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| 07:14:03 | Zagor | morn all |
| 07:17:38 | adi|home | morning... |
| 07:17:47 | adi|home | i killed that 'hold' request that was put in.. |
| 07:17:57 | adi|home | sounded like they wanted key locking.. we already have hat... |
| 07:17:58 | adi|home | that |
| 07:18:13 | adi|home | btw.. im fixing the 'reset settings' option |
| 07:18:35 | adi|home | since i pulled the button repeat/release stuff.. its not working right |
| 07:19:11 | adi|home | oh.. yeah.. and im selling your sister into white slavery.. i hope thats okay |
| 07:19:31 | Zagor | :-) |
| 07:34:32 | adi|home | zagor.. |
| 07:34:38 | Zagor | yea? |
| 07:34:39 | adi|home | whats the diff between button_get_w_tmo |
| 07:34:42 | adi|home | and button_get |
| 07:34:42 | adi|home | ? |
| 07:34:52 | Zagor | button_get(true) has no timeout |
| 07:35:02 | adi|home | okay... |
| 07:35:18 | adi|home | so what would be the advantage of using the tmo. |
| 07:35:31 | adi|home | what i mean, is ther a time we _dont_ want to use button_get |
| 07:35:31 | adi|home | ? |
| 07:35:51 | Zagor | for example the wps needs to update the screen periodically, so it can't hang on button_get() forever |
| 07:36:00 | adi|home | okay.. |
| 07:36:08 | adi|home | but in menus the button_get is acceptable yes? |
| 07:36:27 | Zagor | yes, because we don't have to update the screen frequently there |
| 07:36:32 | adi|home | nods |
| 07:36:37 | adi|home | k.. just double checking |
| 07:43:05 | adi|home | hmm.. there has to be another way to do this... |
| 07:43:16 | adi|home | when i get this working.. ill need your opinion on something |
| 07:43:48 | Zagor | sure. i'm full of opinions :-) |
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| 07:46:31 | calpefrosch | hi |
| 07:46:34 | calpefrosch | morning |
| 07:50:01 | adi|home | howdy |
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| 07:51:30 | adi|home | does the player have an on and off? |
| 07:51:35 | adi|home | or just play and stop? |
| 07:51:37 | Zagor | only on |
| 07:51:47 | Zagor | stop is used for power-off |
| 07:51:48 | adi|home | nods |
| 07:51:57 | adi|home | ok |
| 07:52:07 | adi|home | the reset settings option |
| 07:52:15 | adi|home | right now its confirmation is: play for yes |
| 07:52:19 | adi|home | and anything else for no |
| 07:52:24 | Zagor | yes |
| 07:52:25 | adi|home | any prob if stop becomes no? |
| 07:52:33 | adi|home | for player |
| 07:52:35 | Zagor | no, but why limit it? |
| 07:52:36 | adi|home | and off for rec? |
| 07:52:52 | adi|home | because its a pain to detect now that set_release set_repeat is gone. |
| 07:53:05 | Zagor | is it? |
| 07:53:16 | adi|home | sell.. im doing a button_get |
| 07:53:25 | adi|home | and if its play or play/repeat we take it as yes |
| 07:53:34 | adi|home | if we get a repeat, we should ignore it |
| 07:53:45 | adi|home | and if we get anything else, then we take it.. |
| 07:53:49 | adi|home | i mean |
| 07:53:58 | Zagor | you will always get play before play+repeat |
| 07:54:14 | Zagor | so you can simply check for play or !play |
| 07:54:19 | adi|home | basically... right arrow and repeat are being caught as the 'other' when you move off menu to the actual setting reset |
| 07:54:29 | adi|home | nods |
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| 07:54:53 | adi|home | the main prob is that 'other' is off |
| 07:55:07 | adi|home | so right arrow repeat is automatically 'canceling' our changes. |
| 07:55:07 | Zagor | ? |
| 07:55:13 | * | adi|home wonders if that makes sense... |
| 07:55:15 | adi|home | try it... |
| 07:55:21 | adi|home | gen settings -> reset... |
| 07:55:39 | Zagor | ah, ok. now I understand the problem |
| 07:55:46 | adi|home | nods |
| 07:55:56 | mj_home | Good evening. Is this a good place to ask questions about problems with trying out Rockbox, or should I go somewhere else? |
| 07:56:05 | Zagor | mj_home: this is the place |
| 07:56:14 | mj_home | Ah, excellent. |
| 07:56:19 | Zagor | adi|home: ok, well in this case I'm all for OFF/STOP as no |
| 07:56:25 | adi|home | cool.. |
| 07:56:26 | adi|home | fixing |
| 07:57:06 | mj_home | Zagor: Should I just launch into my story, or is there some etiquette I need to be aware of? |
| 07:57:18 | Zagor | mj_home: just fire away :-) |
| 07:57:26 | mj_home | Zagor: Cool! |
| 07:58:34 | mj_home | Zagor: Before I begin, I should mention that I am someone who uses Linux as my primary OS, but this is a recent change. Therefore, please forgive any obvious mistakes I made or any obvious lapses in knowledge/judegement... |
| 07:58:54 | mj_home | I have used Windows with my Archos 5000 in the past. |
| 07:59:15 | mj_home | At the advice of a friend, I downloaded Rockbox and tried to install it on my Archos. |
| 07:59:38 | mj_home | To do so, I first needed to figure out how to gain access to it (I'm using Mandrake 9.0, BTW). |
| 08:00 |
| 08:00:09 | mj_home | So I edited /etc/fstab, and added "/dev/sda1 /mnt/archos vfat umask=0 0 0" |
| 08:00:29 | mj_home | And then I've been mounting the Archos with sudo mount /mnt/archose |
| 08:00:54 | mj_home | Following the instructions, I unzipped the contents of the zip file at the root level of my Archos. |
| 08:01:10 | mj_home | It warned me that it was overwriting some files; I assumed this was OK. |
| 08:01:36 | mj_home | Once it was done, I cd'ed out of the archos dir, and then attempted to sudo umount. This hung. |
| 08:02:00 | mj_home | From another window, I cat'ed /proc/mounts, and saw that /mnt/archos was no longer listed. |
| 08:02:12 | Zagor | it doesn't really hang, it just takes several minutues to flush to usb |
| 08:02:20 | mj_home | uh oh |
| 08:02:44 | mj_home | So, in my idiocy, I kill -9'ed that umount |
| 08:02:52 | PsycoXul | it can really hang, but most of the time it's just being slow |
| 08:03:10 | mj_home | Now my Archos won't boot, and if I try to mount it, it says /dev/sda1 is an invalid block device |
| 08:03:16 | Zagor | PsycoXul: correct, there are bugs that can make it hang too |
| 08:03:16 | mj_home | I'm feeling pretty stupid |
| 08:03:32 | mj_home | Zagor: Um, any advice? |
| 08:03:40 | Zagor | mj_home: have you rebooted since you killed umount? |
| 08:03:58 | PsycoXul | so now i wonder how rockbox'll react to me adding stuff to a playlist that it'll try to resume shuffled |
| 08:04:00 | mj_home | My Linux box? No. My Archos? Yes. |
| 08:04:20 | mj_home | Zagor: Should I reboot my Linux box? |
| 08:04:33 | Zagor | mj_home: doing this kind of thin can confuse usb-storage. that's probably why you can't remount the archos. yes, try a reboot. |
| 08:05:12 | PsycoXul | heh just resumed into a diff file is all i guess |
| 08:05:29 | Zagor | PsycoXul: rockbox remembers the line numbers |
| 08:06:07 | Zagor | PsycoXul: so it will be ok if you add it to the end. unless you shuffle. that will give everything a new random order. |
| 08:06:23 | PsycoXul | yeah it's shuffled |
| 08:06:28 | mj_home | Zagor: OK, I'll try that. Thanks! I hope I won't have to come back and bug you some more. |
| 08:06:28 | PsycoXul | and i added stuff in the middle too |
| 08:06:28 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 08:06:46 | Zagor | mj_home: :-) no problem |
| 08:06:49 | * | mj_home waves, and thanks Zagor once again |
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| 08:07:08 | Zagor | PsycoXul: then you'll simply resume to the wrong track with wrong shuffle order |
| 08:07:56 | PsycoXul | oh well |
| 08:09:32 | PsycoXul | i added 87 tracks all scattered through the middle heh |
| 08:09:51 | PsycoXul | my wholedisk.m3u is now up to 3062 tracks |
| 08:10:37 | PsycoXul | ah damn |
| 08:10:42 | PsycoXul | i broke going to the browser again... |
| 08:10:50 | PsycoXul | or something did |
| 08:11:27 | PsycoXul | Zagor: i added an on+play in WPS to turn the screen on/off |
| 08:12:05 | PsycoXul | and since it's only in the wps, i made it turn the screen on when switching to browser or menu |
| 08:12:13 | Zagor | ON play was already taken... |
| 08:12:22 | PsycoXul | this is only on the player |
| 08:12:26 | Zagor | ok |
| 08:12:52 | PsycoXul | i just added some lines to wps.c and a function to turn the screen on and off |
| 08:14:15 | PsycoXul | but the way i did it, if i release the keys too quick after turning the screen off, or maybe it's the order i release the keys in or something, i'm not sure... it'll switch to the browser |
| 08:14:39 | PsycoXul | it normally doesn't, it's just some funky way when i release the keys quickly it happens |
| 08:15:05 | Zagor | look at my pitch screen implementation on the recorder |
| 08:15:42 | PsycoXul | on_screen()? |
| 08:16:36 | Zagor | yup |
| 08:18:48 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 08:19:17 | PsycoXul | i don't like the way while/switch's are scattered around looking for buttons all over the place |
| 08:19:43 | Zagor | it's either that or a dozen state variables |
| 08:19:53 | Zagor | separate switches are a lot more readable |
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| 08:29:21 | mjamil_home | Zagor: Hello. I'm back. |
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| 08:29:35 | Zagor | hi |
| 08:29:39 | Zagor | any luck? |
| 08:30:07 | mj | Zagor: On your advice, I waited for the umount to end on its own. It gave me a kernel panic message after about 5 minutes and froze my Linux box. |
| 08:30:22 | Zagor | ouch! |
| 08:30:23 | mj | I think this may be an issue with my usb modules. |
