#rockbox 2002-09-02

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#rockbox log for 2002-09-02

00:00:10	TotMacher	is it better to charge with rockbox ?
00:00:46	Zagor	TotMacher: no, we still charge less than the stock firmware to avoid battery damage
00:00:57	TotMacher	ahh ok
00:01:02	dwihno	Zagor: thanks
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00:02:32	TotMacher	i want to pose with my hd, so i need the free disk space display :)
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00:02:57	Zagor	TotMacher: yeah, we'll get that soon
00:03:03	TotMacher	hehe :)
00:03:06	TotMacher	very goofd
00:03:29	pimlottc	wumpscut fan?
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00:25:17	dwihno	tweak WPS
00:25:35	Zagor	bed time, see you later
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00:25:45	dwihno	Farewell, noble code police!
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01:15:45	BoD[]	i go to bed bye !
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07:30:18	black6host	hi all, took a look at rockbox today and I'm impressed. A bit concerned with the hard drive password issue. Is this a frequent thing?
07:31:16	LinusN	i haven't seen it since christmas
07:32:02	black6host	i'm having issues on my linux box and I'm not in a position to compile in the patch...:(
07:32:17	LinusN	aha
07:32:22	LinusN	don't worry
07:32:29	LinusN	it is very rare
07:32:41	black6host	cool.
07:32:50	LinusN	and also, it doesn not seem to be a rockbox issue either
07:33:06	LinusN	orthodox archos users have had it too
07:33:17	black6host	i saw that though I did see mention that it affects the developers more than standard firmware...
07:34:19	LinusN	yup, it probably had to do with low battery level combined with uninitialized I/O ports or something
07:34:33	black6host	just got the recorder 15 and it's pretty slick. only thing though is that occasionally it locks up while playing and the hard drive starts making a bad bad sound
07:34:42	LinusN	ouch!
07:34:46	black6host	yep!
07:34:51	LinusN	better return it
07:35:08	black6host	just got done loading up a ton of cd's too, now I've got to take it back and exchange it
07:35:11	LinusN	recorder 15?
07:35:16	black6host	yes
07:35:16	LinusN	is that new?
07:35:27	LinusN	i only knew about 6, 10 and 20
07:35:46	black6host	must be, it's not mentioned on their site, even the manual doesn't refer to it
07:36:04	LinusN	does it say 15 on the unit?
07:36:25	LinusN	i mean printed on the plastic?
07:36:26	black6host	yep, jukebox recorder 15
07:36:29	LinusN	wow
07:36:44	black6host	i think it's still got the usb 1.1 interface
07:36:53	black6host	cause I don't have usb 2.0
07:36:54	LinusN	how lame
07:36:55	black6host	and it works
07:37:10	black6host	but the price was right!
07:37:11	LinusN	but usb2.0 is backwards compatible
07:37:26	black6host	ahh, maybe it does then, but no specs for it in the manual
07:37:32	black6host	let me check the box
07:37:45	LinusN	it is mentioned on the box
07:38:19	LinusN	it's strange that they don't boast more about the USB2.0
07:39:15	black6host	transfer rate is 1MB/sec, so nope...
07:40:45	black6host	i just wish it didn't make that knocking sound. I hate to have to take it back. They don't have the 20 where I got it, unfortunately
07:41:24	LinusN	i would return it if i were you
07:41:36	LinusN	or buy a new hard disk
07:41:59	black6host	well, since it's only 3 days old... bit early to repair :)
07:42:24	black6host	hope they got another on the shelf
07:42:33	Hes	Morning.
07:42:58	LinusN	about the USB, you should be able to see if it is an ISD200 or ISD300 in your device by checking which driver is used in Linux
07:43:53	black6host	i haven't got that far yet, accessing it from a win box at the moment, my suse box is having, uhh, difficulty :)
07:44:48	black6host	hopefully get that fixed tonight, new jukebox tomorrow, rockbox on it and life will be good
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07:45:34	LinusN	black6host: good luck
07:45:44	LinusN	Hes: morning
07:46:07	black6host	thx! off to fix my other stuff!
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07:46:58	Bill_k	Hello all can anybody point me where I can find info in setting up the dev envioment under windows?
07:47:37	LinusN	there are different options
07:48:43	Bill_k	I heard somone had success using Visual studio? But I can also use a dos box
07:49:09	LinusN	do you want to build a simulator or a target firmware?
07:49:47	Bill_k	firmware is my goal for a recorder 20
07:50:09	LinusN	ok, then you need a cross compiler, and Visual Studio will not help you
07:50:22	LinusN	you can start reading at http://rockbox.haxx.se/tools.html
07:51:24	Hes	Hi, any ata.c news?
07:51:29	Bill_k	I downloades the wingnushv020 and installed
07:51:43	LinusN	Hes: no, i don't have any new theories
07:51:56	Hes	Ok... i'll go with some debugging stuff then
07:51:57	LinusN	since my latest fix didn't solve anything
07:52:16	LinusN	Bill_k: ok, and then?
07:53:13	Hes	Does ata.c code run in interrupts?
07:53:38	Hes	should inserting lcd_print code there be safe?
07:53:58	LinusN	Hes: ata is polled
07:54:23	LinusN	Hes: do you still have skipping?
07:54:36	Hes	Yes.
07:54:41	LinusN	and only with SLEEP, not with STANDBY?
07:54:41	Hes	Proportional font support? (N)
07:55:01	Hes	configure still asks for that although proportional is the default...
07:55:13	LinusN	is it default? that is a bug?
07:55:21	LinusN	it shouldn't be default
07:55:23	Bill_k	reading some more. I found a page I missed
07:55:33	Hes	I thought it was made the default.
07:55:44	LinusN	no, we backed on that one
07:55:49	Hes	Ah, ok.
07:56:07	Hes	It doesn't skip on STANDBY but it doesn't spin down either - even with STANDBY_IMMEDIATE being issued.
07:56:21	LinusN	Hes: is that so?
07:56:29	LinusN	weirdo
07:56:39	Hes	Yes. I wonder if the drive's STANDBY time should be to something else than 'disabled' for the _IMMEDIATE to work.
07:57:41	LinusN	lemme check
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08:00:12	LinusN	the spec says that sending the command will suffice
08:00:19	LinusN	no parameters
08:00:21	Hes	Ok...
08:00:36	Hes	I'll go to the office... seeya later
08:00:39	LinusN	cu
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08:13:20	Bagder	morning
08:13:25	LinusN	morning Bagder
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08:15:35	LinusN	sleep tight, seb-sleep
08:15:57	Bagder	i forgot my charger at work last week so I haven't been able to update for days
08:16:05	Bagder	painful ;-)
08:16:12	LinusN	ooooh
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08:19:38	Bagder	hey rwood
08:19:51	rwood	hi Bagder
08:20:05	Bagder	any news?
08:21:17	rwood	is the call to lcd_update supposed to be inclosed in an ifdef on HAVE_LCD_BITMAP?
08:21:40	LinusN	not necessary
08:21:51	LinusN	it is defined on players too
08:21:59	LinusN	although it does nothing
08:22:37	rwood	Bagder: i solved the problem - the schematics are wrong - IRQ1 is the RTC, i believe IRQ0 is the disk
08:22:49	Bagder	cool
08:23:51	rwood	i'm finishing it off with the dynamic relocation - i know zagor wants to do something different, i'm not enough of a C and unix type to setup the .isection sutff
08:24:34	LinusN	rwood: actually, the resulting code is the same with the .section stuff, just different
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08:24:57	LinusN	the code still has to be explicitly copied
08:25:04	LinusN	in crt0.S
08:26:04	rwood	LinusN: is it going to internal RAM at start time?
08:26:12	LinusN	"it"?
08:26:36	rwood	LinusN: the move routine - the loader is probably on as is
08:26:55	LinusN	i wouldn't put the loader in internal ram
08:27:58	rwood	i agree, the move routine is quite small and could be recoded in C in internal ram - the fun part was the dynamic relocation
08:28:14	rwood	sort of hate to see it go
08:29:23	rwood	have you had any problems with the ADC i2c on the player? - the spec says it is limited to 100k if the serial input is not operating
08:29:51	rwood	i assume the serial clock is only operational when the decoder is playing
08:30:15	LinusN	i haven't seen any ADC I2C problems
08:31:18	rwood	it may be something to look at if there are differences from player to player
08:32:09	LinusN	good idea
08:32:52	LinusN	we have had problems with the dac, but they had to do with not setting all registers i the dac
08:33:49	rwood	in chasing what i thought was a RTC problem, i looked at all the I2C specs, rockbox is running somewhat faster than most of the specs
08:34:22	LinusN	oh
08:35:02	LinusN	rwood: do you have the timing info?
08:35:06	rwood	i don't remember which one, but one specs a 1.25 us high and low clock times
08:35:11	LinusN	i mean, how far off are we?
08:35:45	rwood	i thing our high time is quite short relative to some of the specs
08:36:09	rwood	i'll take some timing and compare to all the specs tommorrow
08:36:17	LinusN	great!
08:36:29	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
08:36:29	*	Bagder is fixing up the last designs
08:36:36	LinusN	btw, send us the rolo patch as soon as you are done
08:36:42	rwood	if you are interested, i would take on the task of making the i2c driver compliant with the specs
08:36:44	Bagder	howto-vote mail coming up soonish
08:37:18	LinusN	rwood: that would be great!
08:38:01	rwood	LinusN: good - as soon as i post ROLO, i'll start on that
08:38:26	rwood	do you want me to recode the move routine in C and declare it an .isection?
08:38:47	rwood	or leave it to one of the gurus
08:39:28	Hes	less
08:39:30	LinusN	rwood: leave it
08:39:44	LinusN	Hes: less?
08:39:57	Hes	whoops, channel lottery, fvwm stopped changing focus, had to restart it 8-)
08:40:18	rwood	by the way the only problem was that the IRQ0 had to be set to edge triggered
08:40:26	LinusN	rwood: i would like the i2c timings to be really optimal
08:40:41	Hes	Ah, you found a problem with the STANDBY
08:40:54	LinusN	maybe even different timings to different devices
08:41:15	rwood	LinusN: by optimal do you mean as short/fast as possible?
08:41:20	LinusN	yup
08:41:28	Hes	rwood: so the loader works on recorders now? 8-)
08:41:42	LinusN	as fast as possible to the codecs
08:42:00	rwood	Hes:YES - reloads 1.27d on the recorder
08:42:05	Hes	HOORRAY
08:43:12	rwood	LinusN: i'll setup some defines so that the timing can be changed easily
08:43:27	LinusN	rwood: good
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09:01:25	Bagder	http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/designs.html
09:01:34	Bagder	34 ones
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09:05:46	Bill_k	is the make file that comes with the standard build platford specific. Does it have to be
09:05:52	Bill_k	modified for win32
09:06:03	Bagder	target build?
09:06:08	Bill_k	1.2
09:06:34	Bagder	windows compilers are stupid, so yes
09:06:45	Bagder	but really, we should be able to make them into the same one
09:07:00	Bagder	but so far no windows users seem to be willing to do the work required
09:07:08	rwood	i have a build-player and build-recorder directory - is there a way to force a full re-compile in each directory?
