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00:27:40 | Namuch | anyone know how to compile the uisimulator? |
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00:41:53 | Loser11 | hello |
00:43:30 | Loser11 | anyone here? |
00:47:03 | * | norm_ wave |
00:47:04 | norm_ | s |
00:47:50 | radhard | Yep. |
00:48:47 | * | radhard is yawning |
00:50:09 | Loser11 | i just got my archos 15 |
00:50:29 | radhard | Well, congratulations! |
00:50:29 | Loser11 | is it supposed to click when it turns on? |
00:50:51 | radhard | If is possibly a noise from the HD spinning up. |
00:51:08 | Loser11 | click click click click |
00:51:19 | radhard | Some of them click, some of them scream. Hmm, sounds odd. |
00:51:20 | Loser11 | and it stays on the 3rd bar of th eboot screen |
00:51:37 | Loser11 | it only does that when i plug it into the usb slot on my comp though |
00:51:48 | radhard | No, that definitively should *not* happen. Original firmware or rockbox? |
00:51:55 | Loser11 | just got it |
00:52:04 | Loser11 | cant get it to boot up so i can change it |
00:52:14 | radhard | That was not the question. |
00:52:24 | radhard | Ok, original. |
00:52:39 | radhard | Does it boot without USB? |
00:52:56 | Loser11 | yes' |
00:53:03 | Loser11 | it says battery charging |
00:53:06 | radhard | Hmm. Batteries fully charged? |
00:53:11 | radhard | Ah, ok. How long? |
00:53:17 | Loser11 | just started |
00:53:20 | Loser11 | should i wait? |
00:53:22 | norm_ | Ahhh |
00:53:29 | radhard | Ok, then we should talk in a few hours ;) |
00:53:33 | | Nick Loser11 is now known as Platinum (Loser11@12-231-162-30.client.attbi.com) |
00:53:36 | Platinum | ok |
00:54:04 | Platinum | anyways... someone last night in here told me the recorders dont have the overcharge problem the players do is this true? |
00:54:10 | radhard | Yep. HD operation needs good batteries. They are empty when sipped. I think. |
00:54:57 | Platinum | it cant operate off of the power supply? |
00:55:03 | radhard | Shipped. I never heared of that. Since they charge awfully slow, that shouldn't be a problem ;) |
00:55:04 | Platinum | ht e dc plug in |
00:55:12 | radhard | ht e dc? |
00:55:27 | Platinum | the dc plug in into the wall |
00:55:28 | Hadaka | Platinum: the charger can't power the hd |
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00:55:34 | Platinum | ok |
00:55:38 | Platinum | hehe one last q |
00:55:39 | Hadaka | Platinum: it needs batteries as well |
00:55:50 | Platinum | does rockbox support .wma files? |
00:56:01 | radhard | Joking? |
00:56:12 | Hadaka | (don't think he is) |
00:56:44 | radhard | No. It doesn't. The mp3 is decoded with a special hardware. The processor is not even capable of handling mp3.. ;) |
00:58:00 | radhard | What a suprise tis evening! I found a free replacement of my buggy digicam download program! |
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01:00:24 | radhard | Platinum: Feel free to ask. np. |
01:02:17 | radhard | I wonder what processor the multimedia jukebox uses. Does it handle divx video by software? I think it does. Does anybody know? |
01:02:40 | norm_ | That's a good question |
01:04:57 | PsycoXul | my guess is that even if it uses a dedicated decoder chip, it's probably still powerfull enough to reprogram to do anything you might wanna do on the thing |
01:05:34 | Platinum | yeah the multimedia one is cool |
01:05:43 | Platinum | you can d/l movies from internet and play them on a tv |
01:05:55 | radhard | Maybe that one is capable to decode wma, wmf and all that stuff. |
01:06:00 | PsycoXul | personally though, i'm gonna wait for the 2nd or 3rd generation of such devices before i get one heh |
01:06:32 | radhard | I think it uses a lot of personal hd-space when converting normal divx or mpeg videos. |
01:06:46 | PsycoXul | you know, smaller, less power-hungry, but higher-capacity drives, build-in cellphone and wireless networking, etc :p |
01:07:25 | radhard | But yes, it should be a cool device. At least if they managed it to write a good firmware ;) |
01:08:42 | radhard | Yes, I'd also wait a few generations. If you have a look at what they did to their recorders and players, you should at least try before buy. |
01:09:08 | radhard | Wireless networking? Did i miss that one? |
01:09:46 | PsycoXul | ^^ speaking of features of future generations |
01:09:47 | PsycoXul | heh |
01:10:26 | radhard | Ah, ok. Just started to dribble... ;) |
01:12:05 | radhard | Uuuuah, 57600 kBps is a *really* slow download rate for digicam pictures. |
01:12:27 | PsycoXul | hmm |
01:12:34 | Triple-z | what headphone you guys use with the AJBR? |
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01:12:49 | PsycoXul | i don't have a recorder, just a player |
01:12:55 | PsycoXul | but i use sony mdr-cd280's |
01:13:08 | radhard | Aiwa, Sony or cassette. Depends. |
01:13:38 | Triple-z | hows the mdr-cd280? |
01:13:59 | PsycoXul | i use the ones that it came with if i want less-bulky ones |
01:14:08 | PsycoXul | Triple-z: they're not bad |
01:14:17 | PsycoXul | not really great either |
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01:16:04 | rad[busy] | Just have to sort some stuff an play with the cam... And make some photos of my freinds JBR-remote. |
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01:19:29 | Platinum | whats the difference between the recorder and player? |
01:20:36 | PsycoXul | recorders have bitmap screen and can record |
01:20:45 | PsycoXul | players have charcell screen and can only play |
01:20:54 | PsycoXul | recorders screen is also bigger, and it has more buttons |
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01:22:39 | Platinum | ok |
01:40:00 | Platinum | you guys suggest rockbox? |
01:44:18 | Platinum | ? |
01:45:48 | TotMacher | no |
01:45:52 | TotMacher | it is very bad |
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02:01:21 | Platinum | im being honest |
02:01:25 | Platinum | what advantages does it have |
02:02:53 | TotMacher | in mp3 resume |
02:03:17 | TotMacher | faster playlist load |
02:03:36 | TotMacher | custom font support, so you can use a smaller font |
02:03:57 | TotMacher | -> see more info on display |
02:04:15 | TotMacher | longer battery life |
02:07:47 | Platinum | ok screen is flickering and a clikcing noise is being made |
02:08:07 | Platinum | when i have the JB plugged into wall and i put usb cable in the back of it |
02:08:16 | Platinum | stays on the 3rd boot bar |
02:08:28 | Platinum | i just plugged it in 1.5 ago for the first time |
02:09:35 | Platinum | how long does it take to charge? |
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02:16:48 | rad[busy] | With the original PS about 10-11 hrs. I know, that's bad. Therefore I use my own with 11.4V, that does the job in 4-5hrs. |
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02:45:11 | Jet8810 | hey guys! |
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03:49:11 | rad[busy] | n8 @ all! |
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04:44:39 | Platinum | damnit |
04:45:05 | Platinum | anyone here? |
04:47:48 | Platinum | brb |
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05:10:57 | Platinum | anyone here? |
05:12:27 | _seb_ | not really |
05:12:42 | Platinum | you know alot about the JBr? |
05:12:48 | _seb_ | no, I have a player |
05:14:06 | Platinum | do you know anything about them though? |
05:15:22 | _seb_ | nope |
05:15:25 | _seb_ | sorry |
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05:27:51 | _seb_ | what I want to know is who the hell are these people visiting my website |
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06:31:52 | Platinum | anyone who knows some stuff about the JB in here? |
06:31:55 | mecraw | Hey, Loser! |
06:32:02 | Platinum | ok |
06:32:10 | mecraw | :) |
06:32:36 | mecraw | Sorry, just had to say it. |
06:32:37 | Platinum | its been charging for 6 hours... but when i have the power cord plugged in and i put the usb plug in it will start to boot then it will start clicking and the screen will falsh |
06:32:38 | Platinum | ?!? |
06:32:56 | Platinum | it cant turn on without power cord |
06:33:17 | mecraw | Hold the on button down for 5-10 seconds |
06:33:34 | Platinum | holding for about 15 now |
06:33:44 | Platinum | wont turn on |
06:33:48 | mecraw | you have a player? |
06:33:59 | Platinum | recorder |
06:34:26 | mecraw | are you trying to play music or use the USB? |
06:34:26 | Platinum | when i plug it in it goes through the little bar thingy then the screen says archos Jukebox recorder |
06:34:32 | Platinum | battery charging |
06:34:37 | Platinum | im trying to turn it on |
06:34:45 | mecraw | is the USB cable in? |
06:35:16 | Platinum | it starts to boot then on the second bar of the loading it starts to flicker the screen and it makes a repetitive clicking noise |
06:35:39 | mecraw | sounds like it's trying to boot |
06:35:51 | mecraw | does it boot without the charger plugged in? |
06:35:52 | Platinum | but can't? |
06:36:10 | Platinum | wont even turn on |
06:36:52 | Platinum | w/o power cord |
06:37:13 | mecraw | sounds like a hardware problem |
06:37:42 | mecraw | sorry I can't help more than that |
06:39:55 | Platinum | think its been charged long enough? |
06:40:27 | mecraw | it should definitely boot after 6 hours |
06:40:35 | mecraw | is it brand new? |
06:41:03 | Platinum | yes |
06:41:12 | Platinum | ill take it back to circuit city tomorrowe |
06:41:22 | mecraw | good plan |
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06:57:12 | Platinum | well... |
06:57:17 | Platinum | all packed up for return tomorrow |
06:57:41 | mecraw | that sucks |
06:58:02 | mecraw | just think, as soon as you install rockbox it'll be worth twice as much |