| 08:30:36 | mj | I'm just using the default that's loaded by Mandrake. |
| 08:30:53 | mj | That machine is rebooting right now |
| 08:31:18 | mj | I had to power it down by pulling the power to it |
| 08:31:33 | mj | Not happy about that :( |
| 08:31:55 | Zagor | which kernel version is this? |
| 08:31:58 | mj | Anyway, it did mount properly after the restart. That's a good thing! |
| 08:32:06 | Zagor | yeah |
| 08:32:07 | mj | I believe its 2.4.19. |
| 08:32:16 | mj | But Mandrake plays with it a bit. |
| 08:32:31 | Zagor | are you using usb-uhci.o och uhci.o ? (you should use usb-uhci.o) |
| 08:33:18 | mj | I will check that. Um, what are the commands to list and remove modules? I know that modprobe is used to add modules... |
| 08:33:47 | PsycoXul | lsmod - lists |
| 08:33:49 | PsycoXul | rmmod - removes |
| 08:33:53 | PsycoXul | insmod - inserts |
| 08:34:05 | PsycoXul | modprobe it sorta like an insmod frontend |
| 08:34:06 | * | mj gets his Linux laptop and does a lsmod |
| 08:34:26 | PsycoXul | s/it/is/ |
| 08:34:37 | mj | I see usb-uhci |
| 08:35:16 | mj | PsycoXul: thx |
| 08:35:44 | mj | Zagor: Should I try to hook up the Archos and mount it again? |
| 08:35:54 | mj | Actually, are my /etc/fstab settings correct? |
| 08:36:16 | Zagor | they look ok to me |
| 08:36:17 | mj | Or do you use some other parameters when you mount your Archos> |
| 08:36:20 | mj | OK |
| 08:36:47 | PsycoXul | you might wanna add noauto to the options |
| 08:36:52 | PsycoXul | so that it doesn't try to mount on boot |
| 08:37:02 | mj | PsycoXul: ok |
| 08:37:07 | * | mj changes his fstab |
| 08:38:15 | mj | Zagor: OK, mounting the Archos again... |
| 08:38:48 | mj | OK, mounted successfully. |
| 08:39:13 | mj | ls -al shows that archos.mod is new. |
| 08:39:18 | mj | From today, that is. |
| 08:39:36 | Zagor | ok |
| 08:40:00 | mj | I don't know if it (or other required) software was properly downloaded |
| 08:40:18 | mj | Because it still won't move past the first screen when I power it up. |
| 08:40:21 | mj | Any ideas? |
| 08:40:27 | mj | Want me to add/remove files from it? |
| 08:40:35 | PsycoXul | hmm |
| 08:40:37 | PsycoXul | the first screen? |
| 08:40:42 | Zagor | try simply unzipping the archive again, then unmounting |
| 08:40:43 | mj | Or just see if I can umount it without doing anything? |
| 08:40:45 | PsycoXul | you mean the rom version bootup screen? |
| 08:40:45 | mj | yup |
| 08:40:48 | mj | Yup |
| 08:40:49 | PsycoXul | does it get stuck there? |
| 08:40:52 | mj | It just freezes there |
| 08:40:56 | PsycoXul | ah |
| 08:41:05 | PsycoXul | sounds like wrong player version mod |
| 08:41:10 | mj | Huh |
| 08:41:16 | Zagor | aahh, right |
| 08:41:17 | PsycoXul | if you're getting one for player get it for player-new |
| 08:41:20 | PsycoXul | or vice versa |
| 08:41:27 | mj | I got the one marked for the 5000 on your Web site |
| 08:41:35 | * | mj will download again, just to be sure |
| 08:41:40 | mj | Oh wait |
| 08:41:57 | PsycoXul | whats the rom firmware ver? |
| 08:41:57 | mj | The file is named "rockbox-1.4-player-new.zip" |
| 08:42:06 | mj | Thats gotta be the correct one, right? |
| 08:42:20 | mj | 5.08, I think |
| 08:42:27 | Zagor | that should be correct |
| 08:42:29 | * | mj is going on memory for that one |
| 08:42:35 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 08:42:36 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 08:42:37 | mj | So that's not the problem |
| 08:42:48 | mj | Is my Archos dying/dead? |
| 08:43:02 | Zagor | mj: no, it's just a mod problem |
| 08:43:09 | PsycoXul | how about the batteries |
| 08:43:22 | mj | PsycoXul: Full |
| 08:43:29 | PsycoXul | huh... |
| 08:43:32 | mj | Actually... |
| 08:43:36 | mj | Um... |
| 08:43:40 | mj | I cant tell, obviously |
| 08:43:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 08:43:48 | mj | But they *should* be full |
| 08:44:06 | mj | Hm |
| 08:44:10 | PsycoXul | try with the charger plugged in just for shits and giggles |
| 08:44:22 | PsycoXul | with these things what the batteries *should* be isn't always what they are heh |
| 08:44:24 | mj | PsycoXul: The sad thing is I don't have it on me. It's at work. |
| 08:44:31 | mj | PsycoXul: Question for you... |
| 08:44:48 | PsycoXul | i still dunno what the hell drains the battery on players while it's turned off |
| 08:44:52 | mj | PsycoXul: I was using the Archos all day in my car with one of those car lighter charger things. |
| 08:45:01 | mj | PsycoXul: Does that charge the batteries too> |
| 08:45:10 | mj | PsycoXul: Or could it be draining them? |
| 08:45:20 | PsycoXul | using it tends to drain more than the charger charges |
| 08:45:29 | mj | *sigh* |
| 08:45:34 | PsycoXul | so it just drains slower than normal |
| 08:45:34 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 08:45:41 | mj | Then this might be because of low battery power |
| 08:46:06 | PsycoXul | well is the HD making noises like it's trying to spin up over and over? |
| 08:46:08 | Zagor | do you have the charger? plug it in. |
| 08:46:15 | mj | Zagor: When I asked whether my Archos may be dying, its because this freeze happened on my car trip as well. |
| 08:46:17 | PsycoXul | thats what mine usualy does if the batteries are low |
| 08:46:28 | mj | Zagor: I don't. It's at work. I'm at home. |
| 08:46:43 | Zagor | ok |
| 08:47:03 | mj | PsycoXul: It must have some battery power because its been sitting while we've been talking, saying USB Active, all this time. |
| 08:47:12 | mj | It's still mounted on the laptop. |
| 08:47:23 | PsycoXul | oh |
| 08:47:27 | PsycoXul | then thats probably not it |
| 08:47:47 | mj | PsycoXul: Should I delete the archos.mod file? |
| 08:48:05 | mj | Actually, Zagor, I'll ask that to you as well... |
| 08:48:28 | * | mj is hoping this is just a mod problem |
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| 08:55:15 | mjamil | Guys, I'll get some power for the Archos, and try later. Thanks for your help! |
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| 08:58:37 | calpe[brb] | Zagor: I think you are an experienced open source developer. Can you give me some advice ? |
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| 08:59:06 | Zagor | calpefrosch: sure |
| 08:59:49 | calpefrosch | tnx. I'd like to start an open source project on sourceforge.net. |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:46 | calpefrosch | It is an project for a german home automation system and I have to reverse-engineer some communication-protocol. Can this become a problem for me because of some copyrights ? |
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| 09:01:57 | Bagder | morning |
| 09:02:03 | calpefrosch | morning |
| 09:02:04 | Zagor | calpefrosch: generally, no. but this naturally depends on your local laws. copyright, however, concerns taking other peoples intellectual property and distributing it |
| 09:02:43 | Zagor | calpefrosch: creating new software for interoperability is not a copyright infringement, since you are making new intellectual property |
| 09:03:10 | Zagor | calpefrosch: the only issue in this case would be if they had some patent or some such involved in the protocol, but that seems unlikely |
| 09:03:13 | Zagor | Bagder: hi there |
| 09:03:36 | Bagder | tried my scroll yet? ;-) |
| 09:03:56 | Zagor | Bagder: uh, no. was that the ON in bouncer? |
| 09:03:57 | calpefrosch | There is one company selling these hw-modules. I have to log the communication and put it in my own software. So I'm using the intellectual property of this company, or not ? Like we are using the archos hardware. |
| 09:04:03 | Bagder | Zagor: yeps |
| 09:04:13 | Zagor | ok, i thought that was the clock. will try now. |
| 09:05:03 | * | Bagder was in demo-mood yday |
| 09:05:33 | Zagor | calpefrosch: if you are using their software, you are in trouble. |
| 09:05:51 | Zagor | calpefrosch: if you are just listening to the behaviour of your own equipment (bought from them) there is no problem |
| 09:06:29 | calpefrosch | second, so I don't have a problem ;-) |
| 09:06:43 | PsycoXul | Zagor: adding a ignore_keyup=true; into my BUTTON_ON | BUTTON_PLAY case seems to have fixed my problem heh |
| 09:06:54 | Zagor | Bagder: nice! nostalgic feelings :-) |
| 09:07:01 | Bagder | yeps |
| 09:07:10 | Zagor | calpefrosch: good |
| 09:07:18 | Bagder | I thought about making it display text files ;-) |
| 09:07:36 | Zagor | haha |
| 09:08:31 | calpefrosch | Zagor: thanks for your advice, cu |
| 09:13:25 | Zagor | calpefrosch: still, I'm only speaking from swedish experience. some countries have stricter laws on reverse-engineering. you should look into your local laws. |
| 09:15:22 | calpefrosch | Zagor: yes, I'm already facing a problem with the naming of the project, because the name "LCN" is a registered trademark. So I have to look ... |
| 09:40:59 | Schnueff | hehe, just saw a freshmeat announcement for a text reader: HitMe! is a viewer which displays text files word by word with a very short interval, making it possible to read quickly and efficiently, as no time is wasted on eyeball movement or verse tracking. |
| 09:41:07 | Schnueff | could be of use for rockbox, too :) |
| 09:41:19 | Zagor | haha |
| 09:41:27 | * | Schnueff tries not to waste time on eyeball movement. |
| 09:41:34 | * | adi|home dusts off his LART and beats Schnueff viciously |
| 09:41:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 09:42:22 | Schnueff | ouch |
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| 09:45:04 | bobTHC | good morning all! |
