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| 00:09:47 | Bagder | hi |
| 00:10:13 | LinusN | yo |
| 00:10:16 | LinusN | up late? |
| 00:10:20 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:10:28 | Bagder | webmailing |
| 00:10:42 | Bagder | getting the hotmail address book |
| 00:10:51 | LinusN | hehe |
| 00:12:31 | Bagder | I write the script in perl and sends it off |
| 00:12:44 | Bagder | he converts it to PHP, it fails and he mails be back and asks why... |
| 00:13:05 | Hadaka | muhaha |
| 00:13:24 | Hadaka | "converts" I assume ;) |
| 00:13:31 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:13:38 | Bagder | it's not very nicely done |
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| 00:32:34 | LinusN | damn, i can't commit my recording fixes, sourceforge seems down |
| 00:33:28 | Bagder | yeah, the cvs is screwed up |
| 00:33:37 | Bagder | been like that for hours now |
| 00:33:44 | LinusN | must be the improvements they made yesterday :-) |
| 00:33:55 | Hadaka | wonder when they are going to get svn there ;) |
| 00:34:13 | Bagder | yes, that'll be interesting |
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| 08:39:58 | Bagder | hey |
| 08:41:47 | Zagor- | hi |
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| 08:52:05 | Bagder | time to go offline |
| 08:52:07 | Bagder | see ya |
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| 08:56:33 | | Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
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| 08:58:21 | dwihno | I greet thee! |
| 08:58:46 | Zagor | howdy |
| 08:59:08 | dwihno | all is well? |
| 08:59:14 | Zagor | yup |
| 08:59:17 | dwihno | :D |
| 08:59:31 | dwihno | I managed to get all my laptop hardware working with freebsd last night |
| 08:59:50 | dwihno | Including the archos and my other mass storage box |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:52 | Zagor | nice |
| 09:00:57 | dwihno | Somehow I managed to overwrite the MBR though :) |
| 09:01:08 | dwihno | (keeping both win2k and fbsd on the same disk) |
| 09:01:27 | dwihno | I'm gonna fix that later tonight though, and get some kind of dual boot setup up & running |
| 09:02:47 | dwihno | Also Opera has been released for fbsd |
| 09:02:51 | dwihno | A lot of cool stuff :) |
| 09:03:32 | Zagor | how come you choose fbsd instead of linux? i thought you said linux had too few applications! |
| 09:06:38 | dwihno | Yes :) |
| 09:06:51 | dwihno | There are a couple of applications I just can't live without |
| 09:07:03 | dwihno | Mainly the adobe family of software |
| 09:08:08 | Zagor | ...and? why then freebsd, who isn't exactly first on adobes port list. |
| 09:08:18 | dwihno | not really |
| 09:08:25 | dwihno | but I feel more comfortable with freebsd |
| 09:10:18 | dwihno | I've been using some bridging features and firewalling some time ago and I thought freebsd did a marvellous job too :) |
| 09:10:25 | dwihno | I never tested iptables though |
| 09:12:31 | Zagor | ok. whatever makes you happy :-) |
| 09:12:35 | dwihno | :-) |
| 09:12:48 | dwihno | A nice slogan |
| 09:12:52 | dwihno | "Whatever makes you happy" |
| 09:12:58 | dwihno | Sounds like a song by Phil Collins |
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| 10:47:11 | LinusN | i wanted to commit my irq changes yesterday, but sourceforge was crazy |
| 10:48:04 | Schnueff | hm they announced something some weeks ago |
| 10:48:08 | Zagor | yeah, I had the same problem sunday night |
| 10:48:18 | Schnueff | that they would be down for maintenance on some of these days |
| 10:48:34 | LinusN | sunday was maintenance day |
| 10:48:39 | Schnueff | ah ok |
| 10:48:51 | LinusN | yesterday was not planned |
| 10:50:56 | LinusN | IRQ fix committed |
| 10:51:18 | LinusN | the timeout panic should be gone |
| 10:51:32 | LinusN | (it is gone, since the error handling is removed :-) |
| 10:51:32 | Zagor | goodie |