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07:03:35 | Platinum | so rockbox makes it alot better? |
07:03:55 | mecraw | as long as you're not recording |
07:04:15 | mecraw | I haven't used the stock firmware since early July |
07:06:07 | Platinum | its bad for recording? |
07:06:31 | mecraw | file writing isn't implemented yet, so it's not too useful |
07:06:50 | Platinum | but i can use it as a mobile HD? |
07:07:25 | mecraw | right, but that is done through USB |
07:07:33 | Platinum | yeah |
07:07:51 | mecraw | We can't write to files yet in the firmware |
07:08:13 | Platinum | does it still have the EQ with bass boost and stuff? |
07:08:39 | mecraw | yes |
07:09:56 | Platinum | so its not software or anything that is keeping mine from turing on |
07:10:19 | mecraw | i doubt it |
07:10:35 | mecraw | you haven't even put rockbox on it yet, right? |
07:10:40 | Platinum | it will turn on to charge... then if you hold on it starts to boot and stops at the second bar... clicks and flashes then moves to the 3rd bar and clicks and flashes until i remove the power from it |
07:10:49 | Platinum | cant get it to boot up to see it as a hard drvie on my comp |
07:11:09 | Platinum | wont turn on without power cord plugged into it |
07:11:33 | mecraw | i haven't heard of that before, have you checked the mailing list to see if someone else has seen it? |
07:11:42 | Platinum | wheres that? |
07:12:41 | mecraw | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/ |
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07:17:54 | mecraw | morning, LinusN |
07:17:55 | Platinum | how long have you had your ajb? |
07:18:04 | mecraw | Platinum: since January |
07:18:05 | Platinum | linus its loser11 from last night |
07:18:23 | Platinum | i got the AJB 15 for 179 american but its defective |
07:19:00 | LinusN | tough deal |
07:19:06 | LinusN | what is the prob? |
07:20:11 | Platinum | it will turn on to charge... then if you hold on it starts to boot and stops at the second bar... clicks and flashes then moves to the 3rd bar and clicks and flashes until i remove the power from it |
07:20:40 | Platinum | wont boot without external power and has charged for 6 hours |
07:21:06 | LinusN | woo, sounds like it's fried |
07:21:43 | LinusN | ok, first of all, replace the batteries |
07:22:13 | Platinum | how did it get fried it brand new? |
07:23:51 | Platinum | im not going to mess with it ill just take it in tomorrow for another one |
07:23:56 | Platinum | they are on super sale right now |
07:24:35 | LinusN | oh, i though you got it from ebay |
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07:26:34 | Platinum | nope |
07:26:38 | Platinum | circuit city |
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07:26:47 | LinusN | ok, then you should return it |
07:26:50 | LinusN | hi Zagor |
07:26:54 | Zagor | hi |
07:29:11 | LinusN | Zagor: are you able to reboot your recorder by holding OFF a little shorter time? |
07:29:52 | Zagor | it has never happened |
07:31:44 | LinusN | not for me either, but a lot of people are complaining |
07:33:05 | Zagor | like the guy who filed a bug because the unit didn't shut off when he wanted to. he didn't want to hold down STOP as long as is needed. |
07:34:26 | LinusN | the weird part is that they say it is a new "feature" in 1.4 |
07:38:46 | Hes | I've been able to do it, I've considered it a nice feature |
07:39:02 | Hes | the difference between too short and long enough is subtle |
07:39:21 | adi|home | so ive been thinking about it.. does anyone have any problem if i flush the resume buffer after you say no? |
07:39:26 | Hes | i've been doing it from the start |
07:40:15 | Hes | adi|home: think someone asked for a 'resume' feature which one could select from the menu later on even if he chose 'no' in the first place after bootup |
07:40:25 | Hes | Good morning, everyone. |
07:41:11 | LinusN | adi|home: i like that "feature" a lot |
07:41:18 | adi|home | woah.. on the website.. when did "Bandwidth and server sponsored by: |
07:41:21 | adi|home | get added? |
07:41:27 | adi|home | LinusN: which feature? |
07:41:33 | adi|home | the constant ask? |
07:41:44 | adi|home | or having another menu option for ask once or ask always? |
07:41:47 | LinusN | but we do have a bug that doesn't clear the resume info when reaching the end of the playlist |
07:41:59 | LinusN | adi|home: i like the constant ask feature |
07:42:16 | LinusN | but having another option may be good |
07:42:19 | adi|home | nods |
07:42:30 | adi|home | see im the oppisate.. it annoys the hell outta me :) |
07:42:46 | adi|home | ill see about adding an option.. cool? |
07:42:55 | LinusN | Zagor? opinions? |
07:43:28 | Zagor | adi|home: in what cases does it annoy you? |
07:43:48 | adi|home | if i choose to stop the player, do a reboot myself |
07:43:53 | adi|home | when it reboots and i say 'no' |
07:44:00 | adi|home | then reboot again, it asks again.. |
07:44:06 | adi|home | i find it annoying.. i already said no.. |
07:44:17 | LinusN | no means no :-) |
07:44:20 | Zagor | why do you reboot again immediately? |
07:44:30 | adi|home | okay... fine.... i shut down |
07:44:34 | adi|home | wait a day and restart |
07:44:35 | Hes | => work |
07:44:37 | adi|home | but if i say no |
07:44:39 | LinusN | Zagor: as i see it, it doesn't matter why he rebooted |
07:44:40 | adi|home | and i shutdown |
07:44:43 | adi|home | and start another day.. |
07:44:47 | adi|home | it asks again still |
07:44:51 | adi|home | when i already said no ;) |
07:45:11 | Zagor | yeah, but "no" doesn't necessarily mean "never". |
07:45:18 | adi|home | it does to me |
07:45:21 | Zagor | resume is for resuming the last point you played |
07:45:29 | adi|home | no doens't nec. mean 'ask me again later' either :) |
07:45:39 | Zagor | not necessarily the last point you shut down |
07:45:46 | adi|home | right.. but if i don't want to resume... and i say no, STOP asking me :) |
07:45:59 | mecraw | adi|home: do you stop before shutting down? |
07:46:06 | adi|home | not always |
07:46:18 | LinusN | adi|home: there is a reason we call the settings "persistent" :-) |
07:46:20 | Platinum | sorry to interupt but may i ask the proper way to hook up and remove your ajbr from the usb? |
07:46:23 | adi|home | sometimes is a power failure, or my player whigging out.. (it has issues) |
07:46:24 | Platinum | i dont wanna mess mine up |
07:46:30 | LinusN | Platinum: windows? |
07:46:33 | adi|home | Platinum: what os? |
07:46:59 | Platinum | original at first then im going to install rockbox |
07:47:10 | mecraw | Zagor: doesn't hitting stop, without shutting down, set the resume index to -1? |
07:47:22 | Zagor | mecraw: yes |
07:47:24 | adi|home | mecraw thats not the point |
07:47:33 | adi|home | the point is.. if i say _no_ and go in an play a game |
07:47:42 | adi|home | next time i turn the unit on, I don't want to be asked again |
07:47:53 | LinusN | mecraw: it sets it to -1, but it isn't saved until the disk spins up again |
07:47:57 | LinusN | on players |
07:47:59 | Zagor | adi|home: most users would consider that a feature, not a nuicance :-) |
07:48:10 | Platinum | yes im running windows |
07:48:24 | LinusN | Zagor: actually, i was annoyed at first, but i have begun to like it |
07:48:35 | LinusN | Platinum: there should be a USB icon in the system tray |
07:48:46 | Zagor | i think we will get complaints if we remove this behaviour |
07:48:47 | LinusN | select "safely remove" from there |
07:48:52 | Platinum | ok |
07:49:00 | adi|home | see.. im the oppisate... it progressively driving me more nuts :) |
07:49:14 | LinusN | adi|home: then we have succeeded |
07:49:17 | adi|home | lol |
07:49:19 | mecraw | i thought you were already nuts, adi|home |
07:49:42 | Platinum | not to be ignorant but system tray is in lower right corner? |
07:49:46 | adi|home | i am.. and i don't need this constant reminder |
07:50:36 | Platinum | not to be ignorant but system tray is in lower right corner?!?!?!? |
07:50:43 | Zagor | Platinum: yes |
07:50:47 | Platinum | ok |
07:51:07 | Platinum | and to hook it up just put usb cord into ajbr no snazzy tricks? |
07:51:11 | adi|home | would you guys settle for Yes | No | Ask Once | Ask Always ? |
07:51:14 | adi|home | or something like that? |
07:51:21 | Zagor | Platinum: yup |
07:51:28 | Platinum | ok thanks for all your help guys |
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07:51:44 | LinusN | Yes|No|Ask Once|Annoy me |
07:51:56 | adi|home | hehe i like that oppition |
07:51:59 | LinusN | Harass Mode On |
07:52:12 | mecraw | adi|home: how about 'Never Clear Resume'? |
07:52:22 | adi|home | too long |
07:52:28 | Zagor | adi|home: i think i'd like that. but then we need to change the STOP behaviour to not clear resume info on "ask always" |
07:52:29 | adi|home | be nice to keep it < 11 |
07:52:32 | mecraw | i'd like to be able to resume even after i have hit stop |
07:52:53 | adi|home | i can look into that... |
07:52:58 | adi|home | let me see what I can come up with |
07:53:36 | LinusN | Zagor: we don't clear the resume info when we reach "end of list", do we? |
07:53:45 | mecraw | i won't need it as soon as we can bookmark playlists |
07:53:58 | * | mecraw looks wishfully towards Zagor :) |
07:54:22 | Zagor | LinusN: no we don't |
07:54:28 | Zagor | we should |
07:54:39 | adi|home | umm.. bug in english.lang |
07:54:40 | LinusN | just set resume index to -1? |
07:54:45 | Zagor | LinusN: yup |
07:54:48 | adi|home | check out LANG_BACKLIGHT_ON |
07:54:53 | adi|home | only a desc there |
07:54:56 | adi|home | no eng: or new: |
07:55:16 | LinusN | Zagor: that's a tough one |
07:55:24 | LinusN | only wps handles that case |
07:56:14 | Zagor | ..and? |
07:56:44 | Zagor | wps already updates running resume info |
07:56:55 | LinusN | i just found another related bug |