09:07:20	Bill_k	I assume the make files that came for with the source are for linix
09:07:30	Bill_k	linux
09:07:40	rwood	without deleting all the .os
09:07:43	Bagder	rwood: 'make clean' 'make' is the way to force a complete rebuild
09:08:02	Bagder	Bill_k: we include windows makefiles too
09:08:03	rwood	Bagder: thanks
09:08:13	Bill_k	where?
09:08:23	Bagder	win32.mak
09:08:35	Bagder	and you shouldn't do anything with 1.2
09:08:40	Bagder	it is waaaay old
09:08:59	Bagder	Bill_k: what compiler are you using?
09:10:28	Bill_k	Thanks Badger. I am using wingnushv 020
09:11:02	Bagder	right, then I think those makefiles should work
09:11:31	Bill_k	I just want to get a clean compile and then I'll get the latest source
09:11:36	Bill_k	Thanks again
09:11:48	Bill_k	I'll be back
09:13:24	Bill_k	Badger where do I find win32.mak? Does not seem to be with the in the source RAR
09:13:44	Bagder	grrr
09:13:46	Bagder	you're right
09:13:52	Bagder	it's not the tarballs
09:13:57	Bagder	crap
09:14:23	Bagder	get them from the CVS
09:14:42	Bagder	http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rockbox/firmware/
09:14:43	Bagder	etc
09:15:15	Bill_k	Off to get file
09:19:36	mbr\|we	s=doc
09:19:53	mbr\|we	Sory and morning :)
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09:25:20	LinusN	who is gofurygo?
09:25:58	Bagder	/whois gofurygo ;-)
09:26:13	Bagder	no idea
09:27:18	LinusN	he files a new gub report for every comment
09:27:21	LinusN	bug
09:27:28	Bagder	yeah, I notice
09:27:40	LinusN	and his bug first report was a list of already reported issues
09:40:37	Bagder	http://storebror.haxx.se/rockbox/tshirt-contest/vote.html
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09:40:42	Bagder	does that make sense?
09:41:34	LinusN	looks good
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09:47:57	Zagor	morning
09:47:59	Bagder	moo
09:48:23	Bagder	Zagor: how-to-vote mail coming up in 15 mins
09:48:38	Bagder	just waiting for the web to update first ;-)
09:48:58	Zagor	ah
09:49:18	Bagder	33 designs are competing
09:50:13	Zagor	"Insturmental Blues" ;-)
09:50:23	Bagder	hehehe
09:53:28	Bagder	"Congratulations from Germany, you are great!"
09:53:29	Bagder	;-)
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09:53:49	Bagder	those forums gets all filled up with rockbox talk ;-)
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09:55:09	LinusN	Zagor: i mailed him about the Inturmental Blues"
09:55:09	Zagor	Bagder: which?
09:55:27	Bagder	Zagor: I'm reading the funmp3players.com right now
09:56:31	rwood	ROLO looks good with current CVS for recorder - need to regression test on player - anyone want to make an icon for program loads?
09:58:38	Zagor	rwood: nice!
09:58:58	rwood	Zagor: thanks
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10:00:07	Bagder	I just can't wait to rolo my first firmware ;-)
10:02:01	Zagor	it seems anyone can assign bugs to people. very annoying.
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10:02:30	Bagder	it is pretty useful when used correctly
10:02:44	Bagder	but of course, most reporters have no clue
10:02:53	Blaster_Master	question : i just went from 02/09/01 to 02/09/02 and the option to configure the WPS screen (before there was a nice scrobbar, now it is gone ?)
10:03:57	Zagor	"this feeling of trust in your development I never had with any other commercial software"
10:05:05	Bagder	encouraging words indeed
10:05:41	Blaster_Master	on the player version
10:06:39	Zagor	Blaster_Master: yes. now we have fully customizable wps instead.
10:07:00	Zagor	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html
10:07:05	Bagder	I have this growing feeling that we should appoint "managers" for different areas of the software
10:07:32	Bagder	the amount of patches and improvements posted are a bit overwhelming to keep track of
10:09:09	Zagor	at the same time, I don't want to move too fast either.
10:09:47	Bagder	no, it wouldn't be to move faster
10:10:05	Bagder	it would just be easier to read through stuff and concentrate more on your area
10:10:18	Bagder	right now, we all try to cover all
10:11:35	Zagor	yes, but there are very few patches I'm ready to just accept as-is. Maybe I'm just a control freak... :-)
10:12:19	Bagder	no, you're right, but I'm more talking about who would apply the patches, and then possibly commit them
10:12:51	Bagder	now, we all just randomly apply patches and possibly commit them
10:13:14	Bagder	we might do the same patches or we might ignore the same patches
10:13:21	LinusN	we might even come to the point where we should define in general terms what Rockbox should contain and what not
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10:13:32	LinusN	hi alan!
10:13:40	alkorr	Hi linus !
10:13:42	Bagder	LinusN: yes, that too
10:14:47	Bagder	another approach could be to use the patches tracker on sourceforge for patches
10:14:57	Bagder	it would be easier to assign it to a person etc
10:14:57	alkorr	Hi Bagder, Zagor and everybody else
10:15:02	Bagder	hey Alan
10:15:17	Zagor	Bagder: i was just thinking about that too
10:15:22	Zagor	alkorr: hi
10:15:41	Bagder	I think that would be an improvement compared to the current situation at least
10:15:55	Bagder	then we'd quickly see when the amount of patches grow etc
10:17:20	Bagder	personally it would help me sort out where to put my efforts
10:21:25	Bagder	LinusN: what's your opinion on going over to use the patch tracker for patches?
10:22:43	LinusN	I have never used it
10:22:57	Bagder	it's basicly like the feature-requests
10:23:30	Bagder	it'll be easier to get an overview, to assign them to people, to close already fixed ones etc
10:23:36	LinusN	i like it
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10:26:26	Bagder	Zagor: so what do you say about encouraging people to post all their patches that way instead?
10:27:16	Zagor	the only downside i can think of is that there might be less discussion about the patches
10:28:02	Bagder	yes, but I think we could have the initial posting get posted to the list
10:28:20	Bagder	not all changes, just the initial one
10:29:42	Zagor	yes
10:31:18	mecraw\|work	would sourceforge let you mark the patches as accepted/rejected/pending?
10:31:31	Bagder	yes
10:31:31	Zagor	yes
10:32:31	mecraw\|work	i think that would be good from the patcher's point of view, that way we would have a place to go to see the status of a patch
10:32:37	Bagder	and we have a VOTE! ;-)
10:32:53	Bagder	mecraw: I agree
10:33:06	mecraw\|work	and would keep people from sending mails to the list asking "Where's my patch?"
10:34:07	mecraw\|work	although it wouldn't keep me from crying when mine aren't excepted :)
10:35:00	Bagder	hehe, but it would make it more clear when they are denied or just forgotten ;-)
10:35:40	mecraw\|work	s/excepted/accepted
10:36:12	mecraw\|work	speaking of patches... :)
10:36:31	mecraw\|work	i think multiline scroll isn't very useful
10:36:52	mecraw\|work	i got it working, but just found it confusing to look at
10:37:15	Zagor	it could still be nice to have the option in wps.config
10:37:21	Zagor	i haven't looked at the patch yet, though
10:38:34	mecraw\|work	i just made them all scroll in synch
10:38:49	mecraw\|work	maybe it would be better to have them cycle, one after the other
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10:53:39	mecraw	Bagder: how about using sourceforge's survey functionality for the t-shirt vote?
10:56:29	Bagder	hm, didn't think of that
10:57:30	mecraw	might as well go all the way
10:58:07	Bagder	I picked the email-way to reduce the possibilty of abuse
10:58:20	matsl	mecraw\|work: I have experimented with different scroll speed. One fast line and one slow. It wasn't that bad.
10:59:37	mecraw	matsl: cool, i just wanted to see how hard it would be to do
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11:00:00	LinusN	personally, i don't liek having the names on the shirt
11:00:09	LinusN	that list grows every day
11:00:13	Bagder	me neither
11:00:17	mecraw	especially since mine is missing :)
11:00:26	Bagder	but let's see what the people say
11:00:51	matsl	mecraw: Scrolling both lines on the player at the same speed hurts my eyes.
11:01:02	LinusN	and when a guy is awarded a shirt for a contribution, his name won't be on it, just a bunch of other people
11:01:19	mecraw	matsl: same thing happened with me on the recorder
11:01:40	mecraw	LinusN: not if you win
11:02:10	matsl	mecraw: So we should introduce for the wps %sN where N is the scroll speed.
11:02:42	mecraw	matsl: what about scroll one line through, stop it, then scroll the next line?
11:03:33	matsl	mecraw: Maybe. An alternative to scroll is to display one word at the time.
11:03:43	LinusN	mecraw: i will win anyway, since i pay the t-shirts
11:04:14	matsl	mecraw: There are a lots of possibilities. ;-)
11:04:42	*	Bagder added a few more people to the CREDITS
11:05:32	LinusN	maybe add "...and myself" to the name list on the shirt
11:05:51	*	mecraw weeps with joy after seeing the credits
11:06:22	Bagder	I think it is important to include all contributors there
11:06:37	mecraw	Are the designs going to be taken as is? Or are you going to do some tweaks once the winner is chosen?
11:06:57	Bagder	I think we'll need to tweak them, a little depending on which that wins of course
11:07:00	mecraw	i.e. fix the spelling of "insturmental blues"
11:07:05	Bagder	right ;-)
11:07:35	Mode	"#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
11:07:43	Topic	"http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/vote.html" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
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11:09:33	merwin	heya
11:09:36	LinusN	yo
11:09:44	merwin	So does the new custom wps scroll correctly on the recorder?
11:09:50	mecraw	yes
11:09:53	merwin	cool
11:09:57	merwin	who did the update?
11:10:08	Zagor	i did
11:10:16	merwin	Zagor: i mean who wrote it?
11:10:26	Zagor	lear (Magnus Holmstr�m)
11:10:36	merwin	Magnus... cool name :-)
11:11:28	Bagder	6 votes already
11:11:49	Bagder	very diverse so far
11:11:53	merwin	So, I was thinking, and it would probably be easily possible to update the scrolling text... Couldn't you just add an lcd_upate_scrolltext() function that just changes the text string?
11:12:12	*	merwin needs to vote, but would feel bad about voting for himself
11:12:32	Bagder	merwin: if you think yours is best, vote for yourself
11:12:51	merwin	Bagder: heh, sounds good
11:13:14	Bagder	I did ;-)
11:13:21	Bagder	(vote for my own design)
11:14:08	merwin	heh. There's some damn good ones.
11:14:16	merwin	so what do you think about an update_scrolltext() function?
11:14:25	merwin	the 2 line scrolling was nice also
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11:22:54	quelsaruk	hi
11:23:00	LinusN	yo
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11:29:42	Bagder	a friend in Angola needs my money
11:29:53	Bagder	I better send away all of it
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11:47:46	merwin\|packing	Bagder: why did the WPS Settings get taken out? Is there ONLY the custom wps now?
