| 00:01:10 | freshmaker | one may want to have a scroll speed of 8 and a step size of 6 (like normal charcell scrolling) in order to save resources |
| 00:02:18 | freshmaker | btw. "save resources", do we spin when idle or calling 'halt' or something? |
| 00:02:42 | Zagor | we are never idle |
| 00:02:59 | Zagor | the kernel always schedules the next thread |
| 00:03:05 | Zagor | that will change, though |
| 00:04:04 | freshmaker | does sh1 support halting for power saving? |
| 00:04:25 | Zagor | sort of. there are a few low power modes. |
| 00:05:11 | freshmaker | jots! another item on the wish list ;-) |
| 00:05:58 | Zagor | hehe, yeah. we just need to fix the kernel to be a bit more aware of what's going on, so it can skip scheduling threads that are sleeping or waiting for mutexes or queues |
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| 00:06:23 | Zagor | then we might be able to save another ~15-20 mA |
| 00:07:35 | YeAhx | hello |
| 00:07:58 | Zagor | hi |
| 00:08:16 | YeAhx | im having trouble figuring something out |
| 00:08:56 | YeAhx | is there a way to set the player to not repeat? |
| 00:08:58 | freshmaker | 15-20 mA? that may be about an hour! |
| 00:09:08 | Zagor | yup |
| 00:09:16 | Zagor | YeAhx: no, not yet |
| 00:09:21 | YeAhx | cause I couldnt find an option in the settings |
| 00:09:48 | YeAhx | damn |
| 00:10:12 | YeAhx | ok I didnt think so, just checking |
| 00:10:25 | YeAhx | guess I should have it pluged in when I lay down with it then |
| 00:10:25 | Zagor | YeAhx: we hope to fix that soon |
| 00:14:01 | YeAhx | thats cool, its not a big deal |
| 00:14:02 | YeAhx | I thought this morning that my player was off because the folder finished playing and it shut off after being idle, but I guess it just not |
| 00:17:31 | Zagor | freshmaker: the scrollbar is not visible in sound settings, but it should. can you see why? |
| 00:17:58 | freshmaker | moment, let me see... |
| 00:18:05 | YeAhx | ooh a scrollbar |
| 00:18:42 | YeAhx | is that in the latest cvs build? |
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| 00:18:53 | Zagor | YeAhx: only on recorder |
| 00:21:16 | freshmaker | hmm, i have a scrollbar in sound settings −− with both fonts atadore and clR6x8. but this build was pre split of lcd.c |
| 00:21:34 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:22:26 | YeAhx | I'll find out |
| 00:23:29 | freshmaker | hmm, i'll build from latest cvs and check. but i'll have to reboot. will never mess with BSD's usb stack again. promise. :-) |
| 00:23:40 | Zagor | :) |
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| 00:23:47 | * | freshmaker is rebooting his machine. again. |
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| 00:33:47 | freshmaker | Zagor: Hmm, I can't reproduce the problem |
| 00:34:22 | Zagor | strange |
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| 00:34:50 | freshmaker | which font did you use when it happened? |
| 00:34:59 | Zagor | compiled-in |
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| 00:37:05 | Zagor | Guy #1: I hear if you play the NT 4.0 CD backwards, you get a Satanic message. |
| 00:37:13 | Zagor | Guy #2: That's nothing. If you play it forward, it installs NT 4.0. |
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| 00:38:05 | Zagor | it's a joke. laugh. :-) |
| 00:38:15 | freshmaker | hmm, this is a fresh cvs build. no local patches applied. i'm starting it with rolo. tried both versions with and w/o games+demos. no problem. |
| 00:38:36 | freshmaker | yahaha, just finishing that long line |
| 00:40:04 | Zagor | odd. i'll look at it again tomorrow. i'll check in the scroll code with just step size setting, tweak on it more if you feel like it. i need some quality bed time! :) |
| 00:40:31 | langhaarrocker | Is there a chance for the peak meter to get in V1.4? |
| 00:41:14 | freshmaker | Zagor: Then good night. Or good what-ever-you-will-do ;-) |
| 00:41:35 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: i don't think so. i'm still undecided about it. |
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| 00:42:20 | langhaarrocker | ok |
| 00:43:40 | freshmaker | maybe a web page with patches that won't get committed due to policy? |
| 00:46:10 | langhaarrocker | If they're useful patches why not change them so that they meet the need of code police. Otherwise we don't need them. |
| 00:46:19 | Zagor | not many patches are so clearly policy-breaching. it's just some who like to walk on the edge :-) |
| 00:46:39 | Zagor | i'm going to bed. see you in the morning (for me). |
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| 00:47:44 | freshmaker | i can imagine features, that only targets a few people. too few to get into the mainstream version, but still useful for those who need them |
| 00:49:32 | langhaarrocker | Yes, I can think of one: serial data transfer with digital cameras. But I think that things like that still should be in the main cvs tree but must be enabled specificially at compile time. |
| 00:49:43 | langhaarrocker | Just like it is with games / demos right now. |
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| 00:51:13 | freshmaker | hmm, some things just mess up the code. |
| 00:52:22 | langhaarrocker | Maybe you're right. But I still believe that it is not necessary to have things messing up the code. They could be changed not to mess up the code. |
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| 00:56:26 | freshmaker | of course. but what if nobody wants to do the work? but i agree, what ever fits should be committed |
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| 01:01:23 | langhaarrocker | Well someone wrote the code. If he wants to get it into rockbox he'll have to make sure he meets a few rules. I learned a lot just by obeying the rules here on rockbox. |
| 01:06:23 | freshmaker | yeah, but also one may write a patch because he needs this or that, but simply doesn't care about a commitment. |
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| 01:09:06 | langhaarrocker | Yes, that might happen. But I see difficulties with collecting patches like that. As rockbox grows things will change and then we'd have lots of patches bumping around somewhere that only work on some old versions of rockbox. I consider that confusing. If the feature is not trash it must be maintained. That is only possible with reasonable effort when the patch goes into cvs. |
| 01:10:52 | langhaarrocker | gonna get me a nap. |
| 01:10:55 | langhaarrocker | cu. |
| 01:10:59 | freshmaker | cu. |
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| 05:33:55 | heltrskeltr349 | question: how do I use the custom fnt fonts? |
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| 06:01:29 | mecraw | adi? |
| 06:31:56 | adi|home | yeah? |
| 06:32:46 | mecraw12 | I just wanted to commend you on your restraint. |
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| 06:37:08 | dw|gone | T-shirt contest −−> Winner: The winner will be announce really soon. |
| 06:37:22 | dw|gone | Wasn't it supposed to be annouced last thursday? ;) |
| 06:37:48 | mecraw12 | details details |
| 06:38:04 | mecraw12 | wasn't 1.4 supposed to have FAT write :) |
| 06:38:19 | dw|gone | details details ;) |
| 06:38:34 | adi|home | hehehe restraint on the FAQ email :) |
| 06:38:58 | mecraw12 | adi|home: exactly |
| 06:39:13 | * | adi|home thinks he needed a bit more bite.. but thats okay :) |
| 06:40:57 | dw|gone | mecraw12: as opposite to the FAT writing code, the winner has already been chosen :) |
| 06:41:28 | mecraw12 | Why are Swedes so secretive? :) |
| 06:43:41 | dw|gone | because we still are the ABBA champions? |
| 06:45:00 | mecraw12 | I'd keep that secret too :D |
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| 07:24:11 | mecraw12 | morning, LinusN |
| 07:24:19 | Mode | "#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 07:24:25 | LinusN | morning |
| 07:25:03 | LinusN | mecraw12: split personalities? |
| 07:26:40 | mecraw12 | yep |
| 07:26:50 | mecraw12 | home and laptop |
| 07:27:52 | LinusN | hehe |
| 07:28:33 | mecraw12 | i can't do irc from work, i get rockbox deprived during the day :( |
| 07:28:44 | LinusN | poor you |
| 07:28:49 | LinusN | firewall? |
| 07:28:56 | LinusN | or just no time? |
| 07:29:27 | mecraw12 | firewall |
| 07:29:53 | mecraw12 | i need to setup a bouncer at home once i figure out how to access my machine from the outside |
| 07:30:33 | LinusN | do you have HTTP access? |
| 07:30:40 | mecraw12 | yep |
| 07:30:47 | LinusN | or rather HTTPS |
| 07:30:51 | mecraw12 | yep |
| 07:31:11 | LinusN | so the problem is reaching your home machine from outside? |
| 07:31:37 | mecraw12 | yep |
| 07:31:38 | LinusN | you can set up an HTTPS tunnel through the firewall |
| 07:33:20 | mecraw12 | i have dsl through msn right now and the modem they gave me has its own firewall |
| 07:33:55 | mecraw12 | i found a document on the web written by our very own merwin on how to configure, but his directions aren't working for me :( |
| 07:34:03 | LinusN | aha |
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| 07:56:10 | mecraw | LinusN: why do we want to remove the button_set_repeat/release() mask functions and add them as a parameter to button_get()? |
