| 00:00:11 | Bagder | he started working on build a "database" using some java code |
| 00:00:29 | Bagder | I don't know if it got anywhere or anything |
| 00:02:31 | idefx | Bagder: Well, i don't code in java, and i don't know much about database, but if i can help ?? |
| 00:02:51 | Bagder | that's why I think talking to him could be a good idea |
| 00:03:04 | Bagder | coordination of efforts |
| 00:03:17 | | Join merwin [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) |
| 00:03:41 | mecraw | elinenbe: what happens in directory browsing with multiline scroll? |
| 00:03:46 | idefx | well, matsl, if you hear me ... |
| 00:03:59 | Bagder | idefx: he's not here right now |
| 00:04:07 | | Join g003y [0] (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) |
| 00:04:14 | Bagder | hey g003y |
| 00:04:15 | g003y | heya |
| 00:04:16 | | Quit merwin (Client Quit) |
| 00:04:21 | g003y | long time no see :D |
| 00:04:42 | Bagder | yes, lots of things have happened since ;-) |
| 00:04:51 | g003y | how was your trip Bagder? |
| 00:05:02 | Bagder | it was fabulous |
| 00:05:06 | g003y | cool |
| 00:05:12 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/travel/tanzania/ |
| 00:05:15 | idefx | Bagder : ok, so i gona sleep now ;) thanks for helping |
| 00:05:22 | Bagder | night idefx |
| 00:05:36 | | Quit idefx ("BitchX: causing all sorts of havok!") |
| 00:05:38 | g003y | I finally get a vacation myself. Taking a couple weeks to go to Singapore & India. Not until december though :/ |
| 00:05:50 | Bagder | india is nice |
| 00:05:56 | g003y | yeah... |
| 00:06:00 | g003y | I liked it last time I was there |
| 00:06:44 | g003y | wow... those are great pics. that place looks nice |
| 00:07:02 | | Join merwin [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) |
| 00:07:37 | mecraw | Bagder: did you use a tool to create your picture gallery? or just hand-code html? |
| 00:07:51 | Bagder | hand made, with adiamas help |
| 00:07:52 | * | mecraw is looking to put some pics online too |
| 00:08:00 | Bagder | oh |
| 00:08:02 | Bagder | those pics |
| 00:08:08 | * | Hes has a load at http://hes.iki.fi/photo/ |
| 00:08:16 | Bagder | hand made those too, but I have a bunch of helpful scripts |
| 00:08:45 | Bagder | for the travel ones, I usually take a good time to zoom and edit the pics as well |
| 00:09:00 | Zagor | I like the camera info I extract with my view script: http://rockbox.haxx.se/devcon/show.cgi?img4083.jpg |
| 00:09:01 | Bagder | that's what takes the most time |
| 00:10:37 | g003y | Zagor: are all those your personal mp3 players? |
| 00:11:23 | Bagder | could be |
| 00:11:28 | Zagor | the two on that pic are, but not all on the other photos |
| 00:12:15 | g003y | nice mickey mouse pints :D |
| 00:12:29 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 00:12:34 | Bagder | those are Linus' ;-) |
| 00:12:45 | Bagder | the pics are from his place |
| 00:12:46 | g003y | Linus the guy with glasses? |
| 00:12:52 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:12:59 | g003y | now I have a face to the text :D |
| 00:13:04 | elinenbe | mecraw: multiline scroll ruins browsing the directory |
| 00:13:36 | merwin | Zagor: you're the one in black? |
| 00:13:39 | Zagor | yup |
| 00:13:41 | merwin | MIB |
| 00:13:55 | merwin | Zagor: you look very military :) |
| 00:14:03 | g003y | lol |
| 00:14:08 | * | Zagor is The Code Police ;) |
| 00:14:13 | Bagder | he's scary |
| 00:14:16 | Bagder | belive me |
| 00:14:20 | merwin | heh |
| 00:14:20 | Bagder | I should know ;-) |
| 00:14:29 | * | Bagder hides |
| 00:15:55 | | Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
| 00:16:28 | mecraw | elinenbe: it works ok for me, although i just post crap so the real coders can fix it up :) |
| 00:16:53 | elinenbe | mecraw: try to make it so it scrolls one line at a time. |
| 00:17:06 | elinenbe | like ti scrolls, line 1, then line 2, then line 3, then line 1 again. |
| 00:17:46 | Zagor | elinenbe: won't it take an awful long time for line 3 to start scrolling then? |
| 00:18:07 | merwin | Bagder: you were right... once I un-defined the custom wps code, someone came along and made it 200% better :-) |
| 00:18:34 | Bagder | hehe, well that's the benefit of open source development! ;-) |
| 00:18:46 | Bagder | and having things enabled in the daily build |
| 00:18:57 | g003y | yeah you can even disappear into a hole, come back, and things completely change :D |
| 00:19:04 | Bagder | can't wait to get the rolo there |
| 00:19:06 | dwihno|gone | Enable the font loading and see if someone fixes it ;) |
| 00:19:13 | dwihno|gone | Just my 0.2e ;) |
| 00:19:25 | PsycoXul | with things like ROLO and the .wps loading, should we maybe have a little more configurable of a browser file filter? |
| 00:19:25 | * | dwihno|gone went to bed - time to rise & shine in 5 hours |
| 00:19:44 | merwin | PsycoXul: for the filter, just filter out the file types that we don't care about |
| 00:19:48 | Bagder | PsycoXul: yes, we'll end up needing something better |
| 00:20:14 | Zagor | an easy-to-find quick toggle should be enough, IMHO |
| 00:21:07 | * | merwin is going through a hell worse than tax season... |
| 00:21:13 | * | merwin is balancing his corporate card |
| 00:21:24 | Zagor | hehe |
| 00:21:43 | merwin | If I miss even one thing, it could cost me around $1000 :-) |
| 00:22:43 | | Join Dexter__ [0] (~Dexter@Mix-Pointe-a-Pitre-105-2-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 00:22:54 | merwin | hey dex |
| 00:23:03 | g003y | so are file writes _safe_ these days? For example could I create a playlist on disk with the file api now? Sorry if this has been answered... just trying to get my head around whats happening in the code these days. |
| 00:23:06 | Dexter__ | hello |
| 00:23:07 | | Join miah [0] (24800-iden@pihkal.com) |
| 00:23:11 | miah | hey kids |
| 00:23:17 | miah | http://analog.xiph.org/hardware/ |
| 00:23:25 | merwin | g003y: i don't think we have file writes yet |
| 00:24:12 | PsycoXul | woo .wps loading's nice |
| 00:24:21 | merwin | miah: interesting |
| 00:24:35 | miah | yep |
| 00:24:56 | PsycoXul | now i can load a different WPS for soundtracks/various artits that display's better for the ones with id3 |
| 00:25:02 | merwin | miah: so that means that they'd be willing to help us possibly :) |
| 00:25:08 | miah | maybe =) |
| 00:25:08 | PsycoXul | err ones withOUT id3 even |
| 00:25:11 | merwin | PsycoXul: do we have variable wps loading now? |
| 00:25:12 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:25:30 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:25:36 | LinusN | Hes? |
| 00:25:39 | Bagder | hey LinusN |
| 00:25:43 | LinusN | yo |
| 00:25:53 | merwin | LinusN: interesting link just posted: http://analog.xiph.org/hardware/ |
| 00:25:58 | PsycoXul | merwin: yeah you press play on a .wps file and it loads and uses it |
| 00:26:18 | merwin | PsycoXul: nice |
| 00:26:33 | LinusN | merwin: yeah i have read that report |
| 00:27:20 | LinusN | merwin: sorry, that was not the link i thought it was |
| 00:27:22 | merwin | so when's adi supposed to have the player icons done? :P |
| 00:29:49 | LinusN | merwin: i thought you meant this one: http://oggonachip.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:30:11 | LinusN | has anyone tested the new ATA fix? |
| 00:30:24 | Dexter__ | who can send libintl2 packtage to me for cygwin please ?? |
| 00:30:41 | merwin | LinusN: that's an interesting one too |
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| 00:31:53 | Dexter__ | libintl2 packtage ??? |
| 00:32:09 | g003y | Dexter: just use the cygwin installer and select the package yourself. |
| 00:32:21 | Dexter__ | ok |
| 00:32:28 | lohap | hi all |
| 00:32:45 | merwin | hey lo |
| 00:33:14 | lohap | just got red hat installed over mandrake and red hat is alot better |
| 00:33:27 | elinenbe | LinusN: about the buttons... no, the archos firmware does not display that behavior |
| 00:33:48 | Zagor | lohap: you should try debian :-) |
| 00:34:15 | lohap | but i still have the problem that it dosnt see my archos if i plug it in whilst my machine is on but it finds it if the machine is turned on when linux is booted |
| 00:34:19 | LinusN | elinenbe: that's not very nice to hear |
| 00:34:26 | lohap | i will when i get my hands on it |
| 00:34:49 | lithermon | slackware is best |
| 00:34:57 | LinusN | i don't want to handle those combinations... |
| 00:35:03 | g003y | BSD 0wnz @ll linux ! :D |
| 00:35:06 | LinusN | but if we must, we must |
| 00:35:17 | Zagor | lohap: power up the archos, then plug in the usb cable |
| 00:35:22 | Bagder | OS-fight! |
| 00:35:22 | LinusN | anyway, i just wanted to find out if the ATA fix helped |
| 00:35:32 | lithermon | linux vs linux |
| 00:35:37 | merwin | lithermon: redhat rocks |
| 00:35:37 | lithermon | vs bsd |
| 00:35:38 | LinusN | but i guess nobody knows... |
| 00:35:41 | lohap | lets just say linux onzs |
| 00:35:48 | g003y | and the Death Star can totally 0wn the Borg cube. There now all geek arguments are settled :D |
| 00:35:55 | LinusN | i'll go to bed now |
| 00:35:58 | LinusN | bye |
| 00:35:59 | merwin | hah |
| 00:36:00 | Bagder | night LinusN |
| 00:36:01 | lohap | hehe |
| 00:36:02 | g003y | see ya |
| 00:36:03 | lohap | cya |
| 00:36:03 | merwin | nite linus |
| 00:36:10 | | Part LinusN |
| 00:36:17 | lohap | i got wine working and im ircing using mirc how cool is that |
| 00:36:27 | lithermon | hmmm |
| 00:36:35 | Bagder | mirc? uuuuh |
| 00:36:40 | Zagor | lohap: around 0.5 on a 1-10 scale :-) |
| 00:36:45 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:36:47 | g003y | lol |
| 00:36:49 | PsycoXul | sweet |
| 00:36:52 | PsycoXul | i'm listening to 2 mp3's at once |
| 00:37:09 | lohap | yea just need to get real player 8 working in linux then im sorted using wine that is |
| 00:37:12 | Zagor | PsycoXul: on what? |
| 00:37:21 | PsycoXul | i set the dac_config's argument in mpeg.c to 0x0c to turn on aux1 and then plugged my mom's mp3-cd player into the line-in |
| 00:37:30 | Zagor | hehe |
| 00:37:32 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 00:37:32 | g003y | hahahaaha |
| 00:37:35 | merwin | Bagder: what about mirc? it's got a bad rap, that's all |
| 00:37:44 | PsycoXul | it mixes pretty well |
| 00:37:46 | Bagder | merwin: not only that |
| 00:37:54 | g003y | nix -> wine -> mirc is silly though |
| 00:37:55 | lohap | mirc is alot nicer than xchat |
| 00:38:06 | merwin | lohap: damn straight |
| 00:38:19 | lithermon | bitchx rules |
| 00:38:19 | merwin | g003y: agreed |
| 00:38:28 | Bagder | mirc is closed source and written by an ignorant person, and not even very good |
| 00:38:30 | merwin | lithermon: if they had a bitchx with a good gui, i'd do it |
| 00:38:39 | lohap | nix > wine >real player 8 alot more useful |
| 00:38:45 | g003y | Bagder: but how do you really feel about Mirc? :D |
| 00:38:48 | merwin | Bagder: there's scripts for it that make it better though |
| 00:38:53 | PsycoXul | i like irssi |
| 00:39:42 | g003y | anyone that puts their picture in the about box of application they wrote looses my vote :D |
| 00:40:08 | Bagder | and which app started the irc colour crap? |
| 00:40:08 | merwin | I just use mIRC mostly because it easily supports SOCKS5, which i need to do IRC from work |
| 00:40:08 | miah | hah |
| 00:40:13 | merwin | and VNC for that matter |
| 00:40:15 | lohap | yea lol brb |
| 00:40:21 | miah | Bagder: i belive ircii years ago |
| 00:40:25 | Bagder | miah: nope |
| 00:40:26 | | Quit lohap () |
| 00:40:27 | Bagder | mirc did |
| 00:40:32 | miah | eh |
| 00:40:33 | Bagder | years ago, yes |
| 00:40:45 | miah | ircii supported some colors, and bolds and such |
| 00:40:56 | Bagder | bold, italic, underline, yes |
| 00:40:58 | Bagder | not colours |
| 00:41:45 | merwin | at least mIRC has been kept relatively free... that's a good thing |
| 00:42:12 | miah | yea |
| 00:42:15 | miah | its not completely bad |
| 00:42:28 | miah | not that i've used it int he last 4 years |
| 00:42:54 | merwin | are there any bitchx gui's anywhere? |
| 00:43:10 | miah | no idea, i use epic or irssi |
| 00:43:49 | PsycoXul | bitchx sucks, it's bloated buggy and slow |
| 00:43:56 | PsycoXul | though not as bad as mirc of course :p |
| 00:44:00 | g003y | hahahah |
| 00:44:45 | lithermon | slackware, bitchx - i just choose the one with the coolest name |
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| 00:44:57 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:45:07 | PsycoXul | i used to use epic with a script by a guy i know |
| 00:45:09 | lohap | hi i was just wondering anyone run real player 8 in wine |
| 00:45:10 | PsycoXul | then i discovered irssi |
| 00:45:30 | miah | scrollz is a pretty cool irc client |
| 00:47:14 | g003y | Psyco: how is the heat in SoCal? |
| 00:47:29 | rwood | it's miserable hot! |
| 00:47:50 | merwin | It's cold and cloudy in Seattle :) |
| 00:48:41 | rwood | merwin: so what's new about that |
| 00:48:54 | merwin | rwood: actually, it's been pretty nice up until yesterday |
| 00:49:23 | * | merwin got new exhaust on saturday... I was told that it was going to be "a little bit more of a growl". The damn thing sounds like a motorcycle now |
| 00:49:24 | merwin | heh |
| 00:49:28 | rwood | merwin: i have friends up there - they say they have moss growing on thir north side |
| 00:49:36 | g003y | hahahahahahahaha |
| 00:49:39 | g003y | moss |
| 00:50:08 | g003y | I haven't even gone outside today it is so damn hot in the bay area |
| 00:50:38 | rwood | g003y: mark twain wouldn't believe it |
| 00:50:42 | merwin | I spent a good portion of March/April/May in cali... damn it gets hot |
| 00:50:51 | PsycoXul | why would you want to run realplayer 8 in wine |
| 00:51:04 | merwin | why would you want to run realplayer at all is the question |
| 00:51:17 | g003y | rwood: I know, but he is dead so he ain't got nothing to say about the subject anymore :D |
| 00:51:23 | PsycoXul | merwin: true |
| 00:51:30 | PsycoXul | but there's a linux version of rp8 anyways |
| 00:51:53 | PsycoXul | apparently even an alpha version of RealOne available |
| 00:52:29 | * | merwin despises realplayer... I hate any company that makes you pay for their software and still bombards you with ads |
| 00:52:49 | PsycoXul | only suckers pay for real player |
| 00:52:50 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 00:52:54 | rwood | merwin: and invades your privacy when they get a chance |
| 00:53:02 | merwin | rwood: yes, that too |
| 00:53:07 | Zagor | life is a lot more simple with only open source software |
| 00:53:10 | PsycoXul | personaly i just avoid realmedia |
| 00:53:13 | PsycoXul | it sucks anyways |
| 00:53:24 | merwin | At least Windows Media Player has the decency to be FREE :-) |
| 00:53:36 | datazone | free? |
| 00:53:41 | rwood | PsycoXul: has a tendency to crash my system |
| 00:53:48 | miah | i like shockwave/flash |
| 00:53:51 | datazone | well considering, they make up for it from the sale of the os, its not free |
| 00:53:51 | miah | thats cool stuff |
| 00:53:57 | PsycoXul | flash is ok |
| 00:54:04 | PsycoXul | but it's being grossly misused these days |
| 00:54:07 | merwin | datazone: have you ever paid for a version of windows you've installed? |
| 00:54:09 | lohap | what media player do u use in linux |
| 00:54:17 | PsycoXul | lohap: usualy mplayer |
| 00:54:23 | Bagder | xine |
| 00:54:27 | lohap | barr |
| 00:54:33 | lohap | texted based |
| 00:54:35 | PsycoXul | i use xine if mplayer does something funky |
| 00:54:49 | PsycoXul | lohap: mplayer and xine both have GUI's |
| 00:54:56 | PsycoXul | though mplayer's isn't enabled by default |
| 00:55:09 | rwood | merwin: there was an article that M$ has a clause in one of the security updates to media player that grands them the right to scan your computer and enforce copyrights |
| 00:55:21 | lohap | yea u need to enable it when u make it |
| 00:55:35 | PsycoXul | yeah, and you need to download a skin for it since it doesn't come with any and won't work without one |
| 00:55:38 | Zagor | rwood: i think that clause is for XP too |
| 00:55:39 | rwood | grants |
| 00:55:57 | datazone | merwin: the question at hand isnt about the ownership of the os, but that the software is made to run on a specific os that the medai player is made to run on, and that os is a commercially sold os, therefore you can make the assumption that the media player cost can be absorbed into the cost of the os and no one can prove otherwise |
| 00:56:08 | rwood | Zagor: exactly - RIAA and M$ want to control the world |
| 00:56:34 | PsycoXul | rwood: don't forget the MPAA |
| 00:56:50 | Zagor | ah, bingo! my asm-free ROLO version finally works! |
| 00:57:18 | Zagor | why are the silliest mistakes the hardest to find? ;-) |
| 00:58:04 | rwood | Zagor: i don't know - if i rtfm, i would have found the problem with 1.27d in minutes |
| 00:58:18 | Bagder | bed time, mail in your votes, see ya tomorrow |
| 00:58:21 | | Part Bagder |
| 00:58:43 | Zagor | rwood: what was it, anyway? |
| 00:59:44 | rwood | Zagor: rockbox sets IRQ0 to level triggered - 1.27d expects it to be set to edge - boot loader must have initialized ICR |
| 00:59:52 | Zagor | ah |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:03 | Zagor | is the i2c_init really necessary? |
| 01:00:19 | rwood | Zagor: probably not |
| 01:00:25 | g003y | zagor: Are you sending a patch of the Rolo you just did? |
| 01:00:35 | g003y | or is that going in cvs now? |
| 01:00:41 | Zagor | g003y: i'll be committing it soon |
| 01:00:46 | g003y | schweet :D |
| 01:01:00 | Zagor | it's rwood's rolo, just a little modified |
| 01:01:14 | g003y | cool |
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| 01:01:36 | merwin- | hmm... i think M$ didn't like my last comment, booted me off of mirc |
| 01:01:39 | merwin- | damn socks |
| 01:01:43 | rwood | Zagor: i'm an old fart - assembly and fortran are my native languages |
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| 01:02:08 | Zagor | rwood: hehe, no problem |
| 01:02:20 | Zagor | we like old farts around here :-) |
| 01:02:32 | merwin- | I'm a young squirt |
