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#rockbox log for 2002-09-20

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00:21:29BoD[]i go to bed now !
00:21:31BoD[]bye !!!
00:21:46tot|aewAeimy german
00:21:48tot|aewAeiis ready
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00:21:56TotMach3rany german guy here ?
00:22:00TotMach3rto check ?
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00:44:26TotMach3rthe osc R=XX
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01:25:49m5jazHello, can someone tell me where to find remoclone PIC code?
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04:53:45PsycoXulhey cool
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08:25:18LinusNhey Zagor!
08:31:58Zagori have busted the new font code. very frustrating. it works in sim but not in target. argh!
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08:37:25mem_LinusN: god morgon!
08:37:32LinusNZagor: a common problem
08:37:34LinusNTjena Magnus!
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08:38:25mem_LinusN: The "presentation" last Wednesday forced me to order a Recorder...
08:38:40LinusNi realized that
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08:38:50LinusNyou didn't wait for the FM?
08:38:55rwoodis anyone else having trouble getting genlang to work under cygwin?
08:38:56LinusNhi Bagder
08:38:58mem_Bagder: good morning
08:39:23Zagorrwood: it could be a linefeed problem
08:39:36Zagorlanghaarocker had problems yesterday
08:39:45Bagderit sure could be, yes
08:39:53BagderI just fixed uplang in that aspect
08:39:58mem_LinusN: I looked at Archos web page but couldn't see anything about a FM version. Is the FM version for real or just roumers?
08:40:03rwoodi tried converting genlang and english to dos with no success - by the way, genlang isn't in the tarball
08:40:23mem_Zagor: good morning to you too
08:40:57Bagderrwood: me fixed now
08:41:05Zagor"Ljup urladdning"? Odd spelling :-)
08:41:14Zagormem_: morn
08:41:22Bagderme a crap speller ;-)
08:42:08LinusNmem_: they recently published a press release
08:42:22Bagderwe have a red build
08:42:24LinusNi think those models are due for christmas
08:42:40Bagderguess I made it
08:42:47Zagorguess so :-)
08:43:20rwoodZagor: with the fonts and languages being such major improvements, are you going to hold 1.4 til recording is added?
08:43:33BagderZagor: those bugs and features tables seems to work now, with working links etc
08:43:38mem_LinusN: But if Archos don't say anything about it on the web how does ppl know? Inside info or just roumers? And I can't wait until Xmas...
08:43:44Zagorrwood: no, we'll be releasing a 1.4 without recording and file writing
08:44:20rwoodZagor: sounds good - could bring in many new users
08:44:32ZagorBagder: goodie
08:49:06mem_LinusN: Okay, but I _CAN'T_ wait that long :-)
08:49:59mem_LinusN: I guess I have to buy the FM version when RockBox has support for that one :-)
08:51:56Bagderwho cares for radio anyway? ;-)
08:52:32CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 13 minutes and 30 seconds at the last flood
08:52:32*mem_ cares for radio :-)
08:59:06ZagorLinusN: do you have time to rec-gdb something for me?
08:59:35*Bagder hopes for the builds to go green now any minute
09:00:08LinusNZagor: not really, but what is it?
09:00:20Zagormy silly font bug. i just can't see it.
09:00:42Zagoras soon as I call lcd_setfont(), target breaks. sim works dandy.
09:01:24Zagorit worked yesterday when cvs was down...
09:02:17LinusNsend me the patch
09:02:35Bagdershow me the code! ;-P
09:02:42*Bagder ducks
09:02:53*mem_ going for a coffee break
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09:05:11LinusNthat's a helluva patch
09:05:34Zagormake a copy of your work dir and apply this there
09:08:32Zagor"...saw some posts here about a program called Rockbox...searched for it online...I LOVE IT...loox very koool and i like the way u search for songz....and the volume and ...just everything"
09:09:12LinusNi think he found the Rockbox MP3 playing program for Windoze
09:10:07Zagorhaha, yeah probably
09:13:41bobTHChi all!
09:14:34Bagdermorning bobTHC
09:14:54bobTHClittle pb "cvs [server aborted]: "commit" requires write access to the repository"
09:15:13LinusNbobTHC: have you checked out non-anonymously?
09:15:16BagderbobTHC: you need to check out the repo using ssh and your account
09:15:16ZagorbobTHC: you need to login, not use pserver
09:17:28bobTHCok i use ":ext: " ?
09:27:01 Quit MasterOfMagic ("BitchX WWW Site --")
09:27:20BagderZagor: did you see MasterOfMagic's comments on the isd200 driver yday?
09:27:50Zagoryes. i updated the isd200 page about it. i've heard it before.
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09:27:55Bagderaha, ok
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09:52:21Bagderhave we made any adjustments in the key code for that ON issue?
09:53:24Bagderbug 595658
09:54:39LinusNBagder: what can we do?
09:55:00Bagderdon't ask me, I ask you ;-)
09:55:21LinusNwe can't adjust the code for a broken PORTB
09:55:52LinusNthe ON key is digital
09:56:21LinusNeither it works or it doesn't
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09:57:17langhaarrocker:( Linus doesn't like my thread.
09:58:07langhaarrockerBut it really improved the vu meter a lot.
09:59:19langhaarrockerIt's because the quasi peak of the mas is lousy you miss a lot of peak values. -> reading lots of values decreased that risk dramatically
09:59:19LinusNi'm sure it did
09:59:36LinusNwhy is it necessary to not miss the peaks?
10:00:04LinusNthe VU meter is a toy anyway isn't it?