| 09:45:09 | Schnueff | moin |
| 09:45:13 | Bagder | morning bob |
| 09:45:18 | adi|home | Zagor.. i thought you said that if button_get(true) doesn't return till a key is hit? |
| 09:45:56 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:46:12 | Bagder | it returns on key "events", where release is one event |
| 09:46:20 | Zagor | right |
| 09:47:19 | adi|home | hmmm.. cause im sitting in a while(1) loop |
| 09:47:24 | adi|home | with a button_get(true) |
| 09:47:31 | adi|home | and in the sim it just seems to cycle |
| 09:47:35 | adi|home | does sim handle diff? |
| 09:48:45 | Bagder | only slightly |
| 09:49:00 | adi|home | k... |
| 09:49:01 | Bagder | it generates both down and up events at the same time |
| 09:49:36 | adi|home | Zagor... this off/stop change in the settings necesitates a change in the english language... |
| 09:49:41 | adi|home | any prob with that? |
| 09:51:22 | Zagor | no |
| 09:51:29 | adi|home | k |
| 09:54:30 | adi|home | any particular reason we have 2 diff confirmation strings for players vs recorders on setting resets? |
| 09:54:35 | adi|home | we have "Really?" for player |
| 09:54:44 | adi|home | and "Are you sure?" for REcorder |
| 09:54:58 | Zagor | just because "Are you sure?" is nicer, but too long for players |
| 09:55:18 | adi|home | ahh. how wide char wise is the player? |
| 09:55:22 | Zagor | 11 |
| 09:55:41 | adi|home | k |
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| 10:02:16 | mbr | moin |
| 10:04:24 | langhaarrocker | dito |
| 10:06:11 | * | Bagder makes a good fix here |
| 10:06:42 | * | Zagor makes good coffee here |
| 10:06:53 | Bagder | darn, I lost again |
| 10:06:58 | Zagor | :) |
| 10:07:06 | * | langhaarrocker wishes someone fixed a good make |
| 10:07:26 | langhaarrocker | eg in uisimulator/win32 ... |
| 10:07:28 | Bagder | make is good already! ;-) |
| 10:07:34 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: edx works on thata |
| 10:07:51 | langhaarrocker | He'll be the guy of the hour then |
| 10:08:05 | Bagder | he made it build and run yday |
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| 10:09:25 | langhaarrocker | I'm so inpatient but probably noone botherd looking at my key scheme code, yet. |
| 10:09:39 | Zagor | :-) |
| 10:09:42 | Schnueff | moin mbr |
| 10:09:43 | Bagder | I havent't |
| 10:10:23 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: what do you fix? |
| 10:10:37 | Bagder | I make the x11 sim better |
| 10:11:05 | langhaarrocker | :( a change I probably never will see. |
| 10:11:44 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: And afterwards the cube demo won't be overspeed any more? :) |
| 10:12:20 | Bagder | actually, I fixed that yday :-) |
| 10:12:49 | Bagder | this fix makes the simulator send button events much more as the target does |
| 10:13:07 | Zagor | nice! |
| 10:13:20 | adi|home | Zagor.. just realized a prob... |
| 10:13:29 | adi|home | the settings reset |
| 10:13:47 | | Quit TotMacher () |
| 10:13:49 | adi|home | we tell the user that on is yes on the player |
| 10:13:53 | Bagder | adi|home: just as a reminder, I still await your highres photoshop version |
| 10:14:05 | adi|home | but we have no room/way to tell them that stop means off |
| 10:14:08 | * | adi|home nods to Bagder |
| 10:14:11 | adi|home | tomorrow |
| 10:14:15 | Bagder | ok |
| 10:14:16 | adi|home | thats when im back on campus |
| 10:14:33 | adi|home | you'll get it last AM my time |
| 10:14:45 | Zagor | adi|home: use both lines. "PLAY=Reset" "STOP=Cancel" |
| 10:14:57 | adi|home | k |
| 10:22:19 | adi|home | player sim, what is the key for ON? |
| 10:22:28 | adi|home | nm |
| 10:22:43 | Bagder | its impossible to remember :-) |
| 10:22:58 | Zagor | nah, it's the numpad |
| 10:23:04 | Zagor | nothing strange |
| 10:26:10 | adi|home | zagor.. mind going to spam for a sec? |
| 10:26:16 | Zagor | sure |
| 10:35:44 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: haven't you written a good read_line? |
| 10:36:43 | mbr | Someone had a look at my multiline scroll patch? |
| 10:36:46 | mbr | comments? |
| 10:39:57 | * | Bagder haven't tested, but things it sounds fine! ;-) |
| 10:40:01 | Bagder | thinks |
| 10:44:50 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: not yet |
| 10:45:03 | Zagor | Bagder: did you make genlang return an error code? |
| 10:45:07 | Bagder | no |
| 10:45:13 | Zagor | i think it shoul |
| 10:45:14 | Zagor | d |
| 10:45:38 | Bagder | it'll cause a compiler error anyway |
| 10:45:50 | Bagder | if there's a missing lang enum I mean |
| 10:46:14 | Zagor | yes, but it's better complaining about the .lang file than the .c file |
| 10:46:32 | Bagder | true |
| 10:49:29 | Bagder | there |
| 10:50:04 | adi|home | okay.. when i change something in english.lang (other then commiting) is there anything special i need to do? |
| 10:51:21 | Bagder | no |
| 10:51:26 | adi|home | k |
| 10:51:28 | Bagder | the makefile should deal with it |
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| 10:55:27 | Zagor | Bagder: any way you can make repeat work in the sim too? |
| 10:55:29 | Zagor | hi linus |
| 10:55:30 | Bagder | hi linus |
| 10:55:40 | LinusN | yo! |
| 10:55:41 | bobTHC | hi |
| 10:55:59 | Bagder | Zagor: probably |
| 10:56:51 | Zagor | Bagder: that would be very nice. then there is very little difference btwn sim and target button handling |
| 10:59:57 | LinusN | what's up with the danish peak meter problem? |
| 11:00 |
| 11:00:44 | Zagor | isn't it just a missing string? |
| 11:00:54 | * | Zagor hasn't looked |
| 11:01:46 | LinusN | but shouldn't missing strings be replaced with the english version? |
| 11:01:55 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:03:18 | adi|home | anyone have a player and is willing to lose their settings for a test for me? |
| 11:04:00 | Zagor | id: LANG_PM_MENU |
| 11:04:00 | Zagor | desc: in the display menu |
| 11:04:00 | Zagor | eng: "Peak meter" |
| 11:04:00 | Zagor | ### Not previously translated |
| 11:04:00 | Zagor | new: "" |
| 11:04:21 | Zagor | that's the reason |
| 11:04:53 | Zagor | i'll fix it |
| 11:05:01 | adi|home | zagor let me commit my english before you fix that k? |
| 11:05:39 | Zagor | adi|home: it doesn't make a difference. this is dansk.lang |
| 11:05:54 | adi|home | ahh.. hehe k.. nm then :) |
| 11:06:48 | Zagor | actually, many languages have empty strings |
| 11:06:50 | LinusN | dammit, i really thought we got rid of the gaps between the tracks (complaint on Yahoo) |
| 11:06:52 | Zagor | grrr |
| 11:07:00 | Zagor | LinusN: yeah, that's odd |
| 11:07:10 | adi|home | fuck em |
| 11:07:14 | adi|home | till they complain on the list |
| 11:07:26 | Zagor | Bagder: maybe genlang could simply ignore new: "" strings? |
| 11:07:34 | adi|home | im not willing to fix bugs they aren't willing to report through proper channels :) |
| 11:08:59 | Zagor | ah, that reminds me. we should announce that we now accept bug reports on daily builds. |
| 11:09:01 | Bagder | Zagor: that would remove the ability to build non-english versions |
| 11:09:29 | Bagder | which some people do |
| 11:09:34 | Bagder | evidently |
| 11:09:36 | Zagor | Bagder: i mean treat 'new: ""' the same as 'new: ' |
| 11:09:43 | Bagder | ah |
| 11:09:43 | Zagor | i.e use the english string |
| 11:09:49 | Bagder | that we should |
| 11:13:25 | adi|home | okay.. settings reset fixed |
| 11:14:04 | adi|home | the whole button_set/repeat issue is just going to have to continue being fixed as we find issues.. |
| 11:14:30 | adi|home | Zagor: f1 quickscreen? (for keylock, mute and ID3 browser) |
| 11:14:35 | adi|home | how if f1 is our menu key? |
| 11:15:09 | Zagor | adi|home: my thinking was doing it the same way as ON. i.e screen does not show until repeat kicks in |
| 11:15:49 | adi|home | ahh... hmmm... |
| 11:15:56 | adi|home | ouch.. button difference again... |
| 11:15:58 | adi|home | hmmm.. |
| 11:16:02 | adi|home | on recorder |
| 11:16:04 | Zagor | only, uh, that's broken now :-) |
| 11:16:06 | adi|home | do f1 then f2 |
| 11:16:16 | adi|home | cant get in |
| 11:16:19 | adi|home | but do f3 and you can |
| 11:16:22 | adi|home | ill fix that |
| 11:16:50 | Zagor | that was sort of intentional, but I agree it doesn't feel right |
| 11:17:04 | adi|home | i think you should be able to jump to any menu.... |
| 11:17:23 | adi|home | hmmm but... |
| 11:17:33 | adi|home | if i do: f1 -> f2 -> f3 -> f2 |
| 11:17:38 | langhaarrocker | Switching from f2 to f3 quick screen is problematic with key schemes |
| 11:17:39 | adi|home | then when im done |
| 11:17:47 | adi|home | ill exit back to f3 then f2 again |
| 11:17:49 | adi|home | which is odd... |
| 11:18:14 | adi|home | would it make more sense to just say 'you can't just menus, you must exit the one your in'? |
| 11:18:23 | adi|home | s/jump/just/ |
| 11:18:32 | Zagor | adi|home: yes, i definitely think so. f3 from f2 is pointless imho. |
| 11:19:04 | Zagor | we simply won't be able to "go anywhere from anywhere" |
| 11:19:53 | langhaarrocker | (uff) |
| 11:22:13 | adi|home | nods |
| 11:22:16 | adi|home | so i should fix it then? |
| 11:22:37 | Zagor | adi|home: fix what exactly? |
| 11:22:52 | adi|home | well right now you can go from the f1 menu to the f3 |
| 11:22:56 | adi|home | and when you exit f3 |
| 11:22:58 | adi|home | you back on f1 |
| 11:23:03 | adi|home | but you can't do that for f2 |
| 11:23:21 | adi|home | was going to make it so you have to exit back to the directory to go to another menu |
| 11:23:27 | adi|home | browser rather |
