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| 08:54:15 | | Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) |
| 08:55:44 | mem | Bagder: hi |
| 08:56:08 | dwihno | Yay! He has returned! Bagder is back! |
| 08:56:18 | mem | Yesterday I didn't have the time to look into the language problem but I hope that I can spend some time today |
| 08:59:19 | Bagder | I don't think I dare to tell you what I did ;-) |
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| 09:01:09 | mem | Tell me or dwihno or whom? |
| 09:01:19 | dwihno | Well, it was Zagor who removed the snake game |
| 09:01:31 | dwihno | That was (imho) the biggest mistake in the RockBox history |
| 09:01:49 | mem | Why is the snake removed? |
| 09:01:57 | dwihno | dunno |
| 09:02:04 | dwihno | Power abuse? :) |
| 09:02:07 | Bagder | because there was another snake game |
| 09:02:54 | mem | And what is it that you don't dare to tell us? |
| 09:03:17 | Bagder | I so goofed up trying to upgrade my libc |
| 09:03:20 | dwihno | Bagder: you can't really compare two snake games! :/ they are two unique individuals! :~~( |
| 09:07:57 | dwihno | Bagder: SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put back snake0r! :) |
| 09:07:59 | dwihno | I beg you! |
| 09:08:01 | dwihno | Please! |
| 09:08:18 | Bagder | with loadable modules, there will be no limit |
| 09:08:43 | * | dwihno has no CVS acces |
| 09:09:06 | dwihno | Bagder: how big is your skattesats? |
| 09:09:22 | Bagder | one bazillion percent |
| 09:10:14 | * | dwihno spanks Bagder with a barbed icicle |
| 09:12:28 | Bagder | hey, we're swedes, we're taxed to death |
| 09:16:00 | mem | dwihno: Are you in the entertainment business? |
| 09:16:38 | dwihno | Bagder: I agree, 33.52% is my skattesats :¨~( |
| 09:16:53 | dwihno | mem: well, I'm entertained at work, if that's what you mean :) |
| 09:16:54 | Bagder | I wish I only paid 33.52 ;-] |
| 09:17:05 | Schnueff | moin |
| 09:17:16 | dwihno | Bagder: you are one of those damned höginkomsttagare! :) |
| 09:17:49 | Bagder | yes, I shall be punished |
| 09:18:01 | mem | dwihno: Your /whois says dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE and isn't Baldakinen the company that owns the large clubs in Stockholm, etc? |
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| 09:21:06 | Bagder | morning Z |
| 09:21:08 | | Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 09:21:09 | Zagor | hi |
| 09:22:40 | dwihno | mem: did I authorize a /whois? ;D |
| 09:22:54 | dwihno | The not-so-white sheep is back |
| 09:23:07 | dwihno | Zagor "remover-of-snake" Zagorino |
| 09:24:39 | Zagor | snake must die |
| 09:27:30 | dwihno | :( |
| 09:27:36 | dwihno | Jar-Jar Binks must die! :) |
| 09:28:02 | Zagor | i predict snake will make a triumphant return as a .rock |
| 09:29:55 | dwihno | :D |
| 09:30:04 | dwihno | And my GAME(tm) will be released :) |
| 09:30:20 | Zagor | nah, that'll probably never happen ;) |
| 09:30:27 | dwihno | :-) |
| 09:30:32 | dwihno | Foo on you, you damn bar! :) |
| 09:33:46 | Bagder | Zagor: Linus the man is up for an rblunch, and so I am |
| 09:36:08 | dwihno | rblunch? |
| 09:36:17 | Bagder | rockboxlunch |
| 09:36:22 | dwihno | räkbox :) |
| 09:36:38 | dwihno | and what's so special about those lunches? :) |
| 09:36:50 | Bagder | we hit the "Curry Corner" and have an indian food time |
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| 09:39:10 | dwihno | curry corner? |
| 09:39:12 | dwihno | sounds fishy |
| 09:39:15 | dwihno | in a curry sense :) |
| 09:42:34 | Zagor | rblunch is cool, but no chicken for me |
| 09:43:00 | Bagder | no chicken!? |
| 09:43:11 | Zagor | i'm making chicken tonight |
| 09:43:15 | Bagder | aha |
| 09:43:31 | Bagder | well, you may be excused this time ;-) |
| 09:43:36 | * | Zagor welcomes everybody to the #kitchen channel |
| 09:43:39 | Bagder | but don't make it a habbit! |
| 09:43:48 | Zagor | hobbit? |
| 09:44:49 | dwihno | Zagor has fallen for the chicken commericals |
| 09:44:58 | dwihno | I bet you ate peasoup last night too, didn't you, Zagor? :) |
| 09:47:59 | Bagder | Zagor: linus said he might be a little late, but he'll call us when he's closing in |
| 09:48:11 | Zagor | ok |
| 09:48:53 | mem | Bagder: Curry Corner is that in Vreten/Sumpan? |
| 09:48:58 | Bagder | yeps |
| 09:49:26 | mem | bin there, done that |
| 09:49:28 | dwihno | an rblunch and you didn't even consider inviting me :( |
| 09:50:10 | Bagder | we need to have these secret meetings to come up with all those evil conspiracies that we do |
| 09:50:17 | mem | I would say that CC is one of the better Indian restaurants I've tried |
| 09:53:16 | henrysunset | 'ello |
| 09:54:49 | Zagor | hola |
| 09:56:43 | dwihno | Buongiorno! :D |
| 09:58:28 | | Join Mine78 [0] (Pozzolo@62.211.161.242) |
