorder?
15:30:08	Zagor	Bagder: txt2plain suggestion: All lines starting with whitespace gets enclosed in <pre>. The rest go as normal <p>.
15:30:25	matsl	Snorlax: a player
15:30:40	Bagder	Zagor: execpt the A-line then I guess
15:30:46	Zagor	right
15:31:02	Zagor	uh, no the A-line too. why shouldn't it?
15:31:13	matsl	nsauzede: no
15:31:24	Bagder	Zagor: it doesn't start with space, should that be <p> then?
15:31:27	Zagor	yes
15:31:35	matsl	nsauzede: not that nastily ;-)
15:31:49	Bagder	it'll look very odd to have the first line of the answer as <p> and the rest as <pre>
15:31:56	Hes	That'd look very odd.
15:32:06	Zagor	Bagder: ok, I explained it poorly
15:32:34	Zagor	I meant all lines that are indented more than the normal indent gets <pre> and the rest go as <p>
15:33:00	Zagor	that way lists and tables are <pre> and all body text are <p>
15:33:01	Bagder	Zagor: and what would the main difference be compared to now?
15:33:10	Bagder	aha
15:33:14	Bagder	now I get you
15:33:19	Bagder	good idea
15:33:32	nsauzede	anyone : would that make sense to be able to set volume with combo, when not playing ?? (in browse mode)
15:33:56	nsauzede	I was disapointed not being able to do it, but maybe I'm a fool..
15:33:57	Bagder	Zagor: so "normal" indent is 4 or 5 initial spaces, right?
15:34:11	Zagor	nsauzede: why would you? we'll want those keys for other things then, I think
15:34:30	nsauzede	you mean, MENU+plus, for instance ?
15:34:39	Zagor	Bagder: yes. optimally, it's "the same indent as the Q text starts at"
15:34:44	nsauzede	(as while playing)
15:34:50	Zagor	nsauzede: yes
15:34:52	Bagder	right, I'll have a go and see what I can do
15:35:23	nsauzede	zagor: you're probably right ;)
15:35:25	Zagor	Bagder: a new <p> for each paragraph would be nice too, if you can fix that
15:35:33	Zagor	battery A10 for example
15:35:36	Bagder	Zagor: sure
15:36:37	nsauzede	bye, all
15:36:40	Zagor	bye
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15:36:49	matsl	cu
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15:48:44	bobTHC	it's perhaps good to make a link to this thread for rockbox install pbhttp://www.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=5380&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Fix+Your+Firmware+Installation+Troubles&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=False&S=True
15:50:03	bobTHC	because some people are scared to swap for rockbox..they 'll don't!
15:52:49	Snorlax	anybody here done the sound mod on their player?
15:53:06	Snorlax	I'm gonna do it in tha weekend
15:57:02	matsl	no more time for play today ;-( cu
15:57:23	Bagder	bye matsl
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15:59:07	Zagor	"Yea-I know they want no compensation, but if a Paypal beertab account were set up for'em, I'd happily chip in. :)"
15:59:32	Zagor	some happy voices from the FunMP3Players forum
15:59:45	Bagder	:-)
15:59:52	Bagder	paypal sucks in Sweden though
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16:00:00	Zagor	yeah
16:03:12	Bagder	http://storebror.haxx.se/rockbox/docs/faq.html
16:03:22	Bagder	it actually gets a bit more messy
16:03:56	Zagor	yes. we should group it better. just put a <br> before the A line
16:04:34	Zagor	or blockquote the answers, or something
16:05:57	Bagder	well, if we cut the A(num) off it could work
16:06:03	Bagder	look now
16:06:53	Zagor	looks good, I think. can you make just the "Q31:" bold?
16:07:16	Zagor	seems it's mixed : and .
16:07:30	Bagder	yes, that made my script fail at first ;-)
16:08:00	Bagder	A10 is badly formatted too
16:08:03	Bagder	which shows
16:08:28	Zagor	A17 too
16:08:36	Bagder	the note, yes
16:12:04	Bagder	hm, shall I cut off the letter Q as well?
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16:12:55	Zagor	try it
16:14:07	Bagder	reload
16:14:39	Zagor	looks good
16:14:58	Bagder	I think so too
16:15:05	Bagder	I commit
16:15:33	Bagder	we could play a bit with the css classes too
16:16:00	Zagor	ah. right
16:16:04	Zagor	forgot those
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16:20:19	Zagor	maybe we should even strip the blockquote and handle that in css
16:20:35	Bagder	oh of course
16:21:06	Bagder	I cut them off
16:21:49	Bagder	done
16:22:35	Hes	Are there links to the battery faq from anywhere else than the end of the FAQ?