| 10:51:36 | Zagor | haha |
| 10:51:50 | LinusN | the entire recording driver is rewritten |
| 10:51:57 | LinusN | better performance |
| 10:52:04 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:52:18 | LinusN | Zagor: the truncate seems wrong |
| 10:52:29 | LinusN | it seems to truncate too much |
| 10:52:59 | LinusN | whenever i record a file that is shorter than the existing RECORD.MP3, it gets very short, much shorter than was recorded |
| 10:53:24 | Zagor | really? ok, i'll do some tests. |
| 10:54:09 | LinusN | gr8 |
| 10:54:16 | LinusN | use the new mpeg.c |
| 10:54:44 | LinusN | i'll dig into the frame counter now |
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| 11:09:16 | LinusN | Zagor: i just tried to build a player simulator |
| 11:09:35 | LinusN | it couldn't find LANG_STAT |
| 11:09:35 | Zagor | brave man :-) |
| 11:09:40 | Zagor | !? |
| 11:10:05 | LinusN | ../../apps/main_menu.c: In function `show_info': |
| 11:10:05 | LinusN | ../../apps/main_menu.c:211: `LANG_DISK_STAT' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 11:10:58 | Zagor | it works on the site, and for me... |
| 11:11:13 | LinusN | do configure in a fresh dir |
| 11:12:54 | Zagor | just did. works. |
| 11:16:37 | LinusN | weird |
| 11:28:02 | LinusN | found t |
| 11:28:03 | LinusN | it |
| 11:28:15 | LinusN | there was a stray x11/lang.h |
| 11:28:43 | Zagor | ah |
| 11:29:47 | LinusN | have you tried the new mpeg.c? |
| 11:30:05 | Zagor | no. i'm starting with pure fat tests |
| 11:30:23 | LinusN | gr8 |
| 11:31:25 | LinusN | i was thinking...we only check the battery status when writing the settings, right? |
| 11:33:22 | Zagor | well, do we really? |
| 11:35:04 | LinusN | if(save_config_buffer()) |
| 11:35:04 | LinusN | { |
| 11:35:04 | LinusN | lcd_clear_display(); |
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| 11:35:04 | LinusN | #ifdef HAVE_LCD_CHARCELLS |
| 11:35:04 | LinusN | lcd_puts(0, 0, str(LANG_SETTINGS_SAVE_PLAYER)); |
| 11:36:22 | Zagor | yeah, but nobody's checking any battery. that text is wrong, it only displays on failed rtc write or partitionless disk. |
| 11:36:34 | LinusN | who removed the battery check? |
| 11:36:44 | Zagor | did we ever have one? |
| 11:36:50 | LinusN | i think so |
| 11:37:07 | LinusN | anyway, we will need one in the future |
| 11:37:19 | Zagor | why? |
| 11:37:32 | LinusN | to warn for low battery when recording |
| 11:37:52 | Zagor | right, but that's for the recording app do handle. not disk writing. |
| 11:38:08 | LinusN | we could have a general disk write protection |
| 11:38:21 | Zagor | i don't see the point of that, honestly |
| 11:38:43 | LinusN | ok then |
| 11:38:47 | Zagor | if you have enough battery to spin up the disk, you mostly likely have enough to do the write too. |
| 11:38:54 | Zagor | and if you can't spin the disk, no damage can be done |
| 11:39:39 | kargatron | let the experiment begin! :) |
| 11:39:45 | LinusN | so if i do open-write-close when i save the rec buffer, we will be allright? |
| 11:39:55 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:41:08 | LinusN | so be it |
| 11:41:33 | Zagor | truncating writes work fine in the fat sim |
| 11:41:39 | LinusN | dammit |
| 11:42:01 | LinusN | when i ran it yesterday, it lost a lot of data |
| 11:42:10 | LinusN | maybe a cluster |
| 11:44:44 | Zagor | was that visible in the filename, or how did you notice? |
| 11:44:51 | Zagor | in the file size, i mean |
| 11:45:15 | LinusN | i listened to it |
| 11:45:23 | Zagor | ok |
| 11:46:28 | LinusN | i'll do some more tests |
| 11:46:32 | dwihno | Linus: I read about the IRQ playback performance improvement... How much of an improvement is it? |
| 11:46:41 | Zagor | me too |
| 11:46:56 | LinusN | dwihno: in theory, it is huge |
| 11:47:21 | LinusN | but i have never had any performance problems, so I can't really tell |
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| 11:48:15 | kargatron | hm, must not have been paying attention. is there a link to look at? |