10:00:34langhaarrockerBecause it's the peaks that are interesting. Only if you see a peek with every oomp you get the impression that the peak meter is related with the music.
10:01:40LinusNi see
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10:02:32langhaarrockerYou can try it yourself easily by replacing the yield in the thread with a sleep(5), or so.
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10:07:50Zagorbrace for impact...
10:08:08*Bagder gets strapped
10:08:24langhaarrocker(taking cover)
10:08:38langhaarrockerfile writing?
10:08:59Zagornah, major font code changes
10:12:49langhaarrockerI wished there was a way to really unregister a thread.
10:13:07LinusNyou mean suspend it?
10:13:47LinusNno, we don't have that yet
10:14:03LinusNhowever, you can sleep(VERY_LONG_TIME);
10:14:16LinusNin a loop
10:14:35LinusNor better, wait on a queue
10:14:56LinusNbut the problem isn't when the thread is "idle"
10:15:08LinusNit is when it is talking to the MAS like crazy
10:16:05langhaarrockerThat's major improvement: before it was talking to the mas _and_ to the lcd like crazy.
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10:17:11totlanghaarrocker ?
10:17:24totdu sprichts doch deutsch
10:17:26tothaste nicht lust
10:17:35toteben ber meine deutsch.lang zu schauen ?
10:17:45*Bagder hides from the germans
10:18:00langhaarrockermaybe in the evening.
10:18:14langhaarrockertot: Are you the result of TotMacher?
10:18:24totyes :)
10:18:29totis my pc in office
10:18:36totbut i forgot to switch mirc off
10:19:33langhaarrockerhave you sent your deutsch.lang to the mailing list?
10:19:35totsonst noch jemand deutscher hier ?
10:19:41totonly to zagor
10:19:53Bagderand he didn't correct it? B)
10:20:04*tot slaps Bagder around a bit with a large trout
10:20:10BagderZagor's going soft ;-)
10:20:48langhaarrockerNo problem: When Zagor fails there's always Linus to dislike my threads.
10:21:13LinusNi'm a Code Police trainee
10:21:22Bagderif you want me to, I could ignore you on the list a bit too B-)
10:21:36*Bagder grins
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10:21:58LinusNlanghaarrocker: you are only implementing rubbish!
10:22:09totwho did the osscillograph ?
10:22:12LinusNfocus on the important issues!
10:22:13*Bagder falls off his chair laughing
10:22:20Zagoryikes, major reds
10:22:40Zagorah, tools is not rebuilt
10:23:20Bagderperhaps we should
10:23:37Zagoryes, would be good i think
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10:24:21Zagorwill you fix?
10:24:30Bagderme fixorz
10:26:56Bagderit should be enough to do it once for all targets
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10:30:13LinusNi just had the most fantastic experience!
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10:31:11LinusNi just had the most fantastic experience!
10:31:28LinusNi examined a PCB returned from a customer
10:31:48LinusNit has an MPC821 processor
10:31:52LinusNa PowerPC
10:31:59Zagorbouncy bouncy
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10:32:02LinusNtotal crash on boot
10:32:11LinusNi fired up the debugger
10:32:28Bagderyou have customers? ;-)
10:32:28*Bagder ducks
10:32:43LinusNguess what was broke?
10:33:02LinusNbit 4 was stuck at 0 in register r3!!!
10:33:13LinusNcosmic radiation?
10:33:36ZagorLinusN: yikes
10:33:36LinusNonly r3 was broke
10:33:41BagderI think it is an evil conspiracy by the CIA and RIAA
10:33:45LinusNall other registers were ok
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10:34:07ZagorLinusN: maybe they put in in the autoclave
10:34:51Bagderand we are green
10:35:10Zagoroy, the build table looks a bit strnge
10:35:29Bagderjust a few blanks ;-)
10:35:47BagderI run it manually, that's why
10:36:11LinusNthe PCB came back from Japan
10:37:20ZagorBagder: now, class on the bug & feature tables
10:37:42Bagderany specific requests?
10:37:53Zagorclass=bugs & class=requests
10:38:05Bagderon the TR ?
10:38:12Zagorno, the table
10:38:17Bagderah, ok
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10:39:08Bagdertry now
10:39:25Bagderhey Mats
10:39:51matslhi Bagder.
10:41:16Bagderah, changed font extension I see
10:41:19matslBagder: I just did, for my own amusement, a plain stupid translation for everything into swedish
10:41:43Bagderdid you cvs update first? B-]
10:41:53matslBagder: I think so.
10:41:56Bagderor even, bring it in
10:42:11BagderI asked because I added a bunch of swedish strings
10:42:20*matsl phones rings
10:43:55ZagorBagder: you seem to filter out fixed bugs. i think they should be visible too.
10:44:41Bagderthe script probably needs adjustments, but if we can just show it somewhere it'll be easier to work on the details
10:44:49Zagorstatus uses it now
10:45:42Bagdernow, the fixed ones are included too
10:46:06Bagderis the date interesting?
10:46:19Zagornah, but sorting is probably nice
10:46:32Bagderyou mean custom or on a specific column?
10:46:44Zagor1:resolution, 2:prio, 3:id
10:48:54*matsl phone stops ringing
10:49:54matslBagder: I'll check it in. a bad translation helps others think of better ways to sait or?
10:50:11matslsait/ say it
10:50:30Bagderbad swedish is better than english in the svenska.lang
10:51:08matslsome things are reallt hard to get right in swedish though.
10:51:33BagderZagor: sorting on resolution is tricky, as 'None' should probably come first...
