| 00:00:45 | datazone | hopefully my 30GB drive should get in this week |
| 00:15:01 | Zagor | Hes: are you awake? |
| 00:19:24 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:38:43 | | Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-11-239.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:39:07 | Silly_Fly | what is lcd_getstringsize? |
| 00:39:22 | Bagder | returns the length in pixels of string |
| 00:39:27 | Bagder | of a string |
| 00:39:36 | Jet8810 | does anybody know where to find info on swapping out archos hard drive? |
| 00:39:40 | Jet8810 | i am just looking into it for fun |
| 00:40:22 | Silly_Fly | lcd_getstringsize(string). no other pparameters? |
| 00:41:09 | Silly_Fly | Jey8810 : http://www.funmp3players.com/reviews/modify/ |
| 00:41:12 | Bagder | int lcd_getstringsize(unsigned char *str, unsigned char* font, int *w, int *h) |
| 00:41:17 | Silly_Fly | lol, jet :) |
| 00:41:29 | Bagder | oh |
| 00:41:33 | Bagder | wrong |
| 00:41:49 | Jet8810 | hehe |
| 00:41:52 | Bagder | int lcd_getstringsize(unsigned char *str, unsigned int font, int *w, int *h) |
| 00:41:59 | Bagder | if propfonts is used |
| 00:42:56 | Silly_Fly | so it puts the height and width in h and w, right? but then what it returns? |
| 00:43:56 | Bagder | the width there too |
| 00:44:53 | Silly_Fly | any info on when sourceforge.net is back? |
| 00:45:10 | Bagder | back? |
| 00:45:20 | Bagder | has it been gone? |
| 00:45:58 | | Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:45:59 | Silly_Fly | We're Sorry. |
| 00:46:00 | Silly_Fly | The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance. |
| 00:46:00 | Silly_Fly | We will be back shortly |
| 00:46:13 | | Join Jet8810 [0] (~Joshua@adsl-35-11-239.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:46:14 | Silly_Fly | that's what I get when trying to access it.... |
| 00:46:17 | Bagder | I use it right now |
| 00:47:22 | Silly_Fly | lol. apparently it's just the main page.... |
| 00:48:12 | Silly_Fly | i can use it too, if not going to www.sourceforge.net, but some other path.... |
| 00:48:51 | Zagor | don't add "www" to it. the address is just http://sourceforge.net |
| 00:49:52 | Silly_Fly | c'ya. goodnight. |
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| 00:50:36 | | Nick mecraw|home is now known as mecraw (~mecraw@67.41.113.92) |
| 00:53:03 | mecraw | How do I store something in rtc? What address should I use? |
| 00:53:13 | Zagor | mecraw: look in settings.c |
| 00:53:37 | mecraw | Do I just pick any bit that isn't being used? |
| 00:53:43 | Zagor | yes |
| 00:53:51 | mecraw | ok |
| 00:55:58 | Bagder | adi|home: remember the q for the faq about changing the player font? ;-) |
| 00:56:58 | Bagder | Zagor: check this |
| 00:57:18 | Bagder | "The PBDR stays at FBBF no matter what button I press! (I tried all of them once I found that ON had no effect)" |
| 00:57:37 | Zagor | lovely... |
| 00:57:55 | Zagor | how can Archos make so many different versions of their hardware? it's a mystery... |
| 00:58:27 | | Join lohap [0] (~lohap@213-48-172-10.bra.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:58:33 | Bagder | this is the guy with the ON problem on rec6 |
| 00:58:44 | Zagor | ok. hi lohap. |
| 00:58:57 | lohap | hi all i was just wonmdering is there any walkthroughs showing you how to mnt a recorder 20 in linux |
| 00:59:23 | lohap | as ive just ported to linux and im a newbie |
| 00:59:28 | Zagor | lohap: plug it in, run "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos" |
| 00:59:49 | Bagder | ... if you have the proper modules, yes ;-) |
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| 01:00:00 | Zagor | riht |
| 01:00:02 | Zagor | right |
| 01:00:23 | Zagor | lohap: which linux distro are you using? Red Hat? |
| 01:00:32 | lohap | mandrake 8.2 |
| 01:00:51 | Bagder | you run usb2 or usb1.1? |
| 01:00:59 | lohap | both |
| 01:01:22 | Zagor | ok. you need to patch your kernel to get usb2 running, so let's just start with usb1.1 |
| 01:01:34 | lohap | ok then lol |
| 01:02:02 | Zagor | d you have a directory called /proc/bus/usb ? |
| 01:02:46 | lohap | barr with mounting it now |
| 01:03:36 | * | adi|home hmmms to Bagder? |
| 01:04:02 | Bagder | adi|home: that q about changing font on the player is a good faq subject |
| 01:04:36 | lohap | its says sda1 dosnt exsist brb need to reboot |
| 01:04:38 | | Quit lohap ("Client Exiting") |
| 01:05:33 | adi|home | ahh.. got ya... |
| 01:05:35 | adi|home | will do |
| 01:05:50 | adi|home | so is the 'games on the player' questions |
| 01:07:00 | Bagder | yes |
| 01:07:13 | adi|home | btw... |
| 01:07:31 | adi|home | if we are willing to load a config file at boot/exit usb mode |
| 01:07:39 | adi|home | i thin i have a nice little scheme for menu options |
| 01:07:50 | adi|home | ie: having menus/functions listed that only the user wants |
| 01:08:25 | adi|home | Zagor have you discussed the use of a 'rockbox' directory under root yet? |
| 01:08:58 | Zagor | no, but someone mentioned it the other day and I think .rockbox would be good dir name |
| 01:09:22 | Bagder | .rockbox is however crap for windows people |
| 01:09:24 | adi|home | nods |
| 01:09:30 | adi|home | i wasn't/am not sure how i feel about it |
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| 01:09:36 | * | adi|home agress with Bagder |
| 01:09:37 | Zagor | is it? why? |
| 01:09:40 | Bagder | I tried on my NT at work |
| 01:09:45 | adi|home | what _might_ work... |
| 01:09:49 | adi|home | is looking for both |
| 01:09:49 | Bagder | I can't make a dir named like that |
| 01:09:54 | lohap | woo mounted it is there anyway to like click on summat and have it do it for you |
| 01:09:57 | adi|home | and giving one precedence over the other |
| 01:10:04 | Zagor | Bagder: even from the prompt? |
| 01:10:08 | adi|home | ie: you can put your files in either .rockbox or rockbox |
| 01:10:13 | Bagder | Zagor: I didn't try that |
| 01:10:19 | Bagder | I was in shock |
| 01:10:58 | Zagor | Bagder: what did you expect? this was windows! |
| 01:11:01 | adi|home | Bagder: the graphics.. for the t-shirts |
| 01:11:11 | Bagder | yes? |
| 01:11:11 | adi|home | is there any way we could make the ones on the main page thumbnails? |
| 01:11:18 | adi|home | the full image takes way to long to dl. |
| 01:11:32 | Zagor | heh, they *are* thumbnails... |
| 01:11:42 | mecraw | FYI: i have no problem creating .rockbox directory in windows |
| 01:12:03 | Zagor | mecraw: in explorer or from the prompt? |
| 01:12:09 | mecraw | prompt |
| 01:12:20 | mecraw | it doesn't work in explorer |
| 01:12:37 | Zagor | mecraw: but you can see it and navigate into it with the explorer? |
| 01:12:38 | lohap | i have it working with usb1.1 how do i get ti working with usb 2.0 in mandrake 8.2 |
| 01:12:51 | adi|home | really.. those are thumbnails.. damn they took forever to pull down :) |
| 01:12:55 | Zagor | lohap: you need to download, patch and compile a new kernel. |
| 01:12:56 | mecraw | i think so, one sec |
| 01:13:41 | mecraw | Zagor: no problem going into it in explorer once it's created |
| 01:13:56 | Zagor | mecraw: excellent. ".rockbox" it is, then |
| 01:14:05 | adi|home | hmm win2k i can make .rockbox with no prob from prompt.. |
| 01:14:29 | Bagder | I guess from prompt is the keyword |
| 01:14:40 | adi|home | hmm let me try from icon |
| 01:15:58 | Zagor | lohap: hmm, looks like you don't have to patch anymore. just update to 2.4.19 |
| 01:16:11 | Bagder | really? cool |
| 01:16:40 | lohap | right then btw when i download something to the desktop in kde3.0 its dosnt show although it show in /home/lohap/Desktop in the filebrowser |
| 01:16:41 | Zagor | "The 2.4.19 kernel is the first to bundle a 2.4 based version of the ehci-hcd driver." |
| 01:17:02 | Zagor | lohap: learn to love the command line... :-) |
| 01:17:35 | lohap | lol |
| 01:17:47 | lohap | i am but but im also a windows user |
| 01:17:56 | Zagor | stop that ;) |
| 01:18:41 | Zagor | hmm, it says Mandrake already includes (patched) support for USB 2.0 |
| 01:18:54 | Zagor | too bad I don't know Mandrake at all, so I don't know how to test that |
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| 01:19:25 | lohap | also if i open up the terminal in kde3.0 it looks up kde untill i close it lol teach me for installing kde 3.0 over 2.2 |
| 01:19:46 | Zagor | strange |
| 01:20:27 | lohap | hgerm it only does it if you use the shortcut on the menu bar |
| 01:21:33 | Zagor | I need to get some sleep. see you tomorrow, guys |
| 01:21:38 | lohap | cya |
| 01:21:40 | | Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") |
| 01:22:47 | lohap | how you unmount summat just unmount |
| 01:23:19 | Bagder | umount /mnt/archos |
| 01:23:51 | lohap | is there anyway to like setup a shortcut to do that and how you change permission so anyone can edit it |
| 01:24:14 | Bagder | shortcut to the command? |
| 01:24:36 | Bagder | make it a script, make a shortcut that runs the script |
| 01:24:49 | lohap | yea i mean like a desktop icon so all you have to do is clcik on it |
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| 01:25:12 | lohap | right linux newbie errr so how do i do that |
| 01:25:53 | Bagder | a script is unix-speak for a batch file |
| 01:26:03 | adi|home | wrong |
| 01:26:06 | adi|home | ;) |
| 01:26:14 | adi|home | a batch file is dos-speak for a script |
| 01:26:16 | * | adi|home smirks |
| 01:26:16 | lohap | k how you change permission in terminal |
| 01:26:19 | Bagder | well, I simply here ;-) don't ruin it now |
| 01:26:21 | adi|home | unix came first! |
| 01:26:23 | Bagder | simplify |
| 01:26:36 | juergen | this is juergen, wants to buy a recorder 20 with USB2, would rockbox work? |
| 01:26:50 | lohap | yea |
| 01:26:54 | Bagder | lohap: chmod a+rw [file] to give read+write permission to all |
| 01:27:07 | Bagder | juergen: oh yes |
| 01:27:12 | lohap | thanks |
| 01:27:26 | juergen | good to know, thanks! what are the hw differences |
| 01:27:34 | Bagder | juergen: compared to what? |
| 01:27:43 | juergen | the old 500204 onw |
| 01:27:52 | juergen | change onw to one |
| 01:28:17 | Bagder | 500204? |
| 01:28:28 | * | Bagder is clueless |
| 01:28:51 | juergen | this is the archos prod no for the old 20G recorder sold by retail stores |
| 01:29:15 | juergen | the new one has a prod no of: 500277 |
| 01:29:18 | Bagder | so you say there's a rec20 that isn't usb2? |
| 01:29:27 | lohap | brb |
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| 01:29:34 | juergen | it looks like it |
| 01:29:50 | Bagder | I've never heard about that before |
| 01:30:21 | juergen | this is what I did: shopping.yahoo.com shows you companies with 500204 prod ids |
| 01:31:08 | juergen | archos.com shows you USB2.0 models with different keys (4 way split vs big round) |
| 01:31:56 | Bagder | the big round is not a recorder, that's a player/studio |
| 01:32:38 | juergen | that might be the mix up, thanks |
| 01:32:47 | Bagder | don't confuse the studio 20 with the recorder 20 |
| 01:33:06 | juergen | got it, may just buy it on ebay then |
| 01:33:36 | Bagder | its a neat box |
| 01:33:50 | Bagder | and its fun to program too! ;-) |
| 01:34:09 | juergen | looks like it, certainly! Good code, I read through it! |
| 01:34:41 | Bagder | :-) |
| 01:34:59 | juergen | thanks for your insight |
| 01:35:20 | Bagder | no problemos, always good to get another rockbox user with clues ;-) |
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| 01:40:07 | h0bby | hello |
| 01:40:36 | h0bby | i was just wondering when you think 1.3 will come out |
| 01:40:53 | adi|home | okay.. thats it... wtf did Zagor go? |
| 01:40:55 | adi|home | damnit! |
| 01:41:09 | Bagder | h0bby: rsn ;-) |
| 01:41:11 | adi|home | grrrrrr...... |
| 01:41:25 | Bagder | adi|home: he sleeps |
| 01:41:36 | Bagder | I should too |
| 01:41:44 | Jet8810 | hobby, you can downlod the latest versions if you want, before they are publicly released |
| 01:41:48 | Jet8810 | buggy sure, but you get the latest |
| 01:41:55 | adi|home | damnit.. |
| 01:42:00 | adi|home | Bagder.. do me a favor |
| 01:42:06 | adi|home | look at the FAQ in the cvs |
| 01:42:16 | adi|home | and tell me if you see a question #39? |
| 01:42:31 | h0bby | i have but i wondering more for the sake of seeing all the new stuff after |
| 01:42:51 | Bagder | adi|home: I see it, yes |
| 01:43:16 | adi|home | okay.. thats been there a while... |
| 01:43:24 | adi|home | and since then other changes have been made |
| 01:43:38 | adi|home | but WTF has that question not shown up on the website.. but the other changes have? |
| 01:44:13 | Bagder | I bet there's a flaw in the auto update somehow |
| 01:44:14 | h0bby | also i am leaving for australia soon and would like to have a solid version since i will not have a chance to usb often |
| 01:44:30 | Bagder | adi|home: and I can guess what it is... :-) |
| 01:45:45 | adi|home | yeah? whats that? |
| 01:45:50 | Bagder | a problem in the makefile |
| 01:45:58 | Bagder | I'll bug Zagor in the morning about it |
| 01:46:10 | Bagder | gotta sleep now |
| 01:46:22 | | Part Bagder |
| 01:47:42 | Jet8810 | i find betra alpha non supported versions are stable |
| 01:47:43 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 01:47:51 | Jet8810 | just some visual errors at times |
| 01:50:14 | adi|home | huh? |
| 01:50:40 | Jet8810 | talking to hobby |
| 01:50:55 | adi|home | i figured.. but your first sentance threw me... |
| 01:51:00 | adi|home | <Jet8810> i find betra alpha non supported versions are stable |
| 01:51:01 | adi|home | ? |
| 01:51:12 | Jet8810 | beta alpha non supported versions |
| 01:51:13 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 01:51:15 | adi|home | we don't have beta/alpha version |
| 01:51:18 | Jet8810 | what is unclear about that? :-p |
| 01:51:24 | Jet8810 | i mean the ones that are posted as they are updated |
| 01:51:28 | adi|home | nods |
| 01:51:42 | adi|home | those are just unsupported/unrelease versions |
| 01:51:50 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 01:51:52 | Jet8810 | but calling them |
| 01:51:54 | Jet8810 | beta alpha non supported versions |
| 01:51:56 | adi|home | nothing beta or alpha about them ;) |
| 01:51:58 | Jet8810 | is more fun :-p |
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| 02:02:05 | | Nick seb-away is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 02:02:17 | | Join h0bby [0] (Hobby@h24-83-178-201.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 02:19:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 02:31:33 | mecraw | Can anyone help out a hex-illiterate? |
| 02:39:52 | | Quit h0bby () |
| 02:46:02 | | Quit freshmaker ("ChatZilla 0.8.9 [Mozilla rv:1.1/20020826]") |
| 02:46:21 | | Join MeRWiN [0] (merwin@216.155.171.193) |
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| 03:03:22 | | Join alphawave [0] (alphawave@208-149-64-76.ppp.nexband.com) |
| 03:03:32 | alphawave | hey |
| 03:03:58 | mecraw | hey |
| 03:04:16 | alphawave | can someone help walk me through being delveloper? |
| 03:04:58 | mecraw | maybe, what's the question? |
| 03:05:19 | alphawave | well really where do i start |
| 03:05:40 | alphawave | i look at the cvs and everything but i wasn't able to download |
| 03:06:28 | mecraw | you look at CVS through the web? |
| 03:06:53 | alphawave | o i mean as the cvs page of rockbox |
| 03:07:27 | mecraw | are you trying to download the source? |
| 03:07:31 | alphawave | yes |
| 03:07:49 | | Join MeRWiN [0] (merwin@216.155.171.193) |
| 03:08:18 | mecraw | Do you want the absolute latest or just a tarball that's updated daily? |
| 03:08:33 | mecraw | Hi, MeRWiN |
| 03:09:20 | MeRWiN | hey mecraw |
| 03:09:29 | alphawave | gimme a sec |
| 03:09:56 | mecraw | MeRWiN: are you hex-literate? |
| 03:10:18 | MeRWiN | mecraw: sorta... whatcha need? |
| 03:10:50 | mecraw | i need to put an int in RTC, but I can't tell what's open |
| 03:11:07 | MeRWiN | I can't help you much with RTC. |
| 03:11:24 | MeRWiN | I'm not familiar with it at all |
| 03:11:32 | mecraw | me neither :( |
| 03:11:54 | alphawave | ok im at dowloads at cvs.com but whick one is needed? |
| 03:12:55 | mecraw | cvs.com is a pharmacy site |
| 03:13:04 | mecraw | are you running linux or windows? |
| 03:13:11 | alphawave | windows |
| 03:13:21 | alphawave | i meant ccvs.com |
| 03:13:41 | * | MeRWiN is dialing up on his cell phone |
| 03:13:56 | * | alphawave laughs |
| 03:14:44 | mecraw | i believe the cvs site is cvshome.com |
| 03:15:10 | alphawave | yes you get the same place either way |
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| 03:15:57 | mecraw | i'd recommend using cygwin, and just tell it to install cvs |
| 03:16:21 | alphawave | ok |
| 03:16:54 | | Quit MeRWiN () |
| 03:17:42 | alphawave | im downloading ow |
| 03:17:48 | alphawave | *now |
| 03:19:45 | | Join MeRWiN [0] (merwin@216.155.170.135) |
| 03:19:54 | MeRWiN | the wireless data connection is very far from perfected |
| 03:20:09 | alphawave | yea |
| 03:20:25 | mecraw | 802.11b or a? |
| 03:20:33 | MeRWiN | neither... GSM GPRS |
| 03:20:38 | MeRWiN | cell phone |
| 03:20:43 | mecraw | ah |
| 03:20:58 | MeRWiN | up to like 4 KB/s |
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| 03:21:33 | alphawave | never heard of that |
| 03:21:57 | alphawave | god |
| 03:21:59 | MeRWiN | GPRS is the "new" cell phone data connection standard. |
| 03:22:05 | alphawave | thats sLowwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 03:22:21 | MeRWiN | alphawave: UP to 4 KB/s ... usually more like 2 :) |
| 03:22:31 | MeRWiN | alphawave: better than nothing though. |
| 03:22:58 | alphawave | yeah |
| 03:23:17 | MeRWiN | only a 2 second ping... |
| 03:23:20 | MeRWiN | not bad i guess |
| 03:23:29 | alphawave | dang |
| 03:23:30 | MeRWiN | yay! I didn't break the build :) |
| 03:24:05 | MeRWiN | I usually end up breaking it |
| 03:24:33 | alphawave | first try on cygwin had a .5 kp dl speed |
| 03:24:52 | MeRWiN | heh |
| 03:25:02 | alphawave | now im geting 3 |
| 03:25:14 | alphawave | sill slow |
| 03:26:04 | alphawave | so are you in sweden? |
| 03:26:15 | mecraw | I'm in Denver |
| 03:26:21 | MeRWiN | nope, i'm from seattle... currently in the houston airport though |
| 03:26:27 | alphawave | o cool orego here |
| 03:26:32 | alphawave | *oregon |
| 03:26:36 | alphawave | lo |
| 03:26:37 | alphawave | l |
| 03:26:45 | MeRWiN | heh |
| 03:27:10 | alphawave | im in mississippi now |
| 03:27:17 | alphawave | for a few days |
| 03:27:51 | MeRWiN | hot? |
| 03:28:02 | alphawave | it was |
| 03:28:31 | alphawave | it was 106f in oregon a few weeks ago |
| 03:28:49 | MeRWiN | ouch |
| 03:29:57 | MeRWiN | I need a free dns server |
| 03:30:22 | alphawave | cant help yah there |
| 03:31:12 | MeRWiN | I've got no dns right now |
| 03:31:56 | alphawave | when does bjorn come into irc? |
| 03:32:07 | MeRWiN | around 11pm pst |
| 03:32:08 | MeRWiN | err |
| 03:32:10 | MeRWiN | yeah |
| 03:32:20 | alphawave | lol |
| 03:32:30 | alphawave | so im not gonnasee him |
| 03:32:33 | mecraw | damn swedes |
| 03:32:59 | MeRWiN | heh |
| 03:33:34 | mecraw | merwin: you messed up my file :( |
| 03:33:40 | MeRWiN | hmm? |
| 03:33:53 | mecraw | i didn't save wps.c before merging |
| 03:33:58 | MeRWiN | ack |
| 03:33:59 | MeRWiN | that sucks |
| 03:34:05 | alphawave | youch |
| 03:34:06 | mecraw | only 3 lines lost |
| 03:34:10 | mecraw | no biggie |
| 03:35:09 | alphawave | did you see defcon where they were looking for open 802.11b networks? |
| 03:39:24 | alphawave | so merwin where you flying 2? |
| 03:39:46 | MeRWiN | new orleans for a couple days, then dallas |
| 03:40:17 | alphawave | i was in dalas the other day while flying here in mississippi |
| 03:40:42 | alphawave | and i had to wait 6 hours cuz the damn flight was late :( |
| 03:41:21 | MeRWiN | heh |
| 03:41:31 | alphawave | well atleast my archos kept me happy :) |
| 03:41:32 | MeRWiN | I'm taking a later flight so i can get first class and play around on the net |
| 03:41:39 | alphawave | running rockbox |
| 03:41:41 | MeRWiN | brb |
| 03:41:47 | alphawave | cool |
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| 03:45:36 | alphawave | hi |