| 09:58:49 | Mine78 | goodmorning everybody ! |
| 09:58:58 | Mine78 | can I report a thing about rockbox 1.4 ? |
| 09:59:58 | Mine78 | anyone there ? |
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| 10:00:07 | Bagder | yes, plenty |
| 10:00:17 | Mine78 | I have a problem |
| 10:00:28 | Bagder | so tell us, don't tell us that you itend to tell us |
| 10:00:32 | Mine78 | I select "turn off backlight when charging" but th light still stays on |
| 10:00:36 | Mine78 | :) |
| 10:00:54 | Mine78 | Archos recorder hardware .128 |
| 10:01:15 | Mine78 | 1.28 |
| 10:01:31 | Mine78 | is it an already known bug ? |
| 10:02:08 | Zagor | isn' the option "turn ON backlight when charging"? |
| 10:02:14 | Mine78 | yes it is |
| 10:02:21 | Mine78 | I selcet NO |
| 10:02:22 | Zagor | so is it on or off |
| 10:02:25 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:02:32 | Mine78 | but light still stays ojn |
| 10:02:54 | Zagor | so you boot into rockbox and then plug in the charger? |
| 10:03:00 | Bagder | works for me |
| 10:03:01 | Schnueff | what about the backlight time option, which value? |
| 10:03:13 | Mine78 | no I simply plug the ac adapter |
| 10:03:21 | Mine78 | after shutting down the recorder |
| 10:03:25 | Bagder | then rockbox doesn't run |
| 10:03:37 | Mine78 | time = 4sec |
| 10:03:43 | Zagor | your option has no effect then, since that is controlled by archos |
| 10:03:45 | Bagder | it's the archos firmware you see |
| 10:04:05 | Schnueff | ah |
| 10:04:08 | Mine78 | so the light turn off only if the archos is already on ? |
| 10:04:25 | Mine78 | I kmean when I plug the ac adapter |
| 10:04:25 | Bagder | rockbox only controls things if it runs |
| 10:04:30 | Zagor | the rockbox code must be running for the rockbox settings to have effect |
| 10:04:49 | Mine78 | So what I must do to solve this ? |
| 10:04:56 | Bagder | start rockbox |
| 10:05:01 | Zagor | boot rockbox first, then plug in the ac cable |
| 10:05:07 | Mine78 | Ok perfect ! |
| 10:05:09 | Mine78 | Thanks |
| 10:05:17 | Mine78 | The revision 1.4 is really cool ! |
| 10:06:49 | Bagder | Zagor: you notice a really crappy connection to contactor? |
| 10:06:55 | Mine78 | One last thing: when I plug the usb cable and the ac adapter the archos is recharging or not ? |
| 10:07:13 | Zagor | Bagder: it's a bit lagged but not to terrible |
| 10:07:34 | Zagor | Mine78: it is |
| 10:07:52 | Zagor | Mine78: rather, it is charging if you see the battery animation |
| 10:08:28 | Mine78 | er.... u are right :-P |
| 10:09:16 | henrysunset | no responces in the mailinglist to my UI ideas... hrm. |
| 10:10:21 | Bagder | henrysunset: I think we all fail to see the big advantage your system would introduce |
| 10:11:02 | henrysunset | oh well |
| 10:11:04 | henrysunset | i see it |
| 10:11:17 | henrysunset | but if I can't convince anyone its of no use |
| 10:11:53 | Bagder | I'm not saying its bad, I'm saying that I don't see the benefits |
| 10:12:06 | Bagder | can you tell me in two sentences why your system is better than what we have now? |
| 10:12:12 | henrysunset | in my job i am somewhere inbetween a ui person and a manager so i have more control of the process; here it's all about convincing dev-minded folks of intangible gains |
| 10:12:18 | henrysunset | and i understand. |
| 10:12:32 | henrysunset | i'll try,,, |
| 10:14:39 | henrysunset | the system gives the user a clearer seperation of local (navigating this screen) vs global (navigating amogst screens); it adds a clear place for new features to fit in; and it makes it easier to complete basic tasks without looking at the screen at all. |
| 10:15:02 | henrysunset | if that isn't enough then i rest my case i guess. |
| 10:15:24 | Bagder | well |
| 10:15:29 | henrysunset | the biggest part i suppose is the ability to grow... i don't see how a playlist feature can fit onto the existing ui |
| 10:15:36 | Bagder | this is open source, no one works on anything they don't want to |
| 10:15:55 | henrysunset | yup; i understand that. |
| 10:16:20 | henrysunset | and dev types liek to do things they can show off as "features" |
| 10:16:32 | Zagor | henrysunset: playlist goes into the menu, just like recording and other things |
| 10:16:36 | henrysunset | features earn praise nto some intangible niceness |
| 10:16:46 | Zagor | henrysunset: you're being unfair |
| 10:17:01 | Bagder | i disagree there henrysunset |
| 10:17:02 | henrysunset | playlist would be a 100% core thing for me; and it'd be hard to get to inside a menu |
| 10:17:11 | henrysunset | yes |
| 10:17:21 | henrysunset | saying niceness is ignored isnt true |
| 10:17:30 | Zagor | changing the UI is a major pain for our users. they already change once, from archos to our system. changing again must mean a real, tangible, improvement |
