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| 01:58:47 | henrysunset-atwo | hey... |
| 01:59:10 | henrysunset-atwo | quickie: how hard/how worthwile is the 1500mah>1800 mah battery swaperoo? |
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| 02:00:29 | henrysunset-atwo | on that note; would any 9.5mm drive work for upgrade? even the 40 or 60 gig ones? that would be amazingly alot of music. |
| 02:01:55 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 02:02:00 | henrysunset-atwo | sweet |
| 02:02:06 | henrysunset-atwo | the 20's are worth 80 bux |
| 02:02:12 | henrysunset-atwo | and the 40's cost 120 |
| 02:02:20 | henrysunset-atwo | so it's 40 bux to upgrade yourself |
| 02:04:03 | henrysunset-atwo | what about he battery upgrade; have you done it personally? |
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| 02:48:26 | Synthe | they have 60gb 9.5mm drives now? |
| 02:48:59 | PsycoXul | have for a while now |
| 02:49:27 | Synthe | damn expensive it looks like tho |
| 02:49:44 | PsycoXul | about $270US on pricewatch |
| 02:49:55 | Synthe | and only $120 for 40gb drives |
| 02:50:21 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 02:50:23 | Synthe | considering that I just filed for bankruptcy this afternoon, I think I need to hold off on upgrading however much I want to :) |
| 02:50:24 | PsycoXul | just wait till next year |
| 02:50:25 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:50:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:50:47 | Synthe | I'll just have to live with my TiVo with 2 120gb drives in it |
| 02:51:02 | PsycoXul | yeah plus in a year it'll be morke like $270 for the 100gb's and $120 for the 60gb's or something heh |
| 02:51:18 | Synthe | hehe |
| 02:51:40 | Synthe | I wonder if there are any size limitations in the IDE bios of the rockbox |
| 02:51:43 | Synthe | of the archos I mean |
| 02:51:44 | Synthe | :) |
| 02:52:01 | PsycoXul | heh i dunno |
| 02:52:12 | PsycoXul | i've heard of people with 60gb drives in theirs |
| 02:52:27 | PsycoXul | so i guess if there is, we'll have to wait till bigger drives come out to find out |
| 02:52:29 | Synthe | yeah, but when it gets to 100gb or more |
| 02:52:30 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:52:50 | Synthe | I'd love to have a 60gb drive, then I could finally fit ALL of my mp3s on it, plus have space to store all my warez :) |
| 02:53:03 | Synthe | portable pirate |
| 02:55:08 | PsycoXul | i just can't wait for the portable high-res touchscreens with terabytes and global wireless broadband |
| 02:55:50 | Synthe | screw the touchscreens, I want virtual HUD displays attached to my optic nerve |
| 02:55:54 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 02:56:02 | PsycoXul | yeah but i dunno |
| 02:56:08 | PsycoXul | that's a little too invasive for my taste |
| 02:56:50 | PsycoXul | some mad hax0r cracks my personal frequency and starts feeding some crazy shit into my vision |
| 02:57:42 | PsycoXul | actualy they've already developed a system for certain kinds of blind people |
| 02:58:01 | PsycoXul | the project is due for completion in 2004, but they've already got it working apparently |
| 02:58:18 | Synthe | yeah I know |
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| 02:59:23 | PsycoXul | won't be long before they've got 'em so refined that people with good eyesight will want 'em for the extra features |
| 02:59:52 | PsycoXul | fun world eh? |
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| 03:00:35 | PsycoXul | more will change in our lifetime's than in any other similar timeframe in human history |
| 03:01:19 | PsycoXul | which is saying a lot considering all that changed in the last hundred years |
| 03:01:40 | PsycoXul | heh anyway... |
| 03:21:27 | henrysunset-atwo | you could test bigger drive compatibility by using a small drive to large drive adapter backwards and runnign a 200gb drive on it (powered externally ofcourse) |
| 03:21:52 | henrysunset-atwo | yeah |
| 03:22:26 | henrysunset-atwo | we will prolly see more human-enhancements than believable; or we will all bow ourselves up in a war; either is a bigger change than ever |
| 03:22:31 | henrysunset-atwo | *blow |
| 03:22:48 | henrysunset-atwo | i just want memory 2.0 to enhance my real brain |
| 03:23:12 | henrysunset-atwo | i figgure by the time i'm old we wont worry of alzheimers becasue we will just bypass that part of the mind |
| 03:23:38 | henrysunset-atwo | how hard is the battery swap? |
| 03:23:49 | henrysunset-atwo | i wanna put in 1800 to 2100 mah ones! |
| 03:24:08 | henrysunset-atwo | if the batt's were user swappable i'd just use 1800's and carry a spare paair |
| 03:27:01 | henrysunset-atwo | do they charge over usb? |
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| 03:31:25 | henrysunset-atwo | does rockbox start searching for music off the root? or can you make it begin in a subfolder such as "my music"? |
| 03:31:50 | henrysunset-atwo | if you can start in a subfolder; i could have another folder for non-music and it would stay out of my way. |
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| 10:02:19 | henrysunset | question.... |
| 10:02:33 | henrysunset | have ya'll considered a spoken interface? |
| 10:02:47 | henrysunset | dable'able ofcourse |
| 10:02:55 | henrysunset | *disable'able i meant |
| 10:02:55 | Zagor | yeah, i think we have a feature request for it |
| 10:02:59 | henrysunset | oh ok |
| 10:03:07 | henrysunset | that would be the killer ui for a car |
| 10:03:19 | Zagor | yeah |
| 10:03:25 | henrysunset | i can't wait to get mine; i have some great ideas i think |
| 10:03:35 | Zagor | cool! |
| 10:03:40 | henrysunset | :-) |
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| 10:03:43 | henrysunset | i will share |
| 10:03:57 | henrysunset | let's just hope they are good enough to get ya'll to code 'em |
| 10:04:24 | Zagor | they? |
| 10:04:27 | Zagor | oh, the ideas |
| 10:04:32 | henrysunset | i'm sorta a UI nut; so i'll have fun |
| 10:04:36 | henrysunset | they = ideas yes |
