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| 00:03:13 | Triple-z | http://www.ipodlounge.com/assets/galleries/iatw_gallery/image/ipods_world176.jpg :P |
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| 00:16:51 | BoD[tv] | cute:) |
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| 00:35:25 | BoD[] | hurm |
| 00:35:36 | Jet8810 | alright |
| 00:36:16 | BoD[] | :) |
| 00:36:30 | Jet8810 | I need to pick up 2100 mah batteries for recorder, but just spent like $100 on PDA stuff in past two weeks |
| 00:43:39 | BoD[] | i'd like to have a reversecounter in rockbox |
| 00:44:33 | BoD[] | i should submit this in the frequests:) |
| 00:45:15 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 00:45:24 | Jet8810 | any idea how much longer playlists queuing will take? |
| 00:45:55 | LinusN | BoD[]: reversecounter? |
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| 00:48:36 | Jet8810 | Linus, do you happen to know the answer to my question? :-p |
| 00:49:24 | LinusN | Jet8810: i know all answers to all questions :-) |
| 00:49:30 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 00:49:33 | Jet8810 | care to answer it? :-p |
| 00:49:48 | LinusN | Jet8810: nobody is working on it |
| 00:49:51 | Jet8810 | really? |
| 00:49:59 | Jet8810 | do not that many people want it? |
| 00:50:05 | Jet8810 | that is the one hole missing...IMO |
| 00:50:16 | LinusN | as it is now, almost only 2 people are actually working on stuff |
| 00:50:26 | LinusN | i and zagor |
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| 00:50:58 | Jet8810 | whoa |
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| 00:51:07 | Jet8810 | do you have a lot you need to do before this will become a reality? |
| 00:51:16 | LinusN | all other people seem busy with other projects |
| 00:51:25 | Jet8810 | I would REALLY want to help, but my computer language ends at html ;) |
| 00:51:27 | Jet8810 | 3.2 at that heh |
| 00:51:34 | johnny | *g* |
| 00:51:41 | LinusN | Jet8810: yes, the recording and some bugs |
| 00:51:57 | * | Jet8810 glances at johnny |
| 00:52:04 | johnny | oops |
| 00:52:04 | Jet8810 | alright |
| 00:52:16 | Jet8810 | I can wait of course |
| 00:52:22 | Jet8810 | btw, is there any way to give a donation to rockbox crew? |
| 00:52:36 | LinusN | Jet8810: i don't think so |
| 00:52:54 | Jet8810 | why dont you set up a paypal account? |
| 00:52:59 | LinusN | we have a few |
| 00:53:05 | Jet8810 | you deserve a reward for your efforts! along with the other main guys (Bjorn) |
| 00:53:12 | Jet8810 | and zagor |
| 00:53:13 | LinusN | but it is rather a question about who gets the money |
| 00:53:18 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 00:53:26 | Jet8810 | well who has been with project all along and put forth most effort? |
| 00:53:36 | Jet8810 | You, Bjorn and Zagor? |
| 00:53:51 | LinusN | björn and zagor are the same person :-) |
| 00:54:02 | Jet8810 | really? haha |
| 00:54:02 | Jet8810 | ok |
| 00:54:04 | Jet8810 | so just you two? |
| 00:54:13 | LinusN | and Bagder |
| 00:54:20 | LinusN | and a few more guys |
| 00:54:31 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 00:54:32 | LinusN | but i guess us 3 made the most |
| 00:54:45 | Jet8810 | does original archos firmware have queueing? |
| 00:54:53 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:54:55 | Jet8810 | because if so, cant you just copy the code? |
| 00:55:00 | BoD[] | by "reversecounter" I mean a counter that displays the amount of time before a particular date |
| 00:55:01 | Jet8810 | or not that easy? |
| 00:55:08 | BoD[] | there has to be a real word for that :) |
| 00:55:11 | LinusN | BoD[]: for what? |
| 00:55:32 | BoD[] | for a "counter that displays the amount of time before a particular date" |
| 00:55:43 | BoD[] | ? |
| 00:55:44 | Jet8810 | countdown |
| 00:55:53 | BoD[] | countdown yes!!! that's it:) |
| 00:55:58 | LinusN | BoD[]: i mean for what use? |
| 00:56:08 | LinusN | remaining time of song? |
| 00:56:23 | BoD[] | well no |
| 00:56:26 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 00:56:27 | BoD[] | for any event |
| 00:56:36 | Jet8810 | can I say....get a dayplanner? |
| 00:56:37 | Jet8810 | :) |
| 00:56:47 | BoD[] | yeah I know this has nothing to do with an mp3 player but still |
| 00:56:47 | Jet8810 | or get a PDA or one of those cheap electronic things |
| 00:56:51 | LinusN | BoD[]: alarm clock? |
| 00:56:56 | Jet8810 | no speaker |
| 00:56:57 | BoD[] | linus : kind of :) |
| 00:57:17 | BoD[] | well It could play some special mp3 when the alarm reach the date ! |
| 00:57:23 | LinusN | or "678 days left to World Cup"? |
| 00:57:30 | BoD[] | exactly :)))) |
| 00:57:37 | BoD[] | I like to have this kind of stuff |
| 00:57:47 | BoD[] | especially when it's displayed in number of seconds |
| 00:58:02 | BoD[] | "only 672416571 seconds left before christmas" |
| 00:58:14 | LinusN | BoD[]: you are silly! :-) |
| 00:58:14 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 00:58:24 | BoD[] | yes I am :)) |
| 00:58:26 | * | Jet8810 thinks queuing has priority heh |
| 00:58:42 | Jet8810 | Linus, btw, could you copy code for queuing from original archos firmware? |
| 00:58:50 | BoD[] | I'm sure I could code this kind of thing myself if I really wanted it !!! |
| 00:59:10 | BoD[] | it's simple and I know c |
| 00:59:14 | Triple-z | do in the demo a graph like in winamp |
| 00:59:31 | Triple-z | i mean regular one with the gumpin lines |
| 00:59:55 | Jet8810 | BoD...PLEASE!! heh |
| 00:59:56 | LinusN | Jet8810: i can't copy code from archos |
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| 01:00:02 | Jet8810 | illegal? |
| 01:00:13 | BoD[] | please what :) |
| 01:00:16 | LinusN | yes, and incredibly hard |
| 01:00:35 | Triple-z | or do the song name moving with the music |
| 01:00:40 | LinusN | implementing a queue function is dead easy |
| 01:01:00 | LinusN | the hard part is doing it like we want it to work |
| 01:01:15 | johnny | *g* |
| 01:01:17 | LinusN | people will expect it to work with playlists and dir play |
| 01:01:33 | LinusN | people will expect it to work with resume |
| 01:03:39 | LinusN | damn, when i removed the MAS polling on the recorder, MP2 files stopped working... |
| 01:03:39 | Jet8810 | right |
| 01:03:49 | Jet8810 | alright, just reinforcing the request heh |
| 01:04:06 | Jet8810 | a lot better to have whole list queued then to waste time listening to find next song |
| 01:04:09 | BoD[] | and when did you do that ? |
| 01:04:13 | Jet8810 | kills enjoyability of it :) |
| 01:04:24 | Jet8810 | how do you use queue in archos firmware anyway? |
| 01:04:57 | LinusN | BoD[]: when i added the recording |
| 01:05:13 | BoD[] | hmm |
| 01:05:57 | BoD[] | do you know the differences between the 20021130 and 20021201 versions ? |
| 01:06:54 | LinusN | only corrections for build failures |
| 01:07:10 | BoD[] | you mean ... no changes in the code ??? |
| 01:07:18 | LinusN | and an attempt to add m3u only file filter |
| 01:07:46 | BoD[] | because the issues I have do not happen in the 20021130 |
| 01:08:01 | BoD[] | but they happen in the 20021201 |
| 01:08:32 | BoD[] | maybe they are just random and depend on the phase of the moon |
| 01:09:27 | LinusN | what problems? |
| 01:10:13 | BoD[] | HITACHI_DK23CA-20 going off between songs |
| 01:11:03 | LinusN | skipping? |
| 01:11:36 | BoD[] | nop, the disk just go off when I press next |
| 01:11:44 | BoD[] | not always but very often |
| 01:11:51 | LinusN | BoD[]: instead of spinning up? |
| 01:12:06 | BoD[] | I believe so |
| 01:12:28 | LinusN | ok, and what happens if you set "disk poweroff" to "No"? |
| 01:12:42 | BoD[] | it changes nothing |
| 01:12:51 | LinusN | have you tried a later build? |
| 01:12:52 | BoD[] | in fact it is on no |
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| 01:13:17 | BoD[] | I tried a build from today morning |
| 01:13:31 | BoD[] | same thing :) |
| 01:13:36 | LinusN | weird |
| 01:13:47 | BoD[] | then I tried the 20021201 : same thing |
| 01:13:58 | BoD[] | then I tried the 20021130 : no problem |
| 01:15:06 | LinusN | incredible |
| 01:15:28 | BoD[] | in fact it seems not to happen if I press next fast |
| 01:15:49 | LinusN | it sounds a little like a battery problem |
| 01:15:51 | BoD[] | but if I wait a bit between two songs then it halts |
| 01:16:15 | BoD[] | like if it has not enough power ? |
| 01:17:12 | LinusN | yes, worn out battery cells can cause the drive to not spin up |
| 01:17:37 | BoD[] | yes but this should not happen when it is plugged sould it ? |
| 01:17:38 | LinusN | they can be at 100% and still not be able to give that "kick" that the drive needs |
| 01:17:51 | LinusN | BoD[]: plugged or not does not matter |
| 01:18:02 | BoD[] | ah! |
| 01:18:09 | BoD[] | didn't know that |
| 01:18:40 | LinusN | i had that problem once, the drive didn't spin up correctly, one of my cells was worn out |
| 01:19:16 | BoD[] | i'll try with the new batteries |
| 01:19:20 | LinusN | the batteries are needed to supply enough current to the hard drive |
| 01:19:35 | LinusN | as an ackumulator |
| 01:19:56 | BoD[] | ok |
| 01:20:01 | BoD[] | but i'll also try again with build 20021201 |
| 01:20:07 | LinusN | do so |
| 01:20:12 | BoD[] | because it's very strange :))) |
| 01:20:14 | LinusN | and please try the latest bleeding edge |
| 01:20:28 | LinusN | that needs testing |
| 01:21:03 | BoD[] | well with this problem of mine it has been not very pleasent to use the unit :) |
| 01:21:17 | LinusN | i can see that |
| 01:21:18 | BoD[] | i had to reboot between almost every tracks :)) |
| 01:21:31 | LinusN | not gapless then? :-) |
| 01:21:38 | BoD[] | hahahh :) |
| 01:21:41 | BoD[] | notreally |
| 01:21:57 | BoD[] | by the way |
| 01:22:00 | LinusN | any strange sounds from the drive? |
| 01:22:11 | BoD[] | is there a way to retrieve older builds ? |
| 01:22:16 | LinusN | like click-click when it is supposed to spin up |