| 10:17:37 | henrysunset | in all fairness it is still leaps and bounds better than archos software |
| 10:18:06 | henrysunset | i know that. |
| 10:18:34 | PsycoXul | Zagor: sometimes i think you guys give too little credit to archos users |
| 10:18:52 | PsycoXul | Zagor: of all the portable music players ever put on the market, i think the archos attracts the geekiest crowds |
| 10:19:17 | henrysunset | well; I tried. I know a evolved version of my ideas would be an improvement; but it may infact be too far into the game to make it worth it |
| 10:19:38 | henrysunset | and how much better is definitely hard to say without having it in my hands to try |
| 10:19:39 | Zagor | ok, i'll revise my statement: changing the UI is a major pain for me :-) |
| 10:19:46 | Bagder | personally, I see it as a bug report and a suggested fix, but I don't quite see the bug |
| 10:19:47 | henrysunset | that is totally fair. |
| 10:20:16 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 10:20:29 | henrysunset | maybe; when the scriptable UI is available i can prototype it and we'll see what peopel think then |
| 10:20:47 | Zagor | yeah, that would be interesting |
| 10:20:52 | henrysunset | until then i'll just ride the wave of change and see where it goes |
| 10:21:07 | Bagder | I guess that even some faked screen dumps with some example could help people see the beauty of it too |
| 10:21:21 | henrysunset | :-( too bad i can't code it myself |
| 10:21:28 | henrysunset | i will add some of them perhaps |
| 10:21:38 | PsycoXul | the way i see it, the interface is likely to evolve through a combination of open discussion and plain old steadily expanding capabilities inherent in it's current development process |
| 10:21:39 | henrysunset | but i don't have a lot of time for it. |
| 10:21:46 | PsycoXul | into whatever suits it's purposes best |
| 10:22:24 | PsycoXul | and so looking at the channel here now it looks like it's all going well |
| 10:22:26 | henrysunset | psyco: that's kinda why i fear that it will get kludgey; adding upon adding will eventually just lose the original simplicity... or atleast it could |
| 10:22:46 | henrysunset | but time will tell. |
| 10:23:05 | henrysunset | the OSS movement is certainly an interesting one |
| 10:23:12 | PsycoXul | henrysunset: and if/when that happens, somebody'll probably take all their knowledge and experience getting to that point and apply it to at least a minor redesign |
| 10:23:27 | Zagor | henrysunset: if things go painfully kludgey, we'll have an incitament to change. and so we will. |
| 10:23:27 | henrysunset | yup. |
| 10:23:54 | Bagder | hm, bostream is all messed up |
| 10:23:58 | henrysunset | unless development mided people just become blind to the kludginess |
| 10:24:09 | Zagor | Bagder: booostream ;) |
| 10:24:13 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:24:21 | Bagder | ~26ms to my dns |
| 10:24:26 | henrysunset | cuz you memorize the intricacies and the workarounds and dont see it anymore |
| 10:24:27 | PsycoXul | henrysunset: thats what hordes of whiney users are good for |
| 10:24:28 | Zagor | henrysunset: possible, but unlikely. we have very vocal users ;) |
| 10:24:56 | henrysunset | one example in current UI that drives me mad... the f2/f3 menus stay stuck until you press f2/f3 again |
| 10:25:11 | PsycoXul | oh that reminds me |
| 10:25:15 | henrysunset | like f3 won't get you out of the f2 menu |
| 10:25:27 | PsycoXul | i need to upgrade my rockbox and see if there's still one annoying bit of UI behaviour in the latest |
| 10:25:28 | henrysunset | and on won't take you to the explorer |
| 10:25:32 | PsycoXul | i haven't updated in a while |
| 10:25:54 | dwihno | Some people call me space cowboy, some people call me the gangster of love. Some people call me "dwihn0r", whee wheew! |
| 10:25:59 | dwihno | :-) |
| 10:27:14 | henrysunset | hey; here's a question... if you come up to a rockbox and for whatever reason cannot look at the screen. (say it's in your backpack). Is there any sequence of keypresses that will always advance the player to the next track? |
| 10:27:14 | PsycoXul | but with what i've got on there now, (it's a player btw) if i press, for example, menu+plus to turn up the volume, then let go of plus and press stop wishing to turn on the keylock, it doesn't work.. i have to let go of menu, then press and hold it over again to hit stop and turn the keylock on |
| 10:27:42 | Zagor | PsycoXul: that's a bug. file it. |
| 10:28:36 | Zagor | henrysunset: good point |
| 10:28:53 | henrysunset | is that a somewhat convincing point? |
| 10:29:02 | PsycoXul | Zagor: ok, well i haven't updated since before some (i think) fairly major changes to the button handling code (actualy the reason i haven't updated in a while), so that bug may have gotten trampled in the wheels of progress already.. if not, i'll file it |