11:48:10	Bagder	I haven't taken anything out
11:48:29	Zagor	merwin\|packing: yes, only custom wps if you don't like the default
11:48:39	merwin\|packing	Bagder: oh, zagor did it
11:48:53	Zagor	it's silly having several pieces of code doing the same thing
11:49:35	merwin\|packing	Zagor: True. Shouldn't there be more than one setting still? Just in case you want to change it for a bit and don't have a computer handy?
11:50:26	Zagor	the chance that the bit you want to change is one of our predefined is so slim it's pointless
11:51:23	merwin\|packing	Zagor: I meant 2 custom ones, could even be defined in the same file
11:51:29	merwin\|packing	with a header line
11:51:33	merwin\|packing	<CUSTOM1>
11:51:34	merwin\|packing	<CUSTOM2>
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11:52:09	Zagor	ah, ok. yeah we could add the option to load several different wps configs. in fact, we should rename them to be called *.wps and let the tree browser load them...
11:52:26	Bagder	neat idea
11:52:41	Zagor	then we have no limit
11:53:00	merwin	Zagor: that is a great idea
11:53:16	Zagor	default.wps is loaded at boot
11:54:00	merwin	Part of our goal, if I understand correctly, is "Ultimate Configuration, Without The Confusion (tm)"
11:54:01	Zagor	or we can even save a short filename in the resume block
11:54:20	Zagor	merwin: yes. but also Without The Messy Code
11:54:30	merwin	Zagor: ahh, forgot that part!
11:54:47	merwin	Zagor: I try, with my unfortunately limited knowledge of C
11:54:54	Zagor	:-)
11:54:56	merwin	and math, i suck at math
11:55:41	mecraw	is wps.config reloaded after USB disconnect?
11:56:13	merwin	mecraw: i dunno... it used to be loaded whenever you went into the wps function
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11:56:24	merwin	mecraw: which I understand is only done once?
11:56:41	Zagor	mecraw: currently no
11:57:00	merwin	Zagor: another good function to add
11:57:01	notch	did anyone get an email with a diff attached re: F2 button shuffle ?
11:57:02	merwin	:)
11:57:06	Zagor	it currently only loads at boot. the new tree loader feature will fix this.
11:57:24	Zagor	notch: yes. but i'm having other plans for F2 so i'm not applying it
11:57:43	mecraw	Zagor: new tree loader?
11:57:45	notch	no worrires - just didnt turn up in my inbox...
11:57:59	notch	for some reason!
11:58:08	Zagor	mecraw: yes, loading *.wps files from the dir browser
11:58:42	merwin	Zagor: are we only going to allow the .wps files to be located in the .rockbox folder? Because if we don't, the string saved onto disk for the next bootup will have to be MAX_PATH
11:59:21	Zagor	merwin: we can load from anywhere, but only those stored in .rockbox will automatically resume. (and lets limit filename length to about 10 chars too)
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12:00:01	*	mecraw tries to go to sleep again
12:00:03	merwin	Zagor: good idea. How much space do we have in the RTS (is that the correct term, i'm tired), and on the disk
12:00:04	mecraw	night
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12:00:19	Bagder	night mecraw
12:00:46	Bagder	RTC is 44 bytes
12:00:49	Bagder	the mem
12:00:58	Zagor	merwin: rtc is rather crowded. this will go on disk only
12:01:40	merwin	Zagor: why even bother using the RTC? :P
12:01:58	Bagder	because it is faster to save there
12:02:09	Zagor	merwin: to make sure settings are always up-to-date. otherwise you'd have to wait for disk spinup, like the players.
12:02:10	Bagder	no need to spin up disk etc
12:02:46	merwin	Zagor: so the important settings, like resume, get saved to the RTC, and the non-essential ones (that don't change very often) get saved to disk
12:03:13	Zagor	no. all settings are saved on disk. some of them are also saved to rtc.
12:03:45	Zagor	but rtc is written more frequently than disk, so on boot rtc values take precedence
12:03:47	merwin	Zagor: ahh. k. How much room do we have on the disk? And should we consider an editable file at some point?
12:04:01	Zagor	merwin: we currently use a single sector (512 bytes)
12:04:14	Zagor	a writable file has pros and cons.
12:04:23	merwin	Zagor: fat corruption is a bad con
12:04:28	merwin	Zagor: archos firmware had that
12:04:42	Zagor	yes. and a single sector is very quick to write. a file can be troublesome on full disks.
12:05:10	Zagor	we will likely keep the sector solution for a while, at least
12:05:16	merwin	Only if you have a disk with under like 1mb left :)
12:05:33	Bagder	foood
12:05:45	Zagor	merwin: even with 1G free on a 40G disk, it can take quite some time to locate free space
12:06:05	*	merwin went canoeing (in a canoe of course) today... fun stuff
12:06:17	merwin	Zagor: really? i never would have though that
12:07:17	Zagor	merwin: the archos has this problem when recording. it sometimes takes a lot of time to start recording, because it searches for free disk space first
12:07:32	merwin	ahh
12:11:58	merwin	ok, bedtime
12:12:00	merwin	ttyl
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12:29:59	Blaster_Master	i wrote a little text about howto use the WPS command "%?". Who wants it ?? anyone interested...
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12:35:59	PsycoXul	%s%?it<%it\|%fn>/%?ia<%ia\|%?d3<%d3\|%?d2<%d2\|%d1>>>
12:36:00	PsycoXul	%pt%pb%pp/%pe
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12:50:24	zodiac	hiya, can anyone pls help me? :)
12:56:00	LinusN	i can try
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12:57:44	zodiac	i just tried to copy the archos.mod file to my jukebox, i restart and the file is gone, is that right? :)
12:57:57	LinusN	no
12:58:00	zodiac	i might do something wrong, im not sure
12:58:04	LinusN	windows or linux?
12:58:10	zodiac	windows
12:58:20	LinusN	player/recorder?
12:58:23	LinusN	player
12:58:24	LinusN	ok
12:58:35	zodiac	jukebox studio 20
12:58:35	zodiac	player
12:58:37	LinusN	did you eject properly?
12:58:45	zodiac	hmm i dunno :)
12:58:55	LinusN	right-click on the device, and select "eject"
12:59:03	zodiac	after copying?
12:59:08	LinusN	of course
12:59:12	Blaster_Master	oooh so the %? command is nested .. WOW :O
12:59:15	zodiac	sorry im a noob :)
12:59:56	zodiac	what about the locked hd issue does it happen often?
12:59:56	LinusN	in the file explorer, right-click on the device, for example f:
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13:00:00	LinusN	no
13:00:06	zodiac	im kinda scared :)
13:00:24	LinusN	the file isn't written to the device until you eject
13:00:36	LinusN	the lock issue is not rockbox specific
13:00:49	LinusN	it can happen with the original firmware as well
13:00:56	zodiac	ok, cool
13:01:20	zodiac	brb
13:02:28	zodiac	no eject button in explorer the one in the task bar?
13:02:45	zodiac	i only have "safely remove hardware"
13:02:52	LinusN	that's the one
13:03:21	zodiac	hmm, the devide "Generic volume" cannot be stopped right now. try stopping the device again later
13:03:40	LinusN	i am no windows guru
13:03:54	LinusN	what windows version?
13:03:57	zodiac	xp
13:04:06	LinusN	oh, then i'm lost
13:04:09	zodiac	lol
13:04:13	quelsaruk	umm
13:04:15	zodiac	thx a ton anyway!!
13:04:27	quelsaruk	zodiac: do you have a usb icon at the tray?
13:04:27	zodiac	i thought its worth a try :)
13:04:32	zodiac	yea
13:04:33	LinusN	before you safely remove the hardware, make sure that you don't have any explorer windows open
13:04:44	zodiac	aah lemme try that
13:05:03	quelsaruk	right click on it, and you may have something like disconnect usb HD
13:05:15	zodiac	worked
13:05:23	zodiac	ok im gonna copy now.. i guess :)
13:05:47	zodiac	brb
13:05:55	quelsaruk	i had win2k before... and that tends to happen a lot of times
13:05:56	quelsaruk	:)
13:06:29	quelsaruk	zodiac: if you don't disconnect correctly your jukebox, you may have problems with the partiton table
13:06:48	quelsaruk	so be always sure you've done it correctly
13:06:50	quelsaruk	:)
13:08:54	zodiac	hmm
13:08:58	zodiac	and then?
13:09:11	zodiac	need a coffee first :))
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13:11:34	Norrin	Hello all.
13:11:45	LinusN	hi
13:11:45	quelsaruk	hi Norrin
13:11:55	Norrin	First, let me tell you the Rockbox mod files are killer.
13:12:01	Norrin	Excellent work.
13:12:18	Norrin	Question concerning latest build 20020902.
13:12:26	Norrin	Where did the WPS option go?
13:13:24	Bagder	it took a hike ;-)
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13:14:31	Bagder	seriously, the wps options are replaced with a fully customized wps
13:15:08	Norrin	I have the Studio 20 which I have installed an IBM 40GB drive into.
13:15:45	Norrin	Where are the wps options located now? Not that I really need to use them but was curious about the feature.
13:16:04	zodiac	i turned it on and i only see the start screen :jukebox ver:5.08 nothing else
13:16:34	zodiac	fook, hd error
13:17:03	Bagder	Norrin: "/.rockbox/wps.config"
13:17:32	Bagder	you define that file according to how you want it to look
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13:18:19	Norrin	This folder is created on the Jukebox?
13:18:44	Bagder	yes, create the folder and then edit the file wps.config in it
13:18:48	Bagder	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html
13:19:28	LinusN	Bagder: is there a link to that somewhere on the page?
13:19:49	Bagder	that link is in the faq, but I don't know if its anywhere else
13:20:01	Bagder	it should be added to the manual for wps
13:20:04	Norrin	Thanks, excellent.
13:20:48	zodiac	ok, it seems its gone now :)
13:21:32	Norrin	Another question, the wps.config goes in the directory "rockbox" correct?
13:21:44	Bagder	".rockbox"
13:21:51	Bagder	with a dot first
13:21:54	zodiac	i have a HD error, any clues?
13:21:58	Norrin	Can't create .rockbox under Windows XP
13:22:07	Bagder	Norrin: you need to do it in a dos prompt
13:22:19	Norrin	Thanks again.
13:22:29	Bagder	we'll need to document that too
13:23:18	Norrin	What purpose does the . serve?
13:23:40	Bagder	it makes the directory hidden if 'show hidden files' is Off
13:23:45	zodiac	norrin, hide the file in unix
13:23:53	Bagder	it's also a common linux/unix way of hiding files
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13:26:36	zodiac	my device wont boot anymore, it only boots if its plugged into USB
13:26:51	zodiac	HD ERROR :(
13:27:16	Bagder	you ran a scandisk on it or similar?
13:27:39	zodiac	after i copied the archos.mod it didnt boot anymore
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13:27:56	zodiac	i deleted the archos.mod same error
13:28:08	Bagder	you ran a scandisk on it or similar?
13:28:15	zodiac	i can see the device in window tho
13:28:24	zodiac	no scandisk
13:28:36	Bagder	I think you should
13:28:47	LinusN	zodiac: this is exactly why you must "safely remove" the archos
13:29:00	zodiac	lunusN i did!
