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06:03:03 | bryanhg | quick question |
06:03:12 | bryanhg | any plans on a rockbox for the multimedia |
06:04:07 | bryanhg | dead channel? |
06:04:11 | PsycoXul | heh |
06:04:42 | bryanhg | ? |
06:05:15 | PsycoXul | it's entirely different hardware |
06:05:31 | PsycoXul | so it would be an entirely different project |
06:05:32 | bryanhg | i know −− it would require a complete reverse engineer |
06:06:00 | bryanhg | i understand that −− wondering if same people would be involved in it |
06:06:09 | bryanhg | multimedia has shit loads of potential |
06:06:18 | bryanhg | archos' firmware is laughable |
06:06:23 | PsycoXul | afaik, the rockbox developers have no plans at this time to work on the multimedia |
06:06:39 | bryanhg | thats all i was asking :-) |
06:06:50 | PsycoXul | i think the last i heard on the subject was that they'd consider it if somebody were to send them about a dozen units |
06:06:53 | PsycoXul | heh |
06:07:03 | bryanhg | it would also probably kill some units as it gets loaded into ROM instead of read on boot |
06:07:17 | PsycoXul | yes that makes it more of a challenge |
06:07:19 | bryanhg | archos should just give them some cash |
06:07:33 | bryanhg | would help everyone |
06:07:41 | PsycoXul | certain aspects would need to be hammered out perfectly before anything could even be tested |
06:08:05 | PsycoXul | yeah |
06:08:31 | PsycoXul | this stuff should go on the FAQ somewhere |
06:08:47 | bryanhg | i agree :-) |
06:09:04 | bryanhg | maybe they would get some donations :-) |
06:09:18 | PsycoXul | hehe |
06:09:44 | bryanhg | though it is possible to send firmware physically to ROM (after opening casing etc) |
06:10:00 | bryanhg | so 1 bad update wouldn't can the unit |
06:10:10 | PsycoXul | yeah |
06:10:43 | bryanhg | imagine them coding full screen divx :-) |
06:10:54 | bryanhg | showing it can be done... |
06:11:07 | bryanhg | archos is claiming that they cant until the Multimedia 240 |
06:11:32 | PsycoXul | heh |
06:12:21 | bryanhg | i could picture a group like this making a kickass firmware −− skinable etc |
06:12:45 | PsycoXul | yeah |
06:13:23 | PsycoXul | i'm sure these guys would do something with it if they ended up with some of them |
06:13:34 | PsycoXul | and either way, somebody eventualy will |
06:13:57 | bryanhg | yeah −− rockbox has come a long way |
06:14:10 | bryanhg | has archos ever contacted the project? |
06:14:47 | PsycoXul | i personally don't know anything of what, if any, corespondence archos and the rockbox people have had |
06:15:12 | bryanhg | it would be amazing to see this firmware on the official site one day |
06:15:37 | PsycoXul | yes, amazing seems like the right word |
06:15:37 | PsycoXul | heh |
06:16:36 | PsycoXul | it's hard to believe it's getting close to a year that this project's been going |
06:17:08 | PsycoXul | and it's funny how long ago it surpassed archos' firmware |
06:17:11 | PsycoXul | especialy on the players |
06:17:31 | bryanhg | i have a player (6000) |
06:17:43 | bryanhg | i am in process of ordering multimedia |
06:18:11 | PsycoXul | and recorders too have a lot more nice stuff than archos', it's just that actual recording is just finaly getting rolling |
06:18:34 | bryanhg | is the recording of same quality at this point? |
06:18:50 | bryanhg | i know it doesnt work perfectly |
06:18:58 | bryanhg | but the recordings that have been made |
06:19:10 | PsycoXul | well the quality settings are part of the MAS chip |
06:19:39 | bryanhg | so the firware basically just accesses the chip |
06:19:53 | PsycoXul | i've got a studio20, so i don't really know much about recording |
06:20:56 | PsycoXul | but yeah the firmware just tells the chip what to do, takes it's data and writes it |