| 10:04:53 | Zagor | hehe, knock yourself out. we accept all ideas. |
| 10:05:19 | henrysunset | small screens and already selected button configs are fun; they present unique challenges as a designer |
| 10:05:27 | Zagor | indeed |
| 10:05:37 | henrysunset | what is it's graphical capabilities |
| 10:05:42 | henrysunset | can we blit individual pixels |
| 10:05:50 | langhaarrocker | With I ui nut available I should speed up bindable key schemes. |
| 10:05:50 | henrysunset | or there a character interpreter in the way? |
| 10:05:51 | Zagor | i think we've done a pretty ok job so far. but then I'm a low-lever programmer and no UI designer :) |
| 10:06:05 | henrysunset | haha |
| 10:06:11 | Zagor | henrysunset: the recorder is bitmapped, so we have pixel access |
| 10:06:19 | henrysunset | the demo version you can use on a PC seemed pretty good tho |
| 10:06:35 | henrysunset | does the recorder have more mem for software? |
| 10:06:44 | henrysunset | liek how close to full is the existign codebase? |
| 10:06:46 | Zagor | no, it's the same 2MB for all models |
| 10:06:53 | henrysunset | k |
| 10:07:01 | henrysunset | shared mem architecture? |
| 10:07:07 | henrysunset | for caching and code i assume |
| 10:07:07 | Zagor | yup. those 2MB are for software and mp3 buffer. |
| 10:07:16 | henrysunset | how much we using now? |
| 10:07:21 | langhaarrocker | But it's a good idea to keep the executable small to have mem for mp3 caching |
| 10:07:33 | henrysunset | yes |
| 10:07:35 | Zagor | ~200 KB for code and runtime data |
| 10:07:38 | henrysunset | saves batteries too |
| 10:07:44 | henrysunset | ok |
| 10:07:50 | henrysunset | so a lil space to work w/? |
| 10:08:05 | henrysunset | can we save power by feeding it wav raw data too? |
| 10:08:08 | Zagor | yeah, but I'm picky. no wasting allowed. |
| 10:08:10 | henrysunset | does it handle it? |
| 10:08:16 | Zagor | henrysunset: no, it's a dedicated mp3 decoder |
| 10:08:19 | henrysunset | ok |
| 10:08:29 | henrysunset | so a voice ui'd have to be lil mp3's eh? |
| 10:08:41 | langhaarrocker | yes |
| 10:08:42 | henrysunset | can we overlay at all |
| 10:08:44 | Zagor | yup :) |
| 10:08:51 | henrysunset | that's a start |
| 10:08:53 | langhaarrocker | no |
| 10:08:56 | langhaarrocker | no overlay |
| 10:08:56 | henrysunset | the proc can really do that? |
| 10:08:59 | Zagor | henrysunset: no, only one stream at a time |
| 10:09:01 | henrysunset | ugh; ok |
| 10:09:11 | henrysunset | so crossfader is a never feature |
| 10:09:18 | langhaarrocker | :( |
| 10:09:23 | henrysunset | that's fine |
| 10:09:34 | Zagor | i have some interlacing ideas i'll try, but I don't think it'll sound good |
| 10:09:41 | henrysunset | are there calls to invert the lcd? for say; a region? |
| 10:09:46 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:09:48 | Zagor | lcd_invertrect |
| 10:09:53 | henrysunset | sweet |
| 10:10:01 | henrysunset | that'd be useful as hell |
| 10:10:06 | langhaarrocker | What about syncing serveral recorders via serial interface and make a mulitracker? |
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| 10:10:14 | henrysunset | does it use that for current selection now? |
| 10:10:20 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: people use it to DJ already |
| 10:10:28 | henrysunset | i was wonderign; does pitch change the speed? |
| 10:10:30 | Zagor | henrysunset: no, we use a cursor |
| 10:10:44 | Zagor | henrysunset: yes, it simply clocks the decoder faster/slower |
| 10:10:55 | henrysunset | ever try inverted text for the selection? |
| 10:11:04 | henrysunset | yay; beatmatching mania |
| 10:11:10 | Zagor | yeah, we have a patch for it. but it became rather slow. we need to optimise it a bit. |
| 10:11:15 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: I'll help our dj soon because it's easy to extend the base of my split editor to a universal loop editor, as well |
| 10:11:21 | henrysunset | hrm; suprised it was slow |
| 10:11:46 | henrysunset | so if the main code is small; can it load ext apps? |
| 10:11:47 | Zagor | henrysunset: lcd_invertrect() is in software |
| 10:11:59 | henrysunset | oh so it's a software func... i see |
| 10:12:09 | Zagor | henrysunset: it can load a replacement module and start it, but not plugins yet |
| 10:12:23 | henrysunset | i was assumiing it mapped closely to hardware |
| 10:12:41 | henrysunset | alright... let's see if i got any more ?'s |
| 10:12:41 | Zagor | this way we can let people easily switch btwn factory firmware and rockbox |
| 10:12:46 | henrysunset | yeah |
| 10:13:11 | henrysunset | if it were pluginabble things like the playlist editor could be seperate |
| 10:13:21 | langhaarrocker | You can investigate the faq for more questions... |
| 10:13:37 | Zagor | yeah. we have some plans for plugins. we'll see how it works out. |
| 10:13:43 | henrysunset | how complex is the code? i guess most of the filesystem and mp3ness is already in hardware so we are just moving bits around? |
| 10:13:56 | henrysunset | i read the faq; tho i should revisit it |
| 10:14:03 | Zagor | henrysunset: no, the filesystem is all software. just the mp3 decoder is hardware. |
| 10:14:08 | henrysunset | i'm trying to avoid seeing any code. |
| 10:14:12 | henrysunset | oh ok, thx. |
| 10:14:12 | Zagor | :-) |
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| 10:14:30 | henrysunset | and writign to the FS is in the works? |
| 10:14:40 | Zagor | we've had plenty of compliments about the code. it's very readable. |
| 10:14:50 | henrysunset | i believe u |
| 10:14:53 | | Part bobTHC |
| 10:14:54 | henrysunset | but i'm not allowed to seee |
| 10:14:59 | Zagor | henrysunset: yes, I'm working on that now. first version is in CVS now. |
| 10:15:05 | henrysunset | cool beans |
| 10:15:30 | Zagor | what are you working on at microsoft? |
| 10:15:36 | henrysunset | i should prolly read my job legalese; i may not even be able to contribute ideas; but then again small projects may be OK. |
| 10:15:43 | henrysunset | powerpoint essentially |
| 10:15:46 | Zagor | working with, rather |
| 10:15:47 | Zagor | if you can tell us :-) |