| 10:29:11 | henrysunset | there is clearly no keysequence to answer that problem |
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| 10:30:17 | henrysunset | if you were to read thru my doc you would see that tapping f1 then tapping right will always go to the next track no matter the state |
| 10:30:30 | PsycoXul | henrysunset: press next, wait... if next track doesn't begin, turn off keylock, press next |
| 10:30:44 | henrysunset | what to turn off keylock? |
| 10:30:51 | PsycoXul | i dunno about on recorders |
| 10:30:55 | PsycoXul | on players it's menu+stop |
| 10:30:56 | henrysunset | what if it's in the explorer? |
| 10:31:24 | henrysunset | if it's in the explorer; you will just traverse deeper into the hierarchy |
| 10:31:47 | PsycoXul | well then following my directions, you'd probably find yourself almost exactly where you were before pressing anything... |
| 10:31:51 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 10:32:02 | PsycoXul | just 2 files further down the list |
| 10:32:07 | PsycoXul | or something |
| 10:32:11 | henrysunset | yeah |
| 10:32:17 | henrysunset | but if it was in the backpak |
| 10:32:20 | henrysunset | or you were driving |
| 10:32:27 | henrysunset | it would be an impossible problem |
| 10:33:06 | PsycoXul | such is the downfall of screen toggle buttons |
| 10:33:10 | henrysunset | no (sane) sequence of keypresses will always get the next track to play |
| 10:33:26 | Zagor | henrysunset: one major point is the player. your system doesn't work at all for players. |
| 10:33:37 | Zagor | they don't have F-keys |
| 10:33:38 | henrysunset | i think it will. |
| 10:33:55 | henrysunset | what keys do the players have? |
| 10:34:00 | henrysunset | on of up down left right? |
| 10:34:07 | PsycoXul | players have on, menu, -, play, +, stop |
| 10:34:08 | henrysunset | er off |
| 10:34:12 | Zagor | ON, MENU, PLAY, STOP, NEXT, PREV |
| 10:34:28 | henrysunset | how does it turn off? |
| 10:34:30 | PsycoXul | -, play, +, and stop are all on one big round button and can't be pressed simultaneously (at least not easily) |
| 10:34:37 | PsycoXul | henrysunset: holding stop |
| 10:34:40 | henrysunset | yes i understand |
| 10:34:53 | Zagor | comparison photo here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/devcon/show.cgi?img4083.jpg |
| 10:34:54 | henrysunset | ok so stop = off |
| 10:35:28 | henrysunset | may I have a moment to formulate a responce? |
| 10:35:42 | Zagor | naturally. we're in no hurry. |
| 10:36:16 | PsycoXul | we can apparently have on+menu, menu+on, on+{-,play,+,stop}, menu+{-,play,+,stop}, on+menu+{-,play,+,stop}, um probably menu+on+{-,play,+,stop} and maybe even {-,play,+,stop}+blah etc |
| 10:36:32 | henrysunset | gotcha |
| 10:36:47 | henrysunset | so there are just these 2 models in terms of keys? |
| 10:36:58 | henrysunset | and the player has less creen |
| 10:37:03 | henrysunset | *screen |
| 10:37:08 | henrysunset | ok; brb |
| 10:37:11 | PsycoXul | not just less screen, but also less capable |
| 10:37:22 | PsycoXul | it's not bitmap |
| 10:37:42 | Zagor | right, only these two models |
| 10:38:05 | Zagor | you should probably know about the remote control too. not that it changes much |
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| 10:38:25 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/remote.jpg |
| 10:38:35 | Zagor | the same remote for both models |
| 10:39:30 | Zagor | the two small circular buttons on the remote is vol+ and vol- |
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| 10:43:08 | henrysunset | oh |
| 10:43:14 | henrysunset | another question |
| 10:43:30 | henrysunset | does the player have the f2/f3 quickmenus in some other way |
| 10:43:35 | henrysunset | or must they use preferences? |
| 10:44:05 | Zagor | they must use preferences |
| 10:44:08 | henrysunset | ok |
| 10:44:27 | henrysunset | well i actually was gonna give them quickmenus too |
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| 10:44:49 | henrysunset | but if they don't "need" them it would be less complex to avoid them. |
| 10:45:20 | Zagor | they're difficult to make due to the limited display on the players |
| 10:45:33 | henrysunset | so i see. |
| 10:45:40 | henrysunset | couldn't it be done iconically? |
| 10:45:53 | henrysunset | or does that screen not really support icons either? |
| 10:46:13 | Zagor | it does, to some extent. we can redefine 4 characters. 5x7 pixels... |
| 10:46:21 | henrysunset | only 4 |
| 10:46:23 | henrysunset | sheesh |
| 10:46:23 | henrysunset | ok |
| 10:46:39 | Zagor | 4 on the old display model, 8 on the more recent (more common) |
| 10:46:48 | henrysunset | k |