16:22:43	Bagder	nope
16:23:42	Hes	Maybe could add one if it's actually been proof-read already
16:24:12	Zagor	"Here's why the ROCKbox firmware is so much better, I almost want to cry..."
16:24:24	Zagor	:)
16:24:37	Bagder	hehe
16:26:11	Bagder	"7) Did I mention the resume? "
16:26:18	Bagder	that is a killer feature
16:28:35	Zagor	it sure is
16:35:11	Zagor	ok, css updated
16:38:38	Bagder	nice
16:38:49	Zagor	what happened to the index?
16:39:09	Bagder	it looked too crappy ;-)
16:39:20	Zagor	hehe
16:39:51	Bagder	you think we should have it?
16:40:13	Zagor	I don't know. some questions are very long. let's keep it like this for a while and see how it works out
16:40:55	Bagder	yeah
16:41:07	Bagder	I fix the resume stuff now
16:41:16	Zagor	how?
16:41:18	Bagder	I add another parameter to play_list()
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16:49:47	Bagder	so, the resume_index must always be the index in a shuffled list, when shuffle is enabled
16:53:15	Zagor	ok. i'll see when you check in :)
16:53:26	Bagder	yes
16:53:38	Bagder	it really isn't complicated
16:53:53	Bagder	it was just a little bit of mixups
16:54:03	Zagor	ok, good
16:54:07	elinenbe	hello. I am going to interrupt this family talk...
16:54:14	*	Bagder jumps
16:54:18	elinenbe	what do you guys think about this idea!
16:54:23	elinenbe	http://www.mambox.com/P350.htm
16:54:27	elinenbe	check out that page.
16:54:51	elinenbe	see how the folders show their indentation like a tree?
16:55:15	elinenbe	I figure that would not take up too much room on the screen of the recorder or player (I think it could work on both)
16:55:43	Zagor	we'd have to remember all dirs "up" in the tree
16:56:09	Zagor	I really hope their font isn't that ugly in the real product :-)
16:56:12	elinenbe	not really... just each dir you came from.
16:56:27	Zagor	right
16:56:30	elinenbe	those pictures make the device look awful.
16:56:32	Bagder	"Playlist:
16:56:32	Bagder	Up to 999 User Programmable Playlists"
16:56:40	Zagor	haha
16:56:41	Bagder	odd limit
16:57:05	elinenbe	so if you are 4 directories down, then you see 4 direcotries at the top of the list.
16:57:26	elinenbe	that is a common limit on cell phones and such. like my cell allows 999 entries in the phone book
16:57:46	Zagor	elinenbe: not a bad idea. we'll need some kind of "header" system for the dir browser but that shouldn't be too hard
16:58:00	elinenbe	I think it would make browsing more "intuitive"
16:58:04	Zagor	I don't really see how it would be useful on player though
16:58:47	Bagder	Zagor: does resume work for you in the sim?
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17:00:03	Zagor	yes, oddly enough
17:00:36	Bagder	hm, which is the play button?
17:00:44	Zagor	5
17:01:13	Bagder	ah, I didn't have numlock on and then 5 didn't work ;-)
17:01:28	Zagor	:)
17:01:35	Bagder	6 did however give something that wasn't play
17:01:56	Bagder	ok, so random play-dir resume works in my sim
17:02:11	Bagder	commit coming
17:02:38	Bagder	I need to go home and test this out in target as well
17:03:40	Zagor	i'll test right away
17:06:06	Bagder	did the cvs just die?
17:06:20	Bagder	no
17:06:24	Bagder	just got very slow
17:08:04	Bagder	committed
17:08:13	Zagor	updating
17:09:24	Zagor	2000 mAh battery: http://www.budgetbatteries.co.uk/cgi-bin/store/welcome.pl?productid=20334;c=44;l=23
17:10:14	Zagor	ice cream time
17:11:27	Zagor	Bagder: resume seems to work fine. good job.
17:11:33	Bagder	neato
17:17:16	elinenbe	when one resumes, does the tree cursor point to the correct file?
17:17:43	edx	Zagor: do they ship those batteries to other countries?