| 10:15:52 | henrysunset | yes i can |
| 10:15:57 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:15:59 | henrysunset | i'm a program manager so i dont do code though |
| 10:16:05 | Zagor | ah |
| 10:16:10 | henrysunset | i do design and boring management stuff |
| 10:16:15 | henrysunset | i do code a bit |
| 10:16:41 | henrysunset | mostly web... i wrote photonet.alphinland.com as a ongoing side project |
| 10:17:11 | henrysunset | cs degree for somethign I say |
| 10:18:20 | Zagor | that's you, on the Polar Bear Swim? |
| 10:18:27 | henrysunset | yeppers |
| 10:18:46 | Zagor | not much of a winter you've got ;) |
| 10:19:00 | henrysunset | it varies |
| 10:19:04 | henrysunset | that was in MD |
| 10:19:15 | henrysunset | now i'm on the other coast |
| 10:19:56 | henrysunset | another idea: how about "wasting" another line @ the top of the browser for the current path location? |
| 10:20:12 | henrysunset | it'd be nice and keep u less lost |
| 10:20:20 | Zagor | yup, not a bad idea. |
| 10:20:28 | henrysunset | thx. |
| 10:20:46 | henrysunset | i know it's been said but a % battery would be good too |
| 10:21:13 | Zagor | yeah, we could have a toggle. graphic or text representation. |
| 10:21:29 | henrysunset | oh ok |
| 10:22:11 | henrysunset | along the lines of showing depth in file tree; maybe show depth in other things too, like for example the options tree could be represented there too |
| 10:22:31 | Zagor | yup |
| 10:22:53 | henrysunset | so f1 is modal; settings VS browser? |
| 10:23:07 | henrysunset | hrm |
| 10:23:21 | Zagor | no, it's menu on/off. you can access it from browser or wps |
| 10:23:27 | henrysunset | if there are just three modes wouldn't it be sensible to use f1-f3 |
| 10:23:28 | Zagor | wps == While Playing Screen |
| 10:23:30 | henrysunset | oh ok |
| 10:23:35 | henrysunset | yea i got that thx |
| 10:23:54 | henrysunset | so the menu is conceptually "above" the current thing |
| 10:23:58 | Zagor | f2 and f3 are too valuable to "waste" on single functions, IMHO |
| 10:24:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:24:09 | henrysunset | perhpas; but modalities are bad too |
| 10:24:22 | Zagor | modalities? |
| 10:24:35 | henrysunset | when buttons do different thigns in different times |
| 10:24:55 | langhaarrocker | we need that for feature greed |
| 10:25:01 | Zagor | ah. but they don't. f1, f2 and f3 always do the same thing |
| 10:25:24 | henrysunset | like doubleclicking f1 would in essence bring you back to where u started... if you are driving and aren't sure if you clicked it or not u are gonna have to look at the screen to be sure |
| 10:25:35 | langhaarrocker | no doulbe clicks yet |
| 10:25:35 | Zagor | we've just added settings screens to f2 and f3 to be able to do many things with them. so they are essentially modifiers instead of dedicated keys. |
| 10:25:44 | henrysunset | if f1-f3 were each constant that wouldnt be an issue. |
| 10:26:03 | henrysunset | yeah; i see that; but to me i'd say that is kinda a waste too |
| 10:26:13 | Zagor | but that would also mean having to hunt in the menu for those frequent toggles |
| 10:26:20 | henrysunset | true |
| 10:26:32 | henrysunset | what about somethign liek a hold a ong time for menu thing |
| 10:26:40 | henrysunset | can we detect how long button is pressed? |
| 10:26:45 | langhaarrocker | yes |
| 10:26:51 | henrysunset | do we use that? |
| 10:26:56 | Zagor | yes, for repeat |
| 10:26:57 | langhaarrocker | it's used eg for pitch |
| 10:26:59 | henrysunset | oh ok |
| 10:27:03 | henrysunset | hrm |
| 10:27:17 | Zagor | and some functions are activated on "long hold" |
| 10:27:27 | henrysunset | good call |
| 10:27:38 | henrysunset | may as well get everythign you can get out of it |
| 10:27:57 | henrysunset | any dual button commands? |
| 10:28:05 | Zagor | yeah, plenty :-) |
| 10:28:06 | langhaarrocker | yes |
| 10:28:09 | henrysunset | ok |
| 10:28:22 | Zagor | F2+LEFT toggles shuffle, for instance |
| 10:28:36 | langhaarrocker | on+up increases pitch |
| 10:28:39 | Zagor | F1+DOWN toggles keylock |
| 10:28:51 | Zagor | you should probably read the manual. there are many keys... :-) |
| 10:29:08 | henrysunset | yes |
| 10:29:10 | henrysunset | ...looking |
| 10:31:00 | henrysunset | yes this is really a tricky arrangement. |
| 10:31:09 | henrysunset | ooh |
| 10:31:10 | henrysunset | i got one |
| 10:31:16 | henrysunset | ever use a ti85? |
| 10:31:28 | Zagor | no, i don't think i have |
| 10:31:32 | langhaarrocker | Henrysunset: I'm working on bindable key schemes so that the user will be able to configure which keys map to what with a config file. I think that many menus will turn user configurable, too. Once we have that you can do ui without programming. |
| 10:31:33 | henrysunset | we could have f1/f3 do diff stuff @ diff times |
| 10:31:46 | henrysunset | and label them at the bottom line of the screen |
| 10:31:52 | Zagor | modalities? ;) |
| 10:31:57 | henrysunset | yes |
| 10:32:09 | henrysunset | but if it is consistently modal and labelled it's not evil |
| 10:32:26 | henrysunset | i agree this problem is too complex to be 100% unmodal |
| 10:32:49 | Zagor | henrysunset: yeah, we could. but: 1) it eats yet another row on the display 2) it makes it harder to memorize the location of functions, since they keep moving |
| 10:33:06 | henrysunset | it's a interestign idea at the least. |
| 10:33:35 | henrysunset | goodness; if we have control of on/off; how do you turn it off??? |
| 10:33:39 | Zagor | F2 and F3 displays a "label" screen that tells you which key does what. so it almost works this way already. |
| 10:33:57 | henrysunset | so it does |
| 10:33:58 | Zagor | henrysunset: hold down OFF. That is the only key we can't get repeats from :-) |
| 10:34:04 | henrysunset | ahhh |
| 10:34:07 | henrysunset | :-) |
| 10:34:09 | henrysunset | tricky |
| 10:34:24 | langhaarrocker | complain at archos about that :) |
| 10:34:29 | henrysunset | s'alright |
| 10:35:05 | henrysunset | all i can say is yal''s existence is the only reason i am buying it anyhow |