10:51:44Zagoryup :-)
10:51:59Zagorbut basic alphabetic is still better than unsorted
10:52:18Bagderwe *could* make a lookup-table, if we really want to
10:53:31matslBagder: One thing though. The fonts on the player and , and .
10:54:04Bagderwhat about them?
10:54:13LinusNnew players don't have them
10:54:41Bagderbut we have a translation table, don't we?
10:54:46Zagorwe should probably fix a defaultchar table for new players, translating to aao.
10:54:49LinusNnew players don't have
10:55:09BagderZagor: exactly my thinking
10:55:10LinusNZagor: that would be better than nothing
10:55:13matslor find good words in swedish without them
10:55:24matslbut that is hard
10:55:30LinusNor dynamically define customchars :-)
10:55:39*matsl phones rings
10:55:40Zagormatsl: good point. but filenames will always be a problem anyway.
10:58:37*matsl phone stops ringing
10:58:46BagderZagor: ok, I made a lookup table for the resolutions so that None gets before Works for me
10:59:09matslZagor: I know. grip fixes the bad chars for me anyway so I haven't noticed the -problem my self.
10:59:41Zagor are bad chars? :-)
11:00:34matslso what is the conclusion? check in with and fix a translation table to aao?
11:01:37matslhow about the user defined chars. can't they be used?
11:04:47Zagoryup, they can up to the limit of course. would be a cool hack.
11:05:51matslout of my scope now anyway. How much work is it with the translation table?
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11:07:29Zagorshouldn't be much work
11:08:16BagderZagor: it struck me that the CVS activity table use the full time as a hash, including seconds, so only the same commit within the same comment arrive on the same row
11:08:29Bagderwithin the same second
11:08:50ZagorBagder: ah
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11:42:43bobTHCsomeone use cvs under win2k
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11:45:45langhaarrockerI use WinCvs with Win2k but not on sourceforge.
11:46:08bobTHCi've some config pb...
11:46:36bobTHCu use it with ssh autentification ??
11:52:59bobTHCit's my problem... i can use it without ssh but without any right...
12:11:43bobTHCposting ssh key is requiere to have write right ???
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12:16:23bobTHC zagor posting ssh key on sourceforge is requiere to have write access ???
12:17:11Zagorit's only required if you don't want to write your password for each cvs command
12:18:08bobTHCi can login me with my login/pass but he tell me "commit" requires write access to the repository
12:19:11Zagoryou need to check everything out again. your directory is using the pserver (anonymous) repository
12:22:34bobTHCi make it yesterday with same result....
12:25:56Zagormake a new dir, log in, check out
12:27:08langhaarrockerOh! I finally earned to be listed in the credits!
12:28:49langhaarrockerI must work harder. Maybe I'll manage to be nominated for a t-shirt.
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12:36:19langhaarrockerIs the peak meter patch labled 'Not to commit'?
12:37:05kargatronasked yesterday, no one seemed to know - is there any archived discussion about bookmarking plans/intentions that I could browse?
12:38:12langhaarrockerThere are the feature requests on sourceforge.
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12:38:52LinusNkargatron: bookmarking is planned
12:39:11LinusNbut we can't do it until we can write to the disk
12:39:58kargatroni knew bookmarking was planned - just wanted to get a feel for the particular implementations in minf.
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12:40:13kargatrone.g. auto-bookmarking of playlists when STOPped
12:40:41kargatron'write to the disk' - thought that happened all the time with resume?
12:41:17langhaarrockerLinusN: Do you consider that peak meter thread hog too hoggy to commit it?
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12:42:38langhaarrockerHadak: does your 'yo' refer to the peak meter?
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12:44:08LinusNkargatron: yes, we write to specific sectors for the settings, but we can't generate files yet
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12:44:41LinusNlanghaarrocker: nah, it only affects those who use the VU meter anyway
12:44:42Zagorlanghaarrocker: i do
12:45:01Hadakaum, the yo was for bobTHC who had msg's me a while back
12:45:52kargatronis the setting 'space' limited? would auto-bookmarking take up too much?
12:45:56langhaarrockerZagor: You consider it too hoggy or you do commit?
12:46:22Zagori think it's too hoggy
12:47:02kargatroni mean auto-bookmarking as 'automatic resume per playlist' as resume works now, in ask mode
12:47:29Zagorkargatron: when we can write files, space is a non-issue
12:47:48kargatronof course
12:47:51kargatronwas referring to before then
12:48:17kargatroni.e. we have resume now with sector-writing, would resume-per-playlist take up too much
12:50:57freshmakerthe extension for font files was changed: s/fnt/fon/ why? clash with old mickeysoft windows font file extensions?
12:51:03kargatronand file-writing is what is the main thing behind the predicted v1.5: File Management?
12:51:20Zagorfreshmaker: was it?
12:51:56freshmakerZagor: it was 'system.fnt' before; now it is default.fon
12:52:05Zagorthat's a mistake
12:52:08langhaarrockerZagor: Is it the fact that there is another thread or the frequent mas communication what you consider too hoggy?
12:52:18freshmakerby whom?
12:52:20Zagorfreshmaker: o
12:52:24Zagori'm fixing it now
12:52:32Zagorbyb me
12:52:39Zagorbleh, can't type toady
12:53:04LinusNlanghaarrocker: the frequent MAS communication
12:54:06Zagorexactly. another thread is ok, busy polling is not.