07:57:07 | adi|home | should i fix the english.lang or what? |
07:57:17 | LinusN | the status bar doesn't update if we reach end-of-list when in the browser |
07:57:30 | Zagor | adi|home: yes |
07:57:31 | LinusN | we need a callback or something |
07:57:33 | adi|home | k |
07:57:36 | LinusN | from the mpeg thread |
07:57:39 | Zagor | LinusN: hmm |
07:57:43 | LinusN | or poll the mpeg status regularly |
07:57:58 | LinusN | the play icon is stuck now :-( |
07:58:19 | Zagor | status.c should poll mpeg status by itself |
07:59:00 | LinusN | Zagor: it's not only the status |
07:59:10 | LinusN | the resume info is only saved when in wps |
07:59:21 | Zagor | right |
07:59:26 | LinusN | silly |
07:59:55 | LinusN | how to solve this? |
08:00 |
08:00:02 | LinusN | we want independent resume saving |
08:00:13 | LinusN | i smell a callback, or a poll |
08:00:57 | Zagor | ugh |
08:02:12 | Zagor | semms we need a message queue from the mpeg thread |
08:02:58 | LinusN | or something |
08:03:35 | LinusN | i think allowing the mpeg thread to post to the button queue would do the job |
08:06:33 | Zagor | why mix up buttons and mpeg messages? |
08:08:28 | LinusN | because that is the queue that all UI threads listen to |
08:09:12 | Zagor | exactly. so we need to have this mpeg code spread out all over. |
08:09:17 | LinusN | we can of course add a resume thread, but that seems overkill |
08:09:38 | Zagor | i prefer a dedicated queue. it can handle the id3 "callback" too. |
08:09:53 | LinusN | who listens to that queue? |
08:10:02 | Zagor | a new thread |
08:10:03 | adi|home | to turn off the resume on the one time attempt... |
08:10:17 | adi|home | does it make sense to just set resume = ASK_NO? |
08:10:20 | LinusN | Zagor: ok, so a new thread it is |
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08:10:48 | LinusN | morning matsl |
08:10:54 | matsl | morrn |
08:11:08 | Zagor | adi|home: no, that makes it resume without asking... |
08:11:40 | adi|home | okay.. so how do i turn resume off? |
08:12:01 | Zagor | adi|home: set resume_index = -1 |
08:12:07 | adi|home | okay |
08:13:24 | adi|home | should i just leave the opitons as ask and ask once? |
08:13:31 | adi|home | would that make more sense? |
08:13:47 | adi|home | rather then ask always and ask once? |
08:14:23 | Zagor | yes, that seems good |
08:15:06 | adi|home | k |
08:15:35 | LinusN | Zagor: add the resume issue to the TODO |
08:15:42 | LinusN | i can't write to that file |
08:15:49 | Zagor | yup |
08:20:33 | adi|home | ummm in english.lang |
08:20:37 | adi|home | id: LANG_BACKLIGHT_ON |
08:20:37 | adi|home | desc: in settings_menu, |
08:20:40 | adi|home | was what it was |
08:20:50 | adi|home | i changed it to: |
08:20:52 | adi|home | id: LANG_BACKLIGHT_ON |
08:20:52 | adi|home | desc: in settings_menu |
08:20:52 | adi|home | end: "" |
08:20:52 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK adi|home |
08:20:52 | adi|home | new: |
08:21:00 | adi|home | and now make is bitching about missing a quote? |
08:21:11 | Zagor | end: ? |
08:21:20 | adi|home | doh.. thank you :) |
08:21:41 | adi|home | we need a better error message for that then missing quote :) |
08:21:56 | Zagor | hehe |
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08:23:41 | LinusN | yo Bagder! |
08:23:52 | Bagder | hey ho |
08:25:49 | Schnueff | moin |
08:29:57 | LinusN | Zagor: your recorder HW is interesting |
08:30:13 | Zagor | unusual? |
08:30:17 | LinusN | it's breaking a perfect pattern :-) |
08:30:26 | Zagor | haha |
08:30:32 | LinusN | can you double check the hw info? |
08:31:32 | Zagor | sue |
08:31:33 | Zagor | sure |
08:33:36 | Zagor | ROM 1.24, Mask 0x0102, USB+, ATA 0x200, PR+, Freq 11.0592 |
08:34:30 | LinusN | Zagor: ok, my info was incorrect |
08:34:36 | Zagor | ah |
08:35:10 | LinusN | still, you have a different mask than i do |
08:35:16 | Zagor | yup |
08:35:16 | LinusN | i have 0x302 |
08:35:28 | LinusN | i wonder what that bit tells us |
08:35:43 | Zagor | 0x200 is the bit for "silly harddisk power circuit" ;) |
08:35:51 | LinusN | maybe |
08:35:59 | LinusN | is your LCD dark at 32? |
08:36:00 | Bagder | wow, there's a guy in Sierra-Leone who needs my help and money! ;-) |
08:36:08 | LinusN | Bagder: help him! |
08:44:22 | LinusN | Zagor: can you think of any other differences between your unit and mine? |
08:44:35 | Zagor | the noise |
08:44:42 | LinusN | yes |
08:44:57 | LinusN | Bagder: do you have any noise? |
08:45:10 | Bagder | what kind of noise? |
08:45:25 | LinusN | the white kind, in the background |
08:45:35 | Bagder | not that I've noticed, no |
08:46:01 | LinusN | we'll have to compare at lunch today |
08:46:32 | Bagder | me have lunch at home today |
08:46:36 | LinusN | ah |
08:47:36 | LinusN | from a private email: |
08:47:40 | LinusN | "Unit made continual clicking noise while it was charging" |
08:47:49 | Bagder | ! |
08:47:49 | LinusN | (recorder) |
08:49:02 | LinusN | what about the remote control bug report? |
08:49:12 | LinusN | Have you tried the remote lately, Zagor? |
08:49:44 | Zagor | nope |
08:49:53 | Zagor | will test now |
08:50:20 | LinusN | Bagder: what keys for F1-F3 in the sim? |
08:50:29 | Zagor | works fine |
08:50:40 | Bagder | /, *, - |
08:50:52 | LinusN | thx |
08:51:35 | Zagor | i renamed the irc logs *.txt so now google index those too. neato. |
08:52:05 | Bagder | I tried the html version of today's changelog , worked |
08:52:09 | LinusN | the sim and the target display don't have the same aspect :-( |
08:52:26 | LinusN | i have 1600x1200 on my pc |
08:52:35 | Zagor | LinusN: of course not |
08:52:36 | Bagder | LinusN: change resolution ;-) |
08:52:48 | LinusN | Zagor: Bagder claimed they had |
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08:52:57 | bobTHC | hi all |
08:53:01 | LinusN | yo |
08:53:01 | Bagder | I said I thought they had |
08:53:08 | Bagder | the diff is very small anyway |
08:53:21 | LinusN | no it isn't |
08:53:30 | bobTHC | you always want my HW info linus? |
08:53:39 | Zagor | it's different hardware, of course it differs |
08:53:39 | LinusN | my PC pixels are almost square shaped |
08:53:44 | Bagder | well, its small to me |
08:53:47 | Zagor | LinusN: that's your choice |
08:53:48 | LinusN | and the LCD has 4:3 |
08:54:03 | adi|home | somethng weird is going on... |
08:54:06 | LinusN | bobTHC: i think i have it |
08:54:08 | adi|home | on the resume check.. |
08:54:20 | adi|home | i set resume_index to -1 if resume_ask_once is set |
08:54:27 | adi|home | i say no. |
08:54:36 | adi|home | go to the browswer, then reboot... |
08:54:37 | bobTHC | yep but yesterday u said have odd result to verify, no? |
08:54:43 | LinusN | ah, yes |
08:54:49 | LinusN | please report |
08:54:50 | PsycoXul | why am i put in the root directory every time i reach the end of my dir/playlist? it used to go to where i started it from, and that would make more sense to me [this is with follow playlist off, btw] |
08:54:52 | adi|home | and i get asked again, i check global_settings.resume_index and its _not_ -1? |
08:55:10 | adi|home | ideas |
08:55:11 | adi|home | ? |
08:55:27 | LinusN | PsycoXul: because you resumed, no? |
08:55:38 | PsycoXul | not this time, no |
08:55:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
08:56:06 | PsycoXul | thats usualy how it goes, but i haven't shut down or anything since i started it this time but it still put me to the root |
08:57:05 | LinusN | i am testing now |
08:57:18 | LinusN | it went back to the dir where the playlist is |
08:57:31 | bobTHC | ROM 1.18 |
08:57:31 | bobTHC | MAsk : 0x0002 |
08:57:31 | bobTHC | USB : Neg |
08:57:31 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK bobTHC |
08:57:31 | bobTHC | ATA : 0x300 |
08:57:31 | bobTHC | PR : Neg |
08:57:32 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
08:57:32 | bobTHC | freq : 11.0592mhz |
08:57:34 | bobTHC | version display @startup : 1.17i |
08:57:38 | PsycoXul | well i haven't tested with a playlist, just dir play |
08:57:47 | LinusN | bobTHC: last time your mask was 0x0003 |
08:57:49 | PsycoXul | the only playlist i've got is 3062 tracks long so i don't reach the end of it heh |
08:58:19 | LinusN | you said dir/playlist |
08:58:48 | PsycoXul | sorry heh |
08:58:53 | LinusN | i just tried in a dir, same thing |
08:58:58 | PsycoXul | weird |
08:59:04 | LinusN | it went back to the dir |
08:59:15 | LinusN | tell me how to reproduce it |
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09:00:34 | PsycoXul | if it's not doing it for you, don't worry about it... if it does it again i'll update my build and look to see if i've mucked anything up somehow too |
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09:02:05 | PsycoXul | oh btw is it possible to make an alternative to shutting off players? like standby mode where timers/clocks and such could run but uses very little power? |
09:02:41 | Bagder | the cpu has a standby mode for that |
09:03:01 | Bagder | but I don't think we can wake it up again nicely |
09:05:14 | bobTHC | the bleeding edge is sure or unstable (new fat32 code in particular) ??? |
09:05:25 | LinusN | and the old players can't shut down the HD |
09:05:27 | Bagder | there's no new fat code in use |
09:05:28 | Zagor | bobTHC: there is no new fat32 code, only test code |
09:05:38 | bobTHC | ok.. thx |
09:05:45 | LinusN | that test code is not in the build |
09:06:18 | adi|home | hehe i have to give ppl on the boards credit.. they are good at making archos converts ;) |
09:07:10 | Zagor | adi|home: you haven't been to slashdot or arstechnica then? they don't even know the archos exists :-) |
09:07:27 | Bagder | or tomshardware |
09:07:33 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
09:07:44 | Zagor | yeah, there to |
