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| 10:47:17 | Giss|XC | Hello |
| 10:47:36 | Giss|XC | I want to buy a pda |
| 10:47:58 | Giss|XC | but I would like one I could use with a archos recorder |
| 10:48:17 | Giss|XC | to use the hard drive within the archos with the pda... |
| 10:48:30 | Giss|XC | anyone know a pda that might be able to do that ? |
| 10:49:12 | Giss|XC | (it's terribly diffucult to find any information about the fact if a pda can do usb master or only usb slave...) |
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| 17:25:44 | LinusN | damn GPRS connection |
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| 18:45:51 | tal | anyone get their hands on an FM Recorder yet? |
| 18:46:09 | tal | i'm thinking of selling my recorder 20 and getting that one |
| 18:46:46 | LinusN | no, i don't know anyone with an fm recorder |
| 18:47:10 | tal | hum |
| 18:47:20 | tal | will it be open source |
| 18:47:34 | tal | i can't use the factory firmware |
| 18:47:40 | tal | if it's antyhing like the one on the recorder |
| 18:47:42 | LinusN | huh? |
| 18:47:46 | tal | they're fucking idiots |
| 18:47:51 | tal | i'm totally spoiled |
| 18:48:06 | tal | been using rockbox for like 3 weeks |
| 18:48:09 | LinusN | hehe |
| 18:48:12 | tal | every time i have to revert |
| 18:48:14 | tal | for recording |
| 18:48:23 | tal | i remember how much i dispise their firmware |
| 18:48:37 | LinusN | recording is coming up |
| 18:48:38 | tal | just like using a dialup modem after broadband for a few years. |
| 18:48:47 | tal | yeah but i want to get the FM |
| 18:48:54 | tal | and i want to be sure rockbox will support it. |
| 18:48:55 | LinusN | i know the feeling |
| 18:49:06 | tal | dig? |
| 18:49:37 | LinusN | i'm not sure that rockbox will support the fm |
| 18:50:26 | LinusN | it all depends on the hardware |
| 18:50:30 | tal | best guess? |
| 18:50:34 | tal | : / |
| 18:51:00 | LinusN | my guess is that the hardware is more like the MM than te older models |
| 18:51:16 | tal | good guess |
| 18:51:18 | LinusN | with an ARM CPU |
| 18:51:24 | tal | what's an arm |
| 18:51:43 | LinusN | it's a CPU model |
| 18:51:52 | tal | these models are all RISC's right |
| 18:51:59 | tal | made specifically for the decode |
| 18:52:03 | LinusN | yup |
| 18:52:06 | LinusN | no |
| 18:52:20 | tal | the MM one is a hardcore pentium 66 or something? |
| 18:52:21 | tal | heh |
| 18:52:34 | LinusN | no, an ARM |
| 18:52:47 | tal | BAH |
| 18:52:53 | tal | ACRONYMS CAN SMD |
| 18:52:57 | LinusN | and a Texas Instruments DSP |
| 18:53:08 | tal | so is the MM interface any good? |
| 18:53:35 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 18:53:47 | tal | *beats you with a large fish* |
| 18:53:48 | LinusN | soma say it sucks |
| 18:53:54 | tal | then it sucks |
| 18:54:00 | tal | no one would say rockbox sucks. |
| 18:54:15 | LinusN | hehe |
| 18:54:15 | tal | why do i hear a marching band outside |
| 18:54:36 | tal | make it stop |
| 18:54:37 | tal | make it all stop |
| 18:54:40 | tal | *shiver* |
| 18:54:43 | tal | *spasm* |
| 18:55:01 | tal | alright everyone keep up the good work |
| 18:55:10 | tal | if i didn't get a D in unix programming i'de help you out. |
| 18:55:12 | LinusN | we'll do |
| 18:55:25 | LinusN | this is not unix |
| 18:55:34 | tal | i know |
| 18:55:52 | tal | it's its own language right |
| 18:56:04 | LinusN | C |
| 18:56:14 | tal | all unix proging is in C |
| 18:56:21 | tal | the last prog. course i took was unix |
| 18:56:23 | LinusN | almost all, yes |
| 18:56:33 | tal | well |
| 18:56:42 | tal | AI is a lot of programming |
| 18:56:47 | tal | but i fail all those assignemnts. |
| 18:57:56 | tal | learning the stuff for yourself is about 7000 times more powerful than paying a school $4000 a class to force it on you in 15 weeks |
| 18:58:08 | LinusN | yup |
| 18:58:22 | LinusN | i am self-taught |
| 18:58:29 | tal | so why the fuck did i invest the price of a lamborgini into getting this fucking diploma? |
| 18:58:37 | tal | anyone? |
| 18:58:41 | tal | anyone? |
| 18:58:49 | LinusN | because employers look at the diploma |
| 18:58:58 | tal | k i'm gonna go jump off the roof now |
| 18:58:58 | tal | lol |
| 18:59:02 | tal | yeah right |
| 18:59:10 | tal | "ah i see you went to BU, impressive" |