| 01:04:27 | | Join nlithermo [0] (j@modem-1012.sponger.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 01:04:29 | rwood | i'm amazed at the way this project went together - some sort of global understanding of the task - i'm used to requirement spec then design spec, .... |
| 01:04:32 | g003y | old farts rocl |
| 01:04:35 | g003y | rock that is :D |
| 01:05:04 | g003y | rockbox has been one of the finer examples of the strengths of Open Source. |
| 01:05:04 | Zagor | rwood: you never worked in an open source project before? |
| 01:05:12 | datazone | dude, mirc is nasty |
| 01:05:22 | g003y | mirc_sucks++ |
| 01:05:46 | rwood | any other suggestion for win |
| 01:05:50 | datazone | xchat |
| 01:05:56 | lohap | what if dif between .src.rpm and i i383.rpm |
| 01:05:56 | g003y | trillian works for me |
| 01:06:09 | datazone | lohap: one has source |
| 01:06:16 | Zagor | lohap: src.rpm is the source code, i386.rpm is the compiled binaries |
| 01:06:19 | datazone | other is binary plus other stuff to be installed |
| 01:06:25 | lohap | so what i s the best to download |
| 01:06:33 | datazone | depends on what you want to do |
| 01:06:39 | datazone | do you just want to install it |
| 01:06:39 | Zagor | i386 if you just want to run the program |
| 01:06:44 | lohap | just run it lol |
| 01:06:46 | datazone | or want to rebuild it for your machine |
| 01:06:49 | | Part Dexter__ |
| 01:06:50 | lohap | k sorted |
| 01:06:51 | Jet8810 | xchat kicks ass |
| 01:07:04 | lohap | i need to download mplayer lol |
| 01:07:05 | miah | guh |
| 01:07:51 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 01:07:53 | Jet8810 | rockbox kicks ass |
| 01:08:10 | g003y | rockbox 0wnz arch0z :D |
| 01:08:16 | Jet8810 | haha |
| 01:09:22 | | Quit Jet8810 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 01:09:30 | merwin- | Zagor: So why can't we consolidate player-old and player into one? It seems that Archos found a way to do it |
| 01:10:02 | rwood | Zagor: missed you question - no this is my first, and my first chat room |
| 01:10:54 | Zagor | merwin-: we can, we just haven't done it. |
| 01:11:05 | merwin- | Zagor: Is it difficult? |
| 01:11:42 | Zagor | the tricky part is finding out if you are running on a new or old unit. archos does it by probing the version number in the ROM firmware binary... feels a bit icky to me. |
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| 01:12:29 | merwin- | Zagor: seems fine to me to do it that way though... the version number in the ROM firmware is a definate indication of whether or not to use the old or new |
| 01:12:34 | | Join marvincbr [0] (marvincbr@12-250-191-213.client.attbi.com) |
| 01:12:52 | PsycoXul | i'm not sure what the point would be |
| 01:13:01 | merwin- | marvincbr: so the cbr, is that Constant Bitrate, or Honda CBR? |
| 01:13:07 | | Quit marvincbr (Client Quit) |
| 01:13:21 | merwin- | PsycoXul: easier end user implementation. Some people aren't that smart :-) |
| 01:13:27 | merwin- | hmm, guess marvin's neither |
| 01:13:29 | | Quit merwin (Connection timed out) |
| 01:13:34 | | Nick merwin- is now known as merwin (~merwin@12.242.185.10) |
| 01:13:58 | elinenbe | rwood: because of ROLO, I will never ever have to boot into the Archos firmware again. To debug I now, compile, copy, load, repeat. never a reboot |
| 01:14:04 | PsycoXul | yeah but have we had many problems with people getting the wrong version? |
| 01:14:20 | merwin | PsycoXul: i've seen a few myself :) |
| 01:14:40 | datazone | i dont see what the problem is, let them learn to read |
| 01:14:44 | Zagor | it's not one of my higher priority tasks :-) |
| 01:14:56 | datazone | plus the jukebox is pretty resistant to being messed up |
| 01:15:19 | datazone | its not like if you use the wrong mod it will destroy your unit |
| 01:15:24 | rwood | Zagor: speaking of the ROM firmware - once file writes are working, do we dare trying to suck out 1.28 for the recorder? |
| 01:15:49 | merwin | rwood: huh? |
| 01:16:07 | Zagor | we can try, but I don't see it as part of the rockbox project really |
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| 01:16:24 | rwood | merwin: the latest version that is shipping is 1.28, the latest on the Archos site is 1.27d |
| 01:16:32 | elinenbe | rwood: it sounds fun. but really what is the point? |
| 01:16:41 | elinenbe | rwood: by then who will ever use it? |
| 01:16:52 | merwin | datazone: it won't destroy the unit of course, but user friendliness comes into play. It's not a very high priority, but still seems semi-useful |
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| 01:17:26 | rwood | elinenbe: good question - being able to load the origional to record is the only current reason |
| 01:17:50 | elinenbe | rwood: by then rockbox will be able to record. |
| 01:18:22 | rwood | elinenbe: and Archos will post a link on their site |
| 01:19:15 | rwood | should |
| 01:19:46 | merwin | rwood: don't count on it |
| 01:20:00 | merwin | rwood: usually, companies don't take kindly to people rewriting what they're selling, even if it's better :) |
| 01:20:10 | merwin | rwood: makes them seem inferior or something |
| 01:20:17 | g003y | rockbox makes the older hardware useful again and they want to sell you new stuff |
| 01:21:03 | rwood | merwin: agreeded, but rockbox would sell more units - g003y and that too |
| 01:21:29 | merwin | rwood: they really should ship with rockbox installed :) |
| 01:23:21 | g003y | oooh... the player progress bar is cute :D |
| 01:24:01 | g003y | nice usages of screen space there. good job whoever did it |
| 01:24:06 | merwin | g003y: thanks :) |
| 01:24:20 | merwin | g003y: I made it, and PsycoXul fixed it |
| 01:24:29 | merwin | I think it was PsycoXul at least |
| 01:24:37 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 01:24:43 | g003y | coolness |
| 01:25:02 | PsycoXul | and zagor did some stuff to it too i think, mostly cleaning up and var renaming though |
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| 01:26:28 | PsycoXul | and i think somebody else is working on making it configurable |
| 01:26:51 | g003y | psyco: configurable how? You can already turn it on & off with the custom wps |
| 01:27:17 | PsycoXul | well i guess they're making it so you can make your own series of images to progressed through |
| 01:27:29 | g003y | oh ok |
| 01:27:42 | PsycoXul | all stored in a file to load |
| 01:27:44 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:28:18 | g003y | images don't matter for us non-bitmapped screen types :D |
| 01:28:27 | PsycoXul | well 5x7 images :p |
| 01:28:32 | g003y | hehehehehehe |
| 01:29:03 | PsycoXul | it Is for the player |
| 01:29:09 | g003y | gotcha |
| 01:29:37 | g003y | is anyone working on custom wps to have more flexibility with file display? |
| 01:30:01 | PsycoXul | like what? |
| 01:30:04 | merwin | g003y: MORE flexible than it already is? |
| 01:30:07 | g003y | like.... |
| 01:30:11 | g003y | we have %d1 |
| 01:30:15 | g003y | to grab the first dir |
| 01:30:29 | g003y | for files we might be able to have a %f2 to grab the first two bytes |
| 01:30:35 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:30:39 | g003y | hehe |
| 01:30:49 | g003y | just a though |
| 01:30:50 | g003y | t |
| 01:30:55 | Zagor | g003y: how would you know how many bytes to grab? |
| 01:30:57 | PsycoXul | what if you want bytes 5 to end |
| 01:31:09 | g003y | zagor: true. just a thought |
| 01:31:14 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 01:31:38 | g003y | I was only asking not suggesting a solution :D |
| 01:31:39 | merwin | gotta jet |
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| 01:38:13 | g003y | I can't believe my cpus are still running under 50C in this weather. |
| 01:38:48 | PsycoXul | my athlon's up to 58 |
| 01:39:16 | Zagor | nuts! I can load 1.3 but not myself... |
| 01:39:35 | * | Zagor is chasing little critters with 12 legs |
| 01:39:52 | rwood | Zagor: welcome to the club |
| 01:40:05 | Zagor | hehe :-) |
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| 01:40:17 | g003y | zagor: aren't you a little big to fit into 2meg? :) |
| 01:41:08 | Zagor | ;) |
| 01:42:29 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 01:42:41 | Jet8810 | do you guys find archos sound quality to be worse then other mp3 players? |
| 01:42:48 | Zagor | no |
| 01:42:54 | rwood | Zagor: are you putting the move routine in internal RAM? |
| 01:43:16 | g003y | I don't have any other portable mp3 player to compare. |
| 01:43:37 | g003y | but I'm happy with it compare to say winamp on my home machine :D |
| 01:43:40 | Zagor | rwood: almost. i'm moving the loader to top of ram and from there loading without moving |
| 01:44:15 | Zagor | i.e the linker puts the loader at top of ram, so we don't have to do it "manually" |
| 01:45:02 | rwood | Zagor: what about the calls down to the file routines? |
| 01:45:51 | Zagor | i'm loading the new firmware into the mp3 buffer, just like you did. then, after all checks and controls are ready, I'm memcpy()ing it to start of ram and starts it |
| 01:46:19 | Zagor | and it works nicely with the 1.3 release... |
| 01:46:36 | rwood | Zagor: ok |
| 01:47:06 | rwood | Zagor: have you tried 1.27d or anyother Archos version yet? |
| 01:47:16 | Zagor | no, not yet |
| 01:49:30 | Zagor | latest bleeding edge cvs build works too, so it's something about my local build that differs |
| 01:49:38 | Zagor | i'll try an archos firmware |
| 01:52:15 | rwood | Zagor: one of the artistic types need to make us a good icon for mod/ajz |
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| 01:52:41 | Zagor | rwood: yes. i've asked two people. we'll see what emerges. |
| 01:53:20 | rwood | Zagor: i almost took out the .rbx feature - the time savings is minimal |
| 01:54:08 | Zagor | yeah. i'm not including it in my commit. it's too much hassle making special mods for this. |
| 01:55:04 | rwood | Zagor: good |
| 01:58:00 | elinenbe | Zagor: I am quite excited for this commit ;) |
| 01:58:17 | Zagor | still having some problems :-( |
| 01:59:04 | rwood | Zagor: it's getting very late your time - any way you can pass me what you have and let me look at it while you get some sleep? |
| 01:59:15 | Zagor | rwood: sure thing |
| 01:59:41 | elinenbe | rwood: I am quite exicted for your commit ;) hehe |
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| 02:00:07 | rwood | Zagor: i can't dcc (firewall) got an ftp site or something? |
| 02:00:33 | Zagor | yup. can you use a patch? |
| 02:01:23 | rwood | Zagor: i haven't tried that yet - the whole files would be easiest |
| 02:01:30 | Zagor | ok |
| 02:01:55 | rwood | the sun never sets on ROCKBOX |
| 02:02:07 | elinenbe | ha ha |
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| 02:05:00 | Zagor | rwood: http://rockbox.haxx.se/rolo_zagor.zip |
| 02:05:58 | Zagor | if you find anything, mail me at bjorn@haxx.se |
| 02:06:34 | rwood | Zagor: got it - i |
| 02:06:42 | rwood | i'll start on it |
| 02:07:10 | Zagor | good. i'll catch some sleep. see you tomorrow! |
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| 02:14:12 | g003y | cya all. |
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| 04:48:11 | adi|home | howdy all... |
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| 05:27:02 | merwin | adi|home: you round? |
| 05:33:43 | adi|home | yeah.. whats up? |
| 05:37:09 | elinenbe | hey there. |
| 05:41:14 | merwin | adi|home: how are the player icons coming? |
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| 05:50:27 | elinenbe | RockBox is almost in the top 50 on sourceforge.net |
| 05:50:29 | elinenbe | ;) |
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| 06:06:39 | merwin | wow |
| 06:06:42 | merwin | heh |
| 06:06:43 | merwin | brb |
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| 06:23:50 | h0bby | hello |
| 06:24:18 | h0bby | anybody? |
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| 06:24:27 | merwin | are there any xbm editors for windowz? |
| 06:24:30 | merwin | err, windows |
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| 06:26:02 | h0bby | is there anywhere i can get a compiled version of Rolo? |
| 06:26:11 | merwin | h0bby: the nearest candy shop? |
| 06:26:22 | h0bby | to expensive |
| 06:26:34 | h0bby | i prefer free downloads |
| 06:27:13 | h0bby | guess not then |
| 06:27:22 | merwin | heh |
| 06:27:32 | h0bby | but i realy realy realy want it |
| 06:27:36 | h0bby | really |
| 06:28:09 | merwin | you sure? |
| 06:28:22 | h0bby | yes, yes yes yes |
| 06:28:51 | h0bby | i will brush my teeth, i promise |
| 06:28:52 | merwin | hmm.. i'd wait till it's in the cvs |
| 06:29:08 | h0bby | im leaving for australia in three days |
| 06:29:56 | merwin | why do you need rolo? |
| 06:30:26 | h0bby | so i can load archos for recording and playlist purposes |
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| 06:30:46 | merwin | ahh |
| 06:31:03 | merwin | unfortunately, i don't use rolo, or i'd send it to you |
| 06:31:12 | h0bby | ohh well, |
| 06:33:49 | h0bby | well maybe it will apears on cvs in the next three days. |
| 06:38:25 | merwin | h0bby: i wouldn't put it past these guys :) |
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| 06:45:17 | merwin | adi|home: 0x00 is white in xbm, right? |
| 06:45:43 | Bill_k | Anyone have luck in compiling firmware under windows? |
| 06:45:53 | merwin | Bill_k: yup, cygwin for me |
| 06:46:22 | Bill_k | Can we go on the side so i ban ask you some questions? |
| 06:46:29 | merwin | sure |
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| 07:20:35 | LinusN | howdy |
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| 07:32:04 | rwood | LinusN: I had my head in a dark place when I said rockbox is running too fast for the recorder. |
| 07:32:22 | LinusN | oh |
| 07:32:56 | rwood | LinusN: a long string of SCL_HI,SCL_LO generates a 1.3 us square wave - right on spec for 400KHz |
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| 07:33:59 | rwood | LinusN: I have a digital scope on the I2C and can see that Archos is never driving the SCL line - they set it to input and let the resistor pull it up |
| 07:34:26 | LinusN | yes they do, on the Recorder |
| 07:34:55 | LinusN | it is different on the player, at least the early models |
| 07:36:20 | rwood | LinusN: the picture that I get on the recorder is a slow rise on archos around 1us versus ns on rockbox |
| 07:36:25 | MeRWiN- | LinusN: I made a set of Tree Icons for the player, implemented |
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| 07:37:04 | merwin | LinusN: it takes up an extra char on the player's screen, but makes file format available at a glance |
| 07:37:22 | merwin | Arrow then Icon then Filename |
| 07:37:47 | LinusN | rwood: yes, we drive it, they let the pullup do the job |
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| 07:38:27 | LinusN | and by the way, the difference on the players is not about driving the signals, my mistake |
| 07:38:47 | merwin | LinusN: commitable? |
| 07:38:58 | LinusN | it's about how to read the data line |
| 07:39:20 | LinusN | merwin: that's great |
| 07:39:36 | LinusN | can i see the patch? |
| 07:39:51 | merwin | LinusN: how do i create the patch against a file? |
| 07:40:10 | LinusN | cvs diff -u <file> |
| 07:41:00 | * | LinusN fills his coffee cup |
| 07:41:05 | rwood | it is the DAC on the player that is limited to 100KHz on the player - i think i said ADC last night |
| 07:41:39 | rwood | 100KHz when S clk is not running that is |
| 07:42:06 | merwin | LinusN: there you go, it's in your e-mail box |
| 07:45:08 | LinusN | rwood: yeah i saw that in the data sheet |
| 07:45:36 | rwood | my I2C analyzer has address filtering, so if there is anything on the recorder that you would like to see, I can filter out the RTC stuff |
| 07:46:02 | rwood | Archos version that is - analyzer is 100KHz only |
| 07:46:51 | LinusN | rwood: it would be great to see the traffic to the codec at boot, and when changing bass/treble settings |
| 07:47:38 | rwood | LinusN: can do |
| 07:48:47 | LinusN | too bad it's the player i am really interested in |
| 07:49:08 | rwood | LinusN: looking at the specs, I'm not certain if a slave can hold SCL low on any clock or only before an ACK |
| 07:49:56 | LinusN | as far as i know, it is only before an ack |
| 07:50:16 | rwood | LinusN: if any clock, then switching to input and checking for high is probably the best method although is would make the high times about 4.5us |
| 07:51:23 | LinusN | rwood: why would that be best? |
| 07:51:56 | merwin | LinusN: Should we include .WPS in the MP3/M3U file filter? It would be nice :) |
| 07:52:12 | LinusN | merwin: not sure |
| 07:52:15 | rwood | LinusN: if a slave is holding SCL low, a clock pulse output could be missed |
| 07:53:12 | LinusN | yes, but if a slave is holding the SCL low, it would be completely out of sync anyway. i am almost certain that the SCL holding only applies to the ACK |
| 07:54:08 | rwood | i see long periods of clock low on archos, but it could be the firmware isn't driving full speed |
| 07:55:05 | LinusN | most definitely |
| 07:56:03 | rwood | i'll take my player apart this week - if I can get the I2C signals as easily as I did on the recorder, I'll insturment the player |
| 07:57:07 | LinusN | merwin: looks great! |
| 07:57:39 | LinusN | rwood: great, i only had an oscilloscope, so i couldn't see much of the traffic |
| 07:57:47 | LinusN | when i did that on my player |
| 07:58:04 | LinusN | merwin: i'm not sure i like the WPS icon |
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| 08:05:42 | LinusN | rwood: it is very easy to get the i2c signals on the player |
| 08:06:54 | rwood | LinusN: on the recorder, there were 2 feed-thrus that made it easy - i want to be able to bring the wires out through the end bumper so i can use the unit |
| 08:07:41 | rwood | LinusN: my recorder looks like a frog that has been disceted - strapped down to some peg board - i think i voided the warrantee |
| 08:08:22 | rwood | LinusN: do you want me to email the logs to you? if so what address |
| 08:08:23 | LinusN | rwood: i know the feeling, my player seriously needed a haircut some days |
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| 08:08:48 | LinusN | i monitored all the signals for the MP3 communication, and the i2c |
| 08:08:56 | LinusN | rwood: linus at haxx.se |