09:07:46 | Zagor | too |
09:07:46 | LinusN | silly ipod zealots |
09:08:01 | LinusN | or nomad junkies |
09:08:02 | adi|home | heheh |
09:08:17 | adi|home | i lost respect for a majority of /. posters ages ago.. yo should know that... |
09:08:59 | adi|home | has there been any discussion of Rockbox on /. ars or toms since our initial release? |
09:09:01 | Zagor | "Does anyone know of a hardrive based player at least 5GB with ethier USB or Firewire connectivity, mounts as a removeable drive when connected, and allows you to copy mp3 and playlist (m3u or pls) files TO and FROM it?" And nobody will tell the guy it exists, they only harp on about how there are nice tools for the iPod... |
09:09:43 | Zagor | adi|home: no |
09:10:23 | adi|home | lol |
09:10:28 | adi|home | you have a link to that Zagor? |
09:10:54 | Zagor | http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=174096756&m=7200991635&r=7200991635 |
09:10:59 | Zagor | scroll down a bit |
09:11:59 | Bagder | but it doesn't have SB1394 ;-P |
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09:16:19 | adiamas | damnit.. friggin provider |
09:16:38 | adiamas | zagor.. im working on the resume_once issue. |
09:16:55 | adiamas | i get to the ask screen, i confirm that we are doing ask_once, and set resume_index to -1 |
09:16:57 | adiamas | i reboot |
09:17:02 | adiamas | and resume_index is set to 0 |
09:17:05 | adiamas | ideas? |
09:17:10 | LinusN | adiamas: player? |
09:17:15 | adiamas | recorder |
09:17:18 | LinusN | hmmm |
09:17:26 | Zagor | adiamas: you need to call settings_save() |
09:17:32 | adiamas | i mean.. if i don't do a play again.. is resume_index getting set? |
09:17:35 | LinusN | adiamas: do you save the settings? |
09:17:43 | adiamas | ah.. hmmm is that/will that be expensive? |
09:17:49 | Zagor | no |
09:17:58 | LinusN | expensive? you have to! |
09:17:59 | adiamas | k |
09:18:08 | Zagor | it saves to RTC and flags a save to disk at next disk access |
09:18:16 | adiamas | got ya |
09:21:05 | Zagor | "My iPod freezes up every so often, I reboot by holding down play and menu for a few seconds." |
09:21:19 | adiamas | sweet.. it works.. thanks |
09:21:23 | Zagor | reading non-apple ipod forums is enlightening :-) |
09:21:28 | Zagor | adiamas: goodie |
09:21:40 | adiamas | anyone wanna test before i commit? |
09:22:08 | Zagor | did you fix the STOP thing too? |
09:22:14 | adiamas | no... |
09:22:17 | adiamas | one step at a time |
09:22:19 | adiamas | :) |
09:22:23 | Zagor | ok, np |
09:22:25 | adiamas | stop is next if i can do it |
09:22:34 | adiamas | sim works.. im testing rec now |
09:24:30 | adiamas | sweet... |
09:32:47 | adiamas | lol |
09:32:54 | adiamas | who wants to see a pilots eye test? |
09:35:25 | Zagor | check it in if it seems to work |
09:35:34 | adiamas | i did.. |
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09:36:15 | Bagder | what does it do? |
09:36:35 | Bagder | "ask once" is not exactly clear to me |
09:36:38 | adiamas | what does what do? |
09:36:48 | adiamas | no worse then ask ;) |
09:37:02 | Bagder | I disagree |
09:37:02 | adiamas | it lets ask, only ask once |
09:37:07 | adiamas | if you say no, it don't ask again |
09:37:10 | adiamas | so it only asks once |
09:37:12 | Bagder | ah |
09:37:14 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 36 minutes and 39 seconds at the last flood |
09:37:14 | * | adiamas shrugs |
09:37:22 | Bagder | so it switches off the resume if no? |
09:37:26 | adiamas | nods |
09:38:01 | adiamas | we can always pull it out later, but right now the ask (always) was annoying the hell outta me |
09:38:15 | Bagder | why? |
09:38:49 | Bagder | I have a hard time grapsing the use case for this |
09:41:41 | adiamas | beacuse if i say no, i don't want to be asked again |
09:41:41 | adiamas | i already said no |
09:42:11 | Bagder | right, but shouldn't you switch off resume then? |
09:43:28 | adiamas | no |
09:43:29 | LinusN | Bagder: turn on the unit, it asks "resume", you say "no", and turn the unit off |
09:43:44 | LinusN | then you don't want to be asked again |
09:43:55 | adiamas | bagder i love resume, because my unit is flakey |
09:43:57 | Bagder | yes, but people who do that won't have that setting on ask once in the first place anyway |
09:44:13 | LinusN | Bagder: elaborate |
09:44:48 | Bagder | you're leaning on a very limited scenario that won't happen very frequently for any user |
09:45:03 | Bagder | the user who may want this, wants resume ASK in all other cases |
09:45:03 | LinusN | and...? |
09:45:11 | Bagder | and thus, in this odd case, it'll not do right anyway |
09:45:18 | adiamas | why not? |
09:45:19 | Bagder | just my thoughts |
09:45:25 | adiamas | bagder follow this logic |
09:45:28 | LinusN | Bagder: why wouldn't it do it right? |
09:45:31 | Bagder | because users won't select "ask once" |
09:45:37 | adiamas | i choose ask once |
09:45:40 | LinusN | Bagder: why woudln't they? |
09:45:42 | adiamas | my unit crashes |
09:45:46 | adiamas | i reboot, it asks, i say no |
09:45:50 | Bagder | I just don't think they'll do that |
09:45:51 | adiamas | then i play another song |
09:45:58 | LinusN | adiamas: most units don't crash |
09:46:02 | Bagder | people will think they want "ask" |
09:46:07 | adiamas | when i shut down... the next reboot it -will- ask me to resume.. and i will say yes |
09:46:23 | adiamas | LinusN: crash/reboot/batteries die |
09:46:25 | adiamas | whatever |
09:46:28 | adiamas | unit shuts down |
09:46:55 | adiamas | Bagder: yeah and? |
09:47:02 | adiamas | i still don't get you. |
09:47:02 | Bagder | and? |
09:47:10 | Bagder | and therefore, we add an option people won't use nor understand |
09:47:14 | Schnueff | is it 'ask once for the same resume point' ? |
09:47:15 | adiamas | no |
09:47:27 | adiamas | just an option that ppl who don't read or ask questions get |
09:47:31 | Schnueff | but ask again if it is another resume point? |
09:47:33 | adiamas | like nearly every other option we have |
09:47:34 | LinusN | Bagder: the user who gets annoyed by the repeated asking will understand |
09:47:38 | adiamas | right Schnueff |
09:47:41 | LinusN | the others will just select "ask" |
09:47:59 | adiamas | if you play a diff song after saying 'no' then the resume is back on |
09:48:17 | Bagder | I would actually rather have two options for the resume questions |
09:48:25 | Bagder | one "no" and one "disable" |
09:48:32 | Bagder | except for yes, that is |
09:48:37 | adiamas | huh? |
09:48:47 | LinusN | "disable" will certainly confuse people |
09:48:52 | adiamas | thats 3 options |
09:48:56 | Bagder | that's 3 yes |
09:48:59 | Bagder | the point being |
09:49:10 | Bagder | that people won't know they want this before this happens |
09:49:22 | Bagder | and then they don't have the option set right |
09:49:42 | adiamas | why do you keep saying 'not set right' |
09:49:43 | Bagder | of course all this is my guessing |
09:49:48 | adiamas | what is "not set right"? |
09:50:06 | Bagder | not set in a way that causes the behavior they'd expect or want |
09:50:52 | adiamas | im still not getting you dude.. |
09:50:56 | adiamas | when i first used ask |
09:51:05 | adiamas | i only expected it to ask _once_ so who's failure is that? |
09:51:13 | adiamas | and i know im not the only person that did that |
09:51:28 | adiamas | that wasn't the 'behaviour' i expected ;) |
09:51:32 | Bagder | right |
09:51:36 | adiamas | nor is it what i 'want' :) |
09:51:41 | adiamas | so i put in what i want |
09:51:43 | Bagder | but the problem might not be the resume options |
09:51:54 | adiamas | but it is |
09:52:00 | Bagder | in your eyes, yes |
09:52:08 | adiamas | i don't want to be asked repeatedly if i want to resume at the song i was last at |
09:52:19 | Bagder | right |
09:52:30 | adiamas | okay.. so we agree.. |
09:52:37 | adiamas | where's your issue with this option then? |
09:52:46 | Bagder | I think its at the wrong place |
09:53:07 | adiamas | and where pray tell would you have an option releating to resume? |
09:53:15 | Bagder | when the user realizes he wants this, the option is not there to select |
09:53:26 | adiamas | ? |
09:53:37 | Bagder | the user realizes this when he gets the question |
09:53:41 | Schnueff | is there already a feature request to resume in pause mode? so i can have a look at the WPS to see where i would resume before playing? :) |
09:53:43 | Bagder | "resume?" |
09:54:23 | adiamas | so what your saying is you would rahter have 'No' 'Yes' 'No fuck off only ask me this time' |
09:54:29 | Bagder | yes |
09:54:33 | adiamas | as options to be selected when the question gets asked? |
09:54:55 | adiamas | okay, so: "no" "yes" "disable"? |
09:54:59 | Bagder | it makes it harder to fit on screen though |
09:55:10 | Bagder | for players |
09:55:28 | LinusN | "disable" is not a very good word |
09:55:51 | LinusN | it implies that you disable the resume option |
09:56:02 | LinusN | i.e turn it off |
09:56:15 | adiamas | right.. im just trying to figure out what bagder would rather have |
09:56:31 | Bagder | isn't that practicly what you do then? |
09:56:43 | Bagder | when does it ask again otherwise? |
09:56:55 | adiamas | sort of.. but i think providing a 3rd answer at the boot would provide more confusion |
09:57:15 | adiamas | because 90% of users just want ask constant. |
09:57:32 | adiamas | i don't think they should be troubled with what the 10% nec. want |
09:57:33 | Bagder | ok, so explain to me how "ask once" is not a disabled resume when you say no |
09:58:03 | Bagder | hm, ok I get it |
09:58:08 | LinusN | Bagder: disabling resume means "turn it off and never resume anything again" |
09:58:15 | adiamas | nods |
09:58:20 | LinusN | that's noit what he wants |
09:58:24 | adiamas | this is more of "turn off resume until i play another song" |