| 18:59:17 | tal | "why isn't your GPA on here?" |
| 18:59:22 | tal | umm.. because it's a joke. |
| 18:59:25 | LinusN | took me quite a while to get my first job |
| 18:59:33 | tal | i can count my GPA on less than one finger |
| 18:59:34 | tal | lol |
| 18:59:45 | tal | anyway |
| 18:59:47 | tal | peace |
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| 19:17:46 | pfavr | hi rockbox folks! I'm thinking about getting involved in rockbox development. The feature "play directories recursively" looks tempting. Any thoughts on that? |
| 19:21:16 | LinusN | yes, a lot |
| 19:21:50 | LinusN | it's of course a memory issue |
| 19:21:57 | pfavr | ok |
| 19:22:45 | LinusN | since there may be thousands of files, we may have to save the playlist on disk |
| 19:23:06 | pfavr | What version of GCC do you think I should try? Is 3.2 any good? |
| 19:23:29 | LinusN | it doesn't matter |
| 19:23:43 | pfavr | Ok, I'll grab the latest then. |
| 19:24:09 | LinusN | what OS? |
| 19:24:51 | pfavr | Wrt. memory and playlist... would it be possible just to remember the current play position and then rescan the directories on every file load? (or use some minor caching in a buffer) |
| 19:24:57 | pfavr | Linux |
| 19:25:37 | LinusN | good that you use linux |
| 19:25:52 | pfavr | Btw LinusN, I enjoyed you reply wrt. scheduling on the mailing list |
| 19:26:07 | LinusN | rescanning the dirs will take too much time and battery |
| 19:26:57 | pfavr | I guess the trouble is with random play? |
| 19:27:10 | LinusN | enjoyed, as in amused? |
| 19:27:38 | LinusN | random is a problem |
| 19:27:42 | pfavr | Enjoy as in shouting: hear! hear! (wrt. buy more trouble than do good) |
| 19:28:07 | pfavr | (or am I remembering it wrongly?) |
| 19:29:12 | pfavr | If we play the songs in sequence, couldn't we just remember the current file path/directory and then successively go on to play the next one? |
| 19:30:29 | LinusN | yes, that may be possible |
| 19:31:45 | LinusN | but it is still hard to handle the recursiveness |
| 19:33:07 | pfavr | Do you think it would be possible to implement random play like this: 1) read the root directory 2) choose a random entry (dir or file) 3) if it is a file, play it, else read directory and repeat. |
| 19:33:35 | LinusN | then you can't keep track of which songs have been played |
| 19:34:28 | pfavr | Maybe we could come up with a scheme for that also. |
| 19:35:07 | pfavr | How much memory do we have for things like this? |
| 19:35:18 | LinusN | 16k |
| 19:35:23 | pfavr | ok |
| 19:36:24 | pfavr | (thinking) |
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| 19:41:28 | LinusN | resume is another thing to consider |
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| 19:51:43 | pfavr | I think I'll sleep on this. But non-random play and random (without memory) should not be that hard. What is the (prictical) upper limit on number of files on the drive? |
| 19:52:03 | pfavr | (prictical -> practical) |
| 19:52:19 | LinusN | only the size of the disk |
| 19:52:40 | LinusN | 65000 entries per dir |
| 19:53:02 | pfavr | How many .mp3's do you have on your disk for example? (I have about 4000 on mine) |
| 19:53:36 | LinusN | i have about 4000 too |
| 19:54:15 | pfavr | I could imagine a scheme where random (with uniqueness) would be used for e.g. less than 8192 files and above that "true" random play would be used |
| 19:55:49 | LinusN | why would the number of files matter? |
| 19:56:00 | pfavr | Or a "cache" remembering the last played tracks (e.g. the last 100) to avoid too early "replay" |
| 19:57:53 | pfavr | Because I think it would be nice to use an array with a "maximum length sequence" as a random number generator. (A MLS is a sequence of numbers, e.g. 1,2,3...8192 which have been swapped randomly) |
| 19:58:22 | pfavr | But if we only have 16K, this should not take up too much space |
| 19:59:06 | LinusN | yes, but where will you store the file name data? |
| 19:59:26 | pfavr | I don't think we need to. |
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| 19:59:48 | Indio | hello |
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| 20:00:03 | pfavr | hi |
| 20:00:13 | LinusN | how will you eep track of which files have been played? |
| 20:00:20 | LinusN | Indio: hi |
| 20:00:34 | Indio | i'm from spain |