| 08:09:22 | Bagder | I get work with my newly updated rockbox only to find out that it crashes hard every time I load my playlist |
| 08:09:33 | LinusN | Bagder: badness |
| 08:09:39 | Bagder | yeah |
| 08:09:54 | LinusN | have you tried to raise the spindown time? |
| 08:09:54 | rwood | LinusN: do you have access to a win machine? |
| 08:10:01 | LinusN | rwood: yes |
| 08:10:06 | Bagder | hm, I'll try |
| 08:10:08 | LinusN | NT |
| 08:10:17 | merwin | LinusN: it's hard to find an icon for WPS that's 5x7 :) |
| 08:10:28 | LinusN | merwin: i know, i know... :-) |
| 08:10:42 | merwin | LinusN: i figured letters were the only way to go for that |
| 08:10:46 | LinusN | i just think the W looks a little too much like a character |
| 08:10:46 | merwin | LinusN: should i commit? |
| 08:10:50 | merwin | LinusN: true |
| 08:10:58 | merwin | LinusN: any ideas on a different char? |
| 08:11:11 | Bagder | LinusN: that did it... changed it to 6 from 5 made it work... |
| 08:11:23 | LinusN | lemme think, how would we draw an icon resembling a settings file... |
| 08:11:39 | Bagder | feels weird to require 6 seconds |
| 08:11:45 | LinusN | Bagder: we have to implement a better spindown function |
| 08:11:48 | merwin | LinusN: with the added constraint of 5x7 :) |
| 08:11:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:11:53 | Synthe | a checkbox |
| 08:12:06 | Synthe | make an icon that looks like a checkbox |
| 08:12:07 | merwin | Synthe: good idea |
| 08:12:15 | merwin | Synthe: i'll see how that looks, just a sec |
| 08:12:25 | LinusN | i had the samne thought |
| 08:12:32 | LinusN | strange :-) |
| 08:13:11 | merwin | LinusN: again, a very difficult one in 5x7 |
| 08:13:24 | Synthe | or just a check, no box |
| 08:13:29 | * | Synthe shrugs |
| 08:13:35 | merwin | OK, i think i got a check |
| 08:13:44 | merwin | i'll draw it out on the player and see what it looks like |
| 08:14:24 | Bagder | 20 people votes so far |
| 08:14:26 | Bagder | voted |
| 08:16:24 | merwin | i've still gotta vote |
| 08:17:04 | LinusN | Bagder: i and zagor touched the ata spindown subject briefly yesterday |
| 08:17:36 | Bagder | it really needs attention |
| 08:18:00 | LinusN | Bagder: did it really hang, or did the disk just spin up and down like crazy? |
| 08:18:08 | Bagder | it rebooted |
| 08:18:12 | LinusN | wow |
| 08:18:37 | Bagder | instead of the wps I got it reboote in the rom firmware |
| 08:18:38 | LinusN | maybe we have a "return" statement somewhere in a bad place? |
| 08:18:54 | Bagder | yes, that might be it |
| 08:18:57 | LinusN | on read errors |
| 08:19:14 | merwin | LinusN: The 4th icon (wps) should be changed to: 0x01, 0x01, 0x02, 0x02, 0x14, 0x0c, 0x04, 0x00, |
| 08:19:28 | LinusN | roger that |
| 08:19:48 | rwood | LinusN: do you know the address of the codec? or do you want to see all i2c traffic except RTC |
| 08:21:01 | LinusN | rwood: 3c |
| 08:21:15 | LinusN | the device address, that is |
| 08:21:40 | rwood | LinusN: thanks, that's what I needed |
| 08:22:27 | adi|home | Bagder: can you give a list of the top 3? |
| 08:22:32 | adi|home | no part order... |
| 08:22:44 | Bagder | 6, 7, 24 |
| 08:23:52 | mecraw | anyone installed debian before? |
| 08:23:54 | merwin | i like 24 :) |
| 08:24:09 | LinusN | i like 7 |
| 08:24:22 | LinusN | simple, with an attitude |
| 08:24:57 | merwin | Bagder: Here's my vote (or should i email it to you): 24, 13, 12 (in that order please) |
| 08:25:10 | Bagder | please email |
| 08:25:24 | Bagder | it's easier for me to keep track of them all |
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| 08:25:37 | merwin | heh |
| 08:25:57 | Bagder | and I have a script that summarizes all votes easily ;-) |
| 08:26:00 | merwin | there |
| 08:26:06 | LinusN | merwin: the checkbox look fine |
| 08:26:09 | LinusN | looks |
| 08:26:29 | LinusN | maybe the angle could be different, but it's ok |
| 08:26:39 | merwin | LinusN: can't really make the angle much different |
| 08:26:44 | merwin | LinusN: not enough room |
| 08:27:02 | LinusN | not if you want it to be full height, no |
| 08:27:20 | merwin | Personally, i like the angle :) |
| 08:27:28 | LinusN | then it's ok |
| 08:27:50 | * | merwin must live with the player tomorrow on the airplane... I wish i had gotten the recorder |
| 08:27:55 | LinusN | i'm thinking...should the icons be in tree.c, or somewhere else |
| 08:28:03 | Bagder | mucho sokoban levels |
| 08:28:22 | merwin | LinusN: We could make an icon.c for the player, but it would be REALLY small :-) |
| 08:28:43 | LinusN | yes, it will be small now, but may be larger later on |
| 08:29:08 | adi|home | hehehe my design is still in the running :) |
| 08:29:21 | merwin | LinusN: You should write up the c file, i'm not the expert at creating new files |
| 08:29:42 | LinusN | Bagder: what do you think? Maybe it's time for a player/ directory? |
| 08:29:54 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:29:56 | LinusN | the player game would be there when it arrives |
| 08:30:18 | * | Bagder gives his blessing ;-) |
| 08:30:25 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:31:01 | LinusN | ok, so an icon file, much like the one for recorder then? |
| 08:31:22 | Bagder | I guess so |
| 08:31:33 | LinusN | ok, hang on... |
| 08:32:05 | LinusN | do we have any problems with identically named files? |
| 08:32:17 | LinusN | player/icons.h and recorder/icons.h |
| 08:32:38 | Bagder | I think it is best to not use the same name |
| 08:32:42 | Bagder | or.. |
| 08:32:46 | Bagder | ah, let's try |
| 08:33:01 | Bagder | it makes it pretty neat to include include "icons.h" |
| 08:33:04 | LinusN | the include path would solve that issue for us, i hope... |
| 08:33:07 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:33:25 | LinusN | let's do it before zagor wakes up |
| 08:33:33 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 08:33:35 | Bagder | go go go ;-) |
| 08:33:36 | merwin | LinusN: hah |
| 08:33:40 | Bagder | mutiny! |
| 08:35:56 | rwood | zagor was up late working on asm-less ROLO - 2:00am your time |
| 08:36:36 | LinusN | why on earth did he have to do that? |
| 08:36:49 | LinusN | i have done that and found out that it was pointless |
| 08:36:56 | Bagder | because he's the.... Code Police! |
| 08:37:03 | * | Bagder chuckles |
| 08:37:09 | | Join matsl [0] (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) |
| 08:37:14 | merwin | Bagder: i'm telling ya.... he's military! |
| 08:37:17 | Bagder | hey ho matsl |
| 08:37:31 | Bagder | merwin: I think he works for some secret organization too |
| 08:37:42 | merwin | Bagder: yeah... haxx |
| 08:37:53 | Bagder | ough, that sounds really bad |
| 08:37:53 | matsl | hej Bagder |
| 08:38:34 | Bagder | matsl: that idefx person seems very much interested in making a database and search ability, I told him he could have a word with you about it |
| 08:39:07 | matsl | idefix? ;-) |
| 08:39:34 | Bagder | he's the one who posted the "seek" patch to the list |
| 08:39:57 | * | merwin really needs a bmp -> xbm converter |
| 08:40:02 | matsl | ok. He's welcome. |
| 08:40:29 | Bagder | merwin: xbm? use gimp! :-) or modify the bmp2rb |
| 08:41:14 | merwin | Bagder: There's a bug with the Custom WPS... One of my patches was taken out when the new custom wps came in. If you have "Remaining Time" instead of "Elapsed Time", when you FF or REW, it goes in the wrong direction :-) (ie: FF starts counting up instead of down) |
| 08:41:32 | LinusN | What's the difference between a Folder and a Directory (recorder/icons.h)? |
| 08:41:47 | Bagder | LinusN: check if both actually are used |
| 08:42:09 | merwin | Folder is a microsoft term, Directory isn't :) |
| 08:42:52 | LinusN | Directory is not used (in tree.c) |
| 08:43:18 | Bagder | throw it away |
| 08:43:48 | * | LinusN brings out his surgical blade |
| 08:43:59 | merwin | LinusN: those icons i used are the same as the Archos ones... in case you didn't notice. Thought i'd bring it up :) |
| 08:44:12 | LinusN | that's STEALING!!! |
| 08:44:14 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:44:21 | merwin | heh |
| 08:44:48 | matsl | lesser artists borrow, greater artists steal ... |
| 08:45:14 | matsl | stravinski?? |
| 08:45:27 | LinusN | merwin: we need a .MOD icon |
| 08:45:39 | merwin | LinusN: oh, so what do we do for THAT? |
| 08:45:42 | Bagder | yeps |
| 08:46:01 | LinusN | how does it look on the recorder? |
| 08:47:44 | LinusN | maybe a box with an X, for executable? |
| 08:49:23 | LinusN | or F, for firmware |
| 08:49:54 | Bagder | or K for kewlness ;-p |
| 08:50:06 | merwin | I like box with X |
| 08:50:11 | LinusN | or a lightning symbol, like a flash |
| 08:50:54 | merwin | LinusN: box with an x looks pretty good |
| 08:51:05 | LinusN | or a small picture of a processor with opcodes flying through the screen... :-) |
| 08:51:08 | merwin | haha |
| 08:51:16 | LinusN | animated |
| 08:51:24 | merwin | LinusN: it can be done :P |
| 08:51:29 | rwood | according to the main screen at rockbox, a mod/ajb icon was committed |
| 08:51:30 | LinusN | actually, animating the icons would be sooooooo cool |
| 08:51:41 | LinusN | it's empty |
| 08:51:52 | rwood | ok |
| 08:51:55 | LinusN | on my recorder |
| 08:52:05 | LinusN | but i havent upgraded since last night |
| 08:52:19 | Bagder | 0x63, 0x7f, 0x3a, 0x7f, 0x63, 0x00 |
| 08:52:24 | Bagder | it can't be empty |
| 08:53:10 | LinusN | my rockbox version is OLD! :-) |
| 08:53:24 | LinusN | gotta upgrade! |
| 08:53:37 | merwin | Bagder: what's that? |
| 08:54:02 | Bagder | that's the mod/ajz icon elinebe comitted |
| 08:54:06 | LinusN | the AJZ icon for the recorder |
| 08:54:12 | Bagder | I just checked the cvs diff |
| 08:55:57 | | Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:56:05 | Bagder | morning bobTHC |
| 08:56:09 | bobTHC | good morning |
| 08:56:34 | bobTHC | more vote ? |
| 08:56:59 | Bagder | 21 people voted so far |
| 08:57:07 | Bagder | we have 230+ people in the mailing list |
| 08:57:38 | bobTHC | yes, rockobox become famous... |
| 08:58:21 | Bagder | roccia boccia |
| 08:58:48 | Bagder | we should settle on a way to do the different languages |
| 08:59:26 | | Quit Hadaka (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 08:59:38 | bobTHC | yes, i talk aout that with quelsaruk.. |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:16 | Bagder | he and the german translations are obvious signs that we should make up our minds soon |
| 09:02:09 | bobTHC | the german version is a pure code translation but quelsaruk make a translation macro isn't it ? |
| 09:02:19 | PsycoXul | how hard would it be to have the player-new's use custom chars for the international ones that it's charmap is missing |
| 09:02:23 | Bagder | I don't know what he does, since he won't tell me ;-) |
| 09:02:36 | rwood | LinusN: i2c stuff on its way |
| 09:03:07 | bobTHC | in all case he want ure agrement before .... |
| 09:04:19 | bobTHC | <quelsaruk> said : " but just if the *big boss* likes the idea" |
| 09:04:19 | LinusN | rwood: great! |
| 09:04:32 | bobTHC | ;) |
| 09:05:05 | Bagder | bobTHC: well, some sort of access-macro is what we want I guess |
| 09:05:23 | bobTHC | it's a compile-time language selector |
| 09:05:47 | Bagder | if made smart, it can be either compile-time or run-time |
| 09:06:56 | merwin | LinusN: got a haxx logo for startup if you want :-) |
| 09:06:57 | merwin | static char player_haxx_icons[24] = |
| 09:06:57 | merwin | { |
| 09:06:57 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK merwin |
| 09:06:57 | merwin | 0x11, 0x11, 0x1f, 0x11, 0x11, 0x11, 0x11, 0x00, |
| 09:06:57 | merwin | 0x1e, 0x01, 0x0f, 0x11, 0x11, 0x11, 0x0f, 0x00, |
| 09:06:57 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 09:06:57 | merwin | 0x15, 0x11, 0x0a, 0x0e, 0x0a, 0x11, 0x11, 0x00 |
| 09:06:59 | merwin | }; /* H, A, X */ |
| 09:07:00 | bobTHC | badger I don't know details.... sorry |
| 09:07:01 | merwin | lcd_define_pattern(8,player_haxx_icons,24); |
| 09:07:03 | merwin | lcd_puts(2, 0, "\x01 \x02 \x03 \x03"); |
| 09:07:05 | merwin | for doubleheight of course |
| 09:07:29 | LinusN | merwin: sucking up, eh? :-) |
| 09:07:29 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 09:07:40 | merwin | LinusN: hehe... i figure haxx should get SOME credit in this |
| 09:07:56 | merwin | LinusN: it was actually one of the t-shirts that gave me the idea |
| 09:07:57 | rwood | double flash screen at startup? |
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| 09:08:24 | merwin | rwood: excuse me? |
| 09:08:31 | PsycoXul | i tried doing a rendition of the rockbox logo in custom chars at one point, but it wouldn't fit in 8 of them and came out crappy at that size anyways heh |
| 09:08:45 | rwood | merwin: haxx then rockbox |
| 09:08:48 | merwin | PsycoXul: yeah, me too :-) HAXX fits perfectly though |
| 09:08:50 | merwin | rwood: yeah... |
| 09:08:54 | merwin | rwood: it actually looks good |
| 09:09:07 | PsycoXul | woo earthquake |
| 09:09:11 | merwin | PsycoXul: hmm? |
| 09:09:24 | PsycoXul | i live in southern california |
| 09:09:31 | merwin | PsycoXul: enough said |
| 09:09:37 | rwood | PsycoXul: what part? |
| 09:09:47 | PsycoXul | san bernardino county |
| 09:09:58 | rwood | i'm orange county |
| 09:10:10 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 09:10:56 | PsycoXul | so did you feel that jolt a minute ago? |
| 09:11:12 | mecraw | rwood: where in OC? |
| 09:11:21 | rwood | no - must not have been that strong |
| 09:11:29 | rwood | mecraw: Newport Beach |
| 09:11:45 | mecraw | rwood: i just moved from irvine |
| 09:11:54 | merwin | LinusN/Bagder: one thing about the player's startup rockbox logo that I just noticed... the doubleheight on the new LCD cuts out the version number. I think the version should be included personally :) |
| 09:12:01 | rwood | mecraw: welcome to town! |
| 09:12:15 | rwood | mecraw: school or work |
| 09:12:41 | mecraw | rwood: i just left OC... work in Denver now |
| 09:13:01 | rwood | mecraw: sorry i miss read |
| 09:13:24 | Bagder | the not-spin-down-that-fast fix is a really good improvement when moving along to next-song a few times |
| 09:13:35 | merwin | Bagder: agreed |
| 09:13:47 | Bagder | so much more responsive |
| 09:13:48 | rwood | Bagder: amen |
| 09:16:05 | LinusN | merwin: how's it going with the mod/ajz icon? |
| 09:16:25 | merwin | LinusN: oh, heh... it's done... i'll give you the code in about 30 seconds |
| 09:16:58 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 09:17:05 | mecraw | not one commit in 3 hours?!! :( |
| 09:17:18 | Bagder | lazy gits |
| 09:17:39 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 09:17:39 | * | Bagder actually works |
| 09:17:47 | merwin | LinusN: 0x1f, 0x11, 0x1b, 0x15, 0x1b, 0x11, 0x1f, 0x00 |
| 09:17:49 | bobTHC | somebody ask info on the undocumented FF/RW "2x" option what is it? |
| 09:18:25 | Bagder | I think it means "double" and the other number is in how many seconds |
| 09:18:35 | Bagder | that's my theory ;-) |
| 09:18:46 | bobTHC | so it's ok, it's my theory too... ;) |
| 09:18:47 | LinusN | yes, it doubles the step size every Y seconds |
| 09:19:36 | bobTHC | it's what i tell him.... |
| 09:19:59 | merwin | we should probably document that feature (if it isn't) |
| 09:20:35 | bobTHC | yep.. |
| 09:20:54 | matsl | Bagder: [ rockbox-Feature Requests-603569 ] Playlist only filter. I have one supporter! ;-) |
| 09:20:55 | bobTHC | "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rich Cook |
| 09:21:45 | Bagder | matsl: I doubt that they want the directories cut out like you did anyway |
| 09:22:20 | merwin | LinusN: what did that e-mail mean about an "Empty Cup"? The progress cup is on the player :) |
| 09:22:55 | PsycoXul | merwin: i wondered that too |
| 09:23:14 | matsl | Bagder: Ha! You still don't see the light ;-) |
| 09:23:20 | Bagder | hehe |
| 09:23:24 | PsycoXul | i also wonder how you could have a play time larger than the total track time |
| 09:23:25 | Bagder | I only use resume |
| 09:23:33 | Bagder | I could remove the dir browser ;*) |
| 09:24:16 | Bagder | well, a VBR song without xing tag must be rather uncertain, isn't it? |
| 09:24:26 | Bagder | total time that is |
| 09:24:27 | PsycoXul | matsl: why not just put all your mp3 directories into a .mp3 directory |
| 09:25:07 | LinusN | Bagder: indeed |
| 09:25:13 | PsycoXul | Bagder: ah |
| 09:25:17 | merwin | LinusN: how's the player/ dir going? |
| 09:25:33 | LinusN | well, i think. give me a few more minutes |
| 09:26:02 | merwin | LinusN: I've gotta have the cvs with the icons in it for my flight tomorrow :-) |
| 09:26:19 | LinusN | no problems |
| 09:27:01 | PsycoXul | hmm... |
| 09:27:03 | matsl | PsycoXul: Yeah, why not. Its just a matter of regenerating all my m3u-files. |
| 09:27:10 | PsycoXul | i just remembered i think i made a rockbox logo |
| 09:27:32 | PsycoXul | matsl: :%s#^#/.mp3#g |
| 09:27:47 | | Quit merwin () |
| 09:27:53 | PsycoXul | or something along those lines :p |
| 09:28:13 | matsl | PsycoXul: easy for me but maybe not as easy for a non programmer. |
| 09:28:27 | | Join merwin|away [0] (~merwin@12.242.185.10) |
| 09:28:29 | | Nick merwin|away is now known as merwin- (~merwin@12.242.185.10) |
| 09:28:30 | PsycoXul | oh come on |
| 09:28:33 | | Nick merwin- is now known as merwin (~merwin@12.242.185.10) |
| 09:28:37 | PsycoXul | who doesn't know how to do a search and replace? |
| 09:28:50 | matsl | My mother!? |
| 09:28:54 | PsycoXul | really? |
| 09:29:00 | PsycoXul | my mother does, i'm pretty sure... |
| 09:29:06 | PsycoXul | oh well |
| 09:29:14 | matsl | Sallute to your mother. |
| 09:29:16 | rwood | my wife - only search and destroy |
| 09:29:20 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 09:29:56 | PsycoXul | personally i don't even mess with playlists untill rockbox can make them |
| 09:29:58 | * | Bagder imagines rwood trying to hide from her wife when hacking on rolo |
| 09:29:58 | matsl | Well I haven't checked the darn thing in so I really respect you view! |
| 09:30:04 | Bagder | hm his |
| 09:30:04 | PsycoXul | i never listen to the same one twice |
| 09:30:15 | PsycoXul | in general |
| 09:30:27 | Bagder | I do playlists with find |
| 09:30:52 | PsycoXul | yeah i used find to make my last wholedisk.m3u |