12:54:50LinusNit isn't exactly busy polling
12:55:14Zagorfreshmaker: fixed
12:56:04Zagorwell ok, busy + yield, but it's still a massive cpu hog
12:56:16kargatronwhere's system.fnt looked at now, / or .rockbox?
12:56:37Zagorit's /.rockbox/default.fnt
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12:57:01Zagorall boot-loaded files should be called 'default'
12:57:11bobTHChaaaaaaaaaaaa! i succesfully commit !!!!
12:57:15Zagor(unless the user specified another, of course)
12:57:26ZagorbobTHC: nice
12:57:43bobTHCafter a total reinstall of tortoise and wincvs
12:59:24LinusNstill, i can't think of a "better" way of MAS'ing
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12:59:44LinusNok, sleep(1) may be slightly better...
13:00:08kargatronah, ok, so given that i'm on 920 build and don't have a default.fnt file, that means that fischer's bold font is canned now as default?
13:00:08freshmakerZagor: Maybe you want to fix the simulator, too :-)
13:00:08kargatroncouldn't tell yesterday, cuz it was the ugly one without a system.fnt
13:00:08Zagorkargatron: yes, default font is non-bold
13:00:08Zagorfreshmaker: doh! :(
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13:00:09kargatronoops, confused. i meant 'canned' as in 'in the can', sorry - not dumped.
13:00:10DBUGEnqueued KICK kargatron
13:00:10kargatroni have fischer's big readable font working on 0920, but have no default.fnt file (only system.fnt)
13:00:10kargatronwher's the font actually coming from?
13:00:10Zagorkargatron: we use Uwes font. i think it's from Xfree86
13:00:10freshmakerkargatron: I made it
13:00:27Zagorfreshmaker: did you make it from scratch?
13:00:36freshmakerkargatron: it was derived from old ROM fonts of C=64 and Atari 800
13:00:53Zagorah, that font. yes. but that's not the new system font.
13:01:09kargatronit looks exactly like the one i grabbed on fischer's suggestion a few adys ago. wondering what i'm looking at - yours, or this old one/
13:01:21Zagorbut it's a very nice font. '' could be better though :-)
13:01:46Zagormaybe i'm mixing up names...
13:01:56kargatronthe one i'm looking at is very readable, but also big and bold looking.
13:02:09freshmakerZagor: At first I had a copy of the Atari8x8 font from somwewhere. more and more changes were added. It was messy. Then I started from scratch with two sheets of the original chartables (C=64 and Atari 800)
13:02:30Zagorkargatron: the new font was committed this morning. it's called clR6x8.bdf
13:02:52kargatronah, ok, i'm on the daily build, so wouldn't see it. gotcha
13:03:03Zagorright. try the bleeding edge build.
13:03:45Zagorfreshmaker: you should make '' the same height as ''. it looks a bit strange imho
13:05:10freshmakerI know. all small glyphs with accents should have the same x-height as all other small glyphs. but with effectively 7 pixels this is not possible.
13:06:10freshmakerSo I decided to make at least most of the accented small glyphs the same x-height. works for but not for
13:11:13freshmakerkargatron: i tried everything to reduce the 'bold' font (it's called Atadore = Atari + Commodore), but if I did so −− e.g. with 'o' or 'd' −− it was at the expense of readability
13:11:53Zagorfreshmaker: it's a good font
13:13:56freshmakerZagor: I showed my new Archos to my girlfirend; she said something like "piece of sh*t; can't read anything!". So I sat down to start looking for alternative fonts ;-)
13:14:37Zagorhehe. yeah, our previous font was really ugly
13:18:00Zagoruwes new font is not as good as the old, imho
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13:25:20freshmakerZagor: Why did he change 'E' 'F' and 'L'? That's a regression, imho
13:25:25Zagori agree
13:25:34Zagori'm responding to his mail
13:27:40Zagoroh, it's dwinos font!
13:34:01freshmakerZagor: Yes, I thought you're aware of that
13:35:19freshmakerZagor: It doesn't build anymore: stops at makeing in apps because EXTRA_DEFINES is unquoted -> investigating...
13:35:22LinusNlanghaarrocker: how slow can you do the MAS reading with acceptable results?
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13:35:48LinusNis 100Hz too slow?
13:38:55Zagorbuilds for me
13:39:22LinusNfreshmaker: run configure again
13:40:57freshmakerLinusN: I found the problem: in tools/configure line 372
13:41:22freshmakerLinusN: missing double quotes
13:41:47Bagdermy bad
13:42:55Bagderfix committed
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13:45:29freshmakerI'm looking for comments to the scrollbar patch I sent to the list
13:45:59LinusNyou mean the one that hides it?
13:46:23freshmakeryes, but only when the scrollbar is not necessary
13:46:26LinusNi tried it, and i like it
13:46:44LinusNi want to apply it, but i want it to be optional
13:47:01freshmakerthat's the expected behavior of scrollbars, i think
13:47:08LinusNmore options for the scrollbar setting: "on", "off", "when needed"
13:47:45LinusNthat's just my opinion
13:47:55LinusNi hope someone else can comment on this
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13:48:16freshmakerto make everything optional can lead to featuritis, too.
13:50:19freshmakerahh, just looked into the source for global settings. the byte is full: converting it into a tri-option would not fit that easily
13:51:38LinusNyeah, we'll have to move things around a little
13:52:00LinusNbut as you said, we can apply it as it is too
13:52:10LinusNi just want more opinions
13:53:50b0bTHCfor me 3 scroolbar setting is good
13:55:03matslabout options: With so many options around and now also lang-support wouldn't it be cool if you could through the webbpage configure your and build you mod?