06:22:00 | bryanhg | where is the simulator? |
06:22:22 | PsycoXul | um? |
06:22:26 | PsycoXul | same place as the firmware? heh |
06:23:19 | PsycoXul | hey i'm gonna go practice on my violin before it gets too late to make noise |
06:23:25 | bryanhg | k |
06:23:31 | PsycoXul | the more involved people in the project are usualy on later |
06:23:45 | bryanhg | u sure it is in there? |
06:24:52 | PsycoXul | what i would recomend if you don't want to compile your own is to go to the daily builds page and get the simulator from under the "Bleeding edge builds" at the bottom of the page |
06:25:42 | PsycoXul | or get it from cvs if you do want to build it yourself |
06:26:53 | PsycoXul | i think it's under the simulator module or something |
06:27:07 | PsycoXul | there's cvs instructions somewhere on the site, i'm not sure where though heh |
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07:17:40 | * | adi|home yawns |
07:17:46 | adi|home | im adding the multimedia question right now |
07:17:52 | adi|home | im _really_ tired of getting it |
07:19:38 | PsycoXul | btw, the FAQ's getting a little long to scroll through to find questions |
07:20:08 | PsycoXul | it might be a good idea to have a list of them at the top, with links in the html version |
07:20:14 | PsycoXul | if thats possible |
07:28:43 | adi|home | nods |
07:28:50 | adi|home | we/ive been working/thinking on it |
07:28:59 | adi|home | prob going to break it up a bit.. just not sure how yet |
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08:24:53 | Zagor | morning |
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08:56:45 | henrysunset | 'ello |
08:56:53 | henrysunset | how goes the rckin box scene? |
08:57:11 | Zagor | very good. we are adding recording just now |
08:58:25 | henrysunset | yay |
08:58:48 | henrysunset | i've heard the joining of rec code an yer fat writing has been harmosious this far |
08:58:57 | henrysunset | *harmonius |
08:59:02 | henrysunset | = good :-) |
08:59:16 | Zagor | yeah, the write code has progressed well |
08:59:35 | henrysunset | i see my UI thread has died but it can be worried about aftert his fun new feature gets rolled out |
08:59:55 | henrysunset | which is more than arguably more important; i'm quite stoked to see it actually |
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09:00:14 | henrysunset | it could be hella useful coupled w/ a external mic especially |
09:01:22 | henrysunset | so you have it set to save to a set filename or did u follow the suggestion to do it by datestamp yet? |
09:03:11 | Zagor | yeah |
09:03:43 | henrysunset | nice |
09:03:59 | henrysunset | is there a quasi stable build or should i wait a bit longer |
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09:07:19 | Zagor | you should probably wait. the current build is for testing only. |
09:09:02 | henrysunset | ok |
09:09:03 | henrysunset | thx |
09:09:06 | henrysunset | and goodnite |
09:09:08 | henrysunset | or moring |
09:09:12 | henrysunset | or whatever :-) |
09:09:14 | Zagor | :-) morning here |
09:15:19 | Zagor | "We really are absolutely sincere about supporting the Neuros as an open platform and would be willing to support you in such a project." −− Neuros Head of Development |
09:15:31 | Zagor | sounds interesting |
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10:23:58 | LinusN | yo |
10:24:10 | Zagor | hi |
10:24:28 | LinusN | wierd fat errors... |
10:24:47 | Zagor | yes |
10:25:11 | LinusN | how are your tests done in the test.sh? |
10:25:18 | Zagor | how? |
10:25:29 | LinusN | does it write long files with different block sizes? |
10:25:37 | Zagor | yes |
10:26:04 | LinusN | i mean write(5142673)......write(517).....write(1654263).... |