| 10:35:16 | henrysunset | i tried one years ago and hated it too much |
| 10:35:17 | Zagor | :-) tell *that* to archos |
| 10:35:21 | henrysunset | hehhe |
| 10:35:32 | henrysunset | it made *no Sense* |
| 10:35:59 | Zagor | was it a recorder, or the older model? |
| 10:36:08 | henrysunset | older i think |
| 10:36:14 | henrysunset | not enough bottons |
| 10:36:26 | langhaarrocker | then it was a player |
| 10:36:52 | Zagor | yeah, those are pretty strange |
| 10:37:12 | langhaarrocker | I want a touch pad |
| 10:37:24 | Zagor | :) |
| 10:37:55 | henrysunset | hrm; could we have a neat feature like this (assuming we can write to dsik): have the whole tree of files as on/off's. selectign a file as on makes it in the playlist; off and it's gone. selecting a folder as on turns on all childeren and off turns them all off? |
| 10:38:14 | Zagor | we sure could |
| 10:38:15 | henrysunset | so a "playlist" would be viewale in the tree AND as the playlist itself |
| 10:38:21 | henrysunset | that would rule |
| 10:39:20 | henrysunset | so the f-keys... are they labeled ont he recorder? |
| 10:39:28 | langhaarrocker | no |
| 10:39:30 | henrysunset | i haven't a high enough res image of it |
| 10:39:38 | henrysunset | does it tell what to do w/ them onscreen? |
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| 10:40:04 | Zagor | not directly. but once you press one, it displays a help screen |
| 10:40:25 | henrysunset | (refeering to the built in system i meant) |
| 10:40:30 | henrysunset | not rockboxx |
| 10:40:46 | langhaarrocker | it does |
| 10:40:51 | Zagor | ah, ok. yeah the builtin system is more like your idea: labels and different function in each menu |
| 10:40:56 | henrysunset | k |
| 10:42:18 | henrysunset | we could use the f1-f3 as sorta a navigation tool... kinda like back forward and home in a webbrowser |
| 10:42:31 | henrysunset | they almost look like arrows |
| 10:42:37 | langhaarrocker | Archos firmware made me loose many recordings because I took 'stop recording' for 'make a new file' |
| 10:42:48 | henrysunset | d;oh |
| 10:42:53 | henrysunset | and it deletes it infact? |
| 10:43:17 | langhaarrocker | No but I wanted to go on recording in a new file but not stop recording. |
| 10:43:28 | Zagor | henrysunset: yeah, but people generally want access to features fast and noninteractively. navigating implies feedback and interactivity. |
| 10:43:47 | henrysunset | yes it does |
| 10:44:26 | henrysunset | and they want 800x600 full color screens and a backrub. :-) |
| 10:44:33 | langhaarrocker | using rockbox blindly could be improved. |
| 10:44:40 | Zagor | apple went the navigating route on the iPod, and many people hate them for it |
| 10:44:48 | henrysunset | ipod is quite nice |
| 10:44:54 | henrysunset | but not blindly usable |
| 10:45:01 | henrysunset | unless they added a sopken UI |
| 10:45:08 | Zagor | :-) |
| 10:45:08 | langhaarrocker | :) |
| 10:45:37 | henrysunset | well; it's a compromise however you split it. |
| 10:45:37 | langhaarrocker | Let's make rockbox an annoying telephone answer machine! |
| 10:45:47 | henrysunset | riight |
| 10:46:16 | langhaarrocker | "Pleas hit f1 if you want to speak with the operator, F2 for service ...." |
| 10:46:34 | Zagor | the fun part is it's actually doable :) |
| 10:46:47 | henrysunset | i bet it is |
| 10:46:53 | henrysunset | prolly not hard even |
| 10:47:03 | henrysunset | well; without seeing (and no voice UI); all you can really expect to do is change song and volume |
| 10:47:12 | Zagor | just solder together a DTMF to serial box and plug it in the remote control hack |
| 10:47:14 | henrysunset | unless the ui is hella memorizable |
| 10:47:14 | Zagor | jack |
| 10:47:18 | henrysunset | hah |
| 10:47:32 | henrysunset | that'd be funny |
| 10:47:39 | henrysunset | a call-in mp3 player |
| 10:47:40 | Zagor | yeah, it would |
| 10:47:44 | Zagor | hehe |
| 10:47:50 | langhaarrocker | :) |
| 10:48:40 | langhaarrocker | We should use the internal mic and analyse that. -> Answer time about 2h |
| 10:49:05 | henrysunset | voice recognitin eh? |
| 10:49:13 | Schnueff | maybe just touch-tone for a start :) |
| 10:49:16 | Zagor | lol |
| 10:49:44 | langhaarrocker | hope the batteries don't drain before voice recognition completes. |
| 10:49:49 | henrysunset | yeah |
| 10:49:54 | Zagor | voice recognition on a 12MHz chip. it'd be like that computer in "Hitchhikers guide" |
| 10:49:57 | henrysunset | it don't charge off usb no? |
| 10:50:05 | Schnueff | rockbox == babelfish ? |
| 10:50:05 | Schnueff | :) |
| 10:50:14 | Zagor | 4000 years later there's an answer: "42" |
| 10:50:18 | henrysunset | hehe |
| 10:50:22 | Schnueff | ah |
| 10:50:42 | henrysunset | are the batts remotely easy to swap on the recorder? i defintiely gonna put in 1800's |
| 10:50:52 | henrysunset | 2100's if i can find cheap enough |
| 10:50:55 | Zagor | henrysunset: yeah, very easy |
| 10:51:05 | henrysunset | with/w/out screwdriver? |
| 10:51:09 | Zagor | without |
| 10:51:18 | henrysunset | oh really? |
| 10:51:26 | henrysunset | so it's reasonable to carry spares? |
| 10:51:37 | langhaarrocker | Many people complained about the difficulties of changing batteries. I don't know why. |
| 10:51:41 | henrysunset | that is good news |
| 10:51:44 | Zagor | yup. the silver cylinders to the left and right of the lcd are battery covers. |
| 10:51:57 | henrysunset | oh i thought u had to unscrew the blue thignies |
| 10:52:00 | Zagor | nope |
| 10:52:05 | henrysunset | but it only accepts nimh |
| 10:52:08 | Zagor | only when you swap out the harddisk :-) |
| 10:52:16 | henrysunset | which i intend to do |
| 10:52:22 | henrysunset | yay 40$ for 40gb |
| 10:52:27 | henrysunset | not a bad upgrade |
| 10:52:29 | Zagor | hehe |
| 10:52:37 | henrysunset | after sellign 20 that is |
| 10:52:57 | Zagor | here's how to open the unit without bending any metal parts: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/disassemble.html |
| 10:53:00 | henrysunset | so after 220$ it'l have bigger batts and twice the space |