| 11:23:31 | Zagor | nah, just add f2 to menu.c |
| 11:24:05 | adi|home | but thats confusing... |
| 11:24:14 | adi|home | because you can't go from f3 -> f2 or f2 -> f3 |
| 11:24:47 | Zagor | well f1 and f2/f3 are not comparable screens |
| 11:24:55 | langhaarrocker | When talking about the quick screens: I think we really should make them more generic. I have already made generic quick screens but they use my key schemes already. |
| 11:24:59 | Zagor | f1 is the menu. f2/f3 are dumb quickscreens |
| 11:25:00 | adi|home | right, for now their not |
| 11:25:11 | adi|home | but your also talking about f1 become a quickscreen on repeat |
| 11:25:32 | adi|home | langhaarrocker: what are this schemes your talking bout? |
| 11:25:38 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: i did a more generic, but it actually becomes more complex than having these hardcoded |
| 11:25:40 | adi|home | i saw the email.. but i don't get the purpose |
| 11:25:44 | adi|home | i was away for that :) |
| 11:26:01 | langhaarrocker | bindable key schemes |
| 11:26:22 | Zagor | adi|home: ah, right. forgot that. so what was your suggestion again? |
| 11:26:45 | adi|home | basically you need to exit the current menu/quickscreen before continuing on to another |
| 11:27:09 | | Nick LinusN is now known as LinusN|lunch (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 11:27:10 | adi|home | i just think its either you can jump to/from any menu to any menu |
| 11:27:12 | adi|home | or you can't... |
| 11:27:20 | adi|home | there shoulnd't be a hodge-podge |
| 11:27:36 | * | adi|home nods to langhaarrocker |
| 11:27:37 | Zagor | adi|home: don't mix screens and menus. we only have one menu |
| 11:27:54 | Zagor | you can't jump between screens |
| 11:28:10 | adi|home | hmmm dunno if i agree.. but i'd go with it... |
| 11:28:29 | adi|home | but you _could_ jump from the F1_repeat quickscreen to f2 or f3 |
| 11:28:30 | adi|home | right? |
| 11:28:36 | LinusN|lunch | adi|home: there is a UI issue with being able to go from anywhere to anywhere |
| 11:28:44 | Zagor | adi|home: we'd get a stack problem |
| 11:28:52 | * | adi|home nods to LinusN|lunch i know.. thats why im bringing it up |
| 11:29:04 | LinusN|lunch | that means that we can't reassign the F-keys in different contexts |
| 11:29:12 | LinusN|lunch | contexts are good imho |
| 11:29:27 | Zagor | i think it's much better to require exiting the F screens before going somewhere else |
| 11:29:30 | * | adi|home points out that hes not the one that wants to reassigne keys |
| 11:29:34 | LinusN|lunch | Zagor: i agree fully |
| 11:29:35 | adi|home | right.. thats what im saying |
| 11:29:42 | adi|home | okay.. so we all agree... |
| 11:29:47 | Zagor | yup |
| 11:29:47 | langhaarrocker | No |
| 11:29:51 | Zagor | hehe |
| 11:29:54 | LinusN|lunch | adi|home: reassigning keys is a different thing |
| 11:29:56 | adi|home | you need to exit a menu OR a quickscreen |
| 11:30:04 | Zagor | adi|home: no, just a quickscreen |
| 11:30:06 | adi|home | when did reassigning come up? |
| 11:30:17 | * | adi|home slaps you all with a small fish |
| 11:30:21 | LinusN|lunch | you just pointed it out |
| 11:30:29 | Zagor | F2+F3 can be reached from: Browser, Wps and Menu |
| 11:30:35 | langhaarrocker | I don't see why there are restrictions that fn screens can't be context sensitive. |
| 11:30:38 | adi|home | no... im taking info from Zagors todo list |
| 11:30:42 | adi|home | im not making it up :)_ |
| 11:30:43 | Zagor | F3 cannot be reached from F2 screen |
| 11:30:50 | LinusN|lunch | for example |
| 11:30:55 | adi|home | right .. i agree with you zagor |
| 11:30:58 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: they can. they just aren't, right now |
| 11:31:06 | adi|home | f2 !-> f3 |
| 11:31:09 | adi|home | f3 !-> f2 |
| 11:31:22 | * | adi|home points at zagor |
| 11:31:23 | langhaarrocker | adj|home: yes |
| 11:31:37 | adi|home | he mentioned the idea of F1_REPEAT being another quickscreen as well |
| 11:31:46 | adi|home | thats what im talking about with f1 -> f2 or f3 |
| 11:32:07 | langhaarrocker | but not f1|repeat -> f3 or f2 |
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| 11:32:12 | Zagor | adi|home: right, but Menu and F1-screen will then be two different things |
| 11:32:17 | adi|home | right.. and THAT is confusing... |
| 11:32:28 | adi|home | thats to lang not you zagor |
| 11:32:28 | Zagor | not really, they will look very different |
| 11:32:33 | adi|home | no no no |
| 11:32:35 | adi|home | hold on. |
| 11:32:37 | Zagor | oh :-) |
| 11:32:44 | adi|home | <langhaarrocker> but not f1|repeat -> f3 or f2 |
| 11:32:49 | adi|home | <adi|home> right.. and THAT is confusing... |
| 11:32:52 | adi|home | read it that way :) |
| 11:33:23 | langhaarrocker | adj|home: you need other things to confuse me. |
| 11:33:42 | adi|home | sure.. want to meet my girlfried? |
| 11:33:47 | adi|home | she confuses the fuck outta everyone |
| 11:33:50 | Zagor | fried? |
| 11:33:52 | langhaarrocker | hrgh. girls |
| 11:33:54 | adi|home | nods |
| 11:33:56 | adi|home | deep fried |
| 11:34:00 | adi|home | chicken batter |
| 11:34:06 | Zagor | hehe |
| 11:34:13 | * | adi|home smirks at the idea that she is finger licking good |
| 11:34:14 | * | adi|home ducks |
| 11:34:27 | Zagor | boo |
| 11:34:33 | * | adi|home bows |
| 11:34:42 | adi|home | okay... so.. to reiterate and beat the horse again |
| 11:34:46 | adi|home | f2 !-> f3 |
| 11:34:51 | adi|home | f3 !-> f2 |
| 11:34:58 | Ennan | Does anybody know if the play_list function from playlist.c has changed it's number of arguments in the new version? |
| 11:35:02 | adi|home | f1_menu to quickscreens is good |
| 11:35:09 | adi|home | but not f1_repeat to f2 or f3 |
| 11:35:15 | Zagor | adi|home: right |
| 11:35:18 | adi|home | nods |
| 11:35:20 | adi|home | okay.. i fix then |
| 11:35:21 | adi|home | :) |
| 11:35:24 | Zagor | goodie |
| 11:35:44 | Zagor | Ennan: define "new version". we make new versions every 20 minutes... |
| 11:35:58 | adi|home | hehehe |
| 11:36:24 | langhaarrocker | If we go bindable keys we can reuse that mechanism for quick screens and then it is less complex than doing all that switch(button) stuff. |
| 11:36:41 | Ennan | Well, that's what i don't know :) I have this patch, and it even comes with a recorder compile, so i guess it was once compilable, but know it just has to little arguments for some functions..that could never compile, right? |
| 11:37:08 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: the keys are simple. it's the screen layout that is complex. |
| 11:37:15 | Zagor | just as I've been saying the whole time... |
| 11:37:56 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: look at the patch I filed for key schemes and look at apps/recorder/screen.c . It is easy and straightforward. |
| 11:39:23 | langhaarrocker | But you must have a look at the patched apps/screens.c as well, as there the screens are configured. |
| 11:39:49 | Zagor | urg, uuencode... |
| 11:40:01 | adi|home | lol |
| 11:40:16 | langhaarrocker | I always keep doing things wrong. |
| 11:40:26 | langhaarrocker | Shall I resend it? |
| 11:40:43 | Zagor | nah, i'll manage :-) |
| 11:41:16 | langhaarrocker | Does anybod know how to make Free Agent file normal attachments? :) |
| 11:41:35 | Zagor | nope. i use normal mail programs :-) |
| 11:42:29 | Zagor | "easy and straightforward"? you took a 68 line function and turned into a 314 line module... |
| 11:42:47 | adi|home | hehehe |
| 11:43:03 | adi|home | langhaarrocker: don't feel bad.. Zagor is just anal retentive |
| 11:43:23 | langhaarrocker | And I wrote _comments_! |
| 11:43:37 | * | adi|home defends langhaarrocker's code outta spite |
| 11:43:37 | Zagor | comments are good. simple code is better. |
| 11:43:48 | adi|home | oh..Zagor.. are we putting cube.c into the tree? |
| 11:43:56 | adi|home | i can add that while im at it if you want. |
| 11:44:02 | langhaarrocker | Simple code doesn't necessarily mean little code.l |
| 11:44:04 | Zagor | nah, wait a bit |
| 11:44:08 | adi|home | k |
| 11:44:10 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: actually, it does |
| 11:44:23 | Zagor | at least my definition of "simple" |
| 11:44:31 | Zagor | (simple code, *not* simple interfaces) |
| 11:45:02 | Zagor | anyway, let's not argue about that |
| 11:45:15 | Zagor | there's plenty of other stuff to argue about :-) |
| 11:45:21 | langhaarrocker | wouldn't lead anywhere anyway |
| 11:46:20 | adi|home | hmm this has been bugging me about resume |
| 11:46:33 | adi|home | lets say resume is set for ask |
| 11:46:48 | adi|home | you play a song, shutdown, restart, say no, and shutdown again |
| 11:47:06 | adi|home | having it ask the next boot if i want to resume seems counter-intuitive to me |
| 11:47:13 | adi|home | i already said no didn't i? |
| 11:47:20 | adi|home | shouldn't it be cleared? |
| 11:47:27 | Zagor | yeah, it probably should |
| 11:47:48 | adi|home | should i look at that as well? |
| 11:47:53 | Zagor | sure |
| 11:51:01 | langhaarrocker | I like the behaviour as it is |
| 11:51:53 | adi|home | for resume you mean? |
| 11:53:01 | langhaarrocker | yes |
| 11:53:41 | adi|home | just seems illogical to me... |
| 11:53:47 | adi|home | i look at it from this perspective |
| 11:54:20 | adi|home | if i say 'yes' i am basically saying, "yes, continue where i was, and when i reboot, save my _new_ location" |
| 11:54:23 | adi|home | and when i say no "save my new location as no location to resume from" |