10:26:06 | Zagor | all tests are ran with 1,4,8,32 and 128 sectors cluster size |
10:26:24 | Zagor | ah, no. 80K blocks, plus some random bytes at the end |
10:27:07 | Zagor | you write random sizes? |
10:28:17 | LinusN | of course, it all depends on how large the buffer is, how long the drive takes to spin up, where it wraps etc |
10:28:54 | Zagor | yeah, but you basically write one or two big chunks? not dozens of small? |
10:29:19 | LinusN | it may very well be one small and one big, and vice versa |
10:29:29 | Zagor | yes. that's ok. |
10:29:35 | LinusN | it may even be 0 bytes, i guess |
10:29:49 | LinusN | but i doubt it |
10:30:30 | LinusN | how are the file contents verified in your tests? |
10:30:57 | Zagor | I write unique 8-byte strings. then I read them back. |
10:31:02 | LinusN | ok |
10:32:40 | Zagor | the pSOS way: we fill it with 0x00, then take a checksum... |
10:37:11 | LinusN | haha |
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11:24:38 | Zagor | any player users here? |
11:27:31 | PsycoXul | yeah |
11:28:13 | Zagor | what do you think about the feature request wanting volume as default (no-combo) action in wps? |
11:29:38 | PsycoXul | hmm |
11:29:44 | PsycoXul | seems kinda weird |
11:29:57 | Zagor | really? |
11:32:48 | PsycoXul | yeah well since it's all the same keypad where the play/pause and stop buttons are it just seems natural that the left and right ones would skip/seek |
11:33:01 | PsycoXul | skipping/seeking seems to me to be something done more often than volume changes too |
11:34:05 | Zagor | really? i change volume a lot more than skip. but ok, it's not an obvious issue then. |
11:34:44 | PsycoXul | *shrug* matter of personal preference |
11:34:54 | PsycoXul | i'll tell ya what feature request i like is configurable key bindings :p |
11:35:14 | Zagor | yeah. nag the longhair ;) |
11:40:23 | PsycoXul | blah apparently winxp's pointer shadow is done in software, cause the hardware one on my nvidia card has ugly sharper edges heh |
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11:45:12 | Zagor | lovely way to spend your cpu cycles... |
11:48:26 | PsycoXul | heh |
11:48:48 | PsycoXul | on ebay there's this pair of headphones that also have an FM tuner |
11:49:09 | PsycoXul | and so for Frequency Range in the description it says "FM: 87.5-108MHz" |
11:58:56 | Zagor | haha |
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12:00:43 | Hadaka | I personally enjoy having volume up and down available without any special combos, even regardless of keylocks or whatever |
12:02:31 | PsycoXul | i'd like to be able to adjust the volume regardless of keylock, but still with a combo... generaly it seems pointless for combo's to be locked by the keylock since they're only as easy to accidently press as the keylock combo anyways |
12:03:26 | LinusN | i think comboless volume would be harmless on the Player |
12:03:40 | LinusN | the keys are pretty hard to puch by mistake anyway |
12:04:07 | PsycoXul | i dunno |
12:04:17 | PsycoXul | my player always acts funky in my pocket if i forget to turn the keylock on |
12:04:17 | LinusN | at least on my unit |
12:04:59 | PsycoXul | neal down and it skips or stops etc |
12:06:13 | LinusN | i guess it depends on how tight your pocket is... |
12:06:40 | LinusN | it looks like we have to have it configurable then |
12:13:45 | Zagor | LinusN: I can't get out from the recording screen |
12:18:17 | LinusN | with OFF? |
12:18:25 | Zagor | right |
12:18:35 | LinusN | can you adjust the gain? |
12:18:39 | Zagor | yes |
12:18:48 | LinusN | hmmm |
12:19:00 | LinusN | did you do anything unusual? |
12:19:04 | Zagor | nope |
12:19:13 | LinusN | is is stopped? |
12:19:18 | Zagor | yes |