| 03:46:20 | alphawave | most people say ftp works better for tranferring files... dosn't work for me |
| 03:49:02 | mecraw | me neither |
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| 03:49:20 | MeRWiN | I give up on the web :-) |
| 03:49:32 | MeRWiN | actually, i'm going to give it one more shot |
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| 03:57:07 | MeRWiN | I pulled out the trusty Motorola GPRS Phone... Infrared connection. Should work better (and with DNS) |
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| 04:21:17 | alphawave | i have to go |
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| 04:26:54 | nunya | HELP! Using the 0825 daily build on my player (firmware 4.53). No resume. I saw mention that it is under General Settings under the main menu... but not on mine. Am I totally missing something here?? |
| 04:27:44 | mecraw | did you scroll all the way down? |
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| 04:31:31 | nunya | yupper... volume, sound, play mode, language, hard disk, diagnose, firmware, external, and contrast |
| 04:32:01 | nunya | is it mebbe somehow not reading the new mod file? nothing seems different |
| 04:33:10 | mecraw | what does firmware say? it doesn't sound like rockbox loaded |
| 04:33:35 | nunya | ver 4.53.. dat's it! |
| 04:37:31 | nunya | if i'm using the daily build, do i still need the 1.2 mod file? i thought i just needed to plop the daily build mod into the root directory, renaming it to archos.mod |
| 04:38:51 | mecraw | that sounds like all you should have to do |
| 04:39:07 | mecraw | i have a recorder, so my player knowledge is a little weak |
| 04:42:45 | nunya | HELP!! any player peoples out there awake?? |
| 04:49:34 | pimlottc | I'm a player person... but I just found out about rockbox about 2 hours ago |
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| 05:01:32 | nunya | i dunno.. i just put the 1.2 version on there named archos.mod, shut it off, pulled batteries, waited a little, put batteries in, booted up and i still just get what i had before - ver 4.53 - the original archos 'stuff' |
| 05:07:24 | pimlottc | 1.2 is working fine for me |
| 05:22:33 | nunya | did u rename it archos.mod? and just copy into root of drive? |
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| 05:46:30 | pimlottc | yes nunya |
| 05:46:37 | pimlottc | man I'm quick |
| 05:46:53 | pimlottc | heh sdf is still around eh |
| 05:47:01 | pimlottc | good for them |
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| 07:03:21 | MeRWiN | yoyo |
| 07:03:49 | hardeep | hey |
| 07:04:32 | MeRWiN | so, do you get that 1 or 2 second delay when changing tracks sometimes now? |
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| 07:05:14 | MeRWiN | hey linus |
| 07:05:17 | hardeep | Hmmmm, when selecting next? |
| 07:05:17 | LinusN | yo |
| 07:05:24 | MeRWiN | do you get that 1 or 2 second delay when changing tracks now? |
| 07:05:24 | hardeep | hey Linus |
| 07:05:26 | MeRWiN | hardeep: yup |
| 07:05:38 | MeRWiN | it sits there before spinning up |
| 07:06:17 | Hes | Morning |
| 07:06:56 | LinusN | morning hes! |
| 07:07:11 | hardeep | MeRWiN: I haven't noticed it |
| 07:07:58 | mecraw | Hi, Linus |
| 07:11:14 | MeRWiN | that's 3 snake games so far |
| 07:11:15 | MeRWiN | :) |
| 07:11:50 | LinusN | yeah |
| 07:14:55 | LinusN | anyone here with a recorder 6? |
| 07:15:37 | hardeep | LinusN: I do |
| 07:15:53 | LinusN | and you have no problems with ON? |
| 07:16:08 | hardeep | Works fine for me |
| 07:16:17 | LinusN | whar ROM version? |
| 07:16:42 | hardeep | 1.17i |
| 07:16:53 | LinusN | same as the guy who has problems... |
| 07:18:08 | LinusN | does the stock firmware use the ON button for something? |
| 07:18:52 | hardeep | Hmmm, I can't think if anything it's used for... let me confirm |
| 07:20:21 | hardeep | Oh, yeah, it's used for lock/unlock |
| 07:20:26 | hardeep | if you hold on 3s |
| 07:21:21 | LinusN | ok, so chances are that the guy has never used it |
| 07:21:22 | hardeep | Also for enabling playing while charging |
| 07:22:04 | LinusN | hardeep: you mean turn the unit on when in charge mode? |
| 07:24:22 | hardeep | no, use the jukebox when in charge mode (get out of the charging screen) |
| 07:25:00 | LinusN | that's what i mean |
| 07:25:21 | hardeep | oh, then, yeah. :) |
| 07:27:38 | hardeep | Wow, it's been a while since i've used the stock firmware. |
| 07:29:12 | h0bby | hello |
| 07:29:49 | h0bby | i was just wondering if anyone could aswer a few questions |
| 07:30:05 | hardeep | we only ask questions here, we don't answer |
| 07:30:13 | h0bby | heheh |
| 07:30:20 | LinusN | h0bby: and no stupid questions! :-) |
| 07:30:27 | h0bby | well ill throw some more out there |
| 07:30:34 | LinusN | shoot! |
| 07:31:33 | h0bby | i was wondering if it would be possible to bypass the load of rockbox and load the original ware |
| 07:31:49 | LinusN | h0bby: not at the moment |
| 07:32:04 | LinusN | we are working on a loader alled RoLo |
| 07:32:30 | LinusN | with that you can load any MOD/AJZ file in the file browser |
| 07:32:53 | LinusN | so you can keep several versions on disk |
| 07:32:56 | h0bby | would it reload back though |
| 07:33:07 | h0bby | if switching to archos |
| 07:33:10 | LinusN | no, not the original archos ones |
| 07:33:16 | LinusN | you will have toi reboot |
| 07:33:49 | h0bby | i was thinking that for playlist making and recording archos could still be used |
| 07:34:09 | LinusN | yup, as long as we don't have it that will be the only way |
| 07:34:12 | h0bby | and for the rest use the best |
| 07:34:21 | LinusN | just load the old firmware with rolo and then reboot |
| 07:34:39 | h0bby | but im taking my archos backpacking in a week |
| 07:34:42 | LinusN | when you have created the playlist |
| 07:34:51 | LinusN | h0bby: what model? |
| 07:34:57 | h0bby | recorder |
| 07:35:00 | h0bby | 10 |
| 07:35:17 | LinusN | ok, we haven't had it working on the recorder yet |
| 07:35:28 | h0bby | oh well |
| 07:35:30 | LinusN | it works on the players |
| 07:36:26 | h0bby | so is it possible or even simple to have a way when rockbox loads to somehow bypass the load and load the original |
| 07:36:36 | h0bby | on boot up |
| 07:37:07 | LinusN | hmmm... |
| 07:37:13 | LinusN | no |
| 07:37:13 | h0bby | or is there no going back once the jrec patch has been found |
| 07:37:25 | LinusN | it is the ROM firmware that loads the rockbox |
| 07:37:56 | h0bby | but without any it loads the original harware? |
| 07:38:30 | LinusN | yup |
| 07:38:45 | LinusN | if there is an ajbrec.ajz file it will be loaded |
| 07:39:04 | h0bby | so once it is detected there is no going back |
| 07:39:23 | LinusN | nope |
| 07:39:35 | h0bby | would have been nice though |
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| 07:39:56 | h0bby | thx anyway |
| 07:39:59 | LinusN | yup, that's why we are working on RoLo |
| 07:40:10 | LinusN | h0bby: next question? |
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| 07:41:19 | h0bby | i guess there will be no recording or playlist making for me for the next little while |
| 07:42:11 | h0bby | untill i can hook it up in a net cafe that will allow me |
| 07:42:12 | LinusN | h0bby: i'm pleased that you still choose rockbox :-) |
| 07:42:24 | MeRWiN | when are we plopping 1.3 onto the masses? |
| 07:42:24 | h0bby | there is no going back |
| 07:42:37 | LinusN | h0bby: create some playlists beforehand |
| 07:42:47 | LinusN | MeRWiN: any day now |
| 07:43:02 | MeRWiN | LinusN: coolio... :-) |
| 07:43:09 | LinusN | we just have to verify that everything works, especially the new ATA delay |
| 07:43:39 | LinusN | and it will rock! |
| 07:43:46 | Hes | I'm worried about my disk working or not |
| 07:43:54 | Hes | or rockbox not working with it |
| 07:44:05 | LinusN | Hes: what's the prob? |
| 07:44:11 | MeRWiN | LinusN: agreed. I'll be happy when 1.3 is out and we can discuss taking my Custom WPS out of #define... The code is a mess of #defines now :-) |
| 07:44:26 | LinusN | MeRWiN: roger that |
| 07:44:26 | Hes | The one discussed yesterday... just posted a mail about it to the list |
| 07:44:48 | LinusN | aha, that one |
| 07:45:07 | LinusN | I have seen the same problem on my disk, same brand |
| 07:45:19 | hardeep | Did it turn out the skip problem was something else? |
| 07:45:20 | LinusN | you want me to test your code to see if the problem is the same? |
| 07:45:31 | Hes | Sure |
| 07:45:32 | LinusN | hardeep: no i don't think so? |
| 07:45:37 | Hes | I'll stick it somewhere |
| 07:45:39 | MeRWiN | the skip problem doesn't exist anymore |
| 07:46:08 | LinusN | MeRWiN: maybe zagors last fix did it, the dont-sleep-while-sleeping fix |
| 07:46:26 | LinusN | MeRWiN: the new ata sleep makes it less likely to happen |
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| 07:46:57 | Hes | But it's still very easy to reproduce with my fortune |
| 07:48:02 | LinusN | ok |
| 07:49:32 | Hes | http://hes.iki.fi/rockbox/ |
| 07:49:38 | Hes | put the .c in recorder/ |
| 07:49:56 | Hes | apps/recorder/ of course ... and fortune in screensavers_menu for example |
| 07:50:14 | Hes | and the data files in the tar.gz in the root directory |
| 07:50:42 | LinusN | ok, hang on |
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| 07:55:10 | LinusN | Hes: the fortunes.tar.gz archive seems corrupt |
| 07:55:18 | LinusN | 4k |
| 07:56:56 | Hes | Oops? |
| 07:57:13 | Hes | -rw-r−−r−− 1 hessu hessu 3696 Aug 27 08:48 fortune.c |
| 07:57:13 | Hes | -rw-r−−r−− 1 hessu hessu 3696 Aug 27 08:46 fortunes.tar.gz |
| 07:57:19 | Hes | It contains the .c 8-) |
| 07:57:23 | LinusN | haha |
| 07:57:53 | Hes | -rw-r−−r−− 1 hessu hessu 249563 Aug 27 08:57 fortunes.tar.gz |
| 07:57:55 | Hes | better. |
| 07:59:47 | Hes | I'm driving to the office now, talk to you from there. |
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| 07:59:54 | LinusN | cu hes! |
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| 08:00:03 | LinusN | morning Bagder! |
| 08:00:05 | Bagder | morning crowd |
| 08:00:12 | hardeep | good evening. :) |
| 08:00:23 | hardeep | Hes: if you're still there, it worked for me |
| 08:00:53 | Bagder | LinusN: you saw the ON problem on the rec6 ? |
| 08:01:14 | LinusN | Bagder: yes, read the mailing list |
| 08:01:20 | LinusN | Hes: it didn't work for me |
| 08:01:28 | Bagder | weird it is |
| 08:02:37 | LinusN | hardeep: i had it fail once, but i can't repeat it :-( |
| 08:03:15 | LinusN | i can repeat it by trying to read a cookie when the disk is spinning down |
| 08:03:27 | hardeep | Linus: er, I meant it didn't fail for me |
| 08:03:53 | LinusN | try to read a cookie exactly when it is spinning down |
| 08:04:40 | LinusN | easy as pie |
| 08:06:19 | LinusN | for me |
| 08:06:41 | LinusN | maybe the toshiba disk is different |
| 08:07:41 | hardeep | Hmmm, still trying. I still have the stock hard drive that came with the rec 6 |
| 08:08:05 | LinusN | poor you :-) |
| 08:09:58 | hardeep | Doh, spoke too soon, encountered the problem |
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| 08:10:47 | LinusN | hardeep: and the LED stayed ON? |
| 08:10:52 | hardeep | Yes |
| 08:11:10 | LinusN | ok, so it is a general problem. I'll fire up the debugger |
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| 08:21:00 | MeRWiN- | LinusN: mind giving me some advice on what is going wrong with one of my problems? When I come out of the Player's ID3 Info screen, I know I need to set dont_go_to_menu = true, but no matter what I set menu_button_is_down to it always requires me to press menu twice to get to the menu afterwards |
| 08:22:34 | LinusN | MeRWiN: the key-release state machine is really messy |
| 08:23:19 | MeRWiN- | any clue what the restore variable is in the wps? |
| 08:23:33 | Hes | Here again |
| 08:23:47 | LinusN | it tells it to redraw the screen if it has been changed |
| 08:23:52 | MeRWiN- | ahh |
| 08:24:12 | Hes | Ah, at least i'm not alone now 8-) |
| 08:24:25 | LinusN | Hes: not at all |
| 08:24:36 | Hes | I had a song skip with this morning's build while driving |
| 08:24:42 | Hes | it didn't skip on the desk at home |
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| 08:25:20 | hardeep | Hes: Maybe it was that speed bump you drove over!! :) |
| 08:25:23 | LinusN | not surprising |
| 08:25:46 | Hes | With the old disk and older firmware i had 0 skips while driving! |
| 08:25:53 | Hes | older rockbox, that is |
| 08:25:55 | MeRWiN- | LinusN: fixed my problem :P Apparently i had to set dont_go_to_menu = false to get it to work *shrug* |
| 08:26:06 | LinusN | gah |
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| 08:26:11 | Hes | I drove a couple days straight without any skips. |
| 08:26:14 | LinusN | we really need to work on that |
| 08:26:24 | Hes | This _could_ be a problem with the disk. |
| 08:26:33 | LinusN | i don't think so |
| 08:26:48 | LinusN | well, maybe the toshiba is more shock sensitive |
| 08:27:11 | LinusN | but i don't think your unit is different than mine or zagors |
| 08:27:13 | Hes | Hey, as I don't have a remote, could I wire the serial output to the serial input of the phone plug to get the DEBUGF()'s? |
| 08:27:58 | LinusN | sure, but make sure that you don't short circuit it when the phones are attached |
| 08:28:05 | MeRWiN- | What does "Up to date check failed" mean when dealing with cvs? |
| 08:28:21 | LinusN | that pin will be grounded when they are inserted |
| 08:28:27 | mecraw | Bagder: I have a patch to "improve" the shuffle mode behavior that went in a few weeks ago |
| 08:28:38 | LinusN | Hes: you will still need the serial-in |
| 08:28:51 | Hes | I don't think it is getting any serious shocks while driving, I keep it in the breast pocket of the jacket |
| 08:28:55 | mecraw | Bagder: it also allows resume to be turned on while a playlist is playing |
| 08:28:55 | LinusN | the gdb protocol has ACK's |
| 08:29:09 | Bagder | mecraw: sounds fine! |
| 08:29:21 | Hes | surely less bumps than while walking with the unit on the belt pouch |
| 08:29:42 | Hes | Could i simply make it write the DEBUGF()'s to the serial out in simple ASCII without gdb involved? |
| 08:29:53 | LinusN | Hes: sure |
| 08:30:20 | LinusN | Still, you have to solve the short circuit problem |
| 08:30:28 | Hes | Hmh. |
| 08:31:02 | Hes | Put a resistor in series and hope that the PC's serial port still reads it? 8-) |
| 08:31:18 | LinusN | You will still need a converter |
| 08:32:07 | Hes | It's TTL, right? |
| 08:32:16 | LinusN | 3V |
| 08:32:29 | Hes | oh. |
| 08:33:41 | * | MeRWiN- thinks that we need to get rid of the improper "End of list" message when switching more than one track (pressing right or left like 3 or 4 times). It's really a trivial matter, because it goes away, but still... |
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| 08:33:47 | Hes | Hey, does disabling key lock work for you any more? |
| 08:35:07 | LinusN | works for me |
| 08:35:13 | MeRWiN | me2 |
| 08:35:43 | Bagder | MeRWiN: yes, we've been talking about how to fix the "end of list" problem and I think we're on to a solution |
| 08:35:49 | LinusN | MeRWiN: we are working on the track-change end-of-list problem |
| 08:36:01 | MeRWiN | OK, I wasn't sure if it was being worked on :) |
| 08:36:12 | Bagder | we know exactly why it happens |
| 08:36:26 | Bagder | we just haven't worked out a neato fix yet |
| 08:36:32 | Hes | ahh, it works for me too.. |
| 08:36:44 | rwood | LinusN: standard i2c max scl 100KHz min clk low 4.7uS min clk hi 4.0us - max for my bus monitor & Archos fw seems to follow this |
| 08:37:19 | rwood | LinusN: sorry message out of order - for the record there are 3 flavors of i2c |
| 08:37:38 | rwood | LinusN: fast i2c max scl 400KHz min clk low 1.3uS min clk hi 600 nS - Player/Recorder parts appear to all support this - Rockbox is basically compliant |
| 08:37:51 | rwood | LinusN: High Speed i2c max scl 1.7 to 3.4 MHz depending on bus cap. |
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| 08:38:23 | bobTHC | good morning !!! |
| 08:38:26 | MeRWiN | heya bob |
| 08:38:37 | rwood | LinusN: doesn't appear to be part of the problem i am chasing |
| 08:39:41 | LinusN | rwood: you saw lots of IRQ0? |
| 08:40:01 | rwood | LinusN: yes - rep rate of 14+ us |
| 08:40:24 | LinusN | so we should disable all irq's and their sources |
| 08:40:44 | rwood | LinusN: at least i am getting back to 100 every 14 uS |
| 08:41:11 | LinusN | back to 100? |
| 08:41:46 | rwood | LinusN: interrupt vector location 0x09000100 |
| 08:41:56 | LinusN | aha |
| 08:42:18 | rwood | LinusN: that interrupt is the alarm from the RTC - that is how i got off on the i2c bus |
| 08:42:39 | LinusN | aha, now we're on to something |
| 08:42:44 | rwood | LinusN: i was trying to save the RTC on entry and restore it on reload |
| 08:43:26 | rwood | LinusN: the RTC may be part of the problem, but i was confused by the comparison of archos and rockbox i2c timing |
| 08:43:48 | LinusN | yea, i wonder why they are so slow |
| 08:44:37 | * | Hes gets some coffee and digs into IPv6 DNS reverse zone generation again. |
| 08:45:04 | Bagder | Hes: for rockbox? :-P |
| 08:45:11 | * | Bagder hides |
| 08:45:28 | * | LinusN thinks Bagder needs some coffee too |
| 08:45:38 | Bagder | I do |
| 08:45:40 | Bagder | lots of it |
| 08:45:41 | rwood | LinusN: is SCL a TTL output, if so, doing open-collector via software seems potentially dangerous |
| 08:46:07 | rwood | LinusN: we live with it, archos designed it |
| 08:46:11 | LinusN | rwood: what are you talking about? |
| 08:46:47 | MeRWiN | LinusN: it just happened again... in the middle of a song it went to the next song by itself |
| 08:47:33 | MeRWiN | it's usually nearer to the end of the song |
| 08:47:36 | rwood | LinusN: is there a possibility of a device holding SCL or SDA low while the firmeware is trying to drive the pin hi? |
| 08:47:46 | LinusN | rwood: disable the ALE bit in rtc_init() |
| 08:48:02 | LinusN | rwood: sure, why not? |
| 08:49:07 | rwood | LinusN: isn't the pin driving into a ground in that case? |
| 08:49:34 | LinusN | rwood: it will, yes, but only when we have a bug in our driver |
| 08:49:47 | LinusN | we are the only i2c master |
| 08:50:52 | Hes | Bagder: rockbox doesn't support perl scripting yet 8-) |
| 08:51:10 | LinusN | i know the recorder I2C bus is different |
| 08:51:16 | LinusN | from the player |
| 08:51:23 | rwood | LinusN: or if one of the i2c part failed - cooking an output on the processor wouldn't matter then anyway |
| 08:51:24 | Bagder | darn |
| 08:51:35 | LinusN | the player uses a diode and a pullup to simulate open collector |
| 08:51:53 | LinusN | the recorder probably doesn't |
| 08:52:14 | LinusN | but it still has a pullup, so we can set the pin to input for a weak drive |
| 08:52:42 | LinusN | i hope we do that on the wais states... |
| 08:52:45 | LinusN | wait |
| 08:52:57 | mecraw | Bagder: The patch is on its way, it was my first time dealing with RTC, it works for me :) |
| 08:53:12 | LinusN | when i come to think of it, we don't need a weak drive |
| 08:53:35 | MeRWiN | mee-krob |
| 08:53:50 | LinusN | mecraw: what are you talking about? |
| 08:54:12 | LinusN | perl scripting? :-) |
| 08:54:37 | mecraw | LinusN: a patch to enable toggling resume while playing and to start shuffling from where you left off |
| 08:54:53 | Hes | LinusN: For badger's ipv6 on rockbox... |
| 08:55:20 | Bagder | I think LinusN is getting a subject overload right now ;-) |
| 08:56:57 | mecraw | you guys need coffee and i need to go to bed |
| 08:57:07 | LinusN | mecraw: roger that |
| 08:57:13 | * | LinusN gets some coffee |
| 08:57:19 | * | Bagder obeys and leaves for coffee |
| 08:57:21 | * | mecraw goes to bed |
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| 08:58:11 | MeRWiN- | OK, something definately isn't right... this whole changing tracks by itself in the middle of a song is really happening a fair amount |
| 08:58:53 | Hes | Could we isolate what changed in the code and caused this? |
| 08:59:02 | rwood | LinusN: 2nd topic, I am using a power supply in place of the batteries. |
| 08:59:28 | MeRWiN- | It's actually happening almost every song? |