| 07:57:09 | LinusN | because Bjorn doesn't like it |
| 07:57:41 | LinusN | the problem is that all functions has to set and reset the masks all the time |
| 07:57:48 | mecraw | but he just spent a lot of effort pulling the font argument out of the lcd string functions |
| 07:57:56 | LinusN | a kind of a "hidden" state in the button driver |
| 07:58:00 | mecraw | it seems inconsistent |
| 07:58:05 | LinusN | i think so too |
| 07:58:29 | LinusN | we have had many long talks about that |
| 07:59:43 | mecraw | ok, i was just curious |
| 07:59:51 | mecraw | time for sleep, good night |
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| 08:00:24 | LinusN | night |
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| 08:13:39 | Mighty | hello |
| 08:13:43 | LinusN | hi |
| 08:14:00 | Mighty | what is it the 'simulator' in the rockbox cvs simualte? |
| 08:15:24 | LinusN | the user interface and most parts of the firmware API's |
| 08:15:40 | LinusN | for application development without the hardware |
| 08:16:07 | Mighty | ahh, nice |
| 08:16:25 | Mighty | that must ease up development quite a bit |
| 08:16:49 | LinusN | it sure does, and it was very helpful before we had all the drivers working |
| 08:17:21 | LinusN | we could create the GUI parts before we could run them on the hardware |
| 08:17:45 | Mighty | one has to compile the rom for x86 target to run it in the simulator ? |
| 08:18:28 | LinusN | sort of, you just compile the firmware/application code in the simulator "mode" |
| 08:18:52 | LinusN | with your x86 compiler, Visual C for Windows and gcc on Linux |
| 08:19:16 | Mighty | impressive |
| 08:19:34 | LinusN | you get an executable that opens a window with the rockbox display |
| 08:19:40 | LinusN | and off you go |
| 08:20:02 | LinusN | no accurate MP3 playback, but the UI parts are almost identical |
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| 08:20:08 | LinusN | i rwood |
| 08:20:09 | LinusN | hi |
| 08:20:20 | rwood | evening |
| 08:20:23 | LinusN | :-) |
| 08:20:27 | LinusN | morning |
| 08:20:43 | rwood | half a world away - amazing concept |
| 08:20:48 | * | LinusN gets some coffee |
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| 08:21:05 | Mighty | i've been thinking from time to time about trying to contribute to the project but I've not been able to figure out something funny to add ... |
| 08:22:01 | Mighty | but this simulator appears to be a great thing,, I really have to set up an sh1 compiler this morning.. and start testing things :-) |
| 08:22:26 | rwood | Zagor: i have been doing some testing, the blank screen isn't just a function of read errors - it appears that if the mp3 bufffer goes empty, the blank screen occurs |
| 08:23:06 | Zagor | rwood: yes, if the id3 data is empty. but when does that happen? |
| 08:24:04 | LinusN | Mighty: you dont need an SH1 compiler if you only are simulating |
| 08:24:58 | rwood | Zagor: in some high vibration situation when the read gets held off long enough for the buffer to empty? |
| 08:25:33 | Zagor | rwood: yeah, maybe. |
| 08:25:45 | LinusN | like in a motocycle tank bag... :-) |
| 08:25:55 | Zagor | rwood: did you have a patch for read retry? |
| 08:26:43 | LinusN | Zagor: jheiner added the backlight_time(4) in tree.c, something about backlight not timing out in USB mode |
| 08:26:54 | rwood | Zagor: i was in the process of testing - i shock the hell out of my player trying to get a "real" disk error |
| 08:27:34 | rwood | Zagor: it would delay - then read - the drive must be doing some retries its self - that's what led me to look at the buffer going empty |
| 08:27:44 | Zagor | ah |
| 08:28:55 | rwood | Zagor: i patch debug to set a flag if the flag is set i delay 2 min in read_sectors. when the buffer goes empty, the display stops, when the read completes, the display goes blank |
| 08:29:07 | LinusN | the mpeg thread stops the DMA when the buffer goes empty |
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| 08:29:13 | LinusN | yo Bagder |
| 08:29:16 | Bagder | morning |
| 08:29:42 | LinusN | maybe it should just leave the DMA on |
| 08:30:05 | LinusN | it must still be "kick-started" again when data arrives |
| 08:30:20 | rwood | it seems that the firmware should be able to recover from that situation |
| 08:31:07 | Zagor | LinusN: after a completed buffer-fill, restart dma if stopped? |
| 08:32:45 | Zagor | gotta go |
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| 08:35:15 | LinusN | rwood: the mpeg code also signals a track change when the buffer goes empty |
| 08:35:30 | LinusN | that probably explains the empty screen |
| 08:35:46 | LinusN | tricky stuff... |
| 08:36:01 | rwood | and why it takes a key stroke to get it started again |
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| 08:36:17 | LinusN | today there is no good way of telling when the last song has stopped playing |
| 08:36:52 | LinusN | we could insert a dummy ID3 tag info in the mpeg id3 queue... |
| 08:37:41 | LinusN | just to have a track_offset |
| 08:39:42 | rwood | signaling the track change on buffer empty doesn't seem quite right - are error codes from read_sectors being checked or is it assumed the buffer empty is the result of an unrecoverable error? |
| 08:39:45 | Mighty | how did you figure out how to descramble the rom ? that must have been a lot of work? |
| 08:40:19 | LinusN | Mighty: yes, quite some cryptanalysis work |
| 08:40:38 | LinusN | rwood: it is the DMA interrupt that signals the track change |
| 08:40:43 | rwood | and the key to the whole project |
| 08:41:20 | LinusN | the buffer running empty is assumed to be the result of having played all data, i.e the last song |
| 08:41:34 | Mighty | I was amazed, didn't think someone would figure out how to do it.. |
| 08:42:00 | LinusN | Mighty: much of the cleartext is known, since it is bound by the architecture |
| 08:42:28 | LinusN | the interrupt vectors, the address range, the opcodes |
| 08:43:16 | LinusN | the DMA IRQ does not know about read errors in the mpeg thread |
| 08:43:29 | Mighty | quite sad archos spend that much time on making their products more closed... they could have used that time fixing bugs.. |
| 08:44:21 | rwood | LinusN: is there a way to for mpeg to check if there is a read pending/executing? |
| 08:44:38 | Bagder | Mighty: indeed, they don't gain much by being so secretive |
| 08:45:19 | rwood | LinusN: or are DMA and mpeg somewhat independent? |
| 08:45:46 | LinusN | rwood: actually, there is a "filling" flag to check... |
| 08:46:18 | rwood | LinusN: don't signal if filling? - then how to kickstart? |
| 08:47:49 | bobTHC | good morning! |
| 08:48:04 | LinusN | Mighty: it is very common to scramble ROM contents in the consumer product world |
| 08:48:10 | LinusN | bobTHC: hi! |
| 08:48:17 | Bagder | morning bobTHC |
| 08:48:39 | LinusN | rwood: the DMA IRQ has to set a flag telling that dma is off |
| 08:48:51 | LinusN | i think there already is one, iirc |
| 08:49:23 | LinusN | so all that needs to be done is to call start_dma() after the swapping is done |
| 08:50:24 | rwood | LinusN: i think that it takes this fix plus read retry to really cure the problem that people have reported |
| 08:50:41 | LinusN | maybe with the help of the play_pending flag |
| 08:52:37 | rwood | LinusN: i'm in over my head looking at your application code - i'll try to help by continuing to nibble around the edges of the system stuff |
| 08:53:38 | LinusN | you mean you don't want to write application code? |
| 08:54:24 | rwood | LinusN: i write emulators and diagnostics - old fashion bit slice stuff mostly |
| 08:54:54 | LinusN | me too |
| 08:55:14 | LinusN | or rather, i write mostly low-level stuff |
| 08:55:15 | rwood | LinusN: i am a rude novice at C - i'm much more at home in assembly |
| 08:56:04 | LinusN | not that much assembly programming nowadays, but a whole lot of assembly code reading |
| 08:57:46 | Bagder | we should rewrite rockbox into assembler to keep the magic level up ;-) |
| 08:58:01 | LinusN | indeed |
| 08:58:24 | rwood | LinusN: i've looked at the code in the archos disk driver, they have a much tighter loop for reading - i wish the code police would allow some assembly where it would have a real impact on performance |
| 08:58:27 | Bagder | I mean, we do rubbish, don't we? <g> |
| 08:59:53 | rwood | LinusN:i'm approaching retirement, so i don't have to learn too many new tricks |
| 08:59:57 | LinusN | rwood, feel free to optimize and benchmark |
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| 09:01:13 | LinusN | the code police allows assembly code if it pays off |
| 09:02:05 | rwood | LinusN: speeding up disk transfers would reduce the time that the drive has to spin - how much is the question - i'll take a look at it |
| 09:04:00 | rwood | LinusN: is there any documentation on the format for in-line assembly, i haven't been able to find it |
| 09:05:56 | LinusN | rwood: the documentation on inline assembly is really sparse |
| 09:06:19 | LinusN | you can find it in google |
| 09:06:57 | Bagder | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Assembly-HOWTO/gcc.html |