| 11:49:02 | LinusN | a link? |
| 11:51:33 | kargatron | "IRQ playback" - dunno what that is. as i said, not paying attention enough, i guess |
| 11:52:04 | LinusN | we get the DEMAND signal from the MAS via an IRQ instead of polling |
| 11:52:28 | kargatron | ohh, this is that jargon stuff i made a joke about yesterday! :) |
| 11:52:29 | kargatron | hehe |
| 11:52:46 | LinusN | should improve the MP3 playback performance (less skips with a "busy" WPS) |
| 11:53:10 | LinusN | and should remove the timeout panics when recording |
| 11:53:21 | kargatron | would it be neutral wrt to glitches? |
| 11:53:41 | kargatron | my only perf probs are the jolt/silent-playing bit |
| 11:53:59 | LinusN | try it |
| 11:54:46 | kargatron | latest build has it? I haven't updated since 10/30, since no new features have been added that i use... |
| 11:56:57 | Zagor | he just checked it in. grab the latest bleeding edge. |
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| 12:13:00 | kargatron | LinusN, i know you haven't seen the silence problem. what i was suggesting that you use a 'shotgun' warn-out approach, that might reveal discrepancies when the silence occured, which I could probably reproduce. |
| 12:13:33 | kargatron | otoh, if you don't think such warns would be useful, so be it. i don't know the code... |
| 12:14:06 | LinusN | kargatron: like i said, i could warn, but when? |
| 12:14:15 | LinusN | the firmware doesn't know that there is silence |
| 12:14:18 | kargatron | well, during playback |
| 12:14:32 | kargatron | and when i hit a silence, i'd go into the debug section and report. |
| 12:14:48 | Zagor | kargatron: there are hundreds of parameters to choose from. we have no idea where to start. |
| 12:15:06 | kargatron | ok |
| 12:15:38 | LinusN | kargatron: try the debug->mpeg screen |
| 12:30:10 | kargatron | well, of course my immediate attempts to repro it fail. but next time it happens, I'll check the mpeg screen, see if anything is obviously different from a normal one, at least |
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| 12:49:45 | * | dwihno got a humble question to the linux ninjas :) |
| 12:49:53 | * | LinusN hides |
| 12:49:53 | dwihno | Have you gotten XFree to do TV-out? |
| 12:50:03 | LinusN | no, haven't tried |
| 12:50:18 | dwihno | hm |
| 12:50:24 | Zagor | me neither, but I plan to |
| 12:50:40 | dwihno | I'm googlin' for some kind of information atm. It would be pretty neat. |
| 12:50:54 | Zagor | a good place to start, perhaps: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:51:13 | dwihno | I see a TV-in project at rivatv.sourceforge.net, which might be interesting for video capturing |
| 12:51:54 | Zagor | that's tv-in... |
| 12:53:40 | dwihno | yes |
| 12:53:51 | dwihno | I said so :) |
| 12:54:01 | Zagor | <dwihno> Have you gotten XFree to do TV-out? |
| 12:54:02 | Zagor | :) |
| 12:54:16 | dwihno | Yes :) |
| 12:54:19 | dwihno | I said so too! :) |
| 12:54:34 | dwihno | dwihno> I see a TV-in project at rivatv.sourceforge.net |
| 12:54:35 | dwihno | :-) |
| 12:55:06 | Zagor | ah, right |
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| 13:00:13 | dwihno | Ah, reading the official nvidia docs might be an idea |
| 13:01:22 | dwihno | (app-j) APPENDIX J: CONFIGURING TV-OUT |
| 13:01:24 | dwihno | :D |
| 13:01:29 | Zagor | hehe |
| 13:02:18 | dwihno | I guess you need the closed source nvidia drivers for that |
| 13:02:27 | dwihno | You got nvidia? |
| 13:02:46 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:03:08 | Zagor | xfree86 doesn't include nvidia dvi support yet :-( |
| 13:03:25 | dwihno | the nvidia-provided drivers does |
| 13:03:38 | Zagor | yes. but they don't work with linux 2.5 |
| 13:03:38 | dwihno | as well as hardware acceleratio |
| 13:03:39 | dwihno | n |
| 13:03:49 | dwihno | 2.5? sounds like a test kernel ;D |