| 08:59:30 | MeRWiN- | whoah |
| 08:59:42 | rwood | LinusN: with rockbox idle - backlight off the meter reads 0.10 amps |
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| 09:00:18 | rwood | LinusN: with 1.27d idle - backlight off the meter reads 0.09 amps |
| 09:00:19 | LinusN | ok |
| 09:00:39 | Hes | It's actually happening on almost every song, yes ! |
| 09:00:56 | Hes | I told you it was bad 8-) |
| 09:01:14 | MeRWiN- | Hes: what problem are you talking about... same as me? |
| 09:01:50 | rwood | LinusN: has zagor taken any reading to compare the idle current draw in the idle state |
| 09:02:03 | LinusN | i think so |
| 09:02:09 | Hes | Same as you. |
| 09:02:16 | MeRWiN- | Hes: so i'm not going insane? |
| 09:02:25 | Hes | No you're not. Mine is skipping a lot. |
| 09:02:44 | MeRWiN- | usually towards the end of the song? |
| 09:02:54 | Hes | Or middle. |
| 09:03:03 | rwood | LinusN: I don't know what the next digit down is, but it seemed unusual to have much difference when idle |
| 09:03:15 | LinusN | MeRWiN: i think it is when data is loaded, and that differs depending on the bitrate |
| 09:03:31 | LinusN | rwood: i think they sleep, while we don't |
| 09:03:47 | MeRWiN- | the fact that it's not 100% reproducable isn't very re-assuring :) |
| 09:04:02 | rwood | LinusN: ok - i saw the sleep thread last week |
| 09:04:59 | Bagder | I don't think they sleep |
| 09:05:15 | Bagder | they draw too much current when idle |
| 09:07:06 | rwood | it would be interesting to compare the two idle and playing since zagor has his new meter (at least i think it was zagor who got the meter) |
| 09:07:35 | Bagder | he measured the stock firmware to around 80mA on idle, IIRC |
| 09:07:54 | Bagder | while we should now be slightly lower |
| 09:09:24 | rwood | i'm still running pre 1.2 rockbox - my readings may not reflect the current truth |
| 09:09:53 | Bagder | gosh ;-) |
| 09:09:53 | MeRWiN- | rwood: why are you running pre 1.2? |
| 09:10:53 | rwood | MeRWiN: i'm to lazy to put my rolo changes into a new set of code - shouldn't matter for what i'm doing |
| 09:11:26 | MeRWiN- | hehe |
| 09:12:45 | hardeep | Hmmm... I'm not seeing this changing track problem with latest cvs |
| 09:14:20 | Hes | Could it be the fortune code being installed? 8-) |
| 09:14:41 | Bagder | woo new mozilla |
| 09:14:44 | MeRWiN- | hardeep: player or recorder do you have? |
| 09:14:58 | hardeep | MeRWiN: recorder 6 |
| 09:15:05 | MeRWiN- | hardeep: may it be player only? |
| 09:15:11 | hardeep | Hes; let me remove the fortune code and see. :) |
| 09:15:41 | hardeep | Hmmm... Hes, do you have player also? |
| 09:15:45 | Hes | Recorder 20. |
| 09:15:51 | MeRWiN- | I honestly haven't listened to a full song on my rockbox in about 2 weeks |
| 09:15:52 | Hes | With a 40G disk installed. |
| 09:15:58 | MeRWiN- | ok, so it's both player/recorder |
| 09:16:05 | MeRWiN- | so i don't know when this started for me |
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| 09:23:43 | MeRWiN | Is there a Lee Marlow in the house? |
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| 09:24:07 | hardeep | merwin: i think he went to sleep |
| 09:24:16 | merwin | which one is he? |
| 09:24:25 | hardeep | mecraw |
| 09:24:31 | merwin | he needs to be added to the irc list |
| 09:24:40 | Bagder | me fix |
| 09:24:43 | merwin | k |
| 09:26:03 | hardeep | okay, i think i'm finally done with ffw/rew for 1.3. |
| 09:26:16 | hardeep | unless any of you know of other bugs |
| 09:26:32 | merwin | i didn't know ff/rw had anymore buggs? |
| 09:26:42 | merwin | OK, if Enya skips on me i'll be pissed off |
| 09:26:47 | merwin | I love this song :) |
| 09:27:00 | hardeep | enya sang beautifully for me |
| 09:27:06 | merwin | hardeep: ? |
| 09:27:20 | hardeep | heh, one of her songs was just playing. :) |
| 09:27:25 | merwin | hah |
| 09:27:52 | merwin | I never seem to remember how much I like Enya until I hear her... then immediately afterwards i forget |
| 09:28:02 | merwin | SHIT, it skipped |
| 09:28:43 | merwin | If anyone is up for a very confusing read, check out http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html |
| 09:28:44 | merwin | :-) |
| 09:30:30 | * | Bagder runs emacs diff-mode and smiles |
| 09:31:08 | hardeep | merwin: hmmmm, why not make the second line customizable as well? |
| 09:31:24 | Bagder | right |
| 09:31:33 | merwin | hardeep: the second line contains the time, which is updated numerous times per second. It will take a lot of work to harness that power :) |
| 09:31:33 | Bagder | and for recorders, there could be 8 customizable lines... |
| 09:31:43 | merwin | basically rewriting how the time is displayed in the wps |
| 09:32:04 | merwin | Bagder: you can already do the 8 customizable lines in the recorder really... there is an x and y option in the function |
| 09:32:16 | Bagder | neato |
| 09:32:26 | merwin | I just don't want to mess with the recorder since I've never actually used one |
| 09:33:36 | merwin | well, it looks like we have a successful Preview "feature" now! |
| 09:33:48 | merwin | it previews half of the song and skips on. It's a feature, not a bug |
| 09:33:55 | hardeep | laugh |
| 09:35:03 | hardeep | merwin: what's your disk spindown set to? |
| 09:35:16 | merwin | 5 seconds |
| 09:36:43 | merwin | give or take a few milliseconds |
| 09:38:25 | * | merwin thinks that when you have shuffle on and you select a file, that file should become #1 in the playlist |
| 09:38:55 | Bagder | merwin: that is not really not possible |
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| 09:39:14 | Bagder | you must understand our shuffle system to see why |
| 09:39:23 | hardeep | he obviously didn't like that answer.... =) |
| 09:39:42 | merwin | Bagder: can't you just swap the two? |
| 09:39:57 | merwin | it shuffles, and swaps the first one with wherever the fiel that you selected is |
| 09:40:08 | Bagder | in the list in memory just now, sure, but we need the resume to be able to repeat the exact behavior later |
| 09:40:31 | Bagder | and then it gets messy if we start replacing entries after shuffle |
| 09:41:05 | merwin | It's just a huge pet peeve of mine :-) |
| 09:41:20 | Bagder | why does it matter where in the list the selected song ends up? |
| 09:41:31 | Bagder | when you switch off repeat-all in the future you mean? |
| 09:41:44 | merwin | what if you don't have playlist repeat? |
| 09:41:56 | merwin | yeah |
| 09:42:10 | merwin | it could end up as the last song :) |
| 09:42:28 | Bagder | it'll be easier to store a "end entry" separately and use that as end-of-list |
| 09:42:39 | Bagder | when playing dirs |
| 09:43:02 | Bagder | it'll make the same effect |
| 09:44:40 | merwin | that's true. Really, what is seemingly strange to me is that normally when you select random, the track numbers are shown on the display as randomized (ie: track 6 then track 1) so you know that they're random. Our system of randomize is fine, I just need to get used to it i guess |
| 09:45:48 | Bagder | I don't get it, what is the strange part? |
| 09:46:04 | Bagder | that we don't see track numbers? |
| 09:46:29 | Bagder | ah, you see index numbers and they just increase!? |
| 09:46:57 | Bagder | (they're now shown on recorders) |
| 09:47:29 | LinusN | Bagder: not on mine |
| 09:47:42 | merwin | well, normally you have, say, 10 tracks on a cd... on the cd player it would display track 8 as being track 8... with ours, the 5th song in a normal play could be the 200th in shuffle. |
| 09:47:45 | Bagder | what is not on yours? |
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| 09:47:59 | LinusN | i don't see track numbers in my wps |
| 09:48:46 | Bagder | oh, well I guess merwin has more fancy oppptorunities with the custom wps |
| 09:49:18 | Bagder | merwin: I get it now, yes we have no way to tell the original track number after having shuffled |
| 09:49:40 | merwin | yup... it's just mentally throwing me off a bit. |
| 09:49:46 | LinusN | what is most interesting, the index or the track numnber? |
| 09:50:04 | Bagder | I think he means the index in the unshuffled list |
| 09:50:09 | LinusN | i know |
| 09:50:16 | merwin | Bagder: bingo |
| 09:50:18 | LinusN | let me rephrase |
| 09:50:34 | LinusN | what is most interesting, the shiffled or the unshuffled track numnber? |
| 09:50:38 | merwin | God dag! |
| 09:50:52 | merwin | I'd rather have the unshuffled track number |
| 09:50:59 | merwin | it makes it seem more random |
| 09:51:17 | LinusN | many people (including me) like to see how far the list has played |
| 09:51:26 | merwin | my computer is spitting out swedish now |
| 09:51:42 | merwin | LinusN: but in random mode it doesn't really matter, since it can start halfway through the playlist |
| 09:52:00 | LinusN | merwin: no, it always plays the entire list |
| 09:52:15 | LinusN | it doesn't start somewhere in the middle |
| 09:52:19 | LinusN | or does it? |
| 09:52:24 | Bagder | yes it does |
| 09:52:34 | LinusN | that is not good imho |
| 09:52:40 | merwin | LinusN: have shuffle on, go into the dir browser, and select a file. it could come up as number 100 in the playlist starting |
| 09:52:42 | hardeep | Wait, i thought it started at index 0 |
| 09:52:52 | hardeep | of the shuffled list |
| 09:52:55 | Bagder | hardeep: if you play a playlist, yes |
| 09:52:55 | merwin | LinusN: my point exactly :) |
| 09:53:07 | LinusN | now i remember |
| 09:53:14 | Bagder | if you play a dir, it has to do like this |
| 09:53:30 | LinusN | Bagder: no, it doesn't have to |
| 09:53:37 | LinusN | it is just easier like that |
| 09:53:46 | Bagder | and how would a "fix" look like? |
| 09:53:56 | Bagder | rotate the entire list N steps? |
| 09:53:59 | merwin | Sju skצna sjצsjuka sjukskצterskor pו skeppet Shanghai. |
| 09:54:07 | Bagder | and store N when resuming ? |
| 09:54:15 | LinusN | merwin: sex laxar i en laxask |
| 09:54:20 | LinusN | Bagder: possibly |
| 09:54:26 | merwin | I liked the english translation of that one |
| 09:54:39 | merwin | Six waxed salmons in a waxed salmon box |
| 09:54:46 | Bagder | I actually ruled out that kind of drastic ways :-) |
| 09:54:47 | merwin | :-) |
| 09:55:02 | LinusN | Bagder: but you do see the problem? |
| 09:55:11 | Bagder | no, I don't see it as a problem ;-) |
| 09:55:23 | merwin | LinusN: Do you guys teach these tongue twisters to kids? - Sju sjuka sjukskצterskor tvהttade sina skitiga stjהrtar i rosa champagne |
| 09:55:24 | LinusN | if repeat is off it will be silly |
| 09:55:29 | Bagder | why? |
| 09:55:37 | Bagder | yes, if we stop at the end of the list |
| 09:55:40 | Bagder | but we can move the stop-entry |
| 09:55:44 | LinusN | it may start at the last song |
| 09:55:50 | Bagder | which is far esier |
| 09:55:51 | Bagder | easier |
| 09:56:05 | Bagder | so that it starts at N and stops at N-1 |
| 09:56:16 | LinusN | Bagder: that is a good idea |
| 09:56:18 | merwin | Bagder: then it would stop at the starting song, which could be song 100... wrapping around the playlist gets confusing to the end user |
| 09:56:39 | Bagder | I know it makes things slightly more confusing |
| 09:56:46 | LinusN | merwin: playlists always start at the first song |
| 09:56:49 | Bagder | but it makes the internals so much better |
| 09:56:56 | Bagder | this is only for all-dir plays |
| 09:57:39 | merwin | LinusN: yes, but if you're starting with track 100 and ending with track 99, that may be confusing for the end user... it should start with track 1 and end with track 100 |
| 09:57:58 | hardeep | the index could be updated based on the stop entry |
| 09:58:08 | hardeep | so it would start at 1 and end at 100 |
| 09:58:19 | LinusN | merwin: the playlist index should be internal to the playlist code |
| 09:58:26 | Bagder | yes, we could just display a modified index |
| 09:58:49 | merwin | hardeep: interesting idea |
| 09:59:18 | LinusN | Still, it may be interesting to display the unshuffled track index |
| 09:59:23 | LinusN | somehow |
| 09:59:43 | merwin | hmm... hasn't skipped tracks in a while... it seems to go through bad moods or something |
| 09:59:50 | Bagder | LinusN: that would require some funny hacks to get that working |
| 09:59:52 | LinusN | that will probably double the mem usage |
| 09:59:57 | Bagder | yes |
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| 10:00:10 | Bagder | at least 50% up |
| 10:00:15 | Bagder | since we can do with 16bit |
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| 10:01:06 | LinusN | maybe an option that uses the playlist buffer for that, lowering the playlist size limit? |
| 10:01:27 | Bagder | that could be an idea, yes |
| 10:01:42 | LinusN | a fair tradeoff, imho |
| 10:01:43 | Bagder | very low prio in my mind though |
| 10:01:50 | merwin | Although I really like the 400 limit |
| 10:02:09 | merwin | Bagder: it's one of those novelty things |
| 10:02:18 | LinusN | merwin: that is a different limit |
| 10:02:28 | Bagder | LinusN: hey, for dir-plays we can use the playlist buffer |
| 10:02:32 | merwin | oh. heh |
| 10:02:41 | Bagder | I mean already now |
| 10:02:44 | rwood | has there been any thought of nested playlists in some future release? |
| 10:02:46 | LinusN | i'm talking about the 10000 playlist-entries limit |
| 10:03:07 | LinusN | rwood: of course |
| 10:03:16 | Bagder | rwood: there's very little point in nested ones, you can just merge them all into one |
| 10:03:38 | LinusN | Bagder: on dir-play? |
| 10:03:52 | Bagder | nested on dir-play? |
| 10:03:58 | LinusN | maybe i misinterpreted the question? |
| 10:04:10 | LinusN | Bagder: recursive |
| 10:04:32 | Bagder | ah, recursive all-dir would build a temporary playlist and play that |
| 10:04:42 | merwin | I could be up for cutting the 10000 limit in half and store double entries for the display of the true track |
| 10:05:10 | LinusN | merwin: i think that would be the way to go |
| 10:06:07 | Bagder | the track number would fit within 16 bits so you can have the limit at 6666 to get the same memory size |
| 10:06:07 | merwin | I don't know many people who hit the 10000 limit very often |
| 10:06:42 | * | Bagder updated the roadmap on the rockbox front page |
| 10:07:03 | merwin | gotta see this roadmap |
| 10:08:15 | merwin | woo, i'm on 1.4 :-) |
| 10:08:38 | Blaster_Master | Just an sugestion : Is it possible to cache the directory structure or reserve some memory for it, including filenames. would it not speed up directory browsing quite a bit. |
| 10:08:51 | LinusN | Bagder: so file system writes is 1.4? |
| 10:09:06 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: everything is possible |
| 10:09:10 | Bagder | LinusN: that's what we've talked about previously, yes |
| 10:09:19 | Bagder | time will show if we're up to it ;-) |
| 10:09:20 | merwin | Blaster_Master: caching would use up more memory |
| 10:09:23 | LinusN | it just takes memory, and some code to do it |
| 10:10:01 | Hes | 1.3 has mucho better charging than 1.2, maybe could add that |
| 10:10:04 | merwin | Blaster_Master: but with not spinning down the disk during browsing anymore, it goes alot quicker |
| 10:10:50 | Bagder | Hes: true |
| 10:11:44 | merwin | we need to fix the charged voltage for the player... it's definately off. Takes a long while to get below 100% |
| 10:12:11 | LinusN | merwin: different units have different voltages |
| 10:12:28 | LinusN | we should probably adjust the scale though |
| 10:12:51 | merwin | isn't there a variable dependant on player/recorder? |
| 10:13:16 | Hes | It doesn't depend much between player/recorder |
| 10:13:27 | Hes | different batteries matter much more |
| 10:13:40 | Hes | It's way off on my recorder too, but I don't care a lot |
| 10:13:57 | LinusN | it just makes me happy to have 100% all that time :-) |
| 10:14:04 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 10:14:06 | merwin | i'm just using the standard 1500's |
| 10:14:14 | Hes | But yes, it could be adjusted a little, and made smarter (something along the lines suggested by Uwe) |
| 10:14:37 | LinusN | merwin: it also depends on the age and wear of the batteries |
| 10:14:57 | LinusN | the condition |
| 10:15:06 | merwin | we should probably tailor the max towards decently fresh batteries |
| 10:15:21 | LinusN | rwood: have you tried to disable AFE? |
| 10:15:35 | LinusN | merwin: yeah, probably |
| 10:15:50 | merwin | Hes: what was Uwe's opinion on it? |
| 10:16:12 | LinusN | he had a suggestion about a conversion table |
| 10:16:46 | LinusN | to account for the non-linear voltage curve |
| 10:16:54 | merwin | hmm |
| 10:17:09 | merwin | yeah, since it drops quicker as it gets lower |
| 10:18:13 | LinusN | yeah, the user expects the battery meter to show "time left" rather than "voltage left" |
| 10:19:04 | Bagder | right |
| 10:19:23 | Bagder | they would even probably prefer "minutes left" ;-) |
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| 10:19:49 | merwin | that would be a fun feature |
| 10:20:30 | Bagder | I agree |
| 10:20:35 | Hes | At some point I wondered about measuring the average playtime and voltage points in RTC or disk |
| 10:20:47 | Hes | Replacing batteries would mix it up, though |
| 10:21:02 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:21:09 | LinusN | Hes: but it could try to adapt |
| 10:21:14 | Hes | Yes |
| 10:21:26 | merwin | a saved file on disk that performs the measurements and adapts to the specific batteries could work |
| 10:21:32 | merwin | Hes: delete the file |
| 10:21:48 | LinusN | i think it's perfectly acceptable that the time-left prediction fails after replacing the batteries |
| 10:21:55 | merwin | It's the same concept as an ECU in a car.... it adapts to the current condition of the car. If you change those conditions drastically, you just reset it |
| 10:23:39 | rwood | LinusN: yes, i've tried clearing 0xa and restoring the origional value - no change in the hang |
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| 10:24:37 | merwin- | grrr... i hate dialup |
| 10:24:58 | LinusN | rwood: don't restore it, just clear it. |
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| 10:25:33 | rwood | LinusN: I did - first i tried restoring then i tried clearing |
| 10:25:42 | LinusN | ok |
| 10:27:00 | rwood | LinusN: i need to look at the port mode, i/o and data regs at entry and restore them in the correct order on re-load |
| 10:27:58 | LinusN | rwood: try to set all pin modes to input |
| 10:28:37 | LinusN | and general I/O |
| 10:28:55 | LinusN | PACR1/2 = 0 |
| 10:29:00 | LinusN | PBCR1/2 = 0 |
| 10:29:05 | LinusN | PAIOR = 0 |
| 10:29:08 | LinusN | PBIOR = 0 |
| 10:32:09 | Blaster_Master | you are keeping track on the battery status right?, for statistical purpuses ?, why not save the statisticas to a CSV file on disk ? :) then pepole can se cool graphs on their PC ... |
| 10:32:28 | LinusN | Blaster_Master: that would be cool if we could write files on the disk |
| 10:33:03 | Blaster_Master | crap ! the that is not an option :( |
| 10:33:15 | Bagder | not yet anyway |
| 10:33:27 | Hes | And anyway, we can see cool graphs on the rockbox display 8-) |
| 10:34:16 | Bagder | anyone tried the second snake game? |
| 10:35:12 | LinusN | i havent yet |
| 10:35:14 | merwin- | I haven't found a snake game that is as good as Nokia's snake... it's got little subtle differences... like waiting an extra split second when you run into yourself to give yourself a chance to get away |
| 10:35:29 | LinusN | and i feel bad about it because i promised him to test it |
| 10:35:51 | LinusN | the current game is pretty unfair in that respect |
| 10:36:02 | LinusN | it may put a block right before the nose |
| 10:36:06 | merwin- | We could be the first software ever to offer 3 versions of snake :) |
| 10:36:40 | LinusN | or we could combine them to make the BEST version ever |
| 10:36:49 | rwood | LinusN: doesn't work - i think it kills DRAM refresh |
| 10:36:54 | merwin- | that is definately true |
| 10:38:57 | LinusN | rwood: ah, yes. OK, try changing only the IRQ0 pin |
| 10:40:06 | rwood | LinusN: i'll try it, but according to the code, rockbox doesn't change the state of that pin |
| 10:40:24 | rwood | LinusN: that is if everyone is using the #defined names |