| 01:22:24 | LinusN | BoD[]: not from the site |
| 01:22:36 | BoD[] | nop only the sound when it goes off (high pitched) |
| 01:22:45 | BoD[] | like the drive cries ;) |
| 01:23:20 | BoD[] | like when you unplug the usb it does the same sound |
| 01:23:33 | LinusN | BoD[]: always that sound? |
| 01:23:37 | BoD[] | i believe it's not too good for the drive when it does that |
| 01:23:46 | BoD[] | yes always |
| 01:23:50 | LinusN | not good |
| 01:24:20 | LinusN | that means that is hasn't gone to sleep before the hard disk power is shut off |
| 01:24:48 | BoD[] | so it's like a power off problem |
| 01:24:57 | LinusN | BoD[]: what is your spindown timer set to? |
| 01:25:08 | BoD[] | hmm the default |
| 01:25:11 | LinusN | 3s? |
| 01:25:27 | BoD[] | wait |
| 01:25:46 | BoD[] | 5 s |
| 01:25:50 | LinusN | and it really shouldn't sound like that when poweroff is set to No |
| 01:26:29 | LinusN | set it to something high, like 8 |
| 01:26:51 | BoD[] | ok |
| 01:28:01 | BoD[] | wait i'll try the bleeding edge now |
| 01:28:56 | LinusN | watch out for serious skipping :-) |
| 01:31:58 | BoD[] | ok i just made it halt! |
| 01:32:16 | BoD[] | i'll try with the old one again |
| 01:32:17 | LinusN | did it sound strange? |
| 01:32:19 | BoD[] | to be SURE |
| 01:32:29 | BoD[] | yes the same high pitch sound |
| 01:32:34 | LinusN | wow |
| 01:37:29 | BoD[] | i can't make it bug with the old one |
| 01:38:05 | BoD[] | it's making go crazy :) |
| 01:38:17 | LinusN | and no sound? |
| 01:38:31 | BoD[] | nono it works just fine with the old one |
| 01:38:49 | LinusN | ok, load the bleeding edge and make sure that poweroff is NO |
| 01:39:04 | BoD[] | well I'm sure :) it's set to no !!! |
| 01:39:50 | LinusN | BoD[]: did you download the 1130 build from the daily build page, or is it a bleeding edge from 1130? |
| 01:40:19 | BoD[] | i downloaded that : http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-recorder/ajbrec.ajz |
| 01:40:33 | BoD[] | oh you mean the old one |
| 01:40:44 | BoD[] | hm it's this one : http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily/recorder/archos20021130.ajz |
| 01:40:49 | LinusN | ok |
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| 01:41:57 | LinusN | BoD[]: this is so strange |
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| 01:43:00 | BoD[] | yes :( |
| 01:43:09 | BoD[] | strange bugs are not the best |
| 01:43:20 | LinusN | BoD[]: the whining sound sure sounds like it is powering off the hard drive |
| 01:43:33 | LinusN | when it shoudln't |
| 01:44:04 | BoD[] | is it normal to power off the hard drive when trying to change track ? :) |
| 01:44:16 | LinusN | absolutely not |
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| 01:44:44 | BoD[] | i really have to try with new batteries |
| 01:45:02 | LinusN | when does the sound come btw? |
| 01:45:15 | BoD[] | maybe it tries to read some stuff and need too much power |
| 01:45:38 | BoD[] | well I'm listening to a track.. .then I press next |
| 01:45:42 | BoD[] | it works |
| 01:45:51 | BoD[] | then if I press next 'quickly' |
| 01:45:54 | BoD[] | it works too |
| 01:46:02 | BoD[] | but if I wait a little time |
| 01:46:05 | BoD[] | and press next |
| 01:46:21 | BoD[] | then screen displays infos about the next song |
| 01:46:39 | BoD[] | but it does not play it, instead it goes off (noise) and the red light stays on |
| 01:47:03 | LinusN | so it spins up, and then down again? |
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| 01:47:26 | BoD[] | hmmm I think it's that |
| 01:48:00 | BoD[] | i'll try again :) |
| 01:48:04 | BoD[] | with new build |
| 01:51:10 | BoD[] | ok I just had a new behaviour :( |
| 01:51:40 | BoD[] | I pressed next (after spindown) then the light went red but no noise and it keeps on reading the track |
| 01:52:08 | BoD[] | got the noise when turning off the unit |
| 01:52:08 | LinusN | ? |
| 01:53:13 | LinusN | how do you know it is reading? |
| 01:53:28 | BoD[] | i mean playing |
| 01:53:32 | BoD[] | the sound |
| 01:53:46 | LinusN | aha, but the led was constantly ON |
| 01:54:51 | BoD[] | yes |
| 01:55:09 | LinusN | wow |
| 01:55:11 | BoD[] | and the disk was on too because when I turned the unit off it did the sound |
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| 01:55:22 | LinusN | yeah, taht's expected |
| 01:56:09 | BoD[] | ok wait |
| 01:56:19 | BoD[] | that was with the 1201 build ;) |
| 01:56:31 | BoD[] | it does not do that with the 1206 |
| 01:57:03 | LinusN | and what dows it do with 1206? |
| 01:57:04 | BoD[] | ok |
| 01:57:19 | BoD[] | if I wait till it has spinned down |
| 01:57:23 | BoD[] | it works |
| 01:57:38 | BoD[] | if I wait so it doesnt spin down it works too |
| 01:58:03 | BoD[] | if I press next WHILE it's spinning donw (is this possible?) it bugs |
| 01:58:43 | LinusN | maybe within 2 seconds from the drive has spun down? |
| 01:59:32 | BoD[] | well |
| 01:59:43 | BoD[] | it's hard to explain :(( |
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| 02:00:24 | LinusN | well, gotta go to sleep now |
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| 02:00:34 | BoD[] | yes mee too |
| 02:00:42 | LinusN | cu tomorrow |
| 02:00:45 | BoD[] | i'll tell you exactly what I see tomorrow! |
| 02:00:52 | LinusN | gr8 |
| 02:00:54 | LinusN | nite all! |
| 02:00:54 | BoD[] | thank you :) bye !!! |
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| 03:13:03 | mrsubway | Hi. Is the guy who reccomended the Koss Porta Pros here? |
| 03:14:34 | mrsubway | In any event, if you're logging this, I want to say THANKS! |
| 03:14:44 | mrsubway | I got a pair and they sound amazing! Thanks again. |
| 03:14:50 | mrsubway | Tony mrsubway@optonline.net |
| 03:15:17 | mrsubway | PS: Still love Rockbox, and can't wait for version 2! |
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| 08:00:36 | | Nick dw|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
| 08:05:48 | dwihno | Good morning everyone! |
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| 08:17:35 | dwihno | Somewhere deep inside me, I found, the child I used to be. |
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| 08:30:43 | dwihno | Yay for Bagder! |
| 08:30:51 | Bagder | morning |
| 08:30:59 | dwihno | Zagor appeared on TV? |
| 08:31:00 | dwihno | How come? |
| 08:31:01 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:31:03 | dwihno | Efterlyst? :) |
| 08:31:12 | Bagder | regarding his appartment swapping site |
| 08:31:22 | Bagder | he was on "ABC-nytt" |
| 08:31:27 | Bagder | http://bjorn.haxx.se/byta/ |
| 08:32:07 | Bagder | his site got quite a boost from that |
| 08:32:52 | dwihno | Cool :) |
| 08:32:55 | dwihno | Yay for Zay! |
| 08:33:23 | dwihno | That building next to the logo looks like a simcity building |
| 08:34:39 | dwihno | Beware of the trianglebyte! :D |
| 08:34:55 | Bagder | it gets worse than just 3 ;-) |
| 08:35:09 | Bagder | he shows 5-corner swaps |
| 08:35:20 | Bagder | mind boggling |
| 08:35:25 | dwihno | :O |
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| 09:06:34 | merwin | So, how do I switch to a daily bundle of list e-mails instead of individual ones? |
| 09:07:04 | Bagder | currently there is no such option |
| 09:07:14 | Bagder | but we're discussing switching over to one that allows it |
| 09:12:30 | merwin | :) |
| 09:12:46 | merwin | My e-mail client filters it all into one folder anyways... |
| 09:12:52 | merwin | it's just for ease of use really |
| 09:13:34 | Bagder | the main reason to change would be that majordomo that we use now has no really neat way of dealing with bounces, so thet swamp Zagor pretty much now |
| 09:14:07 | merwin | ahh |
| 09:15:32 | dwihno | merwin: what client do you use? |
| 09:15:44 | merwin | dwihno: InScribe win32 |
| 09:17:19 | dwihno | merwin: I'll check :) |
| 09:21:02 | merwin | dwihno: http://www.memecode.com |
| 09:21:23 | merwin | there's a free version, but the retail (all of $20) adds stuff like forwarding, multiple boxes |
| 09:21:28 | merwin | err, not forwarding |
| 09:21:35 | merwin | Filters |
| 09:21:54 | merwin | The cool part is that he makes the software for Linux/BeOS/Win32 |
| 09:22:05 | dwihno | Cool |
| 09:22:12 | dwihno | I like mutt |
| 09:22:16 | dwihno | For my basic needs |
| 09:22:30 | merwin | I'm forced into windows |
| 09:30:00 | merwin | gotta split, ttyl |
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| 09:42:16 | kargatron | ah, having Year in WPS totally rocks. love it. |
| 09:42:54 | Bagder | :-) |
| 09:45:35 | dwihno | Having a flickering WPS rules too ;D |
| 09:46:16 | kargatron | when does that happen? in just some fraction of units? |
| 09:46:33 | kargatron | was busy yesterday, couldn't keep track of flurry of worrk & problems |
| 09:47:21 | kargatron | but since i'm leaving for 3 weeks, tomorrow, i uploaded two different 'safety' builds to ROLO to if the latest is screwy. :) |
| 09:48:31 | kargatron | Bagder, do you know how zagor handled genre? is there a read-only genre-table file used to match the genre-tag-number to? |
| 09:48:48 | Bagder | the strings are built-in |
| 09:48:49 | kargatron | (i thought the tag value was # only...) |
| 09:49:07 | kargatron | oh, in the code |
| 09:49:09 | Bagder | all the id3 ones and the winamp extended ones |
| 09:49:28 | kargatron | ah |
| 09:51:54 | kargatron | weird tho, my jazz cuts seem to default to my folder-org, as if %ig is null: |
| 09:52:07 | kargatron | %?ig<%ig|%?d3<%?d4<%d4:>%d3|%d2>> # sorry so complicated |
| 09:52:41 | kargatron | a cut with a 'jazz' genre still displays %d4:%d3 |
| 09:53:17 | kargatron | not that that hurts, since my folder-org is genre anyway (effectively, i faked %ig before). Still odd tho |
| 09:53:47 | Bagder | perhaps %ig bugs in the conditional context |
| 09:54:09 | kargatron | but it works with other genres - it's just jazz that's defaulting |