| 13:04:02 | Zagor | it is |
| 13:04:05 | Hadaka | 2.5 is the way |
| 13:04:12 | dwihno | What's new? |
| 13:04:35 | Hadaka | way much, actually, atleast in my opinion |
| 13:04:52 | Zagor | I want a simple fanless video card with dvi-d. seems nobody makes one. :-( |
| 13:05:13 | dwihno | This DVI card in the shelf has no fan |
| 13:05:18 | dwihno | Just a small heatsink |
| 13:05:20 | Hadaka | actually, I'm wishing for 2.4.20 to get released for my work computer |
| 13:05:31 | Zagor | dwihno: dvi, as in flat panel |
| 13:05:32 | dwihno | Hadaka: something special you're waiting for? |
| 13:05:47 | dwihno | Zagor: DVI, as in stupid non-standard contact? :) |
| 13:05:51 | dwihno | plug |
| 13:05:52 | dwihno | outlet |
| 13:05:54 | dwihno | darn |
| 13:05:55 | dwihno | :) |
| 13:05:57 | Zagor | it is standard |
| 13:06:09 | dwihno | Standard = oldschool style |
| 13:06:17 | Hadaka | dwihno: yes. XF4.2.1 compatible dga :) |
| 13:06:18 | dwihno | everything else = non-standard :) |
| 13:06:24 | Zagor | oldschool = analog... |
| 13:06:25 | dwihno | Hadaka: kickass :) |
| 13:06:46 | Hadaka | rc1 atleast is out already |
| 13:06:53 | Hadaka | rc2 it seems |
| 13:18:37 | Zagor | ahh, rename() fixed. |
| 13:18:55 | dwihno | Yay for Zay! :D |
| 13:19:19 | dwihno | Hey, the archos worked flawless with freebsd btw. |
| 13:19:43 | Zagor | yeah, rec20 does thanks to the new usb2 chip |
| 13:19:55 | dwihno | Yea :) |
| 13:20:06 | dwihno | Was it In-System blahblah who did it? |
| 13:20:19 | dwihno | My external USB2 box for my HD has some In-System item too |
| 13:20:24 | dwihno | (which worked flawless too!) |
| 13:20:58 | dwihno | Fy vad sugen jag blev på svampstuvnign |
| 13:21:25 | Zagor | :-) |
| 13:21:48 | dwihno | Imagine varma mackor with svampstuvning and skinka and coated with cheese ... :)~~~ |
| 13:21:56 | * | dwihno is in "varma-mackor-land" |
| 13:22:12 | Zagor | hehe |
| 13:29:49 | LinusN | Opera för Linux isn't all that smart |
| 13:30:06 | LinusN | if i download a PDF file and select "Open the file" in the dialog box |
| 13:30:17 | LinusN | it tries to open it before it is downloaded |
| 13:30:29 | Zagor | really? that's gotta be a bug. |
| 13:30:34 | LinusN | i.e it opens a half PDF file |
| 13:30:41 | LinusN | i'll report it to them |
| 13:31:41 | dwihno | I saw a beta version of opera 7 being released. |
| 13:31:52 | dwihno | Perhaps for windows only, but I still thought I might mention it ;) |
| 13:32:14 | Zagor | dwihno: i've tried it. but I hate the new bright-white look. |
| 13:32:44 | Zagor | didn't find how to change it, so i'm back in o6 |
| 13:34:29 | dwihno | Zagor: I guess everything will be configurable later on... :) (It might be, but you didn't stumble across that configuration) |
| 13:35:09 | Zagor | yeah. version 6 can change skins, but I didn't see it in version 7. maybe it will be in a later revision. |
| 13:35:54 | dwihno | probably |
| 13:36:46 | LinusN | I like Mozilla, but Opera is still my browser of choice |
| 13:37:13 | Zagor | yeah, me too. |
| 13:37:24 | LinusN | Opera has better options for almost everything |
| 13:37:33 | LinusN | gives me a sense of control |
| 13:37:41 | LinusN | no nonsense |
| 13:38:01 | Zagor | i've been trying to bind keys the same way in mozilla, but it's really poorly documented :-( |
| 13:38:10 | dwihno | :-/ |
| 13:38:19 | dwihno | I think Mozilla is much slower too |
| 13:38:43 | Zagor | yeah |
| 13:38:54 | LinusN | i use Opera on all my platforms: windows, Linux and Symbian |
| 13:39:48 | dwihno | Symbian? Sounds PDA'ish |
| 13:40:05 | Hadaka | I'd use something else than mozilla but nothing supports stylesheets and xml well enough |
| 13:40:27 | Hadaka | but my needs are special, I guess |
| 13:41:10 | dwihno | How come? |
| 13:42:16 | Hadaka | well since other people seem to use other browsers :) |
| 13:45:46 | dwihno | IE for *nix would be kickass :) |
| 13:46:07 | dwihno | Isn't it available for solaris or such? |
