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#rockbox log for 2002-11-08

00:02:56 Quit TotMacher ()
00:05:45adi|napyou guys around?
00:05:54LinusNi'm here
00:05:54 Nick adi|nap is now known as adi|home (
00:05:58adi|homea while back...
00:06:00adi|home2 months maybe?
00:06:12adi|homerumor had it that you guys were working on something big..
00:06:23adi|homeand that it would break in time.. but i havnt heard anything
00:06:27adi|homeyou know what im talking about?
00:06:41Zagoruh... no :-)
00:06:54adi|homei think it had to do something with archos
00:08:05Zagori guess you don't have an irc log reference i can use to refresh my memory?
00:08:35adi|homelet me see what i can dig up...
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00:17:50LinusNGiess what i just did?
00:17:58Zagorrecorded to a file?
00:18:24LinusNand it didn't truncate... :-)
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00:19:12LinusNi could hear stuff in the file that was saved in the file from an earlier try
00:19:33Zagoroh, bad. it truncates in the sim.
00:19:41adi|homethe file that displays
00:19:43adi|homeis that index.html
00:20:20Zagorindex.shtml, in this case
00:20:27Zagorbuilt from index.t
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00:20:35adi|homeahh. okay
00:20:54LinusNbut this is soooooo cooooool, that i have actually recorded with rockbox!
00:21:45*LinusN dances wildly in the hospital bed
00:22:57LinusNi was wrong, the file is correctly truncated
00:23:10Zagorah, good
00:23:31*vekar test
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00:25:17LinusNhow does the write work? does it reuse the cluster chain as far as possible or what?
00:25:40Zagori thought that would be the best method
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00:40:22Zagorbed time
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00:41:10LinusNi agree, time to sleep
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00:54:17adi|homecan't find a ref anywhere...
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02:49:57henrysunsetso; when will rockbox Raid 5 arrays come out
02:50:19henrysunsethack your box with maybe 20 batteries and put in like 4 60gb drives :-)
02:51:00henrysunsetthen i'd be able to carry 1/2 of my mp3's; instead of 1/16 or whatever.
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09:21:30Zagormorning, all
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09:28:19bobTHChi all!!!
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09:33:24Zagorhi bobTHC
09:34:00bobTHCno new string on langage file??
09:39:53ZagorbobTHC: ?
09:41:00bobTHCnothing, i look the cvs and no new string added in the english.lang
09:41:13bobTHCi'm just too lazy. ;)
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09:43:14bobTHCu think record will be implemented soon?
09:45:32LinusNi recorded my first file yesterday
09:45:46bobTHCgood news!!!!
09:46:44bobTHCsounds good ?
09:48:57LinusNthe firmware has no control over the sound quality when recording
09:49:33Zagorwell we can set bit rate :-)
09:51:29Zagoralso there is of course the question of RTC noise.
09:51:46bobTHCthe hardware limit the recording feature... but a good recording fonction with blank detection and autonaming function will be great
09:52:00LinusNcoming up
09:53:07bobTHCfor the naming function what u plane to use? virtual keyboard or just incremential letter step by step ?
09:53:23LinusNi don't care about the gui stuff
09:53:40LinusNi write the driver
09:53:59bobTHChardware forever!! ;)
09:54:27LinusNZagor: i need non-truncating writes
09:55:12LinusNfor the VBR header
09:56:42adi|homebobTHC: some dev on the char interface has been done
09:57:17bobTHCwhat style?
09:57:39adi|homethe one i did was a 4x10 display or so
09:57:42adi|home10 chars per line
09:57:45adi|home4 lines high
09:57:58adi|homewith a box surrounding a char for 'selecting'
09:58:03adi|homethen play to select the char
09:58:10adi|homeit was rec only on the initial version
09:58:26adi|homea line below the display showed the chars that were selected
09:58:44adi|homeits in the mail list archive
09:59:51bobTHCsorry, it's surely in the mail archive, but the traffic on it is heavy and i haven't the time to read all, so thanx for the precision adi !
10:00:10bobTHCgood choice.
10:00:15adi|homenp.. you want me to send it to you so you can see it?