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13:55:42Bagdermatsl: that's a cool idea
13:55:52b0bTHCa cgi based page who build ure version
13:56:59kargatronagree sith fresh - default scrollbar obviously (to me) 'when needed'
13:58:06freshmakerkargatron: let me carify: you want a dual option: 'off' or 'when needed', right?
13:58:45kargatron3's ok too, but i see n osubstantial objection to having 'when needed' but no 'on'
13:59:15kargatroni.e. can't see the 2-option being a burden
13:59:56freshmakerkargatron: it costs a bit, literally
14:00:07LinusNme neither, i can get used to the "when needed" behaviour
14:01:12kargatronis there a single place that the wps config var names are defined?
14:01:31kargatronlooking but can't find (but i'm no c coder, so maybe not surprising)
14:01:54kargatronyou know, fn, pe, ia, etc
14:02:38Bagderwps-display.c I believe
14:03:42Zagorthe "keep LED on when writing" request is tricky. due to caching, the write command finishes long before the data is actually on disk.
14:04:01Zagorkargatron: wps-display.c
14:04:23kargatronjust grepping there doesn't show any defs. eg. 'fv' only shows up in a default format call - can't see where fv corresponds to some entity
14:04:25BagderZagor: a little delay on the led-off is probably all it takes, even though not an exact indicator
14:04:38LinusNZagor: i have a very good solution to the LED problem
14:04:45Zagorkargatron: it's a char-by-char parsing.
14:04:47Bagderkargatron: the checks are split in to, one check for the first letter and then a check for the second mostly
14:04:59ZagorLinusN: tell me
14:05:02langhaarrockerLinusN: I'm @ work now. I'll try to find slower mas readout in the evening (which is in about 6 hours here).
14:05:06LinusNa timed LED-off
14:05:13Zagorhow long?
14:05:30LinusNwell, perhaps 0.2s, just enough to be able to see the LED
14:05:45LinusNusing a hardware timer and an IRQ
14:05:47Zagorit doesn't help. the led will go off long before the write is finished
14:06:05Zagorwe're talking >1 second here
14:06:40Zagorthe ATA write command finishes immediately, because the disk caches the request. then it spins up the disk and flushes the data.
14:06:52LinusNZagor: disable the write cache then
14:07:08Zagorthat's probably best, yes
14:07:17LinusNwrite caching is mostly evil anyway :-)
14:07:33Zagorit's very nice when we implement file writing...
14:07:42LinusNhow dynamic can we make it?
14:08:20Zagori'm not sure. reading...
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14:16:39Bagderoh, new bug list
14:17:05LinusNyeah, but it doesn't refresh
14:17:20Bagderonce per day or something
14:17:30Bagderits a 500K xml download
14:17:53Zagorimho it should update twice a day: 18.00 and 06.00
14:18:21Bagderour time you mean?
14:18:36LinusNyou mean there are other times?
14:18:59Bagdercrontab installed
14:21:06BagderZagor: you plan on popping up the feature request list somewhere too?
14:21:13Bagderthat could be quite neat
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14:21:49Zagoryes. i plan to point the menu links to our own pages, with just a "submit" link to the sf page
14:22:01Bagderthat's a good idea imo
14:25:03freshmakerok, i'm back. anything new in the scrollbar dual option / tri option discussion?
14:28:27LinusNno, most people so far think that two options is good
14:28:40Bagderso let's do that first
14:28:50Bagderand face the criticism on the list later ;-)
14:29:04Bagderwe do rubbish
14:29:16LinusNrubbish are us
14:29:29LinusNall your rubbish are belong to us
14:29:31Bagdertoys n' rubbish are us
14:30:20b0bTHC2 is good 3 too but 2 is sufficient
14:31:24LinusNb0bTHC: well said
14:31:55Zagori agree
14:32:22LinusNso who applies it?
14:32:42Zagori'm going out a few hours, so you fight about it :-)
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14:39:39freshmakerwhat is the upper limit for the code size of the firmware?
14:40:12LinusNabout 200Kb i guess
14:40:26LinusNthe limit is really the Archos loader
14:42:05freshmakercrap. i have code for a softmodem (~450k). i thought since we couldn't send unencoded data through SP/DIF ... ;-)
14:45:12b0bTHCa lot of thing can be done with this amazing device ;)
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14:49:48b0bTHCu think it possible to make Vmanager with 80Kb ?
14:50:03b0bTHCVmanager :
14:57:08Zagorlanghaarrocker: is there any way to simplify wormlet.c? it's currently the second largest code segment
14:57:24b0bTHCi said 80k because the code is actually near 100k and with new other improvement and recording functions ... i think 80k is overestimated....
14:58:12b0bTHC200kb is very small!!!
14:59:01b0bTHCby the way it's always possible to make it as a individual *.ajz file lauch by rolo ....
15:01:10Hadakais the archos loader really a problem? I mean you can let it load a stub and load a 2 megabyte one from the disk yourself?
15:01:55ZagorHadaka: yes. let's hope we don't need that :-)
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15:26:15Hadakadoes require group foo bar require the user to be in either of the groups or both?
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15:40:15elinenbe25 commits!!! WOW!
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16:02:13b0bTHCwhat''s up with "recent cvs activity" ??? on the website?
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16:06:23b0bTHCwhat''s up with "recent cvs activity" ??? on the website
16:06:58b0bTHCok good now
16:07:57freshmakersometimes it's emtpy for me, too. a forced reload fixes it usually
16:08:00LinusNit disappears briefly when it is updated
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16:19:23LinusNyo Bagder2
16:20:17Bagder2I got my TV setup now for divx from my computer
16:21:19Bagder2had to get the latest matrox drivers first though
16:21:29Bagder2and mess with that silly windows OS
16:21:48b0bTHCfor minor change like adding a double quote, i commit instantly?