17:17:57	Bagder	elinenbe: good q
17:17:57	Zagor	i don't know
17:18:09	Bagder	I guess it doesn't
17:18:20	Zagor	elinenbe: no, tree still goes to root always. 1.4 issue
17:18:29	edx	and btw.. what is a normal price for 1800mAh accus?
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17:19:14	Bagder	Zagor: it'll be a chase-the-actual index to get it right, as the resume only knows the shuffled one :-)
17:20:52	aakil	Hmmm... is anonymous cvs down? I'm getting a connection refused error
17:21:58	Bagder	it looks like the cvs has problems atm, yes
17:22:30	Bagder	I'm going home, see ya in a while
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17:26:03	mbr	Have to leave. cu
17:26:13	bobTHC	bye
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17:48:00	bobTHC	bye all !
17:48:04	Zagor	bye
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17:54:58	Bagder	the faq url is wrong in the #rockbox info
17:55:00	Bagder	:-)
17:55:43	Zagor	slacker adi :)
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18:21:09	elinenbe	hi there. I am back.
18:21:16	elinenbe	:-) I know I was missed
18:21:21	Zagor	hehe
18:26:12	Bagder	it feels a bit awkward to add an icon to the firmware
18:26:23	Bagder	should we make it a parameter to the usb stuff?
18:26:37	Bagder	the usb icon
18:27:57	Zagor	i'm not sure. after all, we have fonts. so an usb icon isn't very far fetched.
18:28:06	Bagder	true
18:28:10	Zagor	i mean, it's part of the hardcoded device
18:28:13	Zagor	usb, that is
18:28:17	Bagder	yes
18:29:27	Bagder	I'll have a go at it right now
18:29:30	elinenbe	Do you think more icons could be added... like for settings, etc.
18:29:39	elinenbe	so it is like the wonderful nokia phones
18:30:33	elinenbe	it would be nice to have a settings menu icon, a sound menu icon, etc...
18:30:37	elinenbe	Where was Linus today?
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18:30:44	Zagor	i don't know
18:30:49	zaknafein	hi
18:30:51	Zagor	hi
18:31:46	elinenbe	want to read an intense scientific study? http://www.msnbc.com/news/796225.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1
18:31:52	elinenbe	who would have ever thought that?!?!
18:32:11	Zagor	hah
18:32:40	Zagor	"what is known in the trade as the 'beer-goggle effect' "
18:33:34	elinenbe	I liked that line too.
18:35:36	*	Bagder fixed bmp2rb again
18:41:57	zaknafein	umm... I was wandering if it would be interesting to enable multiple lenguages in rockbox menu... but i don't know if it's better to wait until the menu structure is more or less stable or to upgrade it when any change in the menu is made...
18:42:11	zaknafein	what do you think about it?
18:42:54	Zagor	it's definitely interesting. I've been thinking about simply defining string macros in header files, one per language
18:43:01	zaknafein	i know a lot of spanish people that would like to have rockbox translated in spanish... we are to lazy to translate from spanish
18:44:38	Zagor	then again, a simpler way would be to use a spreadsheet (openoffice) for all the languages and then create header files from that
18:45:00	Bagder	I'd prefer a system without a spreadsheet
18:45:33	Bagder	like perhaps one master "textfile" for english texts that generates templates for other languages
18:45:43	Zagor	with a good (text) file format, a spreadsheet has very few drawbacks
18:45:45	Bagder	and of course deals with updates
18:46:28	zaknafein	ummm
18:46:45	Bagder	why not just a file that is [text] [id] for all english phrases
18:47:06	Bagder	then for each language that is used as input and generate a similar for the other languages with the english phrases as comments
18:47:13	Zagor	because it's very nice seeing all the languages when you translate
18:47:31	Bagder	very few people know more than one or max two other languages
18:48:02	Bagder	it's just that a text-format generated from a spread sheet is not very comfortable
18:48:08	Bagder	unless you have the spread sheet
18:48:13	Zagor	because?
18:48:40	Bagder	because it makes pain when we have 16 languages and we get 5 patches for them
18:48:46	Bagder	each will ruin the others
18:49:06	Bagder	since they'll be changes on the same lines
18:49:11	Zagor	only with binary formats
18:49:20	Bagder	no, with text too since they change the same lines
18:49:46	Zagor	do you know openoffice's spreadsheet format?