10:00:28ZagorLinusN: i'll see if i have time to fix that today
10:00:41bobTHCif u want adi .. thx
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10:17:13Zagoryo, baggie. linus did our first recording to file yesterday.
10:17:52Bagderwhat did he record? ;-)
10:18:21Zagorheavy breathing ;)
10:22:29LinusNZagor: exactly, and some humming too
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10:22:54Zagorhigh fidelity humming, i hope?
10:23:14LinusNoh yeah!
10:24:05Zagorgood. our TQM vision clearly dictates that Quality Is Number #1!
10:24:58bobTHCTQM ?
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10:36:42Bagderso, how's the progress on long file names?
10:37:03Zagornothing written yet. it shouldn't be a big deal, though.
10:39:08ZagorLinus asked for non-truncating write to be fixed first
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11:06:50Bagder20 identical spam mails, each being 727K was sent to the wget mailing list today
11:07:00Zagorhow nice
11:07:07Zagorsize limit is good
11:08:00Bagderbut these fellows think it is *so* useful to allow huge patches to the same list
11:08:17Zagorstrange people
11:09:34LinusNi'm glad i don't subscribe to that list
11:09:42LinusNespecially over gprs
11:10:06Bagderonly 14.5MB ;-)
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11:29:48*Bagder runs for lunch
11:31:56*Zagor too
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12:40:15bobTHCbye all
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12:41:03Zagori love tunnels
12:41:24Bagderi love traffic lights ;-)
12:41:38Zagoralthough my name's not Bambo
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12:57:24LinusNreligion alert on the mailing list!
13:01:34Zagori am your mulla
13:02:05LinusNMulla Zagor
13:02:14LinusNhas a certain ring to it
13:02:16Bagdersounds scary
13:03:23LinusNi had a good answer to the Hungry notation mail yesterday, but i deleted it
13:03:34LinusNdidn't want to start a religious war
13:03:48LinusNbut now it's started
13:04:12Zagornah, nobody dares to promote the use of it
13:04:32Zagorall fear the Spank-O-Mat
13:04:40LinusNgood reply there bagder, about "newbies and general losers" :-)
13:04:53BagderI give them a test of my humbleness ;-)
13:06:43Hadakait's torx 10
13:06:46Hadakathe screws on archos
13:07:03Hadaka(you could add that as a hint to the webpage on disassembling)
13:07:10Zagora, good point
13:08:17Hadakahad to take the archos with me to a store to check it
13:08:42Hadakatorx 15 is the normal on old macintoshes and generally all computer hardware which uses torxes (like Itanium boxes)
13:09:02Hadakaso they just _had_ to take the one smaller size :(
13:09:54Zagorinfo added
13:10:48Hadakalooking good
13:13:49Zagorgotta love this:
13:14:45Zagorwhen the BOFH runs the customer service department :-)
13:15:58ZagorLinusN: yikes, linus... and you called Bagder's response harsh!
13:19:09LinusNi am quite sick of all these conventions and guidelines
13:19:16Hadakaso, later today, I'm taking my archos apart
13:19:38Hadakahopefully then I can fix it and start running rockbox again
13:19:39ZagorHadaka: any specific plans, or just out of curiosity?
13:19:50Zagoroh, didn't know it was broken
13:19:57Hadakait's been broken for ages now
13:20:09Hadakamailed archos but they didn't reply - so I said "fuck it" finally
13:20:24Hadakathe latest rockbox that was on it was from 2002-07-09 :)
13:20:54LinusNprehistoric stuff
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14:52:54Zagoroh, crap. i need to implement copy-back caching in the file write...
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15:17:17dwihnoZagor: you rule the ROCKBOX! :D
15:17:40Zagoreh, uh.. what brought this on?
15:18:32dwihnoJust my 2 öre - to show how much I enjoy all your effort! :)
15:18:39Zagorheh. thanks!
15:19:11dwihnoI remember in may when I joined this channel and asked some hardware questions to decide whether or not to purchase the unit
15:19:34dwihnoAnd the first day I got it, I tested the first recorder builds (and got ATA: -2 errors) :)
15:19:51dwihnoLike the sand through the hour-glass, so are the days of our lives!