| 10:53:06 | langhaarrocker | If you have a 40 gb harddrive we have to invent video for rockbox. |
| 10:53:12 | henrysunset | i only need that for the HD tho |
| 10:53:28 | henrysunset | hehe; video on the teeny screenie |
| 10:53:39 | langhaarrocker | in bw without gray. |
| 10:53:49 | henrysunset | ever see the swimming dolphin visualizations on car cd players? |
| 10:53:59 | henrysunset | any way to hack grey |
| 10:54:06 | langhaarrocker | I don't have a car. |
| 10:54:07 | Zagor | interlacing, maybe |
| 10:54:18 | henrysunset | tey did it on the ti85 w/ asm code that had a wacky refresh |
| 10:54:22 | langhaarrocker | dither. |
| 10:54:34 | henrysunset | 12mhz eh? |
| 10:54:38 | Zagor | ypu |
| 10:54:44 | henrysunset | ugh |
| 10:54:48 | henrysunset | not a lot to work w/ |
| 10:54:58 | henrysunset | what architecture? |
| 10:54:59 | langhaarrocker | The refresh is not so much of a problem but the lcd is a bit slow |
| 10:55:09 | henrysunset | slow at drwaing or what? |
| 10:55:19 | henrysunset | limited bandwidth? |
| 10:55:24 | langhaarrocker | 12 MHz is enough. More would only waste batteries |
| 10:55:30 | henrysunset | yea true |
| 10:55:36 | henrysunset | what cpu? |
| 10:55:40 | henrysunset | eh |
| 10:55:43 | henrysunset | i can look that up |
| 10:55:46 | henrysunset | :-) |
| 10:56:00 | langhaarrocker | lcd technology. We can refresh the thing faster than it can turn pixels on and of. |
| 10:56:01 | Zagor | sh-7034 |
| 10:56:17 | Zagor | hitachi |
| 10:56:17 | henrysunset | oh, so we could pull off grayscale then |
| 10:56:30 | henrysunset | haxor style |
| 10:56:30 | Zagor | possibly. i don't think anyone's tested it yet. |
| 10:56:47 | | Part Zagor |
| 10:56:49 | henrysunset | but why is always relevant |
| 10:57:18 | henrysunset | i drove him away |
| 10:57:28 | henrysunset | thx laugh etc... |
| 10:57:33 | henrysunset | er langh |
| 10:57:38 | langhaarrocker | yes? |
| 10:57:43 | henrysunset | thanks :-) |
| 10:57:46 | henrysunset | for the info that is |
| 10:57:51 | henrysunset | i'm off to bed |
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| 10:58:00 | Zagor_ | whoa |
| 10:58:00 | henrysunset | i'll dream of rockboxes and interfaces |
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| 10:58:05 | langhaarrocker | Oh, that made Zagor reappear |
| 10:58:08 | henrysunset | network cabbloey? |
| 10:58:25 | Zagor | xwin32 crashed horribly |
| 10:58:37 | henrysunset | p,s, b4 i pass out; where geographically ya'll form? |
| 10:58:39 | langhaarrocker | network: It can receive serial data |
| 10:58:43 | henrysunset | d'oh that's not good |
| 10:58:50 | henrysunset | *from |
| 10:58:53 | Zagor | henrysunset: i'm from sweden |
| 10:58:59 | henrysunset | and are there now? |
| 10:59:00 | langhaarrocker | germany |
| 10:59:09 | Zagor | yeah, i'm there now |
| 10:59:09 | henrysunset | europeans eh? |
| 10:59:15 | langhaarrocker | yes. aliens |
| 10:59:18 | henrysunset | i liked both places whn i visited |
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| 10:59:23 | Zagor | we've got contributors from all over the place |
| 10:59:41 | langhaarrocker | Africans? Chineese? |
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| 11:00:00 | Zagor | we have some people from south africa, and definitely chinese |
| 11:00:05 | langhaarrocker | cool |
| 11:00:22 | henrysunset | that's good to cover all bases |
| 11:00:33 | henrysunset | good contrib's are good wherever from |
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| 11:00:42 | langhaarrocker | Strange that we don't have chineese fonts yet. |
| 11:00:52 | henrysunset | no? that's too bad |
| 11:01:16 | henrysunset | anyway |
| 11:01:16 | henrysunset | ttyl |
| 11:02:09 | henrysunset | grmbl; hasn't shipped yet. |
| 11:05:43 | Triple-z | hows the quque is going? |
| 11:21:32 | Zagor | Triple-z: is anyone working on queue? |
| 11:22:44 | Triple-z | dunno |
| 11:22:49 | Triple-z | so ive been told |
| 11:26:26 | quel|out | Zagor: i heard something about that, but i can't remember what :) |
| 11:26:53 | langhaarrocker | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=618973&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 11:29:45 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: has the logarithmic peak meter patch been considered yet? |
| 11:30:05 | Zagor | i haven't looked at it yet. the write code is keeping me busy. |
| 11:30:20 | langhaarrocker | go on being busy then! |
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| 11:48:43 | Bagder | hey ho |
| 11:48:48 | Schnueff | yo |
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| 11:51:47 | langhaarrocker | Mahlzeit |
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| 12:22:42 | | Nick Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 12:22:49 | Zagor | yo, bagder |
| 12:33:52 | Bagder | you think I should carry along a linux laptop tomorrow? ;-) |
| 12:34:18 | Zagor | if you have one, bring it! |
| 12:34:24 | Bagder | i installed one this morning |
| 12:34:36 | * | Zagor drools |
| 12:34:54 | Bagder | I thought I'd get the rockbox cvs to it etc during the afternoon |
| 12:34:56 | Zagor | grab the code and we're set for the weekend :-) |
| 12:34:59 | Bagder | yeps |
| 12:35:08 | Zagor | great! |
| 12:37:46 | Bagder | it has usb too |
| 12:38:08 | Zagor | good |
| 12:38:19 | Bagder | I'll get a linux kernel tarball too |
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| 13:03:57 | Zagor | "Linux has surpassed Unix to become a leading challenger as a platform for embedded development." |
| 13:04:08 | Zagor | uhh, who ever used Unix for embedded development??? |
| 13:04:18 | | Nick seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 13:04:43 | Bagder | there's a solaris for embedded ;-) |
| 13:05:04 | Zagor | o god. requires a SparcII minimum, i bet... |
| 13:05:29 | Bagder | probably |
| 13:21:45 | mem | Isn't Linux a type of Unix? |
| 13:21:46 | Zagor | really odd problem in today's build |
| 13:22:08 | Zagor | mem: yeah, but those kind of articles often mean commercial unices when they say "Unix" |