| 11:54:50 | * | adi|home is all for hearing your side btw :) |
| 11:55:16 | Ennan | <newbie mode> to patch i just do 'patch foobar.c foobar_diff.c' right? |
| 11:55:36 | Schnueff | patch < .. |
| 11:55:36 | langhaarrocker | theres a new faq on this. |
| 11:55:51 | Schnueff | eh yes, bette |
| 11:55:51 | Schnueff | rr |
| 11:56:36 | adi|home | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#57 |
| 11:56:39 | adi|home | check that out :) |
| 11:56:55 | adi|home | Ennan: and we're not trying to be rude |
| 11:57:01 | adi|home | just house breaking ya ;) |
| 11:57:19 | langhaarrocker | and being pround on the faq |
| 11:57:36 | adi|home | nods |
| 11:57:40 | * | adi|home puffs up his chest |
| 11:58:01 | adi|home | hey.. i claimed the title of 'Lead Project Asshole' ages ago |
| 11:58:06 | adi|home | every project needs one |
| 11:58:08 | adi|home | and i am he :) |
| 11:58:18 | Ennan | adi|home that's no prob: problem is that i don't have a "foobar.patch" file, but just a bunch of ".diff"'s |
| 11:58:37 | adi|home | ahhh okay.. we had that the other day to.. hmmm let me see one sec :) |
| 11:58:59 | langhaarrocker | adj|home: you can't outzagor Zagor. |
| 11:58:59 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 11:59:06 | adi|home | no no no |
| 11:59:13 | adi|home | he's _Code Police_ |
| 11:59:18 | PsycoXul | Ennan: same thing |
| 11:59:35 | Ennan | psycoxull: ? |
| 11:59:46 | adi|home | im 'Board bashing, stupid question stomping, miss posting, shit kicking, lollipop stealing king high muckie muck" |
| 11:59:50 | adi|home | that a bit more clear? |
| 11:59:58 | PsycoXul | Ennan: .patch and .diff are the same thing |
| 12:00 |
| 12:00:32 | Ennan | PsycoXul: That's information i need... :) lemme try |
| 12:04:05 | bobTHC | during the resume screen, the french translation is too long, scrool is possible or i chang the french screen for a sorter? |
| 12:04:22 | bobTHC | s/sorter/shorter |
| 12:04:43 | adi|home | player or rec? |
| 12:05:13 | adi|home | and its up to the french guys |
| 12:05:28 | adi|home | id say make the french translation shorter |
| 12:06:12 | adi|home | langhaarrocker: your the dissenting opinion.. you want to defend the continuous resume question thing i mentioned? |
| 12:06:17 | adi|home | i don't want to change and bug you :) |
| 12:07:24 | Ennan | PsycoXul: you know more bout patching? (or can i bug you with some q's?) |
| 12:08:40 | PsycoXul | i dunno |
| 12:08:41 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 12:08:49 | langhaarrocker | adj|home: I like that it remembers where it was even if I say "no, don't resume now". And when I reboot next time it's the same position if I didn't change the playlist. Otherwise with every accidental boot I might loose my current play list position. |
| 12:11:59 | adi|home | hmm okay... |
| 12:12:02 | adi|home | fair enough |
| 12:12:13 | adi|home | ill give it some thought for a bit... come back with some ideas |
| 12:12:24 | adi|home | loadable fonts don't work on the player correct? |
| 12:13:48 | langhaarrocker | yes |
| 12:14:51 | langhaarrocker | adj|home: when we get playlist markers and gotos and so a completely different light might be shed on this discussion. |
| 12:16:18 | adi|home | nods |
| 12:16:40 | adi|home | another option would be exactly that.. another option |
| 12:16:49 | adi|home | say 'resume ask once |
| 12:16:56 | adi|home | 'resume ask always |
| 12:16:59 | adi|home | something like that |
| 12:17:11 | langhaarrocker | yes. that's good. |
| 12:18:39 | Ennan | :( |
| 12:18:55 | langhaarrocker | no patch? |
| 12:19:27 | Ennan | langhaarrocker: just won't work...should i try to compile it with an older version of the source? |
| 12:19:46 | langhaarrocker | maybe. I have no idea. |
| 12:20:00 | Ennan | is the 1.3 somewhere on the site? |
| 12:20:00 | adi|home | ennan what patch are you trying to put in? |
| 12:20:13 | Ennan | adi:http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=44306&atid=439120&func=detail&aid=618973 |
| 12:20:31 | Ennan | queue function...i desperatly want that :) |
| 12:20:56 | adi|home | heheh okay... |
| 12:21:05 | adi|home | what are the problems you're running into? |
| 12:23:09 | Zagor | Ennan: it doesn't work like the archos queue |
| 12:26:42 | Ennan | Zagor: nope.. but it is at least something like "playlist" making :) |
| 12:26:42 | Zagor | well, remotely like it. there's a reason why it's not accepted yet. |
| 12:26:42 | Ennan | it doesn't compile :) |
| 12:26:42 | Zagor | :) |
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| 12:26:59 | NJoin | Ennan [0] (~Doe@cc53164-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 12:26:59 | NJoin | PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-44-15.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 12:26:59 | NJoin | Synthe [0] (Synthe@galt.synthe.net) |
| 12:26:59 | NJoin | Hes [0] (~hessu@hessu.zedi.sonera.fi) |
| 12:27:00 | NJoin | Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 12:29:15 | Ennan | ? |
| 12:29:20 | Ennan | that was weird |
| 12:29:30 | Zagor | it's called a netsplit |
| 12:29:37 | Ennan | :) |
| 12:29:57 | langhaarrocker | I've made the gui for a split editor -> are net splits my fault? |
| 12:30:11 | Zagor | probably :-) |
| 12:30:46 | * | langhaarrocker never gets things right |
| 12:33:01 | adi|home | that just means you're left handed |
| 12:33:29 | adi|home | i would love to know just how many ppl are usign rockbox these days... |
| 12:33:36 | | Nick LinusN|lunch is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 12:34:11 | Ennan | make a list on the homepage: ppl can put name if they use rockbox.. |
| 12:34:43 | langhaarrocker | adj|home: probably Linus knows that after all his "Player or recorder?". |
| 12:35:16 | LinusN | I have a large list :-) |
| 12:35:32 | LinusN | I am working on a statistics page |
| 12:36:03 | adi|home | k |
| 12:36:06 | Ennan | ok, i'm giving up on the patch....back to begging for impelmentation here..... :) |
| 12:36:12 | adi|home | hehehe |
| 12:36:23 | LinusN | Ennan: :-) |
| 12:36:31 | * | adi|home is away: organizing FAQ a bit |
| 12:37:32 | langhaarrocker | I was about to complain that on sf it still said that V1.3 was state of the art. I was late. :) |
| 12:37:59 | * | Ennan begs |
| 12:38:22 | * | langhaarrocker gives Ennan a vitual dime |
| 12:38:40 | Zagor | i just fixed the sf info |
| 12:39:05 | * | LinusN ignores Ennan and chuckles silently |
| 12:40:52 | Ennan | langhaarrocker: tnx, now i can buy an iPod :) |
| 12:41:10 | * | Ennan steals linusn's wallet while he's ignoring him.. |
| 12:41:11 | langhaarrocker | Spalter! |
| 12:42:13 | Bagder | Ennan: we will implement queue mode, soon enough |
| 12:42:22 | langhaarrocker | Does the iPod have a queue? |
| 12:42:31 | LinusN | Ennan: we eill implement it! Just give me my wallet back!!! |
| 12:43:09 | * | Ennan walks to langhaarrocker and magicaly takes the wallet from begind langhaarrockers back, and gives it to linusn |
| 12:43:19 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: nobody seems to know what the ipod can and cannot do |
| 12:43:22 | langhaarrocker | Ennan: but remove the money first! |
| 12:43:53 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: because everybody's hacking the jukebox. |
| 12:44:22 | Ennan | :) |
| 12:44:28 | LinusN | Yeah, those rockbox guys must be rich. everybody uses their firmware |
| 12:44:41 | bobTHC | :) |
| 12:45:33 | Ennan | no, you don't have to pay, you can donwload a crack so you can skip the registration screen |
| 12:45:43 | langhaarrocker | The size of my last patch / enhancemets was 119kB, so what's my share of the money?:) |
| 12:46:35 | Ennan | looking at the foto's, this project only costs money...so you have to pay ...20 dollar to linusn.. |
| 12:46:41 | bobTHC | near 0.000001 cents of buck |
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| 12:56:22 | * | adi|home is back (gone 00:19:50) |
| 12:56:35 | adi|home | okay.. so.. the FAQ may need to get broken up/reorganized soon |
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| 12:56:45 | adi|home | we are at 63 questions |
| 12:56:53 | Zagor | adi|home: agreed |
| 12:56:55 | Bagder | we should make it into sections or something |
| 12:57:00 | adi|home | nods |
| 12:57:03 | adi|home | im starting to do that... |
| 12:57:10 | adi|home | putting features togeather |
| 12:57:23 | adi|home | web based questions togeather (bugs/feature reports/mailling list) |
| 12:57:27 | adi|home | that sorta stuff... |
| 12:58:16 | adi|home | does the FAQ get released with the source tars? |
| 12:58:22 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:58:22 | Zagor | yes |
| 12:58:32 | adi|home | k |
| 12:59:02 | adi|home | ive got to give it some thought... |
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| 13:00:23 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: could you add the manual as pdf, too? :) |
| 13:01:12 | Zagor | i actually get requests for that |
| 13:01:42 | Bagder | it's not *that* hard to fix |
| 13:01:56 | Bagder | ps2pdf is there |
| 13:02:14 | langhaarrocker | Hm. Let me think of another unbelievable thing: I want a context sensitive help on the jukebox! :) |
| 13:03:47 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: old news |
| 13:03:52 | adi|home | do able |
| 13:04:05 | langhaarrocker | ok. I give up. |
| 13:04:08 | adi|home | but im going to need you to come to my section of NY state and blow me first |
| 13:04:12 | adi|home | hows that for fair? |