13:29:49	Norrin	Bagder: Thanks for the info. Gotta go play with the settings.
13:30:40	quelsaruk	Bagder: i'm not sure, but, can windows handle .rockbox directory?
13:30:41	LinusN	zodiac: did you safely remove the first time? when the archos.mod file was lost?
13:30:54	zodiac	um, not really
13:30:55	Bagder	quelsaruk: yes it can
13:31:07	Bagder	quelsaruk: but you can't create it with the windows explorer crap
13:31:11	zodiac	but it was gone then anyway after the next reboot
13:31:37	zodiac	unable to complete the disk check
13:31:39	quelsaruk	Bagder: i use linux, but i thought windows couln't do that, just curiosity
13:31:41	quelsaruk	:)
13:31:55	Bagder	we've tried on several different versions, so we're pretty sure
13:32:22	PsycoXul	yeah it takes it to be an extention and complains about having no filename, when i tried it
13:32:28	PsycoXul	on win98
13:32:40	Bagder	yes
13:32:45	LinusN	silly windows
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13:32:54	LinusN	use the command prompt
13:33:24	PsycoXul	i just made the dir in linux earlier today... heh
13:33:59	Hes2	Once someone digs into FAT writing, rockbox could create the directory if it doesn't exist
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13:34:03	Norrin	quelsaruk: Windows can handle it, just created it from the Command prompt in Windows XP.
13:34:17	Bagder	Hes: that's a fair idea, indeed
13:34:26	PsycoXul	Hes: yeah thats what i figured too
13:35:32	quelsaruk	thx Norrin :)
13:36:03	Norrin	I'm looking over the setting for the custom WPS now. Trying to figure out what I want it to display.
13:37:19	zodiac	ok i cant complete the scandisk
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13:38:51	idefx	Hi. I try to compile CVS version of rockbox, but i've got a problem, it answer me: "/home/idefx/Documents/cvs/tools/main_menu.o: In function `seek_next':
13:39:05	idefx	"home/idefx/Documents/cvs/tools/main_menu.o(.text+0x1b8): undefined reference to `strtok"
13:39:21	Bagder	seek next sounds like a seek patch applied
13:39:39	PsycoXul	so is the line-in's DAC input turned on in rockbox or is there any code for that or what? i'm getting stuff to make myself the patch cable i need to use it for a passthrough finaly...
13:39:39	idefx	in fact, i don't really understand how the makefile works in this project.
13:40:01	Bagder	you run linux?
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13:40:15	idefx	seek is the patch i maid, it worked with simulation, but not in true compilation.
13:40:22	PsycoXul	idefx: you should read the build instructions
13:40:22	idefx	yeah, i run linux
13:40:30	PsycoXul	idefx: it looks to me like you can configure from within the tools directory
13:40:33	Bagder	idefx: yes, you use strtok() which is badness
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13:40:43	PsycoXul	err
13:40:47	PsycoXul	like you Ran not can
13:40:53	zodiac	should i try to format the hd?
13:41:16	PsycoXul	damn c's right next to the r
13:41:44	Bagder	we should make the configure script check if it gets run within that dir
13:41:48	idefx	PsycoXul:OK, i'm gonna try the good way.
13:41:50	Bagder	and abort if done so
13:43:37	Zagor	how nice of people to add whining comments to closed bugs :-)
13:43:48	Norrin	zodiac: can you access the jukebox via USB?
13:43:58	zodiac	yea
13:44:06	zodiac	but i cant do a scandisk
13:44:16	PsycoXul	so whats the word on the line-in DAC input
13:44:18	zodiac	it says scandisk could not be completed
13:44:30	Norrin	Do you have any filenames longer then 32 characters? This will cause a false HD error
13:44:35	PsycoXul	or should i just go rtfc :p
13:44:57	Norrin	does the archos.mod file exist in the root directory of the jukebox?
13:45:45	zodiac	i deleted it after i noticed the hd error
13:45:59	zodiac	but it didnt help :) still hd error
13:46:50	Norrin	try putting it back, wait about a minute, then try "Safely removing" the device.
13:47:16	zodiac	what if i format the hd now?
13:48:25	Norrin	Just read the Archos FAQ, it says you should format it with FAT32 to fix the error.
13:49:06	Norrin	http://www.archos.com/us/support/tech_jb6000_faq.html#u1
13:49:08	zodiac	k im gonna try that then, since i cant access it anymore
13:50:46	Norrin	Good luck.
13:50:54	idefx	well, as it worked with simulated version... Is there a strcasetr(char s1,char s2) equivalent ??
13:51:05	Bagder	no
13:51:34	zodiac	dang, now i cant even access it with usb
13:51:39	Bagder	now check my configure diff ;-)
13:52:06	Bagder	"I know better than you"-patch
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13:52:32	Zagor	Bagder: we should probably look for the FILES files too, so it's not ran in the apps/firmware/uisimulator dirs
13:52:52	Zagor	that's a common mistake
13:52:56	Bagder	it is?
13:53:00	Zagor	yes
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13:53:26	Zagor	or, uh, no
13:53:43	Zagor	the Makefiles should check that they are not ran directly. that's a common mistake
13:53:49	Bagder	ah, right
13:54:15	Bagder	originally I thought it was handy to allow that, in case you want to do something special
13:54:30	Bagder	but I guess people don't get my original intension ;-)
13:54:37	Zagor	i don't think so, it causes more confusion than good
13:54:53	Bagder	but the gnush-people must do it that way... :-/
13:55:00	Zagor	really?
13:55:05	Zagor	why?
13:55:16	Bagder	because windows-people don't fix their problems
13:55:25	Bagder	they suffer
13:55:56	Bagder	thw gnush makefiles are very similar to the real ones
13:56:15	idefx	well, as it worked with simulated version... Is there a strcasetr(char s1,char s2) equivalent ??
13:56:25	Bagder	no
13:56:37	Bagder	is there a simulated one?
13:57:08	idefx	Badger: Well, i succeeded in compile this stuff while i compiled it as normal.
13:57:20	idefx	so, yes, there is a simulated one.
13:57:28	Bagder	odd
13:57:34	idefx	So, i should my own strcasestr...
13:57:47	Bagder	where is that from? there's no standard function named like that
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13:58:49	idefx	Badger: not standard, but commonly implemented. It's like strstr, but case-insensitive.
13:59:10	Bagder	I realized that, but since you could link using that, it somehow is somewhere
13:59:20	*	Bagder runs on a meeting
13:59:44	idefx	yep, but i didn't compile the good way (running ./configure ; make from tools dir)
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14:00:07	Norrin	zodiac, any luck?
14:00:42	idefx	anyone can explain me what is the way to add a file, i mean, to get it well compiled ? i can't understand the makefiles
14:03:03	LinusN	idefx: just create the file, "make clean" and "make"
14:03:19	LinusN	the file must be added in either "firmware" or in "apps"
14:04:52	Norrin	Anyone know how to permanently remove the Jukebox drive from System Restore without disabling System Restore?
14:05:12	zodiac	norrin not really :) i still cant access it in both ways
14:05:24	*	Zagor assumes "System Restore" is some MSWin mumbo jumbo
14:05:33	datazone	heehee
14:05:45	Norrin	I have to turn off system restore for my Jukebox everytime I connect it to the USB.
14:06:03	Norrin	Zagor is right, System Restore is Windows XP mumbo jumbo
14:06:18	Norrin	More like Voodoo I think but what are ya gonna do?
14:06:22	Zagor	anyone feel like drawing an icon for *.wps files?
14:06:33	*	Zagor looks around for dwihno
14:07:57	idefx	LinusN: looks easy. Thanks
14:08:21	quelsaruk	Zagor: what kind of icon?
14:08:34	Zagor	quelsaruk: 6x8, for the dir browser
14:08:52	*	LinusN just found a very nasty ATA bug
14:08:59	Zagor	we also need a "firmware" icon soon
14:09:04	Zagor	LinusN: ah, what?
14:09:32	LinusN	a mutex_unlock in perform_soft_reset()
14:09:44	Zagor	boo!
14:10:04	*	LinusN is to blame
14:10:10	idefx	should i use strtok_r or strtok ??
14:11:33	quelsaruk	Zagor: any predefined idea, or just what my imagination wants to work?
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14:12:22	LinusN	i also found another not so nice "feature"
14:12:24	Zagor	quelsaruk: just anything. i don't have any idea for symbols
14:13:03	quelsaruk	i'll try so, but can't promise anything. If i like it, i'll send to you :)
14:13:26	langhaarrocker	I ran tools/configure (with cygwin) and got
14:13:26	langhaarrocker	27: Syntax error: "then" unexpected (expecting "}")
14:13:48	Zagor	quelsaruk: that's all I ask
14:13:53	Zagor	LinusN: what was that?
14:13:53	quelsaruk	:)
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14:14:06	LinusN	if the ata spindown timer timed out during an opendir(), the opendir fails
14:14:17	Zagor	how come?
14:14:23	LinusN	don't know yet
14:14:27	Zagor	ok
14:15:49	Bagder	langhaarrocker: ok, me check it
14:15:51	Bagder	out
14:16:37	langhaarrocker	Bagder: fine :)
14:17:34	Norrin	Zodiac: Can you tell me exactly how your hooking up your Jukebox? Not being able to see what your doing, need to know each step your taking.
14:17:40	langhaarrocker	Is that right that there now is no way for any dynamic memory usage? No way to build a dynamically growing list?
14:17:56	Zagor	langhaarrocker: correct
14:18:05	langhaarrocker	<sniff>
14:18:39	Zagor	I need to write a long FAQ about that...
14:19:21	datazone	linus....
14:20:31	>>>	"seen" used by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) [snoop prevented]
14:20:42	LinusN	yes
14:20:50	>>>	"whoami" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
14:20:57	>>>	"sview" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
14:20:58	datazone	you know what daddy needs :)
14:21:10	langhaarrocker	Zagor: not for me - I can imagine enough reasons for disabling dyn mem.
14:21:29	LinusN	datazone: did i miss something?
14:21:37	datazone	splashsound
14:21:40	LinusN	hahaha
14:23:27	quelsaruk	must go!
14:23:32	quelsaruk	see you later
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14:34:12	Bagder	ugha
14:34:14	Bagder	darned cvs
14:34:47	Zagor	Bagder: ?
14:35:02	Zagor	ooh, conflict
14:35:13	Zagor	why'dya check in that? ;)
14:35:15	Bagder	I got those darned conflict indicators in there
14:35:22	langhaarrocker	Has the dynamic memory topic been discussed in the mailing list? I didn't find anything useful at 1st attempt.
14:35:35	Zagor	langhaarrocker: it has, in the 200 dir limit discussion
14:35:43	zodiac	rofl, it works now
14:36:06	langhaarrocker	Zagor: Thanx, I'll check.