| 09:54:20 | Bagder | oh |
| 09:54:32 | kargatron | otoh, maybe there's a bracketing issue, and it's actually showing me: %ig:%d3 |
| 09:54:46 | kargatron | i wouldn't be able to tell the diff, since %d4 is also 'Jazz' |
| 09:54:56 | kargatron | the nesting looks right tho |
| 09:57:13 | kargatron | so the 1206 build is 'acting normally', now that i'm just trying it. When do people see problems? Just inconsistently, or bitrate-dependent? |
| 09:57:51 | Bagder | I'm not sure this one has problems |
| 09:58:14 | Bagder | Linus increased the "safety" level yday |
| 09:58:22 | kargatron | oh, i gathered from skimming last night people had issues |
| 09:58:28 | kargatron | good |
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| 09:59:01 | Zagor | morning |
| 09:59:04 | Bagder | there's also a "skip buffer" setting you can change now |
| 09:59:11 | Bagder | that might improve things too |
| 09:59:20 | kargatron | Zagor, i was giving thanks for Year, so thanks! love it |
| 09:59:43 | Zagor | :-) |
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| 10:01:10 | kargatron | i'm music-history-anal enough that it feels like I immediately know twice as much about the track with it :) |
| 10:06:34 | * | Bagder likes pine's new threading |
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| 10:22:04 | * | Zagor still prefers mutt |
| 10:22:15 | dwihno | :-) |
| 10:22:17 | dwihno | Muttmeister |
| 10:22:38 | dwihno | Zagor: tell me about your configuration |
| 10:23:03 | Zagor | uh? mutt config? |
| 10:23:11 | dwihno | ya :D |
| 10:23:37 | Zagor | set quote_regexp="^ *[a-zA-Z]*[]>|}%=][]>|}:=]*" |
| 10:23:43 | Zagor | set index_format="%Z %[%b %d] %-20.20L %s" |
| 10:23:49 | Zagor | that enough? ;) |
| 10:28:36 | Zagor | can someone please come up with some wild ideas about how spinup timing can fail? |
| 10:28:50 | Bagder | I can't ;-/ |
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| 10:29:25 | Zagor | horribly annoying |
| 10:31:06 | kargatron | in what observed situations does it fail? (I ask out of curiosity - I won't be able to help your qstn) |
| 10:32:02 | Bagder | sometimes it measures a far too fast spinup |
| 10:32:13 | Bagder | like 600ms |
| 10:32:19 | Bagder | which just isn't possible |
| 10:32:27 | kargatron | hm |
| 10:32:45 | Bagder | it messes up the watermark calculations |
| 10:33:00 | kargatron | which then causes playback burps? |
| 10:33:09 | Bagder | right |
| 10:33:31 | kargatron | limited to certain hardware, or unknown? |
| 10:33:42 | Bagder | unknown |
| 10:33:50 | Bagder | seems to happen for all of us |
| 10:34:10 | Bagder | Linus added code that ignores values less than 3500ms |
| 10:34:25 | kargatron | ahh, the safety level you referred to, ok |
| 10:34:29 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:35:09 | kargatron | but a 3.5s spinup time - am i misunderstanding what that is - what takes 3.5s minimum? |
| 10:35:30 | Bagder | from a powered off disk until we can read data from it |
| 10:35:41 | kargatron | oh, that long huh? |
| 10:35:52 | kargatron | what's the spinup time for non-poweroff? |
| 10:35:59 | Bagder | well, since we can't measure we need to play safe |
| 10:36:30 | Bagder | non-poweroff seems to be faster, but I don't know by how much |
| 10:37:27 | kargatron | is spin-up time a dynamic value? or a single typical value for each player? |
| 10:37:43 | Bagder | it's calculated on every spinup |
| 10:39:10 | kargatron | i feel like i'm asking too many naive questions, but: |
| 10:39:18 | kargatron | the sequence is: |
| 10:39:23 | johnny | good morning *yawn* |
| 10:39:34 | kargatron | poweroffed disk, spinup, read, fill buffer |
| 10:39:45 | Bagder | right |
| 10:39:47 | kargatron | but the goal is to fill the buffer at the right time, correct? |
| 10:39:55 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:40:03 | kargatron | so you're working at starting at some time before that, that's unknown |
| 10:40:24 | kargatron | how can you start at the right time, but simultaneously get a spinup time value to use? |
| 10:40:34 | Zagor | we use the last value |
| 10:40:38 | Bagder | based on the spinup time and the bitrate of the mp3, we can estimate how much buffer there's left when we must issue the spinup value |
| 10:40:41 | kargatron | oh, ok, an estimate |
| 10:41:03 | Bagder | the spinup command I mean |
| 10:42:00 | kargatron | to the spinup time is like the weather - yesterday's weather's a better forecast than a single average forecast? |
| 10:42:10 | Bagder | Zagor: could it be that it mistakenly spins up fast at times and then goes to retry on lin 234 in ata.c? |
| 10:42:46 | Bagder | kargatron: well, we need proper values first, then we can start debating last value or average ;-) |
| 10:44:10 | Bagder | of course, an average would somewhat hide occational bad values |
| 10:45:35 | Zagor | but it would still be risky |
| 10:46:09 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:46:13 | Zagor | ah, that could be it! |
| 10:47:04 | Zagor | can you try a fixed version? just copy the spinup_time and spinup assignments into the fail block above |
| 10:47:25 | Zagor | or maybe simply move the assignments below the next check |
| 10:47:38 | Bagder | me test |
| 10:47:44 | Zagor | move down, that's better |
| 10:47:50 | Bagder | yes |
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| 10:54:16 | Zagor | dwihno: your wps is pretty nice. a bit cluttered at the bottom, but I like the top 3 lines |
| 10:55:09 | kargatron | decoration implied there? |
| 10:55:45 | Zagor | decoration? |
| 10:56:07 | Zagor | i think the idea with a wps submission system is pretty nice. maybe we should add a tracker for it |
| 10:56:09 | kargatron | a 'pretty nice' wps - i assume that noting it means there's more than raw info |
| 10:56:30 | dwihno | Zagor: Yes, the bottom is a bitt cluttery unless you use the tight font |
| 10:56:41 | kargatron | some sort of pretty formatting or something |
| 10:56:44 | Bagder | gag |
| 10:56:45 | Zagor | no, I just like the way he uses conditional tags to extract info from the dir path if there is no id3 info |
| 10:56:46 | Bagder | 0ms |
| 10:56:58 | kargatron | ohh |
| 10:57:01 | dwihno | Zagor: You can call me WPS master ;) |
| 10:57:04 | Zagor | Bagder: ?? |
| 10:57:12 | dwihno | Zagor: Now pretty please check the scroll twitch bug ;) |
| 10:57:27 | Bagder | hm, I guess it doesn't spinup on the first attempt? |
| 10:57:31 | Zagor | it doesn't scroll right now :) |
| 10:57:38 | Zagor | Bagder: right |
| 10:57:46 | Bagder | 5180 |
| 10:57:57 | Bagder | 590 |
| 10:58:00 | Bagder | beeeep |
| 10:58:22 | Zagor | ok, so that wasn't it then :( |
| 10:58:43 | Bagder | I noticed something now |
| 10:58:57 | Bagder | I think it was modified twice in one single spinup |
| 10:59:43 | Zagor | hmm? |
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| 11:00:00 | Bagder | I'll check closer... |
| 11:01:17 | Bagder | ugh, it gets so silly its hard to say |
| 11:01:32 | Zagor | i'll call you |
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| 11:05:08 | Zagor | hi linus |
| 11:05:11 | LinusN | hi |
| 11:06:14 | LinusN | any idea about the spinup timer? |
| 11:06:23 | Zagor | we're discussing it on the phone |
| 11:06:44 | Zagor | it seems to be related to when the mpeg thread calls ata_sleep() |
| 11:06:50 | Bagder | irc, compile and talking in phone |
| 11:06:58 | Zagor | it appears a second access is made *after* ata_sleep() |
| 11:07:06 | LinusN | i think it may have to do with the 2-second gap between sleep and poweroff |
| 11:07:09 | Zagor | and that messes up stuff |
| 11:07:12 | Bagder | the time is set twice |
| 11:08:07 | LinusN | maybe ata_flush() has something to do with it? |
| 11:08:47 | Zagor | how? ata_read() doesn't return until ata_flush() is done too. it's synchronous |
| 11:09:09 | LinusN | yeah, just brainstorming |
| 11:11:04 | dwihno | Fa la la |
| 11:11:07 | Bagder | I can see it clearly now |
| 11:11:12 | dwihno | LinusN: Did you find out what's wrong with the kebabsång? |
| 11:11:17 | Bagder | I changed refresh rate in the debug screen |
| 11:11:27 | Zagor | "I can see clearly, now the rain is gone." la la la... |
| 11:11:33 | LinusN | dwihno: it's an MP2 song |
| 11:11:43 | Bagder | the second ~500-600 value is set about the same time when the red led is shut off |
| 11:11:54 | Zagor | LinusN: nice! we haven't tested many of those |
| 11:12:08 | LinusN | and my changed (for the recording) that uses IRQ instead of polling has affected MP2 playback |
| 11:12:45 | LinusN | it seems that there is a bug in the MAS that makes it toggle the DEMAND (EOD) pin a little too much |
| 11:13:25 | Zagor | LinusN: what happens if you call ata_sleep() and there's another MPEG_NEED_DATA event in the queue? |
| 11:13:40 | LinusN | Zagor: it should ignore it |
| 11:14:12 | Bagder | this happens almost 100% |
| 11:14:23 | LinusN | wait a sec |
| 11:15:32 | LinusN | if the DMA has played a block of data before mpeg_thread processes the "stray" MPEG_NEED_DATA message, it may try to access it again |
| 11:17:04 | LinusN | but why does that measure 600ms? |
| 11:17:29 | LinusN | the drive should have spun down, or? |
| 11:18:42 | LinusN | Bagder: can you try a source code change? |
| 11:18:48 | Bagder | sure tell me |
| 11:19:16 | LinusN | case MPEG_NEED_DATA: |
| 11:19:18 | LinusN | if(!filling) |
| 11:19:18 | LinusN | break; |
| 11:19:18 | LinusN | |
| 11:19:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LinusN |
| 11:19:18 | LinusN | free_space_left = mp3buf_read - mp3buf_write; |
| 11:19:26 | Bagder | Zagor: uh, we postpone the lunch a few mins |
| 11:19:45 | LinusN | add the if(!filling) as described |
| 11:20:04 | Bagder | ok |
| 11:21:08 | LinusN | gotta reboot (silly usb-storage) |
| 11:22:21 | LinusN | wow, it survived! |
| 11:23:05 | Bagder | no fun |
| 11:23:12 | Bagder | same procedure |
| 11:23:17 | LinusN | ok |