09:58:27 | Bagder | how do you know ;-) |
09:58:42 | adiamas | because we talked about it before you butted your big nose in ;) |
09:58:44 | LinusN | i am psychic |
09:58:47 | * | adiamas pokes Bagder in the chest |
09:58:48 | Bagder | hehe |
09:59:46 | Bagder | I still think a third option to the resume question is better |
09:59:52 | adiamas | heheh this guys blasts archos.. then finishes his post with |
09:59:57 | adiamas | "The Rockbox hacked firmware project *is* pretty cool, and I like the fact that it's relatively easy to swap in a new HD, but all in all I cannot recommend an Archos unit." |
10:00 |
10:00:19 | LinusN | adiamas: where? |
10:00:23 | Zagor | arstechnica |
10:00:36 | LinusN | ah, why wouldn't he recommend it? |
10:00:41 | adiamas | well.. how about this.. if we get question(s) about 'what is ask once' then we'll go to 3 options on ask screen.. hows that.. |
10:00:43 | Zagor | i notice many people have a hard time grasping the concept that there are several archos models. |
10:00:54 | adiamas | I bought an Archos Jukebox 20. Terrible experience. It's just a shoddy unit −− cheaply put together, and apt to fail. Mine decided after a couple months to shut off if I touched it in the wrong place. And if you browse the Archos Yahoo Group, you'll see lots more issues, including how Archos actually included a power supply that's apt to ruin your unit after several months of use. Mine now can't recharge batteries in-unit; |
10:00:54 | adiamas | nd use an external charger. Did I mention pulling and re-inserting the batteries repeatedly has now loosened the spring contacts to the point where it frequently won't get a good connection without fiddling? |
10:01:44 | LinusN | "and repeatedly driving my car into a wall wrecks it" |
10:02:03 | adiamas | lol |
10:06:05 | LinusN | reputation is everything |
10:06:38 | LinusN | it takes just a few disappointed loudmouths to ruin a products reputation |
10:06:58 | Zagor | yup |
10:07:08 | Bagder | Zagor: all cvs logs now have HTML versions as well, just waiting for you tweaking your scripts and css |
10:07:40 | Zagor | ok |
10:08:09 | Bagder | and I'll change the build-table generation script when we think the html looks good enough |
10:08:32 | Bagder | just change .txt to .html on the last ones |
10:09:36 | Zagor | "the buffer overrun bug on the iPod −− your iPod's hard drive will spin continuously since it can't fit the entire track (album in your case) into it's buffer, drastically cutting your battery life." |
10:09:51 | Bagder | bwahahaha |
10:09:59 | * | Zagor is scouring the net for ipod gossip :-) |
10:10:15 | Zagor | that was from february, so it might be fixed now |
10:10:56 | Zagor | there seems to be a lot of freeze issues. they even have a reset key combo... |
10:12:53 | Zagor | there are no sound settings other than volume |
10:12:55 | adiamas | http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/02q2/020627/mp3-01.html |
10:13:01 | adiamas | god damn.. that thing is UGGGGGLY |
10:13:12 | Zagor | hehe |
10:15:50 | adiamas | okay.. so what was the stop / resume issue? |
10:16:38 | Zagor | i'm cool with just a fourth resume option |
10:16:54 | adiamas | ? |
10:17:01 | Zagor | ah, sorry, wrong topic :) |
10:17:05 | adiamas | nods |
10:17:06 | adiamas | hehehe |
10:17:28 | adiamas | on the website.. roadmap |
10:17:34 | adiamas | can i remove the 1.4 info? |
10:17:45 | Zagor | sure |
10:18:23 | adiamas | okay.. so what was the stop issue? |
10:19:12 | Zagor | well i was thinking maybe we shouldn't set resume_index to -1 when we press stop. but i'm not sure about that. |
10:20:11 | adiamas | hmm.. well... why would you not want to set it to -1? |
10:20:28 | Zagor | to be able to resume |
10:20:28 | adiamas | i mean.. i have my opion about about it |
10:20:46 | adiamas | right.. but you're not playing anything that can be 'resumed' |
10:20:56 | Zagor | you were... |
10:21:09 | adiamas | to me, resume implies that you are in a song and shutdown |
10:21:21 | adiamas | but if you stop. you're not playing anymore |
10:21:29 | adiamas | though.. hmm.. 'off' is stop on recorder |
10:21:41 | adiamas | and you need to hold 'off' to shutdown, so 'stop' happens first right now |
10:21:50 | Zagor | it was just an idea. ignore it for now. |
10:22:11 | adiamas | nods okay |
10:22:21 | adiamas | see to that the resume info is saved not only in the wps screen |
10:22:25 | adiamas | whats that on the todo? |
10:23:53 | Zagor | it's a bit more complex |
10:24:18 | Zagor | we need to set up a thread to handle resume storage when we are playing music while being in the browser |
10:25:41 | adiamas | well isn't the mp3 thread aware of the settings structure? |
10:25:46 | Zagor | no |
10:25:53 | adiamas | ah, i thought it was. |
10:26:07 | adiamas | how does creating another thread help? |
10:26:15 | adiamas | would it detect when a new mp3 is played? |
10:26:19 | adiamas | then save settings |
10:26:39 | Zagor | no, it would wait on a queue that the mpg thread posts too |
10:26:46 | Zagor | tp |
10:26:47 | Zagor | to |
10:26:50 | Zagor | ugh |
10:27:59 | adiamas | what do you mean posts to? |
10:28:19 | adiamas | what does the mpg thread put on the queue? |
10:28:31 | adiamas | and im assuming you mean a queue as in data structure |
10:28:48 | Zagor | well it's a message queue |
10:29:02 | Zagor | it's used sort of instead of signals |
10:29:09 | Zagor | to communicate between threads |
10:36:29 | adiamas | got ya.. |
10:36:39 | adiamas | and the threads poll ont he queue to see if there is data? |
10:36:46 | Zagor | yes |
10:36:57 | adiamas | how does a thread lay claim to the data? |
10:37:03 | adiamas | and still be thread safe as it were |
10:37:27 | Zagor | you wait on the queue, and then you get the message. |
10:37:37 | Zagor | there is no race |
10:37:43 | adiamas | right.. but couldn't 2 threads wait on the same queue? |
10:37:57 | LinusN | yes they could, but they don't |
10:38:06 | adiamas | how do we ensure that? |
10:38:12 | LinusN | one consumer per queue |
10:38:24 | Zagor | we don't need to ensure that. we write the code. |
10:38:41 | adiamas | you check if anyone else is a consumer, if not you claim it |
10:38:43 | adiamas | right? |
10:38:46 | Zagor | no |
10:39:06 | Zagor | i know that noone else is using this queue. i wrote the code. |
10:39:18 | Zagor | checking code is only good for code you dont a) write or b) know |
10:39:29 | adiamas | ok.. let me see if im with you... |
10:39:39 | adiamas | 1. there is an queue to data between threads |
10:39:47 | Zagor | many |
10:39:53 | LinusN | the mpeg thread creates an info_queue |
10:39:58 | adiamas | nods |
10:40:02 | LinusN | the info thread waits on it |
10:40:06 | LinusN | period |
10:40:21 | adiamas | and no one else uses that queue right? |
10:40:35 | LinusN | no, why would another thread use it? |
10:40:40 | adiamas | *shrugs* |
10:40:45 | adiamas | what i thought you were doing at first |
10:40:51 | LinusN | it's just like sharing global variables |
10:40:52 | adiamas | was there as a queue for all threads |
10:40:57 | adiamas | 1 queue |
10:41:03 | Zagor | ah |
10:41:03 | adiamas | thats where i got confused :) |
10:41:06 | LinusN | ok |
10:41:14 | adiamas | that make my questions a bit more logical? |
10:41:17 | adiamas | :) |
10:41:28 | adiamas | im not insane, just mis-informed :) |
10:44:34 | adiamas | god i love the Barenaked Ladies |
10:44:36 | * | adiamas sighs |
10:44:44 | Zagor | :) |
10:44:55 | * | Zagor loves barenaked ladies too... |
10:45:45 | adiamas | hehehe |
10:45:50 | adiamas | the band or the women ;) |
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10:46:38 | Zagor | there's a band? ;) (actually I have some of their music) |
10:49:06 | adiamas | heheh if i get a job with a decent connection ill hook you up.. i have 100 of their songs :) |
10:50:00 | Schnueff | u got movies too? :) |
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10:53:08 | adiamas | sure... 5 cds full.. |
10:53:17 | adiamas | but you need to show me proof your over 18 first ;) |
10:53:18 | adiamas | lol |
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11:00:13 | Bagder | Kjell did the sim resizable |
11:00:41 | Zagor | ooh, nice |
11:02:57 | Bagder | a bit buggy though |
11:03:05 | Zagor | of course :-) |
11:06:10 | bobTHC | on the recorder the off button is HW controled ? |
11:06:35 | Zagor | yes |
11:07:13 | bobTHC | so impossible do delay off when the HD is spinup? |
11:07:31 | Zagor | yes |
11:07:58 | langhaarrocker | But it might be done in the simulator... |
11:07:59 | bobTHC | because off when hd spin up is not really good for the HD... |
11:08:26 | Zagor | bobTHC: correct. don't do that :-) |
11:09:23 | bobTHC | I attempt, but when the spinup start 0.5sec before u push off ... |
11:09:55 | Zagor | it's not a huge problem for the disk. just not recommended behaviour. |
11:10:01 | bobTHC | the disk make a silly off noise |
11:10:07 | Zagor | yes |
11:11:02 | bobTHC | i'm agree, just digging for fix it, but it's impossible... |
11:14:56 | LinusN | i am about to commit a little change in the mpeg thread |
11:15:01 | LinusN | small |
11:15:29 | LinusN | it will swap in large chunks while play_pending is true |
11:15:50 | LinusN | that way the playback starts earlier when you press PLAY/NEXT/PREV |
11:19:39 | bobTHC | for search engine what u think it's the best string matching algo ? boyer-moore or u think inverted index is better ? |
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11:28:27 | LinusN | boyer-moore rocks, for what i know |
11:30:32 | bobTHC | a tuned version more fast exist |
11:32:50 | bobTHC | http://www-igm.univ-mlv.fr/~lecroq/string/tunedbm.html#SECTION00195 |
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11:36:35 | MamaiWK | re |