| 09:07:04 | LinusN | rwood: the question is how much faster the disk transfer will be |
| 09:07:19 | Bagder | it basicly says, check the linux kernel for good examples ;-) |
| 09:07:35 | LinusN | and the GCC internals, for the constraints |
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| 09:08:15 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 09:08:46 | quelsaruk | Bagder: is there any possibility to disable remote control on the recorder? |
| 09:08:46 | Bagder | morning quelsaruk |
| 09:08:58 | Bagder | why do you wanna disable it? |
| 09:09:07 | quelsaruk | i must have some kind of problem on line out |
| 09:09:51 | quelsaruk | and when i move my recorder and touch it, the recorder power off or stops playing... |
| 09:09:52 | rwood | LinusN: the loop gets executed once for every two bytes - taking 2-4 instructions out of the loop might be significant |
| 09:10:45 | quelsaruk | so if i don't have a remote control i might want to disable it |
| 09:10:47 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 09:11:05 | bobTHC | long time ago who talk about a homemade IR Remote control, someone work on it ? |
| 09:11:22 | bobTHC | s/who/we |
| 09:13:26 | LinusN | rwood: depending on how many instructions there were in the first place :-) |
| 09:14:55 | rwood | LinusN; i looked at archos and rockbox, if i remember correctly, archos has 20-25% fewer instructions in the loop |
| 09:15:16 | quelsaruk | Bagder? |
| 09:15:19 | rwood | LinusN: i don't remember the numbers - just the impression at the time |
| 09:15:40 | Bagder | quelsaruk: no, we don't have any current means to disable it |
| 09:15:55 | bobTHC | some reciever already exist and can be adapt to the rockbox... plug on "ear" like http://people.a2000.nl/rwvgesse/FixFrame.htm?pic_atmel.htm |
| 09:16:54 | quelsaruk | ok |
| 09:16:57 | quelsaruk | well i mnust go |
| 09:17:00 | quelsaruk | see you later |
| 09:17:34 | rwood | night all - looks like 1.4 will be a real KICKASS release |
| 09:17:41 | Bagder | night rwood |
| 09:17:46 | bobTHC | night |
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| 09:24:36 | bobTHC | it's too early to talk about remote... |
| 09:24:39 | bobTHC | :) |
| 09:33:55 | Schnueff | moin |
| 09:34:42 | | Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@uranus.contactor.se) |
| 09:47:17 | Schnueff | moin Zagor |
| 09:55:27 | Zagor | hi ho |
| 09:56:15 | | Join TotMacher [0] (tot@ip67.rsidus.riege.de) |
| 09:56:34 | bobTHC | hi |
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| 09:58:41 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: You didn't sleep really long did you? |
| 09:59:15 | Zagor | hehe, well i got a good 7 hours |
| 09:59:47 | langhaarrocker | We wouldn't allow you more anyways... :9 |
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| 10:00:13 | Bagder | nah, we don't want him to go soft ;) |
| 10:01:12 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: Now that it's autumn - would you allow him a t-shirt? |
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| 10:02:04 | Bagder | soon, when we get subzero degrees he might get one B) |
| 10:02:28 | * | Zagor shivers silently |
| 10:02:49 | langhaarrocker | feature freeze? |
| 10:07:49 | Schnueff | Zagor: about the stkov from yesterday, it happens with the default WPS but not with another custom WPS i tried |
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| 10:08:09 | mbr | Hi there! |
| 10:08:09 | Schnueff | wb mbr |
| 10:08:16 | Zagor | ok. we should bully Linus into repeating it with his gdb recorder |
| 10:10:06 | * | LinusN hides |
| 10:10:50 | LinusN | the stkov message is probably not a "real" stack overflow, but a static buffer overflow |
| 10:10:59 | LinusN | the scroll stack is overwritten |
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| 10:11:18 | LinusN | look in the map file to see what buffers are before the scroll stack in memory |
| 10:11:26 | LinusN | probably the font buffer |
| 10:11:27 | Schnueff | where to find? |
| 10:11:32 | Schnueff | debug menu? |
| 10:11:33 | LinusN | archos.map |
| 10:12:45 | Schnueff | whats the name of it? |
| 10:12:55 | Schnueff | the stack |
| 10:13:35 | LinusN | scroll_stack, i guess |
| 10:13:47 | Schnueff | hm |
| 10:13:48 | Schnueff | w8 |
| 10:14:16 | LinusN | damn, it's static |
| 10:14:25 | Schnueff | yes |
| 10:14:40 | LinusN | declare it global and recompile |
| 10:14:53 | Schnueff | will it be in the same position then? |
| 10:15:33 | LinusN | probably |
| 10:17:12 | Schnueff | two occurences of scroll_stack in archos.map thn |
| 10:17:13 | Schnueff | then |
| 10:17:44 | Mighty | yeah! I've built my own sh1 compiler ;-) |
| 10:17:53 | Schnueff | grats |
| 10:19:15 | langhaarrocker | Will there be a feature freeze for V1.4 before the weekend? |
| 10:19:26 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:21:14 | Zagor | yay, turkish! |
| 10:21:21 | | Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|away (~bjst@uranus.contactor.se) |
| 10:23:57 | langhaarrocker | If I post the perfect peak meter code before dawn - might it be considered for 1.4? |
| 10:25:19 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: only if you pay us a truckload of money :-) |
| 10:25:22 | Mighty | it's quite sad they didn't use the large lcd display on the old archos players... |
| 10:25:34 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: i need it to handle ADC peaks too |
| 10:25:46 | langhaarrocker | what for? |
| 10:25:50 | Mighty | one feels quite limited when one just have that elder small display.. and it feels dumb to pay that much money just to get the new one/recorder |
| 10:26:14 | LinusN | Mighty: you don't get just a larger display |
| 10:26:36 | LinusN | you get much better sound quality, and recording |
| 10:26:43 | LinusN | and USB2.0 |
| 10:26:56 | Mighty | hmm, that's nice |
| 10:27:06 | LinusN | i have both |
| 10:27:06 | Mighty | but it's a lot of money :-) |
| 10:27:09 | LinusN | indeed |
| 10:27:21 | Mighty | what's the soundquality improvements ? |
| 10:28:05 | Mighty | it drives with more power ? that's one of the things I've seen may complain about in ajb testreports |
| 10:28:35 | LinusN | better phone amp, better codec with more eq options |
| 10:28:36 | Mighty | the bass doesn't come to its rights even when using larger headphones |
| 10:29:10 | Mighty | gosh, let's stop talking about this.. so I don't buy one... |
| 10:29:15 | Mighty | it'd ruin my economy |
| 10:29:48 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:29:58 | langhaarrocker | As far as I'm concerned: I wouldn't get an extra recorder unless I need to record. |
| 10:30:41 | Mighty | langhaarrocker but if one uses the jb a -lot- that extra soundquality might be quite appreciated |
| 10:31:35 | Mighty | if you write an GameboyROM emu for the recorder,, I'll buy one tomorrow ;-) |
| 10:31:44 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: you _have_ a recorder, don't you? |
| 10:31:48 | Schnueff | gameboy has more pixels |
| 10:31:50 | Schnueff | :) |
| 10:34:54 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: yes - of course I have a recorder! I need recording. |
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| 10:38:31 | LinusN | so then you don't know what it is like to have a Player |
| 10:39:25 | | Part bobTHC |
| 10:40:59 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: I had one for two days because my dealer sent me the wrong unit. |
| 10:42:03 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: does you unit shut down or reboot on auto-poweroff? |
| 10:43:02 | langhaarrocker | I think it reboots but let me have another try. |
| 10:44:18 | langhaarrocker | It does reboot. |
| 10:44:29 | Schnueff | hm, mbr could just repeat the stkov with the current cvs |
| 10:45:14 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: that sucks |
| 10:45:41 | langhaarrocker | But that might be also because I don't have the original hd any more. I upgraded it with a IBM 20GB drive. Since then I don't have to press and hold the on button to start the machine. A simple tip on on is sufficiant. |
| 10:46:17 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: the HD change did that? |
| 10:46:29 | langhaarrocker | I believe so. |
| 10:47:03 | LinusN | my ON button is like that too, but my unit still powers off |
| 10:47:16 | LinusN | i can't see how the HD can affect that |
| 10:48:19 | Mighty | I remember there were a problem with the ajb hd sometimes got locked up some time ago, could that happen today with the later sources and/or anything else that might danger the ajb so one might have to go through pains resetting the hardware ? |
| 10:50:08 | LinusN | it can happen anytime, even with the archos firmware, but it is very very very rare |
| 10:50:22 | Mighty | ok, feels safe to know :-) |
| 10:50:43 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: I thought maybe the IBM drive spins up faster. |
| 10:50:55 | LinusN | we managed to trig it when experimenting with early RB code that didn't set up the HD |