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| 10:48:44 | rwood | LinusN: I'll try that tommorrow night - it's 1:50 AM here and I have a customer in for a design session tommorrow - night all |
| 10:49:03 | LinusN | night, rwood! |
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| 11:07:13 | merwin | Do variables declared inside of functions take up memory perminantly? |
| 11:07:18 | merwin | or is it only globals that do? |
| 11:07:38 | langhaarrocker | if loacals are declared static they do |
| 11:08:39 | merwin | but if they aren't, then they only use memory temporarily? |
| 11:08:51 | Bagder | yes, they use the stack for that |
| 11:08:58 | merwin | k |
| 11:09:42 | merwin | someone should port linux to the jukebox :) |
| 11:10:24 | Bagder | sh-linux doesn't run on the sh-1 |
| 11:10:34 | merwin | darn |
| 11:10:39 | langhaarrocker | My demand for a Java VM was first! Que up at the end of the line of demands! |
| 11:10:54 | merwin | haha, java inside of the rockbox |
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| 11:12:39 | Lowfiler | morning @ll |
| 11:13:13 | LinusN | Lowfiler: morning |
| 11:13:24 | merwin | 10wfi1t3r! |
| 11:13:46 | LinusN | merwin: lowfilter? |
| 11:14:02 | merwin | sorry, mispell |
| 11:14:03 | Lowfiler | m38W1N! |
| 11:14:05 | Lowfiler | lol |
| 11:14:09 | merwin | 10wfi13r |
| 11:14:21 | merwin | kinda like the misspell of bagder to badger |
| 11:14:35 | Lowfiler | hehe |
| 11:14:57 | * | Bagder is commonly misspelled |
| 11:14:57 | LinusN | 5i11y w@R3z d00dz! |
| 11:15:11 | merwin | 3y3 y4m 31337!! |
| 11:15:15 | Lowfiler | h4x0rZ |
| 11:15:44 | merwin | :-) |
| 11:15:53 | * | merwin needs sleep... it's 4:15am |
| 11:16:10 | merwin | and I have to work today |
| 11:16:27 | Lowfiler | uhm did you recognize that status bar is broxen :) |
| 11:16:35 | LinusN | broken? |
| 11:16:36 | Lowfiler | lol ok merwin good night :) |
| 11:16:41 | Lowfiler | yes broken sorry |
| 11:17:02 | LinusN | mine works ok |
| 11:17:07 | Lowfiler | huh? |
| 11:17:09 | Lowfiler | wtf |
| 11:17:36 | LinusN | i assume you mean recorder |
| 11:18:04 | Lowfiler | yes |
| 11:18:12 | LinusN | doesn't it show? |
| 11:18:48 | Lowfiler | no status bar anywhere (not in the menu, not while playing and not while browsing) |
| 11:19:03 | LinusN | and when you press F3? |
| 11:19:23 | Lowfiler | its no use |
| 11:19:38 | Lowfiler | doesnt work |
| 11:19:52 | LinusN | weirdo |
| 11:20:07 | Lowfiler | ya strange |
| 11:20:23 | Lowfiler | i compiled the latest cvs this night |
| 11:21:11 | Lowfiler | but i didnt checked out the last 3 changes - but i think it has not been fixed in this changes |
| 11:22:09 | LinusN | Lowfiler: bring up the debug menu |
| 11:22:41 | Lowfiler | and i dont think that it happend by my changes - i will download the daily build and try it again - wait a min |
| 11:22:47 | LinusN | and View/clr RTC RAM |
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| 11:25:21 | Lowfiler | ok status bar has been broken in the daily build too |
| 11:25:48 | Lowfiler | that bug hasnt caused by my own changes |
| 11:25:57 | Lowfiler | one min plz |
| 11:27:15 | Lowfiler | ok |
| 11:27:18 | Lowfiler | RTC Read: |
| 11:27:33 | Lowfiler | what do u want to know :) |
| 11:27:43 | LinusN | contents of byte 22 |
| 11:28:02 | LinusN | 0x22 |
| 11:28:19 | Lowfiler | is not shown |
| 11:28:24 | LinusN | press DOWN |
| 11:28:48 | Lowfiler | ya isnt shown :) |
| 11:28:56 | LinusN | row 0x20 |
| 11:29:05 | Lowfiler | 00010328 |
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| 11:29:24 | LinusN | ok, now go back to the browser and press f3 |
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| 11:30:14 | Bagder | hey Z |
| 11:30:17 | Bagder | tired today? ;-) |
| 11:30:17 | Lowfiler | huh wtf it works |
| 11:30:34 | Lowfiler | strange |
| 11:30:39 | LinusN | Lowfiler: indeed |
| 11:30:46 | Lowfiler | yesterday it had not worked |
| 11:30:57 | Lowfiler | i think i am goin crazy |
| 11:31:07 | LinusN | Lowfiler: and you hadn't made any changes? |
| 11:31:30 | Lowfiler | i made changes - maybe it is because of that |
| 11:31:50 | Zagor | Bagder: nah, moving around a bit at home. swapped the bed and the computer. |
| 11:32:42 | Bagder | Zagor: there's a few minor probs with the site |
| 11:33:04 | LinusN | the content-type is still wrong |
| 11:33:12 | Zagor | Bagder: what? |
| 11:33:13 | Bagder | Zagor: the FAQ doesn't update, the firmware/README is wrong |
| 11:33:19 | Bagder | LinusN: which one? |
| 11:33:30 | LinusN | or maybe not... |
| 11:33:49 | Bagder | windows makes funny tricks on the .mod one |
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| 11:33:59 | LinusN | when i click on the bleeding edge link with my Opera at home it tries to display it |
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| 11:34:08 | LinusN | the ajz |
| 11:34:21 | Bagder | your opera is nuts ;-) |
| 11:34:26 | LinusN | but when i do it at work it works |
| 11:34:29 | Bagder | it sends application/octet-stream |
| 11:34:31 | LinusN | via a proxy |
| 11:35:30 | langhaarrocker | my c knowledge has somewhat faded: |
| 11:35:31 | langhaarrocker | what is the difference when I declare a module variable static or not? |
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| 11:35:40 | Bagder | a module? |
| 11:35:48 | Bagder | you mean a function? |
| 11:36:02 | langhaarrocker | no I mean a normal global variable. |
| 11:36:05 | Bagder | ah |
| 11:36:11 | Bagder | they become file-local |
| 11:36:18 | Zagor | Bagder: the faq updates, it just becomes wrong |
| 11:36:36 | Bagder | Zagor: docs_ isn't in the makefile |
| 11:36:45 | Zagor | it's not supposed to |
| 11:36:53 | Bagder | uh, right |
| 11:36:57 | Zagor | docs/ takes it's input from _docs/ |
| 11:37:02 | Bagder | but why doesn't Q39 show up? |
| 11:37:23 | Zagor | Q39 shows up, but not Q40. I tried remaking it, and it's the same. dunno why. |
| 11:37:38 | LinusN | ok, so the last q is a problem? |
| 11:37:49 | LinusN | maybe a LF issue? |
| 11:38:05 | Zagor | nope |
| 11:38:20 | Zagor | but the FAQ is a msdos text file, was it always? |
| 11:38:38 | Bagder | its a script bug |
| 11:39:50 | matsl | Zagor: Found a bunch of java classes for id3. Picked http://sourceforge.net/projects/jd3lib/ its LGPLed. Shouldn't be any problem!? |
| 11:40:31 | * | Bagder detects java in a sentence and hides |
| 11:40:51 | Zagor | matsl: no problem |
| 11:40:54 | Bagder | Zagor: I fixed the q40 problem in the script |
| 11:41:10 | LinusN | what was it? |
| 11:41:24 | langhaarrocker | What makes Badger dislike Java? |
| 11:41:31 | Bagder | faq2html didn't "flush" the questions at end of file |
| 11:41:56 | Zagor | updated |
| 11:42:02 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: I leave that for another channel and time |
| 11:42:03 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: if you don't know why people dislike Java, you don't want to know the answer... :-) |
| 11:42:56 | langhaarrocker | Ah. I see. The answer is not so much about java as about the people that like java? |
| 11:43:24 | Bagder | "I came to visit your site while I was searching for articles like hacking through C. I am so amazed with your capabilities" |
| 11:43:35 | * | Bagder gets fan mail |
| 11:43:40 | Lowfiler | lol |
| 11:43:45 | Zagor | heh |
| 11:43:52 | Zagor | i'm going to lunch. see you later. |
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| 11:45:09 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: not about the people, it's more about OO and coding style. But let's leave that topic. We don't want language wars. |
| 11:45:09 | matsl | Zagor|lunch: With a 15-line program I can now fill my screen with all id3-tags I ever wanted to know. Now what? Any idea how the database should look like to be useful. |
| 11:45:47 | Lowfiler | huh! jukebox mm 20GB 397 Euros |
| 11:47:05 | Bagder | matsl: it depends on how you want to use it |
| 11:47:34 | Lowfiler | http://www.ble-computer.com/shop/ergebnis.php3?shop=0&ses=K3d6b4a0698952&hst=&gr1=Multimedia&gr2=MP3+Player |
| 11:50:30 | matsl | Bagder: I'm not planning to use it. |
| 11:50:55 | * | Bagder is puzzled |
| 11:52:17 | matsl | Bagder: Don't be. I'm trying to remember some java. Zagor had mentioned in an earlier discussion at the office that a java app could be good, for portability, to do the database. ... |
| 11:52:31 | matsl | ... I'd thought I could start that activity. |
| 11:52:44 | Bagder | aha |
| 11:53:03 | Bagder | but still, there has to exist some ideas on what the database would be used for |
| 11:53:13 | Bagder | seems silly to make a database without a purpose |
| 11:53:20 | LinusN | what database? |
| 11:53:27 | matsl | Good point. |
| 11:53:55 | matsl | A data base with id3-info that could be used instead of browsing the dir I guess. |
| 11:55:20 | bobTHC | build by the player or on pc? |
| 11:55:36 | matsl | build on the pc |
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| 11:57:04 | Bagder | so then, if you start thinking on how that browsing should work, it is easier to consider a wise file format |
| 11:57:13 | Bagder | imho |
| 11:57:32 | matsl|lunch | jupp |
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| 13:28:57 | coutta | Gents, is there something in the .m3u format which allows you to designate that the playlist is to be shuffled ? |
| 13:29:06 | Bagder | no |
| 13:29:18 | Bagder | the .m3u is a very simple and stupid format |
| 13:29:22 | Bagder | plain file names |
| 13:29:42 | coutta | Are there "comments" in .m3u ? |
| 13:30:04 | Bagder | winamp added comments, lines starting with # |
| 13:30:46 | Phil | didn't it store the duration of the songs in those comments? |
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| 13:30:53 | coutta | Could we extend the format for Rockbox to include a shuffle indicator, using something like #rockbox ? |
| 13:30:56 | Bagder | Phil: yes it does |
| 13:31:22 | Bagder | coutta: it would be possible yes, but I fail to see the big advantage |
| 13:32:39 | coutta | I'm lazy. My common usage seems to be going from large shuffled playlists to listening to a complete un-shuffled album |
| 13:33:32 | Bagder | hopefully we'll soon have an easy-access key to toggle shuffle on/off |
| 13:35:09 | coutta | My little programmer mind was mulling over the use of the # indicator in the .m3u, or using an indicator in the name of the .m3u file |
| 13:36:00 | coutta | easy-access key would be good because it's the most common function I use in both Rockbox and the std Archos firmware |
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| 13:49:27 | Snorlax | where can you buy resistors in sweden?!? |
| 13:49:35 | Snorlax | and capacitors? |
| 13:50:00 | Snorlax | have checked elfa.. |
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| 13:54:18 | LinusN | Snorlax: elfa is good, or Farnell |
| 13:54:51 | Hes | LinusN: did you catch the I/O errors in the debugger? |
| 13:55:45 | Zagor | Hes: they're propably just read errors. i'll add a retry soon. |
| 13:56:08 | Zagor | no, sorry, you refer to the read-when-spindown errors |
| 13:56:17 | Zagor | we discussed that during lunch, me and Linus |
| 13:56:32 | Zagor | we need to find a way to know when the disk has spun down |
| 13:56:47 | matsl | I think it is weird that id3->index is used together with playlist.amount in the 1 line id3 view. But it has beein in CVS now for weeks. What am I missing? |
| 13:56:50 | Zagor | apparently, soft_reset() does not "bite" while it is doing the spindown |
| 13:57:42 | Hes | Ok, I see. What about the read errors which cause the intro play feature? |
| 13:58:29 | Zagor | that will most likely be solved with a simple retry |
| 13:58:46 | Hes | Do you have any idea why I have so much of them now? |
| 13:58:58 | Zagor | are you using latest cvs? |
| 13:59:11 | Hes | and merwin too. |
| 13:59:21 | Hes | I built from CVS this morning. |
| 13:59:25 | LinusN | Zagor: it is wait_for_start_of_transfer() that fails |
| 13:59:32 | Zagor | LinusN: ok |
| 13:59:47 | LinusN | that is the only one that can leave the LED on |
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| 14:00:38 | Zagor | right |
| 14:00:46 | Hes | It's like, one song out of then plays completely |
| 14:00:46 | Bagder | hm, shouldn't the docs cvs commits get mailed? |
| 14:00:59 | Hes | out of ten |
| 14:01:18 | Hes | And this is without any serious shaking |
| 14:01:30 | Hes | And I believe I have the same disk as LinusN |
| 14:01:32 | Zagor | Hes: wow, that much? and it became worse since the new sleep code, or since when? |
| 14:01:45 | Hes | It was really bad when I built yesterday too |
| 14:04:56 | LinusN | Hes: i haven't seen that kind problem for ages |
| 14:05:12 | Hes | I will experiment with it more when I have time |
| 14:05:26 | matsl | Anybody: Comment on the id3->index playlist.amount problem? |
| 14:05:46 | LinusN | Hes: put some debug LCD output in mpeg.c |
| 14:06:04 | LinusN | matsl: what prolbem? |
| 14:06:12 | matsl | I think it is weird that id3->index is used together with playlist.amount in the 1 line id3 view. But it has beein in CVS now for weeks. What am I missing? |
| 14:06:35 | Zagor | matsl: isn't it simply trying to make an "index/total" display? |
| 14:06:41 | Bagder | it's the song number, isn't it? |
| 14:06:46 | Hes | LinusN: will do... and ata |
| 14:06:54 | LinusN | Bagder: the shuffled song number |
| 14:06:58 | Bagder | of course |
| 14:06:58 | matsl | yes, but shouldn't it be playlist.index/playlist.amount |
| 14:07:06 | Bagder | no |
| 14:07:13 | Bagder | the playlist doesn't know what plays |
| 14:07:18 | Bagder | the id3->index does |
| 14:07:27 | Zagor | playlist.index can be several tracks ahead of the currently playing |
| 14:07:28 | Bagder | iirc |
| 14:07:34 | LinusN | matsl: there may be many tracks in memory |
| 14:07:51 | matsl | ok. All my id3-indexes seem to be 0 |
| 14:08:04 | Bagder | that is not good |
| 14:08:46 | matsl | So its a problem with my mp3s then. |
| 14:08:55 | LinusN | i don't think so |
| 14:09:17 | Zagor | id3->index is created by playlist.c and assigned by mpeg.c |
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| 14:09:39 | matsl | OK. Then we have a bug. |
| 14:10:00 | Zagor | will you guys stop finding bugs? I want to release... ;-) |
| 14:10:53 | matsl | I'm sorry. I thought id3->was an id3-tag saying what song on the album it was. |
| 14:11:07 | Bagder | id3 is more 'mp3 info' |
| 14:11:12 | matsl | id3->was id3->index was |
| 14:11:33 | Phil | Is there a rough date when the next release is released? |
| 14:11:35 | Bagder | we should rename the variable |
| 14:11:45 | Bagder | Phil: as soon as possible ;-) |
| 14:12:33 | LinusN | matsl: id3->index/playlist.amount shows 1/20 on my 20-file directory play |
| 14:12:44 | matsl | I'll revert to the current version of wps.c and see if I can find the bug. |
| 14:13:09 | Phil | Badger could we wait until tomorrow? |
| 14:13:17 | matsl | LinusN: And when you select song number two? |
| 14:13:25 | LinusN | 2/20 |
| 14:13:26 | Bagder | Phil: we won't release today, and hardly tomorrow |
| 14:13:32 | Bagder | Phil: we still chase down bugs |
| 14:13:48 | matsl | LinusN: Didn't do that for we yesterday |
| 14:13:50 | Phil | Badger: uff. So do I. |
| 14:14:04 | matsl | LinusN: I'll revert and try again. |
| 14:14:31 | Bagder | Zagor: I modified the roadmap on the front page this morning |
| 14:14:41 | Zagor | Bagder: ah |
| 14:14:52 | Bagder | I guess you haven't noticed ;-) |
| 14:14:59 | LinusN | Bagder: change the faq too |
| 14:15:02 | Zagor | nope :-) looks good, though |
| 14:15:14 | Bagder | LinusN: okidoki |
| 14:17:14 | * | Bagder made docs-commits get mailed too |
| 14:18:44 | PsycoXul | damn |
| 14:18:49 | Phil | Bagder: Concerning roadmap V1.5. Next weekend I'll do some investigation and after that I'll decide wether I feel addicted to do an editor for splitting mp3. That'll be hard and deep work but it's a feature I really need and thus someone has to do it. If nobody else does I'll try to. |
| 14:18:50 | PsycoXul | i just made my screen go compleetely blank |
| 14:18:54 | PsycoXul | and it won't come back |
| 14:19:23 | Bagder | Phil: hehe, I don't think you'll face much competition in the race to reach to that feature first ;-) |
| 14:19:38 | PsycoXul | i was in the root dir and had the mp3/m3u filter off and scrolled down towards the end of the list, then i went and turned the filter on, and then it all went screwy heh |
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| 14:19:55 | Zagor | PsycoXul: ah. buuuuugg |
| 14:20:42 | Phil | Badger: Sometimes I crave for competitors winning the race. |
| 14:20:52 | Bagder | :-) |
| 14:21:40 | Phil | Badger: What I intended to say is: You might want to include mp3 splitting to the feature list of 1.5 |
| 14:21:58 | LinusN | Zagor: we must not try to do software reset when the drive is BSY |
| 14:22:36 | Zagor | Phil: no. if you write it, it will be included when it's ready. the roadmap is what we are planning, not including code submitted from others |
| 14:22:37 | LinusN | ata_soft_reset must wait until !BSY before resetting |
| 14:23:04 | Zagor | LinusN: is it BSY while spinning down, you mean? |
| 14:23:16 | Phil | Zagor: The better for me: Doesn't put me into trouble. |
| 14:23:23 | Zagor | Phil: :-) |
| 14:23:40 | LinusN | Zagor: possibly so |
| 14:24:00 | LinusN | I just read about the soft reset |
| 14:26:10 | LinusN | BSY is cleared when the drive has gone to sleep, according to the spec |
| 14:26:17 | Zagor | ok, nice |
| 14:26:20 | Zagor | i'll add it |
| 14:27:10 | LinusN | This command causes the device to set the BSY bit to one, prepare to enter Sleep mode, clear the BSY bit to |
| 14:27:10 | LinusN | zero and assert INTRQ. |
| 14:27:35 | LinusN | The host shall read the Status register in order to clear the interrupt pending and |
| 14:27:35 | LinusN | allow the device to enter Sleep mode. |
| 14:28:16 | LinusN | Because some host systems may not read the Status register and clear the interrupt pending, a device may |
| 14:28:16 | LinusN | automatically release INTRQ and enter Sleep mode after a vendor specific time period of not less than 2 s. |
| 14:28:48 | LinusN | so we should read the status register to avoid an extra 2s sleep delay |
| 14:29:04 | Zagor | yup |
| 14:29:10 | LinusN | You fix? |
| 14:29:14 | Zagor | yep |
| 14:29:19 | LinusN | greatness |
| 14:30:27 | LinusN | that should fix the "fortune cookie bug" |
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| 14:30:49 | LinusN | hallo, Fridolin |
| 14:30:54 | Fridolin | Hi ! |
| 14:31:13 | LinusN | if you have bugs to report, please don't :-) |
| 14:31:41 | Fridolin | ;-) I haven't had the time to play a lot with my rockbox recently... |
| 14:32:00 | LinusN | that must be horrible for you |
| 14:32:19 | matsl | Zagor: Now you'll be happy. I have unfound a bug. |
| 14:32:41 | LinusN | you misplaced it? |
| 14:32:47 | Fridolin | ?! |
| 14:32:50 | matsl | my head yes! |
| 14:33:20 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:33:29 | matsl | id3->index isn't updated in the simulator. I was fooled by that! |
| 14:33:34 | LinusN | haha! |
| 14:33:50 | matsl | It works ok in the real hardware. |
| 14:33:53 | Zagor | ah, nice |
| 14:34:08 | LinusN | simulators, who needs them? :-) |
| 14:34:16 | matsl | So maybe it is abug in the simulator then ;-) |
| 14:34:25 | Bagder | matsl: go fix it! ;-) |
| 14:34:37 | Bagder | the mpeg thread is not simulated (very well) |
| 14:34:47 | matsl | I know. |
| 14:35:07 | matsl | I might look into it. Have some other stuff to do now. cu |
| 14:35:16 | Bagder | bye matsl |
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| 14:36:25 | LinusN | Hes: you should only wrap between words in the cookies |
| 14:39:59 | Hes | LinusN: Yeah, should make showtext.c show from a buffer |
| 14:40:14 | Hes | didn't get around to doing that yet. |
| 14:42:18 | Hes | should be a library-like function for displaying a long piece of text properly wrapped. |
| 14:42:26 | Hes | Either until a key is pressed or with a timeout. |
| 14:42:44 | Hes | (timeout could be overriden with a keypress) |
| 14:43:08 | Bagder | you should make it just a function that prints with word wrap |