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11:37:03 | LinusN | bobTHC: look nice |
11:38:44 | adiamas | anyone else located in the US? |
11:38:58 | PsycoXul | yeah |
11:39:14 | bobTHC | u dont sleep psyco ??? |
11:39:27 | Bagder | he talks in his sleep |
11:39:38 | bobTHC | :) |
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11:41:09 | PsycoXul | i sleep in the day |
11:41:53 | bobTHC | hehe 3 o clock is a good hour for coding ? |
11:42:26 | adiamas | i do my best coding from 0100 to about 0600 |
11:42:50 | LinusN | adiamas: oh , that explains a lot :-) |
11:43:13 | bobTHC | heh |
11:43:14 | adiamas | hhehe |
11:43:17 | adiamas | bite me |
11:43:22 | adiamas | yeah.. yeah.. well.. well. |
11:43:28 | adiamas | your a swede |
11:43:29 | adiamas | so there |
11:53:51 | Bagder | bbl |
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12:32:13 | McWizard | Heya! Any Developer here? |
12:35:49 | langhaarrocker | most of them seem to be eating. |
12:36:29 | adiamas | im here. |
12:36:32 | adiamas | whats up/ |
12:36:42 | McWizard | Well I didn't intend to give them new work :) I only wanted to drop in and tell them what a neat thing they did! Thx :) |
12:37:24 | langhaarrocker | admiration is always welcome :) |
12:38:06 | adiamas | heheh thanks :) |
12:38:06 | McWizard | I know (open source coder myself) :) That's why I did it |
12:38:11 | adiamas | hehehe |
12:38:23 | adiamas | so when you gonna pitch in and join the fight then? ;) |
12:38:59 | McWizard | Nah. I'm a java coder at heart.. It like Hardware<−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−Me->Software :P |
12:39:28 | adiamas | heheh |
12:39:33 | langhaarrocker | I am a java programmer, too. It wasn't that difficult to downgrade to c. |
12:39:35 | adiamas | you know c or c++? |
12:39:43 | adiamas | hell.. come in and help with the docs.. |
12:39:47 | adiamas | those are out dated ;) |
12:39:59 | McWizard | I know.. i know.. but I'm all busy with my own project sorry :) |
12:40:06 | adiamas | heheh wuss ;) |
12:40:08 | adiamas | what project? |
12:40:17 | langhaarrocker | What kind of project can be more important than rockbox? |
12:40:22 | McWizard | But at least I admit it.. Not like most ppl: "I'd love to help but I cannot code and I cannot write" :P |
12:40:38 | McWizard | https://sourceforge.net/projects/megameknet/ <−− my project |
12:41:06 | adiamas | hehehe |
12:41:56 | langhaarrocker | is it with client server stuff? |
12:41:57 | adiamas | :) |
12:42:31 | McWizard | yep |
12:42:47 | McWizard | I've to go now. I'll drop by later.. have fun :) |
12:43:05 | langhaarrocker | must work -> no fun |
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12:47:05 | langhaarrocker | He should port his project to rockbox. |
12:49:32 | adiamas | lol |
12:49:49 | bobTHC | hehe and port the game too... for special harcore gamers |
12:52:37 | bobTHC | have u seen the sourceforge stats? |
12:52:41 | bobTHC | https://sourceforge.net/project/stats/index.php?report=months&group_id=44306 |
12:52:53 | bobTHC | impressive "takeoff" |
12:54:34 | adiamas | damn 106k page views |
12:54:42 | bobTHC | yep |
12:55:36 | bobTHC | i'm curious to know how many device archos sell... |
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12:57:46 | adiamas | hhehe my bowling team.. we are 1200 pins ahead of the next closest team in total pins.. |
12:57:55 | adiamas | but we are still in 4th because of stupid handicap :) |
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13:00:13 | adiamas | LinusN|lunch or Zagor |
13:00:25 | adiamas | when you guys get back.. i have a few questions regarding sokoban levels |
13:01:12 | bobTHC | soon on the /.rockbox/ folder and out of the *.ajz |
13:06:09 | adiamas | huh? |
13:06:33 | bobTHC | ? |
13:06:39 | adiamas | <bobTHC> soon on the /.rockbox/ folder and out of the *.ajz |
13:06:43 | adiamas | what the hell are you talking about?> |
13:08:04 | bobTHC | yesterday we talk about the possibility of extract sokoban level from the *.ajz file to /.rockbox/ folder to win memory |
13:08:54 | adiamas | ahh.. right.. |
13:08:55 | adiamas | hehe no.. |
13:08:58 | adiamas | what i mean is.. |
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13:09:10 | adiamas | im trying to decide if we should allow comments in the levels file |
13:09:23 | adiamas | and how we are denoting the different levels |
13:09:35 | adiamas | i figure just a blank line is good enough.. but i want to ask opinions |
13:09:40 | adiamas | what do you think? |
13:10:34 | LinusN | use whatever is easiest to parse |
13:10:40 | adiamas | k. |
13:10:42 | LinusN | # comment |
13:10:49 | LinusN | level: xxx |
13:10:57 | LinusN | datazone: xklhdajfsfa |
13:11:05 | bobTHC | for me, arbitrary number is sufficient |
13:11:06 | LinusN | datazone: kfldjfsögsg |
13:11:10 | adiamas | i was also thinking.. does it make sense to read the levels file totally when you enter sokoban, and then just index to it the way we do in a playlist? |
13:11:11 | LinusN | damn completion |
13:11:41 | LinusN | do it the easy way first |
13:11:57 | LinusN | then, if it turns out to be slow, index it |
13:12:11 | adiamas | right but when you switch levels we will need to open the file reparse to find our level and then do our work. |
13:12:32 | adiamas | which means it gets increasingly slow |
13:13:41 | LinusN | yes, but how slow is it? |
13:13:51 | adiamas | shrugs |
13:14:01 | adiamas | go to spam for sec |
13:15:35 | bobTHC | adiamas, u think the kjer zoom will be used with sokoban? it's to small for me |
13:15:47 | adiamas | for the sim? |
13:16:43 | bobTHC | sorry, i read too fast the cvs activity |
13:16:47 | adiamas | hehe |
13:17:08 | bobTHC | or just enlage the actual sokoban? |
13:17:11 | bobTHC | ;) |
13:17:27 | bobTHC | s/enlage/enlarge |
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13:39:33 | matsl | Bagder2: There something bad with the webb page and labb. |
13:39:53 | Bagder2 | "something" ? |
13:40:17 | matsl | Multiple processes. The pages doesn't seem to be updated. something might hang. |
13:41:07 | matsl | Bagder2: 4 last4commits.pl running. Should it be like that? |
13:41:25 | matsl | last5commits.pl |
13:41:25 | Bagder2 | no, but that's no biggie |
13:41:56 | matsl | ok. I might be wrong. The page is updated now. |
13:44:32 | Bagder2 | time to reboot on my new kernel |
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13:53:01 | adiamas | need an opinion |
13:53:08 | adiamas | phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/levels.txt |
13:53:12 | adiamas | that simple enough for now? |
13:54:07 | Schnueff | i would have preferred chars instead of digits, i.e. w = wall, space = empty, etc. |
13:54:19 | Schnueff | or # = wall |
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13:55:29 | Bagder_ | now why didn't I have my framebuffer enabled before? ;-) |
13:57:21 | LinusN | adiamas: looks perfect |
13:57:34 | LinusN | can you have comments? |
13:57:47 | Schnueff | uh w8 a sec |
13:58:38 | LinusN | adiamas: is it possible to validate the levels? I mean, compare the number of boxes with the number of "targets" |
13:59:51 | adiamas | not yet.. no code yet :) |
13:59:57 | adiamas | sure.. i can do that... |
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14:00:27 | adiamas | schnueff i can write a script to fix that if we want... |
14:00:54 | adiamas | but then each line needs " around it so we know where the white space ends |
14:01:24 | Schnueff | i'm just looking up what the level format of xsokoban ist |
14:01:26 | Schnueff | os |
14:01:28 | Schnueff | is, argh |
14:01:35 | adiamas | nods |
14:01:37 | LinusN | to know where the white space ends? |
14:01:48 | adiamas | well. for user stupidity |
14:01:54 | adiamas | thats all.. |
14:02:03 | adiamas | make the image cleaner etc. |
14:02:16 | LinusN | you mean like "0000 22 0000"? |
14:02:22 | adiamas | nods |
14:02:42 | LinusN | jusr read the whole line and remove all white space |
14:02:42 | Schnueff | the vim sokoban (http://www.vim.org/script_download.php?src_id=656) uses some ascii format .sok |
14:02:43 | adiamas | this is in response to Schnueff thinking about chars instead of ints |
14:03:44 | LinusN | no need for " |
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14:03:49 | adiamas | k |
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14:03:59 | _Snorlax_ | ellu! |
14:04:09 | Schnueff | xsokoban seems to use the same format, althought the levels can get large, so we need scrolling :) |
14:04:16 | Bagder_ | hey ho snorlax |
14:04:29 | _Snorlax_ | I've got a prob! |
14:04:32 | adiamas | okay.. so do we want to go char based instead of ints? |
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14:04:42 | LinusN | adiamas: of course |
14:04:45 | _Snorlax_ | I'm setting up a linux server in my home network |
14:04:46 | adiamas | k |
14:04:48 | adiamas | fixing |
14:05:00 | Bagder | _Snorlax_: I'm listening |
14:05:06 | Schnueff | # wall, @ starting position, $ movable, . destination, space empty |
14:05:17 | adiamas | sweet.. thanks.. |
14:05:17 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
14:05:19 | _Snorlax_ | I'll be using clark connect(www.clarkconnect.org) |
14:05:58 | _Snorlax_ | can I use your linux usb driver cuz my laptop which is going to be server hasn't got a cd! |
14:07:28 | _Snorlax_ | huh? |
14:07:38 | Bagder | Zagor's linux isd200 driver is included in all recent linux kernels |
14:08:13 | matsl | Bagder: I have run out of ideas (and the mpeg-thread-simualtor-job seems to much at the moment) got any suggestion? |
14:08:16 | Bagder | since 2.4.8 |
14:08:33 | Bagder | any suggestion for what? |
14:08:41 | _Snorlax_ | k, but CC is a "standalone" os which is build of linux(translated directly from swedish) |