16:22:03Bagder2I installed the graphics driver, installed the new one and rebooted and had to reinstall my USB-card drivers! ;-O
16:22:27LinusNnaturally :-)
16:22:45b0bTHCmicro$oft silly rulez!
16:23:05quelsarukLinusN: how manny characters fits in the player screen?
16:23:10Bagder2unfortunately the matrox driver for X is not good enough
16:23:51quelsarukand in the recorder?
16:23:59Bagder2depends on the font
16:24:05quelsaruksystem font
16:24:20quelsaruki mean.. the default one
16:25:15Bagder2quelsaruk: count
16:25:38quelsaruki hve a horrible week
16:25:56quelsaruki wish i could sleep for 1 month or maybe a year
16:26:44b0bTHCspanish ppl ca sleep a year ? ;)
16:27:09quelsarukbut i could, maybe i have no problems
16:27:11b0bTHCU make me afraid !
16:27:39LinusNbue guys!
16:27:53Bagder2bye LinusN
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16:33:22Bagder2hi edx
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16:34:26b0bTHCwho finally win the tshirt contest ?
16:35:09Bagder2well, we'd like to keep that a secret until we present the complete design of the official rockbox tshirt
16:35:24Bagder2that's why it takes a little time
16:36:08b0bTHCinfo classified....
16:37:17b0bTHCI'm impatient ... to see it on u in photo !!!
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16:50:44quelsarukarghh spanish translations are to large!
16:51:09quelsaruki can't fit all words in the correct spaces
16:51:35b0bTHCit's very hard for specially for player id ...
16:51:35Bagder2well, most lines can scroll so its not always a very big deal
16:52:18b0bTHCs/very hard/hard ;)
16:52:29quelsarukthe worst part is wormlet game
16:52:49quelsarukjust 7 characters for "growing"
16:52:56quelsarukin spanish is "creciendo"
16:53:07quelsaruki must zip it
16:53:12quelsarukor something like that
16:54:13quelsarukBagder2: we left 2 lines that can be deleted
16:54:23quelsarukthe LANG_BACKLIGHT_ON id
16:54:34quelsarukwe just have id and desc
16:54:59Bagder2I think I'll write me a script that checks that all ids are used
16:55:01quelsarukand.. it's not used anywhere, i used LANG_ON instead of that id
16:55:21quelsarukall are used.. except that one
16:55:50quelsaruki made the .lang file in "real-time", changing each string with an id
16:57:46quelsaruki think me sould write at the begining of english.lang how manny characters does the player accept without scrolling and the recorder using the default font
16:58:32Bagder2I don't
16:58:53Bagder21. the lines scroll 2. the default font will not be used on a large amount of recorders
16:59:30quelsaruk"keylock on" scrolls ?
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16:59:51Bagder2ok then, most lines scroll
17:00:13quelsaruki was thinking in those kind of lines
17:00:25quelsarukof course lines in a menu scroll
17:01:42quelsarukbut as allways.. as you wish (please don't kill me!! :)
17:02:41Bagder2well, the info is of course useful
17:04:33quelsarukmay i include the info then?
17:05:04Bagder2I think it is better put in the "how to translate rockbox" document
17:05:16quelsarukbetter idea
17:05:28quelsarukdoes that document exist ?
17:05:46Bagder2but we should create it
17:05:55quelsaruki don't know why.. but i suspected that answer
17:06:13quelsarukand include it also at the web?
17:06:15edxdo you still need a German translation, btw?
17:06:20Bagder2quelsaruk: yes
17:06:37Bagder2edx: there was one posted just a little while ago
17:06:44edxBagder2: ok then
17:06:59b0bTHCreview comment and correct
17:07:33b0bTHCu are a german peer ;)
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17:10:41quelsarukspanish lang is being reviewed, commented and corrected right now.... but as there are only 2 spanish at rockbox, i have picked up some slaves to work on it :)
17:14:37quelsarukwell, i think it's time to work again in repeat on/off
17:15:46quelsarukbagder, will you delete LANG_BACKLIGHT_ON from english.lang or may i send you a patch for that? :)
17:16:15langhaarrockerquelsaruk: I was thinking about weakening the requirements for wormlet translations. I'm thinking about 'nationalizing' the size of the game field. So if the strings are too large the field simply shrinks.
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17:16:29dwihnoHello ppl!
17:16:33Bagderhey dwihno
17:16:40dwihnolanghaar, thanks for your assistance last night! :) I slept pretty well :)
17:16:43dwihnoHello Bagder
17:17:16langhaarrockernice not to be useles.
17:17:49dwihnoNow I need to solve my 64 bit mingw issue :)
17:17:50quelsaruklanghaarrocker: that could help me... i have to put "hambriento" replacing "hungry" and don't know how!!!
17:19:01langhaarrockerOn the other hand international wormlet contests would become a bit unfair...
17:19:03dwihno"Code-policed font code"
17:19:22dwihnoThe Code Police ruuules :)
17:19:29Bagderthe RCPD
17:19:48dwihno*update CVS*
17:19:48langhaarrockerR like Rockbox?
17:19:54dwihnoC for community?
17:20:04BagderC for code
17:20:10quelsarukthat's right langhaarrocker, i think whe should fit our text in the field
17:20:18Bagder"Rockbox Code Police Department"
17:21:46bobTHCbeware the RCPD !!