| 10:53:32 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: do you still have the original hd? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:01:15 | LinusN | no |
| 11:02:06 | langhaarrocker | So when did your recorder start to behave like that - starting with just tipping the on button? |
| 11:03:13 | LinusN | can't remember, i think it's always been like that |
| 11:05:11 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: Was the t-shirt contest won by a nice design? |
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| 11:53:24 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: can you try a poweroff test for me?= |
| 11:53:43 | langhaarrocker | yes. For you I'd do almost anything. |
| 11:53:53 | langhaarrocker | well almost. |
| 11:54:32 | langhaarrocker | What do you want me to try? |
| 11:54:59 | LinusN | great. before the call to power_off() in powermngt.c, insert a call to backlight_on() |
| 11:57:00 | LinusN | that may load the VCC a little more, to prevent the unit from starting up again |
| 11:59:24 | * | langhaarrocker is waiting for power off |
| 12:00 |
| 12:01:55 | * | langhaarrocker s darned recorder reboots |
| 12:02:21 | LinusN | damn |
| 12:02:35 | LinusN | did you see the backlight? |
| 12:03:13 | langhaarrocker | I usually have it on all the time. Now I switched it off. Let's see what happens. |
| 12:03:36 | LinusN | so the backlight was on when it rebooted? |
| 12:03:42 | langhaarrocker | yes |
| 12:03:46 | LinusN | ok |
| 12:04:56 | langhaarrocker | As expected: another reboot that turned on the light. After boot finished -> light off. |
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| 12:35:33 | bobTHC | re |
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| 13:23:32 | | Join bobTHC [0] (~bobTHC@AMarseille-206-2-1-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
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| 13:31:07 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_761.html |
| 13:31:37 | langhaarrocker | holy cow! |
| 13:32:11 | Bagder | the cow must be Zagor, I presume ;-) |
| 13:32:34 | Schnueff | holy pig! |
| 13:32:36 | Schnueff | :) |
| 13:32:37 | langhaarrocker | Who are the wearers? |
| 13:32:48 | Bagder | left to right: Zagor, Linus and me |
| 13:33:00 | Schnueff | the stkov comes with many fonts |
| 13:33:30 | Schnueff | and its no related to scrolling, since default wps without %s crashes too |
| 13:33:43 | Schnueff | but default wps without %s and without last line doesnt crash |
| 13:33:54 | | Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (~bjst@uranus.contactor.se) |
| 13:34:23 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_785.html |
| 13:34:25 | * | Bagder grins |
| 13:34:31 | Bagder | Linus made the shirts ;-) |
| 13:34:53 | Bagder | dyslexic Linux I should add |
| 13:34:56 | Bagder | Linus |
| 13:35:00 | * | Bagder can't type either |
| 13:35:01 | langhaarrocker | He kept telling tey were your responsiblity. |
| 13:35:29 | Bagder | btw, this is not the official nor winning tshirt design |
| 13:36:10 | Bagder | here's the full collection of odd pics: http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/ |
| 13:37:24 | bobTHC | rockboxers@ the pub ... ;) |
| 13:38:38 | Bagder | yeps |
| 13:38:47 | langhaarrocker | They're not _all_ rockboxers, are they? |
| 13:38:50 | Bagder | no |
| 13:39:08 | Bagder | only six units were present |
| 13:39:21 | Schnueff | hehe u call urself units :) |
| 13:39:48 | langhaarrocker | Let me guess non of the 6 units was used as music device? :) |
| 13:40:06 | Bagder | correct |
| 13:40:13 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 13:43:22 | langhaarrocker | On my head is more hair than on Zagors, Linus and Bagders together. |
| 13:43:27 | Schnueff | hehe |
| 13:43:32 | Schnueff | thats easy |
| 13:43:52 | Zagor | LinusN: keinehaarrocker |
| 13:44:01 | Zagor | :*) |
| 13:45:02 | Schnueff | aha, wir muessen aufpassen, was wir sagen:) |
| 13:46:14 | LinusN | haha |
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| 13:59:09 | Mighty | hello |
| 13:59:20 | Zagor | hiya |
| 13:59:47 | LinusN | yo |
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| 14:00:13 | Mighty | ftp://suntea.d2g.com/pub/uisim.jpg |
| 14:00:27 | Mighty | I get a quite odd looking effect on the uidisplay |
| 14:00:41 | Mighty | not sure whether something has gone wrong of if I'm missing a fontfile |
| 14:01:00 | Zagor | Mighty: the player sim is like that right now |
| 14:01:15 | Zagor | the new font code made it, um, confused :-) |
| 14:01:20 | Bagder | it needs attention |
| 14:01:30 | Bagder | its a cry for help! ;-) |
| 14:01:36 | Bagder | poor thing |
| 14:01:48 | * | Zagor pats playsim on the head. There there... |
| 14:01:52 | Mighty | ok |
| 14:02:12 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: is playsim hairy? |
| 14:02:18 | Mighty | hmm, odd :-) |
| 14:02:25 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: quite :) |
| 14:03:11 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: If I post perfect peak meter code before dawn - would it be considered for V1.4? |
| 14:03:21 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: yup |
| 14:03:36 | Zagor | i'm afraid to ask what "perfect" means :-) |
| 14:03:52 | langhaarrocker | Eg no threads doing busy read. |
| 14:04:37 | LinusN | how will you solve it then? |
| 14:05:22 | langhaarrocker | Not at all. I decided we don't need to have an accurate peak meter while playing. It just should look nice and smooth and that's about it. |
| 14:05:52 | langhaarrocker | When we get recording it might become a completely other animal. |
| 14:06:17 | Mighty | hmm |
| 14:07:00 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: and that is soon, i'm afraid |
| 14:07:38 | Mighty | Zagor, any clue on how soon the simulator interface will be looking ok again :-) |
| 14:07:49 | Bagder | well, then it would be for recording only anyway |
| 14:08:02 | Bagder | Mighty: as soon as someone fixes it! |
| 14:08:20 | langhaarrocker | recording? Really? |
| 14:08:20 | * | langhaarrocker is jumping up and down in joy</BODY></HTML> |
| 14:08:26 | * | Zagor cleaned up the web site left-menu |
| 14:08:44 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: i recorded my first MP3 frames yesterday |
| 14:09:57 | langhaarrocker | bye bye Archos firmware. |
| 14:13:12 | bobTHC | and welcome kickass rockbox recorder !!!!!! |
| 14:13:40 | langhaarrocker | I neither associate rockbox with ass nor with kicking. |
| 14:13:46 | langhaarrocker | :) |
| 14:14:02 | bobTHC | :) |
| 14:14:09 | Mighty | Zagor don't forget to add info before 1.4rel on how to name/place the different roms so they're found by ROLO |
| 14:14:48 | LinusN | i think i have found a world-record ID3V2 tag!!! |
| 14:14:59 | LinusN | guess how big it is? |
| 14:15:20 | bobTHC | 10k |
| 14:15:28 | LinusN | bigger |
| 14:15:33 | bobTHC | 25k |
| 14:15:33 | langhaarrocker | > 50k? |
| 14:15:52 | LinusN | you're not even close |
| 14:15:57 | langhaarrocker | is an mp3 within the id3 tag? |
| 14:16:18 | langhaarrocker | 1Mb? |
| 14:16:22 | LinusN | not really |
| 14:16:27 | LinusN | 800K |
| 14:16:33 | * | Zagor faints |
| 14:16:39 | LinusN | a huge BMP |
| 14:16:47 | Zagor | uncompressed? |
| 14:16:49 | Bagder | neat |
| 14:16:54 | LinusN | that's the example the "i can't play VBR files" gave me |
| 14:16:56 | Bagder | all mp3s should have tags like that |
| 14:17:25 | langhaarrocker | More V than BR I say. |
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| 14:17:54 | langhaarrocker | didn't he claim that V1.3 played it? |
| 14:18:25 | Bagder | yeah, 780K bmp fed to the MAS ;-) |
| 14:18:46 | Bagder | can it both sound and look good at the same time? :-P |
| 14:19:17 | langhaarrocker | If we encounter bmps in the tag we should display it on the lcd. |
| 14:19:29 | Bagder | sure, send in the code ;-) |
| 14:20:04 | Bagder | the hard part is to resize it |
| 14:20:06 | bobTHC | who make a id3v2 tag with bmp ? |
| 14:20:10 | langhaarrocker | We need a new bitmap tag for the wps |
| 14:20:10 | Bagder | and deal with all the colors ;-) |
| 14:20:46 | langhaarrocker | Concerning colors: wasn't there someone who exchanged the leds? ... |
| 14:21:10 | bobTHC | backlight ? |
| 14:21:43 | langhaarrocker | yes. When we get them flicker - could we than make the lcd full rgb? :) |
| 14:22:48 | Schnueff | maybe if one switches the pixels on/off fast enough one can get greyscale :) |
| 14:22:59 | Mighty | one can transform the ajb recorder into having colordisplay you know |
| 14:23:41 | langhaarrocker | Then we only need to reprogram the MAS and we have the MMJB. |
| 14:23:47 | Bagder | "to view this bmp, please just replace your LCD with a better one and then press ON" |
| 14:23:53 | Mighty | use red/green and blue pens and just make extremly tiny r/g/b dots on the display very carefully above each pixel :-) |
| 14:24:06 | langhaarrocker | ARGH! |
| 14:24:31 | Schnueff | heh |
| 14:25:04 | Schnueff | LinusN: tell me again, what should i look in archos.map for? |
| 14:25:25 | LinusN | what data is positioned before the scroll stack in memory? |
| 14:25:38 | Schnueff | there are two entries for scroll_stack |
| 14:25:51 | Schnueff | i'm not experienced in reading .maps :| |