| 13:23:09 | mem | Zagor: I know that commercial perspective of the the work Unix but I think it's odd |
| 13:23:35 | Zagor | I agree. it's journalist-speak |
| 13:24:22 | * | mem saw something interesting in this weeks Debian News: Nasa has developed FlightLinux that will be used for spacecrafts, etc |
| 13:24:59 | Zagor | yeah, i've heard about that. sounds cool :) |
| 13:25:13 | mem | http://flightlinux.gsfc.nasa.gov/ |
| 13:26:02 | mem | When will Rockbox be standard equipment on ISS? :-) |
| 13:29:22 | Zagor | hehe. mission critical systems. |
| 13:29:56 | Schnueff | would give u perfect 2001 feeling |
| 13:38:10 | langhaarrocker | How do you call this phenomenon when a single button press results in multiple events due to electromechanical reasons? |
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| 13:39:06 | langhaarrocker | (Kontaktprellen) |
| 13:39:42 | Zagor | bounce |
| 13:40:31 | langhaarrocker | Is it normal that key presses on the uisimulator (windows) bounce? |
| 13:40:53 | Zagor | i don't know, I have never tried the win simulator |
| 13:41:01 | Zagor | the x11 version doesn't bounce |
| 13:41:38 | langhaarrocker | On WinXP it gets stuck on the Fx_screens |
| 13:43:13 | Zagor | you can't get out? |
| 13:43:40 | langhaarrocker | no. I can still change the offered options but I cant leave the screen. |
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| 13:44:00 | Zagor | strange |
| 13:48:01 | Blaster_Master | I have a quick question.. a while ago i read an article describing the effects of reformating the JB6000 with a diferent blocksize... is there any truth in that ? |
| 13:48:22 | Blaster_Master | i mean in a performance gain :) |
| 13:48:32 | Zagor | different blocksize? do you mean cluster size? |
| 13:49:25 | Blaster_Master | og yes |
| 13:50:12 | Zagor | you could do that. I doubt you'll see much difference, however. |
| 13:50:46 | langhaarrocker | can rockbox cope with different cluster sizes? |
| 13:50:51 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:51:11 | Zagor | but not different sector sizes |
| 13:51:37 | Zagor | i have never seen anyone use sector!=512 though, so it's not much of a problem |
| 13:51:49 | Blaster_Master | what do yopu recommend i do, the standart thing in windows 2000 |
| 13:51:56 | Zagor | Blaster_Master: yeah |
| 13:52:20 | Blaster_Master | okeedokeley |
| 13:52:59 | langhaarrocker | Another question I never dared to ask: When the original firmware boots from rom - is it copied into memory before execution? |
| 13:53:30 | Zagor | we don't know for sure, but I would guess so. |
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| 13:59:10 | langhaarrocker | Do we know wether all the firmware is in the rom or if some of it is mask-programmed in the sh1? |
| 13:59:35 | Zagor | i don't know |
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| 14:03:10 | langhaarrocker | The gdb/serial thing - Does that enable you to step through the code and read out the registers for debugging? |
| 14:04:01 | Zagor | yes |
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| 14:41:11 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: concerning key schemes. |
| 14:41:11 | langhaarrocker | We for sure want a compiled in factory preset key scheme. I'd like to maintain the factory presets in the same file format that the user can use to make his own key schemes. We could use a mechanism similar to the lang files: generate c files from the scheme config file. |
| 14:41:50 | Zagor | why generate C files? surely you don't interpret the text data raw? |
| 14:42:14 | langhaarrocker | no |
| 14:42:56 | Zagor | ah, sorry i was confused. yes, that would be a good idea. |
| 14:43:25 | langhaarrocker | But I don't want to have the scheme file parsing twice - for the rockbox and for genscheme. |
| 14:44:16 | langhaarrocker | This means we get a genscheme tool that uses c code from apps/key_scheme. -> A break of unwritten rules. |
| 14:44:52 | Zagor | true. make it elegant. :-) |
| 14:46:54 | langhaarrocker | The only solution I have in mind is to have a tools/genscheme.c that links with a heavily #ifdef'ed apps/key_scheme.c. |
| 14:47:15 | langhaarrocker | Maybe there are more elegant options. |
| 14:47:58 | Zagor | start with that. i don't have any better ideas. |
| 14:48:17 | langhaarrocker | Have we had code that was shared between rockbox and tools yet? Font generation? |
| 14:48:27 | Zagor | no |
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| 15:06:15 | Bagder | hoa |
| 15:06:21 | Bagder | nice weather |
| 15:06:26 | Bagder | http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/SPXX0052_f.html |
| 15:06:58 | Zagor | looks ok :) |
| 15:07:12 | Zagor | i need to dig out my shorts from the closet :) |
| 15:07:18 | Bagder | hehe |
| 15:09:02 | Zagor | nice rant, bagder |
| 15:09:03 | langhaarrocker | I'll need an umbrella. |
| 15:09:18 | Bagder | Zagor: he makes me a bit upset |
| 15:09:23 | Zagor | yeah, me too |
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| 15:09:36 | matp | hello, anyone around? |
| 15:09:40 | Bagder | moooo |
| 15:09:40 | Zagor | yup |
| 15:09:59 | matp | howdy. I've not been round these parts for a while ... |
| 15:10:00 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: bse? |
| 15:10:14 | Bagder | bse? |
| 15:10:25 | Zagor | mad cow |
| 15:10:27 | langhaarrocker | This mad-cow desease |
| 15:10:37 | Zagor | matp: welcome back :-) |
| 15:10:46 | Bagder | ah |
| 15:10:50 | matp | thanks :) |
| 15:10:50 | Bagder | yep |
| 15:10:51 | langhaarrocker | matp: brought up any features? |
| 15:10:51 | Bagder | that's me |
| 15:11:09 | Zagor | ugh, i messed up the fat driver a bit... :-) |
| 15:11:40 | matp | not even glanced at the code for a couple of months now |
| 15:11:50 | Bagder | shame on you! |
| 15:11:52 | Bagder | :-) |
| 15:12:07 | matp | I'm ready to get stuck in again |
| 15:12:29 | Zagor | matp: goodie. we've got a todo at http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO |
| 15:12:42 | Zagor | plus heaps and heaps of feature requests, of course :-) |
| 15:13:09 | matp | I've just got hold of 1.4. It's not doing multi-line scrolling. known issue? |