| 13:04:17 | Ennan | "you are all talking bout looking at text on your archos, but letter.doc won't read!!" |
| 13:04:27 | Zagor | haha |
| 13:04:36 | adi|home | lol |
| 13:04:49 | * | adi|home hands Ennan the 'sarcastic comment of the day' award |
| 13:05:07 | adi|home | zagor .. that resume issue i mentioned |
| 13:05:08 | * | Ennan bows "i would like to thank my mother and god and all my fans" |
| 13:05:21 | adi|home | langhaarrocker: says he likes the way it works now |
| 13:05:36 | adi|home | would you rather a. pull rank and have me change it anyways |
| 13:05:47 | adi|home | or b. add another option to either ask once, or many times |
| 13:05:48 | adi|home | ? |
| 13:05:53 | adi|home | or c. just leave it be |
| 13:06:57 | Zagor | adi|home: i'm not sure. i can understand people like it the current way, simply because it gives you more resume options. but I also agree with you that it's illogical |
| 13:07:23 | langhaarrocker | adj|home: on my behalf: do what you think is necessary. Although I like it the way it is, I'm not that keen on this feature. Usually I leave my rockbox on resume without asking anyway. |
| 13:07:24 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:07:40 | Zagor | "The Archos with Rockbox sounds much much much better than the Ipod, the so called eq settings on the Ipod are useless" |
| 13:07:50 | Zagor | interesting |
| 13:07:50 | adi|home | lol |
| 13:08:14 | adi|home | langhaarrocker: i lean on the side of flushing the resume setting.. but im all for offering ppl as many realistic options as possible |
| 13:08:16 | adi|home | posible |
| 13:08:20 | adi|home | 2 s's.. damnit |
| 13:10:54 | Zagor | "Nor can I create a directory called ".rockbox.dir" because directories with a "." are reserved for the system." gaaah, silly macs! |
| 13:11:33 | LinusN | We might need to rethink the .rockbox name... |
| 13:12:08 | adi|home | hell no |
| 13:12:19 | Bagder | the FAQ turned into pdf with a2ps and ps2pdf becomes 8 pages |
| 13:12:29 | adi|home | we shouldn't have to change the way we do things because someone buys a hermetically sealed computer that acts like handcuffs |
| 13:12:37 | Zagor | can anyone compile a win32 convbdf.exe ? |
| 13:12:47 | LinusN | never tried |
| 13:12:55 | Bagder | Zagor: yes, we should offer one for download on the fonts page |
| 13:12:58 | Zagor | Bagder: can you set that up in the Makefile? |
| 13:13:11 | Bagder | I can |
| 13:13:23 | LinusN | add the usual Rockbox trojan to it as well |
| 13:13:32 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:14:45 | Bagder | but having the FAQ as pdf is really no real point |
| 13:15:11 | Zagor | ah, right. i read that as "the manual" |
| 13:16:01 | Bagder | the manual should be written using some other format, and then generated into html or pdf or whatever |
| 13:16:08 | adi|home | fear the manula |
| 13:16:09 | * | langhaarrocker going lunch |
| 13:16:15 | * | adi|home giggles at the inside joke |
| 13:18:42 | adi|home | if i change/add a keyword to the english.lang i don't screw anything up right? |
| 13:18:58 | Bagder | add new ones last, don't remove any just blank them |
| 13:19:06 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:19:21 | adi|home | opps... need to fix that then.. i changed a few in my last english commit... |
| 13:19:51 | Schnueff | urgs |
| 13:23:51 | adi|home | okay.. just to confirm... |
| 13:24:04 | adi|home | labels that are no longer being used need to be left in the language file? |
| 13:24:08 | adi|home | and just nulled out? |
| 13:24:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:24:51 | Bagder | otherwise it'll break the binary languages |
| 13:24:57 | adi|home | k... |
| 13:25:47 | Bagder | yeah, just "" the ones not used anymore |
| 13:26:27 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:26:30 | Bagder | one day, when they get too many, we remove them all and bump the binary language version number |
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| 13:30:49 | adi|home | fair enough |
| 13:31:29 | adi|home | man tetris needs cleaning up |
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| 13:32:58 | LinusN | yup |
| 13:33:11 | LinusN | it needs a highscore table too |
| 13:34:03 | adi|home | im working ont he translation right now |
| 13:36:48 | adi|home | damn it we have snake translations and no snake game.. |
| 13:36:49 | * | adi|home sighs |
| 13:39:33 | Zagor | yellow build |
| 13:42:32 | * | Bagder gives the "I caused a yellow build" hat to Adi |
| 13:50:25 | adi|home | nods |
| 13:53:12 | adi|home | fixing |
| 13:55:05 | LinusN | Bagder: there is a convbfd.exe in my home dir on labb |
| 13:55:21 | adi|home | fixed. |
| 13:55:25 | Bagder | ok |
| 13:56:02 | adi|home | the lang really needs cleaning up... |
| 13:56:11 | LinusN | nag, nag |
| 13:56:16 | adi|home | we have stuff repeated that could easily be generaly global values |
| 13:56:23 | adi|home | damn right.. tis what i is good at |
| 13:56:54 | Bagder | Zagor: any real reason why the www/fonts stuff isn't in cvs? |
| 13:59:27 | Bagder | convbdf.exe is now available on the fonts page |
| 13:59:38 | Zagor | Bagder: no reason |
| 13:59:43 | Zagor | good |
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| 14:02:33 | Bagder | if anyone has any good pointers to font tools for BDF, we should add those there too |
| 14:02:47 | LinusN | pfaedit works |
| 14:03:06 | Bagder | any url? |
| 14:03:16 | LinusN | i think it's pfaedit.sourceforge.org |
| 14:03:25 | LinusN | .net |
| 14:07:38 | Bagder | I added a "Tools for BDF font Creation" there too |
| 14:08:04 | LinusN | i just changed language, and instead of "new language" i got "Rows 0 - Level 0" |
| 14:08:45 | adi|home | hold on with that.. im working on it... |
| 14:09:00 | adi|home | im fixing the tetris issue with translation. |
| 14:10:18 | adi|home | you got that because i screwed up the english file before.. it should be okay now.. try and update |
| 14:12:33 | Bagder | hey guys |
| 14:12:53 | Bagder | those new .lng files will crash 1.4 running software |
| 14:13:06 | adi|home | damnit.. i just said i fixed it |
| 14:13:19 | Bagder | you can't |
| 14:13:22 | * | adi|home is annoyed at himself |
| 14:13:27 | adi|home | what do you mean i can't? |
| 14:13:35 | Bagder | its really my fault |
| 14:13:46 | * | adi|home gets confuzled |
| 14:14:18 | Bagder | the language loader just loads the strings and stores the new pointers at index |
| 14:14:27 | Bagder | without checking if index is bigger than the array is |
| 14:14:35 | LinusN | ooops |
| 14:14:43 | Bagder | badness |
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| 14:21:32 | LinusN | well done Bagder |
| 14:21:59 | Zagor | so we need to boost the version |
| 14:22:08 | Zagor | so people don't load bad files |
| 14:22:17 | Bagder | right |
| 14:23:39 | Bagder | are all the .lng files in the release archive? |
| 14:23:46 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:23:52 | Zagor | except hebrew |
| 14:23:57 | Bagder | but... |
| 14:24:13 | Bagder | if we change version, we can at least cut out all the not used anymore strings |
| 14:24:22 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:25:30 | langhaarrocker | Verison boost: does that mean 1.41? |
| 14:25:39 | Bagder | no, just version boost in the language files |
| 14:25:52 | Bagder | it means version 1 => version 2 |
| 14:27:19 | langhaarrocker | What? Rockbox V2.0? |
| 14:27:30 | Bagder | no, just of the language files |
| 14:27:34 | LinusN | no, language format version 2 |
| 14:27:43 | langhaarrocker | Now I get it. |
| 14:32:40 | mbr | volunteered someone for the 12 hour clock? |
| 14:32:53 | adi|home | nope... |
| 14:33:02 | adi|home | but im hoping to take it in the next day or so if that counts |
| 14:33:09 | mbr | now someone does :) |
| 14:33:16 | mbr | I'll do it |
| 14:33:21 | Schnueff | hooray |
| 14:33:25 | mbr | :) |
| 14:33:25 | Bagder | you can even simulate it now |
| 14:33:30 | langhaarrocker | I'm a bit worried that nobody will consicer my key scheme proposal because the patch I made to demonstrate it consists of 119kb source. |
| 14:34:07 | mbr | may I commit it, when it is done? |
| 14:34:14 | Bagder | mbr: sure |
| 14:34:18 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: i will look, but not right now |
| 14:35:16 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: fine |
| 14:36:42 | LinusN | adi|home: we don't close bug reports until the next release |
| 14:41:33 | adi|home | i know |
| 14:41:36 | adi|home | just fixed it :) |
| 14:41:42 | adi|home | was tired not thinking :) |
| 14:41:57 | adi|home | duplicates are cool to close though yes? |
| 14:42:03 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:42:13 | LinusN | even delete them |
| 14:42:26 | adi|home | okay.. off to bed for a nap |
| 14:42:38 | langhaarrocker | su |
| 14:42:40 | langhaarrocker | cu |
| 14:42:42 | Bagder | night adi |
| 14:52:03 | Bagder | mbr: you're fast! ;-) |
| 14:54:06 | mbr | not really. done somethin before I asked :) |
| 14:54:12 | Bagder | hehehe |
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| 14:55:25 | Zagor | i think "clock" can be cut the strings. then the players can show them too |
| 14:55:31 | Zagor | cut from |
| 14:55:44 | Bagder | they don't have a clock |
| 14:55:52 | Zagor | ah, right :-) |
| 14:56:13 | * | Zagor crawls back under his rock |
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| 15:01:14 | LinusN | calpefrosch is under cover |
| 15:01:45 | langhaarrocker | better under conver than under Zagor's rock |