17:22:33Bagderand stop writing rubbish! ;-P
17:22:41dwihno*compile a new firmware*
17:24:24bobTHCin witch language? ;)
17:24:47bobTHCenglish ?
17:24:56dwihno../firmware\librockbox.a(font.o)(.data+0x0): undefined reference to `sysfont'
17:24:59quelsarukBagder: is it posible to download a nationalized-firmware form rockbox ?
17:25:01dwihnoa new file perhaps...
17:25:55Bagderquelsaruk: I'm thinking about setting up a "build your own firmware page" on the site for that, but I haven't done anything like it yet
17:26:12BagderI mean, to have the site build a custom firmware on demand
17:26:20hardeepholy red batman
17:27:59dwihnoedx: update the win32 makefiles ;D
17:28:58hardeepuse cygwin and you'll never have to worry about the win32 makefile again! =)
17:29:08dwihnoI'm considering it
17:29:11quelsarukor use linux
17:29:16dwihnoZip it up for me and let me download it, hardeep :)
17:29:24dwihnoquelsaruk: that's a typical nono
17:29:33CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 hours and 16 minutes at the last flood
17:29:33*dwihno requires the evil wintendo gear!
17:29:34Bagdermerwin has a download package somewhere
17:29:38quelsarukdwihno: do you want cygwin?
17:29:47hardeepdwihno: cygwin is something you want to install using the provided installer... it's quite simple to use
17:29:48dwihnoquelsaruk: si, si
17:29:59quelsarukok, wait a few minutes
17:30:08*dwihno is hungry
17:30:11quelsarukand start downloading from my computer
17:30:21dwihnoate a puny salad this lunch
17:30:30quelsarukT3 conection.. i hope it's good enough for u
17:30:52*dwihno gives everybody a great tip of quick'n'easy food: a slice of white loaf bread, some cheese, and some bbq spices and oregano
17:30:57dwihnoand voila - evil kickass yumyum :)
17:31:18dwihnoquelsaruk: muy bien! :D
17:31:40quelsarukyou'll all finish speaking spanish!!
17:31:47Bagderstupid me
17:31:51dwihnois it possible to build the simulator with cygwin btw?
17:31:53quelsarukits a promise!
17:32:43langhaarrockerA language that exceeds the wormlet wordlengths? I'm too lazy for that.
17:34:50bobTHCa french version!!!! ;)
17:36:49dwihnoC'est parfait! :)
17:36:58*dwihno is the lingo quizmaster
17:37:14dwihnoQue pasa? Muy bien! Une hamburgesa con keso, por favor!
17:37:18dwihnoMUY GRANDE! :D
17:37:28Bagderhey, it spells "queso" :-)
17:38:26langhaarrockerYou shouldn't eat people just because the come from Hamburg.
17:38:33quelsarukyea.. it's queso, but i always speak using k... is shorter
17:39:11bobTHCreally international chat hoy !
17:39:33Bagderyeah, if only JFK had went to Hamburg instead of Berlin
17:39:39Bagder"Ich bin ein ..."
17:41:05bobTHCand its macdo who win the cold war !
17:41:44quelsarukmar da bra Bagder? (or something like that)
17:42:56quelsarukmar du bra?
17:43:07quelsaruki can't remember quite well
17:43:11bobTHCpienso que es possible de communicar en una idioma collectiva que puede ser Esperanto
17:43:50quelsarukwao bobTHC What language where you trying to speak?
17:44:18bobTHCCatalan hombre !
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17:44:34*Bagder can feel that friday feeling here
17:44:52dwihnoBagder est une hombre! :D
17:44:54quelsarukcatalan is not a language (as they say, it's a short spanish)
17:45:01bobTHCCastellano !
17:46:06quelsarukPero, buen hombre! acaso quieres hacerme perder los papeles y permitir que el *gran jefe* me regae?
17:46:13quelsarukno more spanish
17:46:19quelsarukjust that
17:47:19bobTHCI think catalan is a Language ! like Occitan or Euskara
17:48:05bobTHCEnd for *el Gran jefe" No te preocuparce ;)
17:48:11quelsarukwell it's a language
17:48:54quelsarukbut we have some "problems" in my country just because some stupids don't believe they are part of the same country
17:48:56bobTHCImagine the log on the Rockbox site !
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17:49:42quelsarukwell, it's friday
17:50:15bobTHCit's not friday wear it's friday chat !
17:50:39bobTHCa little bit of fun in this serious world...
17:52:41quelsarukhas anyone his car out there? they have just stolen one
17:52:56quelsarukyou are not secure even at university
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17:55:18Bagderah, we're green again
17:55:52bobTHCbye all folks ! and good weekend !!!
17:56:06Bagdersee ya bobTHC
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17:56:40Bagderthe builds
17:57:43hardeepquelsaruk: you're working on repeat on/off right? how's it going?
17:58:15quelsarukwell.. it works if you don't skip any song, so, it doesn't work
18:04:10quelsarukhardeep: it's smoke what goes outside your head? :)
18:08:00quelsarukwas just a joke...
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18:15:56quelsarukBagder: i've seen that spanish is a language option if you build yourself rockbox
18:16:16quelsarukbut, there's isn't a espanol.lang file yet
18:16:23Bagderthere is no spanish file
18:16:36Bagderthe configure only display the languages that you have
18:16:52quelsarukthat's why
18:17:01quelsaruki have an spanish file
18:17:08Bagderyou do, so you can use it ;-)
18:17:43Bagderyou tried running it on target with spanish yet?