| 15:13:16 | matp | I'll take a look at the TODO |
| 15:13:20 | Schnueff | uh is the TODO updated |
| 15:13:22 | Zagor | 1.4 doesn't support multi-line |
| 15:13:26 | Schnueff | http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO |
| 15:13:29 | Schnueff | eh sorry |
| 15:13:59 | Zagor | cvs does |
| 15:14:07 | matp | I got this as a wps: |
| 15:14:13 | matp | %s%ia |
| 15:14:13 | matp | %s%id |
| 15:14:13 | matp | %s%it |
| 15:14:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK matp |
| 15:14:13 | matp | Time: %pc / %pt |
| 15:14:13 | matp | %pb |
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| 15:14:14 | matp | %pm |
| 15:14:17 | Zagor | but currently cvs is broken in some other ways due to my fat muckabout |
| 15:14:40 | matp | and nothing scrolls at all |
| 15:14:50 | matp | ooh, can't wait for fat write support |
| 15:14:59 | Zagor | matp: 1.4 only supports one %s |
| 15:15:06 | Zagor | we need to specify that in the docs |
| 15:16:02 | matp | the lastest build supports it? |
| 15:16:06 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:16:23 | matp | should have known to get the bleeding edge :) |
| 15:16:36 | Zagor | don't |
| 15:16:43 | Zagor | it bugs right now. i'm fixing. |
| 15:16:51 | Bagder | you'll get Zagor's bugs too, they're bundled ;-) |
| 15:17:25 | matp | hehe |
| 15:20:19 | matp | ok, expect to see me around. I'll be back :) |
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| 16:04:36 | Zagor | phew, fat works again... |
| 16:04:51 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 16:04:51 | * | Bagder applaus |
| 16:05:13 | Zagor | it's hairy business |
| 16:05:21 | * | langhaarrocker grins |
| 16:14:11 | mem | Talking about bugs, it's a bug in the FAT32 comments from yesterday. Zagor "Nixed some bugs" |
| 16:14:18 | Schnueff | hehe |
| 16:14:28 | Bagder | :-) |
| 16:16:54 | mem | And as "nix" in Swedish is like "no-way", so it's a bit funny |
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| 16:19:31 | Zagor | it's true. there's no way there are bugs in my code :-) |
| 16:20:04 | mem | Zagor:-) |
| 16:20:16 | mem | No bugs in the code, just in the comment |
| 16:21:00 | Zagor | hehe |
| 16:21:20 | Zagor | we need to debug the comments |
| 16:21:39 | mem | :-) |
| 16:21:53 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: add that to the todo list. |
| 16:24:42 | adi|home | bagder.. what was this rant that zagor was mentioning you made? |
| 16:24:48 | adi|home | anything for public consumption? |
| 16:24:51 | Bagder | no |
| 16:24:59 | Bagder | work-related |
| 16:25:17 | Bagder | sorry |
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| 16:27:55 | adi|home | np |
| 16:28:05 | adi|home | okay.. im fixing the snow demo not displaying... |
| 16:28:11 | Zagor | good |
| 16:28:29 | adi|home | i noticed it the other day, thought it was just my unit being stupid :) |
| 16:35:35 | Zagor | FYI: Bagder and I will be away the rest of the week. |
| 16:35:50 | adi|home | honeymoon? |
| 16:35:53 | langhaarrocker | Who allowed that? |
| 16:35:56 | * | adi|home grins |
| 16:36:02 | * | Bagder slaps adiamas ;-) |
| 16:36:24 | adi|home | come on.. it was funny and you know it :) |
| 16:36:34 | * | Bagder giggles |
| 16:36:44 | Bagder | poor Linus ain't coming with us |
| 16:36:56 | adi|home | hehe see.. ive maintained my humor as ive increased my code output :) |
| 16:37:07 | adi|home | where ya going? |
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| 16:37:28 | Bagder | we're going to Spain |
| 16:37:37 | adi|home | nice |
| 16:37:40 | adi|home | buisness trip? |
| 16:37:42 | adi|home | vacation? |
| 16:37:48 | Bagder | business |
| 16:38:06 | adi|home | nice |
| 16:38:26 | Bagder | you know, lots of talk on how to become better, how to develop, how to sell more, find new markets... yada yada |
| 16:38:26 | adi|home | damn europeans and your ease of traveling between countries... |
| 16:38:37 | Schnueff | hehe |
| 16:39:31 | * | adi|home just wants to know when you are going to offer him a job :) |
| 16:39:58 | langhaarrocker | In europe? |
| 16:40:04 | adi|home | sure... |
| 16:40:08 | adi|home | im joung |
| 16:40:11 | adi|home | young even |
| 16:40:12 | adi|home | i can move |
| 16:41:39 | adi|home | snow fixed |
| 16:42:07 | langhaarrocker | What? You fixed snow? |
| 16:42:14 | langhaarrocker | :) |
| 16:42:30 | Schnueff | snow here has some bugs |
| 16:42:38 | Schnueff | it comes down in the form of rain |
| 16:42:46 | adi|home | defind 'bugs' |
| 16:42:52 | Bagder | we'll soon be covered in snow here |
| 16:42:53 | adi|home | define even |
| 16:43:00 | adi|home | heheh damn swededs |
| 16:43:06 | Bagder | already had our first snow storms |
| 16:43:07 | * | adi|home screams at his keyboard |
| 16:43:15 | Schnueff | adi|home: as i said, it's raining cats and dogs |
| 16:43:17 | adi|home | see.. this is what happens when i sleep all night and code during the daylight |
| 16:43:27 | * | adi|home pokes Schnueff |
| 16:43:29 | adi|home | the fix it ;) |
| 16:43:33 | Schnueff | u fxi |
| 16:43:34 | Schnueff | fix :) |
| 16:44:04 | adi|home | heheh nope.. |
| 16:44:10 | adi|home | i don't think anythin is wrong with it ;) |
| 16:44:23 | Schnueff | whats ommand-line ? :) |
| 16:44:52 | adi|home | hehehe |
| 16:44:59 | adi|home | bah.. coding is easy to learn ;) |
| 16:45:06 | adi|home | its like the game of go |
| 16:45:16 | adi|home | easy to learn, a lifetime to master :) |
| 16:45:23 | Zagor | spelling is hard |
| 16:45:52 | adi|home | nods |
| 16:46:07 | * | Zagor kicks dosfsck |
| 16:46:18 | Zagor | Free cluster summary wrong (400484 vs. really 400485) |
| 16:46:26 | adi|home | what is the on trick mentioned for the bounce demo? |
| 16:46:39 | Bagder | press ON to switch "mode" |
| 16:46:48 | Zagor | that bugs too in daily build |
| 16:47:15 | adi|home | lol |
| 16:47:21 | adi|home | what bugs? |
| 16:47:44 | Bagder | pressing on while running bounce I guess |
| 16:49:06 | Zagor | yeah |
| 16:49:13 | Bagder | I got the best mail yday |