| 14:43:11 | Zagor | LinusN: we already do this... |
| 14:43:16 | Bagder | the waiting for keys could be made separately |
| 14:44:32 | LinusN | Zagor: i saw a wrap in the middle of a 3 letter word |
| 14:44:50 | Zagor | i'm talking about waiting for BSY after SLEEP |
| 14:45:28 | LinusN | oh |
| 14:46:17 | LinusN | but do we read STATUS? |
| 14:46:27 | LinusN | and not ALT_STATUS |
| 14:47:08 | Zagor | no, but the point is we aren't leaving until BSY is off |
| 14:47:23 | LinusN | true |
| 14:47:58 | Zagor | but, yeah, I'll test with a "real" STATUS read |
| 14:48:39 | LinusN | still, ata_soft_reset() should wait for !BSY before resetting |
| 14:48:52 | Zagor | yep |
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| 15:09:37 | manitee | hi folks |
| 15:09:44 | Bagder | hi |
| 15:10:04 | LinusN | manitee: hi |
| 15:10:32 | manitee | can I ask a question about bug 588867, the mp3 skipping due to read error one? |
| 15:10:45 | LinusN | shoot |
| 15:10:51 | manitee | whats the deal with it heh |
| 15:11:06 | LinusN | manitee: do you get it when the unit is still? |
| 15:11:09 | manitee | just wondering if you decided that it was actually do to file inconsistancies? |
| 15:11:16 | manitee | yes Lin I do |
| 15:11:22 | LinusN | strange |
| 15:11:36 | manitee | (thanks for the great software BTW - its very nice) |
| 15:11:40 | Bagder | I think the sleep stuff has introduced this |
| 15:11:53 | Bagder | but I can't explain how |
| 15:12:04 | manitee | is the sleep stuff in the daily builds now? |
| 15:12:12 | Bagder | ATA_SLEEP yes |
| 15:12:18 | manitee | oh HD spindown |
| 15:13:05 | LinusN | not sure though |
| 15:13:13 | LinusN | it works great for me |
| 15:13:24 | LinusN | no skips |
| 15:13:26 | manitee | huh maybe im unlucky - or have bad quality mp3's |
| 15:13:35 | LinusN | no, you're not alone |
| 15:13:37 | manitee | it's not every song, in fact it seems to be the same songs |
| 15:13:44 | LinusN | same songs? |
| 15:13:50 | manitee | yeah i just thought of that |
| 15:13:59 | manitee | same song, same place even |
| 15:14:10 | manitee | duh can't believe i didnt think of that before |
| 15:14:12 | LinusN | ...? |
| 15:14:27 | manitee | but the mp3 is fine in the archos firmware or other players |
| 15:14:39 | manitee | no skips or distortions through that portion |
| 15:14:44 | LinusN | does it skip to the next song? |
| 15:14:47 | manitee | yes |
| 15:14:58 | LinusN | this is interesting |
| 15:15:07 | manitee | i can send you the mp3 if you like |
| 15:15:14 | LinusN | what rockbox version? |
| 15:15:15 | manitee | not sure if that would help |
| 15:15:38 | manitee | hardware? studio 20 - Rom? 5.08 |
| 15:15:47 | LinusN | no, rockbox |
| 15:16:01 | manitee | oh sorry heh - 8/26 daily build |
| 15:16:31 | LinusN | ok, send me the file, linus at haxx.se |
| 15:16:47 | manitee | pulling from archos now |
| 15:16:47 | LinusN | or can you publich it on HTTP? |
| 15:16:56 | manitee | yes i can one moment |
| 15:17:03 | LinusN | great |
| 15:17:11 | * | LinusN has a theory |
| 15:17:35 | manitee | whats that |
| 15:17:51 | LinusN | that it has to do with the track change detection |
| 15:18:40 | manitee | uploading file to web server - just a moment |
| 15:18:55 | adi|home | howdy all... |
| 15:18:58 | adi|home | i miss much? |
| 15:19:03 | LinusN | adi|home: howdy |
| 15:19:10 | LinusN | yes you did |
| 15:19:15 | LinusN | and we'll never tell you |
| 15:19:21 | * | Bagder doesn't tell |
| 15:19:28 | adi|home | lol |
| 15:19:35 | adi|home | too late.. ill scroll back!!! |
| 15:19:38 | * | adi|home cackles evilly |
| 15:19:50 | * | Bagder sends his scrollback destroying droids over to adi |
| 15:19:56 | LinusN | rm irc/log* |
| 15:20:05 | adi|home | lol |
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| 15:20:38 | manitee | sorry lin this is taking a few mins |
| 15:20:43 | alphawave | hi |
| 15:20:46 | LinusN | manitee: i have time |
| 15:20:49 | Bagder | hi alphawave |
| 15:20:50 | LinusN | alphawave: hi |
| 15:21:19 | adi|home | ummm Bagder .. the last FAQ commit you made |
| 15:21:27 | adi|home | there were no changes... so like.. umm.. what? |
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| 15:21:46 | Bagder | adi|home: there was, but the mail's diff hides whitespace-only changes |
| 15:21:56 | adi|home | no.. look at the cvs diff |
| 15:22:04 | adi|home | and i did a cvs diff from what i last had last night |
| 15:22:06 | adi|home | and no change |
| 15:22:17 | Bagder | hehe |
| 15:22:30 | adi|home | else.. what was the change? |
| 15:22:39 | LinusN | why did CVS accept that commit? |
| 15:22:58 | Bagder | because there were changes |
| 15:23:06 | LinusN | or why doesn't it show the diff correctly? |
| 15:23:06 | Bagder | I removed three spaces |
| 15:23:12 | adi|home | from where? |
| 15:23:15 | adi|home | what line? |
| 15:23:18 | LinusN | the file :-) |
| 15:23:21 | Bagder | from the roadmap "table" |
| 15:23:35 | Bagder | line 159 and line 162 |
| 15:23:41 | elinenbe | not really a bug, but an annoyance... when you fast forward or rewind on the recorder, the status bar (bar at the bottom) moves to the new location, then jumps back, and then jumps forward to the place you fast forwarded or rewound to. |
| 15:23:54 | * | adi|home shrugs... |
| 15:23:54 | adi|home | okay |
| 15:24:13 | Zagor | elinenbe: yes, that's because we don't really know when the disk is busy spinning instead of reading |
| 15:24:19 | Bagder | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rockbox/docs/FAQ.diff?r1=1.16&r2=1.17&diff_format=u |
| 15:24:24 | Bagder | that shows the diff |
| 15:24:42 | Bagder | that colored things is for weenies |
| 15:24:43 | adi|home | is that why the new line additions weren't taking before? |
| 15:24:44 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 15:24:46 | adi|home | because they are now.. |
| 15:24:54 | elinenbe | Zagor: so would a fix even be possible? |
| 15:25:00 | alphawave | just curious, since the 2 middle lines on the layer are bitmap, can games be played? |
| 15:25:02 | LinusN | elinenbe and Zagor: when does this happen? |
| 15:25:09 | alphawave | *player |
| 15:25:09 | Zagor | elinenbe: everything is possible :-) |
| 15:25:17 | adi|home | not true :) |
| 15:25:23 | adi|home | not _everything_ |
| 15:25:24 | Zagor | LinusN: when searching in a track with the disk still |
| 15:25:25 | LinusN | alphawave: they are not bitmapped |
| 15:25:25 | adi|home | ;) |
| 15:25:42 | alphawave | what? |
| 15:25:44 | adi|home | alpha.. check the FAQ.. #39/40 |
| 15:25:45 | adi|home | :) |
| 15:25:57 | LinusN | Zagor: i can't see it |
| 15:26:10 | elinenbe | LinusN: whenever you fast forward or rewind on a song −− try going ahead or behind 45 seconds or a minute or so... |
| 15:26:26 | elinenbe | LinusN: and look at the status bar on the bottom... |
| 15:26:35 | LinusN | ah, now i see it |
| 15:26:52 | elinenbe | from funmp3players.com forum : |
| 15:26:53 | elinenbe | I tried Rockbox yesterday for the first time (daily build). I like the 2-like ID3 tag display. However, it is sort of frustrating that the 2nd line scrolls but the top does not. |
| 15:26:53 | * | adi|home points out htat he added questions 39/40 last night.. so anyone not seeing them previous are not at fault |
| 15:26:53 | elinenbe | Personally, I like the option I have on my AudioTron - which is where you choose if the line will scroll ONCE, ALWAYS, NEVER... and I use the "Once" option. |
| 15:27:40 | adi|home | oh.. btw.. i CANT WAIT for disk writing... |
| 15:27:50 | Zagor | elinenbe: all this will be configurable soon |
| 15:27:53 | adi|home | having to hand edit files that are chopped is killing me :) |
| 15:28:16 | elinenbe | Zagor: that is just a request from a user... I think it is a nice idea too though. |
| 15:28:46 | * | Bagder votes that the id3v2 question is added to get FAQ |
| 15:29:02 | alphawave | humm ok |
| 15:29:39 | adi|home | okay.. what was the question :) |
| 15:29:56 | * | adi|home hasn't paid attentiong ot that thread on the mailing list |
| 15:30:06 | Bagder | adi|home: why rockbox doesn't find their id3v2 tags |
| 15:30:14 | Bagder | see my reply just posted |
| 15:30:43 | LinusN | "soap opera" :-) |
| 15:31:19 | adi|home | okay... |
| 15:31:45 | adi|home | Bagder.. in my emacs.. my 'delete' key is now acting like backspace instead of delete... any idea what happend? |
| 15:31:52 | manitee | hey linus you still here? |
| 15:31:57 | LinusN | manitee: sure |
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| 15:32:03 | manitee | here it goes: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ils_eq/files/Gza%20-%20Breaker%20Breaker.mp3 |
| 15:32:15 | manitee | it skips in like the last 15 seconds of the song |
| 15:32:29 | alphawave | can thetags be read in one like this "songtitle" by artist |
| 15:32:43 | Bagder | adi|home: hehe my delete key always do that, I use ctrl-d ;-) |
| 15:32:50 | manitee | gak emacs! splort |
| 15:32:57 | LinusN | manitee: i am not a member of that group |
| 15:33:03 | manitee | i think you need to install vi |
| 15:33:07 | alphawave | im saving for a 17' imac! |
| 15:33:08 | manitee | oops lin one sec - my mistake |
| 15:33:46 | elinenbe | check out this matrix comparison of various players... check out the battery life under the archos! |
| 15:33:46 | elinenbe | http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/mymamboxjb/ |
| 15:34:06 | manitee | there you go - sorry bout that, my home machine's ftp server is botched ATM so i had to host it at yahoo :/ |
| 15:34:32 | Bagder | "In terms of battery drain, for how long would my R20 have to be |
| 15:34:32 | Bagder | paused before it became more economical to switch it off? Is it 1 minute, 5 minutes, 1 hour, 5 hours? " |
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| 15:34:39 | Bagder | that's a battery-faq |
| 15:34:41 | manitee | thats not right |
| 15:34:58 | manitee | thats not right ( the matrix saying 4 hours i mean ) |
| 15:35:18 | adi|home | its already there ;) |
| 15:35:22 | LinusN | manitee: no go |
| 15:35:26 | Bagder | adi|home: ah, hehe |
| 15:35:35 | manitee | dang |
| 15:35:36 | adi|home | question 12 :) |
| 15:35:38 | adi|home | hehehe |
| 15:35:43 | manitee | trying alternate plan - sorry |
| 15:35:51 | * | adi|home puffs out his chest at his already up to date faqs ;) |
| 15:36:04 | adi|home | and im considering reorganizing the main FAQ |
| 15:36:09 | adi|home | its a bit random right now |
| 15:36:13 | alphawave | 4 hours? |
| 15:36:16 | Zagor | elinenbe: well the site is called "my mambo x" so it's obviously designed to make the Mambo look best |
| 15:36:18 | alphawave | whats with that |
| 15:36:35 | alphawave | stuiped as people |
| 15:36:51 | manitee | sorry lin go to http://www.moresoda.com/temp/ and grab the mp3 |
| 15:36:58 | manitee | got home machine up |
| 15:37:15 | manitee | going to be kinda slow - cable modem upload is throttled to like 10k |
| 15:37:28 | LinusN | "Driver required for all OS" |
| 15:37:48 | adi|home | i still say that the ipod has the nicest interface of any unit ive seen yet... |
| 15:37:50 | Zagor | it's so clueless, the whole thing |
| 15:38:05 | adi|home | the comparison page Zagor? |
| 15:38:06 | alphawave | i know can the archos firmwar do that? |
| 15:38:10 | Bagder | the transfer rate is fine too ;-) |
| 15:38:15 | manitee | the ipod is hard to beat |
| 15:38:35 | Zagor | nah, the ipod is very easy to beat. archos is a harddisk, iPod is not. |
| 15:38:38 | alphawave | i would have gotten one but i cant afford it |
| 15:38:46 | Zagor | we can do whatever we like, iPod owners can not. |
| 15:38:51 | manitee | let me rephrase: the ipod UI and GUI is hard to beat |
| 15:39:07 | Zagor | ah. well grab the best bits and we'll use them. |
| 15:39:15 | manitee | the design and packaging is very clever and clean |
| 15:39:29 | manitee | dont get we wrong, you'll notice I happily own an archos |
| 15:39:40 | alphawave | hey zagor have you seen the light mod here http://www.mctubster.com |
| 15:39:50 | Zagor | the horrible horrible proprietary 1394 interface is reason #1 i would never even think of getting an iPod |
| 15:39:59 | Zagor | alphawave: yes |
| 15:40:24 | manitee | *shrug* I like the job dial |
| 15:40:27 | manitee | JOG dial |
| 15:40:36 | _seb_ | yeah, and the ipod actually is a hard disk |
| 15:40:39 | _seb_ | you can copy files to it |
| 15:40:49 | alphawave | but not in explorer |
| 15:40:50 | elinenbe | nice little icons on the mambox though: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/mymamboxjb/PlaybackScreen.jpg |
| 15:40:54 | _seb_ | alphawave: true |
| 15:40:57 | _seb_ | in mac tho |
| 15:40:58 | LinusN | _seb_: any file, or just audio files? |
| 15:41:02 | _seb_ | LinusN: any file |
| 15:41:09 | manitee | didnt know that |
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| 15:41:14 | _seb_ | yeah |
| 15:41:21 | _seb_ | of course for windows you need specialized software |
| 15:41:28 | Zagor | _seb_: so it shows up on your mac desktop like any other harddisk? |
| 15:41:30 | adi|home | would it make sense to start adding more of those links to the website? |
| 15:41:33 | _seb_ | Zagor: yes |
| 15:41:35 | alphawave | it is a hard rive but you cant use it like a hard drive that what i like about archos |
| 15:41:36 | adi|home | for archos modding etc? |
| 15:41:39 | elinenbe | and I like the treeview showing folder depth: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/mymamboxjb/front1.jpg |
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| 15:41:49 | Zagor | _seb_: ok, i was misinformed then. |
| 15:42:01 | _seb_ | no prob |
| 15:42:18 | _seb_ | i got an archos anyway, i don't have enough money for an ipod, and it doesn't have a lot of space |
| 15:42:37 | adi|home | see.. i don't like that dir. display.. its a waste of precious space to me |
| 15:42:41 | Zagor | elinenbe: I always wonder why they never show anything but the second level... |
| 15:42:42 | alphawave | they no have the 20 gig you know |
| 15:42:45 | alphawave | *now |
| 15:42:48 | _seb_ | yeah, but it's so expensive |
| 15:42:56 | alphawave | yea 500$ |
| 15:43:09 | _seb_ | that's ridiculous |
| 15:43:28 | alphawave | yeah get the 20 gig archos for 300$ |
| 15:43:37 | _seb_ | exactly |
| 15:43:54 | alphawave | or the recorder for 500$ i think |
| 15:44:32 | adi|home | recorder 20 gig goes for 350$ |
| 15:44:33 | _seb_ | i think the recorder is only $320 |
| 15:44:42 | _seb_ | yeah, it's barely more expensive than the player |
| 15:44:42 | alphawave | what? |
| 15:45:10 | alphawave | i bought my 5 gig player(icouldn't aford a better one) for 25$ |
| 15:45:19 | alphawave | *250 |
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| 15:48:28 | manitee | were you able to get the file Lin? |
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| 15:49:19 | shampoo | Hi |
| 15:49:22 | alphawave | hi |
| 15:49:25 | manitee | the studio20 is $250 right now in my area |
| 15:49:31 | alphawave | wow |
| 15:49:40 | manitee | yeah just got it friday |
| 15:49:52 | alphawave | i would have never thought of my 5 gig is i had that prise |
| 15:49:55 | LinusN | hi shampoo |
| 15:49:57 | shampoo | I am sure this is an FAQ but I am running v1.2 and there is major distortion on my juke6k.. has this been fixed ? |
| 15:50:05 | alphawave | yes |
| 15:50:11 | alphawave | get a daily build |
| 15:50:12 | LinusN | yes, please try the latest build |
| 15:50:14 | Zagor | shampoo: please try latest daily build. we think it has been fixed. |
| 15:50:31 | LinusN | (masive response there) :-) |
| 15:50:35 | manitee | heh |
| 15:50:37 | alphawave | lol |
| 15:50:37 | shampoo | alright.. I'll grab it |
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| 15:50:44 | adi|home | did anyone mention try the daily build? |
| 15:50:46 | * | adi|home smirks |
| 15:50:48 | shampoo | i forgot my USB cable at home grrrr |
| 15:50:50 | alphawave | yes |
| 15:50:53 | alphawave | lol |
| 15:50:56 | Phil | I think this were FAs (requenly answers) |
| 15:50:56 | adi|home | okay Bagder you slave driver... FAQ updated :) |
| 15:50:57 | elinenbe | I just wanted to tell share some info with you all that I have not mentioned yet: when I used to plug my recorder 6k into the power in my car there was an AWFUL buzzing background noise (very loud) with the archos firmware, but with the jukebox it is no longer there... |
| 15:51:05 | alphawave | that happens alot to me |
| 15:51:09 | Bagder | nice adi |
| 15:51:16 | alphawave | that happens |
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| 15:51:36 | Zagor | elinenbe: interesting! |
| 15:51:50 | alphawave | brb 1sec |
| 15:51:57 | LinusN | manitee: where in the song does it skip? |
| 15:52:08 | manitee | in the last 15 seconds lin |
| 15:52:12 | * | adi|home screams softly |
| 15:52:26 | LinusN | ok |
| 15:52:36 | manitee | Linus: did it do it for you? |
| 15:52:41 | LinusN | i'll have to go in a few minutes... |
| 15:52:48 | LinusN | i'm at 1:20 |
| 15:53:12 | adi|home | Bagder or LinusN could you please fix http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual-1.2/rec-general.html |
| 15:53:17 | adi|home | you forgot the footer again |
| 15:53:24 | adi|home | and manual-1.2 is not in the cvs |
| 15:53:39 | Zagor | it's not supposed to be |
| 15:53:43 | alphawave | darn 1:20? |
| 15:53:52 | alphawave | its 8:53 here |
| 15:53:55 | Zagor | manual-X.Y is a snapshot of the manual for the last release |
| 15:54:01 | adi|home | nods |
| 15:54:02 | LinusN | 1 minute 20 secs into the song |
| 15:54:06 | adi|home | but i keep updating those files |
| 15:54:06 | manitee | ba ha! |
| 15:54:10 | adi|home | and they don't actually update |
| 15:54:14 | adi|home | ie... |
| 15:54:15 | alphawave | i had that befor |
| 15:54:17 | adi|home | rec-general.html |
| 15:54:26 | alphawave | i defragmented and it worked then |
| 15:54:29 | Zagor | adi|home: that's because 1.2 doesn't change. go to manual/ instead... |
| 15:54:34 | adi|home | sighs |
| 15:54:37 | adi|home | okay |
| 15:54:39 | LinusN | didn't i add balance control? |
| 15:54:45 | Zagor | LinusN: you did |
| 15:54:50 | * | LinusN is reading the feature request |
| 15:55:04 | adi|home | then why do we have the 'snapshot' then? |
| 15:55:14 | LinusN | manitee: worked for me |
| 15:55:15 | LinusN | :-( |
| 15:55:17 | * | alphawave says ahh how long untill 1.9? |
| 15:55:17 | manitee | sheesh |
| 15:55:39 | Bagder | 1.9? |
| 15:55:41 | bobTHC | alphawave : heheh |
| 15:55:43 | LinusN | alphawave: defragmentation solved it? |
| 15:55:49 | alphawave | yes |
| 15:56:00 | alphawave | skiped at 1:20 every time |
| 15:56:05 | alphawave | that fixed |
| 15:56:07 | alphawave | it |
| 15:56:10 | LinusN | not good. looks like we have a FAT driver bug then |
| 15:56:19 | Zagor | adi|home: because people will be confused to see features in the manual that are not available in their firmware |
| 15:56:25 | alphawave | for some reason also my hd would spi for a wile |
| 15:56:28 | adi|home | guys.. have we given any thought to if ".rockbox" is a pre or post 1.3 addition? |
| 15:56:34 | adi|home | got ya zagor.. |
| 15:56:38 | LinusN | post |
| 15:56:39 | Bagder | I think post |
| 15:56:44 | Zagor | post, definitely |
| 15:56:48 | manitee | sub-modules? |
| 15:56:52 | Zagor | 1.3 doesn't have anything that uses .rockbox |
| 15:57:06 | adi|home | then we need a way to garuntee that foot.t and head.t are on the files before they are posted |
| 15:57:07 | elinenbe | configurable WPS could use .rockbox |
| 15:57:15 | Zagor | elinenbe: it's not in 1.3 |
| 15:57:25 | adi|home | nods |
| 15:57:26 | adi|home | okay... |
| 15:57:46 | LinusN | time to go home |
| 15:57:52 | * | adi|home waves |
| 15:57:57 | manitee | Linus: I'll defrag and see if that solves |
| 15:58:02 | LinusN | manitee: good |
| 15:58:04 | LinusN | by all! |
| 15:58:08 | Bagder | bye LinusN |
| 15:58:09 | manitee | bye Linus |
| 15:58:11 | alphawave | bye |
| 15:58:12 | Zagor | oh, the power numbers in the battery faq are wrong. they are too high. |
| 15:58:17 | | Part LinusN |
| 15:58:27 | elinenbe | a good idea here: similar to how the backlight time works, make the drive timeout work like that 1,2,3,...9,10,15,30,60,90,120,240,480,never... |