| 10:46:52 | henrysunset | wierdness |
| 10:47:03 | henrysunset | so go for lowest common denominator i guess |
| 10:47:47 | Zagor | either that, or if we can dynamically fallback to an uglier display for the older units. i'd guess 75-90% of players use the new display. |
| 10:47:54 | henrysunset | yeah |
| 10:47:56 | henrysunset | k |
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| 11:08:34 | PsycoXul | ok i must say |
| 11:08:53 | PsycoXul | the scrolling text viewer patch on the patch tracker ROCKS |
| 11:09:27 | Triple-z | witch one? |
| 11:09:53 | PsycoXul | it's like perfect, except it's a little outdated with respect to icons, and it'd be nice if you could access the menu from it |
| 11:10:18 | PsycoXul | Triple-z: huh? there's only one i think... heh |
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| 11:11:30 | PsycoXul | 617976scroll text files* 2002-10-03 01:56nobodynobody |
| 11:11:32 | PsycoXul | that |
| 11:12:02 | PsycoXul | another odd thing is that, while the backlight timeout works while the text is scrolling |
| 11:12:06 | PsycoXul | it stays on while it's "paused" |
| 11:12:13 | Zagor | haha |
| 11:12:20 | PsycoXul | it seems to me like if it should do any such thing, it should be the exact opposite |
| 11:12:40 | PsycoXul | it would be a nice option to have it stay on while scrolling, anyways |
| 11:13:25 | PsycoXul | but this is finaly something usable for reading all these books i've got in text on here |
| 11:14:19 | PsycoXul | actualy i like the one that lets you scroll around the file manualy [the default one now i guess] for some other kinds of text files |
| 11:14:22 | PsycoXul | but this is better for books |
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| 11:14:50 | PsycoXul | i'd like to see them as quick-switchable modes so you can use either depending on the file you're looking at |
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| 11:17:28 | PsycoXul | i'll have to try that .rockbox browsing patch next |
| 11:17:59 | PsycoXul | but this setup'll get me through the weekend |
| 11:31:57 | PsycoXul | ok bug report on that menu+key thing filed, 631986 |
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| 11:38:55 | langhaarrocker | &%*!!! I left my USB cable at the office. Could anybody be so kind as to mail me his one? :) |
| 11:40:25 | PsycoXul | i just can't wait for the playlist building/editing so i can finaly get back to my standard way of listening to music, just on the go... the whole reason i wanted an archos, and have yet to be able to do since i got it last xmas hehe |
| 11:41:55 | langhaarrocker | And I can't wait for a user friendly way for recording - without having to move the recorded files back and forth to keep the hd error free. |
| 11:42:03 | henrysunset | yeah playlists would be excellent |
| 11:42:25 | PsycoXul | it just has to be able to add 1. single files, 2. whole directories, 3. whole directories traversing subdirectories, 4. whole disk, and preferably also multiple simultaneous selections of each for addition and removal, and all without any retarded sluggishness like holding any buttons for any period of time longer than it takes you to press a 2nd button and let them go |
| 11:42:51 | henrysunset | i have a neat idea for making and editing playlists but i'm gonna hold off on explaining it for no |
| 11:43:05 | henrysunset | 3 is what i want especially badly |
| 11:43:37 | kargatron | so what are your concrete examples? just curious. |
| 11:43:43 | PsycoXul | well on players, 3 is an accidental "feature" of the stock firmware |
| 11:43:55 | PsycoXul | well actualy it's sortof a cross between 3 and 4... |
| 11:44:08 | kargatron | i certainly see wanting #3, etc, but for your "top ten/twenty" wanted recursive dirs, you can make playlists, right? |
| 11:44:09 | PsycoXul | you use the function to add a whole directory to the playlist, and it adds it and every file on the disk after it |
| 11:44:30 | kargatron | are you talking artist dirs, genre dirs? |
| 11:44:32 | henrysunset | psyco; go to the folder u want to add; press pay; t asks you if u wanna add that folder or that folder recursively |
| 11:44:37 | henrysunset | er press play |
| 11:45:09 | PsycoXul | henrysunset: well on players play goes into the folder, so something like on+play would be more like it |
| 11:45:15 | henrysunset | it shoudl handle shortcuts too; that could be helpful hack since we don't have a database for searching |
| 11:45:33 | henrysunset | psyco; p'haps |
| 11:45:54 | PsycoXul | henrysunset: i'd prefer it just do what i tell it to and not ask me anything too |
| 11:45:56 | henrysunset | what about handling addign the folder recursively or not? |
| 11:46:07 | PsycoXul | having to press keys twice for each addition is too slow for me |