18:50:10	zaknafein	i'm with badger, but i'm not an expert in spreadsheets
18:50:14	Bagder	but I don't want to install open office to be able to translate
18:50:31	Zagor	well, you're not the target audience :-)
18:50:35	elinenbe	I think all the languages should be in the firmware.
18:50:47	elinenbe	The target audience will probably use excel :)
18:50:56	Bagder	Zagor: well I doubt anyone will want to install 100MB just to translate rockbox ;-)
18:51:19	Bagder	so for a spread sheet format to work, it would need to work with excel too yes
18:51:27	elinenbe	you should not choose the lanuguage at compiletime −− it should be an option. The ipod has about 30 languages built right in.
18:51:29	Bagder	so then it would need a comma or semicolon separated text
18:51:48	Bagder	... which I dislike...
18:51:55	Zagor	runtime languages use a lot of space, for no reason
18:52:06	Zagor	well, maybe not that much :-)
18:52:13	Bagder	very few people change language in runtime
18:52:49	Zagor	I say we start with compile-time language and maybe if people yap about it we'll see about runtime switching
18:52:58	Bagder	I agree
18:54:07	zaknafein	ummm
18:55:06	zaknafein	the problem is that the target audience will not compile it, it's more problable that they download it from rockbox website
18:55:13	Bagder	yes
18:55:17	Bagder	and we'll provide all languages
18:55:21	zaknafein	ok
18:55:34	Bagder	it'll be easy
18:55:52	Zagor	automated builds rock :-)
18:55:58	zaknafein	yes..
18:56:54	zaknafein	anyway.. who is going to start doing this?
18:57:00	zaknafein	because i could help
18:57:12	zaknafein	but i have a lot to do unitl october..
18:57:16	zaknafein	until
18:57:29	Bagder	well, we won't do it for 1.3 ;-)
18:57:37	zaknafein	:)
18:57:44	zaknafein	ok...
18:58:52	elinenbe	what about a language.txt on the drive, that has all the languages on it? Then if you go to the language option in the menu, it will parse that file?
18:59:15	Bagder	it doesn't change anything
18:59:24	Bagder	we still need a language system to generate output from
18:59:43	Bagder	then we can decide later if we want runtime or buildtime or whatever
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19:00:03	Bagder	I could imagine a system where we at build-time enabled a few languages out of the available ones
19:01:53	Bagder	now, should the USB logo be centered both ways?
19:02:49	elinenbe	yes.
19:03:18	zaknafein	why not?
19:03:36	Bagder	well, I was thinking if perhaps the status bar would be there too or something
19:03:45	elinenbe	someone commit the newest patch to the CVS. That is a great patch, but it should be within 4 seconds I think.
19:03:57	elinenbe	there is a nice patch on the mailing list.
19:04:59	zaknafein	badger: the status bar? i think i've lost something
19:05:17	Bagder	have you seen the status bar?
19:05:53	zaknafein	no
19:06:46	zaknafein	when did you put it on the firmware?
19:07:54	zaknafein	�??
19:07:56	Bagder	do you have a recorder?
19:07:59	zaknafein	yes
19:08:11	Bagder	well, its been around for quite a while, press f3
19:08:27	zaknafein	ahhh
19:08:39	zaknafein	sorry
19:08:47	zaknafein	i'm tired
19:08:51	zaknafein	that status bar
19:08:57	zaknafein	sorry
19:09:06	zaknafein	you say the top one no?
19:09:42	zaknafein	ok
19:10:18	zaknafein	i was thinking about another thing
19:12:22	dwihno\|gone	HELLO HELLO! :D
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19:12:25	DBUG	Enqueued KICK dwihno
19:12:31	dwihno	Guess what, I'm not gone anymore ;)
19:12:35	Bagder	dwihno: usb logo coming in veeery soon
19:13:00	dwihno	Bagder: YAY! :D
19:13:03	dwihno	burp
19:13:20	dwihno	When I got home, I was met by two of my best friends :)
19:13:41	dwihno	Surprises are best served with a chilled coke
19:13:49	elinenbe	or a chilled beer :)
19:13:59	dwihno	If it's a Heineken, or �bro :)
19:14:03	dwihno	Or Steinlager
19:14:08	dwihno	or Norrlands guld
19:14:27	dwihno	Misa like bear
19:14:42	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:14:42	*	Bagder prefers his beers very dark
19:14:48	*	Zagor hates HTML-only mail
19:14:48	dwihno	Bagder: irish beer?