| 20:00:46 | pfavr | LinusN, I will associate a number with each file |
| 20:01:10 | Indio | i'm interesting to buy jukebox |
| 20:01:46 | LinusN | pfavr: and how does that association work? |
| 20:01:57 | LinusN | Indio: go buy a recorder |
| 20:02:42 | Indio | Jukebox Recorder 20 USB 2 |
| 20:02:43 | Indio | MP3 Player & Recorder, 20GB, USB 2.0 |
| 20:02:45 | pfavr | I'm not totally sure yet, but I think it is possible to use the ordering of the files in the directory tree. |
| 20:03:00 | LinusN | Indio: that's the one |
| 20:03:12 | pfavr | (I just bought the Recorder 20GB) |
| 20:03:17 | LinusN | pfavr: o |
| 20:03:21 | Indio | is it a good idea? |
| 20:03:35 | LinusN | Indio: yes |
| 20:03:38 | Indio | or is best to buy other |
| 20:05:03 | LinusN | Indio: which other? |
| 20:05:08 | pfavr | I was very dissapointed with my Archos Recorder when I first listened to it (the sound was too low and there was much noise between the tracks). Then I got the RockBox firmware and it solved the problems. Now I'm very happy with it. |
| 20:06:48 | Indio | LinusN: Jukebox Multimedia 20GB |
| 20:07:03 | Indio | this is much for me |
| 20:07:07 | Indio | jeje |
| 20:07:28 | Indio | it's too expensive |
| 20:07:35 | LinusN | Indio: don´t buy the multimedia just to play mp3 files |
| 20:07:48 | Indio | why? |
| 20:08:47 | LinusN | because the recorder is good enough |
| 20:08:59 | Indio | ok |
| 20:09:09 | LinusN | and it has the same MP3 chip afaik |
| 20:09:32 | LinusN | and the NN doesn't have Rockbox :-) |
| 20:09:37 | LinusN | MM |
| 20:09:44 | Indio | LinusN: do yo have a ARCHOS Jukebox Recorder 20 ? |
| 20:09:52 | LinusN | yes |
| 20:09:57 | LinusN | and a Player 6000 |
| 20:10:20 | Indio | how long? |
| 20:11:29 | LinusN | i bought my Player in Autumn 2000 |
| 20:11:46 | LinusN | and my recorder in early 2002 |
| 20:12:31 | Indio | i see, what is the bad option? |
| 20:12:42 | LinusN | bad? |
| 20:13:05 | LinusN | well, there is always room for improvements |
| 20:13:22 | Indio | battery? |
| 20:13:42 | LinusN | well, the battery time is good |
| 20:13:49 | LinusN | about 8-10hrs |
| 20:13:58 | Indio | guau |
| 20:14:09 | Indio | are you american? LinusN |
| 20:14:18 | LinusN | swedish |
| 20:14:38 | Indio | very interesting |
| 20:14:42 | Indio | xD |
| 20:15:02 | Indio | what type of music do you like? |
| 20:15:25 | LinusN | almost everything, depending on the mood |
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| 20:15:44 | diddystar5 | hello |
| 20:15:45 | LinusN | not that much classical stuff though |
| 20:15:55 | LinusN | hi diddystar5 |
| 20:16:03 | diddystar5 | hey linus! hows the newborn? |
| 20:16:13 | Indio | hi diddystar5 |
| 20:16:13 | LinusN | sleeping |
| 20:16:23 | LinusN | i am at the hospital now |
| 20:16:34 | diddystar5 | humm ok |
| 20:16:36 | LinusN | laptop+GPRS |
| 20:16:48 | LinusN | been here since monday 21 |
| 20:17:04 | diddystar5 | wow |
| 20:17:15 | LinusN | my wife is sick |
| 20:18:09 | pfavr | LinusN: how bad is it? |
| 20:18:13 | diddystar5 | give her good luck |
| 20:18:16 | Indio | i'm sorry, LinusN |
| 20:19:13 | LinusN | it's bad, she can't sit or stand, constant pain |
| 20:19:37 | LinusN | will have to sit in a wheelchair the next 6 months or so |
| 20:19:55 | diddystar5 | ouch |
| 20:20:11 | diddystar5 | i feel sorry Linus |
| 20:20:18 | Indio | was she a accident? |
| 20:20:24 | pfavr | uh, that's bad. |
| 20:20:42 | LinusN | Indio: no, a pregnancy |
| 20:20:59 | LinusN | i don't know the name for it |
| 20:21:39 | pfavr | But she will recover completely? |
| 20:21:50 | LinusN | most women do |
| 20:22:24 | pfavr | ok, my wife and I don't have any kids. Guess this is another reason for that |
| 20:22:39 | LinusN | hehe |
| 20:22:50 | LinusN | this is not very common |
| 20:22:57 | Indio | i hope this happend |
| 20:22:57 | diddystar5 | i don't have a wife yet, im only 12 |
| 20:22:59 | pfavr | Was it your first child? |
| 20:23:07 | LinusN | second |
| 20:24:36 | Indio | LinusN: your nick is for the operation system, linux |
| 20:24:54 | diddystar5 | thats cool :) |
| 20:25:09 | LinusN | not only the nick |
| 20:25:14 | Indio | ok |
| 20:25:18 | LinusN | my name is Linus |
| 20:25:34 | pfavr | my name is Peter |
| 20:25:38 | Indio | beautiful name |