15:20:06Schnueffpathetic :)
15:20:10Zagorhave you been drinking? ;)
15:20:51dwihnoZagor: Some delicious hot choco :)
15:20:58dwihnoand I also ate a couple of buns (and kex)
15:21:17Schnueffbut no drugs in your food? :)
15:22:36dwihnosugar? :)
15:23:26dwihnoAnd some rocks, from rockbox :)
15:24:52Schnueffhot choco on the rocks?! :)
15:26:50dwihnoI wonder who is using drugs ;)
15:29:06dwihnoZagor: You are sneaky sneaky(tm)! :)
15:29:15dwihno"My company is planning to make a new innovative
15:29:16dwihno+digital camera/PDA/whatever"
15:29:38Zagorsometimes you have to bend the truth a little to workaround buggy companies
15:30:15dwihnoSNEAKY SNEAKY!
15:30:29dwihnoDid you see "Mr Deeds"? (with Adam Sandler)
15:31:43Zagornope. i'm not a big fan of mr Sandler
15:32:14dwihnoWell, there's a pretty good actor playing an español señor, who is sneaky sneaky
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16:07:45LinusNZagor: why creat(), and not only open()?
16:07:50Zagoradi|home: i can smell a new faq coming up.
16:07:58ZagorLinusN: no reason really, just completeness
16:08:21Zagoradi|home: q: "can we have a 7-band equalizer please" a: no
16:08:57dwihnoI want to have a playlist editor!
16:09:04Zagordwihno: so write one
16:09:29Zagorrumors say bagder is looking at some basic playlist generation
16:10:17LinusNi heard that too, but i spoke to another guy on IRC that said he would do it
16:10:23LinusNcan't remember who...
16:11:03LinusNdwihno: i recorded my first file yesterday
16:11:14dwihnoLinusN: was it cool?
16:11:30LinusNit was immensely cooooooool
16:11:34dwihnoLinusN: I recorder my first file in july, but welcome to the club ;D
16:11:52LinusNdwihno: not woth Rockbox
16:12:13dwihnoLinusN: What Rockbox? ;) Heh. Cool progress.
16:15:52LinusNZagor: pretty similar responses from both of us :-)
16:16:31LinusNon the mailing list
16:19:08dwihnoHow stable is file writing right now, btw?
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16:20:00Zagordwihno: pretty darn stable
16:20:13Zagorit's just missing some features
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16:20:45dwihnoSo then we'll have Rockbox commander - a two window file management utility ;)
16:21:02Zagoryou bet. as soon as you send the patch! ;)
16:21:50dwihnoZagor: I can't! The file is too big! :)
16:22:05dwihno(for the mailing list, that is) :) :) :)
16:23:28Zagoryup. we introduced the patch tracker thinking especially about you
16:24:46LinusNcalled the /dev/null tracker
16:25:00Zagor/dev/random tracker :-)
16:25:30dwihnoThat's linux humour ;)
16:26:34Zagorthe best kind
16:27:47dwihnothe nerdy kind :)
16:29:22Zagoractually, that URL is to be commended for it's readability. clearly not designed by Spray.
16:29:31Zagor(not the page, the url)
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17:02:32dwihnoTrevlig helg
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17:33:38LinusNZagor_: how do you like greg's buffer code?
17:33:51Zagor_not at all. it's DEAD slow. i bet max 400 KB/s
17:34:26Zagor_he double-buffers *everything*. that's why the code gets simpler.
17:35:25Zagor_every sector is first copied from disk to buffer, then from buffer to target memory.
17:35:45Zagor_that's why he doesn't have to care about head and tail bytes.
17:36:20Zagor_yup. i'm sending a response now.
17:36:56LinusNstill, simple is good in most cases
17:37:06Zagor_yeah. but not in this case.
17:37:16LinusNi agree
17:37:31Zagor_the code also has a lot of other silly things, but I'm not going to discuss them
17:37:51Zagor_like seeking from the start of the file for each sector read...