| 14:25:58 | LinusN | i can see that :-) |
| 14:26:10 | LinusN | can you explain how i can reproduce it? |
| 14:26:15 | Schnueff | the bug |
| 14:26:23 | Schnueff | yes, actually, it happens with a lot of fonts |
| 14:26:46 | Schnueff | turn on your record, switch to, e.g. 6x10.fnt, then play smth |
| 14:26:56 | Schnueff | then you should get Stkov scroll |
| 14:27:10 | LinusN | you have to play? |
| 14:27:18 | Schnueff | yes it happens with the WPS |
| 14:27:24 | Schnueff | should be default WPS, btw |
| 14:27:26 | LinusN | default wps? |
| 14:27:29 | LinusN | ok |
| 14:29:18 | Schnueff | taking out the %s tag in the default WPS crashes too, so, it's probably not connected with scrolling |
| 14:32:02 | Schnueff | got it crashed? |
| 14:33:12 | LinusN | impatient? :-) |
| 14:33:23 | Schnueff | sorry, just curious :) |
| 14:33:45 | * | Schnueff takes a nap :) |
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| 14:36:30 | Zagor | can someone take a bunch of new screenshots? things have changed a lot since 1.2 (which our current screenshots depict) |
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| 14:36:41 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 14:37:17 | LinusN | hi |
| 14:37:43 | langhaarrocker | Hi quetsalcoatl. |
| 14:37:49 | quelsaruk | Zagor: will lang files have an icon? (or do they have it already?) |
| 14:38:08 | quelsaruk | langhaarrocker: your nickname is even stranger than mine :) |
| 14:38:23 | Zagor | quelsaruk: they have already. a little flag. |
| 14:38:29 | quelsaruk | ok |
| 14:38:30 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 14:39:00 | LinusN | Schnueff: ok, i can reproduce it, firing up gdb... |
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| 14:40:24 | * | Schnueff wakes up. |
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| 14:41:35 | Baa6599 | hi there, I am having a problem with the firmware from rockbox on my 20gig recorder |
| 14:41:51 | Baa6599 | is there maybe anyone who can help me out? |
| 14:41:59 | Bagder | what's the prob? |
| 14:42:00 | LinusN | shoot |
| 14:42:13 | * | langhaarrocker takes cover |
| 14:42:26 | * | LinusN puts his helmet on |
| 14:42:33 | * | Bagder buckles up |
| 14:43:13 | Baa6599 | I updated the firmware with yours (very nice features btw) then all the characters from the directories and filenames got scrambled with stuf like ???? |
| 14:43:17 | Baa6599 | then one of your members suggested me to format the hd, did that (with XP) |
| 14:43:34 | LinusN | XP...uh uh... |
| 14:43:50 | Baa6599 | that didn't solve the problem either.., I have put some files and dirs back and now I get an empty dir. |
| 14:44:01 | LinusN | wow |
| 14:44:32 | quelsaruk | Baa6599: just one question did you made secure un-plug before disconecting your jukebox? |
| 14:44:37 | Baa6599 | so.... I would really love to use your software as the one from archos not complete enough |
| 14:44:37 | LinusN | you did remove the archos safely, right? |
| 14:44:52 | Baa6599 | hmm....that honestly I don't know ;-) |
| 14:44:56 | quelsaruk | ummm |
| 14:45:02 | LinusN | the empty dir sure looks like you didn't |
| 14:45:04 | quelsaruk | i had a problem like that once |
| 14:45:30 | Baa6599 | okidoki..gonna test some now then ;-) |
| 14:45:52 | quelsaruk | run scandisk |
| 14:45:57 | quelsaruk | or.. if you have norton |
| 14:46:03 | quelsaruk | run norton disk doctor instead |
| 14:46:20 | quelsaruk | it's better than windows scandisk |
| 14:46:26 | Baa6599 | don't have norton |
| 14:46:31 | Baa6599 | should I run scandisk first? |
| 14:46:35 | quelsaruk | yea |
| 14:46:46 | Baa6599 | okidoki, will do |
| 14:47:02 | quelsaruk | i had to run norton disk doctor to correct TOC |
| 14:47:36 | quelsaruk | nad a lot of errors made by un-pluging the jukebox not correctly. |
| 14:47:43 | quelsaruk | *and |
| 14:48:01 | Baa6599 | btw, are the latest builds any good? I saw some nice features there |
| 14:48:16 | quelsaruk | lunch time, cu later! |
| 14:48:20 | | Nick quelsaruk is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 14:48:51 | Bagder | Baa6599: they're good |
| 14:51:24 | Baa6599 | damn...scandisk takes long |
| 14:51:36 | langhaarrocker | Although the snake games tend to vanishing |
| 14:51:45 | Baa6599 | btw, if I format a hd, normally the errors are gone aren't they? |
| 14:52:21 | Bagder | only duplicate snakes go away ;-) |
| 14:52:23 | langhaarrocker | If there are any errors left you have a serious problem with the hd |
| 14:53:11 | Baa6599 | ;-) I hope not, this is my second recorder now, the first one suddenly decided to crash |
| 14:55:33 | langhaarrocker | Did Archos exchange it without complaining? |
| 14:56:05 | Baa6599 | yep, got a hd failure which I couldn't fix myself, all the data lost..aargghhh |
| 14:56:24 | langhaarrocker | Do you record a log? |
| 14:56:29 | langhaarrocker | a lot? |
| 14:57:24 | Baa6599 | couple of gig |
| 14:59:00 | Baa6599 | btw, does anybody have any experience with the new multimedia player? |
| 14:59:23 | langhaarrocker | I had a lot of trouble with scandisc detecting errors on my hd. Now I move each file I recorded with the archos to the computer and back to the jukebox again. This way I don't get any complaints by scandisc any more. |
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| 15:00:24 | langhaarrocker | Baa6599: Someone claimed that it seems to have a different firmware scramling. |
| 15:00:43 | Bagder | its a totally different beast |
| 15:01:16 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/lang/ |
| 15:02:49 | langhaarrocker | I still am waiting for languages like thai, chineese or something arabic... |
| 15:03:08 | Bagder | yeah, with 1.5MB font graphics ;-) |
| 15:03:24 | Zagor | each glyph is loaded from disk |
| 15:03:31 | Bagder | thai isn't that weird actually |
| 15:03:41 | Bagder | its just an alphabet |
| 15:04:07 | langhaarrocker | Does Archos sell in Thailand? |
| 15:04:48 | Baa6599 | why doesn't archos take over some of your firmware? it seems a lot better then theirs? |
| 15:05:01 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: do you speak thai? |
| 15:05:29 | Bagder | no |
| 15:06:33 | langhaarrocker | Baa6599: I wouldn't be surprised if they did implicitly. Maybe they don't update their firmware any more because there's rockbox to solve all problems in the long run. |
| 15:07:38 | Baa6599 | hehe...for sure ;-) their firmware sucks, I hate to fastforward anytime I boot the player.. |
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| 15:08:42 | bobTHC | i think they dont update stock firmware because they sell new products...like all little vendor without amount of money... |
| 15:09:26 | Bagder | I think they don't update because they see no need to |
| 15:09:42 | Bagder | I don't think rockbox does any difference |
| 15:09:51 | bobTHC | :) it's a question of point of view... |
| 15:10:07 | Bagder | their version is "good enough" |
| 15:10:15 | bobTHC | i'm agree ... |
| 15:10:19 | Baa6599 | btw...no errors with scandisk, I will try to update the firmware and then "undock" |
| 15:10:47 | langhaarrocker | but with 'remove safely'! |
| 15:11:03 | bobTHC | I have problem with remove safely......on win2k |
| 15:11:17 | bobTHC | it doesn't work... |
| 15:11:40 | langhaarrocker | I have to log out and on to make the thing work |
| 15:11:56 | bobTHC | me too... |
| 15:12:54 | Baa6599 | I can't remove it either..aarghh... |
| 15:13:04 | Baa6599 | log out? should I click on OFF on the player? |
| 15:13:09 | langhaarrocker | NO |
| 15:13:20 | bobTHC | shuntting down the comp... |
| 15:13:29 | Baa6599 | oh..hehe..okidoki, try that that |
| 15:13:32 | langhaarrocker | close any applications that might view any files on the jukebox. |
| 15:13:35 | langhaarrocker | That helps |
| 15:13:42 | langhaarrocker | Including Explorers |
| 15:14:02 | Baa6599 | that epled yes ;-) |
| 15:14:45 | Baa6599 | ok....another problem, I just uploaded the latest build, but now the player hangs on the Rockbox start up screen ;-) |
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| 15:15:25 | Bagder | hej matsl |
| 15:15:29 | matsl | hoho |
| 15:15:53 | langhaarrocker | You can always shut off the recorder and reboot it with the usb cable connected. |
| 15:16:04 | matsl | I'm getting `LANG_LANGUAGE_LOADED' undeclared but daily builds work fine. Whats wrong? |
| 15:16:05 | langhaarrocker | Then you can exchange the firmware with whatever you like. |
| 15:16:18 | Baa6599 | okidoki |
| 15:16:37 | Bagder | matsl: you haven't updated the languages? |
| 15:16:51 | matsl | Right! thanx |
| 15:17:48 | Baa6599 | aarrghh...still the same problem with the characters...I'll try the 1.3 version |
| 15:18:03 | matsl | Bagder: I'm not sure. lang is in apps and I update this allways. |
| 15:18:15 | langhaarrocker | I hope you haven't mixed up player / recorder firware? |
| 15:18:33 | Baa6599 | nope...I have the recorder and used that firmware |
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| 15:18:34 | Zagor | Baa6599: could be wrong player version? |
| 15:18:37 | Bagder | matsl: could be a tools update? |
| 15:18:39 | Zagor | ah, ok |
| 15:19:06 | Baa6599 | I have an empty directory |