| 09:30:54 | rwood | she's looking at me funny - from what she's heard about chat rooms she thinks it's perverted |
| 09:31:02 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 09:31:03 | PsycoXul | i should update that since i've added stuff |
| 09:31:05 | Bagder | it *is* |
| 09:31:06 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 09:31:07 | matsl | I'm old. I want the playlist to be the same order as on the album. |
| 09:31:36 | PsycoXul | matsl: i do to |
| 09:31:44 | PsycoXul | but i like different selections of albums |
| 09:32:15 | PsycoXul | or to shuffle the whole disk if i can't decide on anything |
| 09:32:45 | PsycoXul | i hate the repeat that can't be turned off |
| 09:32:46 | matsl | Zagor suggested that a directory sort could list the m3u's first. |
| 09:33:00 | PsycoXul | i always end up listening to an album 1.5 - 3 times before i get around to changing it |
| 09:33:16 | LinusN | i have many mixed-artist albums, and i can't decide whether to organize by artist or by album |
| 09:33:34 | rwood | or by genre |
| 09:33:45 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 09:33:55 | PsycoXul | i'd have a hard time organizing by genre |
| 09:34:06 | * | matsl sits on his hands to avoid the 200 file discussion |
| 09:34:13 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 09:34:14 | PsycoXul | i don't even know a good portion of what i listen to would be classified |
| 09:34:20 | PsycoXul | and if i found out, i probably wouldn't agree with it :p |
| 09:34:24 | Bagder | hey, its the 400-discussion now ;-) |
| 09:34:37 | LinusN | merwin: i'm committing now |
| 09:34:48 | matsl | you said it bagder |
| 09:35:09 | Bagder | "but why can you..." :*) |
| 09:35:49 | merwin | okey |
| 09:35:53 | merwin | LinusN: do we have rolo? |
| 09:36:33 | Bagder | no rolo committed yet |
| 09:36:47 | merwin | Bagder: hmm... Zagor's futile attempt at a non-asm version? |
| 09:36:51 | merwin | :) |
| 09:37:00 | rwood | merwin: Zagor modified it to get rid of asm - he had one last problem that i think i solved |
| 09:37:02 | Bagder | he said it worked before |
| 09:37:08 | merwin | rwood: nice |
| 09:37:23 | LinusN | zagor can't get rid of the asm without putting the code in iram |
| 09:37:27 | merwin | rwood: so it works on the player and recorder now? |
| 09:37:49 | | Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 09:37:51 | LinusN | all he can do is to move the asm code to crt0.S |
| 09:37:59 | Zagor | ey! |
| 09:38:01 | rwood | LinusN: he made a new section at top of mem and moves in crt0 |
| 09:38:19 | LinusN | rwood: yeah, and what did we gain? |
| 09:38:21 | Bagder | all hide from ... the Code Police! |
| 09:38:29 | rwood | Zagor: did you get my email? |
| 09:38:45 | Zagor | rwood: starting up now... |
| 09:38:48 | rwood | LinusN: don't ask me - i just work here |
| 09:39:33 | Zagor | LinusN: we gained not needing a special rolo assembly routine |
| 09:40:45 | Zagor | rwood: doh, obvious solution. thanks! |
| 09:40:57 | rwood | Zagor: my pleasure |
| 09:41:02 | LinusN | but we also got even more special sections in the linker command file |
| 09:41:34 | Zagor | LinusN: so? |
| 09:42:03 | * | Bagder awaits the red build for broken simulators B-] |
| 09:42:14 | LinusN | i thought the rolo asm code was more straightforward |
| 09:42:14 | merwin | heh |
| 09:42:43 | Zagor | more straight-forward than a linker section? i, um, disagree |
| 09:43:17 | LinusN | you're the boss |
| 09:44:33 | Zagor | this was what we discussed previously |
| 09:45:12 | LinusN | yeah, i also thought a special section would be good, until i tried it |
| 09:45:56 | Zagor | what is the downside, in your opinion? |
| 09:47:52 | LinusN | have you done it? |
| 09:47:57 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:48:32 | LinusN | ok, maybe you found an easier solution than i did, then |
| 09:48:56 | Zagor | I do it exactly like .icode |
| 09:49:57 | LinusN | ok, how did you place it at the top? |
| 09:50:23 | Zagor | like .icode. 7 line copy loop in crt0.S |
| 09:51:00 | LinusN | no, in the linker script |
| 09:51:32 | Zagor | ah. i simply cut 0x300 bytes off .mp3end and top .topram there. |
| 09:51:56 | Zagor | s/top/put/ |
| 09:52:10 | LinusN | cheater :-) |
| 09:52:13 | Zagor | .mp3end 0x09200000 - 0x300: |
| 09:52:20 | Zagor | .topram : AT ( _topramcopy ) |
| 09:52:23 | Zagor | :-) |
| 09:52:55 | LinusN | booooh |
| 09:53:09 | Zagor | yeah, it would be better to have dynamic size but I couldn't figure out how to do that so this will do for now |
| 09:53:37 | LinusN | i figured that out, and found that i liked the rolo asm better :-) |
| 09:53:44 | Zagor | haha |
| 09:55:17 | LinusN | merwin: committed |
| 09:55:27 | Zagor | Bagder: I want player custom-icon support in the simulator... |
| 09:55:37 | * | LinusN is waiting for all the reds on the build page... |
| 09:55:42 | Bagder | shouldn't be very hard to add |
| 09:55:54 | Bagder | LinusN: does any code actually use those player icons? |
| 09:56:19 | Zagor | it does now |
| 09:56:44 | Bagder | so why does the simulator build fine? |
| 09:57:30 | Zagor | because you haven't updated :-) |
| 09:57:38 | Bagder | ? |
| 09:57:43 | Bagder | I speak of the daily build |
| 09:57:46 | Bagder | they're green |
| 09:57:48 | Bagder | all of them |
| 09:57:52 | Zagor | LinusN: just checked in code that uses it |
| 09:58:00 | Bagder | ok |
| 09:58:17 | Bagder | I see now |
| 09:58:19 | Zagor | the only current code is player_progress_meter, but that is #ifdef:d |
| 09:58:31 | Bagder | so now it'll go red |
| 09:58:37 | Bagder | in 2 minutes |
| 09:58:41 | Bagder | and counting |
| 09:58:50 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:59:54 | LinusN | so should we add a stub? |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:00:11 | LinusN | okidoki |
| 10:00:16 | Bagder | and modify the simulator's makefile to use the icons stuff |
| 10:01:03 | LinusN | should i put it in lcd_x11.c? |
| 10:01:23 | Bagder | you can put it in common |
| 10:01:28 | LinusN | or common/stubs.c? |
| 10:01:35 | Bagder | that's better |
| 10:01:42 | Bagder | works for both x11 and win32 |
| 10:05:43 | LinusN | does the player sim need the recorder directory? |
| 10:05:59 | Bagder | no, I don't think so |
| 10:06:03 | Bagder | uh |
| 10:06:09 | Bagder | yes it might |
| 10:06:14 | LinusN | silly |
| 10:06:19 | Bagder | not at all |
| 10:06:22 | Zagor | why would it? |
| 10:06:34 | Bagder | since the player sim uses the recorder lcd functions heavily |
| 10:06:39 | merwin | LinusN: MOD and ZIP icons aren't displayed |
| 10:06:45 | LinusN | and i do find that silly |
| 10:06:48 | merwin | ZIP meaning unknown |
| 10:06:52 | Bagder | LinusN: then you fix it ;-) |
| 10:06:59 | Zagor | yeah, but the recorder dir is just icons and games |
| 10:07:06 | Bagder | true |
| 10:07:08 | LinusN | merwin: that is because there are no file attributes for that |
| 10:07:11 | Bagder | those shouldn't be needed |
| 10:07:29 | Zagor | merwin: .mod icons coming up. why should we show .zip? |
| 10:07:34 | merwin | LinusN: shouldn't MOD have the X displayed next to it? |
| 10:07:42 | merwin | Zagor: NO icon is shown for any of the unknown files :) |
| 10:07:44 | LinusN | merwin: that is because there are no file attributes for that |
| 10:08:06 | Zagor | merwin: i think that's good. then you know that they are not handled by rockbox. |
| 10:08:14 | LinusN | merwin: the icon is defined, but the extension pattern match isn't |
| 10:08:28 | merwin | LinusN: ah |
| 10:09:10 | merwin | I just ran into the problem where a file in all lowercase is displayed in all uppercase on the rockbox |
| 10:09:34 | Bagder | is it *really* all lowercase in the fat? |
| 10:09:54 | Bagder | that is probably windows playing a joke on you |
| 10:09:59 | merwin | Bagder: yeah, i dropped to a dos prompt and looked at it |
| 10:10:17 | Zagor | merwin: we don't change the case of filenames |
| 10:10:20 | merwin | Bagder: the dos prompt shows the case correctly |
| 10:10:28 | Bagder | I don't trust any windows tools to show the correct case |
| 10:10:45 | Zagor | merwin: how long is the filename? |
| 10:11:19 | merwin | Zagor: 8x3... |
| 10:11:23 | merwin | here is a normal display of a file |
| 10:11:26 | merwin | 05/09/2002 04:49p <DIR> DATA Data |
| 10:11:38 | merwin | DATA being the 8x3, and Data being the VFAT |
| 10:11:50 | merwin | 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 default.wps |
| 10:12:01 | merwin | That's my default.wps... there is no 8x3? |
| 10:12:04 | Zagor | no. "Data" is what windows converts it into. short filenames don't have a VFAT entry. |
| 10:12:29 | merwin | 01/04/2001 09:28a 814,382 SETUP.ZIP Setup.zip |
| 10:12:54 | Zagor | yeah, but try making it "SetUp.zip". you won't succeed. |
| 10:13:16 | merwin | 01/04/2001 09:28a 814,382 SETUP.ZIP SetUp.zip |
| 10:13:40 | Zagor | hmm? strange. |
| 10:13:41 | merwin | interesting |
| 10:14:20 | merwin | Zagor: i would put money on the fact that if i rename default.wps to default.rwps that it would display in lowercase |
| 10:14:43 | Zagor | of course. default.rwps is not a 8+3 filename |
| 10:16:00 | merwin | Zagor: i think i have an explaination... hold on |
| 10:16:58 | merwin | There's a setting in Win2k/XP that says: |
| 10:16:59 | merwin | If "Create 8+3 filenames" is activated (default), Windows also creates a 8+3 filename for each file. Only 16-bit apps will need those 8+3 names, so if you don't have any legacy programs you can properly deactivate this option. |
| 10:17:27 | merwin | it says it's only for NTFS (which my hard drive is formatted as), but maybe that's affecting this somehow |
| 10:17:50 | merwin | because the SETUP.ZIP also has a SetUp.zip, but for some reason there is no MSDOS filename for config.wps |
| 10:18:02 | | Quit Zagor (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 10:18:12 | merwin | i guess zagor didn't agree :) |
| 10:18:16 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 10:18:21 | Bagder | peer killed him |
| 10:18:22 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 10:18:31 | LinusN | mixed case names always have long names |
| 10:18:57 | merwin | LinusN: Check this out |
| 10:18:58 | merwin | 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 default.wps |
| 10:19:06 | merwin | 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 DEFAULT.WPS deFault.wps |
| 10:19:19 | merwin | if i put a capitol F in it, it'll display correctly on the rockbox |
| 10:19:39 | LinusN | define "correctly" |
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| 10:20:30 | merwin | correctly meaning contains lowercase letters also :) Windows and Linux will display default.wps in lowercase, but rockbox displays it in uppercase |
| 10:20:31 | Zagor | whoa. what a ride! |
| 10:22:52 | LinusN | Bagder: the sim makefile can't build without the games and screensavers |
| 10:23:36 | LinusN | merwin: correctly in my world is displaying what FAT says... |
| 10:24:22 | merwin | LinusN: well, yes, but if every other OS that supports FAT32 will display it in lowercase, we might as well do that also :) |
| 10:25:03 | Bagder | LinusN: that seems wrong, I agree |
| 10:25:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:25:42 | Zagor | as far as I can remember, 8+3 files are not supposed to *have* long entries. |
| 10:25:52 | merwin | Zagor: they don't, that's why it displays them in all uppercase |
| 10:26:09 | rwood | bedtime for bonzo - see ya tommorrow |
| 10:26:10 | merwin | Zagor: so there is absolutely no way to create an 8x3 file that will display in lowercase on the rockbox |
| 10:26:15 | merwin | Zagor: that's the only thing that i have a problem with :) |
| 10:26:17 | | Quit rwood () |
| 10:26:39 | Zagor | merwin: if there are no long entries, how come you have them on windows? |
| 10:26:51 | merwin | <merwin> 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 default.wps |
| 10:26:51 | merwin | <merwin> 09/02/2002 02:02p 54 DEFAULT.WPS deFault.wps |
| 10:26:59 | merwin | Zagor: there isn't one for the all-lowercase apparently |
| 10:27:07 | LinusN | Zagor: mixed case names always have long names |
| 10:27:27 | Zagor | LinusN: ah, of course |
| 10:30:09 | Zagor | any word from hes yet? |
| 10:30:30 | LinusN | now i wish someone could fix the win32 simulator... |
| 10:30:39 | | Join alkorr [0] (alkorr@ASte-Genev-Bois-110-1-3-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:30:49 | alkorr | Hi ! |
| 10:30:50 | LinusN | yo alan! |
| 10:31:00 | bobTHC | hi |
| 10:31:48 | Zagor | LinusN: you can start with fixing the x11 sim :-) |
| 10:32:00 | Zagor | just kidding |
| 10:33:53 | alkorr | it would be too cool if we can compile the same code of uisimulator either under cygwin or VC or X11. |
| 10:34:11 | Zagor | alkorr: win32 doesn't have much X11 support :-) |
| 10:34:46 | merwin | someone should create a full linux distribution in Cygwin that boots to X11 :) |
| 10:35:39 | matsl | Zagor: there are X-support libraries under cygwin. |
| 10:35:44 | alkorr | cygwin can run X11 ;P |
| 10:36:22 | matsl | Zagor: I have tried it once and it works. |
| 10:36:30 | Zagor | then what's the problem? just compile it. |
| 10:36:46 | alkorr | it is stupid to do so |
| 10:36:57 | merwin | alkorr: yes, but someone should create a full version that comes with KDE, StarOffice, etc, etc. |
| 10:37:13 | Zagor | merwin: why? run linux, like any sane person |
| 10:37:51 | merwin | Zagor: but under cygwin you can run 100% of win32 apps also... which i need for my job |
| 10:38:10 | matsl | merwin: By vmware. |
| 10:38:26 | matsl | s/By/Buy |
| 10:38:56 | merwin | matsl: I do have VMWare, but my company provided laptop isn't quite fast enough to do a realtime job of the apps that I need to have access to :-) |
| 10:39:25 | matsl | merwin: Buy a new laptop ;-) |
| 10:39:42 | merwin | matsl: it's company provided... i can't get one until they say i can :) |
| 10:39:47 | merwin | i'm their bitch |
| 10:40:34 | matsl | merwin: Does the company object to that you provied your own hardware ;-) |
| 10:42:38 | merwin | matsl: I don't really have the 2k to spend on a new laptop |
| 10:43:41 | matsl | merwin: :-( |
| 10:44:41 | merwin | matsl: if i did have that much money i'd definately not have this compaq piece of shit p3-700 (sounds decent, but it's a mobile p3... slow as shit :-) |
| 10:45:01 | alkorr | the only valuable solution is to use SDL because it is multiplatform (windows, unix, beos, mac) and can handle video,sound,threads and files in a much simpler way |
| 10:45:14 | Bagder | not at all |
| 10:45:19 | Bagder | because we have all the code today |
| 10:45:25 | Bagder | going SDL is much more work |
| 10:45:51 | alkorr | well once done all extension to be done would be for all platform |
| 10:45:52 | Bagder | but if someone makes it, then it'll be fun |
| 10:45:53 | merwin | Bagder: but in the long run it'll provide the most comprehensive |
| 10:46:00 | Bagder | possibly |
| 10:46:21 | Bagder | I am not convinced that is true |
| 10:46:23 | Zagor | but we don't need openGL graphics and sound playback |
| 10:46:33 | merwin | it would be nice to have sound playback |
| 10:47:04 | Zagor | it would be horrible, since the mpeg thread is very target specific |
| 10:47:18 | Zagor | nice for fun, maybe. bad for debugging. |
| 10:47:27 | Bagder | I wouldn't want sound, but I could have a more target-looking mpeg thread |
| 10:47:52 | LinusN | i want a more player-like player LCD simulation |
| 10:48:04 | Bagder | so what's wrong with it now? |
| 10:48:16 | Bagder | not looking like the player LCD font? |
| 10:48:47 | LinusN | exactly, and no user-defined characters |
| 10:49:04 | Bagder | well, the user-defined part can easily be added |
| 10:49:40 | Zagor | fonts too, if someone hacks up a font file |
| 10:49:46 | Bagder | very true |
| 10:49:49 | merwin | a quick lcd font file |
| 10:50:01 | Bagder | besides, how the font look doesn't matter much to how we program it |
| 10:50:08 | Bagder | we can still test most of the things in the sim |
| 10:50:35 | Bagder | as long as the APIs and behaviors are fine |
| 10:51:15 | * | merwin is going to bed... see y'all in 7 hours |
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| 10:51:23 | LinusN | night merwin |
| 10:51:27 | merwin | nite |
| 10:51:27 | Bagder | night merwin |
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| 10:52:01 | idefx | Matsl, i've been told to talk to you, you're working to kind of db stuff, isn't it ? |
| 10:53:11 | Zagor | LinusN: did you try icons on your player-old? |
| 10:53:36 | LinusN | oops |
| 10:53:52 | merwin|zzzzz | , |
| 10:54:07 | merwin|zzzzz | LinusN: how many user config chars can the player-old have? |
| 10:54:10 | matsl | idefx: I droped a mail to you |
| 10:54:12 | Bagder | talking in his sleep? ;-) |
| 10:54:12 | LinusN | 4 |
| 10:54:20 | merwin|zzzzz | LinusN: oops |
| 10:54:21 | Zagor | it appears to kill the contrast when displaying icons. very odd. |
| 10:54:30 | merwin|zzzzz | LinusN: we have more than 4, huh? |
| 10:54:45 | Bagder | at the same time? |
| 10:54:50 | idefx | matsl: Did you ? i didn't receive it i think. Maybe i should verify |
| 10:54:58 | matsl | idefx: I'm not really working on it. Just started to look at a java app that could get the id3 |
| 10:55:01 | LinusN | at the same time |
| 10:55:13 | merwin|zzzzz | Zagor: could be because we're putting 6 or so characters into something that can only handle 4 custom chars? |
| 10:55:26 | idefx | yes i received it. I'm reading it.. |
| 10:55:28 | matsl | idefx: But need idea on how the db should be organized. |
| 10:56:01 | merwin|zzzzz | ok, real bed now. heh |
| 10:56:12 | * | merwin|zzzzz is shutting his laptop lid! |
| 10:56:32 | LinusN | i'm fixing the old-player now |
| 10:56:54 | idefx | OK: I only thought about a search string feature, case-insensitive, on the name/title/artist and album of each mp3 entries. |
| 10:57:28 | idefx | In fact, i implemented the search function, but it takes too long to run on the device... |
| 10:58:39 | matsl | idefx: Well, if there is a db why not go all the way and use it for browsing dir and browsing playlists etc. |