| 20:25:40 | pfavr | :-) |
| 20:25:45 | pfavr | Thanks! |
| 20:25:48 | pfavr | :-)) |
| 20:25:48 | LinusN | Linus Nielsen Feltzing |
| 20:26:03 | Indio | it was for linus |
| 20:26:03 | LinusN | wanna see the kid? look at http://linus.haxx.se |
| 20:27:17 | Indio | pfavr: where are you from? |
| 20:27:25 | pfavr | Denmark |
| 20:28:47 | pfavr | nice photos! |
| 20:29:05 | pfavr | diddystar5: where do you come from? |
| 20:29:47 | diddystar5 | oregon |
| 20:30:47 | diddystar5 | great pics linus |
| 20:31:19 | pfavr | Somebody from my family lived in Oregon in 1933 |
| 20:31:37 | pfavr | Junction City, Oregon |
| 20:31:49 | diddystar5 | cool |
| 20:31:55 | pfavr | Son of a danish priest |
| 20:31:55 | diddystar5 | that fairly close |
| 20:34:46 | pfavr | They moved to back to Denmark in 1933 (when he was age 13). He wrote a book about it: "Junction City to Denmark - A boyhood journey" by Visti Favrholdt, ISBN 0-9652961-0-5 (pretty entertaining story if you ask me) |
| 20:34:59 | Indio | How variety of nationalities, it's the best |
| 20:35:29 | diddystar5 | cool pfavr |
| 20:38:45 | pfavr | Unfortunately Visti died at the age of 70 before we got the chance to meet him. He never liked Denmark and moved to Canada with his danish wife Clara as soon as he graduated and earned enough money to pay for the trip. |
| 20:41:34 | * | Indio is away: Cenando |
| 20:42:59 | pfavr | LinusN: consider this: a tree like structure where each node corresponds to directories. In the nodes the total number of files below that directory is stored. When we want to go to file number, say 107, we use this information for finding the right directory, then enumerate the files inside that directory |
| 20:44:03 | LinusN | pfavr: not bad |
| 20:44:15 | pfavr | (I know we have to implement it using an array) |
| 20:44:50 | LinusN | that sounds possible |
| 20:45:01 | pfavr | LinusN: btw, what do you do for a living? |
| 20:45:27 | LinusN | so the resume info would be a path in that tree? |
| 20:45:35 | LinusN | 3-5-67-4 |
| 20:45:50 | pfavr | No just a number. |
| 20:45:57 | LinusN | i'm a consultant, embedded systems programming |
| 20:46:10 | pfavr | thought so. |
| 20:46:32 | pfavr | The structure is just used to speed up searching for the right file. |
| 20:46:54 | pfavr | So if we have 10000 files we just remember that we're currently playing number 2003 |
| 20:47:16 | pfavr | The tree is build when the user presses play on the directory |
| 20:47:37 | LinusN | ok |
| 20:48:05 | LinusN | how about random? |
| 20:48:19 | pfavr | Pick a random number then go search for it |
| 20:48:41 | pfavr | Use a cache of e.g. 100 entries to avoid playing the same file too often. |
| 20:49:12 | pfavr | 100 entries is about 5 hours |
| 20:50:10 | LinusN | i don't like it |
| 20:50:22 | pfavr | do you think it is feasible or should we just wait 'til hd-write is working? |
| 20:50:51 | LinusN | mls sounds better |
| 20:51:17 | pfavr | you're concerned about getting the same track too frequently? |
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| 20:51:42 | LinusN | i am concerned, yes |
| 20:52:04 | pfavr | I wouldn't mind having to push next track every 5 hours or so |
| 20:52:48 | LinusN | for me, it's also a principle |
| 20:52:52 | pfavr | I would even go for random play without any guarantee (until something better comes up). |
| 20:53:24 | LinusN | just scrambling an aray of numbers (MLS) would probably do it |
| 20:53:58 | pfavr | Yes, MLS could be used with this scheme as well. It is just that we're tight on memory here... |
| 20:54:21 | pfavr | And you will not be able to play 4000 files in a row anyway (without recharging) |
| 20:54:23 | LinusN | not *that* tight |
| 20:54:30 | pfavr | 16K? |
| 20:54:41 | pfavr | I took that as a hard limit. |
| 20:54:49 | LinusN | i'm a little concerned about the time it takes to scan the disk |
| 20:54:58 | LinusN | pfavr: hot hard |
| 20:55:17 | pfavr | ? |
| 20:55:24 | LinusN | 20k is acceptable too |
| 20:55:28 | pfavr | ok |
| 20:55:36 | pfavr | now you're talking ;-) |
| 20:55:38 | LinusN | if it solves the problem |
| 20:55:56 | LinusN | as small as possible |
| 20:55:58 | pfavr | Ok, (i'm really motivated right now:-) |
| 20:56:38 | pfavr | Your concern about the time it takes to scan the disk... Is that the time when the user presses play the first time or between the tracks? |