12:19:47 | LinusN | hmmm, something has made mpeg_status() return something other that 0 |
12:20:10 | LinusN | was the music playing when you entered the recording screen? |
12:20:35 | Zagor | yes. that's probably it. |
12:24:26 | LinusN | gotta go, cu later. maybe this evening |
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12:56:40 | dwihno | When connected via USB, does the disk ever spin down? |
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13:11:49 | Zagor | dwihno: no |
13:13:49 | dwihno | :-( |
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13:46:30 | Bagder | hey ho |
13:47:04 | Zagor | hi |
13:47:25 | Bagder | nice disk size work |
13:47:32 | Zagor | thanks |
13:47:51 | Zagor | i figured I should do at least one thing that people can look at :-) |
13:48:02 | Bagder | :-) |
13:52:04 | Zagor | "No crappy screen update interference noise on line-in recordings at last YEEEYYY." |
13:58:43 | dwihno | (?) |
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14:06:21 | Zagor | a post from the yahoo forum. apparently our recordings have less noise than Archos' |
14:20:34 | Hadaka | I wonder what could be doing that |
14:20:51 | dwihno | They are probably doing something ugly! :) |
14:21:15 | Zagor | it's probably the same RTC noise they have during playback |
14:22:11 | Hadaka | and rockbox doesn't have that? |
14:22:31 | dwihno | Zagor: agreed. |
14:22:32 | Zagor | no. we read it much less frequently. |
14:22:56 | Hadaka | ookay, well that's nice |
14:24:02 | dwihno | Zagor: did you try to provoke some noise by doing massive RTC reading? |
14:24:09 | Zagor | no |
14:24:18 | dwihno | It would be a cool thing to test :) |
14:24:26 | Zagor | indeed |
14:25:50 | dwihno | With disk reading + writing working, how far away is the "on-the-fly" playlist generation? |
14:26:10 | Zagor | not far at all. we just need to write a GUY |
14:26:11 | Zagor | GUI |
14:27:32 | dwihno | Here's one screen: |
14:27:32 | dwihno | Select dirs to add: |
14:27:32 | dwihno | o Bad music |
14:27:32 | dwihno | o Country |
14:27:34 | dwihno | * E-type |
14:27:37 | dwihno | * Good music |
14:27:39 | dwihno | * = marked |
14:28:04 | dwihno | "press 'play' to booyaw!" |
14:29:09 | dwihno | then there should be some kind of dir editor to remove dirs that was selected |
14:29:14 | dwihno | and thus, a "save playlist" |
14:29:18 | dwihno | menu option |
14:29:35 | dwihno | and like in archos firmware - press play for 2 sec and it builds a playlist based on the dir reading |
14:29:36 | Hadaka | hrm |
14:29:40 | Zagor | i mean write as in "program", not as in "describe" :-) |
14:30:04 | dwihno | Zagor: I'm show you the damn pseudo-code!!! :) Stop naging :) |
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15:09:14 | elinenbe_ | I was just looking at the TODO. The F1 quick menus is a GREAT idea! |
15:17:54 | Zagor | yeah, we just need to do it a little different from F2 and F3. more like with ON (displays on BUTTON_REPEAT) |
15:18:18 | elinenbe_ | I likie the idea |
15:18:45 | elinenbe_ | I think the archos should support LAM, so I can add it to my beowulf cluster. |
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15:18:56 | elinenbe_ | well TCP/IP too then :) |
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15:19:11 | Zagor | :-) |
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16:50:33 | dw|gone | What is uhci and ohci? |
16:50:48 | Zagor | different usb controller types |
16:50:55 | Hadaka | yes |
16:51:09 | dw|gone | mkay |
16:51:17 | dw|gone | is it possible to do USB in DOS? |
16:51:25 | Zagor | yes |
16:51:43 | Zagor | some nutcase has written an usb-storage implementation for dos |
16:52:12 | dw|gone | :-) |
16:52:17 | dw|gone | Yay for the nutcases! :) |