19:14:58	Bagder	mmmm irish
19:15:17	dwihno	Zagor: me hates html-mails too
19:15:32	dwihno	Bagder: Guinness?
19:15:45	Bagder	guinness is good for you ;-)
19:15:58	dwihno	Guinness is for the brain, what rockbox is for the archos :)
19:16:27	zaknafein	i suppose none of you have ever tasted Alhambra especial Beer....
19:16:37	zaknafein	that spanish beer is the best one
19:16:40	zaknafein	:)
19:17:12	elinenbe	not that Guiness in bottles... what is that crap? −− only cans for Guiness
19:17:33	Bagder	taps
19:19:37	dwihno	wiretap? :)
19:20:04	Zagor	Bagder: you should try Nils Oscar Imperial Stout. Makes Guinness look like Budweiser :)
19:20:07	Bagder	nice-looking usb stuff
19:20:47	Zagor	pause is a bitch
19:22:06	dwihno	Zagor + Bagder = the dynamic recompiling beer duo! :D
19:22:21	Bagder	now read the commit mails ;-)
19:22:32	dwihno	Misa not get commit mails
19:22:45	Bagder	cave man ;-)
19:22:58	dwihno	Please Bagder! Please read out loud, just like when we were kids and listened to the old lady telling stories from the old ages :)
19:24:55	dwihno	no aloud reading :��( sobs
19:25:04	Bagder	Modified Files:
19:25:04	Bagder	usb.c
19:25:04	Bagder	Log Message:
19:25:04	DBUG	Enqueued KICK Bagder
19:25:04	Bagder	Magnus �man's rocking USB logo is now being put to use.
19:25:11	dwihno	Yay ;D
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19:25:16	dwihno	ROCK!
19:25:18	dwihno	ROCK ROCK ROCK!
19:25:36	dwihno	Bagder: tell me some cool story
19:25:55	adi\|dads	any chance someone could give me a screen shot of the usb logo just posted about?
19:26:23	elinenbe	rock and roll with the logo!
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19:28:06	Bagder	dwihno: I can offer you a binary
19:28:13	dwihno	Bagder: ah, surething
19:28:24	Bagder	http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/
19:28:45	adi\|dads	Bagder i like how you updated the FAQ parsing script :)
19:28:47	adi\|dads	much nicer :)
19:29:07	Bagder	you'll notice some editing quirks for you to fix ;-)
19:29:23	adi\|dads	heheh yeah ;)
19:29:37	Bagder	A10 and A17
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19:31:40	adi\|dads	a10 i think i fixed.. not sure
19:32:07	dwihno	Bagder: hey, it looks rather cute :)
19:32:10	Bagder	adi\|dads: everything that isn't indented at the same with as the Q-line will be put within <pre>
19:32:49	Bagder	well, Zagor edited the CSS too which made it much nicer
19:33:03	Bagder	ah, you meant the USB logo
19:33:07	Bagder	right, it looks neat
19:33:09	dwihno	haha
19:33:10	dwihno	:)
19:33:19	dwihno	css is better too
19:33:26	dwihno	css is your friend
19:33:32	adi\|dads	can i get a screen shot of the usb logo by anychance lads?
19:33:34	Zagor	we should probably still write "USB Mode" at the bottom of the screen or something
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19:33:46	Zagor	dwihno: didn't you have an url with a gif of it?
19:33:49	dwihno	Zagor: agreed
19:33:53	dwihno	Zagor: ya, w8 a sec
19:33:55	nsauzede	zagor/bagder: Hi! I have a Q about cursor in menu..
19:33:58	dwihno	http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/
19:33:58	dwihno	there
19:34:04	dwihno	it's the tuned gif
19:34:06	adi\|dads	FAQ updated :)
19:37:32	nsauzede	zagor/bagder: I can't put cursor to the top..
19:39:53	Zagor	nsauzede: how do you mean?
19:41:30	nsauzede	zagor: I'm doing a patch,
19:41:44	nsauzede	zagor: to wrap settintgs menu,
19:41:50	Zagor	ah
19:42:15	nsauzede	zagor: it works with prev, but fails with next (can't put cursor to top)
19:42:21	nsauzede	??
19:43:03	Zagor	../../firmware/usb.h:25: warning: `struct event_queue' declared inside parameter list
19:43:23	Bagder	yuck
19:43:40	dwihno	error error
19:43:47	Bagder	where's that defined?