| 15:19:11 | matsl | Bagder: I update these too always. |
| 15:19:12 | Bagder | Baa6599: so first it hung and then it displayed bad characters? |
| 15:19:34 | langhaarrocker | an empty directory is normal after formatting the had... |
| 15:19:37 | langhaarrocker | hd |
| 15:20:20 | matsl | Bagder: I even rerun configure manually |
| 15:20:58 | Baa6599 | before formating I had bad characters, then formated....empty hd (after I installed some files)...now scandisk done...still empty (just a small arrow) |
| 15:21:01 | Bagder | matsl: so check why the id doesn't end up in the lang.h file, it should be in the english.lang |
| 15:21:21 | Baa6599 | right now I have the 1.3 version instaled |
| 15:21:27 | Bagder | matsl: check that you don't have any bad lang.[ch] files in the apps dir |
| 15:21:29 | langhaarrocker | Baa6599: those files are mp3? |
| 15:21:35 | Baa6599 | yes |
| 15:21:44 | Baa6599 | and one directory with files to test that too |
| 15:21:45 | matsl | Bagder: OK. I just wanted to avoid something obvious. |
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| 15:22:57 | LinusN | can someone explain the new recorder scroll code to me? |
| 15:24:00 | Baa6599 | I understand ;-) |
| 15:24:43 | Bagder | matsl: if there's a lang.h file in apps, that's what happens |
| 15:24:52 | Bagder | and it used to be one |
| 15:26:13 | Baa6599 | wanna hear something funny ;-) If I change some settings in the general settings, I get the scrambled files names back (which aren't playable btw) |
| 15:26:24 | matsl | Bagder: No lang.h i apps. |
| 15:27:00 | Bagder | Baa6599: have you made a partition on your harddisk? |
| 15:27:55 | Baa6599 | nope, just formatted the hd with xp, should I use a different OS to format it? |
| 15:28:18 | langhaarrocker | Shouldn't matter as long as you make it use Fat32 |
| 15:28:20 | Bagder | I dunno, it just sounds as if the saved settings interfer with your filesystem |
| 15:28:58 | Zagor | Baa6599: you should make *very* sure to partition the disk before formatting |
| 15:29:00 | Baa6599 | aarrghh....For Sale: Archos Recorder, hardly used |
| 15:29:01 | Bagder | LinusN: it sure has an odd-looking x*8 in there |
| 15:29:56 | Baa6599 | everything works without problems when I use the archos firmware...so that shouldn't be a problem or? |
| 15:30:21 | Zagor | the 8 is a dummy width, since we use char positions for lcd_putsxy() |
| 15:30:52 | Bagder | so shouldn't it use the width of a letter instead, like A or H or M |
| 15:30:53 | Zagor | it's bad, but we can't make it correct with our current design |
| 15:31:10 | Zagor | yeah, maybe. it would still be wrong sometimes. |
| 15:31:12 | LinusN | i'm investigating the stkov |
| 15:31:22 | Zagor | we should stop using X char coords for recorder |
| 15:31:34 | Schnueff | linus: it happened with old scroll code too |
| 15:34:39 | Baa6599 | btw...how do I partition the hd? |
| 15:34:47 | Baa6599 | don't I just select the hd and then select format? |
| 15:36:57 | LinusN | it's the wps that bugs |
| 15:37:07 | LinusN | it exceeds the frame buffer |
| 15:37:19 | LinusN | when it tries to draw the slidebar |
| 15:37:33 | LinusN | the default wps config uses many lines |
| 15:37:39 | LinusN | load a larger font and boom! |
| 15:37:56 | Bagder | nice hunting Linus |
| 15:38:12 | Schnueff | LinusN: but not with all large fonts |
| 15:38:14 | langhaarrocker | I always wondered wether we should add some range checking to draw_line. |
| 15:38:23 | LinusN | Schnueff: maybe not |
| 15:38:31 | Schnueff | i have a quite large font (3 lines on display only) and it doesnt crash |
| 15:38:57 | Schnueff | but it crashes with 10 pixels high, 9 pixel high, 12 pixel high, 13 pixel high fontds |
| 15:39:23 | LinusN | i think it's when it tries to draw a partial slidebar |
| 15:39:52 | Schnueff | so, no %pm, no crash |
| 15:39:54 | Schnueff | maybe, yes |
| 15:40:03 | LinusN | it doesn't check if there is room for the slidebar |
| 15:40:30 | Schnueff | has that changed the last days? |
| 15:40:39 | Schnueff | since i havent got this problem with 9/21 build |
| 15:41:34 | LinusN | did you have custom wps then? |
| 15:41:44 | Schnueff | no, the same wps |
| 15:41:47 | Schnueff | (default) |
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| 15:42:06 | Schnueff | can try it out again |
| 15:42:22 | langhaarrocker | with the new fonts the scrollbar may have been put lower. |
| 15:42:54 | Schnueff | default.wps, 6x10.fnt, ~ 9/21 21:00 build, no crash |
| 15:43:11 | Bagder | I bet that's just luck |
| 15:43:23 | Schnueff | u mean, sometimes it crashes sometimes not? |
| 15:43:30 | LinusN | actually, only one bit of the scroll stack was altered |
| 15:43:53 | LinusN | i don't know what is before the scroll stack in memory |
| 15:47:12 | Schnueff | with the mentioned build, all fonts which i have on the archos work |
| 15:47:22 | Schnueff | one even got a partially drawn progressmeter (6x9) |
| 15:47:40 | LinusN | pure luck |
| 15:47:47 | Schnueff | heh |
| 15:47:58 | Schnueff | if its luck why is it repeatable in the current build? |
| 15:48:35 | Bagder | because things have moved around to a less lucky situation |
| 15:48:45 | Schnueff | ok |
| 15:48:55 | Bagder | anyway, let's patch this and try it out |
| 15:49:00 | LinusN | the frame buffer is located before scroll_stack in memory |
| 15:49:06 | LinusN | how to fix? |
| 15:49:19 | Schnueff | double frame buffer size temporarily :) |
| 15:49:28 | langhaarrocker | patch draw_line with region checking |
| 15:49:43 | Bagder | slidebar should not be called if it doesn't fit |
| 15:50:20 | LinusN | an wps giy wants to fix it? |
| 15:50:23 | LinusN | guy |
| 15:50:28 | Bagder | I can fix it |
| 15:50:34 | LinusN | thx, i have to go soon |
| 15:51:47 | matsl | Bagder: Seems like svenska.lang is missing some ids but they are added by the build process when building the mod but not the simulators. Whats is the story? |
| 15:51:59 | * | matsl phone rinning |
| 15:52:23 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: I'll be working on wps due to peak meter anyway. |
| 15:52:27 | Bagder | uh, right, they might be doing wrong |
| 15:54:09 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: then please go ahead |
| 15:54:21 | langhaarrocker | aknowledged |
| 15:54:25 | mbr | Should slidebar check it fits on screen? |
| 15:54:33 | langhaarrocker | yes |
| 15:54:39 | Bagder | I guess it should |
| 15:54:48 | mbr | then i'll fix it .. |
| 15:55:20 | Bagder | :-) |
| 15:55:30 | Bagder | anyone else want the ball? |
| 15:55:33 | * | Bagder smiles |
| 15:56:10 | langhaarrocker | Thats double fixing the thing at two places: the slidebar and the wps. |
| 15:56:20 | langhaarrocker | -> no problem |
| 15:56:25 | LinusN | i think fixing the slidebar code may be better |
| 15:56:25 | Schnueff | doppelt haelt besser :) |
| 15:56:26 | * | matsl back |
| 15:56:27 | mbr | now again. where should it be fixed in wps or in widgets? |
| 15:56:39 | matsl | Bagder: how about the lang stuff? |
| 15:56:39 | LinusN | safer, somehow |
| 15:56:53 | Bagder | mbr: I'd like it fixed in the slidebar |
| 15:57:00 | Bagder | the wps fix is less important then |
| 15:57:08 | Bagder | if even necessary |
| 15:57:12 | mbr | Bagder: OK, then i'll do it ... |
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| 15:57:18 | LinusN | mbr: you won! |
| 15:57:29 | Bagder | matsl: I don't think the uisimulator makefile does the same (correct) thing |
| 15:57:37 | LinusN | Zagor: I want file writes! |
| 15:57:49 | Zagor | LinusN: blrrbblr |
| 15:57:55 | langhaarrocker | For recording? |
| 15:58:03 | Mighty | I must be quite dumb but no matter how much I look around I just can't figure out how to add my own sourcefile to the deps of sources in the apps dir |
| 15:58:24 | langhaarrocker | not necessary. Just put it there |
| 15:58:30 | matsl | Bagder: OK. So a little merge of makefiles might do it then. |
| 15:58:37 | Bagder | I think so |
| 15:58:37 | Mighty | I'm doing that, still it doesn't get compiled |
| 15:58:55 | LinusN | the Makefile in uisimulator/ has to be modifieded as well |
| 15:59:05 | Bagder | Mighty: you build for target or sim? |
| 15:59:08 | LinusN | sim |
| 15:59:10 | Mighty | ahh, thanks.. |
| 15:59:12 | Mighty | sim :-) |
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| 16:00:05 | LinusN | gotta run! bye! |
| 16:00:09 | matsl | Bagder: whats the logic with adding ids that aint in the lang-file. shouldn't all ids be in all lang files? |
| 16:00:27 | Baa6599 | damn...I still get the emtpy directory. |
| 16:00:33 | Bagder | matsl: that won't happen, the english one will always tend to have a few more than the others |
| 16:00:53 | Bagder | that's why I do 'uplang' first, then 'genlang' |
| 16:00:57 | matsl | Bagder: True but if build breaks then you'd notice. |
| 16:01:14 | Bagder | yes, and we don't want that |
| 16:01:17 | matsl | things noticed ghet fixed |
| 16:01:24 | Bagder | I doubt it |
| 16:01:31 | matsl | your probably right ;-) |
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| 16:02:48 | matsl | Bagder: I have to eat and do some floorball and if it isn't fixed by then I'll give it a spin. |
| 16:03:36 | Bagder | me fix |