| 10:59:26 | bobTHC | idfx : how many time for a request ? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:12 | idefx | matsl: yes, that's why i say you that i 'only thought about a search function', what you think about can go much further... But i'd be happy to work on it |
| 11:00:33 | idefx | bobTHC: i'm beginning a test... |
| 11:01:33 | idefx | 45 sec for 64 files |
| 11:01:41 | bobTHC | ouch... |
| 11:02:02 | idefx | with a 2 word request ("the u") |
| 11:02:23 | matsl | idefx: Well, I think it was LinusN idea from the start. Iwas just looking for a reason for hacking java. |
| 11:03:22 | idefx | OK, so, we have to think about what feature add in the db. |
| 11:03:40 | matsl | idefx: To be honest I haven't thought about what limits there might be to the db solution. It might have its problems too. |
| 11:04:22 | idefx | What is the ram size ?? |
| 11:04:37 | Bagder | idefx: 2MB |
| 11:04:47 | Bagder | for *everything* |
| 11:05:47 | Zagor | idefx: think kilobytes, not megabytes |
| 11:05:52 | matsl | So the db-solution should use no more RAM than the current browse filesystem. |
| 11:06:00 | idefx | Zagor: i know... |
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| 11:07:24 | matsl | So browsing the filesystem creating on huge XML-file is probably not the way to go. |
| 11:07:27 | Bagder | someone should write up docs on how to setup a cross-compiler env with cygwin on windows |
| 11:07:35 | Bagder | since that's the best windows env |
| 11:08:07 | idefx | matsl: sure... |
| 11:08:16 | Hes | Create a locatedb (a binary tree in a file of some sort) by an external utility, searching it should be fast and not memory intensive... |
| 11:08:29 | Hes | write perl and windows programs to create the db |
| 11:08:38 | langhaarrocker | topic cygwin: There surely is a way to edit some initializing script so that can set the path? Where is it? What's it's name? |
| 11:08:41 | Zagor | matsl: xml files are not very search-friendly. we should probably use fixed-field index files for quick scanning |
| 11:08:45 | | Part LinusN |
| 11:09:11 | Hes | if the file would be sorted you could do a quick search in it |
| 11:09:22 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 11:09:25 | LinusN | woooo |
| 11:09:38 | LinusN | i guess usb-storage has a few bugs left... |
| 11:09:53 | Bagder | well, sorted won't do since it should contain all sorts of data and it can't be sorted on all of them |
| 11:10:10 | idefx | Just a silly question: couldn't it be possible to use another fs than fat ??? for as far as i remember, some filesystem (like reiserfs) are db-based. Reiserfs is too complicated for an archos, but, maybe create another one ?? |
| 11:10:42 | bobTHC | and lost the portable HD capacity ? |
| 11:10:45 | Bagder | that is not really the sensible approach to this problem anyway ;-) |
| 11:11:07 | Bagder | idefx: think "windows compatibility" |
| 11:11:08 | matsl | Hes: I know perl is preferable but I need to refresh my java. It can allways be ported. Besides I haven't started yet, |
| 11:11:29 | Bagder | if the file format is just defined, anyone could write tools to generate the file(s) |
| 11:11:48 | matsl | Right. |
| 11:12:25 | bobTHC | matsl : when u build java Virtual Machine for rockbox ? ;) |
| 11:12:28 | idefx | well, someone here may be able to write a windows driver.. and, maybe partition the HD, on fat partition to put the driver, and the rest in idefx-fs(trademark), so, it could be used on windows ;) |
| 11:12:51 | Bagder | idefx: sure, come back when you're done and we'll consider your patch ;-) |
| 11:13:08 | idefx | Bagder :=))) |
| 11:14:44 | | Nick matsl is now known as matsl|busy (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) |
| 11:15:01 | Hes | LinusN: usb-storage crashes my SMP boxes maybe 2 times of 3 inserts |
| 11:15:08 | idefx | the fact is it sounds silly to make a db each time we add/modify a file, whereas we could make a db-fs... But... you know... still looks difficult ;) |
| 11:15:29 | Bagder | idefx: I disagree, making a new fs seems a lot more silly to me |
| 11:15:59 | idefx | Bagder: It looks difficult, but more logical.. |
| 11:16:06 | Bagder | I disagree |
| 11:16:09 | Bagder | it is not in my head |
| 11:16:31 | Bagder | Archos is successul a lot thanks to the fat |
| 11:16:47 | bobTHC | the really question is it's possible to make an incremential db directly with the device or update a the db itch time with the pc... |
| 11:16:58 | idefx | I know some guy that liked too modify the firmware, and have re-written it from the beginning. Sounds logical. |
| 11:17:19 | langhaarrocker | Is there some code somewhere where I can spy how to receive events from the remote control? |
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| 11:17:34 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 11:17:54 | bobTHC | 1-800-MULTILANG is here yo! |
| 11:17:54 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: they are simply buttons |
| 11:18:50 | idefx | well, a question would be: a single file db, or one db per directory ? |
| 11:19:10 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: button_get() gets remote control events too |
| 11:20:56 | quelsaruk | Bagder: shoul i explain my idea of multilanguage support here or by mail? I normally don't explain myself quite well, so if you don't understand anything i can re-explain it :) |
| 11:21:22 | idefx | well, is there a project to implement recording function in the moment ? |
| 11:22:07 | LinusN | idefx: no, not until we have filesystem writes |
| 11:22:17 | Bagder | quelsaruk: I prefer mail, since I'm not too concentrated on this IRC conversation |
| 11:22:22 | quelsaruk | ok :) |
| 11:22:29 | idefx | and someone working on filesystem write ?? |
| 11:22:40 | Zagor | idefx: i am |
| 11:22:55 | idefx | Zagor: oK |
| 11:23:45 | idefx | just another question, has anyone test the recording (from the stock firmware) from the digital in ?? does it work ? |
| 11:24:09 | bobTHC | yes but SCMS work too |
| 11:24:28 | bobTHC | but u can desactivate it ... |
| 11:24:53 | Zagor | that'll be a nice can of worms... |
| 11:25:24 | idefx | bobTHC: is it softwared ?? |
| 11:25:24 | LinusN | when RIAA sues Rockbox you mean? |
| 11:25:31 | Zagor | LinusN: yeah |
| 11:25:40 | Bagder | that'll be a fun day ;-P |
| 11:26:17 | bobTHC | yes because a hack exist on the stock version |
| 11:26:48 | idefx | bobTHC: what hack ??? |
| 11:26:55 | LinusN | buah! |
| 11:27:25 | bobTHC | Put in the following as the new artists name: HFSCMSOFF |
| 11:27:42 | LinusN | i can't use the user-defined icon 0, because it terminates the string! :-( |
| 11:27:50 | bobTHC | too hard isn'it ? |
| 11:27:50 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 11:27:55 | Zagor | LinusN: :) |
| 11:28:08 | LinusN | gah, time for a lcd_putchar() function |
| 11:28:26 | LinusN | lcd_putch() |
| 11:28:30 | LinusN | lcd_putc() |
| 11:28:32 | LinusN | ? |
| 11:28:44 | Bagder | putc() |
| 11:28:49 | idefx | bobTHC: OK, thks |
| 11:28:50 | Zagor | yup |
| 11:33:05 | | Quit idefx ("BitchX: a modern client for a old world") |
| 11:33:08 | Bagder | Zagor: I got the most interesting crash this morning |
| 11:33:35 | Bagder | with disk spindown at 5 sec, it reboots when entering wps after having loaded my full playlist and done the shuffle |
| 11:33:45 | Bagder | every time |
| 11:33:48 | Zagor | ! |
| 11:33:55 | Bagder | increasing it to 6 secs make it survive |
| 11:34:36 | | Nick matsl|busy is now known as matsl (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) |
| 11:34:43 | Bagder | kind of not good |
| 11:34:53 | Zagor | kind of :-) |
| 11:35:06 | LinusN | we very much need a spindown handler that doesn't spin down in the middle of a read |
| 11:36:00 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:39:47 | quelsaruk | Bagder: message sent, i hope you can understand my english :) |
| 11:40:22 | Bagder | quelsaruk: I'm sure I will, or I'll ask for clarification |
| 11:40:23 | LinusN | now both players work with custom characters |
| 11:40:27 | quelsaruk | of course, as soon as i finish this, i could send it to you so you can see what i mean |
| 11:40:59 | LinusN | we may want to move the custom chars in the translation tables |
| 11:42:08 | quelsaruk | sorry, LinusN, who are you talking to? |
| 11:42:41 | LinusN | i 'm speaking about the custom defined characters on the player LCD's |
| 11:42:56 | quelsaruk | ahhh |
| 11:42:59 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 11:43:33 | LinusN | they are characters codes 0-3 and 0-7 recpectively |
| 11:43:39 | Zagor | the players really are significantly faster than recorders |
| 11:43:51 | LinusN | character code 0 conflicts with the string terminator |
| 11:43:52 | Zagor | it's very noticeable in the rolo descrambling |
| 11:44:06 | Zagor | ROLO going in now |
| 11:44:13 | * | Bagder hoorays |
| 11:44:19 | LinusN | descrambling code in IRAM perhaps? |
| 11:44:34 | Zagor | LinusN: nah, we're not really in a hurry doing it |
| 11:44:38 | LinusN | ROLO r0000lz! |
| 11:44:44 | Bagder | ROOOOLOZ |
| 11:45:05 | Zagor | that "poor man's ROR" is probably what's taking the most time |
| 11:45:19 | LinusN | maybe a lookup table? |
| 11:45:24 | matsl | When I max bass or treble the volume gets lower. feature, bug, known? |
| 11:45:29 | Zagor | i just noticed, again, how much difference there is |
| 11:45:40 | Zagor | LinusN: why do we want it 1s instead of 2s? no point. |
| 11:45:42 | LinusN | matsl: a necessary feature to avoid distortion |
| 11:46:07 | matsl | LinusN: So I gather. rather unexpected though. |
| 11:46:30 | LinusN | we are working on a smoother calculation |
| 11:47:14 | LinusN | the resolution of the volume compensation can be better |
| 11:47:35 | matsl | smoother? How can making the volume lower be made smoother |
| 11:47:37 | matsl | ;-) |
| 11:48:04 | LinusN | in smaller steps... |
| 11:49:22 | LinusN | ROLO ROCKS!!!!!!! |
| 11:49:45 | matsl | Hmm... Shouldn't volume, bass and treble be one function then. they all depend on each other? |
| 11:50:11 | LinusN | the caller of those functions may not know all values |
| 11:50:37 | LinusN | and the compensation is done by the driver, not by the application |
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| 11:51:35 | LinusN | at last i can load the gdb stub without USB! |
| 11:51:51 | Bagder | that's cool indeed |
| 11:52:18 | LinusN | f*ckin awesome! |
| 11:52:39 | LinusN | but should the volume name really show in the directory? |
| 11:53:53 | Bagder | <CmdrTaco> I'll probably post something about rockbox sooner or later. |
| 11:53:56 | matsl | LinusN: I don't mean function as in C-function but rather that they arrarently depend on each other. |
| 11:54:08 | matsl | s/arra/appa |
| 11:54:09 | Bagder | celebrity users are good ;-) |
| 11:54:11 | LinusN | yes they do |
| 11:55:13 | matsl | LinusN: If you have to lower the volume when bass is increased maybe the volume shouldn't have been allowed to be set that high before. What am I missing? |
| 11:55:57 | Zagor | gah! I have to fix the F2/F3 stuff so people stop adding all kinds of fetures to F2... |
| 11:55:58 | LinusN | matsl: we want to allow for maximum volume at all times |
| 11:57:01 | matsl | I understand. behavior need to be documented. Its a surprising feature. |
| 11:57:19 | LinusN | it won't be as surprising when we have increased the resolution |
| 11:57:42 | Bagder | we don't document anything so why should that be documented? B) |
| 11:57:44 | matsl | LinusN: Don't you expect users to hear that the volume get slower? |
| 11:57:48 | Bagder | see the player manual |
| 11:57:59 | matsl | RTFM? ;-) |
| 11:58:09 | Bagder | the player users read the recorder manual |
| 11:58:15 | Bagder | since it is more complete |
| 11:58:29 | matsl | ok. |
| 11:58:55 | Zagor | we should probably mix it more, so we don't duplicate so much into |
| 11:58:56 | * | Bagder utters subtle complaints about player developers not updating the manual ;-) |
| 11:58:57 | Zagor | info |
| 11:59:06 | Bagder | yes |
| 11:59:12 | Bagder | or use proper #includes |
| 11:59:35 | * | matsl things some things conserns both player and recorder |
| 12:00 |
| 12:00:14 | LinusN | matsl: we should document it, yes |
| 12:01:24 | matsl | About the manual. Where is it? Looked in docs but ... ?? |
| 12:01:32 | Zagor | www/manual |
| 12:01:59 | matsl | Of course ;-) |
| 12:03:53 | matsl | fcpp? |
| 12:04:03 | LinusN | frexx cpp |
| 12:04:16 | matsl | frexx cpp?? |
| 12:04:18 | LinusN | html-aware c preprocessor |
| 12:04:28 | LinusN | by the c00lest d00ds on earth |
| 12:05:19 | matsl | You mean ..., no your not serious ... you are! Huh! |
| 12:05:43 | Zagor | we'd never use software written by someone else :-) |
| 12:06:07 | LinusN | :-) |
| 12:06:50 | matsl | pow(NIH) |
| 12:09:48 | matsl | Since these c00l d00ds doesn't seem to have a link form the home page could I be please enlightened in how to get this invaluable tool ;-) |
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| 12:14:23 | Zagor | grab it from labb:~bjst/bin/fcpp |
| 12:14:51 | matsl | ok |
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| 12:22:05 | Zagor | ah, green build again. |
| 12:24:56 | matsl | Zagor: There is no Makefile in www/devcon |
| 12:25:21 | Zagor | fixing |
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| 12:26:35 | Zagor | added |
| 12:36:32 | matsl | Zagor: docs_ link is missing? I added it but got makefile loop. Help!? |
| 12:38:01 | Zagor | well, docs_ is the /docs dir |
| 12:38:22 | Zagor | the web site does not mirror the cvs structure completely |
| 12:38:54 | matsl | Aha. I did a link and the make got into a loop. |
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| 13:00:55 | Hes | The build from this morning with the latest ATA fix did not skip - instead of skipping it got stuck |
| 13:01:15 | Hes | it was in WPS, play mode (play icon), in beginning of a song |
| 13:01:20 | Hes | 00:00 |
| 13:02:07 | Zagor | Hes: oops :-) |
| 13:04:08 | Zagor | Hes: what is your disk spindown timer set to? |
| 13:05:49 | Hes | 3 s |
| 13:06:02 | Zagor | try settings it to 5 |
| 13:08:16 | Bagder | we should have a lowest spindown |
| 13:08:23 | Bagder | that should probably be at least 4 |
| 13:08:39 | Zagor | rather, we should make sure the code works with all spindowns |
| 13:08:43 | Bagder | right |
| 13:08:51 | Zagor | very low spindown is so painful nobody wants it anyway |
| 13:09:07 | Bagder | 23 voters so far |
| 13:09:16 | Hes | What difference would 3 => 5 do? |
| 13:10:08 | Zagor | Hes: we have some bug in the ata code, it would be interesting to see if 3->5 makes a difference |
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| 13:16:53 | mbr | Hi! |
| 13:16:57 | Bagder | hey mbr |
| 13:17:28 | Bagder | hm |
| 13:17:55 | Bagder | when I press f1 to go to the menu from the wps, and then press left to return to wps, that left-press is treated in the wps |
| 13:18:57 | Hes | I'll try with the 5. |
| 13:19:49 | Zagor | Bagder: fixing |
| 13:19:57 | Bagder | goodie |
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| 13:23:26 | LinusN | Zagor: didn't you fix that yesterday? |
| 13:23:58 | Bagder | this was built this morning |
| 13:24:09 | Zagor | LinusN: no, i did the wrong thing |
| 13:24:23 | LinusN | you? wrong? naaaahh... |
| 13:27:06 | Hes | I added a little bragging about ROLO to the web news, and fixed openprojects => freenode on the irc page... |
| 13:27:44 | Bagder | why does the irc page get so wide? |
| 13:28:08 | LinusN | Zagor: i think last_button may not necessarily be, for example, BUTTON_LEFT |
| 13:28:10 | Hes | the logs table does not wrap it's rows |
| 13:28:19 | LinusN | if you press several keys at once |
| 13:28:31 | Bagder | aha, they're all <td>s... |
| 13:28:54 | LinusN | in the case of roght/left it may be ok, though |
| 13:32:48 | Zagor | LinusN: this is only for prev/next, not general |
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| 13:36:35 | edx|sleep | hi |
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| 13:36:43 | edx | hmm im at school |
| 13:36:46 | edx | gotta go |
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| 13:41:36 | LinusN | Zagor: i wish we could find a general solution to that problem |
| 13:42:26 | Zagor | we can't. the other option is to wait for button release in menu.c |
| 13:43:20 | Zagor | but there will always be release issues to deal with. we already deal with it for the MENU/F1 key |
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| 13:45:46 | Zagor | LinusN: there is no way to read the F2+UP combination, right? |
| 13:47:09 | alkorr | you need to see what value you get when F2+UP |
| 13:48:02 | Zagor | ok, it is distinct. but messy :-) |
| 13:48:56 | alkorr | in fact you just need to have the limits for all combinaison |
| 13:49:19 | alkorr | and have a binary search to know the combinaison |
| 13:49:20 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:49:40 | Zagor | it seems different units have very different levels |
| 13:50:34 | alkorr | as long as they have no conflict for differnt levels, it should works |
| 13:50:59 | Zagor | yes. we just need to find the limits. |
| 13:51:28 | alkorr | a good average for each limit so it can work for all units |
| 13:52:11 | LinusN | my unit and zagors unit have very different levels |
| 13:52:25 | Zagor | LinusN: but are they conflicting? |
| 13:52:45 | alkorr | if they are proportional it isn't a problem |
| 13:53:29 | LinusN | no they are not conflicting, but they are close |
| 13:53:33 | langhaarrocker | We need a calibration method - just like joysticks ;) |
| 13:55:36 | LinusN | example: my UP key gives 1000 decimal, Zagors 917 |
| 13:55:40 | alkorr | one way to do so is having dynamical calibration |
| 13:56:02 | LinusN | my F2 key gives 800 and zagors gives 730 |
| 13:56:14 | alkorr | what is the greater number ? |
| 13:56:34 | alkorr | try to have the limit in order |
| 13:56:39 | LinusN | so having the threshold at 900 is too close |
| 13:56:39 | alkorr | limits |
| 13:57:00 | LinusN | alkorr: why shouldn't we have the limits on order? |
| 13:57:25 | langhaarrocker | binsearch? |
| 13:57:47 | LinusN | i'm saying that the difference between my UP and F2 keys is 200 (1000 vs 800) |
| 13:57:56 | alkorr | okay |
| 13:58:01 | LinusN | therefore i would want to put the limit at 900 |
| 13:58:24 | LinusN | but that is too close for Zagor, whose UP key gives 917 |