| 11:23:46 | LinusN | that is interesting |
| 11:23:52 | Bagder | I can see it change |
| 11:24:05 | Bagder | and then a second later it changes again |
| 11:24:38 | LinusN | weird |
| 11:24:54 | LinusN | does it behave the same when dirplaying and playlisting? |
| 11:25:23 | Bagder | this is dirplay |
| 11:25:56 | Bagder | trying a playlist |
| 11:26:55 | Bagder | did |
| 11:27:11 | LinusN | ok |
| 11:27:15 | Bagder | I can see the red led go on... change the time, go off, go on again... change the time and go off.. |
| 11:29:16 | Zagor | sounds exactly like a stray read |
| 11:29:54 | Zagor | it will be short because the disk hasn't spun down yet, so it only does the drive firmware reset and then is back up, which might very well take only 600ms |
| 11:29:56 | LinusN | the mpeg thread does two reads |
| 11:30:13 | LinusN | because the buffer wraps |
| 11:30:37 | Zagor | yes but it doesn't call ata_sleep() between those two reads, right? |
| 11:30:44 | LinusN | no it doesn't |
| 11:31:51 | Bagder | and you can't see this on your units? |
| 11:32:30 | Zagor | i have never seen it, no |
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| 11:33:30 | Bagder | hey langhaarrocker |
| 11:34:12 | LinusN | Bagders disk is probably slower than ours |
| 11:34:21 | Bagder | I bet |
| 11:34:26 | Bagder | it does show ~5100 ms |
| 11:34:33 | langhaarrocker | hey |
| 11:34:34 | Zagor | that's a lot |
| 11:35:23 | Zagor | i'd like to do some exact current measurements, so see if there is a break point where poweroff isn't worth it due to longer spinup time. |
| 11:35:39 | LinusN | BoD[] has problems, his drive shuts off while spinning, even when poweroff=no |
| 11:35:57 | Bagder | lunch |
| 11:36:47 | Zagor | LinusN: yeah I know. it's very odd. and even more so that his problems started with the 1201 build, which didn't change any ata code! |
| 11:37:48 | LinusN | we ran tests this night |
| 11:38:15 | LinusN | really weird |
| 11:41:26 | LinusN | we really need a 1.4 specific users manual |
| 11:42:43 | Zagor | yes |
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| 11:44:05 | bobTHC | hi all! |
| 11:44:10 | LinusN | hi |
| 11:58:39 | LinusN | c |
| 11:59:33 | dwihno | I tested the build of yesterday |
| 11:59:47 | dwihno | I sense a lot of buffer underruns |
| 11:59:57 | dwihno | But reading the CVS logs, I presume those are fixed? :) |
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| 12:02:09 | LinusN | dwihno: no, they are not fixed |
| 12:02:15 | LinusN | can you help me test? |
| 12:06:11 | ken0 | good morning! |
| 12:06:21 | LinusN | morning |
| 12:06:25 | ken0 | test what? |
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| 12:07:02 | dwihno | LinusN: Surething |
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| 12:11:16 | | Part Zagor |
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| 12:12:06 | LinusN | yo Zagor_! |
| 12:12:12 | LinusN | i have found the problem |
| 12:12:14 | dwihno | LinusN: Should I download bleeding edge and test? |
| 12:12:41 | | Nick kargatron is now known as karg|away (~Vincent@ppp12-85.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 12:12:52 | LinusN | dwihno: no need...yet... |
| 12:14:11 | dwihno | LinusN: then I'll fetch some lunch. |
| 12:14:16 | | Nick dwihno is now known as dwihno|lunch0r (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
| 12:14:25 | LinusN | kebab med starka såsen på? :-) |
| 12:27:54 | Triple-X | hi |
| 12:28:22 | johnny | :-) |
| 12:29:51 | LinusN | hi |
| 12:31:33 | | Nick Triple-X is now known as Triple-z (~Mp3@212.116.168.57) |
| 12:31:58 | Triple-z | http://triple001.members.easyspace.com/pc can u tell me if its good parts? before i buy it.. |
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| 12:35:45 | LinusN | Triple-z: no comments on that, looks good to me, but I haven't studied the parts more closely though |
| 12:36:40 | Triple-z | ok |
| 12:39:00 | dwihno|lunch0r | haha |
| 12:39:02 | | Nick dwihno|lunch0r is now known as dwihno (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
| 12:39:10 | dwihno | Linus: You got a great sense of humour :) |
| 12:40:17 | dwihno | yum |
| 12:40:19 | dwihno | hot choco |
| 12:40:21 | dwihno | I love it |
| 12:40:23 | dwihno | I'm addicted |
| 12:40:26 | dwihno | Addicted to choco |
| 12:40:51 | LinusN | pretty harmless addiction... |
| 12:41:05 | dwihno | And Caramell |
| 12:41:11 | dwihno | :-) |
| 12:42:11 | dwihno | Linus Nielsen Feltzing produces 883 google results |
| 12:42:14 | dwihno | You're pretty famous |
| 12:42:34 | dwihno | Bill Gates - 1,270,000 results |
| 12:42:42 | LinusN | i'm closing in |
| 12:42:47 | dwihno | Ya :D |
| 12:43:37 | dwihno | 5 aug 2000 Linus Nielsen becomes Nielsen Feltzing |
| 12:44:27 | dwihno | The Stenberg brothers look like twins |
| 12:45:43 | LinusN | you really think so? |
| 12:46:09 | dwihno | Not really twins, but almost |
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| 12:52:36 | webmind | morning |
| 12:52:46 | LinusN | hi |
| 12:52:52 | webmind | anyone awake concearning a disection question ? |
| 12:53:24 | LinusN | sure |
| 12:53:25 | webmind | the disesction page doesnt seem to cover hd removal ? |
| 12:53:43 | LinusN | you have removed tha back plate? |
| 12:53:53 | webmind | i can |
| 12:53:55 | LinusN | with the rubber corners |
| 12:53:59 | webmind | yes |
| 12:54:09 | LinusN | so you see the hd |
| 12:54:12 | webmind | yes |
| 12:54:20 | webmind | well has a small metal plate on it.. |
| 12:54:22 | webmind | but i can see it |
| 12:54:27 | LinusN | ok |
| 12:54:38 | LinusN | it is attached only by the connector |
| 12:54:47 | webmind | uhuh |
| 12:55:02 | LinusN | so you can lift it in the other end and pull it out of the connector |
| 12:55:10 | webmind | ah k |
| 12:55:13 | LinusN | hold the unit upside down |
| 12:55:15 | webmind | wasnt sure bout that |
| 12:55:27 | LinusN | and the loose end will reveal itself |
| 12:55:56 | webmind | uhuh |
| 12:56:08 | webmind | doesnt seem to want to give in though.. |
| 12:56:24 | LinusN | it may take some force to pull out |
| 12:56:34 | LinusN | wiggle it sideways a little |
| 12:58:00 | webmind | done, cewl |
| 12:58:14 | webmind | btw u think compactflash with ide converter will work in it ? |
| 12:58:28 | dwihno | sounds reasonable |
| 12:58:39 | webmind | uhuh |
| 12:58:51 | LinusN | i think it could work |
| 12:58:55 | dwihno | but then I'm no hardware guy, I have this clumsyness which causes a lot of hardware trashings ;) |
| 12:59:10 | webmind | heh |
| 12:59:21 | dwihno | I leave the hardware part to the hardware guys |
| 12:59:22 | LinusN | webmind: remember, Do NOT forget to put back the plastic/rubber cover |
| 12:59:31 | webmind | why ? |
| 12:59:35 | webmind | it works without |
| 12:59:52 | LinusN | between the hard drive and the curquit boards |
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| 13:00:48 | webmind | aah |
| 13:00:50 | webmind | thaty one |
| 13:00:51 | webmind | yes |
| 13:00:52 | Hadaka | yo, I'm in sweden :) |
| 13:01:03 | LinusN | where? |
| 13:01:19 | LinusN | in Kiruna? |
| 13:01:25 | webmind | doesnt look like plastic or rubber |
| 13:01:34 | Hadaka | norrköping |
| 13:01:42 | LinusN | cool |
| 13:01:43 | webmind | looks like teflon, prolly some polyfibre sth |
| 13:02:00 | LinusN | Hadaka: too far to visit me then |
| 13:02:11 | LinusN | webmind: player? |
| 13:03:02 | webmind | yes |
| 13:03:06 | Hadaka | I'll be visiting linköping as well |
| 13:03:11 | LinusN | the recorders have rubber |
| 13:03:35 | LinusN | linköping is even farther away from stockholm, isn't it? |
| 13:03:36 | webmind | ah k |
| 13:04:02 | LinusN | my player has plastic like yours |
| 13:04:56 | webmind | strange look for plastic |
| 13:05:45 | Hadaka | oh, I'll be going through stockholm on sunday |
| 13:05:59 | Hadaka | but probably just heading almost directly to the boat |
| 13:06:01 | LinusN | maybe we can meet then |
| 13:06:05 | LinusN | aha |
| 13:06:07 | dwihno | Whoa, IRL meeting :D |
| 13:06:38 | Hadaka | have to be at work on monday morning so my schedule is painful |
| 13:18:54 | | Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 13:19:00 | Zagor | LinusN: what have you found? |
| 13:19:35 | LinusN | it's probably the problem that has been annoying us for a long time |
| 13:20:21 | LinusN | if the spinup time is longer than the spindown timer, the ata thread will spin down before the drive has spun up |
| 13:21:12 | LinusN | you must make sure that the ata thread does not try to spin down when the spinup is taking place |
| 13:21:22 | Zagor | LinusN: yes, me and bagder just discussed that during lunch. he will try a longer spindown timer. |
| 13:21:46 | LinusN | i inserted a sleep(3*HZ) in the spinup and managed to reproduce the error |
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| 13:21:55 | Zagor | ok, good |
| 13:22:02 | Zagor | i'll fix |
| 13:22:10 | LinusN | great |
| 13:22:17 | langhaarrocker | My mind is a bit out of sync: Have the problems with playback of bitrates >256kBit been solved? |
| 13:22:30 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: yes and no |
| 13:22:57 | LinusN | we have solved it, but at the moment we are experimenting with new buffering code, so you will see a lot of skips |
| 13:23:18 | LinusN | partly because of an ATA driver bug |
| 13:23:25 | LinusN | an old one |
| 13:24:22 | langhaarrocker | How did you initially solve the problem? |
| 13:24:52 | LinusN | i removeed unnecessary lcd updates |
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| 13:28:22 | LinusN | yp Phil! |
| 13:28:24 | LinusN | yo |
| 13:28:35 | Phil | strange net. |
| 13:29:04 | webmind | hmm, the front print of the jukebox player is just for the batteries right ? |
| 13:29:15 | LinusN | huh? |
| 13:29:47 | webmind | the one with the usb connector ? |
| 13:29:56 | LinusN | where? |
| 13:30:04 | webmind | jukebox player |