14:36:07	idefx	whye does the compiler says me:" undefined reference to `strtok'
14:36:21	Bagder	idefx: I told you
14:36:25	Bagder	there is no such function
14:36:35	Bagder	it is called strtok_r() in the target
14:36:43	Bagder	and is used a little differently
14:36:47	idefx	Badger: OK
14:37:08	idefx	Badger: sorry, but, you just told me that strtok is bad. ;)
14:37:23	Bagder	uh, sorry
14:37:31	Bagder	I'm not verbose enough at times
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14:42:12	idefx	you're welcome :)
14:42:29	Bagder	11 votes so far
14:43:36	idefx	Badger: how does strtok_r works please ??
14:44:05	Bagder	char *
14:44:05	Bagder	strtok_r(char ptr, const char sep, char **end)
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14:47:41	LinusN	Hes: are you there?
14:52:09	idefx	Badger: thanks
14:52:56	LinusN	Hes: you should try the latest ata.c to see if the skipping is gone
14:53:06	Hes	Ok
14:53:07	Hes	I will
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14:54:54	Zagor	yikes. have you seen the walmart $199 PC? hard to beat that price...
14:55:25	Bagder	whoa
14:55:59	Zagor	128 MB ram, 10 gig disk, 52x CDROM, Integrated 100mbit ethernet, Linux pre-installed
14:56:20	Zagor	computer, keyboard, mouse & speakers. no screen.
14:56:23	Bagder	800MHz celeron
14:56:37	Zagor	VIA C3 even
14:56:41	Bagder	ah, no "comparable to 800MHz celeron"
14:57:20	Bagder	amazing anyway
14:57:30	Zagor	yup
14:58:19	Zagor	"Games include Tron, Battleship, Poker, Minesweeper, Potato Guy" :-)
14:58:29	Zagor	can't live without Potato Guy
14:58:41	Bagder	they don't have wormlet! ;-)
14:58:46	Zagor	hehe
14:59:08	Zagor	we should write a breakout/pong soon. we need more action in the games! :)
14:59:34	Bagder	I agree
14:59:38	Bagder	I want a breakout
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15:02:23	idefx	Yes, another undefined reference for you guys: i have installed the rolo patch, and if i try to compile for simulation, i get an undefined reference (whiche i don't get in native compiling) to rolo_load_app
15:03:13	Bagder	rolo shouldn't be built like that when simulated
15:03:29	Bagder	we can't simulate rolo
15:04:06	Bagder	so... don't use the patch or fix the code :-)
15:04:13	Zagor	i'll fix rolo now
15:04:21	Bagder	neato
15:05:55	idefx	OK, thks
15:09:22	LinusN	hehe, using short ata timeouts is really fun
15:09:32	Zagor	LinusN: do you get it working ok?
15:09:50	LinusN	it seems to work a lot better, at least
15:10:02	Zagor	goodie
15:10:04	LinusN	but i never had skips
15:10:20	idefx	well, how do I use rolo ??
15:10:31	Zagor	idefx: it's not there yet
15:10:35	LinusN	but i tried with a short ata timeout before the fix and had a lot of opendir errors
15:10:48	LinusN	but not after the fix
15:10:53	Zagor	LinusN: sounds good
15:10:58	idefx	but i get a patch this afternoon, it doesn't work ?
15:11:20	LinusN	the problem is that the mpeg thread spins down the disk immediately, even if another thread uses ATA
15:11:20	Zagor	idefx: yes it does. just apply it and klick "play" on a firmware file
15:12:09	Zagor	LinusN: right. i couldn't come up with a good solution for that.
15:12:33	LinusN	maybe some kind of "grace period" after an ata access
15:12:42	LinusN	i don't know
15:13:15	Zagor	i was thinking that too, but it didn't feel right
15:13:49	LinusN	or some kind of an "ata session" concept
15:13:59	LinusN	to tell when you'r done
15:14:20	LinusN	start session. read....read...read...end session
15:14:26	Zagor	ugh, can't say that makes my heart sing either... :-)
15:14:33	idefx	well, i may not be very good, i can't find where/when i can press play on a firmware..
15:14:35	LinusN	hehe, mine neither
15:14:55	LinusN	idefx: turn off the m3u/mp3 filter
15:15:38	idefx	LinusN: Whow ! this stuff is impressive !
15:17:07	LinusN	the rolo?
15:17:31	idefx	yep.
15:17:47	LinusN	yeah, it's cool
15:18:00	LinusN	i hope zagor can merge that patch soon
15:18:01	idefx	this is what i waited for a few mounth to definitly install rockbox in my archos.
15:18:13	LinusN	chicken :-)
15:18:57	idefx	nice to wait till everything works well!
15:19:02	LinusN	idefx: out of curiosity, what is lacking in rockbox that makes you want to load the original? recording?
15:19:37	idefx	recording.
15:19:55	LinusN	idefx: if everyone waited until everything worked well, we would never have found any bugs
15:20:22	Bagder	we can't complain on the bravery of people
15:20:29	LinusN	not at all
15:20:49	LinusN	especially dwihno, still our hero
15:20:55	Bagder	hhe
15:21:01	LinusN	it was him, wasn't it?
15:21:08	Bagder	yes it was
15:21:16	Bagder	first ever recorder rockbox
15:21:45	LinusN	nobody had tested it before, and he tried it on his second day as an Archos owner
15:22:11	Bagder	grep -c archos200 /var/log/httpd/rockbox-access_log
15:22:11	Bagder	3259
15:22:33	Bagder	daily builds
15:22:38	LinusN	woo
15:22:40	Zagor	ah
15:22:43	Zagor	coolers
15:23:01	Bagder	those daily builds have turned out really useful
15:23:08	idefx	mainly
15:23:08	idefx	perhaps a lack of stability last time i tried (rockbox 1)
15:23:08	idefx	LinusN: that's why i'm coding the function of my dream: a seeking function
15:23:08	DBUG	Enqueued KICK idefx
15:23:08	idefx	LinusN: i wasn't waiting, i could'nt find time to code. And i shouldn't code now too, for i have a flat to find ;)
15:25:15	idefx	LinusN: And his archos is still alive ?
15:25:22	LinusN	oh yeah
15:25:35	idefx	So it is a hero, but not a martyr.
15:25:41	Bagder	hahaha
15:25:41	LinusN	:-)
15:25:42	Bagder	right
15:25:54	Bagder	there's a very subtle difference :-)
15:26:31	idefx	it's good for us that there is no rockbox martyr (yet), this way, people can believe that we are not a sect
15:26:52	LinusN	zodiac seems close to becoming the first rockbox martyr... :-)
15:27:21	LinusN	or rather WinXP martyr...
15:27:37	idefx	then he won't be the first one i'm affraid...
15:28:35	Bagder	no
15:28:46	Bagder	windows people often lose their fat due to bad disconnects
15:29:18	LinusN	gotta go now! bye!
15:29:23	Bagder	bye LinusN
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15:29:29	idefx	well, windows and weight-watchers shound merge..
15:29:43	Bagder	B-]
15:30:50	Bagder	Zagor: red build red build
15:31:14	Zagor	oops
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15:33:19	zodiac	later all :)
15:33:27	Bagder	bye zodiac
15:33:45	zodiac	no martyr here, it runs fine again btw :)
15:34:15	idefx	Yep !
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15:35:00	idefx	i have a segfault using strtok_r. anyone can tell me what is the end ptr and how to use it ?
15:35:31	Bagder	idefx: check firmware/common/dir.c for an example
15:35:39	idefx	Bagder : thks !
15:37:15	idefx	Bagder wonderful, i have understand my mistake !
15:37:24	Bagder	goddie
15:46:20	idefx	Hehe, my patch works now !!!
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15:50:11	bobTHC	hi everybody!
15:50:15	Bagder	hey bobTHC
15:50:23	idefx	heu... It's quiete slow in the true device... but, it may works ;')
15:50:28	idefx	I have to go, bye
15:50:34	Bagder	bye idefx
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16:15:47	bobTHC	why the new features request on sourceforge aren't mailed like it's used to be ?
16:16:06	Bagder	they're mailed to the rockbox-sf mailing list
16:16:19	Bagder	you need to subscribe to it to get them
16:16:38	bobTHC	escuse me....
16:16:43	bobTHC	sorry
16:17:00	Bagder	no problemo
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16:28:06	bobTHC	a lot of ppl already vote fot the tshirt contest?
16:28:09	Bagder	oh, office meeting tonight
16:28:23	Bagder	11 votes
16:28:31	bobTHC	12 with mine ;)
16:28:37	Bagder	:-)
16:29:31	bobTHC	I view a lot of "just in time" design submission....
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16:29:50	quelsaruk	hi
16:29:53	alkorr	i prefer not to vote. Voting for me is too hard especially some can be mixed for better design
16:30:24	bobTHC	I'm ok with u alkorr mixed can be a good deal..
16:31:37	Bagder	well I still want to know which one(s) people prefer ;-)
16:34:47	quelsaruk	hey.. someone has created a german version...
16:34:49	quelsaruk	arggg
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16:45:53	Bagder	hey dwihno
16:45:54	quelsaruk	Bagder:if i can remember, we spoke about multi-language support here, at the channel, so maybe if you have the log you could post it at the mail-list.
16:46:15	Bagder	I posted my suggestion back then as well
16:46:16	dwihno	Hi Bagder!
16:46:24	Bagder	and I replied now with a pointer to that posting
16:46:40	quelsaruk	ok
16:46:40	quelsaruk	:)
16:47:08	Bagder	I understand people want other languages supported
16:47:21	quelsaruk	i have nearly finished multi-language support at compile-time
16:47:49	Bagder	I gotta go now, see ya
16:47:50	quelsaruk	i had some problems with the cross compiler
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16:47:54	quelsaruk	bye
16:50:00	dwihno	Btw, leaving the configuration menu with the left button also restarts the current track
16:50:15	Zagor	dwihno: fix coming up
16:50:33	dwihno	Zagor: Ah, joy :D
16:50:42	Zagor	committed
16:50:57	dwihno	Darn! That's what I'd call a quick fix!
16:51:15	quelsaruk	hehehe
16:51:18	dwihno	"If you want to order YOUR quick fix, just call 1-800-FIXFIX - it's on sale for only 9.99!"
16:51:20	quelsaruk	that happens to me also
16:51:39	dwihno	sync with cvs
16:53:44	dwihno	Is it possible to get newlines in the custom WPS? :)
16:53:57	dwihno	%?d2<%d2\|(root)>
16:53:57	dwihno	%d1
16:53:57	dwihno	%s%fn
16:53:57	dwihno	%pr (%pt) [%pp:%pe]
16:54:00	dwihno	this is how mine looks
16:54:11	Zagor	dwihno: no
16:54:17	dwihno	sniff :~)
16:54:18	Zagor	the wps is handled line-by-line
16:54:32	Zagor	most newline cases can be handled by conditional tags
16:54:59	dwihno	I stayed up until 2am trying to solve it last night
16:55:05	dwihno	then I gave up
16:55:11	Zagor	hehe
16:55:40	dwihno	Maybe you can help me out with a trick or two :)
16:55:50	dwihno	My dir structure is a bit like this:
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16:56:07	dwihno	/Dance/Artist - album/01. track.mp3
16:56:25	dwihno	I also want it to parse /Dance/Artist - track.mp3 and still not making everything ugly
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16:57:45	dwihno	but it still works
16:57:50	dwihno	so I'm not complaining
16:57:51	dwihno	;)
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16:59:51	dwihno	Zagor: the time display should also be removed allowing the custom WPS to hide it :)
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17:00:42	marvincbr	where can i find info on the daily builbs
17:00:47	marvincbr	builds
17:00:57	dwihno	Pressing left still to exit the menu still restarts the current track
17:01:05	Ctcp	Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 22 minutes at the last flood
17:01:05	*	dwihno - the official pain in the ass
17:01:10	dwihno	(official sidekick of the codepolice) ;)
17:01:30	Zagor	buh, of course it does. /me silly
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17:02:03	dwihno	Hey, I got a job interview tomorrow :D
17:02:09	dwihno	hooray for me (or something like that)
17:03:29	dwihno	Trolla the time display away too ;)
17:07:18	Zagor	gotta go. see you later
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17:07:24	dwihno	cul8r
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17:25:45	bobTHC	dexter : un francais d'outre mer!