19:44:05	Bagder	kernel.h
19:44:08	Zagor	yaeh
19:44:10	Zagor	yeah
19:44:14	Zagor	yuoah
19:44:18	Zagor	yizh
19:45:36	nsauzede	zagor: I tried :
19:45:38	nsauzede	/* move to top */
19:45:39	nsauzede	put_cursor(m, 0);
19:45:44	dwihno	So when's the DevCon? :)
19:45:47	dwihno	and where?
19:45:52	dwihno	Misa want DevCon! :D
19:45:55	nsauzede	and it crashes the rockbox
19:46:20	elinenbe	I have an idea. If you are playing a song, and then go into USB mode, when you return everything has stopped. The music should resume :)
19:46:41	Bagder	well, the song might've been removed
19:46:57	dwihno	how about some freaky scratch noise? :)
19:47:11	elinenbe	that is true. It should check to make sure the song is there first :-)
19:47:26	Bagder	Zagor: uh, another little resume note btw, if someone adds a song to a playlist and then resumes... it plays a different song...
19:47:56	elinenbe	does that latest patch put it in paus mode after a seek?
19:48:19	Zagor	Bagder: yes. I don't think there's much we should do about that
19:48:27	elinenbe	thes little bugs should be documented.
19:48:34	Zagor	yes
19:48:43	Bagder	no, we could check the playlist for modification or something...
19:48:58	elinenbe	the checksum of the dir/playlist playing should be saved and then checked before loaded.
19:49:02	Bagder	but I think I rather leave it as a "feature"
19:49:20	Zagor	Bagder: yeah, but the only thing we can do is say "playlist modified, abort?"
19:49:30	Bagder	right
19:49:34	nsauzede	zagor: well, I'm gonna have a look at my problem; bye! :)
19:49:41	elinenbe	what about if files are added ot the directory?
19:49:53	Bagder	right, it'll be the same problem
19:50:20	dwihno	spaghetti and meatballs - yay!
19:52:12	adi\|dads	any chance someone could give me a screen shot of the usb logo just posted about?
19:52:19	Zagor	Bagder: the usb screen exits on BUTTON_REL :-)
19:52:38	Bagder	you mean the sim one?
19:52:59	adi\|dads	i guess.. which ever was the one just stated as being 'used now' in cvs :)
19:52:59	Zagor	yes
19:53:15	Bagder	Zagor: sure, it exists on anything the button_get() returns on
19:53:16	elinenbe	bug found on recorder 6k: when you fast forward let's say 30 seconds. The status bar moves ahead, and then jumps back to where you started the fast forward from, and then jumps to where you fastforwarded to. (happens on rewind too)
19:53:19	Bagder	exits
19:53:36	Zagor	Bagder: yes, but that means you never see it because it exits immediately
19:53:43	Bagder	adi\|dads: right, cvs update and check it out on your box :=
19:53:50	adi\|dads	i can't...
19:53:52	Bagder	Zagor: I saw it perfectly well
19:53:57	adi\|dads	im hitting my box remotely...
19:54:00	adi\|dads	no gui :(
19:54:23	Bagder	http://dw.lahma.net/rockbox/usb_tuned.gif
19:54:33	adi\|dads	ty :)
19:54:36	adi\|dads	sweet :)
19:54:57	Bagder	Zagor: so fix and be quiet ;-)
19:56:36	Zagor	Bagder: have you updated uisimulator/x11/button-x11.c lately? :-)
19:57:05	Bagder	Zagor: so fix and be quiet ;-)
19:57:10	Bagder	:-)
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19:58:30	adi\|dads	Zagor.. and reason that manual-1.2 is not in the cvs?
19:58:36	adi\|dads	cause we have files w/o foot.t again.
19:58:55	adi\|dads	s/and/any/
19:59:02	Zagor	no reason, just laziness
19:59:06	Bagder	adi\|dads: that's because manual is, and we wanted the 1.2 manual to remain at 1.2 state
19:59:23	Zagor	ah, right. we actually had a reason :-)
19:59:30	Bagder	not that anyone modifies the manual anyway
19:59:53	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
19:59:53	*	adi\|dads does
19:59:54	adi\|dads	damnit
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20:00:14	adi\|dads	im _constantly_ correcting this foot.t include issue :)
20:00:27	adi\|dads	my netscape don't display properly w/o it :)
20:00:49	*	adi\|dads continues poking the bear with a stick
20:04:59	adi\|dads	be back in a bit...