17:38:22Zagor_that's a but easier to fix than the double-buffering though
17:38:25Zagor_a bit
17:40:58Zagor_time to go home
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20:41:22slakwherehey kids
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20:42:06*LinusN is flattered, someone called him "kid"
20:42:09slakwhereso the firmware looks like its damn amazing, and i wanna try it :)
20:42:24LinusNthen try it
20:42:27slakwherei got the installer off the website, ran it... it created a mod file an a .archos directory
20:42:37slakwherei boot my player, and i get the same screens as before
20:42:49slakwhereis there something im missing?
20:42:58LinusNyou use Windows, right?
20:44:20LinusNok, did you "safely remove"?
20:44:37LinusNwin2k? or XP?
20:44:54LinusNwin2k has issues with that
20:45:43LinusNtry running a tool called "directory snoop" that can cure this
20:46:41LinusNi don't know where to find it. use google.
20:46:51slakwhere ?
20:47:15LinusNi dunno, i have never used it
20:47:33slakwherealright. guess i'll give that a whirl tonite
20:47:57LinusNit looks like that is the program people use
20:48:29slakwherewhat exactly should i be doing with it?
20:48:32LinusNsilly windows
20:48:51LinusNit locates hidden files and allows you to remove them
20:49:07LinusNtry looking in the message board at
20:49:15slakwhereso i should remove all the .mod's and .archos dir's and then do the install again?
20:49:16LinusNthey talk a lot about it
20:49:17slakwhereoh ok
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20:58:11*slakwhere can't find any mention of directory snoop on richard's site
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20:59:37neur0LinusN: remember my prob from yesterday?
20:59:49LinusNno :-)
21:00:19neur0no harddisk under w2k while rockbox was running fine...
21:00:45LinusNany news?
21:01:15neur0well I couldnt find out what exactly it was, but I could resolve it...
21:01:34neur0by deleting the partition and creating a new one...
21:01:49neur0seems that the partition was messed up
21:02:42neur0tried to install rockbox again and reconnected to computer afterwards, everything is fine...
21:03:07neur0I will have to be more careful with setting up and breaking the usb connection i guess
21:03:25LinusNyup, and don't use w2k or xp
21:03:37LinusNthose os'es are evil
21:03:42neur0just to let u know...and thnx again, to all of the developers...
21:04:01neur0yeah I know, but...(yeah I know:)
21:04:01LinusNif you do, run Directory Snoop to purge the dir entries
21:05:20neur0why if i may ask
21:06:02LinusNwhy dir snoop?
21:06:11neur0btw, i tried to install debian today but messed up the installation, it booted to runlevel 3 and then i got no login:((
21:06:23neur0but i will try again
21:06:33LinusNwin2k and XP don't delete the files entirely
21:06:53LinusNso if you copy a file over another, the old is still there
21:06:55neur0you mean they delete to recycle bin?
21:07:11LinusNyup, in some wierd way
21:07:24neur0ok thanks for the advice
21:07:29LinusNdir snoop can purge the dir entries so the old file disappears
21:07:40slakwherelinus: so i need to use dir snoop to REALLY delete the files, then move the rockbox stuff over?
21:08:00LinusNi think you can run it after the installation too
21:08:24slakwhereso install the new stuff, then use dir snoop to purge the old?
21:08:32LinusNi believe so
21:08:45slakwherethanks a ton, both for development and the help just now ;)
21:09:02LinusNyou're welcome
21:09:13LinusNrecording is coming up any day now
21:09:20*slakwhere doesn't have a recorder
21:09:32slakwherebut that auto-playlist builder would rule ;)
21:09:33LinusNi recorder my first file yesterday
21:10:09slakwherei can't wait to see the new code
21:10:12neur0LinusN: I just tried to delete a dir on the Jukebox, if you really delete it (shift+del), the free space on the jukebox grows accordingly...
21:10:14slakwherein action that is
21:10:50slakwhereneur0: if you reed the directory snoop homepage, that's the OS lying to you. the file might still be there
21:10:57slakwherebut the OS ignores it because its been "deleted"
21:11:17LinusNi think w2k and XP can mark certain drives as removeable and get rid of the trashcan
21:12:20LinusNi don't know how, though...
21:12:49slakwhere*twitch* must. run. new. firmware.