17:29:00	quelsaruk	dwihno: are you triyng to make an icon for *.wps ?
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17:46:49	dwihno	quelsaruk: what icon?
17:47:59	*	dwihno looks like a question mark
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17:52:04	quelsaruk	dwihno: before, when you were away, zagor asked if anyone could make an icon for *.wps files
17:52:12	quelsaruk	and he looked to you
17:52:13	quelsaruk	:)
17:52:33	quelsaruk	i said that i could try, but i don't get any idea for the icon
17:53:15	dwihno	heh
17:53:24	*	dwihno - font & gfx slave ;)
17:53:47	dwihno	what resolutions are the icons?
17:53:49	dwihno	8x8?
17:53:54	quelsaruk	6x8
17:54:01	quelsaruk	too small
17:54:02	quelsaruk	:)
17:54:05	dwihno	naaah :)
17:54:10	dwihno	nothing is too small
17:54:14	dwihno	1x1 might be ;)
17:54:17	quelsaruk	jajajja
17:54:19	quelsaruk	maybe
17:54:22	quelsaruk	i have an idea
17:55:10	quelsaruk	i don't know the english word, maybe you can imagine what i want to say with "clave de Sol"??
17:55:21	dwihno	erhm
17:55:28	quelsaruk	it's the symbol of rockbox
17:55:29	dwihno	baguette con keso, por favor?
17:55:33	dwihno	siempre ibama
17:55:37	dwihno	a G-clave?
17:55:45	quelsaruk	i suppose
17:55:52	dwihno	That's only good for music files :)
17:56:11	quelsaruk	but how can you represent the wps in a 6x8?
17:56:24	quelsaruk	it must be related with display and music...
17:56:26	quelsaruk	i suppose
17:56:46	dwihno	display + custimizability
17:56:48	quelsaruk	(i'm good making 100x70cm posters, but not tiny things)
17:57:09	dwihno	I'm good making silly stuff
17:57:33	quelsaruk	:)
17:57:51	pimlottc	icons are 5x7 for player
17:57:52	dwihno	Hence my T-shirt productions ;)
17:58:15	quelsaruk	which one is yours?
17:58:42	dwihno	those with the "Magnus �man" stamp :)
17:58:46	quelsaruk	ok
17:58:50	quelsaruk	i'l look at them
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18:03:07	bobTHC	nice evil...
18:03:47	dwihno	the devil'ish thingy?
18:06:53	bobTHC	yep
18:07:36	bobTHC	what u think bout 5 ?
18:09:15	dwihno	pretty neat :)
18:10:54	bobTHC	just neat? ;)
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18:10:57	dwihno	damn it's hard to make a icon that small
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18:16:14	quelsaruk	i told you dwihno!!
18:17:27	bobTHC	u want to make a G-clave on 5x7 ?
18:17:33	quelsaruk	no
18:17:34	quelsaruk	:)
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18:18:07	Norrin	Customized WPS rocks. Awesome addition!
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18:22:36	Norrin	Quick question, where can I find information about the FF/Rewind Accel? What does the 2x mean?
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18:26:31	quelsaruk	dwihno: where are you from?
18:26:55	Dexter	who speak french please ?!!!
18:27:09	quelsaruk	Dexter: not me :(
18:28:28	bobTHC	me
18:28:39	bobTHC	moi dexter
18:29:44	quelsaruk	multi-language support seems to work :)
18:29:56	quelsaruk	i hope i can finish it today!
18:34:15	bobTHC	somebody already try to compil on Cygwin with winXP?
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18:34:54	alkorr	yep me
18:35:11	bobTHC	and that's work?
18:35:14	alkorr	yep
18:36:11	bobTHC	alkor go private with dexter he want some help in french ... ;)
18:36:54	alkorr	no problemo
18:38:07	dwihno	quelsaruk: sweden
18:39:14	quelsaruk	ok dwihno, it was to know which languages to try to include to the firmware for tomorrow :)
18:39:32	quelsaruk	but as i said.. just try ;)
18:40:41	bobTHC	quelsaruk : it's a translation utility for the code or just a sweden patch ? sorry if i miss a line...
18:41:21	bobTHC	french!
18:41:51	bobTHC	quelsaruk : french
18:42:26	quelsaruk	it's a compile-time language selector
18:42:32	quelsaruk	it's just a test
18:42:37	bobTHC	ok nice
18:42:57	quelsaruk	if zagor likes, i suppose you can even download your language firmware from the website
18:43:26	quelsaruk	CVS is a great advance :)
18:43:30	bobTHC	I'm volonteer for french version
18:44:11	quelsaruk	adding a language will only need to change some macros, so don't worry :)
18:44:35	quelsaruk	i suppose everyone will have the chance to help, but just if the big boss likes the idea
18:44:37	quelsaruk	:)
18:44:43	bobTHC	just for the word translation i understand
18:46:15	bobTHC	yep we already talk about translation and it's ok but after its a question of "how to" and he's perahps not agree with ure method
18:46:16	Dexter	good idea !!
18:46:27	alkorr	just a question, if you have a girl friend who only speaks french and you only spanish, how can I lend my jukebox ?
18:46:36	quelsaruk	jaja
18:46:38	quelsaruk	using rolo
18:46:42	quelsaruk	or calling me
18:46:46	quelsaruk	XDD
18:47:15	quelsaruk	i spoke this zagor, bagder and someone else, and this was the best solution.. but just in teory
18:47:16	bobTHC	1-800-MULTILANG !
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18:47:33	alkorr	bob :)
18:48:25	quelsaruk	well, i must go!
18:48:30	bobTHC	bye
18:48:44	alkorr	tsch�ss !
18:48:50	quelsaruk	see you tomorrow
18:49:03	bobTHC	C U!
18:49:09	quelsaruk	and let see what the great men say :)
18:49:21	bobTHC	always
18:49:29	quelsaruk	always?
18:49:47	alkorr	beware, big brothers are watching you with IRC logs !!!! ;)
18:49:51	bobTHC	never break the rule... to see what the great men say
18:50:00	quelsaruk	jajaja
18:50:00	quelsaruk	ok
18:50:02	quelsaruk	see you
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18:50:34	bobTHC	It' really a international dev team...
18:50:53	alkorr	multi-racial
18:51:25	alkorr	i'm ironic of coures
18:51:39	bobTHC	multi os too ;)
18:52:01	Norrin	Hello Rockbox experts, where can I find info on the FF/Rewind Accel function? I can adjust the seconds but what is the 2x for?
18:52:17	alkorr	not my skills
18:52:54	bobTHC	2x i don't use it but i suppose it's 2x the original speed
18:53:36	bobTHC	for a 10sec ff press button durin 5 sec
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18:54:08	Norrin	So the 2x/5s is actually a 10sec setting?
18:55:38	bobTHC	i don't no but i think so (some ppl use very long audiobook mp3) and the previous setting are too short so perhaps he add the 2x..
18:55:54	bobTHC	it'sonly supposition
18:56:35	bobTHC	anybody more efficient ? ;)
18:56:56	bobTHC	C U later!
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19:30:21	Jet8810	hey guys
19:30:34	Jet8810	what do I need to do to get archos studio 20 to work in mandrake 8.2?
19:37:13	alkorr	to recompile the kernel with USB and ISD200 on
19:38:02	Jet8810	alright thanks
19:38:20	alkorr	unless there is already compiled modules for that
19:38:28	Jet8810	yea im not sure
19:38:33	Jet8810	i am a new linux guy :)
19:38:37	Jet8810	first time ever using it so.
19:38:39	Jet8810	.............
19:39:03	alkorr	ah yes, not an easy task :/
19:41:00	Jet8810	hehe
19:42:28	alkorr	it is a long time since I didn't recompile linux, I know there is "make xmenu' or something like to launch the kernel setup windows under X
19:42:58	alkorr	just look at USB part and found what it must be check for ISD200 drivers
19:44:13	alkorr	once setup is done, well type "make" then "make modules" then "make install install_modules" and it should be okay I think
19:44:38	alkorr	you must be familiar with DOS-commands i think
19:44:57	alkorr	i mean DIS-like commands
19:45:00	datazone	Jet8810: am, it probably has that support in there already
19:45:02	alkorr	DOS-like
19:45:04	datazone	do a "lsmod"
19:45:19	alkorr	yes good idea
19:45:29	Jet8810	yea
19:45:32	datazone	or a "dmesg" after you plug in and turned on your jukebox
19:45:34	datazone	it will show it
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20:28:44	Snorlax	u wanna know something kewl?!?!
20:28:49	Bagder	sure!
20:29:17	Snorlax	the bassist in the great punk band Green Day has got a jukebox recorder!
20:29:26	Snorlax	probably rockbox!
20:30:15	Snorlax	weheej!
20:30:28	Bagder	heheh
20:30:30	Snorlax	he's famous man!
20:31:32	Bagder	does that make us semi-famous now? B-]
20:32:21	Snorlax	you're practicly on MTV!
20:32:23	Snorlax	=)
20:32:29	Bagder	woooo
20:35:54	Hes	Snorlax: wow. How do you know? 8-)
20:36:19	Snorlax	I saw it on MTV, some tour spacial with Green Day!
20:36:31	Hes	cool.
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20:51:49	pimlottc	now you have to email him about rockbox
20:52:04	pimlottc	then when he switches put a quote up on the page :)
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21:28:59	WS64	Hello :)
21:30:35	pimlottc	hey
21:30:55	WS64	pimlottc, did you get my messages?
21:31:09	pimlottc	yeah
21:31:13	pimlottc	where's the file again
21:31:19	WS64	http://www.ws64.com/archos/ArchosUnlock.exe
21:32:20	pimlottc	dling
21:32:55	WS64	That should put it into the IRC log files, so even if the actual version is not okay (but I guess it is) at THAT URL there will be a working version soon
21:33:13	pimlottc	heh
21:33:51	Snorlax	what does that archosunlock file do?
21:34:21	WS64	Snorlax, a windows program to create a Linux boot disk to unlock the Archos
21:34:46	WS64	Should help with http://rockbox.haxx.se/lock.html
21:34:50	pimlottc	at least that's the idea, not sure if it works yet
21:35:05	Snorlax	k =)
21:37:35	Snorlax	what is ws64?!?