14:09:01 | matsl | Bagder: useful rockbox hack |
14:09:14 | Bagder | _Snorlax_: so download the patch and apply it, rebuild and reboot |
14:09:32 | Bagder | matsl: ah, eeeh, not really. |
14:09:35 | _Snorlax_ | k, sorry but where do I download it? |
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14:09:56 | Bagder | http://bjorn.haxx.se/isd200/ |
14:10:40 | Bagder | sorry, but I don't know how to download it |
14:10:47 | Bagder | there doesn't seem to be any download link there |
14:11:01 | _Snorlax_ | I know! |
14:11:05 | Bagder | we should probably punish Zagor for this ;-) |
14:11:07 | _Snorlax_ | what do do? |
14:11:13 | _Snorlax_ | yup |
14:11:22 | _Snorlax_ | =) |
14:12:03 | _Snorlax_ | so gimme a hnad here, plz |
14:12:06 | _Snorlax_ | hand |
14:12:24 | adiamas | okay.. 0's are the black background.. what char do we want for them? |
14:12:50 | Bagder | _Snorlax_: so wait until Zagor gets back |
14:13:03 | _Snorlax_ | hopp |
14:13:25 | Schnueff | adiamas: they're not present in the levels files i have seen, so we're free to chose |
14:13:56 | adiamas | nods |
14:14:01 | adiamas | thats why i asked :) |
14:14:03 | adiamas | would X |
14:14:07 | adiamas | satisfy? |
14:14:16 | adiamas | or B |
14:14:21 | adiamas | i like B what do you think? |
14:14:28 | Schnueff | i like X better |
14:14:37 | adiamas | okay.. X it is :) |
14:14:54 | _Snorlax_ | wait a minute! the install cd is on the jukebox, which I need driver to get... |
14:15:19 | Bagder | hahaha |
14:15:55 | adiamas | phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/levels.txt |
14:15:57 | adiamas | better? |
14:16:24 | Schnueff | nice, but first line is missing |
14:16:31 | _Snorlax_ | really funny.. |
14:16:32 | Schnueff | (leve: 1) |
14:16:36 | Schnueff | level even |
14:16:37 | adiamas | nods just realzied |
14:18:27 | Schnueff | hm in levels like 85 with open bottom line, can one walk into the memory? |
14:18:29 | adiamas | the levels file.. name? |
14:18:33 | adiamas | sokoban.lev? |
14:18:59 | _Snorlax_ | but what if I acces the install cd over the LAN(in windows)?? |
14:19:01 | Schnueff | hm, is checked |
14:19:17 | Schnueff | hm no |
14:19:25 | adiamas | ? |
14:19:52 | Bagder | anyone using linux framebuffer on matrox? |
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14:20:47 | Bagder | another reboot then |
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14:21:29 | Schnueff | just wondering, the walking code in sokoban doesnt seem to check for validness of the coordinates |
14:21:38 | adiamas | ? |
14:21:47 | Schnueff | nm |
14:23:36 | LinusN | adiamas: soboban_levels.txt |
14:23:49 | adiamas | okay |
14:23:50 | LinusN | then you can view the levels in the text viewer |
14:24:01 | adiamas | smart ;) |
14:24:35 | Schnueff | adiamas: why your levels are only 15 rows high? |
14:24:51 | adiamas | are they? |
14:24:58 | adiamas | hmmm odd... must be a bug in the script |
14:25:00 | Schnueff | if i dont count wrong, yes |
14:25:18 | adiamas | hmmm nope.. your right.. |
14:25:29 | Schnueff | yes, wc just confirmed me :) |
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14:30:09 | adiamas | fixed |
14:30:26 | _Snorlax_ | CC is based on Redhat kernel: 2.4.9-31 |
14:31:29 | _Snorlax_ | has it got Zagors usb driver impleamented? |
14:32:20 | Bagder | it should |
14:32:25 | Bagder | it's in 2.4.8 |
14:33:29 | _Snorlax_ | quote from bjorns page:"While the driver code was merged into the 2.4.8 kernel, due to an oversight the Config.in entry (that makes the driver selectable in the config menus) didn't appear until 2.4.10. " |
14:33:43 | Bagder | aha |
14:34:14 | _Snorlax_ | ahu? |
14:35:47 | adiamas | http://promo.search.com.com/search?dau=55&layout=story |
14:35:50 | adiamas | hehehe |
14:36:41 | Schnueff | adiamas: first level line still missing? |
14:37:03 | adiamas | not any more.. new version |
14:37:34 | adiamas | sigh 3 commits in a 2 min window..how sad ;) |
14:37:59 | Schnueff | ok, only have the first two :) |
14:38:14 | langhaarrocker | nothing compared to yesterday: I saw 54 commits. |
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14:43:42 | Bagder | another reboot |
14:43:42 | langhaarrocker | Has anybody tried to read an e-book on rockbox, yet? |
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14:45:31 | bobTHC | e-book ? pdf files ? |
14:45:34 | adiamas | we need word wrap before ill try it |
14:45:52 | bobTHC | ;) |
14:45:54 | langhaarrocker | I wordwrapped offline with Word. |
14:46:05 | langhaarrocker | Now I want bookmarks. |
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14:46:20 | bobTHC | in txt files? |
14:46:28 | langhaarrocker | yes. |
14:46:31 | Bagder | framebuffer mod works neat now |
14:46:40 | Schnueff | wordwrapped with word *shiver* |
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14:47:16 | LinusN | Bagder: what cool with that? |
14:47:34 | Bagder | booting up in 1600x1200 in 24 bits ;-) |
14:47:48 | Bagder | but more seriously, I hope to get QT/e to work |
14:48:02 | bobTHC | big screen badger? |
14:48:06 | Bagder | 21" |
14:48:26 | bobTHC | hehe cool monitor.... |
14:48:29 | _Snorlax_ | baj baj |
14:48:29 | langhaarrocker | 21" with 112x64 is pretty stupid. |
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14:49:02 | LinusN | From funmp3players: |
14:49:05 | LinusN | "Keep in mind, that most of the posts you see are from people who are having questions or problems. Most people don't post to announce that the unit works just fine (Unless they just loaded Rockbox for the first time and have the "Wow, this is too cool" experience!)" |
14:49:40 | langhaarrocker | We ought to do something about our image:) |
14:50:37 | langhaarrocker | Is anybody working on the text viewer? Like wordwrapping, bookmarking, and so on? |
14:50:50 | Bagder | not that I know |
14:51:21 | langhaarrocker | Maybe I'll open a new source tree tonight... |
14:51:28 | adiamas | LinusN: hehe you have the url for htat |
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14:57:24 | LinusN | http://www2.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=5726&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Question+about+reliability&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=True&S=True |
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15:01:23 | xam | langhaarrocker what about pdf support? |
15:01:45 | xam | langhaarrocker and a picture viewer would be fine, too ;) |
15:01:54 | bobTHC | just a joke |
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15:50:55 | Zagor | how's that for a lunch? :) |
15:53:43 | Bagder | loooooong :-) |
15:59:28 | Bagder | don't you love duplicates |
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16:00:24 | Zagor | the more the merrier :-) |
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16:04:56 | Bagder | QT/e runs fine now on my linux |
16:05:00 | matsl | Bagder: need advice. |
16:05:18 | Bagder | shoot |
16:05:56 | matsl | we have a lot of ifdefs in the code. Like. have_lcd_charcells and have_lcd_bitmap |
16:06:25 | matsl | Then comes the player simulator that has both. Gets tricky. |
16:06:36 | matsl | (at least in my head ;-) |
16:07:17 | matsl | can we make it simpler? |
16:07:21 | Zagor | we're trying to do away with as many as possible using stubs, but not all can be removed |
16:07:24 | Bagder | how? |
16:07:40 | Bagder | right, we should add more stubs to remove #ifdef SIMULATOR as much as possible |
16:08:17 | Zagor | charcells/bitmap is probably going to stay. they are mutually exclusive and can't be abstracted away. |
16:08:46 | Bagder | they're not mutually exclusive when the player sim is built ;-) |
16:08:53 | matsl | Ok. so player simulator should not actually use have_lcd_bitmap |
16:10:27 | Bagder | it needs to |
16:10:50 | Bagder | the simulator is not a true target, thus it doesn't (need to) use the exact same features |
16:12:28 | matsl | Well I just had two different LCD_WIDTH defined because of passing through lcd.h with different settings. Thats bad. |
16:12:58 | Bagder | yes, that's bad, but what does that has to do with the features? |
16:13:25 | matsl | I'm not sure I follow you about the features. Elaborate. |
16:13:38 | Bagder | the defines saying HAVE_[blabla] |
16:13:52 | matsl | go on |
16:14:12 | Bagder | no, you tell me what the problem is |
16:14:15 | Bagder | I don't understand |
16:14:40 | matsl | hey. I wanted the advice in the first place ;-) OK. I'll try. |
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16:15:45 | Bagder | hey felix |
16:19:52 | matsl | Bagder: Well one problem is that the simulator gets the have_lcd_bitmap code when it shouldn't. If the test is done on have_lcd_charcells then it is OK. |
16:20:13 | Bagder | so you made it all work without that define set? |
16:20:22 | Bagder | then remove the define |
16:21:31 | edx | hi... |
16:21:38 | edx | hmm got problems with my headphones.. |
16:21:49 | edx | one earplug seems to be death.. |
16:22:14 | matsl | Bagder: I don't get through to you. I'll contemplate on this further. cu |
16:22:16 | edx | s/death/dead |
16:22:26 | Bagder | matsl: hehe, please do, see ya |
16:22:32 | langhaarrocker | edx: swap them to make sure it not your ear that's dead... |
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16:23:22 | edx | langhaarrocker: sure i did that :P i also made sure that it's not the archos which is dead. |
16:24:46 | langhaarrocker | edx: I had a headphone within which a little 'bonding' wire broke. A bit of solder solved the problem. |
16:25:18 | edx | it's just very muted... i can hear very little. |
16:25:51 | edx | i wonder where the wire could be broken.. |
16:27:00 | langhaarrocker | Does your hp have a volume dial in the wire? |
16:27:23 | edx | no |