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20:08:24	zaknafein	Zagor: i've been thinking about spreadsheets for lenguages, and, it's not easiest to make a txt file?
20:10:06	Zagor	zaknafein: yes, let's start with that anyway
20:11:00	zaknafein	i'll start with it this night if you want
20:11:14	Zagor	sure
20:11:17	zaknafein	ummm
20:11:38	Bagder	I'll post my suggestion
20:12:05	zaknafein	changing lenguage at compile-time or having the final user the option to change lenguage mode?
20:12:16	Bagder	yes
20:12:20	Bagder	;-)
20:12:24	dwihno	:)
20:12:26	Bagder	we don't decide that now anyway
20:12:30	Zagor	zaknafein: start with the texts
20:12:36	dwihno	loadable language files in xml format?
20:12:47	dwihno	"Good idea dwihno"
20:12:48	dwihno	Thanks
20:12:49	Bagder	that and a html browser?
20:12:53	Bagder	;-)
20:12:58	dwihno	Why not! :D
20:15:12	dwihno	Good idea Bagder> ;-)
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20:17:03	zaknafein	i'll do it zagor, but as i said before, i'm a bit colapsed with work, so maybe it will go slowly
20:17:38	Zagor	no problem
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20:22:41	MeRWiN	i cvs update far too often
20:23:24	dwihno	you can't update too often
20:24:12	MeRWiN	what does U and P mean in cvs update?
20:24:44	Bagder	update patch
20:24:50	Bagder	I think
20:26:09	Bagder	U "The file was brought up to date with respect to the repository."
20:27:40	MeRWiN	U seems to occur when the file didn't previously exist
20:27:57	Bagder	ah, right
20:28:02	Zagor	yes. U is "nuw" file :-)
20:28:04	Bagder	"This is done for any file that exists in the repository but not in your source,"
20:28:28	Bagder	and P means patching your local file
20:28:41	Bagder	and M if you've modified it
20:29:06	MeRWiN	ahh
20:29:08	MeRWiN	okey
20:29:36	MeRWiN	I think that patch for going back to the beginning of the song should be extended to 3 seconds, instead of 2
20:30:42	MeRWiN	Also, I was thinking... do we really need the 2 line ID3 display anymore? the 1 line id3 that I created shows all of that info plus more. It seems like the 2 line display (artist on 1 line, title on the other) is kind of useless now
20:31:26	MeRWiN	this is regarding the player btw
20:32:36	Zagor	the wps is a never-ending debate :-)
20:32:45	Bagder	indeed
20:33:02	quelsaruk	to upgrade from cvs i used the command "cvs upgrade -dP" but it says that: "cvs update: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option", what is wrong??
20:33:29	Bagder	quelsaruk: you're in the wrong directory doing that
20:33:40	Zagor	quelsaruk: did you read http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvs.html ?
20:34:36	quelsaruk	zagor, i did
20:35:06	quelsaruk	maybe badger is correct.. i think i did it in the wrong directory
20:35:10	quelsaruk	:)
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20:39:59	MeRWiN-	Zagor: well, the 1 line id3 is a new thing from me, displays all needed info. Although I assume there might be some people that just want to see artist & title only :-)
20:41:39	Zagor	MeRWiN-: I agree with you, I'm just not sure how we can resolve this and make most people happy
20:42:17	MeRWiN-	comment it out and see if anyone notices? grin
20:42:49	Zagor	haha
20:43:59	Zagor	blueh. the scroll code is a real can'o worms...
20:44:20	Zagor	we need to fix the font mess ASAP
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20:45:39	Zagor	I need food
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20:52:48	quelsaruk	i'm leaving
20:52:55	Bagder	bye quelsaruk
20:52:56	quelsaruk	see yuo another day!
20:53:09	quelsaruk	i'll work on that today :)
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21:26:03	Bagder	any silly bugs I should dig into ?
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21:35:58	MeRWiN	Bagder: there's a bit of a fly problem going around over here
21:36:51	Bagder	sorry, I only do mosquitos ;-)
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21:48:02	Bagder	adi\|dads: you changed the URL you get to see when you join here?
21:48:13	adi\|dads	me.. why?>
21:48:21	adi\|dads	want me too?