| 15:58:35 | * | Bagder sends the FAQ gnomes on Zagor |
| 15:58:50 | alphawave | has the disk spindown min been moved yet? |
| 15:59:04 | Zagor | unfortunately, my cheap multimeter doesn't measure this accurately enough :-( |
| 15:59:19 | Zagor | alphawave: ? |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:05 | alphawave | the minimum disk spindown time |
| 16:00:16 | Zagor | alphawave: what do you mean moved? |
| 16:00:35 | alphawave | yes everytime i move it below4 secs it will never load |
| 16:00:48 | alphawave | a song |
| 16:00:48 | Zagor | so don't do that |
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| 16:03:35 | manitee | ok im gone for now - talk to you all later |
| 16:03:39 | Zagor | bye |
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| 16:05:35 | alphawave | on my win me puter, all rockbox versions are 51,210 bytes and on my win xp it differs every time |
| 16:05:44 | alphawave | why is this? |
| 16:08:46 | Bagder | windows needs no reason ;-) |
| 16:09:25 | alphawave | humm k |
| 16:10:01 | alphawave | would it be possible to record from line in on the player? |
| 16:10:07 | Bagder | no |
| 16:10:07 | Zagor | no |
| 16:10:19 | alphawave | owell |
| 16:10:38 | Phil | another FA (frequent answer)? |
| 16:11:01 | Zagor | :-) yes |
| 16:11:17 | adi|home | you want that in the FAQ? |
| 16:12:06 | | Join matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) |
| 16:12:14 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:12:20 | Phil | I wouldn't read faqs anyway :) |
| 16:12:40 | adi|home | okay |
| 16:12:41 | Bagder | it is useful to point to instead of trying to write your own answer |
| 16:12:48 | adi|home | thats fine phil... |
| 16:12:54 | adi|home | we'll just ignore you the same ;) |
| 16:13:37 | Bagder | Zagor: what about making PROPFONTS default right this minute? ;-) |
| 16:13:49 | Zagor | excellent idea :-) |
| 16:14:01 | alphawave | profonts? |
| 16:14:20 | Phil | profits? |
| 16:14:25 | Zagor | Bagder: the question is, do we simply change configure or something else? |
| 16:14:39 | Bagder | good q |
| 16:14:53 | alphawave | proponts i mean what is? |
| 16:15:02 | Zagor | proportional fonts, on the recorder |
| 16:15:04 | Phil | proportional fonts |
| 16:15:10 | alphawave | oic |
| 16:15:26 | Bagder | Zagor: I think we can change configure only |
| 16:15:41 | Bagder | and then when it proves to work fine we can remove all the old code and the define |
| 16:16:32 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:16:35 | alphawave | what are the chances of the buffer mod on the site? |
| 16:16:52 | Bagder | buffer mod? |
| 16:16:53 | Zagor | what is the buffer mod? |
| 16:17:18 | alphawave | if you look at the feature requestes, someone wanted a buffer mod |
| 16:17:35 | alphawave | instead of 2 mb's 8 mb's |
| 16:17:39 | Bagder | ah |
| 16:17:43 | Bagder | forget that ;-) |
| 16:17:46 | Zagor | well someone was looking at it a week or so ago. not sure it came to anything. |
| 16:18:09 | Bagder | adi|home: very good a44 ;-) |
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| 16:21:19 | alphawave | that would be a great mod though ave battry life to! |
| 16:21:44 | Bagder | yes, and if santa existed in real life it would be really cool too B-P |
| 16:21:52 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 16:21:58 | * | alphawave laughs |
| 16:22:01 | Zagor | what is the ipod battery life? (real, not adveritsed) |
| 16:22:08 | alphawave | not sure |
| 16:22:31 | Phil | I'd prefer a real studio quality stereo mic preamp over more buffer. |
| 16:23:11 | alphawave | yeah for you recorder users |
| 16:24:20 | Zagor | Phil: use an external mic. the internal will always be plagued by harddrive noise |
| 16:24:54 | Phil | yes |
| 16:25:52 | adi|home | hehehe |
| 16:26:07 | Zagor | i have to run. see you later! |
| 16:26:10 | | Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|out (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 16:26:11 | adi|home | i try Bagder |
| 16:26:28 | alphawave | the player user feel left out with all the recorder crap >:( |
| 16:27:34 | Phil | don't cry: you have configurable wps. |
| 16:28:40 | Phil | And if you're really in need for some harddrive noise I could send you an mp3 file .... ;) |
| 16:29:21 | alphawave | heh :\ |
| 16:30:57 | alphawave | when is apple gonna make a recorder ipod? |
| 16:31:34 | Phil | Do you want to port rockbox -> ipod? |
| 16:32:19 | Blaster_Master | how portable is the rockbox code? it´s written in C, right ?? |
| 16:32:23 | alphawave | lol *yes* |
| 16:32:44 | Phil | I told you to make a VM and use Java! |
| 16:33:41 | Bagder | Blaster_Master: most is C, yes, but it is very fat32, SH and MAS specific |
| 16:34:11 | Bagder | porting it to other players would need fixing the drivers |
| 16:34:58 | Blaster_Master | yes, the hardware specific stuff defenitly has to be rewritten to fit new hardware :) if its ever tryed... |
| 16:35:43 | Bagder | adi|home: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/message/12193 |
| 16:35:46 | Bagder | hehe |
| 16:36:55 | alphawave | im signing up to win a ipod heh *lol* |
| 16:37:05 | Bagder | traitor! ;-) |
| 16:37:31 | alphawave | can you make a rockbox version so you can use the new tfs partition? |
| 16:37:38 | alphawave | *ntfs |
| 16:37:45 | alphawave | partition |
| 16:37:55 | Bagder | you can format it to use any fs you want |
| 16:38:05 | Bagder | but rockbox won't understand it ;-) |
| 16:38:05 | alphawave | it will still work? |
| 16:38:16 | alphawave | o |
| 16:38:57 | alphawave | be back later its breakfast time! |
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| 16:40:49 | * | Blaster_Master zaps away |
| 16:40:53 | | Quit Blaster_Master () |
| 16:59:18 | | Join alphawave [0] (alphawave@208-149-64-40.ppp.nexband.com) |
| 16:59:28 | alphawave | im back |
| 17:00 |
| 17:01:36 | alphawave | i'm gonna get my archos and get the "bleeding edge" build |
| 17:04:51 | | Join shampoo [0] (~shampoo@MTL-HSE-ppp173864.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 17:04:54 | shampoo | Hi |
| 17:05:15 | shampoo | I just wanted to say that last night's build fixes the sound distortion problem perfectly.. thanks |
| 17:05:21 | Bagder | time to go home |
| 17:05:25 | | Part Bagder |
| 17:06:16 | alphawave | good! |
| 17:06:52 | shampoo | is there a shortcut to the volume ? |
| 17:07:01 | alphawave | not yet |
| 17:08:40 | alphawave | but don't you have headfones with a volume control? |
| 17:09:19 | shampoo | yeah |
| 17:09:22 | shampoo | so it will do |
| 17:09:32 | shampoo | the sound is quite good I must say.. |
| 17:09:48 | shampoo | i'll have to take a look at the code |
| 17:10:25 | alphawave | what is a good free irc client i'm using mirc right now and my free trial is almost over |
| 17:10:36 | shampoo | for windows ? |
| 17:10:38 | alphawave | also need it for windows |
| 17:10:41 | pimlottc | chatzilla is not bad |
| 17:10:51 | pimlottc | a bit lightweight though but for casual use it's fine |
| 17:10:54 | alphawave | ill look now |
| 17:10:59 | shampoo | if you are using linux BitchX is the way to go |
| 17:11:03 | alphawave | i dont want a gui |
| 17:11:12 | | Join speedmerchant [0] (speedmerch@vpooley.fsnet.co.uk) |
| 17:11:16 | | Quit shampoo ("shampoo has no reason") |
| 17:11:23 | alphawave | plain text is good for me! |
| 17:11:53 | pimlottc | irssi is also good under linux |
| 17:12:11 | speedmerchant | I'm having a problem with my rockbox on my JB6000 can anyone give a quick tip? |
| 17:12:31 | alphawave | yes |
| 17:12:42 | alphawave | shoot! |
| 17:13:52 | speedmerchant | it's yesterdays CVS....I've tried deleting it from the JB but when powering up again it comes back (it's yesterdays CVS...I noticed when trying to put todays CVS on but the version said that it was yesterdays..) |
| 17:14:11 | speedmerchant | make any sense? |
| 17:14:48 | alphawave | are you on linux windows or mac? |
| 17:14:56 | speedmerchant | windows XP |
| 17:15:13 | alphawave | did you empty the recycle bin? |
| 17:15:17 | speedmerchant | tried deleting the archos.mod and emptying the recycle bin |
| 17:15:30 | speedmerchant | no sign of any archos.mod on the disk |
| 17:15:41 | alphawave | well when you delete afile, its not really deleted |
| 17:15:54 | speedmerchant | when restarting the jukebox.. archos.mod reappears |
| 17:15:58 | alphawave | just the registry of the file is deleted |
| 17:16:21 | alphawave | use a file restore or something to fully delete it |
| 17:16:53 | alphawave | humm thats all i could think it is |
| 17:17:06 | speedmerchant | I'll try deleting from the command line |
| 17:17:13 | alphawave | you did "safely" removed he archos right? |
| 17:17:25 | alphawave | sometime that does it |
| 17:17:27 | speedmerchant | errmmm :D |
| 17:17:58 | alphawave | yeah i never do the safly remove unless i have to |
| 17:18:13 | speedmerchant | I'll try that too |
| 17:18:27 | bobTHC | have u seen the ipods mini software that u can install on ure ipod ? |
| 17:18:34 | alphawave | no! |
| 17:18:39 | bobTHC | http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new_search.m?s=2&productDB=mac&mode=Quick&OS_Filter=MacOSX,MacOS&search=ipod&x=9&y=13&order_d=D&order=DateMod |
| 17:18:40 | alphawave | you can do that? |
| 17:18:48 | alphawave | wow! |
| 17:19:40 | bobTHC | avant go like, weather forecast viewer, note viewer, email viewer |
| 17:19:46 | alphawave | that cool |
| 17:20:14 | speedmerchant | the safe remove worked alpha...cheers... I feel silly now ;) |
| 17:20:15 | alphawave | just if i could afford the damn thing |
| 17:20:23 | alphawave | lol |
| 17:20:43 | alphawave | it happens |
| 17:21:02 | bobTHC | of course but it's not a powerfull thing, wait and see the rockbox... |
| 17:21:38 | alphawave | but it can be useful |
| 17:21:57 | speedmerchant | ok I'm off, cheers... thanks a lot |
| 17:22:12 | | Part speedmerchant |
| 17:22:32 | bobTHC | contact organizer, vcard viewer |
| 17:22:42 | alphawave | text editor! |
| 17:23:18 | alphawave | thats would be y fave |
| 17:23:21 | alphawave | *my |
| 17:23:23 | bobTHC | rockbox is based on X11 so it's surely possible (with proportionnal font in plus) |
| 17:23:42 | alphawave | except us the player users... |
| 17:23:46 | alphawave | >:( |
| 17:23:50 | * | pimlottc weeps with alphawave |
| 17:23:51 | bobTHC | sorry for us ;) |
| 17:24:13 | pimlottc | all the rockbox pictures make me wish I had gotten the recorder too |
| 17:24:23 | * | pimlottc is a big tetris fan |
| 17:24:28 | alphawave | i would have but i couldn't afford it |
| 17:24:46 | * | alphawave is a snake fan |
| 17:25:29 | bobTHC | wait, the price decrease quickly... |
| 17:25:45 | alphawave | i bought my little 5 gig for 250$ |
| 17:26:03 | | Quit Snorlax ("gittar ny!") |
| 17:26:05 | pimlottc | of course there are 8 custom characters on the player... so theoretically you could kinda do pixel graphics on the player, but only 8 characters worth |
| 17:26:15 | pimlottc | 20 x 16 |
| 17:26:20 | alphawave | maybe if i break my unit, send it back to best buy and maybe they let me get a recorder hink it will wrk? |
| 17:26:58 | pimlottc | my player broke and archos replaced it but no free upgrade |
| 17:27:16 | pimlottc | I did get 8 more batteries and an extra pouch though :) |
| 17:27:17 | alphawave | i did get their 4 year extended warrently that also takes purposely done damage |
| 17:27:45 | alphawave | that is the best buy warrently to nothing to do with archos |
| 17:27:58 | bobTHC | the 6gigs player is @220$/€ in france shpping included.. |
| 17:28:04 | alphawave | my dog chewed my pouch :( |
| 17:28:12 | pimlottc | I never use the pouch |
| 17:28:27 | bobTHC | badluck ;( |
| 17:28:29 | alphawave | well i dont use mine now |
| 17:28:32 | pimlottc | heh |
| 17:28:46 | | Part Phil |
| 17:28:47 | pimlottc | hey now at least you can hit the buttons through the holes |
| 17:28:57 | alphawave | heh |
| 17:29:29 | alphawave | did you know you can pull the blue of the pouch without tearing it up though? |
| 17:29:54 | alphawave | just poke a little hole in the blue and start pulling |
| 17:30:06 | alphawave | then you have a sexy black case |
| 17:30:11 | pimlottc | heh cool |
| 17:30:17 | bobTHC | his dog already make the hole ;) |
| 17:30:19 | pimlottc | I should try that |
| 17:30:47 | pimlottc | you should call archos they'd probably send you another pouch |
| 17:31:17 | alphawave | nah im gonna go to a leather shop and have them make a custom case |
| 17:31:22 | pimlottc | nice |
| 17:31:48 | alphawave | with a plastic cocer on the scren so dust osn't get in the screen |
| 17:32:03 | alphawave | and so it won't get wet on a ccsident or something |
| 17:32:06 | pimlottc | I just left the plastic on that came on it |
| 17:32:31 | pimlottc | barely noticable anyway |
| 17:32:41 | alphawave | lol |
| 17:32:52 | alphawave | brb 1 sec |
| 17:35:19 | alphawave | mesa backa |
| 17:36:51 | | Join pyvasene_ [0] (~pyvasene@pyvasene.net1.nerim.net) |
| 17:37:27 | alphawave | hi |
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| 17:45:43 | | Quit matsl ("Client Exiting") |
| 17:50:11 | pimlottc | put some pictures up if you get that leather case made |
| 17:52:29 | alphawave | sure |
| 17:52:52 | alphawave | have you seen http://www.mctubster.com ? |
| 17:53:00 | alphawave | he has a awsome light mod |
| 17:53:24 | bobTHC | yes.. |
| 17:53:42 | bobTHC | but its not good for batt |
| 17:53:45 | alphawave | i know i would tear my unit up dong it though |
| 17:53:57 | alphawave | *doing |
| 17:55:11 | | Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) |
| 17:55:54 | alphawave | is xircon a good irc client? |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:25 | alphawave | brb i'm gonna give xircon a try |
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| 18:02:48 | | Join alphawave [0] (LeePilgrim@208-149-64-40.ppp.nexband.com) |
| 18:03:03 | alphawave | there xircon works! |
| 18:03:22 | alphawave | not bad |
| 18:03:23 | pimlottc | I used to use xircon way back when I was diehard into q1 |
| 18:03:29 | alphawave | and free! |
| 18:03:31 | pimlottc | but development stopped a long time ago |
| 18:03:41 | bobTHC | bye all! |
| 18:03:46 | alphawave | no better than mirc |
| 18:03:59 | alphawave | but it's free so im keepin it |
| 18:04:12 | bobTHC | trillian rulez ! |
| 18:04:14 | pimlottc | syntax is a good script for it |
| 18:04:17 | bobTHC | bye |
| 18:04:18 | pimlottc | if I remember correctly |
| 18:04:24 | | Part bobTHC |
| 18:04:44 | alphawave | your in france? |
| 18:05:13 | pimlottc | I'm in the US |
| 18:05:52 | alphawave | no bobthc |
| 18:06:10 | pimlottc | well I figured you had to be talking to me since bobTHC has left |
| 18:06:12 | pimlottc | :) |
| 18:06:28 | alphawave | o |
| 18:06:55 | pimlottc | kind of silly to talk to someone who isn't here |
| 18:07:19 | alphawave | thought he was here *g* |
| 18:13:38 | alphawave | g2g |
| 18:13:40 | alphawave | bye |
| 18:13:42 | | Quit alphawave ("Leaving") |
| 18:13:57 | | Quit pyvasene_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 18:14:35 | | Quit coutta (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 18:16:59 | | Quit elinenbe () |
| 18:19:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:21:44 | | Join merwin [0] (merwin@1Cust12.tnt1.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net) |
| 18:22:21 | merwin | Hmm... the code for the main webpage seems to be broken... it says there's been no cvs changes |
| 18:25:02 | adi|home | hmmm? |
| 18:25:24 | adi|home | how do you mean? |
| 18:26:03 | adi|home | i showing it updated 119 mins ago... or so |
| 18:27:17 | merwin | adi|home: weird... it must have just had a little code fart or something. So, how's the car? |
| 18:28:01 | adi|home | well.. mine is fixed.. died taking the gf back home this weekend |
| 18:28:04 | adi|home | damn battery went |
| 18:28:09 | adi|home | the gf's is still in the shop |
| 18:28:14 | adi|home | but she's on a rental, so all is well |
| 18:28:26 | merwin | heh, bad karma, huh? |
| 18:28:30 | adi|home | or carma |
| 18:28:32 | adi|home | ;) |
| 18:28:33 | adi|home | yeah... |
| 18:28:39 | adi|home | but hopefully luck is changing |
| 18:28:44 | adi|home | won't mention what... |
| 18:28:48 | adi|home | but if it happens.. ill say |
| 18:28:53 | adi|home | don't want to jinx myself |
| 18:29:26 | merwin | :-) |
| 18:29:32 | * | merwin needs to restart his computer... brb |
| 18:29:34 | | Quit merwin () |
| 18:30:57 | | Nick tumm is now known as Tumm (coyote@212.85.67.96) |
| 18:45:29 | | Join alphawave [0] (LeePilgrim@208-149-64-165.ppp.nexband.com) |
| 18:52:06 | | Join lohap [0] (~lohap@213-48-172-116.bra.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:52:23 | lohap | hi akll |
| 18:52:27 | lohap | hi all* |
| 18:56:49 | | Join manitee [0] (~jiffy@rrcs-central-65-31-76-104.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:56:59 | manitee | hi folks - anyone here? |
| 18:57:11 | alphawave | yes |
| 18:57:16 | lohap | just me who needs help with a linux problem |
| 18:57:26 | manitee | ah good - dumb question: how do you turn the unit off (using daily builds) |
| 18:57:35 | manitee | lohap: whats the question |
| 18:57:50 | alphawave | press stop unitill its off |
| 18:58:00 | alphawave | or hold stop i mean |
| 18:58:01 | manitee | press and hold or just wail on it? |
| 18:58:05 | lohap | i can mount my jukebox but i have chmod to a+rw but when i try to copy anything to it it say access denied |
| 18:58:41 | alphawave | i dont under stand your uestion |
| 18:58:57 | lohap | well i have mounted the unit to /mnt/archos |
| 18:59:06 | lohap | i then chmod a+rw /mnt/archos |
| 18:59:24 | lohap | but it say acces denied when i try to delete anything |
| 18:59:29 | manitee | who owns the mount point |
| 18:59:34 | lohap | root |
| 18:59:37 | lohap | i su |
| 18:59:40 | manitee | you trying to delete as root? |
| 18:59:41 | lohap | and chmoded it |
| 18:59:52 | lohap | yea i will alllow it but not as user lohap |
| 18:59:58 | lohap | i = it |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:05 | manitee | try chmod -R 777 /mnt/archos |
| 19:00:14 | manitee | as root |
| 19:00:22 | lohap | just opening terminal now lo |
| 19:00:23 | lohap | l |
| 19:01:45 | lohap | a btw i can only mount the drive when i turn my machine on with the archos jukebox conx and switch on when i try it after linux has booted it says special device not found |
| 19:01:57 | lohap | do i need to boot with the jukebox conx |
| 19:01:59 | manitee | hmm what version of linux |
| 19:02:15 | lohap | mandrake 8.2 |
| 19:02:20 | lohap | or manrape |
| 19:02:23 | manitee | heh |
| 19:02:28 | manitee | lets see about the other issue first |
| 19:02:35 | manitee | any luck trying what I said? |
| 19:02:50 | manitee | bah back in 5 |
| 19:02:54 | | Nick manitee is now known as manitee|away (~jiffy@rrcs-central-65-31-76-104.biz.rr.com) |
| 19:02:57 | manitee|away | stupid work |
| 19:03:10 | lohap | well i have but i need to reboot with the jukebox conx and im encoding some mp3's nearly done so ill try it and thanks (btw linux newbie) |
| 19:06:12 | | Quit lohap ("Client Exiting") |
| 19:08:33 | alphawave | i wanna try a linux puter i never have |
| 19:18:06 | alphawave | bye agine |
| 19:18:11 | | Quit alphawave ("Leaving") |
| 19:21:33 | | Nick manitee|away is now known as manitee (~jiffy@rrcs-central-65-31-76-104.biz.rr.com) |
| 19:21:35 | manitee | back |
| 19:21:45 | manitee | lohap you still here |
| 19:22:49 | | Join Naked [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) |
| 19:27:14 | manitee | hey anyone else here? |
| 19:28:04 | Naked | yah |
| 19:28:48 | manitee | hey you running the RB daily builds naked? |
| 19:29:16 | Naked | nope, my rockbox is a bit broken |
| 19:29:20 | Naked | er, archos |
| 19:29:21 | Naked | :9 |
| 19:30:20 | manitee | heh |
| 19:30:43 | | Join merwin [0] (merwin@1Cust115.tnt2.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net) |
| 19:31:22 | manitee | im having trouble turning my archos off |
| 19:31:30 | manitee | meaning i dont know how to heh |
| 19:32:03 | merwin | manitee: recorder or player |