| 16:04:08 | * | matsl plays floorball while bagder works |
| 16:04:29 | langhaarrocker | What's floorball? |
| 16:05:14 | matsl | http://www.floorball.org/ |
| 16:05:39 | matsl | should give you some idea about it |
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| 16:06:47 | langhaarrocker | I thought that this is a sport that should be played by girls with short skirts |
| 16:07:58 | matsl | you learn something every day ... |
| 16:08:25 | Zagor | matsl likes to wear short skirts :) |
| 16:08:27 | | Nick matsl is now known as matsl|cooking (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) |
| 16:08:36 | langhaarrocker | Now I think it's like polo without horses. |
| 16:09:43 | langhaarrocker | Is matsl from scotland? |
| 16:10:32 | Zagor | he doesn't sound that way :) |
| 16:10:52 | Bagder | well, he's fond of python so he must be from some other planet |
| 16:11:03 | elinenbe | field hockey (like floorball) is the national sport of India. Only men play it and it is quite violent and very competitive |
| 16:11:45 | langhaarrocker | When you retire you play golf? |
| 16:11:46 | elinenbe | similar to the rockbox project (quite violent and very competitive) |
| 16:11:55 | langhaarrocker | :) |
| 16:11:58 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 16:12:05 | Bagder | but we do more rubbish of course |
| 16:12:10 | Bagder | :-) |
| 16:12:57 | elinenbe | Bagder: can you force a good read? like it keeps retrying until it reads properly? |
| 16:13:29 | Schnueff | no stkov anymore |
| 16:13:29 | Schnueff | cute |
| 16:13:50 | Zagor | elinenbe: we don't want to try forever. it could be a real hard error. |
| 16:14:08 | Zagor | currently we retry for 5 seconds |
| 16:15:39 | | Nick matsl|cooking is now known as matsl (~matsl@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) |
| 16:15:56 | Bagder | matsl: now update and smile ;-) |
| 16:16:13 | elinenbe | Zagor: that is good. Just when I am skating it gets an error every hour or so. |
| 16:16:28 | elinenbe | Zagor: this was on a build a week ago |
| 16:16:54 | Zagor | elinenbe: i just checked in a new retry fix. it could even work now :-) |
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| 16:17:51 | Zagor | i'm off. see you! |
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| 16:18:22 | matsl | just for the record: Python has nothing to do with wearing skirst unless you are a lumberjack. Which I'm not. |
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| 17:33:53 | bobTHC | see ya l8ter! |
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| 18:05:42 | Jbell73w | I just got the latest CVS Build, and noticed the new font was gone..?? |
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| 18:48:35 | elinenbe | Zagor is in the house. |
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| 19:15:39 | Zagor | "can I add a hebrew font to the list of rockbox fonts?" |
| 19:16:20 | dwihno | "can Zagor re-add the snake game?" |
| 19:16:29 | dwihno | "will the t-shirt winner ever be announced?" |
| 19:16:31 | dwihno | :-) |
| 19:17:04 | Zagor | hehe. we're getting the final design cleaned-up, then it will be announced. |
| 19:17:26 | dwihno | Well, it has only been a week |
| 19:17:32 | dwihno | But what the heck, who's counting ;) |
| 19:17:40 | Zagor | :) |
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| 19:21:26 | Django | Hi There! Just intstalled this irc client. Can anybody out there read this ? |
| 19:22:50 | elinenbe | Django: yes |
| 19:23:20 | Django | Ah! Thanks! |
| 19:24:09 | Django | I see there is currently a lot of work done for fonts. |
| 19:24:38 | Django | Is anybody working on a "queueing" or "dynamic" playlist? |
| 19:26:59 | quel|out | jejejeje |
| 19:27:12 | quel|out | i think i've got repeat on/off |
| 19:27:44 | quel|out | one or two more tests and i'll submit it |
| 19:27:46 | quel|out | :) |
| 19:28:28 | Django | Repeat what? |
| 19:29:16 | elinenbe | quel|out : nice. |
| 19:29:37 | elinenbe | quel|out : does it work with repeate 1/all/off for files and playlists? |
| 19:31:24 | Django | What is the trick to create the /.rockbox dir? Windows Explorer won't do that. |
| 19:32:13 | elinenbe | Django: hit the start menu |
| 19:32:15 | elinenbe | then run |
| 19:32:18 | elinenbe | then type cmd |
| 19:32:30 | elinenbe | then cd X: |
| 19:32:37 | elinenbe | where X is the archos drive |
| 19:32:44 | elinenbe | then type mkdir .rockbox |
| 19:33:10 | Django | Thanks! it worked .. |
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| 20:07:14 | elinenbe | anyone have any sugesstions for running MP2100+ chips in the Tyan 2462? |
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| 20:28:21 | dwihno | hello menthos :) |
| 20:28:25 | dwihno | menthos is the freshmaker, right? :) |
| 20:29:04 | freshmaker | if you wanna get really fresh, there is nothing like the real freshmaker: |
| 20:30:01 | freshmaker | take a fisherman's friend (white packaging) and add one drip pure mint oil. wait 2-3 hours. take it. |
| 20:30:23 | dwihno | :O |
| 20:30:23 | dwihno | :) |
| 20:33:19 | freshmaker | persons with asthma shouldn't try this. ;-) |
| 20:33:42 | dwihno | persons who care about their throats shouldn't either ;) |
| 20:33:53 | freshmaker | what throat? |
| 20:36:05 | dwihno | ;) |
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| 20:41:56 | quel|out | argghhh run out of batteries!! can't test repeat off until tomorrow :( |
| 20:43:22 | quel|out | cu |
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| 21:25:35 | LinusN | elinenbe: USB poweroff/reboot bug fixed |
| 21:26:04 | LinusN | i just can't understand why some units reboot instead of power off |
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| 21:28:33 | LinusN | i disassembled the Archos poweroff function. It looks quite like ours |
| 21:28:43 | okidoki | Hi, I was online this afternoon as well, I have a problem with my 20gig recorder |
| 21:28:51 | LinusN | except for a strange polling of the external power detection |
| 21:28:58 | LinusN | okidoki: shoot |
| 21:29:21 | okidoki | if I instal the rockbox firmware the directory/filenames are unreadable.. |
| 21:29:30 | okidoki | Already tried formating for the second time, doesn't help |
| 21:29:40 | LinusN | really strange |
| 21:29:58 | LinusN | do you have a localized windows? |
| 21:30:21 | LinusN | no error message, just garbled filenames? |
| 21:30:25 | okidoki | a localized windows? what do you mean with that? |
| 21:30:30 | LinusN | non-emglish |
| 21:30:38 | LinusN | non-english |
| 21:30:41 | okidoki | oh...yes...dutch version |
| 21:31:05 | LinusN | hmm, can't really see why that would make any difference... |
| 21:31:18 | LinusN | ok, step by step, what did you do? |
| 21:31:23 | LinusN | 1) format |
| 21:31:32 | LinusN | how is the drive partitioned? |
| 21:31:39 | okidoki | yes...or an empty directory (just a small arrow) or 423???# filenames |
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| 21:32:16 | okidoki | 1 format, 2, upload firmware, 3 upload test mp3's, 4 disconnect ,5, start player |
| 21:32:18 | LinusN | yo Mighty! |
| 21:32:26 | LinusN | how is the drive partitioned? |
| 21:32:29 | okidoki | 1 big partition |
| 21:32:29 | Mighty | LinusN, morning :-) |
| 21:32:32 | okidoki | fat32 |
| 21:32:52 | LinusN | okidoki: 1 big primary partition, or no partition at all? |
| 21:33:05 | LinusN | without partition table |
| 21:33:23 | okidoki | yes..primary.... the recorder works fine with the archos firmware |
| 21:33:46 | LinusN | i guess WinXP formats it without partition table... |
| 21:34:16 | okidoki | yep....that is possible, there is no where I can set that |
| 21:34:20 | LinusN | do you have a program that can read raw disk sectors? |
| 21:34:51 | okidoki | not really no |
| 21:35:05 | LinusN | windows isn't very permitting in that area... |
| 21:35:09 | okidoki | should I format the hd with another OS? |
| 21:35:22 | LinusN | i want to solve this |
| 21:35:41 | LinusN | i'd rather want you to analyze the disk in Linux |
| 21:35:51 | okidoki | heheh..me too ;-) |
| 21:36:05 | okidoki | hm, I don't have access to a linux box, and I don't have much knowledge of linux. |
| 21:36:19 | Mighty | I've been testing your api a little and played around with the functions,, very funny :-) |
| 21:36:29 | LinusN | we've had all kinds of trouble with strange FAT32 partitions |
| 21:36:40 | LinusN | Mighty: glad you like it |
| 21:36:51 | Mighty | very nice you've documented the api too so one knows what mainfunctions there are |
| 21:37:12 | LinusN | Mighty: that doc is very old and not up-to-date |
| 21:37:15 | okidoki | hmmm.... is there anythig I can do with norton works? I have that software, not installed |
| 21:37:22 | elinenbe | LinusN: I had tried exactly what you added to the CVS and it did not fix the reboot issue on my recorder. |
| 21:37:32 | elinenbe | LinusN: I will try the latest CVS however. |
| 21:37:32 | LinusN | i would be glad if you helped us point out the obvious errors |
| 21:37:35 | Mighty | I couldn't figure out how to make the .h included in make's dependency checks tho |
| 21:37:50 | LinusN | elinenbe: i didn't think that would help either |