21:48:29	Bagder	it could point to the html version
21:48:33	adi\|dads	nods
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21:52:36	adiamas	brb
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21:52:53	adiamas	okay.. fixed
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21:53:49	*	adi\|dads bitch slaps Bagder
21:53:52	Bagder	thanks
21:54:00	adi\|dads	np :)
21:54:09	adi\|dads	all i have to say is.. who's your daddy?
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22:11:06	elinenbe	ahhh.
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22:14:29	Hes	The new USB logo is way cool.
22:14:42	*	Bagder agrees
22:14:47	Hes	I just committed a little charger tuning.
22:15:14	Hes	Slowly making it charge a little more, test for some time to see it doesn't burn, commit, tune a little more, test some more 8-)
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22:17:25	Bagder	yeah, we need it to charge a little more
22:19:03	Hes	Have to be very careful while tuning it
22:20:52	Bagder	"I have been championing rockbox to all my friends, most of whom have no clue what I'm talking about or even who I am."
22:24:25	dwihno	Hey, I just watched monsters inc. quite cute movie.
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22:28:10	Bagder	"Buffer 1.77mb???? Is that normal? I thought we had 2mb. Presumably, the rockbox uses some? "
22:28:19	Bagder	silly ppl
22:28:41	Zagor	haha
22:29:43	Hadaka	hey guys
22:29:56	Hadaka	12.0V, 1.2A output
22:29:59	dwihno	:-)
22:30:00	dwihno	Hehe
22:30:08	Bagder	there it is
22:30:11	Hadaka	100-240V, 50-60Hz, 0.4A input.
22:30:15	Zagor	that's a monster
22:30:28	Hadaka	Sunfone - Model no: ACSD-28
22:30:30	Zagor	I run a measly 700mA on my 12V adapter
22:30:43	Hadaka	And this is smaller than the normal archos charger I'd say
22:31:15	Hadaka	hm, this is 1cm longer - but also 1cm thinner
22:31:18	Hadaka	same width
22:31:28	Zagor	it's switched, right?
22:33:59	Hadaka	switched?
22:34:58	Hadaka	it has no switch on it - you just stick in the suitable plug for the socet
22:35:26	Zagor	yeah, I mean the internals. switched is a design type for AC/DC converters
22:35:39	Zagor	they don't have transformer iron cores
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22:48:39	Hes	That's a lot.
22:49:42	Hes	switched supplies do have transformers and transformers have cores... they just do their thing at a higher frequency than 50 Hz which gives them better efficiency, thus they need much smaller and lighter transformers.
22:54:31	Hes	Thanks Hadaka, I added that info to BATTERY-FAQ !
22:57:04	Zagor	Hes: my rec20 just stopped charging from my 12V adapter. anything you want me to check?
22:57:35	Zagor	it's charged a few hours, I'd say the batteries are full. so nothing abnormal.
22:58:05	Zagor	the graph shows peak 5.68 and a sharp dip to 5.40V
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23:01:34	Hes	5.68 sounds good.
23:02:01	Hes	Hey, what's the ext voltage measured by the power debugger?
23:02:11	Zagor	8.16V
23:02:32	Hes	During charging or not?
23:02:42	Zagor	not
23:03:30	Hes	I was thinking of not enabling the charger if the ext voltage was scaringly high.
23:03:40	Hes	8.16V sounds low for a 12V supply
23:03:58	Zagor	I agree. I'll switch it to 9V and see what it says
23:05:11	Zagor	with the adapter set at 9V, external is reported as 6.74V
23:05:25	Hes	Wondering if the EXT voltage is actually measured right at the power input
23:05:27	Zagor	unfortunately, I don't have a volt meter so I can't check it
23:05:29	Hes	or if the scaling is wrong
23:05:41	Hes	i have a multimeter, haven't checked mine
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23:46:45	Hes	Uhm... what is the byte order on the SH-1... an unsigned int would be?
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23:47:02	Zagor	Hes: big endian
23:47:21	Hes	About time for me to know that.
23:47:26	Zagor	0xcafef00d becomes CA FE F0 0D
23:56:13	Hes	htonl() is my friend.
23:58:31	Hes	Is there an API for doing a statf() or something, to get the length of an open file?
23:58:43	Zagor	lseek does that
23:58:45	Hes	length = lseek(fd, 0, SEEK_END); works
23:58:49	Zagor	yes
23:58:52	Hes	but isn't probably the fastest way

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