16:53:55 | Zagor | http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/MSDOS/Q_20353143.html |
16:55:28 | Zagor | http://www.boomspeed.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/index.shtml |
16:56:00 | Zagor | http://www.pocketech.net/downloads/duse_4_2.zip seems to be the best |
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20:19:46 | Zagor | heyyy baggie |
20:19:58 | Bagder | evening |
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20:32:43 | Bagder | what units does fat_size() return? |
20:33:03 | Bagder | single bytes? |
20:35:27 | Bagder | hm |
20:35:32 | Bagder | why is the build red? |
20:35:42 | Bagder | ah, win32 |
20:35:45 | Bagder | me blind |
20:37:20 | elinenbe | BYE! |
20:37:25 | elinenbe | I love ROCKBOX! |
20:37:33 | Bagder | bye ;-) |
20:37:37 | elinenbe | I still thin k TCP/IP should be incorporated :) |
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20:37:58 | Zagor | Bagder: KB |
20:38:13 | Bagder | I added a silly fat_size() for win32 |
20:38:43 | Zagor | ok. i probably should have added a fake one, i just didn't think of it |
20:38:53 | Zagor | right. like that :-) |
20:38:57 | Bagder | :-) |
20:42:09 | Zagor | i don't like that fat panic recording produces |
20:42:22 | Bagder | no, that looks nasty |
20:42:44 | Zagor | i need to do more target testing |
20:42:58 | Zagor | lucky I added those panic checks :-) |
20:43:31 | Bagder | yeah, A Good Move (tm) |
20:44:04 | Zagor | i'll add one in ata.c too |
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20:50:55 | Mine78 | hi guys |
20:51:02 | Zagor | Mine78: hi |
20:51:07 | Mine78 | I would like to report a problem playing MP3PRO files |
20:51:09 | Mine78 | can I ? |
20:51:19 | Zagor | mp3pro is not supported |
20:51:21 | Mine78 | The problem is: lengh of the song is badly wrong |
20:51:22 | Bagder | mp3pro is not supported |
20:51:25 | Mine78 | it works |
20:51:33 | Bagder | yes it works, but without the pro part |
20:51:38 | Mine78 | xact |
20:51:51 | Mine78 | but isn't there a way to show the correct lenght ? |
20:52:28 | Zagor | i don't know |
20:52:57 | Mine78 | it says always fron 25 to 40 mins |
20:53:03 | Mine78 | depends on real lenght |
20:54:02 | Zagor | if you can dig up info about the file format, someone might fix it. but mp3pro is not a high priority, since we can't play them properly anyway. |
20:59:33 | Mine78 | I will look for them ! |
20:59:45 | Zagor | ok, good |
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21:12:05 | Mine78 | damn mp3pro algo is propertary ! is not public !!! |
21:12:16 | Mine78 | But i will find !!! |
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21:18:18 | Atifear | hi |
21:19:39 | Atifear | anybody can tell me why when i try to compile firmware, Ive an error when I do make in my built-dir: Ive a lot of erros abou a temp file and about an adc.o file, why? |
21:21:37 | Atifear | i m using cygwin... |
21:23:46 | Atifear | okay thx |
21:23:48 | Atifear | bye |
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21:59:38 | Zagor | hi linus |
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22:04:34 | LinusN | hi |
22:05:30 | LinusN | any ideas about the trashed disk when recording? |
22:05:39 | Zagor | not yet. i |
22:05:52 | Zagor | 'll port the test cases to target and try them there |
22:10:51 | LinusN | it's a nightmare do debug rockbox nowadays |
22:11:04 | Zagor | for you, yes |
22:11:09 | LinusN | all these fat/ata/disk messages are killing me |
22:11:26 | Zagor | kill LDEBUGF. that's what it's for |
22:11:55 | LinusN | LDEBUGF, what dies the L stand for? Loud? |
22:12:00 | LinusN | Lame? |
22:12:02 | Zagor | line |
22:12:12 | Zagor | it prefixes file and line |
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