| 13:30:20 | webmind | the small print around the usb connector |
| 13:30:31 | LinusN | now i get it |
| 13:30:39 | LinusN | the circuit board? |
| 13:30:43 | webmind | yes |
| 13:30:54 | webmind | i wonder if i could recplace it to make the hd more exchangeable |
| 13:31:31 | LinusN | it's only for the batteries, and for screwing those small screws into |
| 13:31:49 | webmind | hm k |
| 13:32:30 | webmind | well if i could make it a tad smaller.. would easier to replace the hd, or maybe compactflash card |
| 13:32:50 | LinusN | try it, and report back :-) |
| 13:33:07 | webmind | ok :) |
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| 13:39:07 | | Join webmind_ [0] (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) |
| 13:39:19 | webmind_ | damn surfnet |
| 13:39:46 | | Quit webmind (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 13:42:14 | webmind_ | LinusN, those 2 battery poles on that prin, they're connected? (no multimeter here) |
| 13:42:31 | Hadaka | LinusN: ha! |
| 13:42:43 | Hadaka | LinusN: so that would be the problem happening with me as well? |
| 13:42:58 | Zagor | Hadaka: probably, yes |
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| 13:43:09 | greececdmailing | hey people.. |
| 13:43:15 | Hadaka | ok so I can increase the spindown time to 10s and it should fix it? |
| 13:43:16 | greececdmailing | can i ask something? |
| 13:43:21 | webmind_ | ofcoz |
| 13:43:25 | | Nick webmind_ is now known as webmind (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) |
| 13:43:46 | Zagor | Hadaka: I have a fix coming up in a minute |
| 13:43:49 | greececdmailing | is Archos multimedia jukebox 20 worth the money? |
| 13:43:58 | Zagor | Hadaka: no, it's not the user-settable timeout |
| 13:44:21 | Hadaka | Zagor: ok so what's the spindown setting for the harddrive I have here? :) |
| 13:44:32 | langhaarrocker | greececdmailing: you can't have rockbox on it -> no :) |
| 13:44:58 | Zagor | webmind: i believe the batteries are connected on the MP3FRONT board, not the other one |
| 13:45:03 | greececdmailing | but it plays DIVX |
| 13:45:06 | Zagor | webmind: at least for recorder |
| 13:45:22 | greececdmailing | why not? Whats wrong with it.... Tell please so i dont do a mistake an buy it |
| 13:45:30 | webmind | Zagor, thnx.. think its the case here.. |
| 13:45:31 | Zagor | Hadaka: that's for how long to spin disk after last user action. |
| 13:45:50 | Jet8810 | greece, i think its a great buy, but rockbox doesnt work on it |
| 13:45:57 | Zagor | Hadaka: if no user interaction, we spin down much faster |
| 13:45:58 | Jet8810 | so you will have to do with archos firmware |
| 13:46:28 | Zagor | greececdmailing: from what I've heard, it can't actually play divx. |
| 13:46:33 | Jet8810 | really? |
| 13:46:48 | webmind | practicly a useless print it seems.. |
| 13:46:49 | Zagor | not the divx you can grab off the net, anyway. |
| 13:46:55 | greececdmailing | well |
| 13:46:59 | Jet8810 | then why havent they been sued? |
| 13:47:01 | Hadaka | Zagor: ah! then I can increase the spindown time in any case, because it bothered me before already that it spun down too fast while I'm playing with it |
| 13:47:02 | greececdmailing | you have to convert it to 30 frps |
| 13:47:05 | Hadaka | but um |
| 13:47:07 | Jet8810 | oh |
| 13:47:16 | Jet8810 | well that kind of sucks |
| 13:47:18 | Jet8810 | but sensible |
| 13:47:23 | greececdmailing | So whats the best thing to buy from archos? |
| 13:47:35 | greececdmailing | JUKEBOX REcorder 20 or FM REcorder 20? |
| 13:47:41 | Hadaka | are the bleeding edge builds generated all the time? here in sweden, I can't compile rockbox |
| 13:47:43 | Jet8810 | on Pocket Pcs, they can only play at 30fps anyway...doubt that has more proccessing power |
| 13:47:50 | Jet8810 | Greece, depends on your needs |
| 13:48:01 | greececdmailing | what do you mean jet? |
| 13:48:02 | Zagor | http://www.archos.com/lang=en/support/tech_jbmm_sw.html |
| 13:48:03 | Jet8810 | but FM Recorder has a radio, but cannnot use the rockbox firmware |
| 13:48:04 | Bagder | greececdmailing: I recommend the plain recorder, as Rockbox runs on it, but thats me |
| 13:48:06 | webmind | greececdmailing, u wanted to play divx on the multimedia ? |
| 13:48:11 | Zagor | Hadaka: yes, every 20 minutes |
| 13:48:17 | greececdmailing | what more does rockbox has to offer? |
| 13:48:23 | webmind | opensource :) |
| 13:48:27 | greececdmailing | webmind YES! |
| 13:48:35 | Jet8810 | opensource so your requests like queuing playlists get noticed hehe |
| 13:48:37 | greececdmailing | and the video recording with the camera was a good idea |
| 13:48:52 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html |
| 13:48:58 | Bagder | go read |
| 13:48:59 | greececdmailing | badger i saw that.. |
| 13:49:00 | greececdmailing | But |
| 13:49:01 | webmind | greececdmailing, i think its possible.. can ask a friend if u want to be sure.. but afaik u need to resize the divx to the resolution of the lcd screen |
| 13:49:12 | greececdmailing | i know webmind.. |
| 13:49:15 | greececdmailing | But i wana know |
| 13:49:23 | greececdmailing | If the menu for Mp3 is sloww.. |
| 13:49:28 | greececdmailing | Like i read all over the place.. |
| 13:49:33 | greececdmailing | that it is sloww.. |
| 13:49:39 | Zagor | "Your Archos Jukebox Multimedia™ is designed to play MPEG4 Simple profile files. Unless you encode your own video files, you will have to convert your files to the format supported by the Jukebox Multimedia™." |
| 13:49:52 | webmind | the menu of the player is slower then the ipod yes.. atleast from the arcohs firmware.. |
| 13:49:57 | Bagder | greececdmailing: what model is slow you ask? |
| 13:50:03 | webmind | but.. i think the archos is more felexible |
| 13:50:05 | greececdmailing | Well.. |
| 13:50:07 | Hadaka | Zagor: ookay good, then I can put a new firmware on this box and test it later today |
| 13:50:13 | Zagor | Hadaka: yes |
| 13:50:22 | greececdmailing | what box? the multimedia? |
| 13:50:26 | Jet8810 | lol... |
| 13:50:34 | Hadaka | but that means I will lose my keylock modification :( |
| 13:50:37 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:50:37 | * | Bagder never tried a multimedia |
| 13:50:46 | greececdmailing | who has tried a multimedia? |
| 13:50:48 | webmind | greececdmailing, the mp3 player |
| 13:50:58 | webmind | greececdmailing, friend of mine has it.. me not personal |
| 13:51:07 | greececdmailing | webmind do you have icq? |
| 13:51:19 | webmind | nope |
| 13:51:25 | greececdmailing | can u ask him if he can go threw loads of mp3s with no problem |
| 13:51:36 | Jet8810 | greece |
| 13:51:38 | greececdmailing | ok lets leave multimedia as nobody here has it. |
| 13:51:40 | greececdmailing | yes het? |
| 13:51:41 | Jet8810 | I have put 12 gigs on there with no problem |
| 13:51:41 | greececdmailing | jet? |
| 13:51:43 | greececdmailing | i ment |
| 13:51:44 | webmind | greececdmailing, yes |
| 13:51:44 | Jet8810 | but that is the recorder |
| 13:51:55 | Jet8810 | i dont see why the multimedia would be different |
| 13:51:56 | Bagder | Zagor: you working on a fix for this spinup thing or? |
| 13:52:03 | Jet8810 | anywhoo, why dont you search for a review in google? |
| 13:52:08 | webmind | greececdmailing, amount of mp3s isnt the problem |
| 13:52:14 | Zagor | Bagder: yes |
| 13:52:20 | greececdmailing | jet |
| 13:52:23 | Bagder | ok, nice |
| 13:52:25 | greececdmailing | I saw LOADA OF reviews |
| 13:52:31 | webmind | greececdmailing, i'd say.. go for the multimedia and dont forget to disect it :) |
| 13:52:34 | greececdmailing | Everyone says better get an ipod |
| 13:52:40 | Jet8810 | so they should answer these questions :) |
| 13:52:41 | greececdmailing | disect it? |
| 13:52:44 | webmind | greececdmailing, depends on what u want |
| 13:53:12 | webmind | ipod is nice for mp3's nice and fast interface yes.. but the harddisk (pcmcia) is harder to find on bigger size |
| 13:53:16 | greececdmailing | I want the multimedia coz of the divx and camera..but i also want it for the mp3..But i dont want a SLOWW User interface on it |
| 13:53:23 | webmind | (there's one next to me now btw) |
| 13:53:40 | webmind | greececdmailing, i dont think the multimedia had a slow interface |
| 13:53:40 | greececdmailing | Whats better JUKEBOX RECORDER 20 OR THE FM 20? |
| 13:53:51 | webmind | atleast it was faster then the archos player |
| 13:54:00 | Hadaka | if you want a good MP3 player, just pick recorder 20 |
| 13:54:08 | Bagder | greececdmailing: better for what? radio? the FM, user interface? the rec 20 with rockbox |
| 13:54:08 | webmind | think so yes |
| 13:54:11 | Hadaka | if you absolutely _need_ FM, then get that |
| 13:54:20 | Hadaka | but you won't be able to run rockbox |
| 13:54:38 | greececdmailing | will rockbox make firmware for Multimedia or FM? |
| 13:54:40 | webmind | which would be a pre |
| 13:55:03 | greececdmailing | ? |
| 13:55:04 | Hadaka | greececdmailing: that's a FAQ |
| 13:55:19 | Hadaka | greececdmailing: and I guess the answer is no |
| 13:55:19 | greececdmailing | well? |
| 13:55:22 | greececdmailing | why not? |
| 13:55:32 | Zagor | because Archos won't tell us how they work |
| 13:55:35 | Hadaka | different processor |
| 13:55:42 | greececdmailing | bastards |
| 13:55:45 | greececdmailing | i hope they die |
| 13:55:47 | greececdmailing | hehe |
| 13:55:52 | greececdmailing | so |
| 13:56:01 | Hadaka | anyway, I'm off |
| 13:56:02 | greececdmailing | is rockbox interface faster than archos? |
| 13:56:14 | Bagder | well, they didn't tell us how the player or recorder work either ;-) |
| 13:56:37 | Bagder | greececdmailing: rockbox is superior in almost every aspect, including speed |
| 13:56:45 | greececdmailing | Badger,,, |
| 13:56:49 | greececdmailing | so when u press nexr |
| 13:56:53 | dwihno | How solid is the recording/disk writing? |