| 13:46:52 | LinusN | ie is evil |
| 13:47:40 | Hadaka | I haven't ever realized what people see in IE |
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| 13:48:04 | kargatron | it's convenient for windows users, is all. |
| 13:50:07 | dwihno | Fast JVM |
| 13:50:17 | dwihno | nice style sheet support |
| 13:50:31 | dwihno | doesn't crash too often ;) |
| 13:50:35 | Hadaka | euh |
| 13:50:44 | Hadaka | Fast JVM I can understand |
| 13:51:07 | Zagor | nice style sheet support??? which IE version are you running? |
| 13:51:11 | Hadaka | but IE style sheet support has been buggy in each and every version |
| 13:51:41 | kargatron | if you can't understand 'convenience' then you are missing the primary driver behind almost all human activity. :) |
| 13:51:55 | dwihno | Zagor: 5-ish something |
| 13:52:08 | Hadaka | kargatron: it's not just convenience for windows users if the people are wishing IE for *nix |
| 13:52:35 | dwihno | I prefer IE over Mozilla |
| 13:52:40 | dwihno | I prefer Opera over IE |
| 13:52:47 | dwihno | But Opera sometimes crashes :/ |
| 13:52:58 | dwihno | But I'm gonna give Opera for FreeBSD a try |
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| 13:57:40 | Zagor | lunch time |
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| 13:57:58 | dwihno | lunch at 2pm? nay! that's too late! :) |
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| 15:10:33 | LinusN | Zagor: do you support O_APPEND? |
| 15:10:48 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:11:25 | LinusN | wonderful! |
| 15:11:37 | dwihno | I sense recording fixes coming up :D |
| 15:11:51 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:12:18 | LinusN | does O_CREAT|O_APPEND work? |
| 15:12:30 | Zagor | I guess |
| 15:12:51 | Zagor | yeah, it does. creat is only looked at if the file doesn't exist |
| 15:13:19 | LinusN | great |
| 15:26:43 | LinusN | is it possible for somebody to do a recording with Line In and see if the frequency is correct? |
| 15:27:11 | Zagor | i have nothing to plug it into right now |
| 15:27:30 | Zagor | you could just record nothing and see what happens |
| 15:27:39 | LinusN | i just though of the same thing |
| 15:27:49 | LinusN | i don't need to listen to it... |
| 15:27:50 | Zagor | sound is overrated :) |
| 15:28:11 | LinusN | BTW, it's ON+F1 for id3 browse, right? |
| 15:28:19 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:28:20 | kargatron | reverse orde,r yes |
| 15:28:38 | Zagor | right, you must press F1 first |
| 15:28:55 | LinusN | i noticed, how silly |
| 15:28:59 | Zagor | hehe |
| 15:30:18 | dwihno | ><))))8> |
| 15:31:15 | Zagor | so how should we reach file delete and remove? in the gui. |
| 15:31:37 | dwihno | From Rockbox Commander - the integrated file manager :D |
| 15:31:40 | LinusN | only i n wps :-) |
| 15:31:41 | kargatron | i can't even remember how archos did it.:) |
| 15:31:49 | dwihno | They had F2 or such |
| 15:31:56 | dwihno | F2 for file |
| 15:32:02 | dwihno | then you could chose delete or something |
| 15:32:17 | Zagor | yeah |
| 15:32:31 | dwihno | I haven't been using that firmware since ATA: -2 :) |
| 15:32:32 | Zagor | remember player users want this too |
| 15:32:57 | dwihno | a file menu perhaps |
| 15:33:07 | dwihno | with rename, delete etc. |
| 15:33:09 | dwihno | Hm |
| 15:33:15 | dwihno | We're running out of buttons! |
| 15:33:30 | * | dwihno looks at his unit |
| 15:33:37 | LinusN | yeah, rb explorer |
| 15:33:49 | kargatron | how about 3 hard bumps against a hard surface when the file is chosen |
| 15:34:08 | dwihno | Okay, how about a file menu from the main menu? |
| 15:34:19 | dwihno | Or keeping "configuration" pressed for 2+ secs |
| 15:34:54 | Zagor | kargatron: hehe, excellent idea |
| 15:35:57 | Zagor | a menu item is probably the only workable way |
| 15:37:37 | dwihno | yes |
| 15:37:41 | dwihno | file management perhaps |