| 13:58:33 | alkorr | well we can have a dynamical callibration which alters limits to coaxe with the real ones |
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| 13:58:52 | LinusN | alkorr: yes, but we need to know which key is pressed to do that |
| 13:59:14 | alkorr | say for UP, we have 950 |
| 13:59:16 | LinusN | the UP key is not a candidate for that, for example |
| 13:59:18 | Zagor | LinusN: we both have excactly 20% difference |
| 13:59:47 | Zagor | not that it helps :-) |
| 13:59:51 | alkorr | okay |
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| 14:00:05 | alkorr | just add a new menu to calibrate buttons |
| 14:00:15 | LinusN | 20% difference? |
| 14:00:37 | Zagor | 800 is 20% below 1000. 730 is 20% below 917. |
| 14:00:57 | LinusN | yes, the offsets are the same |
| 14:01:18 | alkorr | ask for some buttons so a calibration would fit the limits |
| 14:01:22 | Hes | Would that differ on the battery voltage? |
| 14:01:33 | Zagor | Hes: no, we've checked that |
| 14:01:38 | LinusN | it seems like you have another voltage reference |
| 14:01:42 | alkorr | of course, they should have been put in disk |
| 14:01:43 | LinusN | for the ADC |
| 14:01:49 | alkorr | surely |
| 14:02:11 | LinusN | but the stock firmware handles it without calibration, so we should too |
| 14:02:50 | alkorr | it only can be due to a different voltage, they wouldn't change the resistors values, could be a catastrophic if so |
| 14:03:10 | alkorr | Linus: stock firmware doesn't like combination |
| 14:03:29 | LinusN | i figured so, but some users say they do |
| 14:03:34 | alkorr | except if they comes from different key groups |
| 14:04:00 | alkorr | so F2 with DOWN is okay, but not F2 and UP because they are in the same group |
| 14:04:10 | LinusN | yes i know |
| 14:05:17 | LinusN | some users have reported that the stock firmware is tolerant to key combinations |
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| 14:06:42 | alkorr | maybe they think the stock firmware is tolerant to key combination because they try with non ADC keys (on/off) |
| 14:07:03 | alkorr | i mean "ONLY try" |
| 14:07:36 | LinusN | no, the bug report specifically mentioned UP+F2 |
| 14:08:14 | LinusN | we interpret UP+F2 as F3 |
| 14:13:29 | LinusN | we could autocalibrate if we could be sure about which key is pressed |
| 14:14:00 | LinusN | i mean, the very first keypress should be a single key |
| 14:14:13 | LinusN | and after that we adjust the limits accordingly |
| 14:14:33 | LinusN | not dynamically, just at startup |
| 14:14:41 | Bagder | and only if we haven't stored the calibration before |
| 14:14:54 | LinusN | we don't need to store it |
| 14:15:15 | Bagder | no, not if you can make it invisible |
| 14:15:17 | PsycoXul | woo hey |
| 14:15:47 | PsycoXul | so now that the player's dir browser has custom char icons, why not just invert the one with the cursor over it and get rid of the arrow |
| 14:16:12 | LinusN | invert the icon? |
| 14:16:12 | Bagder | sounds like a terrific idea |
| 14:16:45 | LinusN | or blink, toggling between an arrow and the icon |
| 14:16:51 | PsycoXul | LinusN: yes, or some such sort of indicative change |
| 14:17:11 | LinusN | animate it, perhaps |
| 14:17:17 | LinusN | that woudl be cool |
| 14:17:23 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 14:17:25 | PsycoXul | that would be |
| 14:17:30 | Zagor | yeah, I want animation. why have you guys been so slow? ;-) |
| 14:17:33 | LinusN | it is certainly possible |
| 14:17:43 | PsycoXul | yes |
| 14:17:55 | PsycoXul | just update the pattern definition and it's reflected on the screen |
| 14:18:00 | LinusN | easy as pie |
| 14:19:23 | alkorr | Psyco, text LCD must have support for a cursor if it is what you want |
| 14:20:33 | PsycoXul | alkorr: hmm? |
| 14:20:57 | PsycoXul | alkorr: the icons are custom chars, rockbox can change them however it likes, independant of any other LCD features |
| 14:21:02 | alkorr | text LCD usually has a hardware cursor |
| 14:21:12 | alkorr | if you want one |
| 14:21:27 | LinusN | the blinking block kind |
| 14:21:53 | PsycoXul | alkorr: yes, the hardware cursor blinks between normal and inverted, and rather slowly.. its invisible half the time while scrolling through files |
| 14:21:55 | alkorr | if it can be helpful for something |
| 14:22:22 | alkorr | cannot be speedup ? |
| 14:22:26 | PsycoXul | alkorr: it's better doing something with the custom chars, which are easy to change on the screen |
| 14:23:00 | alkorr | as you like, take it as a suggestion not as a mandatory request |
| 14:23:30 | PsycoXul | i modified rockbox to do it some time ago |
| 14:23:43 | PsycoXul | and it wasn't very good |
| 14:23:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 14:23:54 | alkorr | but is was unsastified ok |
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| 14:25:41 | Bagder | i hate people posting bug reports in various forums all over |
| 14:26:11 | Bagder | why do people post bug reports on debian on my programs? |
| 14:26:17 | * | Bagder is clueless |
| 14:28:49 | mbr | Have to say good bye! |
| 14:28:57 | mbr | I'm off for the next 3 weeks for vacation. Have a nice time!! |
| 14:29:08 | Bagder | wow, have a good time mbr |
| 14:29:19 | mbr | Thanks :) |
| 14:29:24 | Bagder | we'll modify all your code in your absense B) |
| 14:30:17 | mbr | If it is better after that (what is not hard) I'll be happy :) |
| 14:30:24 | Bagder | hehe |
| 14:30:43 | mbr | Bye |
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| 15:00:27 | elinenbe | morning all |
| 15:00:35 | Bagder | hi |
| 15:00:38 | alkorr | hi |
| 15:00:41 | bobTHC | afternoon eli |
| 15:00:45 | elinenbe | do you like my icons? |
| 15:00:46 | Zagor | how do you guys feel about this font parameter many of the lcd_* functions take? I think we should skip it and just use one font. |
| 15:00:52 | Zagor | elinenbe: looks nice! |
| 15:00:56 | elinenbe | thanks. |
| 15:01:02 | Bagder | Zagor: I think so too |
| 15:01:03 | Bagder | we can |
| 15:01:14 | Bagder | 't deal with dynamic font switches very good anyway |
| 15:01:20 | elinenbe | you can do whatever you want with the extra sokoban levels... I know it takes up a bunch of space. |
| 15:01:21 | Zagor | exactly |
| 15:01:23 | Bagder | and we never use them |
| 15:01:40 | Zagor | elinenbe: I want them, but I think they should be loaded from disk |
| 15:01:51 | elinenbe | Zagor: I agree. |
| 15:03:12 | elinenbe | what is the current status on the T-Shirt voting? |
| 15:03:24 | Bagder | 6 and 7 |
| 15:03:37 | Zagor | Bagder: can do think about how (if) we can handle BUTTON_REL evens in the simulator? |
| 15:03:50 | Bagder | I don't really know |
| 15:03:57 | Zagor | we use them more and more and it would be nice to simulate it somehow |
| 15:04:06 | Bagder | yes, I agree |
| 15:08:29 | langhaarrocker | Now that the RoLo works (congrats! My life was brightened by that!) - |
| 15:08:29 | langhaarrocker | Do you think it would be possible do establish a more modular concept of loading modules with some extra functionality dynamically? |
| 15:09:06 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: no. the overhead for loading modules would far outweigh the benefits |
| 15:09:23 | Zagor | better to make separate mod files and run them with rolo |
| 15:09:39 | elinenbe | rockbox is #45 on sourceforge's highest activity list! way to go! |
| 15:10:03 | Bagder | wow |
| 15:10:15 | Zagor | i have a very odd bug here |
| 15:10:18 | Zagor | lcd_putsxy(0, LCD_HEIGHT/2 - h, "Scroll bar", 0); |
| 15:10:19 | alkorr | and difficult because you will need a special object format to allow address relocation of functions and data. |
| 15:10:21 | langhaarrocker | Gimme cvs access and I'll push the activity ;), harharhar |
| 15:10:24 | Zagor | lcd_putsxy(LCD_WIDTH - w, LCD_HEIGHT/2 - h, ptr,0); |
| 15:10:41 | Zagor | the second putsxy is drawn one pixel lower then the first! |
| 15:12:49 | elinenbe | does anyone have a fun .wps that I can use on the recorder? |
| 15:13:02 | LinusN | Zagor: one pixel down? |
| 15:13:05 | * | Bagder has not |
| 15:13:07 | Zagor | LinusN: yes |
| 15:13:27 | Zagor | elinenbe: i'm too busy programming to actually use this stuff :-) |
| 15:16:05 | elinenbe | Zagor: haha I know what you mean. But sometime you need to try it out to see the bugs. |
| 15:16:22 | elinenbe | Zagor: like loadable fonts not working on the target! ;) |
| 15:16:36 | Zagor | I never noticed ;) |
| 15:24:12 | Zagor | the pixel bug only happens in propfonts, not fixed fonts |
| 15:24:56 | LinusN | i'm thinking about LCD_WIDTH-w |
| 15:25:03 | LinusN | how large is w? |
| 15:25:27 | Zagor | there's another bug in fixed-width mode: it cuts the last char on each line |
| 15:25:35 | Zagor | LinusN: lcd_getstringsize("string") |
| 15:25:44 | LinusN | so it can be negative? |
| 15:25:52 | LinusN | or very big |
| 15:26:00 | Zagor | LinusN: no |
| 15:26:48 | Zagor | the string is "Status bar", so w should be about 40 |
| 15:27:05 | * | Zagor is firing up gdb |
| 15:27:08 | LinusN | i was thinking that it may wrap in the frame buffer |
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| 15:27:24 | LinusN | one pixel row in the x direction |
| 15:27:47 | Zagor | 657 lcd_putsxy(LCD_WIDTH - w, LCD_HEIGHT/2 - h, ptr,0); |
| 15:27:48 | Zagor | (gdb) p w |
| 15:27:48 | Zagor | $1 = 29 |
| 15:29:44 | LinusN | so it starts at x=112-29 |
| 15:30:11 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:30:29 | Zagor | ah, misa silly |
| 15:30:38 | Zagor | w is not the problem. h is... :-) |
| 15:30:55 | Bagder | p h |
| 15:30:56 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 15:31:08 | * | Zagor is not saying :-) |
| 15:31:16 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 15:31:46 | LinusN | i think i know... |
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| 15:35:44 | elinenbe | brb |
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| 15:37:19 | gizz | Hi all |
| 15:38:49 | Bagder | hi |
| 15:41:20 | gizz | I've got trouble booting rockbox on my AJB6K.. :( |
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| 15:43:25 | LinusN | Zagor: maybe we should set last_disk_activity after the mutex is aquired |
| 15:43:44 | LinusN | both before and after, even |
| 15:43:50 | gizz | Anybody can decrypt bootup panicf() messages ?? |
| 15:44:16 | Zagor | LinusN: it doesn't help, since ata_sleep() nulls the timer. |
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| 15:44:29 | Zagor | gizz: what does it say? |
| 15:44:46 | Zagor | LinusN: maybe that 500ms extra delay idea is the best |
| 15:44:47 | gizz | No FAT32 pa |
| 15:44:52 | gizz | 020903-1151 |
| 15:44:57 | gizz | (2 lines) |
| 15:45:11 | Zagor | gizz: it means your disk is formatted very strangely and we can't figure out what kind of disk it is |
| 15:45:12 | LinusN | it doesn't find a fat32 partition |
| 15:45:30 | gizz | well, archos firmware still boots.. |
| 15:45:40 | gizz | and USB mode works still |
| 15:45:47 | elinenbe | who wants to solve my pet peeve with r0ckb0x? |
| 15:46:18 | gizz | what happened, is that my jukebox falled on the floor, so some area may be hard to read... |
| 15:46:42 | gizz | I wonder if read() shouldn't retry 1 or 2 times before panicf().... |
| 15:47:58 | Zagor | gizz: that is probably not the problem |
| 15:48:09 | gizz | yeah ? |
| 15:48:18 | gizz | so.. ? |
| 15:48:22 | Zagor | did rockbox 1.3 work on it before the fall? |
| 15:48:32 | gizz | yes (definitely :) |
| 15:48:41 | Zagor | ok. hmm... |
| 15:49:30 | gizz | oh yeah, I forgot : |
| 15:49:37 | LinusN | (here it comes) :-) |
| 15:50:24 | gizz | I tried to dd() the begininning of my hdd, (both with linux/cygwin) and it fails at some point (impossible to read more than ~32kb) |
| 15:50:40 | gizz | BUT, archos firmware boots !!!! |
| 15:50:42 | gizz | still |
| 15:50:58 | langhaarrocker | gizz: maybe your hd ist broken and it's only the rom firmware - not the one from disk |
| 15:51:14 | gizz | right |
| 15:51:31 | gizz | but ROM fw loads MP3 correctly.. |
| 15:51:46 | gizz | maybe the partitionning area is broken.. :( |
| 15:52:07 | Zagor | sounds like it, yes |
| 15:52:10 | gizz | Anyone know a tool to check/fix that kind of problem ?? |
| 15:52:39 | gizz | (or a way to move partitions, or anything, so the area is at another place) |
| 15:53:07 | langhaarrocker | You can access the hd via usb? |
| 15:53:08 | Zagor | most disk tools should be able to check that. like norton disk doctor or similar. |
| 15:53:29 | gizz | One info though, Rockbox seems to load, at least after logo (which is displayed) then, the panicf() |
| 15:53:41 | gizz | lang..:yes |
| 15:53:41 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:54:10 | LinusN | ok, so we may do one check too many |
| 15:54:42 | gizz | zagor: don't have ndd by hand, do you know some linux tools ?? or maybe freeware/windows ?? |
| 15:55:04 | Zagor | gizz: no, sorry. |
| 15:55:09 | langhaarrocker | I'd try to backup anything valuable first and than start with good old checkdisk (from windows) |
| 15:55:29 | langhaarrocker | oh, it was calles scandisk |
| 15:55:35 | gizz | Lang good idea.. (I've already backed it up) |
| 15:56:29 | gizz | lang: do you know if I can do the same as scandisk, but under linux ?? (have plugged my hdd to a linux box) |
| 15:56:56 | gizz | I know fsck, but it's logical rather than physical check |
| 15:57:05 | Bagder | dosfsck |
| 15:57:22 | gizz | thx |
| 15:57:46 | LinusN | time to go home! |
| 15:57:48 | LinusN | bye all! |
| 15:57:52 | Zagor | bye |
| 15:57:53 | Bagder | see ya |
| 15:57:56 | langhaarrocker | sleep tight |
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| 15:59:24 | gizz | c u later ! |
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| 16:07:46 | quel|out | Bagder: |
| 16:07:53 | Zagor | lcd_getstringsize returns wrong for propfont. it returns max glyph size, while putsxy() still always clears 8 pixels high. |
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| 16:25:04 | Bagder | I guess the propfonts code isn't there to stay anyway |
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| 16:26:39 | Zagor | no |
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| 16:54:47 | Bagder | I'm off for today, see ya around |
| 16:54:51 | Zagor | bye |
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| 17:11:15 | bobTHC | cu later ! |
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| 17:27:45 | hardeep | hi all |
| 17:28:45 | hardeep | ps: rolo rocks. kudos to randy and whoever else worked on it. |
| 17:29:16 | elinenbe | hardeep: it makes debugging and programming so much better. No more reloading! |
| 17:29:49 | elinenbe | hardeep: No more rebooting (that is what I mean) |
| 17:35:40 | hardeep | yep, very handy for debugging. |
| 17:46:34 | | Nick dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
| 17:46:42 | dwihno | I'm dwihno! Hello! |
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| 18:09:12 | * | adi|home yawns |
| 18:10:58 | merwin- | I think it looked better on the player icons when ? wasn't displayed for unknown files |
| 18:11:06 | merwin- | morning adi |
| 18:11:13 | | Nick merwin- is now known as merwin (~merwin@12.242.185.10) |
| 18:11:20 | merwin | adi|home: i agree wit hyou |
| 18:14:49 | adi|home | hmm? |
| 18:14:52 | adi|home | about what? |
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| 18:19:18 | merwin | the yawn |
| 18:19:20 | merwin | definately |
| 18:19:26 | adi|home | ahh.. okay :) |
| 18:19:57 | merwin | adi|home: so what do you think... does it look better with or without the ? being displayed for unknown file types |
| 18:20:16 | adi|home | how do you mean? |
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| 18:22:22 | merwin | "Young |
| 18:22:22 | merwin | Ambitious Hebrew Owner Operators.""YAHOO" |
| 18:22:29 | merwin | err |
| 18:22:30 | merwin | , "Young |
| 18:22:30 | merwin | Ambitious Hebrew Owner Operators.""YAHOO", |
| 18:22:38 | merwin | damn outlook :P |
| 18:22:57 | merwin | LinusN: I think that the unknown file types looked better without the ? |
| 18:23:32 | adi|home | what do we use now? |
| 18:24:33 | merwin | adi|home: I implemented player icons for the tree last night... we use a ? next to unknown file types... i think displaying no icon is better for unknown icons. I didn't think that last night, but i do now :) |
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| 18:25:46 | adi|home | hmmm... |
| 18:25:51 | adi|home | well i prefer the '?' |
| 18:25:53 | adi|home | i think.. |
| 18:26:15 | merwin | adi|home: it's easier to tell which are handled filetypes if no icon is displayed, personally |
| 18:26:26 | merwin | adi|home: that was Linus' opinion last night |
| 18:26:49 | * | adi|home shrugs |
| 18:26:52 | merwin | heh |
| 18:26:59 | adi|home | im not really going to have odd files so :) |
| 18:27:19 | LinusN | merwin: i agree. unknown files could be better without an icon |
| 18:27:19 | merwin | adi|home: mine have some mixed-in files |
| 18:27:37 | merwin | LinusN: who added the display of ? then? |
| 18:27:59 | LinusN | you did :-) |
| 18:28:17 | merwin | LinusN: in your first implementation you didn't have it |
| 18:28:21 | merwin | then this morning it's in |
| 18:28:24 | LinusN | that was a bug |
| 18:28:44 | merwin | LinusN: mind if i take it out? |
| 18:28:51 | LinusN | not at all |
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| 18:29:02 | * | merwin likes rolo's |
| 18:29:11 | LinusN | i hope you're not talking about the simulator |
| 18:29:22 | merwin | LinusN: player |
| 18:29:33 | adi|home | hmmm.. |
| 18:29:36 | adi|home | well.. |
| 18:29:37 | LinusN | cause the simulator puts a ? in front of every file |
| 18:29:40 | adi|home | my recorder right now |
| 18:29:46 | adi|home | displays nothing for unknown files |
| 18:29:50 | adi|home | and it looks odd.. |
| 18:29:50 | LinusN | since the icons aren't implemented in the simulator |
| 18:29:54 | adi|home | id rather see the ? |
| 18:30:31 | LinusN | i'd rather have icons on files that rockbox understands, and no icon on the other files |
| 18:30:40 | LinusN | easy to distinguish |
| 18:31:08 | adi|home | i guess my main issue is that no other gui display does that |