| 13:56:59 | greececdmailing | next after how long the other song starts? |
| 13:57:04 | LinusN | dwihno: pretty solid |
| 13:57:12 | Bagder | greececdmailing: depends on your disk |
| 13:57:18 | greececdmailing | what do u mean? |
| 13:57:21 | LinusN | but the ATA poweroff thing is a bit shaky still |
| 13:57:25 | dwihno | LinusN: what is left before the release of 1.5? |
| 13:57:32 | greececdmailing | ? |
| 13:57:34 | greececdmailing | badger? |
| 13:57:35 | LinusN | dwihno: a lot |
| 13:57:45 | dwihno | LinusN: bingo-lot? ;) |
| 13:57:46 | dwihno | hehe |
| 13:57:47 | Bagder | greececdmailing: it all depends on the particular conditions when you do that |
| 13:57:48 | Zagor | Bagder: can you test http://rockbox.haxx.se/test.ajz ? |
| 13:57:51 | dwihno | hahaaha *roflmao* |
| 13:57:54 | Bagder | Zagor: hang on |
| 13:58:04 | greececdmailing | tell me dude more than 1 sec? |
| 13:58:16 | greececdmailing | tell me on what i depends? |
| 13:58:20 | greececdmailing | on how full is my disk? |
| 13:58:34 | Zagor | it depends how fast your disk can spin up |
| 13:58:34 | Bagder | greececdmailing: if the disk need to spin up to get more data, then it'll take time |
| 13:58:47 | Zagor | if the file is already in memory, it takes 0 time |
| 13:58:49 | greececdmailing | whats the longest it can take? |
| 13:58:59 | greececdmailing | lets say i open a dir called pop.. |
| 13:59:01 | Zagor | ...depends in your disk |
| 13:59:09 | Zagor | takes about 2.5s for me |
| 13:59:10 | greececdmailing | and i hear a song and press next.. i will take 0 right? |
| 13:59:21 | greececdmailing | Zagor so longest is 2.5s? |
| 13:59:22 | dwihno | LinusN: I'm ready for your "fix-weird-buffer-emptyness-stuff" CVS commit ;D |
| 13:59:23 | Zagor | no, because you only have the first song in memory |
| 13:59:34 | greececdmailing | so how long 1 sec? |
| 13:59:43 | Bagder | if you hear the end of a song and press next it might be ~0 |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:01 | greececdmailing | so..longest wai will be what? |
| 14:00:03 | LinusN | dwihno: Zagor has the ball |
| 14:00:19 | Zagor | greececdmailing: it's not difficult, really: if you have the data buffered in RAM already, it takes 0 time. |
| 14:00:21 | dwihno | LinusN: mkay. Långa bollar på Bagder ? :) |
| 14:00:22 | LinusN | greececdmailing: 5-6 secs |
| 14:00:28 | greececdmailing | 6 secS!! |
| 14:00:32 | greececdmailing | thats longg.. |
| 14:00:33 | Zagor | if you need to read it from disk, it can take up to 5 seconds if you have slow disk |
| 14:00:36 | LinusN | it all depends on your hard drive |
| 14:00:51 | greececdmailing | well doesnt Archos recorder have a standar disk? |
| 14:00:55 | greececdmailing | from archos? |
| 14:00:56 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:01:00 | LinusN | yes, and they are slow |
| 14:01:10 | webmind | unless u want to port rockbox to it yourself |
| 14:01:12 | Bagder | it isn't that "standard" either |
| 14:01:12 | greececdmailing | so.. u all have the same right? |
| 14:01:13 | * | dwihno has got a non-standard unit, equipped with an IBM disk |
| 14:01:22 | webmind | re |
| 14:01:24 | Bagder | people got all sorts of disks |
| 14:01:25 | Zagor | greececdmailing: no, these are *standard* disks. not made by archos. |
| 14:01:34 | webmind | damn router died |
| 14:01:46 | greececdmailing | ok so i need to have a faster disk to get better speeds.. |
| 14:01:51 | greececdmailing | so lets say a tweak recorder |
| 14:01:55 | * | webmind has a player 20, which he hopes to mod to compactflash compatible :) |
| 14:02:18 | webmind | fasterdisk == less battery time |
| 14:02:23 | Bagder | Zagor: first read looks fine |
| 14:02:24 | greececdmailing | ugh.. |
| 14:02:30 | greececdmailing | DAMN IT. |
| 14:02:31 | dwihno | webmind: ah, compactflash = lotsa time :D |
| 14:02:34 | Zagor | greececdmailing: all disk-based mp3 players have this "problem" |
| 14:02:37 | dwihno | webmind: I didn't think of that |
| 14:02:51 | Zagor | it's a physical limitation |
| 14:02:55 | greececdmailing | @all whats the best solution for me ..as a new buyer of an archos? |
| 14:03:05 | webmind | dwihno, uhuh :)) |
| 14:03:11 | Zagor | greececdmailing: if you just want a good mp3 player, go for the Recorder20. |
| 14:03:14 | webmind | dwihno, and nice small cards of 128mb :) |
| 14:03:32 | dwihno | webmind: yeah, but opening the case to swap the flashes will be a pain in the nose |
| 14:03:33 | Zagor | greececdmailing: if you want a small and simple hd-based player, go for the ipid |
| 14:03:39 | webmind | think i'll put 1800ma batteries in it aswell |
| 14:03:48 | webmind | current ones are starting to where ouyt |
| 14:03:50 | greececdmailing | Zagor i need at least 20GB |
| 14:03:51 | dwihno | webmind: there's 2000mAh batteries too! |
| 14:03:55 | webmind | cewll |
| 14:03:56 | Bagder | Zagor: what's changed in the test version? |
| 14:04:14 | webmind | dwihno, btw, whats the best way to rechard nicad batteries ? |
| 14:04:15 | Bagder | greececdmailing: then archos is one of your better choices since replacing the disk is easy |
| 14:04:27 | webmind | wait till they're empty or recharge as alive as possible >? |
| 14:04:36 | Zagor | Bagder: i moved sleeping=false down a bit, so the sleep thread never kicks in |
| 14:04:59 | Zagor | greececdmailing: also, on the Recorder20 you have replacable batteries. you don't have that on the Recorder FM |
| 14:05:00 | dwihno | webmind: I know nothing about batteries. They are good for portable hardware gadgets, but that's all I know :) Lots of mAh is good too ;D |
| 14:05:25 | Bagder | Zagor: it seems as if the double-red led doesn't appear now |
| 14:05:26 | greececdmailing | Whats the battery life of |
| 14:05:30 | greececdmailing | RECORDER? |
| 14:05:32 | greececdmailing | 6 hours? |
| 14:05:37 | Bagder | 10+ |
| 14:05:43 | webmind | dwihno, hm k |
| 14:05:58 | greececdmailing | with 1800mah? |
| 14:05:59 | webmind | player lasts 8 hours |
| 14:06:08 | webmind | with 1600mah |
| 14:06:16 | Zagor | Bagder: excellent. i'll commit this so more people can test. |
| 14:06:27 | Bagder | yeps |
| 14:06:54 | greececdmailing | So ... rockbox has a faster interface than archos firmware? |
| 14:07:00 | Bagder | maybe Linus' <3500ms check can be removed soon as well |
| 14:07:01 | webmind | anyone here do know sth about battery recharing ? |
| 14:07:01 | Zagor | greececdmailing: yes |
| 14:07:11 | Zagor | Bagder: yes |
| 14:07:19 | Zagor | webmind: a little |
| 14:07:38 | greececdmailing | Zagor... What about fm? Dont it have rockbox? |
| 14:07:43 | greececdmailing | i mean cant i put rockbox? |
| 14:07:59 | Zagor | not yet. maybe later. |
| 14:08:00 | webmind | Zagor, differce between way of charing of lithium and nicad batteries |
| 14:08:01 | webmind | ? |
| 14:08:13 | Zagor | webmind: sorry, don't know |
| 14:08:23 | webmind | damn |
| 14:08:41 | greececdmailing | Does recorder20 have a remote? |
| 14:08:54 | Zagor | only a wired remote |
| 14:09:02 | greececdmailing | thats what i mean |
| 14:09:04 | greececdmailing | is it with it? |
| 14:09:14 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:09:15 | Zagor | no, you get it separately in a "travel kit" |
| 14:09:36 | greececdmailing | can i put another make of a headphones with remote? |
| 14:09:42 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:09:57 | greececdmailing | thaknx for your help |
| 14:10:01 | greececdmailing | Something else. |
| 14:10:07 | greececdmailing | Has anyone used a FM 20 |
| 14:10:07 | greececdmailing | ? |
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| 14:10:20 | webmind | nope |
| 14:10:21 | Zagor | noone here, i think |
| 14:10:33 | Zagor | people on the archos yahoo list say the fm reception isn't so good |
| 14:10:35 | webmind | only worked with player, multimedia and ipod |
| 14:10:47 | webmind | and playing around with player |
| 14:11:30 | greececdmailing | webmind so you worked with multimedia or not? |
| 14:12:16 | greececdmailing | ? |
| 14:12:20 | webmind | greececdmailing, just played around with it for a wile.. as in looking how it handled... |
| 14:12:25 | webmind | while ago though |
| 14:12:27 | greececdmailing | so tell me.. |
| 14:12:31 | greececdmailing | how did u see it work? |
| 14:12:35 | greececdmailing | slow? |
| 14:12:36 | greececdmailing | fine? |
| 14:13:05 | * | Bagder is skipfree... AAAAAH ;-) |
| 14:13:09 | webmind | worked fine... |
| 14:13:11 | greececdmailing | webmind? |
| 14:13:16 | webmind | faster then my player |
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| 14:13:20 | greececdmailing | define fine mate |
| 14:13:30 | greececdmailing | what do u mean faster than your player? u mean recorder 20? |
| 14:13:35 | Zagor | dwihno: I see your scroll bug now |
| 14:13:36 | webmind | greececdmailing, player 20 |
| 14:13:41 | webmind | dont have a recorder |
| 14:13:50 | greececdmailing | so it changed songs faster? |
| 14:13:53 | greececdmailing | how was the interface? |
| 14:13:58 | webmind | think its bit slower then the ipod.. but it can do more |
| 14:14:16 | webmind | changing songs istn a problem on the player either |
| 14:14:25 | greececdmailing | a bit slower? or ... its soo slow.. |
| 14:14:28 | webmind | i'm talking about the interface of for exmaple selecting songs |
| 14:14:40 | dwihno | Zagor: Pretty fishy, huh? |
| 14:14:47 | webmind | compared to the ipod the player is quite slow.. multimedia isnt |
| 14:14:48 | Zagor | dwihno: yeah |
| 14:14:49 | dwihno | Zagor: I blame it on the boogie! |
| 14:18:13 | | Part langhaarrocker |
| 14:19:15 | | Quit Moof ("Client Exiting") |
| 14:22:30 | Zagor | new BE build is up. grab it and break it! |
| 14:25:10 | webmind | btw, is rockbox faster then the std firmware ? |
| 14:25:28 | Bagder | try loading a playlist ;-) |
| 14:25:49 | webmind | ? |
| 14:25:58 | Bagder | " Playlist load speed, songs/sec" |