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| 19:32:20 | manitee | studio 20 |
| 19:32:31 | merwin | hold down the off button? |
| 19:32:31 | lohap | hi all |
| 19:32:35 | merwin | hey lohap |
| 19:32:39 | manitee | tried that merwin |
| 19:32:42 | manitee | wb lohap |
| 19:32:51 | lohap | i did the chmod -R 777 and it didnt work |
| 19:32:55 | manitee | dang |
| 19:33:01 | manitee | same issue? permission denied? |
| 19:33:10 | lohap | access denied |
| 19:33:16 | manitee | interesting |
| 19:33:17 | merwin | and it's a player? the off button is hard-coded to turn it off |
| 19:33:35 | manitee | no, it's a studio 20, so technically there is no off button heh |
| 19:33:36 | lohap | is there anyway to see file permission in terminal |
| 19:33:47 | manitee | lohap: telnet? |
| 19:33:53 | | Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka_ (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) |
| 19:33:55 | lohap | bash |
| 19:33:59 | manitee | lohap: ls -l |
| 19:34:17 | pimlottc | I just always let it idle-off |
| 19:34:32 | manitee | lohap: drwxr-xr-x = directory, mode 755 |
| 19:34:55 | lohap | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Aug 27 00:48 archos/ |
| 19:35:00 | manitee | yeah thats 777 |
| 19:35:08 | manitee | can you cd into it? |
| 19:35:23 | lohap | yea |
| 19:35:29 | manitee | type "touch temp.txt" |
| 19:35:46 | lohap | done |
| 19:35:49 | lohap | nowt happened |
| 19:35:54 | manitee | do an ls: did it make a new file? |
| 19:35:56 | | Quit merwin () |
| 19:36:12 | lohap | yea now i have temp.txt |
| 19:36:28 | lohap | as well as the folders |
| 19:36:28 | manitee | huh, so root can create/write there - where are you trying to copy the files from? |
| 19:36:52 | lohap | from $home/mp3 |
| 19:37:03 | manitee | and you can obviously read from there |
| 19:37:12 | lohap | yea lol |
| 19:37:29 | manitee | sec |
| 19:38:06 | manitee | brb work suks |
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| 19:38:11 | lohap | lol |
| 19:40:06 | manitee|away | sec lohap |
| 19:40:12 | lohap | np mate |
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| 19:42:43 | manitee | what is the exact command you are using to copy the files |
| 19:43:15 | manitee | ah hell brb |
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| 19:43:22 | lohap | well i have used cp -r /$home/mp3/blink182 to /mnt/archos/ |
| 19:43:31 | lohap | and i have used the mile manager as well |
| 19:43:34 | lohap | same problem |
| 19:43:40 | adi|home | hmm? |
| 19:43:43 | adi|home | whats the prob? |
| 19:44:00 | lohap | i have chmod -R 777 /mnt/archos |
| 19:44:18 | lohap | but if anyone but su tried to add a file or folder its says access denied |
| 19:46:01 | manitee|away | huh |
| 19:46:11 | manitee|away | adi: he is having an odd linux file copying issue |
| 19:46:23 | lohap | lol ill just have to su everytime i need to copy owt to it lol |
| 19:46:38 | pimlottc | just permissions sounds like |
| 19:46:39 | manitee|away | you sometimes have to do that for removable devices like zips and cd-rw's |
| 19:46:51 | manitee|away | pim: can't see how, it's 777 |
| 19:46:59 | Hadaka_ | why don't you mount it as the user you are using it as? |
| 19:47:12 | pimlottc | huh |
| 19:47:55 | Hadaka_ | either as root mount /dev/something /mnt/archos -o uid=username,gid=username - or just add it to fstab and put "user" in options and mount it as the user you want it to be |
| 19:49:22 | * | manitee|away really is away |
| 19:49:42 | lohap | another one i have which is a real arse is that you need to have the jukebox conx and switched on to mount it in linux if you conx it and the try to mount it, it says mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 19:49:46 | pimlottc | or make a group for archos access and add yourself to that group |
| 19:49:52 | pimlottc | and mount it with that gid |
| 19:50:08 | lohap | well its easiet to su up |
| 19:50:22 | pimlottc | nah you can change the fstab once and never have to bother |
| 19:50:24 | Hadaka_ | I didn't understand that last problem at all |
| 19:50:31 | manitee|away | heh |
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| 19:50:39 | pimlottc | he says if he boots linux w/o the archos connected then connects it he gets an error |
| 19:50:59 | Hadaka_ | he's prolly using devfs or something |
| 19:51:05 | lohap | well if you have to jukebox conx and switched on when you boot you can mount it if you conx after you have booted it will not boot it says that /dev/sda1 doesnt exist |
| 19:51:15 | pimlottc | personally I have not had that problem |
| 19:51:24 | pimlottc | do you have the hotplug scripts installed |
| 19:51:36 | lohap | how can i tell (newbie) |
| 19:51:58 | pimlottc | it's probably available as a package |
| 19:52:48 | pimlottc | hotplug automatically loads the proper modules when you plug in a device |
| 19:53:12 | lohap | right ill have a look using package manager |
| 19:53:31 | lohap | yea it is |
| 19:57:31 | pimlottc | ps -A khubd |
| 19:57:38 | pimlottc | do that |
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| 20:02:37 | lohap | usage: ps -[Unix98 options] |
| 20:02:38 | lohap | ps [BSD-style options] |
| 20:02:38 | lohap | ps −−[GNU-style long options] |
| 20:02:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK lohap |
| 20:02:38 | lohap | ps −−help for a command summary |
| 20:02:49 | lohap | PsycoXul: error: Obsolete k option not supported. |
| 20:03:28 | lohap | 2729 ? 00:00:00 usb-storage-0 |
| 20:03:31 | lohap | herm |
| 20:04:13 | pimlottc | erp |
| 20:04:17 | pimlottc | ps -A | grep khubd |
| 20:04:19 | pimlottc | sorry |
| 20:04:22 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 20:04:22 | * | pimlottc smacks himself |
| 20:04:39 | * | manitee chuckles |
| 20:05:18 | lohap | 551 ? 00:00:00 khubd |
| 20:05:32 | lohap | thats what is outputted |
| 20:05:34 | manitee | its running then |
| 20:05:54 | pimlottc | nod |
| 20:06:27 | lohap | hermm bar when i turn it onb my hd is write/read to |
| 20:08:49 | pimlottc | try (as root) "modprobe usb-storage" first and then plug it in |
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| 20:09:52 | * | manitee|away means it this time |
| 20:10:27 | lohap | done that now what |
| 20:10:42 | pimlottc | no message? |
| 20:10:53 | lohap | nope |
| 20:10:54 | pimlottc | try to mount it |
| 20:11:08 | lohap | sda1 |
| 20:11:12 | pimlottc | nod |
| 20:11:30 | lohap | nope |
| 20:12:30 | lohap | nowt happened |
| 20:12:30 | pimlottc | lsmod | grep usb |
| 20:12:47 | pimlottc | it gave the same error as before? |
| 20:12:59 | lohap | usb-storage 52236 0 (unused) |
| 20:12:59 | lohap | usb-ohci 19072 0 (unused) |
| 20:12:59 | lohap | usb-uhci 21668 0 (unused) |
| 20:12:59 | lohap | usbcore 59072 1 [usb-storage usb-ohci usb-uhci] |
| 20:12:59 | lohap | scsi_mod 92488 4 [sd_mod usb-storage sr_mod ide-scsi] |
| 20:13:40 | pimlottc | do you have any scsi drivers |
| 20:13:43 | pimlottc | er drives |
| 20:13:45 | lohap | no |
| 20:15:06 | pimlottc | huh |
| 20:17:17 | manitee|away | wierd |
| 20:17:21 | manitee|away | oops |
| 20:17:25 | * | manitee|away is away |
| 20:18:33 | pimlottc | well |
| 20:19:00 | pimlottc | next time you boot up with the drive connected take a look at the lsmod output and see if it looks any different from when it fails |
| 20:19:20 | pimlottc | although it seems like you have all the needed modules |
| 20:19:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:19:54 | lohap | lol itll be ok ill must have to turn my jukebox on before the computer but its a right arse casue i aint got usb 2.0 support |
| 20:20:00 | lohap | even though i have usb 2.0 ports |
| 20:20:09 | lohap | any ideas how to install it |
| 20:21:05 | manitee|away | usb 2.0 support for mandrake? |
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| 20:21:20 | lohap | yea |
| 20:21:43 | manitee | figured they would have had a package by now - i dont really use that distro so im not sure |
| 20:21:53 | manitee | checking rpmfind.net |
| 20:22:25 | pimlottc | I would think it's just a matter of kernel drivers for 2.0 support |
| 20:23:02 | pimlottc | guess you'd have to patch the kernel |
| 20:23:03 | manitee | yeah thats true - what kernel version have you got lo |
| 20:23:35 | pimlottc | 1.0 is lamely slow but that's all my s20 will do |
| 20:24:14 | lohap | kernel 2.4.18 |
| 20:24:26 | manitee | thats the most current |
| 20:24:27 | lohap | 1.2.4.18 lol |
| 20:24:31 | manitee | (non dev anyway) |
| 20:24:46 | manitee | oh wait, I guess 19 is out now |
| 20:24:50 | lohap | kernel 2.4.18 |
| 20:24:58 | lohap | even |
| 20:25:18 | lohap | right ill have a look is it as easy as just installing hte new kernel |
| 20:25:39 | manitee | err not sure, i usually compile my own... pim? |
| 20:26:10 | lohap | well i aint that linuxed up yet lol |
| 20:26:25 | manitee | heh |
| 20:26:57 | manitee | i would think that is 18 had usb2 support it would be precompiled in |
| 20:27:03 | manitee | is = if |
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| 20:31:46 | merwin | yoy |
| 20:32:04 | manitee | wb |
| 20:32:39 | lohap | woo just setup fstab |
| 20:33:04 | manitee | you guys know how CD player FF/REV buttons work? how if you hit REV in the middle of a song, it will restart it. if you hit it again, it goes to prev song? thats how i think RB should work |
| 20:33:33 | merwin | manitee: that's how it does work :) |
| 20:33:35 | pimlottc | if you want to restart you can hit start and play |
| 20:33:50 | manitee | start and play? |
| 20:34:03 | * | manitee looks at his archos |
| 20:34:10 | manitee | i dont have a "start" button |
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| 20:35:22 | pimlottc | stop and play I meant |
| 20:35:32 | manitee | that restarts the current song? |
| 20:35:35 | pimlottc | well |
| 20:35:45 | pimlottc | under the regular firmwire it does |
| 20:36:01 | pimlottc | rockbox doesn't advance the file list when you play songs |
| 20:36:11 | pimlottc | i.e. you stat on 1 and listen thru to 3, hit stop and it still stays on 1 |
| 20:36:23 | manitee | gotcha |
| 20:36:26 | pimlottc | at least on 1.2 it didn't |
| 20:36:32 | pimlottc | I just got started playing with this stuff last night |
| 20:37:00 | manitee | yeah me too - i actaully had to go back to the archos firmware, cuz RB was skipping - linus said earlier this morning that it might be a FAT bug /shrug |
| 20:37:52 | pimlottc | I had no probs with the limited usage I had |
| 20:38:25 | pimlottc | it could stand to use a few features but that's all in the works |
| 20:39:00 | manitee | dont get me wrong, im still looking forward to RB, but until i solve the skippiong bit, its kinda unusable |
| 20:39:16 | manitee | maybe i should go back to 1.2, i was using the 8/26 daily |
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| 20:45:06 | * | manitee is leaving to go drink beer, or more likely whiskey and cokes |
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| 21:38:58 | lohap | hi all |
| 21:40:22 | LinusN | yo |
| 21:42:24 | lohap | anyone know ho wot patch the kernel |
| 21:42:35 | lohap | ho wot = how to |
| 21:45:33 | LinusN | linus kernel? |
| 21:45:35 | LinusN | linux |
| 21:45:51 | lohap | linux lol yea sorry |
| 21:46:12 | lohap | cause i have downloaded the 2.4.19 and im running 2.4.18 |
| 21:46:43 | Zagor | lohap: didn't you have a recorder 20? |
| 21:47:23 | lohap | yea i do i need usb 2.0 and 2.4.18 dont support it |
| 21:47:43 | Zagor | ok, and you downloaded the 2.4.19 patch? |
| 21:48:08 | lohap | yea |
| 21:48:24 | lohap | just need to know the commnad to patch it in bash |
| 21:49:03 | Zagor | go to the 2.4.18 kernel source root dir and run "patch -p1 < ../wherever/linux-2.4.19.patch" |
| 21:49:17 | juergen | speaking of USB, would the recorder20 not work with USB11 at all? |
| 21:49:31 | Zagor | juergen: usb2.0 is backwards compatible, so it works |
| 21:49:42 | juergen | Zagor: thanks |
| 21:50:55 | lohap | is the default /lib/modules |
| 21:53:19 | lohap | hermm i cant find the source root arrr |
| 21:53:53 | Zagor | lohap: if you haven't downloaded it previously, you probably don't have it |
| 21:54:10 | Zagor | distros rarely use the stock kernel, they love adding their own patches |
| 21:54:15 | LinusN | Zagor: i am looking at ata_perform_sleep() |
| 21:54:28 | LinusN | it waits for RDY |
| 21:54:42 | lohap | so how the hell do i update to 2.4.19 i need to download source and compile? |
| 21:54:46 | Zagor | look at wait_for_rdy() |
| 21:54:54 | Zagor | lohap: yes |
| 21:55:04 | LinusN | Zagor: i have |
| 21:55:07 | Zagor | no need to be upset |
| 21:55:18 | lohap | pants is that hard to do for a newbie |
| 21:55:20 | LinusN | after CMD_SLEEP it should wait for !BSY |
| 21:55:33 | LinusN | not RDY |
| 21:55:41 | Zagor | LinusN: it does. the first thing wait_for_rdy() does is wait_for_bsy(). *then* it checks RDY |
| 21:55:43 | LinusN | the return code will be wrong |
| 21:55:56 | LinusN | it shouldn't check RDY at all |
| 21:56:19 | LinusN | onlt BSY |
| 21:56:23 | LinusN | only |
| 21:56:24 | Zagor | ok |
| 21:56:28 | lohap | 2.4 or 2.5 hermm which to choose |
| 21:56:33 | Zagor | lohap: 2.4 |
| 21:56:54 | Zagor | 2.5 is the development branch. lots of test code and bugs. |
| 21:57:10 | lohap | k i love linux so so easy to setup lol |
| 21:57:19 | Zagor | LinusN: ok, but this really shouldn't make a difference for the bug we see, right? |
| 21:57:24 | Zagor | lohap: hehe |
| 21:57:25 | LinusN | no |
| 21:57:43 | lohap | now gzip or bz2 |
| 21:57:49 | LinusN | we don't check that return code |
| 21:58:04 | Zagor | lohap: bz2 if you have 'bzip2' installed (you probably do) |
| 21:58:14 | Zagor | LinusN: exactly |
| 21:58:39 | LinusN | however, we do the same check in soft_reset() |
| 21:58:49 | LinusN | that might be worse |
| 21:58:57 | LinusN | i'll debug that in a sec |
| 21:59:02 | lohap | yea but why have to version well im going to watch tv whilst it downloads and get some reports done brb |
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| 21:59:51 | Zagor | lohap-catchingup: because not all (commercial) unices have bzip2 installed. |
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| 22:07:48 | pimlottc | and bzip2 takes more memory |
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| 22:10:14 | WS64 | Hello :) |
| 22:10:19 | LinusN | hi |
| 22:11:28 | WS64 | just a short question about the "HD lock" issue (did not happen to me so far thank god!)... |
| 22:11:28 | WS64 | For Linux you have a solution where you just have to connect your Archos. |
| 22:11:40 | LinusN | yes, but only for player |
| 22:11:50 | WS64 | Is it possible to get a bootable Linux floppy image that includes this deature? |
| 22:12:07 | Hadaka_ | hmmh, bootable linux floppies very rarely have usb-storage support |
| 22:12:14 | Hadaka_ | but I suppose it could be possible |
| 22:12:27 | WS64 | Hadaka, yes, that's what I thought :( |
| 22:12:45 | Hadaka_ | I don't think any readymade floppy does that, though I might be wrong |
| 22:12:54 | Hadaka_ | a CD-image is an another matter though |
| 22:13:10 | WS64 | Why? It's just bigger... |
| 22:14:43 | LinusN | c |
| 22:14:46 | Hadaka_ | a CD-image usually has lots more software just because it's bigger |
| 22:14:55 | Hadaka_ | so a full-blown linux could have usb-storage on that |
| 22:16:14 | WS64 | Yes, but some people don't want linux at all.. They just want that "unlock" feature without having to remove the HD out of the Archos... *g* A bootable floppy would not need lots of things like HD support and so on... :) |
| 22:16:24 | pimlottc | it's surely possible as a floppy |
| 22:16:48 | Hadaka_ | yeah, it's possible |
| 22:16:52 | Hadaka_ | just that no default setup does that |
| 22:17:04 | pimlottc | probably not |
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| 22:17:30 | Hadaka_ | but a default setup cd-image might do that |
| 22:18:02 | WS64 | That's why I ask... Maybe it's possible to create such an image (no idea about copyrights here) and share it with the rockbox community. |
| 22:18:31 | pimlottc | it's certainly a good idea |
| 22:19:51 | Hadaka_ | no copyright problems ofcourse |
| 22:19:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:23:20 | pimlottc | it may be possible with the dos floppy too though... I have seen boot floppies with USB before |
| 22:23:38 | pimlottc | like from Norton Ghost |
| 22:23:54 | pimlottc | dos USB drivers I should say |
| 22:24:20 | pimlottc | don't know if they do hd's tho |
| 22:24:26 | LinusN | pimlottc: yes it is very possible in DOS |
| 22:24:40 | LinusN | but in that world, nothing is free |
| 22:24:54 | LinusN | no source, nothing |
| 22:25:01 | LinusN | money, money, money |
| 22:25:03 | pimlottc | oh, I know |
| 22:25:17 | pimlottc | just thinking out loud |
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| 22:25:27 | LinusN | one can always dream... :-) |
| 22:26:22 | WS64 | I just ask cuz prolly all of the Archos users (except the rockbox developpers) are Windows people *g* |
| 22:26:23 | WS64 | Even if I had Linux on my machine right now I had no idea how to use that driver patch... |
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| 22:29:31 | pimlottc | you can't format a DOS floppy in winxp anymore can you? |
| 22:30:15 | WS64 | In case someone wants to have a legal MP3 on their Jukebox: http://www.ws64.com/guitarchords/mp3/icantellwhy.mp3 (composed and recorded by me) |
| 22:30:59 | WS64 | pimlottc, a rightclick on a floppy in XP still brings me the format option.... Is that what you meant? |
| 22:32:15 | Hadaka_ | yeah right, I'm having troubles finding a Windows archos user - everybody I know use LInux :) |
| 22:32:18 | LinusN | Zagor: i see the ATA bug now |
| 22:32:26 | LinusN | it is a mutex race |
| 22:33:28 | pimlottc | ws64 - can you make it bootable? |
| 22:33:32 | LinusN | ata_read_sectors() checks the sleeping flag before taking the mutex |
| 22:34:23 | WS64 | pimlottc, I'll check... |
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| 22:35:18 | WS64 | Yes, it has an option "create MSDOS start disk" |
| 22:35:18 | WS64 | (not tested, should I?) |
| 22:35:33 | pimlottc | nah I was just checking |
| 22:40:04 | Hadaka_ | hmmh, gcc-3.2 in toolchain-src in debian - now I could test it if my archos worked correctly |
| 22:41:27 | LinusN | HAHA! I killed the dreaded "ATA hang bug"! |
| 22:41:54 | pimlottc | great |
| 22:41:56 | merwin | what bug is that? |
| 22:42:33 | LinusN | the one that caused a read error and left the LED on when browsing directories |
| 22:42:39 | Hes | Oooh? |
| 22:42:54 | LinusN | if you entered a dir exactly when the disk spun down |
| 22:43:01 | pimlottc | can't say I've run into that but glad to hear it won't happen |
| 22:43:09 | LinusN | or when reading a fortune cookie :-) |
| 22:43:16 | dwihno|gone | Hooray for Linus Felzing Wiezer Snauzer! :D |
| 22:43:35 | Hes | What was it? |
| 22:43:36 | pimlottc | hey, fortune |
| 22:43:41 | pimlottc | that's a game that could be run on the player |
| 22:43:47 | pimlottc | (well the short ones) |
| 22:43:58 | * | pimlottc has recorder game envy |
| 22:43:59 | dwihno|gone | "That wasn't chicken" |
| 22:44:17 | LinusN | Hes: ata_read_sectors() took the mutex after checking the sleeping flag |
| 22:44:19 | Hes | I implemented fortune... on the recorder, should be easy to port for the player |
| 22:44:41 | dwihno|gone | Hey, it's raining(!?) :O |
| 22:44:42 | Hes | accidentally the disk had a tendency to spin down just as i had read a cookie and wanted another one while testing it 8-) |
| 22:44:51 | dwihno|gone | Linus: did you cause this with your ATA stuff? :) |
| 22:44:54 | LinusN | and perform_sleep took it and released it at two occations |
| 22:44:59 | merwin | LinusN : ahhh |
| 22:45:04 | pimlottc | tsk tsk |
| 22:45:11 | LinusN | so read_sectors could sneak in between |
| 22:45:15 | Hes | Okay |
| 22:45:26 | LinusN | nasty stuff |
| 22:45:49 | LinusN | that was only the case when SLEEP-ing, not in STANDBY |
| 22:45:59 | merwin | pimlottc : i agree... fortune needs to be ported to player :) |
| 22:46:01 | LinusN | that's why it suddenly reappeared |