| 11:46:14 | PsycoXul | i'd rather seperate combo's |
| 11:46:24 | langhaarrocker | I want a quick way for adding the currently playing file to a selectable playlist |
| 11:46:28 | henrysunset | but it requires memorizing an obscure command |
| 11:46:42 | PsycoXul | personaly i build a giant playlist of whatever strikes my mood, listen to it, then scrap it and build a new one |
| 11:46:42 | henrysunset | that could be a feature of the player view |
| 11:46:50 | henrysunset | yeah i hear ya |
| 11:47:00 | henrysunset | also removing stuff from the plalist is important |
| 11:47:05 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 11:47:19 | henrysunset | maybe even a way to select a bunch of files and add or remove them |
| 11:47:31 | henrysunset | sorta lik shift+up/down on a PC |
| 11:47:47 | langhaarrocker | we need mouse support |
| 11:47:48 | henrysunset | anyway |
| 11:47:50 | henrysunset | to bed w/ me |
| 11:47:53 | henrysunset | oh... |
| 11:47:54 | PsycoXul | another idea i've got is something like holding on and then pressing plus/minus (on players anyways) selects/deselects multiple files |
| 11:48:01 | kargatron | is ON-RIGHT, ON-LEFT currenytly used? those could be add/delete, maybe |
| 11:48:18 | PsycoXul | and then pressing play on those could add them all or whatever |
| 11:48:34 | Zagor | stop talking, start coding :) |
| 11:48:43 | PsycoXul | kargatron: players currently have no combo's in the browser afaik, just in the WPS |
| 11:48:43 | henrysunset | P.S.. i revised the ui doc i workin on to add the controls for the Player hardware as wel as the recorder. interestingly; the player seems to show more improvement than the recorder. |
| 11:49:00 | henrysunset | again http://ghettohardware.com/rockbox if interested |
| 11:49:04 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: I'll have servaral hours on train today. :) |
| 11:49:22 | kargatron | Zagor, that sounds dangerous - i wouldn't necessarily want someone to code something most people didn't find reasonable, all else being equal |
| 11:49:39 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: hehe, good. the write code is good enough to do playlist creation |
| 11:50:03 | henrysunset | what can't the write code do; big files? |
| 11:50:17 | Zagor | long filenames |
| 11:50:18 | henrysunset | to bed w/ me |
| 11:50:27 | Zagor | night |
| 11:50:33 | PsycoXul | me too |
| 11:50:48 | PsycoXul | i just gotta say rockbox rocks, and the future looks bright and exciting |
| 11:51:05 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: I currently prefer working on key schemes. Seems there are enough people who crave for playlists so that I intend to relax on that topic. |
| 11:51:29 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: ok |
| 11:52:34 | PsycoXul | i'll be back sunday... |
| 11:52:36 | PsycoXul | night |
| 11:52:52 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: But there's one thing I might split off and 'release' earlier: configurable ready fx screens without key schemes. |
| 11:53:34 | Zagor | how will you do that without key schemes? |
| 11:54:36 | langhaarrocker | Basically I reused a command table that contains function pointers from key schemes for fn screens. I simply can hardcode these things for a while. |
| 11:57:24 | Zagor | ok |
| 11:57:51 | langhaarrocker | Apart from the usb screen - Is screen.c used in the player at all? |
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| 12:01:27 | dwihno | Trevlig helg på er! |
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| 12:01:54 | langhaarrocker | I think it might be a good idea to move the fn screens functionality to the apps/recorder directory. |
| 12:01:56 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: no |
| 12:02:04 | Zagor | but it could be, in the future |
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| 12:13:10 | Zagor | Bagder: any word from linus yet? |
| 12:13:20 | Bagder | nope |
| 12:15:55 | Zagor | disk writing works quite well now. the test case is pretty thorough |
| 12:16:16 | Zagor | i just need to add mkdir and remove |
| 12:16:23 | Zagor | and long names, of course |
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| 12:24:40 | Bagder | Zagor: Linus says 12:50 at the usual place |
| 12:24:47 | Zagor | ok |
| 12:41:10 | Bagder | lunch |
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| 13:08:34 | faethor | hi guys.. |
| 13:10:24 | kargatron | herro |
| 13:10:36 | faethor | ;D |
| 13:13:31 | faethor | just thought I'd pop in to congratulate Zagor on getting the FAT writing almost done... but he ain't here... |
| 13:13:56 | kargatron | i think he's good ad skimming scrollbacks |
| 13:14:17 | faethor | can't wait to record through line-in with no screen update noise.... that's bloody annoying... |