| 15:01:57 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:12:44 | calpefrosch | ha |
| 15:13:15 | calpefrosch | do you know some news about the remote input circuit. |
| 15:13:16 | calpefrosch | ? |
| 15:17:28 | LinusN | news? |
| 15:18:35 | calpefrosch | yes, about the resistor in my recorder-version. I'm a little bit angry, that archos waste 3mA current for nothing... |
| 15:19:09 | calpefrosch | not really angry ;-) |
| 15:19:15 | LinusN | i haven't followed the discussion |
| 15:19:27 | calpefrosch | oh, okey. I can tell you if you are interested |
| 15:19:56 | LinusN | is it a pullup? |
| 15:20:24 | calpefrosch | yes, in my recorder is a 1kOhm pullup, in andreas is none... |
| 15:20:57 | langhaarrocker | pullups on cmos inputs don't wast much current |
| 15:21:33 | calpefrosch | they waste if you connect a normal headphone. Then this is pulled to gnd, so we have about 3mA |
| 15:22:03 | langhaarrocker | ok, you're right. I'll shut up. |
| 15:23:04 | LinusN | does anybody else have problems reaching the F1 menu from WPS? |
| 15:23:20 | calpefrosch | sorry, I don't wanted to flout you |
| 15:23:28 | Schnueff | yes, since my unit is 8km away |
| 15:23:36 | LinusN | Schnueff: smartass :-) |
| 15:23:40 | Schnueff | :) |
| 15:23:56 | LinusN | it just hangs |
| 15:36:47 | LinusN | no BUTTON_REL when i press F1 |
| 15:37:09 | Zagor | works for me |
| 15:37:18 | LinusN | better make clean then |
| 15:39:17 | langhaarrocker | When you guys develop at serveral frontiers simultainiously (eg. filewriting and recording) - Do you use separate source trees for that? |
| 15:39:25 | LinusN | yes |
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| 15:39:33 | LinusN | i have two |
| 15:40:04 | langhaarrocker | Maybe I should go that way, too. |
| 15:40:26 | LinusN | make clean solved it :-) |
| 15:40:45 | Zagor | LinusN: gooddie |
| 15:41:12 | langhaarrocker | Assume you want to test how two things integrate with each other do you make a 3rd tree for that? |
| 15:42:07 | LinusN | we send patches to each other |
| 15:42:22 | LinusN | and yes, then i sometimes make a third tree |
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| 15:44:48 | langhaarrocker | Don't you get a hell of collisions? |
| 15:46:40 | LinusN | no |
| 15:46:49 | LinusN | why would i? |
| 15:47:02 | LinusN | i do cvs update once in a while |
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| 15:48:11 | langhaarrocker | Assume you have some *menu file with new entreis from entries from different development branches. |
| 15:49:01 | Zagor | collissions only occur if you change the same line, not just the same file |
| 15:50:01 | langhaarrocker | I know. But that can happen easily. |
| 15:50:21 | Zagor | it doesn't happen very often, actually |
| 15:50:43 | Zagor | this is where discipline enters the picture... |
| 15:55:04 | langhaarrocker | I'm not talking about reformatting stuff but about real things. Imagine you develop two games in two different (private) branches you keep up to date with cvs regularily. Now you find that both games share some common features. You can't just use cvs to solve this problem because neither branch is ready for commit. |
| 15:55:48 | Zagor | what files would collide? |
| 15:56:51 | langhaarrocker | e.g. the games_menu.c where new entries are added at the same position. (Which is an easy example that makes nearly no effort to clean out manually) |
| 15:58:15 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: i don't get it |
| 15:58:19 | Zagor | communication is very important |
| 15:58:29 | LinusN | why do you change a menu entry when you add a game? |
| 15:58:48 | Zagor | all changes are discussed, so everyone knows what will change. and everyone focus on their part, not mucking about in other things |
| 15:59:11 | LinusN | or do you merge the two games into one tree qhen you build? |
| 15:59:20 | Zagor | collisions are no big problem in real life |
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| 16:01:24 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: If both games share functionality I have to. |
| 16:01:24 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: I'm not so much talking about sharing code with other developers but developing serveral ideas myself. I wonder if it is a good technique to keep each idea in its own branch. That might avoid sending 119kb for a proof of concept demo. |
| 16:03:19 | Zagor | keeping ideas/separated is a good idea IMHO, yes |
| 16:03:28 | Zagor | ideas/code separated |
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| 16:04:01 | Zagor | small patches are preferred by most people, even just for discussion |
| 16:04:55 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: if you do that don't you run into the problem that you want to reuse code from idea A in idea B? Would you duplicate that code? |
| 16:05:47 | Zagor | that's hard to say, in general terms |
| 16:05:53 | LinusN | i would patch tree #2 with tree #2, but only the code that is shared |
| 16:06:00 | LinusN | tree #2 with tree #1 |
| 16:06:19 | Zagor | who wants to jump on the ogg request? :-) |
| 16:06:23 | LinusN | so silly |
| 16:06:29 | langhaarrocker | Nanny Ogg? |
| 16:06:31 | LinusN | send adi|home on him |
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| 16:12:23 | langhaarrocker | I can't jump at other peoples requests. I'm too busy jumping at my own. |
| 16:14:38 | LinusN | woo, here's a guy with excellent eyesight: |
| 16:14:42 | LinusN | I'd really like to read some |
| 16:14:42 | LinusN | ebooks on my archos with the text viewer, but don't want to scroll |
| 16:14:42 | LinusN | left and right. Would like to just page down. |
| 16:15:06 | LinusN | he wants to format the text files with 18 chars/line |
| 16:15:16 | langhaarrocker | Could be my own reques, too |
| 16:16:56 | langhaarrocker | But I'd have included softscrolling with up/down keys as accelerating buttons and pause as pause. |
| 16:17:18 | Zagor | how about some word wrap first? |
| 16:17:45 | langhaarrocker | I could open another source tree on that... |
| 16:18:02 | Zagor | hehe |
| 16:21:06 | langhaarrocker | But there's a reason why I hesitate is: If we go key schemes somewhen I would have to rewrite so much code I could do correctly right now. But that would be a waste if the key scheme concept I proposed goes to the dustbin. |
| 16:26:28 | LinusN | well, time to go home |
| 16:26:32 | LinusN | cu guys |
| 16:26:44 | Schnueff | cu LinusN |
| 16:26:58 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: yes, i see what you mean |
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| 16:27:51 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: do you feel you have answered the questions we had before? on things like UI, feedback etc. can you recreate the current Rockbox UI with your key scheme? |
| 16:28:16 | langhaarrocker | I believe yes. |
| 16:28:37 | langhaarrocker | But there are a lot of details which still must be discussed. |
| 16:29:16 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:29:19 | langhaarrocker | Starting with the build process, wether we want to assign special key schemes to special modules like the browser... |
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| 17:23:12 | Schnueff | good idea |
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| 18:49:53 | Aghnar | hello everyone |
| 18:50:21 | Aghnar | i wanted to know if it possible to dump the firmware of the archos |
| 18:50:56 | Aghnar | cause i have the (official) 1.28 version which doesn't exist anywhere |
| 18:51:13 | Aghnar | the latest from archos being the 1.27d |
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| 19:00:46 | Aghnar | is any one here ? |
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| 19:07:21 | xam | obviously not |
| 19:07:40 | xam | Aghnar I don't know whether you can dump it, be i guess so |
| 19:08:47 | Aghnar | yes i think it is impossible to dump it via USB :( |
| 19:09:46 | Aghnar | Xam > do you know where to find the 1.28 firmware ? |
| 19:10:19 | Aghnar | because if i have any problem with rockbox i would like to re install my 1.28 :) |
| 19:10:34 | xam | Aghnar sorry, no :( I think you can't dump via USB, but if you have filesystem write support ... |
| 19:10:45 | xam | Aghnar ??????? |
| 19:11:08 | Aghnar | yes ? |
| 19:11:09 | xam | Aghnar just delete the ajbrec.ajz file on the harddisk |
| 19:11:56 | Aghnar | ?? |
| 19:12:20 | xam | Aghnar I don't think you can screw up your archos with rockbox. At least it is VERY unlikely. And if you don't want rockbox anymore, just delete the ajbrec.ajz file and you get your original (1.28) firmware |
| 19:12:57 | Aghnar | So there is an internal firmware somewhere in ROM ?? |
| 19:13:18 | xam | Aghnar you have the Recorder, do you? |
| 19:13:25 | Aghnar | the rockbox firmware doesn't erase the archos one ? |
| 19:13:26 | xam | Aghnar yes. |
| 19:13:31 | xam | Agnhar no |
| 19:13:47 | Aghnar | yes i have it ;) |
| 19:14:02 | xam | Aghnar there is a firmware in rom, and firmware "updates" like rockbox are just on the harddisk |
| 19:14:15 | Aghnar | and it rulez da world (recorder 20 Go !!) |
| 19:14:33 | xam | Aghnar ;) I have the same, but with a 1.26 firmware |
| 19:14:53 | Aghnar | ok ok thx i thought it was a flash EEPROM firmware |
| 19:15:15 | xam | Aghnar so if you have problems with the rockbox firmware (or an update of the archos firmware), just delete the file on the archos harddisk |
| 19:15:24 | xam | Aghnar nope, its not EEPROM :) |
| 19:15:33 | Aghnar | you don't have rockbox ? |