| 14:26:04 | Zagor | Playlist load speed, songs/sec. rockbox: 2000 - 3500 archos:15 - 20 |
| 14:26:12 | webmind | nice.. |
| 14:26:24 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html |
| 14:26:38 | Bagder | only 100 times faster in that aspect ;-) |
| 14:27:04 | karg|away | it's amazing they ever thought their method was acceptable. i mean, c'mon |
| 14:27:13 | | Nick karg|away is now known as kargatron (~Vincent@ppp12-85.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 14:27:24 | Bagder | I agree |
| 14:28:08 | | Quit greececdmailing (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 14:28:48 | webmind | uhm.. my player cant read text files... |
| 14:28:52 | LinusN | they can display remaining time of a playlist, we can't :-) |
| 14:29:02 | Bagder | true! |
| 14:29:06 | LinusN | i wonder if they do? |
| 14:29:12 | Bagder | I don't think so |
| 14:29:41 | Zagor | i don't think they can. i think they only look up the file in the dir, not actually load any of it. |
| 14:30:30 | webmind | btw, my recorder does have customable backlight timeout... |
| 14:30:32 | webmind | er |
| 14:30:33 | webmind | my player |
| 14:30:36 | Bagder | actually, the person who came up with their playlist loader code probable should get smacked ;-) |
| 14:31:34 | Bagder | webmind: you mean in the archos fw? |
| 14:32:13 | webmind | yes |
| 14:32:25 | Bagder | ok |
| 14:32:36 | Bagder | now, who volounteers to checkout the recorder version? ;-) |
| 14:33:05 | | Quit johnny (":-)") |
| 14:33:09 | * | Zagor hides |
| 14:33:25 | Bagder | I wouldn't be able to find it if I tried anyway |
| 14:33:58 | kargatron | need tests of BE recorder? is it dangerous? :) |
| 14:34:17 | Bagder | don't be a chicken, just get it! B-P |
| 14:34:18 | * | webmind curses on archos... still old firmware on their site |
| 14:34:48 | kargatron | just wondering why Zagor is hiding... :) |
| 14:35:01 | Bagder | for my volounteering q |
| 14:35:03 | webmind | zagor has a recorder |
| 14:35:22 | Zagor | kargatron: I don't want to test if the Archos firmware has a configurable backlight timeout |
| 14:36:12 | kargatron | ohh, sorry, thought this was a *real* issue... :) |
| 14:36:20 | webmind | hehe |
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| 14:40:59 | Bagder | hey alkorr |
| 14:41:14 | alkorr | hi everybody ! |
| 14:41:19 | Zagor | hey, alkorr! |
| 14:41:28 | alkorr | what is the last stable version of rockbox ? |
| 14:41:37 | Zagor | the least stable, you mean? ;) |
| 14:41:44 | alkorr | arf :) |
| 14:41:50 | Zagor | 1.4 is the last official release |
| 14:42:01 | alkorr | i want the last one without recording indeed |
| 14:42:14 | alkorr | okay you are working on 1.5 ? |
| 14:42:18 | Bagder | chicken |
| 14:42:19 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 14:42:23 | Zagor | yes we are |
| 14:42:48 | Zagor | actually we don't even keep such old daily builds... |
| 14:42:55 | kargatron | think 12/1 is stable? might be |
| 14:42:58 | kargatron | still up |
| 14:43:07 | alkorr | is its source code is present in the website ? |
| 14:43:21 | Zagor | all of them are stable, just the recent days have had some skipping problems due to the new dynamic watermark code |
| 14:43:25 | LinusN | kargatron: i think lates BE may be the most stable |
| 14:43:27 | Zagor | alkorr: not for old versions |
| 14:43:31 | kargatron | that's what i meant |
| 14:43:39 | alkorr | not for 1.4 ? |
| 14:43:40 | kargatron | ah |
| 14:43:47 | Zagor | alkorr: yes, for 1.4 but not old daily builds |
| 14:43:58 | alkorr | okay |
| 14:44:06 | Bagder | they can all be downloaded from cvs of course |
| 14:44:22 | kargatron | fwiw, i went for a walk with 1206 when |away, and got one hang, at the end of a 11 min cut - just stopped, no red light. otherwise ok |
| 14:44:31 | Zagor | kargatron: version? |
| 14:44:34 | kargatron | haven't tried BE yet |
| 14:44:37 | Zagor | oh, 1206 ok |
| 14:44:40 | kargatron | 1206 daily |
| 14:44:51 | alkorr | you don't setup the LCD recorder, do you ? |
| 14:44:59 | kargatron | poweroff=on, 0 anti-skip |
| 14:45:08 | alkorr | you rely on archos firmware to do so ? |
| 14:46:11 | Zagor | alkorr: yes |
| 14:47:01 | alkorr | oh bad, i wnat to get rid of Archos firmware... is there anything else than LCD setup ? |
| 14:47:13 | Bagder | probably |
| 14:48:02 | Zagor | since we have never ran without it, there's probably all kinds of setup stuff we don't do |
| 14:48:18 | alkorr | yeah sure |
| 14:48:36 | Bagder | bbl |
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| 14:48:38 | kargatron | how would you "get rid of" archos firmware on the ROM? |
| 14:48:42 | Zagor | what are you planning to do? burn it into flash? |
| 14:48:49 | alkorr | something like it |
| 14:49:05 | Zagor | whoa. heavy stuff! |
| 14:49:08 | alkorr | SST39 is a reprogrammable FLASH |
| 14:49:35 | alkorr | but we mustn't mess with it :/ |
| 14:50:57 | LinusN | kargatron: get the latest bleeding edge |
| 14:51:25 | dwihno | Fa la la? |
| 14:52:51 | alkorr | what I think : in the FLASH a very small firmware which looks for a /./rockbox/update.bin when existing to upgrade the second large firmware in the FLASH. At the end, the small firmware runs the second. That way, even the update messes, you can still be able to upgrade the next time with a debugged update.bin. By the way the large formware would not be ever scrambled. |
| 14:54:10 | alkorr | a large program indeed :/ because it means the small firmware must work the first time !/ |
| 14:54:29 | Zagor | alkorr: hehe, yes. prepare to resolder your flash chips :-) |
| 14:57:08 | kargatron | LinusN, 13:20? |
| 14:57:21 | kargatron | grabbed that earlier, just want to make sure latest |
| 14:57:50 | Zagor | kargatron: yup, that's the one |
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| 15:04:39 | kargatron | the WPS disappearing when USB is unplugged (when jb is paused, for example) - that a posted bug? |
| 15:04:49 | Zagor | you still get that? |
| 15:05:00 | kargatron | it dumps to folder menu, but when you hit ON to toggle, it's clear screen |
| 15:05:06 | kargatron | just got it, yes, still there |
| 15:05:16 | Zagor | ah. ok ON is not supposed to work after USB. |
| 15:05:36 | LinusN | kargatron: the mpeg thread is still confused if you insert USB while playing |
| 15:05:59 | LinusN | or paused |
| 15:06:12 | kargatron | Zagor you mean you want to disallow USB use during a pause, or rather disallow unpausing after USB? |
| 15:06:27 | kargatron | i mean, no biggie, really, not catastrophic, you can still play |
| 15:06:44 | webmind | btw anyone looked into the possibilty of mpeg audio playing ? |
| 15:07:00 | Zagor | no, I mean after USB you are essentially in the same mode as after pressing OFF during playback. |
| 15:07:14 | LinusN | webmind: we play mpeg audio, called MP3 files |
| 15:07:18 | Zagor | webmind: huh? from a mpeg video file you mean? |
| 15:07:23 | webmind | Zagor, yes |
| 15:07:47 | webmind | as far as i understand mpeg it shouldnt be that big of a problem ? |
| 15:07:52 | Zagor | kargatron: after you press OFF, you can't go back to wps with ON. it should be the same after usb |
| 15:08:14 | kargatron | ah, ok |
| 15:08:28 | LinusN | webmind: extracting the audio from the mpeg file is the problem |
| 15:08:44 | webmind | is it ? |
| 15:08:56 | LinusN | and the audio in an mpeg stream, is it really mp3? |
| 15:08:57 | webmind | why ? |
| 15:09:07 | webmind | mpeg1 i think |
| 15:09:08 | LinusN | webmind: i didn't say it was hard |
| 15:10:00 | LinusN | webmind: as long as the MAS can play the audio... |
| 15:10:37 | webmind | afaik mas support all mpeg audio right? |
| 15:10:48 | webmind | awell i'll check tuesday or sth. |
| 15:10:58 | webmind | got mas docs on my work |
| 15:11:58 | webmind | "unless someone has them at hand :)" |
| 15:12:10 | Zagor | webmind: on the web page |
| 15:12:21 | webmind | no pdf viewer here |
| 15:12:35 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:18:24 | LinusN | it can play mpeg 1 and 2, layer 2 and 3 |
| 15:18:58 | LinusN | layer 2 is broken at the moment in rockbox, to be fixed |
| 15:19:08 | * | webmind kicks himself... i was suprised it gave an hd error.. doesnt have one atm... |
| 15:19:33 | webmind | LinusN, tried just stuffing the mpeg video file to the mass chip ? |
| 15:20:30 | LinusN | webmind: of course not |
| 15:20:47 | webmind | ok |
| 15:21:04 | LinusN | the mas doesn't want any foreign data, oir it will lose sync |
| 15:21:18 | webmind | but u need to know how to get the audio from a mpeg video file ? |
| 15:21:20 | LinusN | that's why gapless playback is tricky |
| 15:21:28 | webmind | ah k |
| 15:21:38 | LinusN | webmind: that's why i said that the problem was extracting the audio |
| 15:22:02 | webmind | ok |
| 15:22:35 | webmind | i supose u didnt check mpeg docs ? |
| 15:23:01 | kargatron | LinusN, whoops, just got a red light hang. no jolts |
| 15:23:04 | LinusN | for the mpeg video file format? |
| 15:23:08 | webmind | uhuh |
| 15:23:18 | kargatron | was just after an ON wps file activation |
| 15:23:20 | LinusN | i haven't, no |
| 15:23:35 | LinusN | kargatron: talk to Zagor |
| 15:23:59 | LinusN | webmind: remember, i have never attempted to extract audio from a video file |
| 15:24:15 | kargatron | ok, Zagor, whoops... :) |
| 15:24:18 | LinusN | i haven't had the need to |
| 15:24:19 | webmind | LinusN, ok. |
| 15:24:29 | webmind | LinusN, as i here there libaries who can do it |
| 15:24:36 | Zagor | kargatron: what is an "ON file activation"??? |
| 15:24:47 | LinusN | webmind: that's good |
| 15:25:00 | kargatron | sorry, playing, press ON, play another .wps file to change display |
| 15:25:10 | kargatron | just what i did before the read hang, is all |
| 15:25:15 | LinusN | kargatron: can you repeat it? |
| 15:25:26 | kargatron | i'll try. |
| 15:25:33 | webmind | a52dec == ansi c lib, can rip audio from mpeg1 and 2 |