| 21:38:07 | elinenbe | LinusN: I try anyway |
| 21:38:09 | LinusN | i just thought the poweroff function should do it anyway |
| 21:38:20 | Mighty | LinusN, ahh, you could have used one of those inline-documentation systems that creates an API site automatically |
| 21:38:35 | LinusN | Mighty: we are looking into Doxygen |
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| 21:38:45 | Mighty | LinusN, very nice :-) |
| 21:38:54 | okidoki | linusn: I think it is rather strange the archos firmware works without problems |
| 21:39:15 | Mighty | LinusN, but it's a tuff job for the guys who has to go through and doc-tag everything this far into a project,, timedemanding |
| 21:39:17 | LinusN | not strange, methinks |
| 21:39:20 | Mighty | but it would really be great |
| 21:39:37 | LinusN | Mighty: we add it when we feel like it |
| 21:39:54 | elinenbe | who wants to help me debug this beowulf? |
| 21:40:14 | elinenbe | when I replaced the MP1200+ chips with MP2100 chips the thing desn't boot. |
| 21:40:24 | elinenbe | well, it boots 1 out of 30 times. |
| 21:40:57 | LinusN | how many cpu's? |
| 21:41:13 | elinenbe | dual |
| 21:41:29 | LinusN | how old is the board? |
| 21:41:33 | elinenbe | well the beowulf is dual x 5 of them. |
| 21:41:47 | elinenbe | it is the tyan 2462 |
| 21:41:53 | elinenbe | I flashed the latest bios. |
| 21:41:59 | LinusN | and how old is that model? |
| 21:42:07 | elinenbe | it is SUPPOSED to work with the new chips |
| 21:42:09 | elinenbe | 1 year old |
| 21:42:27 | LinusN | some older boards have inferior PLL chips |
| 21:42:31 | elinenbe | what hell. this makes a 1 day job take forever. |
| 21:42:32 | elinenbe | PLL? |
| 21:42:46 | LinusN | so they don't work with all multipliers |
| 21:43:05 | elinenbe | the 2462 specifically? |
| 21:43:16 | LinusN | i don't know anything about that board |
| 21:43:17 | elinenbe | cd bu |
| 21:43:28 | elinenbe | sorry −− wrong window |
| 21:43:29 | LinusN | i had a PLL problem on an ASUS bard |
| 21:43:45 | elinenbe | well, this is a huge pain. things take forever to get ordered in a company |
| 21:45:38 | LinusN | try setting the multipliers manually to the 1200 setting |
| 21:46:48 | LinusN | okidoki: maybe WinHex can do the job? http://www.sf-soft.de/winhex/index-m.html |
| 21:48:36 | elinenbe | LinusN: there is no setting multiplier −− it automatically does it |
| 21:48:43 | elinenbe | all I can set is the FSB to 200 or 266 |
| 21:48:48 | LinusN | no manual option either? |
| 21:48:49 | elinenbe | LinusN: that fix worked! |
| 21:48:52 | elinenbe | none. |
| 21:49:11 | elinenbe | LinusN: that fix worked! my jukebos shut off −− woohoo! |
| 21:49:31 | LinusN | really? |
| 21:49:34 | elinenbe | yeah! |
| 21:49:48 | LinusN | what did you do different when you did the same thing? |
| 21:50:04 | elinenbe | i had the lines inside the #ifdef recorder |
| 21:50:08 | LinusN | hahaha |
| 21:50:09 | elinenbe | but it should not have mattered. |
| 21:50:13 | LinusN | no |
| 21:50:16 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 21:50:18 | elinenbe | who knows. |
| 21:50:22 | LinusN | weird |
| 21:50:26 | elinenbe | maybe I compiled the wrong thing. |
| 21:50:49 | elinenbe | who knows. |
| 21:51:03 | elinenbe | LinusN: now you can get back to work on recording :) |
| 21:51:08 | LinusN | thx |
| 21:51:23 | LinusN | it's so boring not being able to save the recorded data... |
| 21:51:34 | elinenbe | well, then I can think of something less boring |
| 21:51:53 | elinenbe | queing songs :) |
| 21:51:58 | elinenbe | are you looking for ideas? |
| 21:52:02 | LinusN | that's a nightmare |
| 21:52:28 | LinusN | the queue function is really tricky |
| 21:52:58 | elinenbe | but it will be SO worth it. |
| 21:53:05 | LinusN | yup |
| 21:53:25 | elinenbe | here is an easy one −− an option to fade in/fade out volumes on play and stop. |
| 21:53:30 | elinenbe | maybe pause too. |
| 21:53:37 | LinusN | why? |
| 21:53:46 | elinenbe | it is a nice feature :) |
| 21:53:58 | elinenbe | winamp 2.x for windows has it and it is really nice. |
| 21:54:02 | LinusN | i can see the coolness of a fading sleep feature |
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| 21:54:11 | elinenbe | it is a quick fade. maybe like 1 sec |
| 21:54:32 | LinusN | i'd rather work on mp3gain support |
| 21:54:53 | PsycoXul | yes i'd love a fade to stop/pause |
| 21:55:10 | PsycoXul | i hate abrupt stops in the middle of a song |
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| 21:55:20 | LinusN | is there a feature request for that? |
| 21:55:30 | LinusN | just so we don't forget it |
| 21:55:50 | LinusN | PsycoXul: then don't stop the song :-) |
| 21:56:09 | PsycoXul | well that would be ideal, but it doesn't always work out that way :p |
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| 21:57:37 | LinusN | people are running away |
| 21:57:41 | LinusN | do i smell bad? |
| 21:57:50 | dw|gone | *nods* |
| 21:58:08 | dw|gone | The smell of nobody telling the t-shirt design contest results reeks! ;D |
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| 21:58:34 | LinusN | dw|gone: Bagder is lazy |
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| 22:01:13 | dw|gone | LinusN: The result is already a week overdue! |
| 22:01:30 | PsycoXul | wow |
| 22:01:30 | LinusN | i'm not telling... :-) |
| 22:01:35 | PsycoXul | there's a lot of repeat feature requests |
| 22:01:45 | dw|gone | LinusN: you are a smeetvrees :) |
| 22:01:46 | LinusN | tell me about it |
| 22:01:50 | dw|gone | damn you smeetvrees! |
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| 22:07:34 | PsycoXul | anybody know an easy way to get rid of the AC power hum from a cord plugged into like the mic port of a soundcard |
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| 22:08:12 | LinusN | PsycoXul: electrically? |
| 22:08:52 | PsycoXul | using a chromatic tuner prog with my mic set to record and i've got a home-made extention/adapter cord plugged into it for a piezo transducer |
| 22:09:11 | PsycoXul | the humm seems to be coming from that extention/adapter thing, with just it plugged in the chromatic tuner prog shows me 60hz heh |
| 22:09:29 | LinusN | hehe, some tuner |
| 22:09:43 | PsycoXul | well 60hz is the AC power frequency here in the US |
| 22:09:49 | LinusN | i know |
| 22:09:58 | LinusN | how about grounding the device? |
| 22:10:18 | PsycoXul | hmm |
| 22:10:59 | LinusN | try grounding the chassis somehow |
| 22:11:08 | LinusN | is the cable shielded? |
| 22:11:19 | PsycoXul | heh probably not |
| 22:11:32 | PsycoXul | i used one of them rca style cords for the cable |
| 22:11:37 | LinusN | does the sound get worse when you hold the mic? |
| 22:12:35 | PsycoXul | well i can't hear it most of the time |
| 22:13:03 | PsycoXul | but if i touch the ground pole of the adapter or the metal plate the piezo's mounted to i get a humm heh |
| 22:17:17 | PsycoXul | hmm |
| 22:17:30 | PsycoXul | maybe i should reverse the polarity on one end of my adapter |
| 22:17:50 | PsycoXul | that plugging it in backwards seems to get rid of it |
| 22:20:36 | PsycoXul | oh hah |
| 22:20:40 | PsycoXul | i've got it backwards anyways |
| 22:20:56 | PsycoXul | how'd i do that heh |
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| 22:25:38 | LinusN | PsycoXul: haha, did you get rid of the sound? |
| 22:29:43 | PsycoXul | when i plugged it in backwards, it went away unless i turned the +12db mic boost on |
| 22:30:10 | LinusN | that mic boost thing always messes things up... |
| 22:31:02 | PsycoXul | heh yeah |
| 22:31:09 | PsycoXul | it's unnecessary for this purpose anyways |
| 22:31:14 | PsycoXul | so i'm fixing the polarity on my adapter |
| 22:31:59 | LinusN | sound like a good idea :-) |
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| 22:46:05 | PsycoXul | there |
| 22:46:19 | PsycoXul | now it just shows 0.8 Hz |
| 22:46:39 | LinusN | acceptable, i guess |
| 22:47:54 | PsycoXul | it's probably really weak, and it's not even audible range, and it's there without anything even plugged in, so... |
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| 22:50:16 | PsycoXul | i got this little piezo transducer for $14 |
| 22:50:33 | PsycoXul | it's a little piece of crap just made for plugging into a tuner instead of using a mic, for noisy conditions |
| 22:50:49 | PsycoXul | little plastic clip-on thing |
| 22:51:06 | PsycoXul | i tore the whole thing appart till it was just the little piezo element and the metal plate it's mounted on |
| 22:51:14 | PsycoXul | and wedged that into the bridge of my violin |
| 22:51:24 | PsycoXul | significantly improved the signal strength over clipping it on |
| 22:56:42 | PsycoXul | gah |
| 22:56:45 | PsycoXul | this violin though |
| 22:56:50 | PsycoXul | the A tuner is screwed |
| 22:56:59 | PsycoXul | the peg's pushed in further than all the rest |
| 22:57:07 | PsycoXul | and it still won't hold an A |
| 22:57:13 | PsycoXul | it just goes down to a G# |
| 22:59:33 | LinusN | badness |
| 22:59:53 | LinusN | well, time to go to bed |
| 22:59:58 | LinusN | night! |
| 22:59:59 | PsycoXul | good night |
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