21:38:00	WS64	Initials and birthyear. And I'm NOT William Shakespeare g
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21:38:16	pimlottc	will smith?
21:38:23	elinenbe	hello there.
21:38:31	WS64	Was he born in 64 too?
21:38:36	WS64	Hi elinenbe
21:38:57	pimlottc	I wasn't aware Shakespeare was
21:39:33	WS64	pimlottc, he was... Just a different century g
21:40:14	pimlottc	ha, nice
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22:12:24	elinenbe	hi merwin
22:12:47	merwin	hey elinenbe
22:12:49	merwin	sup?
22:12:54	elinenbe	nothing much.
22:13:08	elinenbe	just paing around with the new WPS stuff.
22:13:14	elinenbe	s/paying/paying
22:13:17	elinenbe	s/paying/playing
22:13:19	elinenbe	ug!
22:13:58	merwin	I haven't had a chance yet to play with it
22:14:00	merwin	looks really good though
22:14:01	WS64	No paying options on rockbox g
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22:14:31	merwin	that's definately taking my custom wps to the next level :-)
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22:20:29	*	KmdrTaco offers mad props to the rockbox developers.
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22:21:39	KmdrTaco	I just got my archos a few days ago, and was pleased to see a project well underway to replace its system.
22:23:19	KmdrTaco	Does rockbox has the ability to shuffle the entire contents of the archos into a monster playlist?
22:24:58	dwihno	no, but it's planned for 1.4
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22:25:14	dwihno	well, if you have it as a single playlist, you can do it with 1.3
22:25:22	dwihno	but no auto-building of playlists yet.
22:27:19	KmdrTaco	ls -R > monster_playlist.m3u
22:27:19	KmdrTaco	I guess that'll do for now ;)
22:28:00	KmdrTaco	The only feature I desire is the ability to delete tracks from the unit.
22:28:01	KmdrTaco	But thats 1.5 I s'pose ;)
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22:31:45	CmdrTaco	Your feature request list on SF is scarier than mine ;)
22:32:31	elinenbe	what is your's?
22:33:42	CmdrTaco	http://sourceforge.net/projects/slashcode/
22:34:27	elinenbe	ah... it is you
22:34:34	elinenbe	that is what I figured.
22:34:41	elinenbe	you went to MSU −− right?
22:34:45	CmdrTaco	nope.
22:34:56	CmdrTaco	Although I currently live 10 minutes from UofM.
22:35:10	dwihno	UFO? :D
22:35:11	elinenbe	ah... that is where I spent the past 10 years.
22:35:15	dwihno	CmdrTaco: Hello computer!
22:35:20	elinenbe	sorry s/10/7
22:35:29	elinenbe	where are you at?
22:35:31	*	CmdrTaco loves ann arbor.
22:35:35	CmdrTaco	I'm in Dexter actually.
22:35:40	elinenbe	I was a CE major in AA
22:35:42	elinenbe	Dexter!
22:35:48	elinenbe	play much frisbee golf?
22:36:01	elinenbe	aren't you one of the founders of slashdot?
22:36:15	CmdrTaco	I don't go outside, so frisbee golf is right out.
22:36:26	CmdrTaco	I guess Slashdot is my fault, yeah.
22:36:32	elinenbe	not even to A&W?
22:36:36	elinenbe	;)
22:36:52	elinenbe	so, you made a killing on it a few years back −− right ;)
22:36:53	CmdrTaco	There are at least 5 places to eat in Dexter besides A&W ;)
22:37:00	elinenbe	Dexter Pub
22:37:04	elinenbe	Dairy QAUeen
22:37:07	CmdrTaco	My office is very close to the pub.
22:37:15	CmdrTaco	We eat there about once a week :)
22:37:20	elinenbe	Cousins Heritage Inn
22:37:28	elinenbe	is that your main thing −− slashdot?
22:37:29	CmdrTaco	Cousins is overpriced and not that great.
22:37:32	elinenbe	etc.
22:37:40	CmdrTaco	Yeah, I do Slashdot full time.
22:37:40	elinenbe	the Bakery
22:37:48	CmdrTaco	I've never bought anything at the bakery.
22:37:56	elinenbe	sounds like you got lucky and are having fun.,
22:37:58	elinenbe	that's cool
22:38:14	CmdrTaco	There's also Wings 'n Things, The Alley, Mary T's, Cottage Inn, and Clocktower.
22:38:23	elinenbe	put a story up on slashdot about rockbox. I am just one of the very minor developers.
22:38:28	CmdrTaco	"Killing" is relative.
22:38:42	CmdrTaco	I'll probably post something about rockbox sooner or later.
22:38:50	elinenbe	more press = better
22:38:57	elinenbe	I am now in NYC
22:38:58	CmdrTaco	I left my USB cable @ the office, so I won't have a chance to test it until tomorrow afternoon.
22:39:05	elinenbe	working for exponent
22:39:12	elinenbe	have you ever tried rockbox?
22:39:27	CmdrTaco	I only discovered it like 60 minutes ago ;)
22:39:41	elinenbe	ug... there WAS a story on your site about it about release 1.0
22:39:46	elinenbe	it was very immature then.
22:39:51	CmdrTaco	I didn't have an archos then :)
22:40:06	laotan	did you just get one?
22:40:15	CmdrTaco	I really want to be able to delete tracks, and shuffle all my MP3s.
22:40:18	elinenbe	well, you will never use the archos firmware again.
22:40:20	CmdrTaco	Thats all I want :)
22:40:29	CmdrTaco	laotan: I got one last week.
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22:40:30	elinenbe	well, give it time and you will get it.
22:40:37	dwihno	Yay! Bagder is back!
22:40:40	CmdrTaco	I wanted a car MP3 player, and it was bang/buck the best.
22:40:42	Bagder	hey ho
22:40:43	*	laotan just got one too.. was delighted to find rockbox
22:40:50	elinenbe	Badger... CmdrTaco is badmouthing you ;)
22:41:01	*	CmdrTaco has been called worse by better.
22:41:01	Bagder	?
22:41:17	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: couldn't you get the empeg player (riocar)
22:41:24	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: that is one nice piece of kit
22:41:32	elinenbe	Badger: I am just kidding.
22:41:33	CmdrTaco	I had a riocar but it didn't work in my car, so I gave it to Jamie.
22:41:37	fragglet	that isnt really CmdrTaco surely
22:41:39	CmdrTaco	Its really sweet.
22:42:00	CmdrTaco	Hugo (from Rio, previously from empeg) gave me one of the original units.
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22:42:05	CmdrTaco	Its really awesome.
22:42:09	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: oooohhh... Jamie. (that explains nothing)
22:42:15	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: Hugo is a nice guy too.
22:42:21	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: quite helpful.
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22:42:34	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: the version II units are much better though.
22:42:34	CmdrTaco	elinenbe: jamie works for me. Posts on Slashdot. Writes much of the moderation code.
22:42:51	CmdrTaco	I bet. The empeg was rough, but it was 1.5 years ahead of everyone else.
22:43:13	CmdrTaco	I wished it fit in my car.
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22:43:21	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: ah... (about jamie) −− it still is 1.5 years ahead of anything else, but that is the problem.
22:43:23	CmdrTaco	but the archos looks good.
22:43:29	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: what car do you have?
22:43:34	*	CmdrTaco has an audi.
22:43:51	fragglet	heh there was that slashdot article about mp3 players for joggers
22:43:53	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: you've been spoiled by the .com
22:44:02	CmdrTaco	elinenbe: Don't I wish :)
22:44:11	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: where did you go to school?
22:44:15	fragglet	everyone recommended archos without paying attention to the fact that it said "for jogging"
22:44:15	CmdrTaco	Hope College.
22:44:20		Nick Zagor\|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
22:44:24	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: oh.
22:44:27	Bagder	hey Z
22:44:31	CmdrTaco	I don't think the archos is a good idea for Jogging. That seems like suicide.
22:44:34	Zagor	hi B
22:44:35	fragglet	yeah
22:44:41	CmdrTaco	For walking ok ;)
22:44:41	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: it really isn't.
22:44:53	fragglet	iirc the documentation explicitely says dont use it for jogging
22:45:00	elinenbe	Bagder & Zagor: CmdrTaco is one of the founders of Slashdot.
22:45:25	Bagder	rockbox is now ranked 53 on sourceforge
22:45:28	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: Bagder (not Badger) and Zagor are two of the founders of the projects...
22:45:29	Zagor	elinenbe: umm, I know. I don't really live under a rock, you know :-)
22:45:47	elinenbe	Zagor: Sweden is close though :)
22:45:51	*	elinenbe hides
22:45:53	Zagor	lol
22:46:14	elinenbe	great work on the projec this past weekend.
22:46:33	Zagor	so what is this? I'm away for, what, 4 hours and no new commits? you lazy bums!
22:47:01	elinenbe	when do you think rolo will get rolled (bad pun) into the CVS?
22:47:11	fragglet	heh rolo
22:47:14	fragglet	do you have rolos in america
22:47:17	*	CmdrTaco starts wandering through to code looking to add a delete function to delete MP3s from the HD.
22:47:18	Zagor	elinenbe: pretty soon. i'm working on it right now
22:47:24	CmdrTaco	fragglet: Rolos are a hole role of smiles.
22:47:38	Bagder	CmdrTaco: hehe, you better add proper fat code for that first ;-)
22:47:42	fragglet	hmmm
22:47:42	Zagor	CmdrTaco: we can't do that right now. the FAT32 driver has no write support. I'll be adding that this week.
22:47:51	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: there is no Fat32 file write yet.
22:47:52	*	CmdrTaco curses.
22:48:00	fragglet	i think i just experienced the patented cmdrtaco spelling (tm)
22:48:01	elinenbe	fragglet: yes.
22:48:09	fragglet	;)
22:48:19	Bagder	Zagor: I'm pretty surely going off my current project this week, meaning more serious rockbox time soon
22:48:22	*	CmdrTaco has no patent pending on mispelling homonyms.
22:48:29	Zagor	Bagder: ooh, nice!
22:48:38	elinenbe	Bagder: I am going to change the mp3/m3u filter to include .wps
22:48:49	Zagor	elinenbe: no, don't do that
22:48:52	elinenbe	why not?
22:49:05	Bagder	I'm not so sure about that either
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22:49:25	Zagor	because we'll add .mod and .ajz support too soon and after that *.txt and who-knows-what
22:49:42	Bagder	yes, and it is called mp3/m3u-filter for a reason ;-)
22:49:51	Zagor	the mp3/m3u filter is for those who just want to use the mp3 player features, and not care about all the other stuff
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22:50:02	elinenbe	Zagor: got it.
22:50:03	Mode	"#rockbox +o Zagor " by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se)
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22:50:25	elinenbe	Zagor: what about another filter for all defined file types?
22:50:37	fragglet	.txt support?
22:50:46	Bagder	fragglet: it is only a matter of time...
22:50:51	elinenbe	that way when .mod .ajz .wps, etc are added then you can just turn that on for those types.
22:50:54	fragglet	what are you going to do, have the archos read the words in the file?
22:50:59	Zagor	elinenbe: for what purpose? you're not likely to have zillions of unsupported files on your archos, are you?