| 22:46:04 | dwihno|gone | Where's Bagder? I need to get my garbage taken out! :) |
| 22:46:09 | LinusN | when zagor enabled the sleep |
| 22:46:37 | Hes | How about the intro play feature? |
| 22:46:49 | merwin | Hes : could be done easy enough |
| 22:47:16 | merwin | Hes : It'd be hard to put notification on the player that it's in use though |
| 22:47:33 | LinusN | intro play? |
| 22:47:43 | merwin | LinusN : first 10 seconds of the song for each song |
| 22:48:02 | LinusN | that's something i've never had a use for |
| 22:48:08 | merwin | me neither |
| 22:48:09 | LinusN | enlighten me |
| 22:48:23 | merwin | I find it easy enough to press the next button :) |
| 22:48:29 | Hes | I was actually referring to the intro play introduced by the I/O errors. |
| 22:49:23 | merwin | Hes: oooooh, that :) |
| 22:49:27 | merwin | Hes: the new "feature" :-) |
| 22:49:40 | merwin | Hes: we need to get that fixed before the release |
| 22:49:45 | LinusN | ah, actually, the resume write may have interfered with the MP3 data loading |
| 22:49:51 | WS64 | I never had used that intro thing too, but it might be a nice feature in case you wanna find back into a long playlist where the actual position somehow got lost by the player |
| 22:50:13 | merwin | LinusN: fix it! j/k :) |
| 22:50:20 | LinusN | but i haven't had that problem, so i can't look for it |
| 22:50:25 | merwin | I'm just tired of hearing the first couple minutes of each song |
| 22:50:44 | LinusN | merwin: you have it all the time??? |
| 22:50:50 | Hes | I have Lots of it |
| 22:50:57 | merwin | LinusN : yeah, aout every other song |
| 22:51:08 | LinusN | since when? |
| 22:51:29 | merwin | LinusN : not exactly sure... yesterday was the first time in a long while that i actually used my rockbox to play music instead of testing code |
| 22:51:54 | LinusN | it would be good to know which build was the latest that worked |
| 22:52:51 | merwin | LinusN : it's hard to test since you have to spend at least like 10 minutes to see if it happens... sometimes it'll play a few songs fine and then hit one. Other times it'll do it all the time |
| 22:52:55 | Hes | bedtime. |
| 22:52:59 | merwin | nite hes |
| 22:53:04 | LinusN | nite hes |
| 22:53:06 | Hes | I'll grab an old build tomorrow morning for driving to work |
| 22:53:27 | merwin | anyone got a build from a week or so ago? |
| 22:53:27 | Hes | this morning it skipped on like 7 of 8 songs |
| 22:53:35 | LinusN | and it always skips to the next song? |
| 22:53:40 | merwin | LinusN : yup |
| 22:53:45 | LinusN | wow |
| 22:54:03 | merwin | LinusN : with no break inbetween, so it has the next song buffered up and everything |
| 22:54:09 | merwin | LinusN : no disk spinning up or anything |
| 22:54:15 | pimlottc | heh |
| 22:54:18 | LinusN | aha |
| 22:54:33 | pimlottc | well good to hear you have no gap switching working :) |
| 22:54:45 | merwin | pimlottc : that's the only time it actually works |
| 22:54:47 | merwin | heh |
| 22:55:22 | pimlottc | "it's not a bug, it's a feature" |
| 22:55:33 | merwin | well, and when switching normally i guess... when hitting next or prev it takes a couple seconds to start the next track |
| 22:56:00 | LinusN | merwin: you use resume? |
| 22:56:12 | merwin | LinusN : yup |
| 22:56:18 | LinusN | try to disable it |
| 22:56:24 | merwin | ok, i'll do that right now |
| 22:57:18 | LinusN | i think then ATA bug might have caused that bug too |
| 22:59:37 | merwin | wynona's got a big brown beaver and she shows him off to all her friends |
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| 23:00:27 | Silly_Fly | בלה בלה |
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| 23:04:00 | merwin | LinusN : did you commit the patch for the ATA fix? |
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| 23:06:52 | LinusN | merwin: done |
| 23:07:00 | pimlottc | btw |
| 23:07:14 | pimlottc | I forgot to mention |
| 23:07:20 | nsauzede | hi.. |
| 23:07:26 | pimlottc | rockbox is really nice and you guy all kick ass |
| 23:07:29 | merwin | LinusN : seems ok now, 2.5 songs and no skip... i'll try a couple more |
| 23:07:49 | Silly_Fly | is there a plan to implement an external programs support? |
| 23:08:21 | merwin | .rmd extension! (rockbox module) :-) |
| 23:08:32 | pimlottc | so thanks |
| 23:08:38 | LinusN | We have talked about plugins |
| 23:08:49 | LinusN | pimlottc: you're welcome |
| 23:08:51 | merwin | or .rox |
| 23:09:11 | LinusN | we haven't really talked that much about extensions... :-) |
| 23:09:14 | pimlottc | you'll have to do some sort of plugins eventually (or make it a full blown os) |
| 23:09:23 | pimlottc | I mean you already got 3 games in there and people will want to do more |
| 23:09:32 | merwin | pimlottc : we still have 150kb of firmware left :) |
| 23:09:52 | LinusN | we will port DirectX to Rockbox :-) |
| 23:10:10 | merwin | LinusN : why not? wine can do it, why can't we |
| 23:10:10 | pimlottc | get quake1 running and it'll be front page /. for sure |
| 23:10:20 | dwihno | Yay! Soon CS will be available for the Rockbox platform :) |
| 23:10:39 | merwin | pimlottc : all we need is doom to run |
| 23:10:45 | nsauzede | doom ? |
| 23:10:55 | pimlottc | network play through the serial port... |
| 23:10:59 | nsauzede | I've got a bouncing ball for the players :) |
| 23:11:22 | pimlottc | scary though that's actually doable... I could see head to head archos tetris happening |
| 23:11:30 | LinusN | well, gotta sleep now |
| 23:11:37 | merwin | LinusN : couldn't you make some sort of USB remote? or is all of the usb handled internally |
| 23:11:40 | Silly_Fly | give me Mario on the recorder, and i'll be happy enough...... |
| 23:11:48 | merwin | Silly_Fly : it's doable |
| 23:11:49 | pimlottc | gameboy emulator! |
| 23:11:58 | LinusN | merwin: the USB is nothing but an ATA bridge |
| 23:11:59 | merwin | pimlottc : if only we had the mhz to do that |
| 23:12:09 | merwin | LinusN : ahh |
| 23:12:12 | Silly_Fly | sure... |
| 23:12:15 | LinusN | we have no control over it |
| 23:12:22 | LinusN | well night all! |
| 23:12:25 | nsauzede | linus: 1 question only ? |
| 23:12:25 | pimlottc | well |
| 23:12:27 | merwin | night linus |
| 23:12:30 | Silly_Fly | but, untill I get to an adaquate level of programming |
| 23:12:31 | pimlottc | you could send really weird ata packets |
| 23:12:34 | LinusN | nsauzede: ok |
| 23:12:36 | pimlottc | and use a modified version on the pc side |
| 23:12:36 | pimlottc | :) |
| 23:12:39 | merwin | LinusN : looks like resume was causing the problem |
| 23:12:48 | Silly_Fly | meanwhile, I'm working on a calculator... |
| 23:12:53 | nsauzede | do you know if it's possible for rockbox to know when host has disc USB ? |
| 23:12:54 | dwihno | Linus: Did you commit the ATA-fix? |
| 23:12:57 | LinusN | merwin: then the ATA fix will kill that bug too |
| 23:13:02 | pimlottc | or just use file operations on a special subdirection on the archos |
| 23:13:04 | merwin | LinusN : wonderful |
| 23:13:04 | LinusN | it is committed |
| 23:13:29 | LinusN | pimlottc: we can't access the ATA when USB is active, and vice versa |
| 23:13:34 | dwihno | Hail Linus, master of fixes! :-D |
| 23:13:59 | LinusN | nsauzede: we know when the USB cable is inserted |
| 23:14:05 | LinusN | nothing else |
| 23:14:06 | pimlottc | from the archos os, nod |
| 23:14:16 | pimlottc | too bad |
| 23:14:22 | merwin | LinusN: wait |
| 23:14:24 | nsauzede | linus: Ok, thanks ! Good Night !! |
| 23:14:25 | merwin | LinusN : it just did it :( |
| 23:14:47 | LinusN | merwin: just playing? |
| 23:14:52 | merwin | LinusN : yup |
| 23:14:55 | LinusN | or fiddling with the settings too? |
| 23:15:00 | merwin | LinusN : just playing |
| 23:15:05 | LinusN | damn |
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| 23:15:20 | merwin | LinusN : no resume on |
| 23:15:23 | LinusN | still, try the latest bleeding edge |
| 23:15:43 | merwin | okey |
| 23:15:48 | Zagor | LinusN: how do you mean it released it twice? |
| 23:15:51 | LinusN | and if that doesn't work, we have work to do tomorrow |
| 23:15:59 | merwin | LinusN : yup |
| 23:16:16 | LinusN | Zagor: that wasn't entirely the truth |
| 23:16:43 | LinusN | ata_read_sectors() checked the sleeping flag and took the mutex after that |
| 23:17:13 | pimlottc | hey ws64 you still here |
| 23:18:37 | Zagor | LinusN: yes? and why did you add ata_perform_soft_reset? the only thing it does is take/return the mutex, just like ata_soft_reset did. ?? |
| 23:18:49 | Zagor | not complaining, just not getting it :-) |
| 23:18:51 | LinusN | Zagor: the opposite |
| 23:18:53 | merwin | i like big butts and i cannot lie. them other brothers can't deny |
| 23:19:06 | LinusN | perform_soft_reset does not take it |
| 23:19:35 | LinusN | we needed that, otherwise the mutex would be released by ata_soft_reset |
| 23:20:05 | LinusN | when called by ata_read_sectors |
| 23:20:39 | Zagor | i thought we ruled out a multithread problem from that? |
| 23:20:56 | LinusN | we created one |
| 23:21:48 | Zagor | how? |
| 23:22:46 | LinusN | 1) perform_sleep() takes the mutex, sends the SLEEP command and waits for BSY (yielding) |
| 23:22:56 | | Quit merwin ("gotta log off for a sec") |
| 23:23:15 | LinusN | 2) ata_read_sectors() checks the (false) sleeping flag and waits for the mutex |
| 23:23:40 | Zagor | doh. got it. good catch! |
| 23:23:43 | LinusN | 3) perform_sleep() is ready, sets sleeping=true and releases the mutex |
| 23:23:53 | LinusN | *bang* |
| 23:24:07 | LinusN | gdb rox again! |
| 23:24:13 | Zagor | indeed |
| 23:24:43 | LinusN | the multithread problem we ruled out was probably trying to avoid an unnecessary yield() |
| 23:24:52 | Zagor | i'd say this means i'll whip up an 1.3 release tomorrow |
| 23:25:14 | LinusN | Zagor: i adjusted the key voltage levels a little too |
| 23:25:20 | Zagor | yeah, i noticed |
| 23:25:38 | LinusN | Zagor: merwin still has the hideous skip-to-the-next-file problems |
| 23:25:51 | Zagor | still? |
| 23:25:58 | LinusN | that could be caused by the mutex race, but not necessarily |
| 23:26:32 | Zagor | did he build from cvs himself? |
| 23:26:55 | Zagor | because the fix didn't build until 4 minutes ago |
| 23:27:15 | LinusN | he verified by turning off the resume |
| 23:27:22 | LinusN | and he still had the problem |
| 23:27:42 | Zagor | hmm |
| 23:28:01 | LinusN | i have to go to sleep now |
| 23:28:06 | LinusN | cu tomorrow |
| 23:28:20 | Zagor | bye |
| 23:28:25 | LinusN | please test the buttons |
| 23:28:42 | Zagor | yup |
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| 23:31:12 | nsauzede | zagor ? |
| 23:32:09 | Silly_Fly | anyone having problems with the up button on the recorder?? |
| 23:35:03 | Zagor | nsauzede: ? |
| 23:35:35 | nsauzede | zagor : do you know where I can find ISD200 datasheet ? |
| 23:35:38 | Zagor | Silly_Fly: not me, but there's a couple of button bugs reported. try the latest bleeding edge build and see if that changes |
| 23:35:58 | Zagor | nsauzede: i'll upload it to the rockbox site |
| 23:36:05 | nsauzede | cool ! |
| 23:36:10 | Silly_Fly | zagor : ok. i'll reprt back soon :) |
| 23:36:49 | nsauzede | I asked Linus about the possiblity to see in the ISD200 register when host has disconnected (ie: umount / eject under linux) |
| 23:37:01 | nsauzede | any idea ? |
| 23:37:38 | Zagor | no, you won't see it |
| 23:37:53 | Zagor | it's only a logical operation on the PC side. the usb device doesn't know about it. |
| 23:38:16 | nsauzede | oh, you mean the host doesn't turn off slave/master mode ? |
| 23:38:27 | nsauzede | (as I've seen in rockbox) |
| 23:38:56 | Zagor | no. it just flushes the caches and removes the devices from it's active device list. it doesn't even tell the usb device anything. |
| 23:39:08 | nsauzede | ahh right :) |
| 23:39:13 | Zagor | i could be wrong, but I think that's how it is |
| 23:39:40 | nsauzede | it's because I was bored un/plugging USB cable when trying new firmware |
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| 23:39:55 | dwihno|gone | You ppl should go to sleep :) |
| 23:40:04 | Zagor | dwihno|gone: go away! ;) |
| 23:40:14 | nsauzede | so I wondered if it could be possible to insert/extract USB by soft :) |
| 23:40:56 | nsauzede | (indeed, I'm actually _doing_ that, but manually rather than automagically detected :) |
| 23:40:56 | dwihno|gone | Zagor: I'm gone already, now you follow my drift and go to sleep. Or watch that nice Steve Martin comedy on TV3 ;) |
| 23:41:03 | Zagor | nsauzede: well we could just enter/exit usb mode with a key press, but it's too dangerous to be in the normal code |
| 23:41:19 | nsauzede | -> what I do ;) |
| 23:41:21 | Zagor | dwihno|gone: I don't have TV3. I don't pay for television. |
| 23:41:22 | nsauzede | (only for me :) |
| 23:41:44 | dwihno|gone | Zagor: well, go to sleep, you got work(tm) tomorrow |
| 23:42:07 | Zagor | hehe. yes daddy... |
| 23:42:09 | dwihno|gone | I'm off now anyways ... Don't forget to close the t-shirt contest for new submits in a couple of days :) |
| 23:42:32 | nsauzede | oops, I haven't contributed yet :/ |
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| 23:43:47 | nsauzede | zagor : I finally (re) found the game for the player I told you about. It was done by Psyco Dedman.. |
| 23:43:57 | nsauzede | Are you interested ? |
| 23:44:04 | Zagor | nsauzede: nice. have you tried it? |
| 23:44:08 | nsauzede | (I ported it to rockbox menu) |
| 23:44:10 | nsauzede | yes |
| 23:44:16 | nsauzede | works great ! |
| 23:44:27 | Zagor | is it any fun? |
| 23:44:37 | nsauzede | well.. that's the point, |
| 23:44:54 | Silly_Fly | zagor : buttons act much better. thanks. |
| 23:45:02 | Zagor | Silly_Fly: excellent! |
| 23:45:18 | nsauzede | Indeed, without a 131x64 bitmap LCD, we can't pretend to prot Doom(tm) for players.. |
| 23:45:25 | Jet8810 | are games possible for player? |
| 23:45:38 | nsauzede | Plus there is only one level; Jet : yes |
| 23:45:43 | nsauzede | one (errr...) |
| 23:46:07 | Silly_Fly | have you given any thought about including my snake game? |
| 23:46:12 | Zagor | Jet8810: they are just much more limited since we have very little graphics possibilities |
| 23:46:26 | Zagor | Silly_Fly: well, we have one snake game already... :-) |
| 23:46:41 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 23:46:43 | Jet8810 | right |
| 23:46:44 | Jet8810 | i realize that |
| 23:46:47 | nsauzede | zagor: I've done experiments with a 14x20 bitmap screen on my player.. |
| 23:46:56 | Jet8810 | but as my studio only cost me $70 i am quite satisfied :) |
| 23:47:03 | Silly_Fly | I know, but mine's more simple. for classic lovers... plus it has a speed setting...... |
| 23:47:15 | Zagor | nsauzede: data sheet page updated |
| 23:47:21 | nsauzede | I've done a fly simulation, bouncing ball, and planned some snake game |
| 23:47:31 | Zagor | (let's hope Cypress doesn't complain about me publishing these) |
| 23:47:45 | Zagor | nsauzede: fly simulation? does it look good? |
| 23:47:46 | nsauzede | zagor: isd ? oops.. |
| 23:47:52 | Jet8810 | currently no, as said (alot) in other threads, the player can only |
| 23:47:52 | Jet8810 | display text. |
| 23:47:52 | Jet8810 | if anyone would come up with a way to draw graphics on the player, be |
| 23:47:52 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Jet8810 |
| 23:47:52 | Jet8810 | sure I'll convert it right away... |
| 23:47:55 | Jet8810 | quoted from an email |
| 23:48:09 | pimlottc | nsauzede - i'd like to see that code |
| 23:48:14 | Synthe | did y'all see the news that fraunhofer and thompson are now trying to charge $0.75 license fee for any MP3 decoder? |
| 23:48:29 | nsauzede | zagor: well, it's just the bouncing ball mode, with random x and y deltas :) |
| 23:48:41 | Zagor | Synthe: yes. but we're off the hook since every custom has already paid for the micronas chip |
| 23:48:49 | Silly_Fly | nsauzede : so graphics is available for players too??? |
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| 23:49:01 | nsauzede | pimlott: well, I can post it.. |
| 23:49:12 | Synthe | aye, but I wonder if that means archos will suddenly stop producing any mp3 players |
| 23:49:13 | nsauzede | silly: yes, well nearly :) |
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| 23:49:45 | Zagor | Synthe: no. the only difference is the Micronas chips they use will cost $0.75 more per unit |
| 23:49:52 | Silly_Fly | nsauzed : so what are you waiting for? there are thousends of player-users out there craving for games! :) |
| 23:50:08 | pimlottc | nsauzede - I was just starting to look into doing the same thing myself |
| 23:50:24 | nsauzede | silly: listen, indeed, bitmap is not possible, but 8 charcells may be custom designed, |
| 23:50:25 | Synthe | and if they buy a million chips next year for building mp3 players, thats an extra $750,000 they have to pay |
| 23:50:27 | Zagor | Synthe: hardware units don't have much of a problem with this. software players are much worse off, especially Free Software ones |
| 23:51:08 | nsauzede | pimlott,silly: So, I've designed a framework (well err..) where I've an array, |
| 23:51:11 | Synthe | I know that in the rockbox faq they say it'd be very difficult if not impossible to support ogg or wma, but it'd be a great coup if rockbox could :) |
| 23:51:40 | Zagor | Synthe: start studying dsp programming ;) |
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| 23:51:50 | Silly_Fly | nsauzede : how frequently can you change them? |
| 23:52:01 | nsauzede | pimlott,silly: which represents the pixels of those 8 charcells, |
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| 23:52:32 | kargatron | quick qstn: does latest rockbox have 'goto'? like going to track 50 of a playlist? |
| 23:52:45 | Silly_Fly | nsauzede : I mean, if you could change them in no-time (and easily), you could use them (well, roghly) to display 'graphics'... |
| 23:52:49 | kargatron | or for the moment do I just hit 'next' N times? |
| 23:53:01 | Zagor | kargatron: 50xNext, unfortunately |
| 23:53:06 | kargatron | thx |
| 23:53:11 | nsauzede | pimlott,silly: so, with 7x5 pixels per charcell, I've got 14x20 pixels total (plus some extra standard text on remaining chars) |
| 23:53:21 | kargatron | still most grateful for real resume, so I'll survive |
| 23:53:23 | merwin | Zagor: that ata problem that linus fixed also seemingly fixed the automatic track skipping "feature" :-) |
| 23:53:38 | merwin | Zagor: I just tested out with the latest build and it's working after 7 - 10 songs |
| 23:53:41 | Zagor | merwin: yes, we suspected it would. that's really nice! |
| 23:53:42 | nsauzede | silly: that's exactly what I do, it's even nearly fluid :) |
| 23:54:08 | pimlottc | nsauzede - thought it was 8x5 |
| 23:54:15 | nsauzede | nope :) |
| 23:54:25 | pimlottc | that's what I get for reading the docs |
| 23:54:51 | nsauzede | problem is when displaying pixels that are close to inter-charcell, the space is a bit too large.. |
| 23:55:34 | nsauzede | player-bitmap: if anyone is interested, I can post some clean demo-like.. |
| 23:55:50 | Silly_Fly | zagor : did you look at my game? I really like it, and I'd hate changing the games menu every time a new firmware comes out..... |
| 23:55:58 | pimlottc | nsauzede - you mean the gaps between cells? |
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| 23:56:19 | nsauzede | player-bitmap: pimm: yes; for now, the most probable game to make is snake |
| 23:56:31 | nsauzede | it would be playable.. |
| 23:56:44 | Silly_Fly | nsauzee : that'll be nice |
| 23:56:52 | nsauzede | but zagor, still interested in gamebox ? (psyco dedman) |
| 23:56:58 | pimlottc | I was thinking the gaps should be accounted for in the 'resolution' just that they are always blank |
| 23:57:13 | pimlottc | otherwise it would screw up the proportions |
| 23:57:13 | nsauzede | why ? |
| 23:57:33 | nsauzede | it would dcrease number of pixels drastically |
| 23:58:04 | Silly_Fly | what's the resolution of the player anyway? |
| 23:58:13 | nsauzede | hum ? |
| 23:58:25 | pimlottc | I mean when you have 2 7x5 cells next to each other consider it 15x5 with the center column of 'pixels' being the intercell gap |
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