| 18:31:19 | adi|home | windows/linux both display a default icon for a file they don't know |
| 18:31:21 | adi|home | on a gui |
| 18:31:29 | merwin | adi|home: no other gui has a 2 line display though :) |
| 18:32:05 | adi|home | but if we do/don't do a '?' on the player, it should be done the same on the recorder as well... |
| 18:32:34 | adi|home | oooooo rolo is in? |
| 18:32:38 | merwin | adi|home: yuppers |
| 18:32:40 | LinusN | it sure is! |
| 18:32:40 | adi|home | ooooo.. how do i make it work? |
| 18:32:43 | LinusN | and it ROCKS!!!!! |
| 18:32:48 | merwin | adi|home: select a file in the browser |
| 18:32:51 | merwin | adi|home: that's it :) |
| 18:32:55 | adi|home | SWEET!!!!! |
| 18:32:57 | LinusN | turn off the mp3/m3u filter |
| 18:33:08 | adi|home | but once i go archos firmware.. how can i get back? |
| 18:33:16 | LinusN | then select any .mod/.ajz file |
| 18:33:17 | dwihno | rebooting? |
| 18:33:20 | LinusN | reboot |
| 18:33:31 | adi|home | okay. gonna test :) |
| 18:33:45 | merwin | LinusN: hmm... It won't let me reload the archos.mod file... says "File Not Found" |
| 18:34:23 | adi|home | whats with the funny looking 'X' Icon? |
| 18:34:24 | merwin | LinusN: nevermind |
| 18:34:34 | merwin | adi|home: it's the 5x7 for eXecutable |
| 18:34:44 | adi|home | ahh.. hmmmm |
| 18:34:46 | merwin | adi|home: if you can draw up a better 5x7 for it, be my guest |
| 18:34:50 | adi|home | dunno if i like it :) |
| 18:34:57 | adi|home | have to think about it a while :) |
| 18:35:23 | adi|home | all right.. so im at the firmware i want to load... |
| 18:35:23 | dwihno | there should be three file modes available? mp3/m3u mp3/m3u/rockbox files and all |
| 18:35:30 | adi|home | its called "ajbrec.ajz.archos" |
| 18:35:31 | merwin | dwihno: agreed |
| 18:35:33 | adi|home | how do i load it? |
| 18:35:43 | merwin | adi|home: you have to call it ajbrec_archos.ajz |
| 18:35:45 | merwin | it has to end in ajz |
| 18:35:49 | adi|home | ahh.. okay... |
| 18:35:50 | merwin | or mod for the player |
| 18:37:12 | adi|home | SO FUCKING COOl!!!! |
| 18:37:17 | * | adi|home grins at rolo |
| 18:37:27 | merwin | adi|home: i agree! |
| 18:38:24 | adi|home | im soooo inlove with this |
| 18:38:35 | adi|home | and i loved that CmdrTaco stopped in yesterday :) |
| 18:39:08 | merwin | CmdrTaco? |
| 18:39:18 | adi|home | oh.. has anyone had any word the short stop of files? |
| 18:39:29 | adi|home | ie file stop after 2 mins on a 4 min song? |
| 18:39:36 | merwin | adi|home: ? |
| 18:39:36 | adi|home | CmdrTaco, founder of /. |
| 18:39:42 | merwin | what is /. |
| 18:39:58 | adi|home | http://slashdot.org/ |
| 18:40:02 | merwin | ahhhh |
| 18:40:09 | LinusN | merwin: are you sure that the character position is cleared before not outputting an icon? |
| 18:40:09 | merwin | I missed CmdrTaco? |
| 18:40:14 | adi|home | nods |
| 18:40:22 | merwin | LinusN: yeah. |
| 18:40:28 | LinusN | ok |
| 18:40:58 | merwin | LinusN: I did notice with the wps, that the line isn't cleared before redrawing it... so if you have a variable length line that isn't using the full screen it'll leave characters behind sometimes |
| 18:41:34 | LinusN | did you fix it? |
| 18:41:37 | adi|home | http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20020902.log time stop: 22.28.47 |
| 18:41:40 | adi|home | check that merwin |
| 18:41:59 | merwin | LinusN: not yet, i'm packing for a flight |
| 18:42:03 | adi|home | So no one else has their files stop mid song and move to the next song? |
| 18:42:14 | merwin | adi|home: not anymore |
| 18:42:19 | merwin | adi|home: I used to, about a week ago |
| 18:42:59 | adi|home | i was getting it last night driving back up... |
| 18:43:06 | adi|home | and that was the build from sat night |
| 18:44:16 | merwin | tacoboy is funny :P |
| 18:44:31 | adi|home | nods |
| 18:44:36 | merwin | adi|home: hmm... i haven't gotten it. Is your spindown set to above 3 seconds? |
| 18:45:59 | adi|home | hmm.. not sure.. let me check |
| 18:46:28 | * | merwin now has the ability to rolo into 1.1, 1.2, or 1.3 :) |
| 18:46:40 | adi|home | yeah.. 5 seconds |
| 18:46:46 | adi|home | should i lower it to < 3? |
| 18:46:56 | merwin | adi|home: hmm.... well, i'll let you know if it's happening to me |
| 18:47:02 | merwin | adi|home: no, needs to be above 3 |
| 18:47:03 | adi|home | and why would that do it? |
| 18:47:13 | merwin | adi|home: being below 3 is causing serious problems |
| 18:47:21 | adi|home | got ya... |
| 18:47:26 | merwin | adi|home: i've got a monster flight today in a couple hours, i'll let you know if i get it |
| 18:47:49 | adi|home | ohhh intersting |
| 18:47:54 | adi|home | im in the spindown menu |
| 18:47:58 | adi|home | i plug in usb |
| 18:48:03 | adi|home | and i don't switch to usb mode |
| 18:48:04 | merwin | adi|home: that happens in all menus |
| 18:48:11 | merwin | adi|home: i noticed the same thing last friday |
| 18:48:17 | adi|home | thats not good is it? |
| 18:48:24 | merwin | adi|home: doesn't hurt anything :) |
| 18:48:36 | adi|home | right.. but is it what we want? |
| 18:49:07 | merwin | adi|home: no, we need it |
| 18:49:17 | merwin | adi|home: i was just too lazy to fix it on the flight |
| 18:51:14 | LinusN | gotta go, cu guys! |
| 18:51:16 | merwin | heh, load up 1.1 sometime and see the difference |
| 18:51:19 | merwin | ttyl linus |
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| 18:52:16 | merwin | Zagor is Cycling, huh? |
| 18:58:08 | merwin | OK, time to get ready for Chicago.... ttyl |
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| 19:32:31 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 19:33:37 | adi|home | howdy |
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| 20:11:37 | quelsaruk | hi edx |
| 20:16:13 | edx | hi |
| 20:21:23 | adi|home | i swear to god.. we have reached the 'some users need to be LART'd' stage |
| 20:22:53 | elinenbe|out | LART'd' stage? |
| 20:24:22 | adi|home | [L]use [A]ttitude [R]eadjustment [T]ool |
| 20:24:31 | adi|home | they need to be beaten over the head with a large hard object |
| 20:24:43 | adi|home | luser rather |
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| 20:25:47 | quelsaruk | why do you say that adi|home? |
| 20:26:26 | adi|home | ppl still saying 'why is there a 400 file limit in the directories?' |
| 20:26:44 | adi|home | and 'wouldn't it be cool if you could develope for <insert file format or other hardware here>" |
| 20:26:51 | adi|home | basically.. RTFM's folks |
| 20:26:58 | adi|home | check the faq, and the mailing list |
| 20:27:00 | * | adi|home sighs |
| 20:27:05 | elinenbe|out | adi: the problem is more new people are finding out about Rockbox, so they do not know about the past. |
| 20:27:20 | quelsaruk | hehe |
| 20:27:33 | quelsaruk | but now there is a good faq |
| 20:27:45 | adi|home | no.. the problem is the same one every project faces |
| 20:27:54 | adi|home | users _not_ reading available material before asking questions |
| 20:28:02 | adi|home | immediate gratifications |
| 20:28:27 | adi|home | 'i know i should read X document.. but i don't want to.. so will you do the work by just answering my question for me?' |
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| 20:29:27 | adi|home | hey zagor |
| 20:29:34 | Zagor | yo |
| 20:29:34 | quelsaruk | hi Zagor |
| 20:29:48 | adi|home | didnt we have a response to ppl wanting use to develop for other hardware somewherE? |
| 20:29:53 | adi|home | the multimedia archos.. |
| 20:29:58 | adi|home | i know we had something about it |
| 20:30:08 | Zagor | umm, we had. maybe it was never added to the faq. |
| 20:30:16 | Zagor | the short answer is "maybe later" |
| 20:30:44 | Zagor | the long answer is... longer :-D |
| 20:36:46 | adi|home | now _thats_ an original question |
| 20:36:59 | adi|home | is there any sun driver dev for the usb etc... |
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| 20:45:12 | TotMacher | hi |
| 20:45:14 | TotMacher | the rolo is nive |
| 20:45:16 | TotMacher | nice |
| 20:45:20 | TotMacher | but you have to turn off mp3/m3u filter |
| 20:45:22 | TotMacher | that suxx |
| 20:46:51 | Zagor | has nobody tried my new quick-set screens? not a single comment... |
| 20:50:04 | Zagor | adi|home: new entry in the FAQ: "Why only 400 files" |
| 20:57:22 | TotMacher | quick set screens ? |
| 20:57:48 | Zagor | hold F2 or F3 and you get to toggle things like shuffle, status bar, scroll bar etc. |
| 20:58:04 | Zagor | mp3/m3u filter could be one of these toggles |
| 20:58:08 | TotMacher | ahh |
| 20:58:10 | TotMacher | very good |
| 20:58:17 | TotMacher | how can i do a custom WPS ? |
| 20:58:27 | TotMacher | i always read about it |
| 20:58:39 | TotMacher | but it dont know what it does ? |
| 20:58:43 | Zagor | create a file called *.wps and press PLAY on it |
| 20:58:45 | TotMacher | and how i activated it |
| 20:59:01 | TotMacher | hmm |
| 20:59:06 | TotMacher | do you have demo files ? |
| 20:59:13 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html |
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| 21:00:22 | TotMacher | whaa |
| 21:00:24 | TotMacher | QUICKSET ROCK |
| 21:00:32 | TotMacher | for shuffel |
| 21:00:37 | TotMacher | its perfect ! |
| 21:00:54 | Zagor | yeah, I thought you'd like it :-) |
| 21:01:20 | TotMacher | very nice |
| 21:01:22 | TotMacher | bt |
| 21:01:23 | TotMacher | but |
| 21:01:24 | Zagor | i'll add m3u filter to the F2 screen |
| 21:01:37 | TotMacher | i still waiting for the posing feature |
| 21:01:43 | Zagor | posing? |
| 21:01:47 | TotMacher | yes |
| 21:01:51 | TotMacher | my HD size |
| 21:01:59 | Zagor | ah |
| 21:01:59 | TotMacher | in info screen |
| 21:02:02 | TotMacher | :) |
| 21:02:22 | Zagor | hehe. that will come pretty soon, actually. not free space at first, but disk size |
| 21:02:32 | TotMacher | hehe |
| 21:02:36 | TotMacher | that is enough |
| 21:02:38 | TotMacher | :) |
| 21:02:39 | Zagor | :) |
| 21:03:41 | TotMacher | hey |
| 21:03:48 | TotMacher | if there is no id3 tag |
| 21:03:58 | TotMacher | fill %ia : ID3 Artist |
| 21:04:02 | TotMacher | with |
| 21:04:07 | TotMacher | the filename |
| 21:04:12 | TotMacher | all before a "-" |
| 21:04:22 | TotMacher | and %it : ID3 Track Title |
| 21:04:32 | TotMacher | with all after "-" |
| 21:04:35 | TotMacher | in filename |
| 21:04:59 | TotMacher | ahh |
| 21:05:03 | TotMacher | there is a conditional |
| 21:05:04 | TotMacher | so |
| 21:05:10 | Zagor | yup |
| 21:05:12 | TotMacher | just include 2 additional tags |
| 21:05:42 | TotMacher | %fp : filename till a " - " |
| 21:06:11 | TotMacher | %fa : all of filename after a " - " |
| 21:06:18 | TotMacher | would rock |
| 21:06:31 | TotMacher | but trim the strings |
| 21:07:12 | Zagor | don't ask. code. :-) |
| 21:07:21 | TotMacher | hehe |
| 21:07:24 | TotMacher | i cant :) |
| 21:07:30 | TotMacher | iam a java g33k |
| 21:08:47 | Zagor | java is not so different from c. you'll learn in no time. |
| 21:08:59 | TotMacher | yes |
| 21:09:20 | TotMacher | ok |
| 21:09:29 | TotMacher | in which file do i find the wps stuff ? |
| 21:09:36 | Zagor | wps-display.c |
| 21:09:45 | Zagor | apps/wps-display.c |
| 21:13:16 | TotMacher | is the mp3 jumping fixed ? |
| 21:15:15 | Zagor | it's improved, but we still get it sometimes |
| 21:15:38 | TotMacher | do you know, why this happend ? |
| 21:15:43 | TotMacher | happens ? |
| 21:15:49 | TotMacher | i will test it |
| 21:16:04 | Zagor | it has something to do with multithreaded access to the ata driver |
| 21:16:13 | Zagor | there's a bug somewhere in there we haven't found yet |
| 21:17:19 | adi|home | Zagor.. wtf should we put the 400 question in the FAQ.. let them read the fucking release notes.. |
| 21:18:06 | TotMacher | where are the games gone ? |
| 21:18:08 | Zagor | adi|home: the notes that *that* the limits exists. I want a FAQ to point them to about *why* |
| 21:18:16 | adi|home | grrrr.. |
| 21:18:17 | Zagor | TotMacher: apps/recorder |
| 21:18:18 | adi|home | okay fine... |
| 21:18:20 | adi|home | but i don't like it |
| 21:18:37 | Zagor | adi|home: neither do I. but I like even less to explain it 100 times... |
| 21:21:07 | adi|home | okay.. adding.. but i do it under protest |
| 21:21:17 | adi|home | and an extra smattering of sarcasm for spite ;) |
| 21:21:23 | Zagor | :-) |
| 21:21:39 | adi|home | ohhhh i can fix the rolo question too :)_ |
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| 21:29:15 | adi|home | Zagor: am i correct that the 10000 limit is for basically the same reason as the 200 limit? |
| 21:29:27 | Zagor | yes |
| 21:29:30 | adi|home | k |
| 21:30:01 | Zagor | but the 10k is not as fixed. as bigger disks arrive, I can imagine raising that |
| 21:30:09 | adi|home | nods |
| 21:30:17 | Zagor | but >400 files per dir is silly, no matter how big your disk is |
| 21:30:23 | adi|home | nods |
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| 21:35:03 | TotMacher | arg |
| 21:35:08 | TotMacher | it begins not to scroll |
| 21:35:10 | TotMacher | the wps |
| 21:35:12 | TotMacher | tags |
| 21:35:22 | Zagor | you need to put a %s on the line that should scroll |
| 21:35:34 | TotMacher | ah |
| 21:35:38 | TotMacher | soory :) |
| 21:36:46 | TotMacher | why does it not automatic detect that it should scroll ? |
| 21:36:51 | TotMacher | hehe |
| 21:36:52 | TotMacher | ok |
| 21:36:55 | TotMacher | i know the answer |
| 21:36:58 | Zagor | :-) |
| 21:37:00 | TotMacher | "begin to code" |
| 21:37:17 | Zagor | no, it's because several lines can need to scroll but only one line is allowed |
| 21:37:35 | TotMacher | ahh |
| 21:37:56 | TotMacher | why can there only one scrolling line ? |
| 21:38:00 | TotMacher | that is very strange |
| 21:38:27 | Zagor | because it's written that way :-) |
| 21:38:40 | TotMacher | hehe |
| 21:40:48 | dwihno | I want multiline scroooll! :) |
| 21:40:56 | dwihno | And some ice cream, please fetch me some, Zagor :) |
| 21:40:57 | TotMacher | yeah :) |
| 21:41:02 | TotMacher | YEAH! |
| 21:41:02 | Zagor | :) |
| 21:41:11 | dwihno | Yum. Ice cream! |
| 21:41:21 | TotMacher | ICE CREAM |
| 21:41:29 | dwihno | It's kickass! |
| 21:41:40 | dwihno | Plain vanilla ice cream with some fudge sauce :)~~~ |
| 21:41:52 | adi|home | faq updated.. opinions please |
| 21:41:55 | dwihno | Zagor: We MUST have ice cream on the DevCon! :D |
| 21:41:56 | TotMacher | multiline scroll icecream ! |
| 21:42:06 | dwihno | Yea, multiline scroll icecream! |
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| 21:42:19 | adi|home | Zagor: could you reload the webversion of FAQ? |
| 21:42:49 | elinenbe|out | Zagor: I really like the new options on the recorder |
| 21:42:56 | elinenbe|out | Zagor: Just one ? though. |
| 21:43:07 | adi|home | shoot |
| 21:43:22 | Zagor | adi|home: will do |
| 21:43:28 | adi|home | oh.. Zagor.. should we doc somewhere that you can build the firmware w/o games and ss if you wish? |
| 21:43:28 | TotMacher | why is the last line always that sucking Time: XX/YY |
| 21:43:56 | TotMacher | w/o games is more buffer ? |
| 21:43:59 | dwihno | TotMacher: that is sucky! |
| 21:44:17 | TotMacher | how do i kill that line ? |
| 21:44:21 | elinenbe|out | Zagor: first, that is somewhere where once loadable fonts are default, it should not use them |
| 21:44:38 | dwihno | Patch the source, send the diff to Zagor, and he'll sync it if you are a good boy. |
| 21:44:49 | dwihno | Converting the file to CRLF will also make Zagor happy ;) |
| 21:45:02 | elinenbe|out | Zagor: secondly, I was going implement screen down/ screen up in the tree browser with F2-down or F2-up |
| 21:45:09 | Zagor | TotMacher: i'll fix that Real Soon Now |
| 21:45:13 | elinenbe|out | Zagor: but now, that is impossible |
| 21:45:17 | TotMacher | ui, thx |
| 21:45:39 | Zagor | elinenbe|out: yes. I'm planning F1 for that, but we have a problem reading Fx+UP |
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| 21:46:22 | adi|home | TotMacher: w/o games just loads the firmware faster is all |
| 21:46:26 | adi|home | hey LinusN |
| 21:46:32 | LinusN | do those 400-files people ever get tired? |
| 21:46:38 | adi|home | linus.. we now have a 400/10000 quesiton in the faq to shut ppl up |
| 21:46:45 | LinusN | i saw it |
| 21:46:50 | TotMacher | yeah, games suck |
| 21:46:51 | TotMacher | so |
| 21:46:51 | elinenbe|out | Zagor: roger that. |
| 21:47:10 | TotMacher | its a nice feature, but how plays games on jukebox !?! |
| 21:47:15 | adi|home | Zagor, LinusN i was thinking... |
| 21:47:21 | adi|home | regarding the games/ss's |
| 21:47:21 | elinenbe|out | I got the stop son start next song bug today |
| 21:47:25 | elinenbe|out | s/son/song |
| 21:47:29 | LinusN | TotMacher: a lot of people play games on it |
| 21:47:31 | adi|home | would it make sense to have a 'bare bones' version ont he website |
| 21:47:35 | TotMacher | hehe |
| 21:47:36 | adi|home | no games or ss |
| 21:47:41 | adi|home | no big press about it.. |
| 21:47:41 | elinenbe|out | it was about 40 seconds into a song, and just started the next song in the list |
| 21:47:52 | adi|home | just that its another choice for those that don't have a cross compiler |
| 21:48:05 | Zagor | adi|home: not much sense, really. i calculated the buffer gain to ~4s yesterday |
| 21:48:06 | adi|home | yeah.. elinenbe|out i got it yesterday |
| 21:48:15 | | Nick elinenbe|out is now known as elinenbe (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 21:48:22 | adi|home | right.. but does the firmware load faster w/o the games etc? |
| 21:48:28 | Zagor | no |
| 21:48:31 | adi|home | okay.. |
| 21:48:33 | LinusN | elinenbe|out: yeah, i think we still have a bug in the ata driver |
| 21:48:43 | adi|home | so we leave it in there for ppl that want it.. but no press.. cool with me :) |
| 21:48:53 | Zagor | :-) |
| 21:49:22 | elinenbe | talk about games... I am nearly done with my minesweeper clone :) |
| 21:49:31 | LinusN | c00l |
| 21:49:33 | adi|home | nice |
| 21:49:59 | elinenbe | it is very sharp looking... with multiple difficulties :) |
| 21:50:02 | elinenbe | IMHO |
| 21:50:36 | adi|home | brb.. laundry |
| 21:51:37 | elinenbe | that is about all I can program... simple games :( |
| 21:52:42 | Zagor | elinenbe: I want a breakout! :-) |
| 21:53:40 | elinenbe | Zagor: I can do that... without sin and cosin too! |