| 15:40:04 | dwihno | or a "second file browser" |
| 15:41:03 | kargatron | i think recorder users would certainly appreciate a file mgr mode where those F buttons can be used. |
| 15:41:19 | Zagor | maybe a "file manager mode" in the browser, somehow? so pressing PLAY gives you a list of options (remove, rename etc) insted of playing the file? |
| 15:41:36 | kargatron | In fact, a consistent/similar interface for file mgmt and queueing, etc, is probaly a good idea. |
| 15:42:13 | Zagor | kargatron: holding play on a file brings up a menu: queue, rename, delete? |
| 15:42:36 | dwihno | Zagor: another "quick"-menu? |
| 15:42:54 | Zagor | dwihno: yeah, sort of |
| 15:42:54 | kargatron | Zagor, maybe, i haven't personally given it much thought, but: |
| 15:43:15 | kargatron | i have seen comments in the requests that despise the 'hold-down' method, for queueing at least |
| 15:43:25 | kargatron | i doubt those types would enjoy it more for file mgmt |
| 15:43:34 | Zagor | ok, what is the reason they don't like it? |
| 15:43:56 | kargatron | probably don't like that brief delay in doing things. |
| 15:44:27 | kargatron | you can practice getting good at key sequences, until it's quite fast, but a delay will always stall the process. |
| 15:44:39 | kargatron | my guess at that - i can see the point of view... |
| 15:45:21 | kargatron | i.e., there's a diff between holding down for a time, and punching specific key sequences to get there. many prefer the latter, is all. |
| 15:45:40 | dwihno | buttons < options :) |
| 15:46:05 | dwihno | File management is still not really a daily task |
| 15:46:26 | dwihno | If you want to do something major, you connect the unit and use your fav' software for that purpose |
| 15:47:15 | kargatron | personally, i doubt i'd ever use file mgmt. |
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| 15:49:10 | kargatron | anything ever come of that list suggestion/web page of a GUI reorg for the recorder? |
| 15:50:28 | Zagor | nothing yet. we've been a bit busy here... :-) |
| 15:51:27 | kargatron | just brought it up because it's potentially relevant to the file mgmt issues. depending on priorities. |
| 15:52:36 | Zagor | yeah. but there needs to be lots more discussions before we change the gui. file mgmt will go in first. |
| 15:54:09 | dwihno | I say we get "File mgmt" in the menu! :) |
| 15:54:25 | dwihno | I think the file stuff should be separated from the user interface (as with the recording) |
| 15:54:45 | dwihno | Then using some kind of different icons will help too! :) |
| 15:55:38 | Zagor | icons? we have icons? |
| 15:56:47 | dwihno | Yes :) |
| 15:57:20 | dwihno | Some kind of flute (recorder, hehu) to mark the recording |
| 15:57:37 | dwihno | and a waste basket to show the "file management" |
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| 16:00:35 | dwihno | and a "start" button wish folding menus for all .rock modules! :) |
| 16:00:42 | dwihno | s/wish/with/ |
| 16:04:14 | dwihno | "Rockbox firmwares are developed for use in the Recorder models which in many people's opnions, mine included, are much better than what Archos supplies. You can even play games on your recorders with these units and these firmwares are updated daily. It makes your Recorder basically a brand new unit with many cool features" |
| 16:05:40 | Zagor | nice words. where is it from? |
| 16:07:16 | dwihno | Some firmware collection page |
| 16:07:28 | dwihno | Just w8, I'll check |
| 16:07:39 | dwihno | http://www.hotmp3gear.com/updates1.htm |
| 16:07:40 | dwihno | there |
| 16:10:54 | Zagor | it's interesting seeing how many people seem to think the current version is 1.14 instead of 1.4 |
| 16:11:32 | kargatron | it's all those '1's in '1.4' - confusing |
| 16:11:39 | Zagor | haha |
| 16:14:52 | dwihno | :) |