| 20:56:49 | LinusN | both |
| 20:57:01 | LinusN | and when it resumes |
| 20:57:37 | pfavr | I have no idea about it. Will have to try it |
| 20:58:30 | LinusN | do so |
| 20:58:30 | pfavr | Another thing: beeps between tracks/on keystrokes... couldn't we just play a short (in memory) mp3? |
| 20:59:29 | LinusN | yes, that's the only way |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:19 | LinusN | the problem is how to insert it into the stream |
| 21:00:23 | pfavr | (Btw: I asked for your occupation without telling you mine: I used to work as a consultant also in embedded/realtime, now I'm back at the university doing a Ph.D. - I'm going to solve the software crisis;-) |
| 21:01:26 | pfavr | I haven't looked at the source code, but I expect the DSP to read a cyclic buffer and the MCU to fill this buffer? |
| 21:02:05 | pfavr | Does the MCU have a clue about where the DSP is reading from this buffer? |
| 21:03:17 | LinusN | the CPU has a serial conection to the DSP |
| 21:03:43 | LinusN | and it uses DMA to feed the serial port |
| 21:04:04 | pfavr | ok. |
| 21:04:04 | LinusN | and the CPU polls a handshake signal from the DSP for throttling |
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| 21:04:54 | pfavr | How large buffer is the DSP using (guess this determines the delay if other data is inserted into the stream) |
| 21:05:13 | pfavr | I mean: internally after reception through the serial port |
| 21:06:32 | pfavr | I do not know much about mp3. How come it is hard to insert a beep into the data stream? |
| 21:10:49 | LinusN | first of all, the dsp buffer size is unknown, probably 1 frame |
| 21:11:22 | pfavr | how long (in milliseconds) is a frame? |
| 21:12:19 | LinusN | about 26ms |
| 21:12:38 | LinusN | the frames depend on earlier frames |
| 21:13:07 | pfavr | in what way? like mpeg movies? |
| 21:13:23 | pfavr | do we have to wait for "stationary frames"? |
| 21:14:34 | pfavr | (sorry if I'm asking too many questions) |
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| 21:22:15 | LinusN | pfavr: still there? |
| 21:22:21 | pfavr | yes |
| 21:22:49 | pfavr | everybody dissapeared and joined again. Don't know what happened |
| 21:23:27 | pfavr | The last thing i wrote was: (sorry if I'm asking too many questions) |
| 21:23:29 | LinusN | a net split |
| 21:24:29 | pfavr | it is a really nice howto you have written on how to build gcc+binutils. |
| 21:24:40 | LinusN | thanx |
| 21:25:16 | pfavr | do you think I should start out with the daily source tarball or version 1.4? |
| 21:25:32 | LinusN | daily |
| 21:25:42 | pfavr | ok |
| 21:25:43 | LinusN | use cvs |
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| 21:27:34 | pfavr | how about adding a "CVS" entry to the left pane on the website (should just show: http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvs.html ) |
| 21:27:55 | LinusN | i will, i miss it too |
| 21:28:13 | pfavr | :-) |
| 21:36:49 | pfavr | "Because it's fun to do." - hear hear! |
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| 21:38:18 | LinusN | pfavr: that's why Rockbox exist in the first place - because it's fun to do |
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| 21:40:24 | pfavr | yeah, but Rockbox also avoided me throwing the Recorder20 back on the counter. It is the most amazing open source project I have experienced. I mean: it turned me from being an unsatisfied customer who were going to throw the thing out, into a very happy customer. What I do not understand is that Archos is not doing a better job (e.g. fixing that noise problem). |
| 21:40:56 | LinusN | they don't see it as a problem i guess |
| 21:41:22 | langhaarrocker | or as a less problematic than paying for the fix |
| 21:41:23 | pfavr | they're virtually deaf then. |
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| 21:44:35 | pfavr | what sourcefiles should I read first? |
| 21:44:59 | LinusN | for what? the dir play? |
| 21:45:05 | pfavr | yes |
| 21:45:22 | LinusN | playlist.c and tree.c |
| 21:45:29 | pfavr | thanks |
| 21:45:32 | LinusN | dir.c and file.c |
| 21:46:18 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: you still haven't been able to make the jukebox stutter / stop playback? |