| 21:54:03 | Zagor | cool. that'd seriously rock. |
| 21:54:24 | elinenbe | you really do not need sin and cosin in breakout −− you just need deltax and deltay |
| 21:55:07 | dwihno | (and cool levels) |
| 21:55:13 | dwihno | (+gfx) |
| 21:55:27 | elinenbe | well, that is true. It would be nice for some grayscale |
| 21:55:49 | elinenbe | Zagor: I want grayscale! NOW! |
| 21:56:09 | Zagor | adi|home: A50 could contain something in the lines of "No you don't. You need to organise your files. Your laziness is not a very good reason for us to change our software." and a hint about the fact that shuffling many songs is best handled by a playlist |
| 21:56:15 | elinenbe | or color. 256 colors.^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ 16 bit color |
| 21:56:52 | LinusN | Zagor: i don't think it's that polite to call people lazy because they have many files in a dir |
| 21:59:13 | Zagor | true. i'm just annoyed. |
| 21:59:22 | * | dwihno hands Zagor some vanilla icecream |
| 21:59:41 | dwihno | I'll do a game for rockbox |
| 21:59:45 | dwihno | "icecream" |
| 21:59:56 | Zagor | A51 is a but too rude, IMHO :-) |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:06 | LinusN | personally, i don't mind increasing the file buffer size a little, but how much is enough? :-( |
| 22:00:24 | LinusN | sooner or later we will meet the 1000-file guy! |
| 22:00:25 | Zagor | we will never get enough, that's why I'm against it |
| 22:00:40 | Zagor | 98% of people were happy with the 200 limit too |
| 22:01:03 | dwihno | 256 bytes of memory consumed per file in a dir, right? |
| 22:01:08 | LinusN | no |
| 22:01:11 | Zagor | dwihno: no, it's less now |
| 22:01:12 | * | dwihno is fully satisfied with 200 |
| 22:01:31 | LinusN | now we try to fill the buffer as much as we can |
| 22:01:47 | | Nick edx is now known as edx|jogging (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:01:50 | dwihno | there's a thing I was thinking about |
| 22:01:57 | LinusN | actually, i think we should lower the average file name length a little |
| 22:02:13 | elinenbe | http://sourceforge.net/top/mostactive.php?type=week |
| 22:02:17 | dwihno | when skipping a number of tracks, the loading time for each track is quite high, how come? |
| 22:02:21 | | Nick edx|jogging is now known as edx (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:02:21 | LinusN | it may be better to run out of space before hitting the numfiles limit |
| 22:02:40 | LinusN | dwihno: how lon gis your ata spindown timeout? |
| 22:03:14 | elinenbe | I have a directory with 219 files, and I think that is quite huge. I have no ide what is in there. |
| 22:03:40 | dwihno | LinusN: 5 secs |
| 22:03:50 | LinusN | ok, try raising it a little |
| 22:03:58 | LinusN | and see if the track loads faster |
| 22:04:02 | dwihno | 10? |
| 22:04:03 | LinusN | do you use a playlist? |
| 22:04:31 | LinusN | plailists take longer when next-ing |
| 22:04:32 | dwihno | should it really matter since the introduction of in-memory playlists of the dirs? |
| 22:04:54 | Zagor | we still need to read the playlist file |
| 22:04:59 | Zagor | if it's a playlist and not in-dir |
| 22:05:00 | | Nick edx is now known as edx|jogging (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:05:01 | LinusN | file-based playlists take longer |
| 22:07:06 | elinenbe | LinusN: why can't we have an advance options menu where the user can set the max directory buffer and stuff like that. |
| 22:07:28 | elinenbe | so if someone has a shitload of files in their directory, then it can be set to be bigger. |
| 22:07:31 | LinusN | because it's more complicated to code |
| 22:07:41 | dwihno | printf("hello\n"); |
| 22:07:42 | LinusN | but yes, why not? |
| 22:07:44 | dwihno | you can use that ;) |
| 22:07:50 | LinusN | a config file in .rockbox/ |
| 22:07:51 | dwihno | http://dw.lahma.net/hello.avi |
| 22:07:56 | | Join Miran [0] (~dani@collcott.demon.co.uk) |
| 22:08:25 | Miran | Hey, Is that Rolo loader, built into the lastest build? |
| 22:08:30 | LinusN | but the buffer handling would have to change a lot |
| 22:08:33 | LinusN | yes it is |
| 22:08:43 | LinusN | and it rocks! |
| 22:08:46 | elinenbe | sometimes the pain of coding is worth much much more than the pain of idiots |
| 22:08:53 | LinusN | elinenbe: true |
| 22:08:59 | Miran | excuse my ignorance, but how do you use it? |
| 22:09:15 | LinusN | 1) turn off the mp3/m3u file filter |
| 22:09:29 | Zagor | elinenbe: that would mean rebuffering everything in runtime. nothing is worth that pain. |
| 22:09:32 | LinusN | 2) Look up the .mod/.ajz file in the dir browser and play it |
| 22:09:34 | dwihno | rolo was cool |
| 22:09:49 | Miran | Ah, I see |
| 22:10:01 | LinusN | Zagor: if we have it in .rockbox, it would only be adjusted at startup |
| 22:10:02 | dwihno | 1.24-something fills the entire screen with black and nothing happens |
| 22:10:07 | Miran | I guess it loads what you want as default |
| 22:10:14 | Zagor | LinusN: "only"? |
| 22:10:18 | LinusN | :-) |
| 22:10:30 | LinusN | i mean the rebuffering would not be an issue |
| 22:10:40 | Zagor | i reiterate. it is only a handfull of people rehashing this issue. let it die. |
| 22:14:22 | elinenbe | LinusN: in .rockbox is a good idea ;) |
| 22:14:43 | adi|home | okay zagor.. faq fixed for #50 |
| 22:14:51 | adi|home | im going to let 51 stew for a bit |
| 22:15:08 | Zagor | :-) |
| 22:15:09 | adi|home | im annoyed by all the 'im too lazy to read the docs, can you do the work for me and just answer my question' questions... |
| 22:15:17 | LinusN | elinenbe: still it's quite much work to do it |
| 22:15:22 | Zagor | LinusN: Fx+UP would be very nice... :-) |
| 22:15:29 | adi|home | "Can i ask a question?" |
| 22:15:29 | elinenbe | LinusN: I understant |
| 22:15:36 | adi|home | "No... fuck off." |
| 22:15:39 | adi|home | was version 1 |
| 22:15:43 | LinusN | Zagor: i am working on a solution |
| 22:15:45 | adi|home | #51 is the more toned down version |
| 22:15:50 | elinenbe | LinusN: I also agree with Zagor on this one −− pageup/down in the screen would be nice. |
| 22:16:23 | elinenbe | LinusN: Now that I can load the archos firmware as I choose, I notice how much faster they are able to scroll their tree view. How do you think this is accomplished |
| 22:16:47 | LinusN | maybe they have a faster key repeat? |
| 22:17:10 | LinusN | it is not a performance issue |
| 22:17:35 | LinusN | at least i don't think so |
| 22:17:36 | adi|home | i ment to ask.. was there a reason none of the menus wrap? |
| 22:17:42 | Zagor | they have key repeat acceleration |
| 22:17:42 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:17:49 | LinusN | adi|home: yes |
| 22:17:58 | LinusN | nobody made them wrap :-) |
| 22:18:21 | elinenbe | there was a patch on the mailing list for menu-wrap a while back |
| 22:18:29 | elinenbe | maybe I will check it out. |
| 22:18:40 | LinusN | Zagor: have you thought of a key repeat acceleration solution? |
| 22:18:52 | LinusN | just to try it out |
| 22:18:56 | elinenbe | that would be nce. |
| 22:19:04 | elinenbe | what file is key-repeat delay in? |
| 22:19:11 | LinusN | button.c |
| 22:19:30 | elinenbe | ok |
| 22:19:45 | Zagor | i have been thinking about it, because I too think ours is too slow |
| 22:19:58 | Zagor | but it has not surfaced on top of the todo list yet :-) |
| 22:20:00 | dwihno | how about increasing speed of the repeat? |
| 22:20:11 | LinusN | we can try |
| 22:21:13 | elinenbe | LinusN: do it! ;) |
| 22:22:03 | LinusN | i'm not able to right now... |
| 22:22:13 | elinenbe | LinusN: i am just kidding |
| 22:25:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:26:18 | Zagor | I'm adding "Sort case" and "dir filter" toggles to the F2 quickset screen |
| 22:26:48 | dwihno | F2 quickset screen is a cool addition to WPS! |
| 22:26:59 | dwihno | Three yays for the QSS! YAY YAY YAY! :D |
| 22:27:03 | Zagor | dwihno: it's not only wps. the dir browser has it too. |
| 22:27:05 | * | dwihno loves abbreviations |
| 22:27:10 | dwihno | mkay |
| 22:27:38 | Zagor | it just lives in wps.c for now :-) |
| 22:27:51 | dwihno | :O |
| 22:27:56 | dwihno | I can't allow that! |
| 22:28:04 | * | dwihno sounds the siren! Where's the code police?! |
| 22:28:05 | dwihno | :-) |
| 22:33:08 | TotMacher | is sort case important ? |
| 22:33:18 | Zagor | some people think so |
| 22:33:35 | TotMacher | i think that is a option for the ass |
| 22:33:37 | TotMacher | :) |
| 22:33:46 | Zagor | maybe not important enough to have in the quickset screen, but we can always change that later |
| 22:33:52 | TotMacher | jupp |
| 22:33:54 | TotMacher | but |
| 22:34:05 | TotMacher | then the people whine: "why did you removed it" |
| 22:34:06 | TotMacher | so |
| 22:34:07 | TotMacher | :) |
| 22:34:09 | dwihno | heh |
| 22:34:24 | Zagor | haha |
| 22:34:36 | dwihno | Zagor the almighty |
| 22:34:41 | elinenbe | I think sort case is useless too. |
| 22:34:46 | Zagor | a good point, actually |
| 22:34:53 | Zagor | too many changes confuse the users |
| 22:34:57 | TotMacher | yes |
| 22:35:17 | dwihno | how far away is disk writing? |
| 22:35:24 | dwihno | 5 kilometres? |
| 22:35:42 | TotMacher | how far is sort by date ? |
| 22:35:43 | TotMacher | :) |
| 22:35:57 | Zagor | dwihno: it's a bit off still |
| 22:36:23 | | Nick edx|jogging is now known as edx|sleep (~edx@pD9EABA06.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:36:25 | dwihno | Zagor: I think rockbox is excellent right now... Some buffer issues occurs every now and then, but I don't know how to reproduce it yet. |
| 22:37:08 | TotMacher | you should name the mp3/m3u filter into File Filter and do not filter out .ajz and .wps files |
| 22:37:20 | dwihno | ya |
| 22:37:27 | dwihno | .ajz and wps are your friend |
| 22:37:32 | TotMacher | hehe yes :) |
| 22:37:36 | dwihno | and .txt - a simple txt viewer would be neato |
| 22:38:00 | dwihno | that bar thingy in the file list is neato btw! :D it kicks mucho arse! |
| 22:38:32 | dwihno | I think 1.4 will be the greatest release |
| 22:38:50 | TotMacher | yes, the bar rox |
| 22:39:25 | Zagor | TotMacher: no, the filter stays. it's for those who only want to use the mp3 features |
| 22:39:46 | TotMacher | but those never have .ajz and .wps files :) |
| 22:39:47 | Zagor | if we include all supported file types, the filter will be pointless |
| 22:39:59 | dwihno | Zagor: is propfonts default nowadays? |
| 22:40:00 | Zagor | they will always have at least one ajz file |
| 22:40:03 | Zagor | dwihno: no |
| 22:40:14 | TotMacher | ok, but that will always be named ajbrec.ajz |
| 22:40:15 | Zagor | we will enable loadables directly |
| 22:40:23 | dwihno | sounds good to me |
| 22:40:29 | Zagor | TotMacher: filter switch is quickset now, so it's not a problem |
| 22:40:35 | TotMacher | ok |
| 22:40:41 | dwihno | Zagor: has the current (fixed) font been converted yet? |
| 22:41:21 | Zagor | dwihno: no |
| 22:41:58 | dwihno | damn |
| 22:42:00 | dwihno | I hate windows |
| 22:42:09 | dwihno | I pressed ctrl-w to erase the last word |
| 22:42:16 | dwihno | it closed the window |
| 22:42:18 | dwihno | stupid windows |
| 22:42:36 | * | dwihno plays some solitaire to mend his soul |
| 22:44:11 | TotMacher | is loadable fonts included yet ? |
| 22:44:29 | dwihno | I think it's ifdef:able |
| 22:44:40 | Zagor | TotMacher: yes but not enabled by default. they are not finished. |
| 22:44:44 | TotMacher | ok |
| 22:45:14 | dwihno | Reminds me, I need to finish the conversion of the propfont |
| 22:45:23 | dwihno | Damn, so many things, so little time! :( |
| 22:45:45 | Zagor | dwihno: you don't say? ;) |
| 22:46:16 | dwihno | Zagor: Yeah, and with my shitty job I always get 110% tired when I come home so I don't have the energy to do anything productive! |
| 22:48:26 | dwihno | I was on job interview today for a systemtekniker job |
| 22:48:43 | dwihno | They said they wanted me on their coding department instead :/ I got confused |
| 22:56:10 | Zagor | did you mention rockbox? |
| 22:57:25 | dwihno | no |
| 22:57:26 | dwihno | how come? |
| 22:57:42 | dwihno | should I've done that? |
| 22:57:49 | Zagor | just curious. they might be impressed... :-) |
| 22:57:51 | dwihno | heh |
| 22:57:59 | dwihno | Well, I haven't done anything really useful yet |
| 22:59:08 | | Join Snorlax [0] (lamamba_@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) |
| 22:59:08 | adi|home | yeah.. but they don't know that dwihno ;) |
| 22:59:13 | adi|home | besides.. its experiance |
| 22:59:46 | Snorlax | anything new on Mike Dirnt(bassist in Green DAy who has a jukebox recorder) =) |
| 22:59:58 | Snorlax | probably rockbox! |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:00 | dwihno | hehe |
| 23:00:14 | dwihno | "Mike Dirnt also rocks his box!" |
| 23:00:25 | Zagor | Snorlax: no, but CmdrTaco was here yesterday giving "mad props to the development team" |
| 23:00:26 | dwihno | DirNT sounds like some two-window file management program |
| 23:00:33 | dwihno | Zagor: mad props? |
| 23:00:39 | dwihno | proppa saltgurka! |
| 23:00:50 | * | dwihno gives Zagor some saltgurkasmörgås with leverpastej |
| 23:00:59 | Zagor | i guess it |
| 23:01:07 | Zagor | 's some kind of compliment :-) |
| 23:01:15 | Zagor | anyway, gotta go. see you tomorrow guys! |
| 23:01:23 | dwihno | Yum, I want taco's |
| 23:01:25 | | Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") |
| 23:01:42 | dwihno | and none of that hard corn shells... real bread :)¨¨ |
| 23:01:47 | dwihno | yum! |
| 23:01:50 | dwihno | Give me TACOS! |
| 23:01:55 | dwihno | Anybody wants a taco? |
| 23:02:07 | * | Snorlax fills a waterbalon with leverpatej and trows it MITTI PLANETEN on dwinho! |
| 23:02:22 | dwihno | leverpastej är världens grej ;D |
| 23:02:36 | adi|home | hmm.. just noticed that scolling seems weird on the dir listing... |
| 23:02:38 | Snorlax | leverpastej is a very funny word! |
| 23:02:45 | Snorlax | =) |
| 23:02:48 | manel | shaleh: :(((((((( i wanna use some win fonts on *term |
| 23:03:01 | manel | shaleh: is there any _unofficial_ way to use them? |
| 23:03:17 | adi|home | with wrap around on dir listing... |
| 23:03:27 | adi|home | when you reach the 'bottom' you auto jump the listing to the top... |
| 23:03:28 | manel | sorry? |
| 23:03:33 | adi|home | with full screen listing |
| 23:03:36 | adi|home | seems odd to do that |
| 23:04:32 | | Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 23:11:53 | | Part LinusN |
| 23:14:58 | pimlottc | happens in playback too |
| 23:15:23 | pimlottc | which is a bad thing if only for purposes of power saving |
| 23:29:33 | | Quit Snorlax ("gittar ny!") |
| 23:32:24 | | Quit datazone-work ("I like core dumps") |
| 23:35:42 | | Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@AMontsouris-108-1-17-230.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:35:53 | BoD[] | helllllllllo |
| 23:37:06 | BoD[] | Hey i have a question ... what does f2 do in the latest build (recorder) ? |
| 23:40:07 | BoD[] | anybody ? |
| 23:40:27 | dwihno | CVS? |
| 23:40:41 | adi|home | f2? |
| 23:40:48 | adi|home | if you hold it it lists the shift menu |
| 23:40:53 | adi|home | ie what you can hit when you hold it |
| 23:40:56 | dwihno | Well, it toggles the QSS (quickset screen) |
| 23:41:20 | adi|home | nods |
| 23:41:32 | adi|home | which is a kick ass feature btw |
| 23:41:47 | BoD[] | in the recorder ? |
| 23:41:52 | dwihno | ya |
| 23:41:56 | BoD[] | strange when i press it it does nothing !! |
| 23:41:57 | dwihno | it's a kick ass feature indeed! |
| 23:42:08 | dwihno | BoD[]: You got the absolutely latest CVS stuff? |
| 23:42:24 | BoD[] | well i took the nighly build |
| 23:42:46 | adi|home | what version do you need |
| 23:42:50 | adi|home | ill give you a new build |
| 23:43:00 | BoD[] | recorder :) |
| 23:43:14 | adi|home | k.. |
| 23:43:18 | adi|home | updating.. 1 min |
| 23:43:45 | adi|home | man i like this cd |
| 23:43:54 | dwihno | which CD? |
| 23:44:31 | adi|home | avril levigne, Let go |
| 23:44:38 | dwihno | hmm |
| 23:44:46 | dwihno | Never heard of :) |
| 23:44:53 | adi|home | shes new |
| 23:44:57 | adi|home | skater punk chick |
| 23:45:00 | dwihno | Gotta catch some sleep, I got to get up tomorrow too :( |
| 23:45:01 | adi|home | 18.. hot as all sin |
| 23:45:04 | adi|home | but its a good cd |
| 23:45:06 | adi|home | surprised me |
| 23:45:09 | adi|home | nite mate |
| 23:45:12 | dwihno | I need to check her pics ;D |
| 23:45:31 | adi|home | Bod do you want games? |
| 23:45:45 | BoD[] | well of course :) |
| 23:45:48 | dwihno | http://www.rock-n-radio.com/images/avril.jpg |
| 23:45:49 | adi|home | screensavers? |
| 23:45:51 | dwihno | cute chick |
| 23:45:55 | adi|home | nods |
| 23:45:59 | dwihno | screensavers are pretty useless right now |
| 23:46:01 | adi|home | something about her is soooo fuckable |
| 23:46:04 | BoD[] | i still not have checkedc the new game by the way ! |
| 23:46:13 | BoD[] | yes please, too :) |
| 23:46:24 | adi|home | loadable font support? |
| 23:47:12 | BoD[] | put everything on ;) |
| 23:47:33 | adi|home | k |
| 23:49:01 | dwihno | buffer size: 400k ;) |
| 23:49:22 | Miran | erm, with Rolo... how do you change back to the original firmware? |
| 23:49:50 | dwihno | you can only do that if the new firmware has a loader too |
| 23:50:02 | Miran | Ah |
| 23:50:09 | Miran | there in is the problem |
| 23:50:26 | Miran | so I have to rename the files in order to return to the original? |
| 23:50:48 | adi|home | no.. |
| 23:50:50 | adi|home | just reboot |
| 23:51:10 | Miran | ah I get it, explains why its not working |
| 23:51:16 | Miran | I'm charging |
| 23:52:35 | | Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
| 23:52:45 | BoD[] | thank you very much adi !!!!! |
| 23:52:51 | adi|home | np |
| 23:53:00 | adi|home | it just the default build |
| 23:53:03 | adi|home | no fonts etc |
| 23:53:33 | BoD[] | all right |
| 23:53:45 | BoD[] | i'm gonna test it right now |
| 23:57:41 | BoD[] | hmmmmm |
| 23:57:50 | BoD[] | very strange |
| 23:58:11 | BoD[] | is it a work in progress ? |
| 23:58:19 | BoD[] | (the f2 shift thing) |
| 23:58:43 | adi|home | no.. |
| 23:58:49 | adi|home | just press it and hold it.. |
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