| 13:15:55 | faethor | can anyone tell me how levels are in Sokoban... :D... getting tough now at level 63.. |
| 13:16:13 | kargatron | i've never actually tried recording. :) just use my ajbr for listening |
| 13:17:44 | mem | I have two questions: How do I display the peak meter? and Can I try the recording function in the daily builds or not? |
| 13:18:47 | mem | faethor: I think Zagor will be back in less than an hour, he left 30 minutes ago or something |
| 13:19:27 | faethor | I'm after recording sounds to use in ym sampler.... I was really disappointed when I found that annoying screen update noise that occurs with the Archos FW also comes through on recording from line-in... |
| 13:19:41 | faethor | although not with the internal mic or SP/DIF |
| 13:20:34 | kargatron | mem, meter is %pm in wps config |
| 13:20:34 | mem | How to try recording? Which keys to press? |
| 13:20:54 | kargatron | not aware that recording is available in recording, but maybe i missed something? |
| 13:20:57 | mem | kargatron: Okay, I haven't looked into the wps-config yet |
| 13:21:12 | kargatron | wps conf rocks |
| 13:21:42 | kargatron | never understood why people ever want bitrate/freq in their wps. :) |
| 13:22:09 | kargatron | but i'm sure others wouldn't know why i want genre. teto |
| 13:22:14 | faethor | I do, probably coz I'm a bit of an audio geek |
| 13:23:58 | kargatron | as i am a musical context/classification geek. |
| 13:24:42 | kargatron | as such, i'm really starting to miss having Year available |
| 13:26:06 | faethor | I gotta say though I find the file display limit a bit frusttrating, All my mp3s are properly named and I just use folders for genre (less hassle when driving)... the 400 file limit doesn't apply coz the filenames are usually pretty long, e.g "Queens of the Stone Age-Songs for the Deaf-08-go with the flow.mp3" so the folder list buffer runs out at about 270 files ... |
| 13:26:42 | faethor | updating playlists when just copying a few new tunes to a folder is a hassle |
| 13:26:47 | kargatron | ack. couldn't deal with that no matter how unique my names were |
| 13:26:57 | kargatron | i want my folders. |
| 13:27:07 | kargatron | genre/artist/album |
| 13:27:15 | kargatron | teto again! |
| 13:29:47 | faethor | yeah, but say you just wanna randomly play all your rock tracks you gotta have an up to date playlist for that, this is just extra maintainance when u add/remove files. Maybe I'm just lazy... |
| 13:29:58 | faethor | ho hum |
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| 13:32:25 | faethor_uk | flippin dial-up suks too... :D |
| 13:32:34 | faethor_uk | just kicked me off |
| 13:33:03 | mem | kargatron: /me just created the first wps-config :-) |
| 13:33:23 | mem | I did remove the album line and then could I see the peek meter |
| 13:33:30 | mem | peak even |
| 13:33:49 | kargatron | with %pm on line 8, you can toggle it on/off with your status bar on/off |
| 13:34:23 | faethor_uk | or you could use 5x7 font, which give u 8 lines on screen... |
| 13:34:26 | kargatron | http://forums.funmp3players.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=5813&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Your+Favorite+WPS+Setting&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder&M=False&S=True |
| 13:34:32 | kargatron | some examples there |
| 13:34:45 | kargatron | yikes, 5x7, have a magnifying glass overlay? :) |
| 13:35:00 | kargatron | uwe_prop's as small as I can handle |
| 13:35:15 | faethor_uk | true.. I use UWE_PROP meself |
| 13:35:57 | mem | kargatron: So smart, to just switch off the status bar |
| 13:36:14 | faethor_uk | %d1 |
| 13:36:14 | faethor_uk | %s%fn |
| 13:36:14 | faethor_uk | Time: %pc/%pt |
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| 13:36:14 | faethor_uk | %fbkbit%fv %ffHz |
| 13:36:14 | faethor_uk | %pb |
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| 13:36:14 | faethor_uk | Track %pp of %pe |
| 13:36:16 | faethor_uk | File Size: %fsKb |
| 13:36:18 | faethor_uk | %pm |
| 13:36:27 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:36:27 | * | mem realized that you can change wps-config while you're playing a song too |
| 13:37:08 | faethor_uk | * reaching new levels of geekosity |
| 13:37:11 | kargatron | now, filesize, THAT's abstruse info. :) |
| 13:37:43 | faethor_uk | I know.. :D |
| 13:38:00 | kargatron | i do want to see someone beat my line length for: %?iy<%iy />%?ig<%ig/%?d3<%?d4<%d4:>%d3/%d2>> |
| 13:38:02 | kargatron | :) |
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| 13:40:07 | faethor_uk | I dont use ID3 tags coz I can't be bothered updatign the 80 or so percent of my 10000+ files with don't have descent ID3 info.. so I fill up the screen with Hz n shit |