18:17:55BagderI had mine on swedish over lunch
18:17:56quelsaruknot yet
18:18:27quelsaruki'm testing repeat on/off
18:18:55quelsarukso i'll use english, if there's any problem i'm sure it will be the repeat setting, not spanish translation
18:20:04quelsarukhardeep: you use cygwin?
18:22:15quelsarukdoesn't matter
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18:26:57hardeepquelsaruk: yes, i use cygwin
18:27:39quelsaruktoday i'm on windows
18:28:23quelsarukand i'm trying to use cygwin, so when i run make i have a strange error
18:28:42quelsaruk/cygdrive/c/DOCUME~1/ADMINI~1/CONFIG~1/Temp/cclbeZFn.s:4: Warning: .type pseudo-
18:28:43quelsarukop used outside of .def/.endef ignored.
18:29:18quelsaruki have no idea what on hell does this mean
18:29:35hardeepheh, i haven't a clue either... never seen anything like that before
18:30:16hardeepare you sure you're using the right "make" and "gcc" etc.
18:30:26hardeepie. the ones provided by cygwin
18:30:55quelsarukthe error is mine.. only mine... (like gollum and the ring)
18:31:11quelsarukyea.. and downloaded from rockbox the sh1 cross compiler
18:31:45hardeepbut are you sure those are the ones being used... is your PATH environment variable correct
18:32:17quelsarukseems to be ok, it really doesn't matter
18:32:26quelsaruktomorrow i can work again on linux
18:33:02quelsarukso one more day without testing the repeat setting will not kill anyone
18:33:17quelsarukit was curiosity
18:33:27hardeepstill doesn't hurt to get the win32 compile fixed for the next time you are forced to use it. :)
18:33:41hardeepwhat's compiling when you see the error?
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18:35:53quelsaruksh-elf-gcc -W -Wall -O -m1 -nostdlib -ffreestanding -Wstrict-prototypes -Iinclud
18:35:53quelsaruke -I. -Icommon -Idrivers -DARCHOS_RECORDER -DDISABLE_NOTHING -fomit-frame-pointe
18:35:53quelsarukr -fschedule-insns -c drivers/adc.c -o /home/Administrador/rockbox/drivers/adc.
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18:36:21quelsarukthis was the last *normal* message i got
18:36:43quelsarukafter this.. a lot of errors like the one i pasted
18:36:52quelsaruki must go
18:36:54quelsaruksee you later
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18:59:00dwihnodamn cygwin
18:59:02dwihnoit bugs out on me
18:59:10dwihnoso now I'm getting the entire folder of cygwin stuff ;)
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19:15:02PhantomHi !
19:15:07Phantoman idea :
19:15:55Phantomadd two or three "blanks" parts in "credits.c" to allow translator ad their name...
19:18:26Phantomas a thanks for there work they should be in credit...
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20:13:40dwihnoGreetings Zagor!
20:15:05dwihnoI greet thee, master of Code Writing! :D
20:15:55TotMachermy german translation
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20:17:03CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 minute and 9 seconds at the last flood
20:17:03*Zagor bows humbly
20:20:19*dwihno is gonna build a cross compiler on his shell
20:21:30*dwihno does NOT like cygwin ;)
20:21:34*dwihno likes gnush
20:22:52*dwihno thinks the three musketeers rule!
20:24:41dwihnoZagoramis, Linuhos and Porthger
20:25:43m5jazhello, Can anyone tell me where I find the PIC code for remoclone?
20:29:14Zagorm5jaz: in the mailing list archive. way back, like march or something.
20:30:01Zagori should probably put it on the "hardware mods" page
20:31:15m5jazthat would be great! thanks... I will look again.
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21:05:33PhantomHI !
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21:15:51quel|outsee you!
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21:47:08dwihnoZagor: "and left the funny N as it was" :) Yay! My font is still (a bit) intact! :)
21:47:34Zagoryup. i'm not sure I like the new rounded E and F, though
21:48:13dwihnoIf you are the Code Police (tm), maybe I should become your sidekick, FontDude ;)
21:48:59dwihnocan you publish your ajz?
21:49:22dwihno(it won't build)
21:49:37Zagorgrab a bleeding edge build. i have nothing special in mine.
21:49:57dwihnoYour builds are Code Police certified! :)
21:50:44*dwihno tries to find the bleeding edge builds page on the rockbox site
21:51:19Zagorthe bottom of the daily build page
21:51:31dwihnoyou're supposed to tell the t-shirt winner :)
21:54:27dwihnoplease tell me! :)
21:56:10Zagorhehe. my lips are sealed... :-)
21:56:59dwihnoFOR HEAVENS SAKE!
21:57:14dwihnoBagder told me last night the winner was to be announced today!
21:57:27dwihnoCome on Zagor
22:00:11dwihnoYou zag zag zag0r! :)
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23:13:08werty1stive just downloaded the daily build
23:13:36werty1stbut i couldnt find a way to turn of the repeat funktion
23:13:48LinusNthere is no way, yet
23:14:19werty1stso if i fall asleep i always wake up with an empty battery
23:14:55LinusNyou will do that regardless
23:15:02LinusNwe have no auto-shutdown either
23:16:01werty1stdont u know the commands how to shut down the jukebox
23:17:02werty1stbut any way i like the software very much great work
23:18:08werty1sti first used the software because the original software always had this quite background noise
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23:35:33Phantomdjphi all
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23:46:20Phantomdjpis there somebody?
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