| 21:46:27 | LinusN | nope |
| 21:46:47 | langhaarrocker | Admit! You tuned it! |
| 21:47:06 | LinusN | i have a hitachi drive |
| 21:48:01 | langhaarrocker | Have you had multiple lines scrolling when you tested it? |
| 21:48:41 | LinusN | no, only one, plus a peak meter |
| 21:49:08 | langhaarrocker | I can get the jb stop playback with 4 scrolling lines without any meter. |
| 21:49:17 | langhaarrocker | at 256kbit |
| 21:50:05 | LinusN | haven't tried multiple lines |
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| 21:53:18 | langhaarrocker | Has anybody noticed that rolo seems to be broken? |
| 21:53:43 | LinusN | i haven't tried it for long |
| 21:54:15 | langhaarrocker | How can you live without rolo? :) |
| 21:54:27 | LinusN | i haven't tried a daily build for over a week |
| 21:55:48 | langhaarrocker | It says something about an error reading the file length |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:50 | LinusN | uhuh |
| 22:00:59 | langhaarrocker | found something? |
| 22:01:07 | LinusN | no |
| 22:01:49 | langhaarrocker | so why "uhuh" then? |
| 22:03:54 | LinusN | just "aha" or "nod" or "i see" |
| 22:04:17 | LinusN | i don't have the source code here, just the CVS web |
| 22:04:52 | LinusN | laptop+gprs from the hospital, running Window$ |
| 22:05:05 | langhaarrocker | cool |
| 22:05:38 | LinusN | gprs works just fine |
| 22:05:53 | LinusN | but the laptop sucks |
| 22:06:36 | langhaarrocker | I am lying in bed with a laptop on my knees. But I have an ordinary cable attached. |
| 22:08:12 | LinusN | did you try 0x4000 for MPEG_BITSWAP_CHUNKSIZE |
| 22:08:16 | LinusN | ? |
| 22:08:44 | langhaarrocker | not yet. was busy key scheming again. But I'll try now. |
| 22:08:58 | LinusN | good |
| 22:09:55 | langhaarrocker | Where do I find it? |
| 22:10:13 | LinusN | mpeg.h |
| 22:10:46 | pfavr | LinusN: how about running linux on the laptop as well? Is it because of GPRS you're not doing that? |
| 22:11:46 | pfavr | I have a problem building, make stops when it hits the apps dir. |
| 22:12:08 | pfavr | recorder/wormlet.c:36:18: lang.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:13:26 | LinusN | pfavr: i can't, it's not my laptop, and i can't change hard disk either, because the new disk overheats |
| 22:14:08 | LinusN | pfavr: did you run the cnfigure script in an empty dir? |
| 22:14:21 | pfavr | LinusN: ok, just thought I might have helped you out by saying "atdt *99#" |
| 22:14:22 | LinusN | read the README |
| 22:14:56 | LinusN | aha, actually, i couldn't get the irda to work either... |
| 22:15:12 | LinusN | totally dead, without any errors |
| 22:16:08 | pfavr | Yes I made a new dir, ~/Rockbox/build2, cd'ed into it and did ../tools/configure then make |
| 22:16:35 | pfavr | make -C ../apps TARGET=-DARCHOS_RECORDER NODEBUG=1 OBJDIR="/home/pfavr/Rockbox/build2" VERSION=021103-2215 LANGUAGE=english EXTRA_DEFINES="-DDISABLE_NOTHING" |
| 22:16:35 | pfavr | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/pfavr/Rockbox/apps' |
| 22:16:35 | pfavr | Updating dependencies for /home/pfavr/Rockbox/build2/recorder/wormlet.c |
| 22:16:50 | pfavr | recorder/wormlet.c:36:18: lang.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:17:17 | langhaarrocker | pfavr: have you run make in the tools dir yet? |
| 22:17:21 | pfavr | yes |
| 22:17:24 | LinusN | did you run "make" in tools/? |
| 22:17:27 | pfavr | yes |
| 22:18:03 | pfavr | this isn't a gcc2.96 thing is it? |
| 22:18:17 | LinusN | 2.96? |
| 22:18:31 | pfavr | (no I'm running 3.04, pyh!) |
| 22:18:33 | LinusN | do you have 2.96 cross compiler? |
| 22:18:49 | pfavr | no, I thought about the tools! |
| 22:19:01 | pfavr | they run on the host right? |
| 22:19:19 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:19:32 | pfavr | ok |
| 22:20:27 | LinusN | pfavr: but the app builds ok, right? |
| 22:21:34 | pfavr | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../docs/CREDITS', needed by `/home/pfavr/Rockbox/build2/credits.raw'. Stop. |
| 22:21:40 | pfavr | need docs |
| 22:22:01 | LinusN | yup |
| 22:22:08 | pfavr | (I did read that, but had to wait pulling the website from CVS before getting the docs) |
| 22:22:21 | pfavr | (lots of large pics in there) |
| 22:22:33 | LinusN | you don't need www |