| 16:16:12 | dwihno | "Those Rockbox guys really do kick some serious ass! Check out one of their DAILY BUILDS for some kick ass firmware replacement on Archos MP3 players. The latest development −− and this is why you'll have to grab the daily build and not the 1.3 build −− is ROLO. ROLO is a bootloader for the Archos." |
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| 16:21:43 | dwihno | Do you people know Eric Lasagne? |
| 16:21:47 | dwihno | http://lassauge.free.fr/rockbox/fr_rbox.htm |
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| 16:22:43 | Zagor | nope |
| 16:34:05 | dwihno | Check that URL |
| 16:34:13 | Zagor | i did |
| 16:34:19 | dwihno | Cute huh? :) |
| 16:34:24 | Zagor | yeah :-) |
| 16:34:58 | dwihno | RockBox avec francais! :) |
| 16:46:45 | Zagor | LinusN: you here? |
| 16:46:55 | LinusN | just got here |
| 16:47:40 | Zagor | i've been thinking about the plugins. i think we should use a function pointer struct instead, like I do in smash. |
| 16:47:59 | LinusN | for all internal functions? |
| 16:48:05 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:49:00 | Zagor | is there a good reason not to? |
| 16:49:27 | LinusN | well, i'm not all that fond of putting an API in cement |
| 16:49:45 | Zagor | we can version control it, like everything else |
| 16:50:14 | Zagor | the api isn't more fixed in a struct than with absolute addresses... |
| 16:51:08 | Zagor | with a struct we don't have to worry about only running the exact same binary build. |
| 16:52:23 | LinusN | actually, i'm not that fond of defining a plugin API at all |
| 16:52:28 | Zagor | ?? |
| 16:52:59 | Zagor | no plugins? |
| 16:52:59 | LinusN | i mean, we would have to put great effort in defining the API |
| 16:53:09 | Zagor | we don't. the api is already there. |
| 16:53:20 | dwihno | "If you have an Archos Jukebox, trust me on this: Rockbox is nowhere near competing with Archos for the firmware on this thing. All I want is someone to fix the fucking shuffle on this thing, but no. I installed Rockbox and deleted it almost immediately. It sucked that much" |
| 16:53:31 | Zagor | dwihno: that's an old gem. |
| 16:53:39 | dwihno | Yes :) |
| 16:53:42 | dwihno | 06/04/2002 |
| 16:53:59 | dwihno | I used it back then |
| 16:54:06 | dwihno | Even with the "Welle erdball" bug |
| 16:55:07 | LinusN | Zagor: the api also consists of global data structures |
| 16:55:40 | Zagor | LinusN: it doesn't have to. it depends how much we want plugin:able. i say we start simple and export the firmware library. |
| 16:56:05 | LinusN | the fw library? |
| 16:56:38 | Zagor | yes. file, screen and button api is enough for 75% of all plugins |
| 16:57:27 | dwihno | c'est parfait |
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| 19:14:17 | LinusN | yo Bagder! |
| 19:14:34 | Bagder | hey |
| 19:14:41 | LinusN | zagors birthday! |
| 19:14:47 | Bagder | yeps |
| 19:14:49 | LinusN | i had forgotten! |
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| 19:28:18 | LinusN | Bagder: will he throw a party? |
| 19:28:19 | wsb | i have a question about the Archos MP3 Player/Recorder 10 Gig HD |
| 19:28:26 | LinusN | wsb: shoot |
| 19:28:31 | Bagder | LinusN: not that I know of |
| 19:28:47 | wsb | when i start it up, i always get a hd register error |
| 19:29:13 | wsb | i have version 1.27b |
| 19:29:55 | wsb | and LinusN ? , think you got a solution |
| 19:30:11 | LinusN | how are your batteries? |
| 19:30:25 | wsb | about empty |
| 19:30:38 | LinusN | bad batteries may cause this |
| 19:31:00 | wsb | but i dont have the charger, because i bought it in the states, so i have to buy me a new one |
| 19:31:22 | LinusN | if the cells are dead or worn out, they may not give sufficient power to the drive |
| 19:32:04 | LinusN | wsb: any 9V 600mA battery eliminator will work |
| 19:32:15 | wsb | yes i know |
| 19:37:46 | wsb | so it could be either empty batteries or bad batteries or in worst case some hardware probs |
| 19:38:40 | LinusN | exactly |
| 19:38:57 | wsb | ok thx |
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