16:28:09 | norm_ | Chances are low that the break is in the main length of wire. More likely, it' |
16:28:12 | langhaarrocker | I never experienced that a headphone was muted by a broken wire. |
16:28:17 | norm_ | s in the earphone end or the plug |
16:28:40 | edx | yea.. tried to look there but i dont want to void warranty if i damage the earplug |
16:28:42 | norm_ | If it's a very loose connection, it's possible to be highly muted as opposed to totally dead |
16:28:48 | edx | its difficult getting there... but it looks ok to me |
16:29:12 | norm_ | edx: I meant the earphone's plug, not the Archos' plug |
16:29:28 | edx | sure the earphones plug.. |
16:29:50 | norm_ | What sort of earphones are you using? |
16:30:11 | edx | sony EP70... |
16:30:17 | edx | like half of the ppl around here :P |
16:30:50 | Zagor | EX70 you mean? |
16:31:01 | langhaarrocker | I sometimes have something like a bend and scrumbled membrane in the earphone. Blowing and sucking the earphone helped usually. But on the other hand I have distorted sound insead of muted. |
16:31:38 | edx | no its not like that.. its really extremely muted.. |
16:32:56 | norm_ | edx: does anything change when you wiggle the wires? |
16:33:10 | langhaarrocker | I have the EX70, too. Don't you go mad due to all that noise when the da*%ed cable rumbles over your collars, with zippers and so on? |
16:33:31 | edx | norm_: nope. |
16:33:34 | Zagor | tape the cable to your neck :-) |
16:33:50 | edx | langhaarrocker: not... actually not |
16:33:50 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: A tacker is more reliable. |
16:34:00 | Zagor | zip-tie |
16:34:33 | edx | hmm damn... ill have to send it back grmbl... hope they'll replace it |
16:35:58 | langhaarrocker | I use the EX70 only when not moving much eg in a train. On the street I use Sony E868 |
16:38:10 | Zagor | i've learnt to tuck the cable inside my collar, so it doesn't move so much. then the noise is not a problem. i could never go back to old style earbuds... |
16:39:40 | langhaarrocker | I fixed a 'crocodile clamp' to the cable of my E868. So I can fix the cable to my cloth easily. |
16:46:17 | langhaarrocker | There are so many cool patches in the patch tracker. I just hope the core team will find the time to review and apply them. |
16:49:33 | Zagor | isn't that nice. linus fix today made this morning's daily build magically repair itself... |
16:52:53 | edx | shall I commit the fixed stuff for the win32 simulator? - the player display is incorrect somehow, but at least the recorder simulation works now |
16:53:15 | Zagor | do so |
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16:56:07 | langhaarrocker | Will the table on http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml collide as soon as there is no content for the old player columns any more? |
16:57:04 | Zagor | collapse, yes |
16:57:14 | edx | why aint there any compilations for the old player? |
16:57:16 | langhaarrocker | I never get things right. |
16:57:25 | Zagor | edx: we have merged new and old player |
16:57:30 | edx | ah cool |
16:59:01 | edx | ../../apps\language.c(46) : error C2065: 'LANG_LAST_INDEX_IN_ARRAY' : undeclared |
16:59:02 | edx | identifier |
16:59:03 | edx | hmm? |
16:59:13 | edx | that's new.. |
16:59:16 | Zagor | have you updated everything? |
16:59:24 | edx | actually yes, but ill retry |
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17:00:43 | langhaarrocker | Can anybody recommend me a good freeware editor for coding c? |
17:00:52 | langhaarrocker | Using windows |
17:00:58 | Zagor | emacs |
17:01:18 | norm_ | There's vi for windows d:) |
17:01:25 | langhaarrocker | I'm a windows user. |
17:01:39 | Zagor | emacs is for all systems, including windows |
17:01:47 | Zagor | it takes a bit to learn, but you will never go back |
17:01:58 | langhaarrocker | vi and emacs are only for unix users who migrate to windows. |
17:02:09 | Zagor | it's for power users |
17:02:20 | langhaarrocker | I'm a very tiny person. |
17:02:25 | Zagor | :-) |
17:03:12 | adiamas | give me emacs for developement, and vi for administration |
17:03:17 | adiamas | and ed to be sadistic |
17:03:45 | langhaarrocker | all of them are sadistic when used on a windows user |
17:05:27 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: you have to make a choice; do you want to be productive, or click on shiny little buttons? |
17:06:38 | adiamas | langhaarrocker: but it does behoove you to learn them though... |
17:07:05 | adiamas | i like knowing both vi and emacs because that way im sure to piss someone off.. |
17:07:16 | Schnueff | u got too much time |
17:07:24 | adiamas | heeheh nah.. |
17:07:32 | adiamas | emacs i learned in college.. my prof swore by it |
17:07:40 | Schnueff | knowing one of vim/emacs is a life-time job :) |
17:08:00 | adiamas | vi i learned the night before i had to teach a 3 day course in unix which one day covered vi |
17:08:09 | adiamas | and then i ended up using vi on the job for 1.5 years |
17:08:15 | Schnueff | i would recommend vim, but i wouldnt recommend vi |
17:08:16 | adiamas | nah... |
17:08:20 | adiamas | no no no |
17:08:22 | adiamas | learn bi |
17:08:23 | adiamas | vi |
17:08:28 | adiamas | _then_ learn vim |
17:08:43 | adiamas | if not, its like 'learning' emacs with someone else's .emacs file |
17:08:49 | adiamas | you learn their shortcuts, not emacs |
17:09:00 | Schnueff | i dont think so |
17:09:08 | Schnueff | but anyway, this is not an editor channel |
17:09:13 | langhaarrocker | I have all those windows editor typing reflexes which usually can't be applied to emacs / vi. |
17:09:13 | adiamas | sure it is... |
17:09:24 | adiamas | sure they can |
17:09:28 | adiamas | you just need to map them |
17:09:39 | langhaarrocker | oh no. Not bindable key schemes again. |
17:09:43 | adiamas | besides.. unix editor commands are designed to be faster |
17:09:46 | Schnueff | heh |
17:09:50 | adiamas | sure... |
17:10:05 | adiamas | f1 is linegoto for me in emacs |
17:12:31 | langhaarrocker | Last time I fiddled with vi / emacs was about 8 years ago. Probably things have changed. Probably emacs grew even bigger that it used to be already. |
17:13:06 | norm_ | Eighty Megs And Constantly Swapping d:) |
17:13:28 | Schnueff | EMACS |
17:13:29 | langhaarrocker | oh. Than it changed by factor 10 :) |
17:13:40 | Schnueff | good operating system, lousy text editor :) |
17:13:56 | Schnueff | oh shh, no editor channel :) |
17:14:02 | langhaarrocker | I never want to lisp again. |
17:14:49 | adiamas | see.. thats your problem.. you didn't learn lisp |
17:14:54 | adiamas | if you had you wouldn't have said that |
17:14:56 | adiamas | ;) |
17:15:03 | langhaarrocker | I had to learn scheme. |
17:15:11 | adiamas | scheme is not lisp |
17:15:21 | adiamas | :) |
17:15:25 | langhaarrocker | It's a dialect of lisp I was told. |
17:15:38 | adiamas | sure.. thats like saying C++ is C |
17:15:57 | adiamas | or assembly for the pentium is the same as 386 |
17:16:22 | langhaarrocker | I won't learn lisp unless we have a lisp interpreter for rockbox. |
17:17:38 | langhaarrocker | Actually I believe that when learining scheme my computer had less MHz that the archos... |
17:21:32 | edx | LANG_LAST_INDEX_IN_ARRAY <−− where is that defined? |
17:22:05 | Zagor | lang.h |
17:22:13 | Zagor | generated by genlang |
17:22:19 | edx | aha... |
17:22:21 | Zagor | you are calling genlang, right? |
17:22:24 | edx | sure |
17:22:25 | Zagor | running |
17:22:29 | edx | but maybe i have not updated tools |
17:22:33 | Zagor | ah |
17:23:32 | edx | works |
17:23:33 | edx | :) |
17:23:36 | Zagor | goodie |
17:23:54 | edx | ok.. now what did you do to creadits? |
17:24:01 | edx | its generated by credits.pl? |
17:24:05 | Zagor | yeah |
17:26:26 | edx | how is it supposed to be called? it uses <STDIN>?? to get the data |
17:26:42 | Zagor | look in Makefile |
17:26:47 | edx | yup |
17:28:31 | edx | where is DOCSDIR - the directory where CREDITS is in? |
17:28:38 | Zagor | docs |
17:28:42 | edx | module? |
17:28:43 | Zagor | it's a separate cvs module |
17:28:45 | edx | ah ok |
17:30:16 | langhaarrocker | About global_settings: Do you think we should split it up somewhen? It seems to be a typical point where things cumulate. It already contains many things that aren't related much with each other. And right now I wonder wether I should put some settings of the viewer into it (e.g. wordwrap_enabled), too. Somehow they are global settings and on the other hand they don't feel as if they belong there. |
17:31:16 | Zagor | good point. as we add more non-mp3 applications, we might want to put their settings elsewhere |
17:31:47 | Zagor | hopefully, we'll soon get working file write so we can write config files |
17:32:14 | langhaarrocker | Good that it wasn't me who said that... :) |
17:34:31 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: can you estimate how long it might take to get the writing? That will influence my decision wether to use a config file right away or writing global_settings code that must be migrated later on. |
17:35:02 | Zagor | don't use a saved setting for now, just use a toggle |
17:35:03 | Schnueff | now you said it :) |
17:35:15 | Zagor | it can take weeks |
17:48:40 | edx | yeah! finally got the credits thing to work *puh* |
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18:30:32 | langhaarrocker | Or has that been cleared out with the fonts? |
18:31:18 | langhaarrocker | Ah, I see: it's been unified with the display drivers. |
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23:26:19 | vici | Is there anybody who writes code for rockbox on windows? |
23:28:25 | vici | I want to start writing smth but I'm even unable to compile the daily versions... |
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