| 16:49:43 | Bagder | "please tell me how much money (>1000$) you want for the help you've provided us" |
| 16:50:04 | Zagor | lol |
| 16:50:09 | mem | Bagder: Was it from Archos? :-) |
| 16:50:11 | Bagder | and its not a fake |
| 16:50:21 | Bagder | it's a happy curl user |
| 16:50:35 | Zagor | yay |
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| 16:54:05 | Zagor | ahhh, GOT TI |
| 16:54:07 | Zagor | IT |
| 16:54:33 | Bagder | you write fat fine? ;-) |
| 16:54:38 | Zagor | yeah |
| 16:55:06 | Zagor | but I allocate a cluster too many if you fill up the previous cluster exactly |
| 16:55:23 | Zagor | so dosfsck complains |
| 16:55:38 | Zagor | but only when over-writing files, not creating... :-) |
| 16:57:17 | Bagder | made the basics for a test suite I see |
| 16:57:37 | Zagor | yup |
| 16:58:59 | Zagor | make sure that laptop's charged tomorrow :-) |
| 16:59:12 | Bagder | I'll try |
| 16:59:24 | Bagder | I'll try to remember my USB cable too ;-) |
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| 16:59:33 | Zagor | hehe |
| 16:59:53 | Bagder | I haven't built a new kernel yet either, so we'll probably need to set that up too |
| 16:59:58 | langhaarrocker | There's no better place then a train for programming. |
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| 17:00:02 | Zagor | ok |
| 17:00:10 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: too bad we're on a plane :) |
| 17:00:51 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: you won't get much done then. |
| 17:01:33 | langhaarrocker | Nearly all the code I produced for rockbox was programmed on train. |
| 17:01:50 | Bagder | hm |
| 17:01:54 | Bagder | now why doesn't bounce work? |
| 17:03:47 | Bagder | who wants to go to spain without a working bounce? ;-) |
| 17:04:25 | adi|home | bounce works |
| 17:04:32 | adi|home | i just think the 'on' is a bit flakey |
| 17:04:39 | adi|home | like your not detecting the repeat or something |
| 17:04:54 | Bagder | hm |
| 17:05:34 | Bagder | mine doesn't work |
| 17:05:42 | Bagder | I'll do a clean and rebuild |
| 17:06:50 | adi|home | god damn it... wtf is with ppl submitting feature/bug requests w/o reading the FAQ? |
| 17:06:52 | Bagder | nope |
| 17:06:58 | Bagder | it does not work for me |
| 17:07:07 | adi|home | trying now |
| 17:07:18 | Bagder | it says 'off to stop' for a second and then bails out |
| 17:07:31 | adi|home | seems to work for me.. |
| 17:07:43 | adi|home | ill try a clean build again.. hold on |
| 17:07:51 | Bagder | hm I think I know why |
| 17:09:31 | Bagder | fixed |
| 17:10:18 | adi|home | what was it? |
| 17:10:35 | Bagder | it got the release event and bailed out immediately |
| 17:10:43 | Bagder | I changed & to a == |
| 17:11:02 | Zagor | it bugs if you hold it down too |
| 17:11:14 | Zagor | prolly repeat related |
| 17:11:20 | Bagder | hold down what? |
| 17:11:24 | Zagor | on |
| 17:11:47 | Bagder | not with my fix now, does it? |
| 17:11:49 | Zagor | maybe you're not supposed to do that :-) |
| 17:11:55 | Zagor | maybe not |
| 17:14:43 | adi|home | it seems like the default settings for bounce make it act weird on my player |
| 17:15:36 | adi|home | xsanke: 1 ysanke: 1 xadd:1 yadd:1 xdist: -4 ydist: -6 |
| 17:15:42 | adi|home | anyone else have that by default? |
| 17:16:18 | Bagder | {"xsanke", 1}, |
| 17:16:18 | Bagder | {"ysanke", 1}, |
| 17:16:18 | Bagder | {"xadd", 1}, |
| 17:16:18 | Bagder | {"yadd", 1}, |
| 17:16:19 | Bagder | {"xdist", -4}, |
| 17:16:21 | Bagder | {"ydistt", -6}, |
| 17:16:28 | Bagder | looks like a default, yes ;-) |
| 17:16:36 | adi|home | heheh |
| 17:16:45 | adi|home | gives me a weird bounce like that... |
| 17:17:04 | adi|home | xsanke and ysanke = 0 is a bit better.. but it may just be me |
| 17:17:27 | adi|home | what does sanke mean anyway? |
| 17:17:38 | Bagder | the sanke stuff is the speed getting a sine wave added to it |
| 17:17:55 | adi|home | got ya |
| 17:18:05 | Bagder | sanke is just the guy we once knew who "invented" that weirdo thing |
| 17:18:06 | Zagor | old skool C64 demo stuff :) |
| 17:18:39 | adi|home | hehe okay |
| 17:19:11 | Bagder | when we get file writing, I'll save the settings ;-) |
| 17:19:19 | adi|home | hehee |
| 17:19:48 | adi|home | i think if cube spin rate was related somehow to the music that would be really cool :) |
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| 17:20:58 | Bagder | ... and then make bounce take a given .txt file to scroll |
| 17:21:21 | adi|home | nods |
| 17:21:27 | adi|home | thats completely doable |
| 17:21:32 | Bagder | indeed |
| 17:21:37 | adi|home | oh... oh.. |
| 17:21:44 | adi|home | have it scroll the name of the song playing ;) |
| 17:21:47 | Bagder | with that ON scroll it's almost there |
| 17:22:01 | Bagder | that's almost too easy! |
| 17:22:26 | adi|home | heheh what we _could_ do is |
| 17:22:29 | adi|home | the .txt file |
| 17:22:35 | langhaarrocker | animate it using the peak info! |
| 17:22:48 | adi|home | could come from the .wps info :) |
| 17:22:58 | Bagder | I tried to actually make the bounce-scroller bounce |
| 17:23:00 | adi|home | it: %pn |
| 17:23:03 | Bagder | but it looked crap |
| 17:23:26 | Bagder | can't move the letters fast enough looking good |
| 17:23:35 | langhaarrocker | :( |
| 17:23:57 | adi|home | damn that slashdot |
| 17:24:02 | adi|home | their poll is unfair |
| 17:24:10 | adi|home | who is your favorite cartoon geek |
| 17:24:18 | adi|home | they have Dexter AND Mojo-jojo |
| 17:24:34 | Zagor | who is your favorite carton geek? ;) |
| 17:25:19 | adi|home | heheh i like Dexter .... |
| 17:25:25 | adi|home | but mojo-jojo rocks! |
| 17:26:09 | Zagor | is that someone who is obsessively interested in cartons, or simply appears on them frequently? |
| 17:26:19 | adi|home | hehehe |
| 17:26:30 | adi|home | dexter is from the cartoon 'dexter's laboratory; |
| 17:26:46 | adi|home | and mojo-jojo is a villan from 'Powerpuff Girls' |
| 17:26:56 | Zagor | gotta go |
| 17:27:00 | adi|home | damnit.. they have brain too.. |
| 17:27:03 | adi|home | didnt see that.. |
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