| 13:41:12 | faethor_uk | again, call me lazy........ |
| 13:42:02 | kargatron | well, you can use conditionals, get the ID3 when it's there, ignore when not |
| 13:42:03 | faethor_uk | anyone think that cross-fading could be possible with rockbox..... works well with winamp |
| 13:42:17 | kargatron | already considered and rejected: |
| 13:42:28 | kargatron | crossfading needs two decoders, jb has only one |
| 13:42:33 | kargatron | iirc |
| 13:42:34 | faethor_uk | ahh |
| 13:42:49 | kargatron | hardware decoder, not soft |
| 13:42:56 | faethor_uk | sure |
| 13:43:01 | kargatron | also why ogg can't be handled |
| 13:43:18 | kargatron | (hardware limitation) |
| 13:43:51 | mem | kargatron: Couldn't Ogg be supported if someone knew howto download new software to the DSP? |
| 13:44:26 | kargatron | not enough mem, afaik |
| 13:44:36 | mem | Isn't it a generic DSP but we lack of documentation |
| 13:44:39 | kargatron | ogg evidently requires lots of mem just for lookup tables or something |
| 13:44:44 | kargatron | see the faq, all in there |
| 13:44:48 | mem | I am enough :-) |
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| 13:46:30 | mem | Okay, Ogg maybe need to much mem. But .wav could be supported if we knew howto download "pass-through" code to the DSP, isn't that right at least? |
| 13:47:22 | kargatron | unfortunately, i'm only passing on meta-knowledge. not a techie, jb-wise |
| 13:47:33 | kargatron | thought faq addressed wav too |
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| 14:13:33 | faethor_uk | congats on getting the FAT writing done Zagor.... any estimates on when us loyal Rockbox users will have some noise-free line-in recording? As my sampler needs some new HQ sounds... |
| 14:16:09 | faethor_uk | :( |
| 14:16:37 | faethor_uk | xO |
| 14:24:25 | Zagor | :-) |
| 14:24:48 | Zagor | well linus has pretty much finalized recording, so it should not be very long |
| 14:25:43 | Hes | Whoa! Excellent news. |
| 14:26:14 | faethor_uk | cool as large cool thing... cheers |
| 14:26:40 | Zagor | can't say anything about the noise issue though. we'll just have to see. |
| 14:26:44 | Hes | I got myself a new toy (double/upright bass) so I've been a bit too busy to hack on rockbox lately. |
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| 14:27:49 | Zagor | double/upright bass? what's that? |
| 14:28:23 | Hes | double bass, or upright bass... think of the biggest violin that is standing upright |
| 14:28:28 | Hes | contrabass |
| 14:28:33 | Zagor | ah, ok |
| 14:28:48 | Zagor | do you play? |
| 14:29:01 | Hes | apparently yes. 8-) |
| 14:29:10 | Zagor | heh |
| 14:29:26 | Hes | Been playing electric bass quite a lot before, and even more guitar... and a little piano & violing ages ago |
| 14:29:29 | kargatron | but *what* do you play? |
| 14:29:32 | Zagor | i saw some rap group yesterday consisting of a drummer, a bass player and a rapper. looked cool. |
| 14:29:35 | faethor_uk | I assumed It'd be pretty noise free as it's the same annoying screen update noise that is present in the Archos fireware when playing... this is not present when recording from the internal mic or SP/DIF, only the line-in. |
| 14:29:39 | Hes | so it was pretty easy to start off |
| 14:30:11 | Zagor | faethor_uk: well, we can hope |
| 14:31:06 | faethor_uk | sure... well done on rockbox anyhoo... I'm off.. byee |
| 14:31:17 | Zagor | bye |
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| 15:26:41 | elinenbe2 | Happy Nov. 1st!! |
| 15:26:48 | Zagor | :-) |
| 15:27:12 | elinenbe2 | hey, question here. If linux chrashed hard, is there anywhere you can look at a log file to see what was going on? |
| 15:27:29 | Zagor | not until next boot |
| 15:27:36 | elinenbe2 | well, that is what I mean/ |
| 15:27:47 | elinenbe2 | it crashed hard. I can't do anything on the machine as it is! |
| 15:28:11 | Zagor | reboot and check /var/log/* |
| 15:28:18 | elinenbe2 | cool |
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| 16:26:03 | Zagor | remove() added |
| 16:26:15 | elinenbe | nice :) |
| 16:26:29 | elinenbe | now I really will be able to delete all my shizz... |
| 16:27:05 | elinenbe | Zagor: Is LinusN checking out your progress? Maybe he can put his recording code into action! |
| 16:27:51 | Zagor | he is informed. unfortunately, he is a bit occupied with private stuff right now. |
| 16:28:03 | elinenbe | he has babies! |
| 16:28:10 | Zagor | exactly |
| 16:28:48 | kargatron | gads, some priorities, people? sometimes people forget what's important in life. Rockbox! |
| 16:28:59 | Zagor | hehe |
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| 17:09:09 | mem | It's time to finish up and start the weekend! See you all next week! |
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