22:51:18	elinenbe	Zagor: I do use it quite a bit as a portable drive.
22:51:18	fragglet	thats the ultimate compression i suppose
22:51:33	fragglet	just teach your computer to sing/play guitar/etc
22:51:42	Bagder	fragglet: I think a text viewer would be more useful ;-)
22:52:10	*	CmdrTaco demands a jpg viewer that works w/ the player.
22:52:11	elinenbe	i love the button cache clearing stuff... VERY nice.
22:52:24	Zagor	elinenbe: yeah, but you put that in a special dir. I still don't see a reason for second filter. either you want "just the muzak" or you probably are happy to see everything
22:52:31	fragglet	the archos is designed for listening to music not looking at porn damnit
22:52:38	Zagor	CmdrTaco: i'll be happy to review your patch submission ;-)
22:52:50	*	CmdrTaco laughs.
22:52:59	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: I think someone was working on viewing bmps encoded in ID3v2 tags on the screen ;)
22:53:04	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: player or recorder?
22:53:15	Bagder	showing bmps is already supported
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22:53:20	Bagder	more or less
22:53:27	elinenbe	CmdrTaco: you do it for the player, and I will buy you lunch ;)
22:53:30	CmdrTaco	No technology is adopted by the mainstream until it can be used for pornography (the internet, the VCR, DVD, etc etc :)
22:53:32	Zagor	the bummer is scaling it down from 8 to 1 bits
22:53:47	Zagor	CmdrTaco: we can play the moans... :)
22:54:10	elinenbe	If you can get it to view bmps encoded in ID3v2 tags that would be phenominal.
22:54:45	Zagor	elinenbe: we need to rework the id3 code first, to handle such large id3v2 tags
22:54:54	Bagder	we have the code to convert bmp to internal "icon format"
22:55:08	Bagder	just some tweaks needed ;-)
22:55:44	*	Bagder is annoyed by the "no constant backlight when on mains" bug report
22:56:16	*	Bagder will close it
22:56:49	Zagor	Bagder: rightly so. it's a feature request, not a bug.
22:56:55	Bagder	yes
22:57:11	elinenbe	Badger & Zagor: what about resizing it to the screen?
22:57:13	Bagder	and he did file it as a feature-request as well
22:57:25	fragglet	perhaps you should just leave it how it is and save the environment as well as battery power
22:57:27	Bagder	elinenbe: that'll need some thinking ;-)
22:58:36	elinenbe	Badger & Zagor: it is obvious how badly this firmware is needed with the popularity that it has on sourceforge.
22:58:45	Zagor	elinenbe: scrolling it is a better first attempt, imho
22:58:47	elinenbe	Badger & Zagor: why is Archos so blind?
22:58:57	elinenbe	Zagor: good idea.
22:59:12	Bagder	Archos isn't blind, they're just ignorant
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22:59:22	merwin	anyone up?
22:59:26	merwin	minor problem
22:59:30	*	Zagor is way up
22:59:34	*	Bagder is UUUUP
22:59:36	*	elinenbe is high up.
22:59:45	merwin	The Custom WPS for me only displays the first line
22:59:48	Bagder	give us a tricky one to crak ;-)
22:59:58	*	Bagder can't spell, but you know that
22:59:59	elinenbe	the new custom WPS is nice.
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23:00:07	*	merwin agrees it is nice, but i need 2 lines :)
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23:00:47	dwihno	The time display on recorder should be removed.
23:00:52	elinenbe	Badger & Zagor: are you guys having problems with the loadable fonts?
23:01:11	Zagor	merwin: upload your wps file somewhere so we can have a look
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23:01:19	Zagor	elinenbe: i don't use it :-)
23:01:19	*	merwin solved his own problem.
23:01:26	Bagder	elinenbe: I'm only using them on the simulator, and there it seems to work
23:01:38	merwin	Zagor: bug... right now there needs to be a LF after each line... shouldn't require an LF at the last line
23:02:04	Zagor	merwin: ah
23:03:59	*	merwin uses %s%pp/%pe: %?it<%?ia<[%ia] - %it>\|%fn>
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23:04:17	elinenbe	Badger: does not work on the target −− at least not on mine!
23:04:54	Bagder	I guess we should force Zagor to try it on target with gdb then
23:05:18	elinenbe	Badger: yes! yes!
23:07:05	Zagor	i only have gdb on my player, unfortunately. but i'll do some digging.
23:07:18	elinenbe	WOW! I was just submitting the EXACT same commit that was just committed at the exact same time!
23:10:06	merwin	elinenbe: you mean CUSTOM_WPS_FORMAT change?
23:10:42	elinenbe	yeah.
23:10:54	Bagder	Zagor: we should probably try to decide something in the mutiple language issue soon
23:11:32	merwin	Bagder: some sort of file that has a bunch of STRING=blah blah in it would work
23:11:42	merwin	mylanguage.lng
23:11:50	elinenbe	in /.rockbox
23:12:06	Zagor	elinenbe: that requires dynamic handling, which messes up A LOT
23:12:16	Zagor	compile-time language will come first
23:12:21	Bagder	we should have the strings in a data file and generate whatever format we want
23:12:31	Zagor	yes
23:12:43	*	merwin needs to head into work for a couple hours, bbiaf
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23:12:50	rwood	i traced through the Archos firmware - they have a table for each message with language as an offset - very memory expensive
23:13:10	elinenbe	rwood: VERY nice rolo patch :)
23:13:14	elinenbe	I LIKE IT!
23:13:20	rwood	elinenbe: thanks
23:15:11	dwihno	I haven't tried it
23:15:14	dwihno	is it cool?
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23:16:52	elinenbe	bug: %pp : Playlist Position when the playing in a directory and the directory is shuffled shows the actual track in the playlist. It does not show the actual position of the file in the directory. I think it should.
23:16:53	idefx	Hi, what is the way to get the path of a DIR struct ?
23:17:18	Bagder	idefx: remember it
23:17:25	Zagor	elinenbe: we don't have that info
23:17:43	Bagder	elinenbe: yes, but we have no proper storage of the orginal number
23:18:15	elinenbe	hmmm....
23:18:20	Zagor	idefx: about your search feature, you should create a database while the disk is connected to the PC and then use that database to search in. searching each file is too slow on target.
23:18:20	idefx	Bagder: from one function to another ?
23:18:37	Bagder	idefx: however you want, you can't get the path from the DIR struct
23:18:50	idefx	Zagor: my stuff is nearly ready; i will test it.
23:19:01	idefx	Bagder: no way ?
23:19:26	elinenbe	are you guys considering the multiple line scroll patch?
23:19:47	Zagor	elinenbe: not at this very moment, no :-)
23:20:03	rwood	is there a way to tell if the mp3 decoder is active on the player - playing and not paused?
23:20:30	elinenbe	Zagor: why is that?
23:20:37	idefx	So, Bagder, any way to get the full_path of an entry ?
23:20:43	Zagor	elinenbe: no reason, just busy with other things
23:20:48	idefx	i mean, of a dirent
23:20:56	Bagder	idefx: there is no way, read what I type
23:21:15	elinenbe	I am currently going through it right now. Would it be a problem if it was committed?
23:21:30	Zagor	rwood: no
23:21:31	Bagder	rwood: hm, I don't think there is...
23:21:46	rwood	thanks
23:22:00	idefx	Bagder: I read what you type, but a DIR and a dirent is not the same thing.
23:22:19	Bagder	idefx: and neither have path info around
23:22:35	Bagder	we don't use memory without good reason
23:22:35	idefx	Bagder: So, that's not cool !
23:22:43	Bagder	yes it is
23:22:45	Zagor	idefx: that's POSIX. live with it.
23:22:57	Bagder	idefx: you just solve your problem differently
23:23:05	idefx	Bagder: Ok
23:24:16	Bagder	you should not keep lots of those structs around anyway
23:24:29	Bagder	so I can't see how knowing which path it is can be very hard
23:25:06	idefx	well, that's not so hard, but, i have to add an argument more.
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23:25:55	Bagder	ipv6-hes! ;-)
23:26:11	Hes2	ooh.
23:26:59	elinenbe	there are currently some serious problems with the multiline scroll patch
23:27:06	Hes2	reverse delegation doesn't seem to be on all servers yet.
23:27:29	Hes2	Or the guys try resolving from ip6.int still.
23:28:28	Zagor	Hes2: did linus' ATA patch improve your skipping anything?
23:28:34	dwihno	What's the prob with multiline scroll?
23:28:53	Hes2	I didn't get around to test it yet. I've had massive problems with usb-storage crashing my systems.
23:29:04	Hes2	Which kind of pissed me off this afternoon.
23:29:10	Zagor	dwihno: "too few hours per day error in lcd.c:438"
23:29:37	dwihno	Zagor: hehe :)
23:29:42	elinenbe	dwihno: try it out and look a the directory browser.
23:30:04	dwihno	elinenbe: I have no patching utility for my wintendo :(L
23:30:24	elinenbe	try cygwin. that is what I use.
23:30:46	Bagder	vote vote vote
23:31:26	elinenbe	Bagder: add that to the news on the web page.
23:31:31	Bagder	good idea
23:31:35		Part Hes2 ("hm")
23:31:55	Zagor	you don't see ipv6 much in irc
23:32:02	Zagor	I don't, anyway :-)
23:32:19	Hes	Not much yet...
23:32:52	Hes	did my first ipv6 login on ircnet about two years ago or so
23:33:19	Bagder	grep "^ *[123]:" mail/vote \| tr -d '#[]' \| cut "-d " -f2 \| sort \| uniq -c \| sort -rn
23:33:41	Bagder	nice one-liners are fun ;-)
23:35:26	Bagder	14 people have voted so far on 23 designs
23:35:52	dwihno	Neato
23:36:05	dwihno	Bagder: your 13 votes can't count, you can only vote once ;)
23:36:14	Bagder	oh darn
23:37:38	dwihno	top3 designs?
23:38:04	elinenbe	I think "ON" in the menus should return to the tree view.
23:38:07	Bagder	so far: 6, 13 and 7
23:38:15	Bagder	(not in that order)
23:39:16	Hes	I'm stunned.
23:41:04	Zagor	elinenbe: nah. too much hassle.
23:49:27	elinenbe	does anyone have a really nice wps file for the recorder?
23:52:57	idefx	well, Zagor, you were true, that's damn slow !!
23:53:05	Zagor	hehe
23:56:28	idefx	maybe i could improve it, but, may still be too slow. Youre idea was good,i now have to make: -an efficient format to store title, album artist and filename, a tool to read it efficiently on the archos, something to make it on a Linux computer, [and find someone to make a windows version]. Bad, very bad...
23:57:01	Zagor	idefx: you should write the indexer in something portable, like perl or java
23:58:03	idefx	Zagor: Yes, i'll make it in perl or python (or ada, but, no-one will love me after that ...)
23:58:10	Zagor	hehe
23:58:20	Bagder	you could talk to matsl, as he started thinking/working on something like that
23:58:26	*	Zagor prefers perl overy python, personally
23:58:30	Zagor	Bagder: right
23:58:43	*	mecraw prefers java

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