| 22:23:18 | langhaarrocker | Hint: never put your 0dB 1kHz test tone files into the same directory with music! |
| 22:24:14 | LinusN | :-) |
| 22:24:37 | pfavr | LinusN: maybe "docs" should be added to "Checking out the source" at http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvs.html |
| 22:25:30 | pfavr | Then while you're at it please remove www from that page to save innocent bandwidth ;-) |
| 22:25:53 | LinusN | from what page? |
| 22:26:00 | pfavr | cvs.html |
| 22:27:00 | LinusN | what's wrong with telling people that the www/ exists? i don't get it |
| 22:27:24 | langhaarrocker | MPEG_SWAP_CHUNKSIZE at 0x4000 doesn't solve the problem |
| 22:27:44 | LinusN | it doesn't? |
| 22:27:46 | LinusN | wow |
| 22:27:47 | pfavr | You're right, maybe just add a note saying: lots of images and you don't need it to build the software |
| 22:28:13 | LinusN | the README says it all |
| 22:28:36 | LinusN | but that is in in the firmware module :-) |
| 22:28:58 | langhaarrocker | behind the abondonned toilet with the sign about the tiger? |
| 22:29:16 | pfavr | No the readme in the firmware module says: go look in docs/readme |
| 22:30:07 | pfavr | that should be changed to ../docs/README to be correct (the build process depends on docs being at the right place) |
| 22:31:09 | pfavr | I don't mean to be picky. Just want to share my experiences while I'm at it (and new to the project, of course it is of small interest to you guys). |
| 22:31:46 | LinusN | change all things you find and send us patches |
| 22:31:57 | pfavr | But I better go and get a CVS account at sourceforge. Then I can fix it myself instead of bother you. |
| 22:32:19 | pfavr | I'm off to bed. Have a nice evening! |
| 22:32:22 | LinusN | you don't have commit access |
| 22:32:43 | LinusN | cu |
| 22:32:54 | langhaarrocker | MPEG_SWAP_CHUNKSIZE _almost_ does the trick |
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| 22:33:03 | langhaarrocker | at 0x8000 |
| 22:34:30 | LinusN | interesting |
| 22:34:44 | langhaarrocker | astonishing: berzerk meter or not hardly makes any difference. |
| 22:35:13 | LinusN | maybe it's the lcd updates |
| 22:38:42 | LinusN | i think it's the disk spinup time |
| 22:39:37 | LinusN | the disk loading may be slower when the wps is heavy |
| 22:40:01 | langhaarrocker | the led blinks -> I think you're right |
| 22:43:16 | langhaarrocker | I'm fed up with that peak meter. I want to do other things. |
| 22:43:56 | LinusN | then do them |
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| 22:47:40 | langhaarrocker | No time - the peak meter keeps me busy |
| 22:47:45 | BoD[] | youhou ! |
| 22:48:32 | LinusN | yo |
| 22:48:33 | langhaarrocker | BoD: please transfer some of your enthusiasm here. |
| 22:49:51 | BoD[] | well .. what's the problem ? |
| 22:50:28 | langhaarrocker | rolo broken, wps to slow, still no key schemes working ... |
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| 22:50:41 | BoD[] | bouuuuuhhh |
| 22:50:48 | BoD[] | well I never used rolo |
| 22:50:58 | BoD[] | I don't even know how to use it :) |
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| 22:51:17 | BoD[] | key schemes .. well .. |
| 22:51:33 | BoD[] | I'd really like to see it working soon :) |
| 22:52:03 | langhaarrocker | I'll be on vacation soon - with the notebook for bad weather. |
| 22:52:20 | BoD[] | you go somewhere ? |
| 22:52:29 | langhaarrocker | To the netherlands |
| 22:52:49 | BoD[] | cool ! |
| 22:52:57 | langhaarrocker | Well actually I _want_ a little bit bad weather. At least windy for windsurfing. |
| 22:53:12 | BoD[] | the drugs and the prostitute shops |
| 22:53:19 | BoD[] | ;) |
| 22:53:38 | Indio | where? langhaarrocker |
| 22:53:50 | langhaarrocker | Everybody keeps saying that. But they must be somewhere else in the Netherlands. |
| 22:53:59 | langhaarrocker | I go to Zeeland |
| 22:54:29 | BoD[] | zeeland ? |
| 22:54:45 | BoD[] | dont know that |
| 22:54:56 | langhaarrocker | That's the sout west of the Netherlands |
| 22:55:27 | BoD[] | ok |
| 22:55:36 | langhaarrocker | The island is called Noord Beveland, the village Kamperland. |
| 22:55:42 | BoD[] | i've been to the nl once but i was young |
| 22:55:58 | BoD[] | but i remember it was cool |
| 22:56:12 | langhaarrocker | To young for the above mentioned touristic attractions? :) |