21:12:55neur0LinusN: tried to find that setting for the jukebox, didn't find it...either the jukebox drivers already did it (there's no trashcan on my jukebox) or the setting moved to another place
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21:13:27neur0The setting is supposed to be in Device Manager
21:13:53neur0Well you are not running windows anyways..:)
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21:15:49LinusNhi edx
21:16:22neur0btw I would like to request a feature, but you probably thought about it..
21:16:32neur0shutdown timer
21:17:00neur0so I can listen to that big playlist on shuffle and still conserve batteries
21:17:42*slakwhere wonders how much energy turning the display off entirely would save
21:17:50LinusNthat is in the feature request database
21:18:15neur0ok...browsed there but didn't find it, excuse me...
21:18:34LinusNslakwhere: not much at all, i guess
21:18:47slakwhereLinusN: forget i said anything then ;)
21:18:58LinusNit's called "sleep timer" in the database
21:19:21LinusNi think
21:19:53neur0I will take another look and be patient for the implementation:)
21:20:26neur0ok thnx again to all of u developers, i am happy with the product:) cu, i'm off
21:20:30LinusNneur0: or code it yourself ;-)
21:20:56neur0maybe if it takes long enough
21:21:17neur0I have only little experience in coding...
21:21:29neur0...but I will take a look at the source
21:21:50LinusNdo so. a sleep timer would be quite simple
21:22:00LinusNwe are thinking of two alternatives
21:22:11neur0i would think so too....if there is a clock
21:22:14LinusNshut down after X songs
21:22:20LinusNshut down after X minutes
21:22:52neur0i was thinking of shutdown after 10*x minutes, would be enough
21:23:01neur0form 10 to 90 minutes
21:23:05LinusNi guess
21:23:56slakwhereok, i gotta go get some real work done
21:23:58neur0ok cu:)
21:24:00slakwherethanks again for everything :)
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22:05:02carrotanyone awake?
22:05:14LinusNi'm here
22:05:48carrotim intrested in getting an archos
22:05:54carrot(the cheapest one)
22:06:06LinusNbuy a recorder
22:06:06carrotcan i be able to *hack* it as well
22:06:16carrotwhat version u recommend
22:06:28LinusNrecorder 20
22:06:35LinusNhas usb2.0
22:06:51LinusNi have one
22:06:55LinusNand a Player
22:07:02LinusNthe recorder is superior
22:10:54carrotmy budget is 200 or less
22:11:41LinusNthere are a lot of price discussions at
22:12:30carrotim just wondering if i would be able to upgrade the hard drive as well
22:12:46LinusNand in the archosjukebox6000 forum at yahoo
22:12:51LinusNyes you will
22:12:58LinusNin all models
22:13:16LinusNthe sound quality is better on the recorder
22:18:46carrotsorry but im at work co i leave unexpectedly
22:19:13carrotthe recorder are the new ones right?
22:19:29LinusNquite new
22:19:46LinusNbut the newest is the Multimidia
22:19:52carrotthats why im looking towards the older one's (cheaper) lol
22:20:04carrotyea i know about those usb 2
22:22:07LinusNpeople say that you can get a recorder for $180 at
22:23:02carrotthats after rebates
22:31:37carrotim leaving now thank you
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23:51:13Hadakamy archos is coming apart at this very moment
23:51:41LinusNgot a torx 10 now?
23:51:56Hadakayah, got it this morning, just wasn't able to do the job
23:52:03Hadakajust took the bumpers off
23:52:23LinusNwhat was wrong with the old HD?
23:52:31Hadakanot hd
23:52:37Hadakasomething is loose inside this
23:52:40Hadakaand it's rattling
23:52:45Hadakaand the power goes out all the time
23:52:51LinusNah, now i remember
23:56:07Hadakahmm, how do I get the harddrive off?
23:57:19LinusNlift it up in the back end and pull it out
23:57:35Hadakano screws to unscrew before that?
23:58:17LinusNonly the torx
23:58:19Hadakait's off
23:58:39LinusNthe small ones too?
23:58:49Hadakathe rattling comes from inside the hd :(

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