| 19:16:33 | xam | Agnhar I just installed 1.4. It's running fine! Unfortunately no recording yet (and no creating/saving of playlists), because writing on the filesystem is not supported yet |
| 19:17:21 | xam | Agnar BTW, USB is independend on the (rockbox) firmware AFAIK, so you can always access the harddrive via USB ;) |
| 19:18:00 | xam | Agnhar I just use rockbox, because archos own firmware sucks alot ... |
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| 19:34:31 | calpefrosch | hi ! |
| 19:34:37 | radhard | Hi! |
| 19:34:55 | radhard | Already read new mails? ;) |
| 19:35:11 | calpefrosch | no... wait |
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| 19:36:05 | calpefrosch | but I managed to control the archos from my PC :-) |
| 19:36:35 | radhard | new ideas every day..... congrats! How did you do it? |
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| 19:38:36 | calpefrosch | first the 10k resistor to gnd at the basis of the ähh ( Transistor, please translate I forgot ) .. and a Programm to send the chars |
| 19:39:40 | radhard | I'm thinking about sending information back. Do you know, how fast the system timer ticks are? transistor=transistor. Wondered if you did it with hyperterm ;) |
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| 19:42:23 | calpefrosch | hehe, no. - maybe Hyperterm is really not the right program. I don't know more details about the soft/hardware |
| 19:43:42 | radhard | It's a very simple protocol, isn't it? |
| 19:45:27 | radhard | I'll rebuild and document my bidirectional circuit this evening. It's a whole mess of parts and airwire... |
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| 19:51:09 | calpefrosch | sorry, I had to write some lines... |
| 19:52:09 | calpefrosch | jes, it's very simple. |
| 19:52:23 | radhard | btw, if anybody is interested in building hardware and needs a CR2032, some SMD-buttons (similar to those in the Archos) or small THT-Buttons, I have a few spares available. |
| 19:54:41 | radhard | Do you send two bytes directly after each other? |
| 19:54:58 | calpefrosch | no, only one. |
| 19:55:37 | radhard | Hmm, the source looks like it's waiting for at least two characters. |
| 19:56:55 | calpefrosch | I don't know, because the program was just an example that I changed for testing |
| 19:57:16 | calpefrosch | so I could by that it sent my char and one other, e.g. CR/LF |
| 19:57:22 | calpefrosch | tr/by/be |
| 19:57:50 | radhard | If you send just one character, it should have worked with hyperterm. You're talking in miracles.. ;) |
| 19:58:34 | calpefrosch | you are right. I'm a little bit stressed, just excuse by "miracles" ;-) |
| 19:58:48 | radhard | I should not try to understand anybody else's source code after 2:00am :) |
| 19:59:03 | calpefrosch | better not ;-) |
| 19:59:42 | calpefrosch | so, my ToDo-List says: |
| 19:59:45 | radhard | I'll have a look. mom. |
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| 20:00:01 | calpefrosch | 1. create a programmer for PIC16F84A |
| 20:00:33 | calpefrosch | 2. build the circuit for PIC remote testing |
| 20:00:45 | calpefrosch | ( maybe 1+2 can be the same PCB ?? ) |
| 20:01:20 | radhard | Already considered AVR? You only need a cable for in-circuit-programming, np programmer necessary. But i think we talked about that, didn't we? |
| 20:01:23 | calpefrosch | 3. build the interface for IR or sony changer control ( I don't know which will be the first ) |
| 20:01:52 | calpefrosch | yes, I have some code for this sony thing - I could use it without mods... I hope |
| 20:02:08 | calpefrosch | but in the future we can talk about AVR |
| 20:02:16 | radhard | Dude, a lot of things to do for this evening ;) |
| 20:02:54 | calpefrosch | man - I have an RL, too. This is my ToDo for this month |
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| 20:03:25 | calpefrosch | I'm really slow and I have a girlfriend who wants to be Prio1 |
| 20:03:37 | radhard | I also have a spare AVR here, if you need one. with socket. Yeah, RL threatens me almost every day ;) |
| 20:04:05 | calpefrosch | so I'll need more time to build these thing. uhh, just talking silly stuff |
| 20:04:25 | * | calpefrosch slaps his mouth for talking silly stuff |
| 20:05:00 | calpefrosch | and now to something completely different |
| 20:05:00 | radhard | Just kidding. And I also like my job.... Yeah, girls always want to have top priority! |
| 20:05:21 | radhard | Looked funny ;) |
| 20:05:29 | calpefrosch | what do you do in your job ? |
| 20:05:52 | radhard | Implementing protocols, as you might guess. No joke. |
| 20:06:15 | radhard | And test and validation software, wich is much more fun! |
| 20:08:34 | calpefrosch | ahh, that's good. And you like testing software ? |
| 20:08:42 | radhard | The reactions of the hardware and software guys can be really funny, if I set up a test bench and the whole this blows up when activating "parallel mode" ;) |
| 20:09:20 | calpefrosch | haha, there are many expensive programs on the market , like Testdirektor. Is it such a tool ? |
| 20:09:42 | calpefrosch | I'm one of these "software guys". |
| 20:10:02 | radhard | That's a multitasking parallel test of different functions at once. We use self written programs and National Instruments stuff. |
| 20:10:23 | radhard | Hehe... So you know what I'm talking about... ;) |
| 20:10:45 | calpefrosch | sure, but know I'm only doing database-programming |
| 20:10:50 | calpefrosch | -k |
| 20:11:41 | radhard | -k? Is Testdirektor a windoze software test tool? |
| 20:12:49 | calpefrosch | know -k = now ;-) yes, it is for m$ software |
| 20:14:19 | calpefrosch | if you get some connectors for the archos (3.5mm, 4pol. ) can you sell me 2-3 pcs ? |
| 20:14:22 | radhard | To be honest, I'm also such a software guy, but luckily nobody tests my software. That's a great advantage... We produce electronic components, so it's embedded software I'm testing most of the time. Much like rockbox, but that one has enough testers, I think! |
| 20:15:02 | radhard | If i find them somewhere, certainly! If you find them first, please keep me informed. |
| 20:15:06 | calpefrosch | yes, it's a really cool project. Do you need some more developers ? |
| 20:15:20 | radhard | In our company? |
| 20:15:39 | calpefrosch | yes |
| 20:15:59 | calpefrosch | I cut my off from cable for my digital camera... |
| 20:17:12 | radhard | If you only had asked me a year ago... No, I'm sorry. Not at the moment. They are releasing employees in the United States and therefor cant hire anybody here. |
| 20:17:54 | radhard | ooops. Wait a minut. I'll just have a look at my digicam cable ;) |
| 20:18:26 | calpefrosch | like in my company, they want to fire about 50 people in germany. But I hope I can stay... |
| 20:19:52 | calpefrosch | I'm usinf KSirc on linux. Do you see some difference to yday ? |
| 20:20:21 | * | calpefrosch cuts the knot out of his fingers |
| 20:20:21 | radhard | I wish you good luck on this. Do you only write windows-software at your company? Pardon? |
| 20:21:32 | calpefrosch | no, we are developing java,pl/sql and vb. if you are interested, look at www.empolis.com |
| 20:22:48 | radhard | Interesting. So you already heared about .Net and object orriented database access? |
| 20:22:57 | calpefrosch | yes |
| 20:23:26 | calpefrosch | do you mean oo -access or database objects ? |
| 20:23:54 | radhard | What do you think about this? We're going to switch to .NET next year. Data Provider / SQL. |
| 20:24:51 | radhard | oo-access via data provider to an sql database. |
| 20:24:52 | calpefrosch | I think we will switch to .NET for new projects. in the moment I have no opinion to this. |
| 20:25:11 | calpefrosch | I never did something with .net |
| 20:25:35 | calpefrosch | sql server ... we are only using oracle |
| 20:25:41 | radhard | You maybe should have visited BASTA! in Frankfurt. This has been very interesting. |
| 20:26:19 | calpefrosch | I don't know BASTA! what is it ? |
| 20:26:47 | radhard | BASTA! is a developer conference. I think their website is www.basta.net or com |
| 20:27:11 | calpefrosch | maybe we should switch to a privat channel, but I have to go now. Let's talk tomorrow.. |
| 20:27:37 | radhard | np. Have a nice evening! |
| 20:27:58 | calpefrosch | same to you. and good luck with your bi-dir |
| 20:28:28 | radhard | Thanks! I'll try to document the circuit first ;) |
| 20:28:34 | calpefrosch | ok, bye |
| 20:28:38 | calpefrosch | all: bye |
| 20:29:08 | radhard | bye! |
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| 23:33:44 | lc_ | hi, |
| 23:34:03 | lc_ | there is a way to choose the language from the menu ? |
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| 23:34:34 | PsycoXul | no, choose the language file from the browser |
| 23:35:00 | PsycoXul | put it in the .rockbox dir for it to be remembered |
| 23:35:37 | lc_ | the browser does not display .rockbox |
| 23:35:56 | PsycoXul | it does if you choose "All" for the file filter |
| 23:36:29 | lc_ | ok. thanks :) |
| 23:39:03 | lc_ | another question: is there any particular (technical) reasons for not having games on jukebox 6000 ? |
| 23:39:21 | PsycoXul | the LCD's only char-cell based |
| 23:39:28 | lc_ | don't answer . blame me it's in the faq |
| 23:39:29 | lc_ | :) |
| 23:39:32 | PsycoXul | recorders have a bitmap screen, so more people are interested in doing stuff with that |
| 23:39:37 | PsycoXul | heh |
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