| 22:56:42 | BoD[] | héhéhéh exactly :)) |
| 22:57:00 | Indio | i didn't know what in Netherlands is good for windsurfin |
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| 22:57:16 | langhaarrocker | Indio: Wind and water |
| 22:57:39 | mike | is the ui simulator available or is it no longer there? |
| 22:58:01 | LinusN | the source is there |
| 22:58:20 | mike | but it used 2 just b a binary right? |
| 22:58:26 | mike | is that no longer availabe? |
| 22:58:28 | LinusN | we use it for development |
| 22:58:42 | mike | oh ok thanks |
| 22:59:22 | langhaarrocker | I don't. I use windows and cygwin. |
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| 23:00:28 | mike | alright and i should prob check the faq 4 this but ill ask anyway- if i already have music on my archos will i have 2 get rid of it 2 put rockbox on my player |
| 23:00:44 | LinusN | no |
| 23:01:00 | langhaarrocker | Is it good music? |
| 23:01:22 | mike | lol i think so |
| 23:01:41 | langhaarrocker | Then you may keep it. But don't pollute rockbox with bad music |
| 23:01:48 | BoD[] | maouhaha:)) |
| 23:02:21 | BoD[] | if it is bad music rockbox will automatically erase it |
| 23:02:39 | langhaarrocker | You should put that on the feature request tracker. |
| 23:02:47 | BoD[] | :))) |
| 23:03:28 | LinusN | mike: it's just like any archos firmware update |
| 23:04:03 | BoD[] | except it's better |
| 23:04:50 | BoD[] | (imho) |
| 23:05:13 | BoD[] | (ianal) |
| 23:05:24 | BoD[] | (arr) |
| 23:05:34 | mike | ...anything is better than the archos firmware |
| 23:05:54 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 23:06:24 | langhaarrocker | But they can have 320kBit playback with a peakmeter simultaniously |
| 23:06:59 | BoD[] | and rockbox can't ? |
| 23:07:09 | BoD[] | i dont use the peakmeter |
| 23:07:12 | LinusN | a lot of people say that they don't |
| 23:07:28 | BoD[] | it's only because it's not default |
| 23:07:46 | BoD[] | so i never took the time to enable it |
| 23:08:04 | BoD[] | (yeah i know : how lame am i!) |
| 23:10:43 | mike | ok im gonna go try rockbox...keep up the great work |
| 23:10:51 | langhaarrocker | BoD: well, I never adopted to lame |
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| 23:11:17 | BoD[] | wmmm . what ? |
| 23:11:53 | langhaarrocker | I use the fraunhofer encoder -> I am not lame |
| 23:12:43 | BoD[] | hmmmm ... ok ? :) |
| 23:12:51 | langhaarrocker | I just notice that the original firware disables the peak meter while loading, too. |
| 23:13:30 | BoD[] | while loading? |
| 23:14:08 | langhaarrocker | while loading mp3 data. |
| 23:14:23 | BoD[] | ok |
| 23:14:34 | BoD[] | like when you press next |
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| 23:14:56 | BoD[] | woups |
| 23:15:04 | langhaarrocker | clumsy fingers |
| 23:15:30 | BoD[] | ;) |
| 23:16:00 | BoD[] | hep |
| 23:16:10 | BoD[] | was it a rumor that video game vm thing ? |
| 23:16:22 | BoD[] | or is it really in development ? |
| 23:16:53 | LinusN | chip8? |
| 23:18:10 | BoD[] | yes! |
| 23:19:00 | LinusN | you call an HP calculator a video game? |
| 23:19:28 | langhaarrocker | Probably has more horsepower that a c64 :) |
| 23:20:21 | BoD[] | well i dont know what i must call it .. but is it already implemented or ?? |
| 23:22:01 | LinusN | there is a patch |
| 23:23:06 | BoD[] | cool |
| 23:23:16 | BoD[] | space invaders |
| 23:23:21 | BoD[] | best game ever ;) |
| 23:26:27 | langhaarrocker | yes, but then came wormlet... |
| 23:26:58 | BoD[] | i dont know this one |
| 23:27:17 | BoD[] | (how lame am I -again) |
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| 23:38:53 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: if the spinup of the disc was the problem - Should increasing MPEG_LOW_WATER solve the problem? |
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| 23:40:35 | LinusN | probably |
| 23:40:41 | LinusN | ut it is very high today |
| 23:40:46 | LinusN | for me |
| 23:46:11 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 23:46:16 | LinusN | good night! |
| 23:46:25 | langhaarrocker | nice dreams |
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| 23:50:17 | langhaarrocker | disabling scrolling the wps while loading cures the performance problem. |
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