| 15:27:00 | kargatron | also getting blank %ig sometimes, for tracks that show genre in winamp (e.g. 'Electronic'). probably a table-lookup mismatch? |
| 15:27:29 | kargatron | [doesn't bother me, since i fall back on genre-folder org anyway] but thought i'd mention it |
| 15:28:23 | Zagor | kargatron: can you upload a failing file somewhere? |
| 15:28:36 | kargatron | .wps change didn't affect last disk read. :-/ probably a timing issue |
| 15:28:43 | kargatron | ok will do |
| 15:33:51 | Zagor | those disk hangs are really annoying |
| 15:34:58 | LinusN | Zagor: i think it's when accessing the disk in the 2 second interval between sleep and poweroff |
| 15:35:24 | Zagor | why? |
| 15:35:32 | | Quit lither (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 15:36:31 | LinusN | Zagor: maybe because "sleeping" is still set, and the last_sleep time passes before the drive has spun up |
| 15:38:08 | kargatron | Zagor, kargatron.net/mp3/General">http://kargatron.net/mp3/General Magic & Pita - Thaw Fridge.mp3 |
| 15:38:19 | kargatron | "kargatron.net/mp3/General">http://kargatron.net/mp3/General Magic & Pita - Thaw Fridge.mp3" |
| 15:38:25 | kargatron | sorry for the spaces |
| 15:38:57 | Zagor | LinusN: and..? if it's still sleeping, it won't call sleep again. |
| 15:39:06 | Zagor | that was the fix I just did |
| 15:40:09 | Zagor | sorry if I sound annoyed. I'm just frustrated :-) |
| 15:40:30 | LinusN | Zagor: it will not re-sleep, it will power off |
| 15:42:37 | Zagor | whoa! you're right. |
| 15:42:47 | Zagor | arghh |
| 15:44:13 | Zagor | kargatron: can you easily repeat this? i.e. can you test my fix? |
| 15:44:51 | Zagor | the disk hang, not the genre bug |
| 15:47:32 | Zagor | kargatron? |
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| 15:48:10 | | Quit greececdmailing (Client Quit) |
| 15:48:13 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/test.ajz |
| 15:49:01 | | Join greececdmailing [0] (~greececdm@athei53-a-090.otenet.gr) |
| 15:49:04 | * | Zagor begs |
| 15:49:08 | greececdmailing | heey people |
| 15:49:16 | Zagor | hey, welcome back :-) |
| 15:49:21 | greececdmailing | do you know any forum for Archos products? |
| 15:49:25 | greececdmailing | hey zagor |
| 15:49:36 | webmind | greececdmailing, this place? |
| 15:49:42 | LinusN | www.funmp3players.com |
| 15:49:42 | greececdmailing | hehe |
| 15:49:53 | greececdmailing | yeah i know that one linus..thankx anyway |
| 15:50:01 | LinusN | groups.yahoo.com - archosjukebox6000 |
| 15:50:15 | greececdmailing | Im still trying to find out stuff about archos multimedia |
| 15:50:53 | greececdmailing | dudes? |
| 15:50:57 | Zagor | greececdmailing: there's a yahoo forum about the multimedia too |
| 15:51:03 | greececdmailing | tell me it |
| 15:51:25 | kargatron | search from LinusN's line above |
| 15:51:44 | kargatron | Zagor, sorry |
| 15:51:46 | kargatron | was away |
| 15:51:47 | kargatron | ok |
| 15:52:21 | kargatron | i couldn't repeat the hang, so not sure how to test... |
| 15:52:51 | kargatron | the track you wanted, that was the ig bug, right? |
| 15:52:56 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:53:42 | greececdmailing | zagor? |
| 15:53:49 | greececdmailing | whats the group about multi? |
| 15:53:49 | Zagor | could you post a bug about it, and rename the file "badgenretag.mp3" or something so it's easy to remember what it is about. (I can be pretty confused sometimes...) |
| 15:53:52 | webmind | greececdmailing, what is it u want to know ? |
| 15:54:19 | Zagor | greececdmailing: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia |
| 15:54:25 | greececdmailing | webmind.. I WANT to know abou the camera that u can put on it.I want to know how many fps it can record |
| 15:54:26 | kargatron | plus, my last hang was from 13:20 BE, there's a later fix? i never've dealth with CVS compiles |
| 15:55:01 | Zagor | kargatron: no that was the lastest cvs compile. the new is a test build I uploaded to rockbox.haxx.se/test.ajz |
| 15:55:29 | webmind | greececdmailing, mail archos? :) |
| 15:55:46 | webmind | i tried calling that friend btw.. but someone else has his nr now |
| 15:56:02 | greececdmailing | fuck..thats unlucky |
| 15:58:58 | Zagor | has anyone here tested xoscope? it uses the sound card input as an oscilloscope. http://xoscope.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:00:53 | LinusN | Zagor: sounds pretty unusable to me |
| 16:00:54 | webmind | Zagor, hm, sounds interesting.. but wouldnt it be very easy to blow up your soundcard then ? |
| 16:02:41 | Zagor | beats me |
| 16:02:43 | Zagor | :) |
| 16:02:58 | Zagor | LinusN: why is that? 48 kHz not usable enough for you? |
| 16:03:53 | LinusN | well, maybe... |
| 16:04:44 | Zagor | I was thinking about buying a simple oscope, and stumbled on it. |
| 16:09:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:11:26 | greececdmailing | see ya later.. |
| 16:11:29 | greececdmailing | thankx for the group |
| 16:11:33 | greececdmailing | it seems really helpful |
| 16:11:36 | greececdmailing | bye dues |
| 16:11:39 | greececdmailing | dudes i ment |
| 16:11:39 | | Quit greececdmailing () |
| 16:11:50 | Zagor | kargatron: getting anything? |
| 16:11:54 | Zagor | Hadaka? |
| 16:12:01 | * | Zagor screams into the void |
| 16:13:38 | kargatron | as i said, reproducing the hang failed before, so testing is not exactly a science |
| 16:15:15 | Zagor | i know :) i'm just being impatient |
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| 16:16:19 | dwihno | I am impatient |
| 16:16:21 | dwihno | My scroll bug! :( |
| 16:16:26 | dwihno | Skipping sound! |
| 16:16:28 | dwihno | *sob sob* |
| 16:16:38 | dwihno | :%s/My/the/g |
| 16:16:40 | Bagder | can you believe there is a binutils version 2.13.90.0.16 |
| 16:16:45 | Zagor | lol |
| 16:16:54 | Bagder | its more like a phone number ;-) |
| 16:17:45 | Zagor | i'm committing this to cvs. seems to do no harm anyway. |
| 16:20:29 | dwihno | Yay for Z! |
| 16:20:40 | * | dwihno loves commits! :D |
| 16:20:43 | dwihno | And hot choco |
| 16:20:45 | dwihno | And Caramell |
| 16:20:52 | dwihno | but then, who doesn't? |
| 16:21:05 | * | Bagder points on logbot ;-) |
| 16:21:27 | #>> | "doesn't like commits?" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 16:21:37 | dwihno | He must be a weird fella'' |
| 16:21:38 | Bagder | no, he never gets to see them |
| 16:21:42 | Zagor | crap, i'm in trouble :) |
| 16:22:23 | dwihno | Zagor: you smuggled the MAS specs out of archos top secret labs? :) |
| 16:22:26 | Zagor | spam to rockboxshirt@haxx.se. isn't that nice... |
| 16:22:31 | Zagor | dwihno: haha |
| 16:22:38 | * | Zagor the super spy |
| 16:23:39 | Zagor | kargatron: the bad genre was totally empty, right. not just wrong genre? |
| 16:23:43 | LinusN | Zagor: how about a more explicit FSM in ata_thread? |
| 16:23:50 | kargatron | empty |
| 16:24:12 | dwihno | Zagor: Spam should be outlawed! |
| 16:24:16 | Zagor | LinusN: fsm? |
| 16:24:40 | LinusN | finite state machine |
| 16:24:50 | LinusN | you know, enum...switch() |
| 16:25:10 | LinusN | like the usb thread |
| 16:25:54 | Zagor | the usb thread has a state machine? looks to me like it's just processing requests |
| 16:26:18 | Zagor | the ata states are calculated @4Hz, so the complexity would still be there. |
| 16:26:56 | Zagor | or am I missing something? |
| 16:27:43 | Zagor | yeah, I am. now I understand what you mean. an enum instead of three boolans. ok, slap me. :-) |
| 16:28:48 | LinusN | *slap* |
| 16:28:48 | * | Bagder slaps Zagor |
| 16:30:24 | * | dwihno slaps Zagor too (just because of the group pressure) |
| 16:30:57 | * | Zagor feels refreshed |
| 16:31:06 | webmind | :) |
| 16:31:29 | Zagor | i'm not sure I should change that right now, though... |
| 16:32:33 | LinusN | no |
| 16:32:57 | dwihno | Zagor: Just do a CVS commit :D |
| 16:33:02 | dwihno | It will make you feel much better |
| 16:33:05 | Zagor | i've added enough bugs for a while |
| 16:33:28 | dwihno | I bet you was the one who added the scroll glitch :) |
| 16:33:35 | dwihno | but then, you're the code police |
| 16:33:39 | Zagor | shhh! |
| 16:33:41 | dwihno | you wouldn't allow that |
| 16:33:57 | Zagor | Bagder: your spinup times are ok now, right? |
| 16:34:03 | dwihno | maybe the archos fellows caught you in the act while stealing the MAS specs |
| 16:34:11 | dwihno | SO they made you join the dark side of the force! |
| 16:34:12 | Bagder | Zagor: yes, they seem ok |
| 16:34:31 | dwihno | So now you're adding bugs so people will return to the archos firmware |
| 16:34:38 | dwihno | Just like lost sheep who finds their way home |
| 16:35:41 | Zagor | damn, my cover is blown. Tank, I need a channel. |
| 16:36:04 | dwihno | *rofl* :-) |
| 16:36:20 | dwihno | 100i:-) |
| 16:38:35 | dwihno | What good is a phone call, mr Zagor, if you cannot speak! *mohawhawhaw* |
| 16:41:59 | | Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") |
| 16:42:26 | kargatron | only 6 months away. love the one-way direction of time... |
| 16:52:13 | dwihno | (?) |
| 16:52:31 | kargatron | matric reloaded |
| 16:52:32 | kargatron | x |
| 16:52:45 | kargatron | just being abstruse, sorry |
| 16:53:03 | kargatron | Zagor, test.ajz running for a while, no probs. but also motionless and non-interactive |
| 16:53:35 | kargatron | and as you know, absence of evidence isn't necessarily evidence of absence... :) |
| 16:53:56 | LinusN | :-) |
| 16:55:11 | Zagor | poetry |
| 16:55:40 | dwihno | Hey, I got a good slogan |
| 16:55:59 | dwihno | "Rockbox - Commit to the CVS, or ELSE!" |
| 16:56:01 | dwihno | :-) |
| 16:56:56 | y0m | (: |
| 16:58:08 | dwihno | "Rockbox - Hey, SOMEONE has got to fix Zagors bugs" |
| 16:58:38 | Zagor | "Because SOMEONE should really do SOMETHING" |
| 16:58:54 | dwihno | My game will rock :) |
| 16:58:58 | dwihno | It will rock your world! |
| 16:59:02 | LinusN | Zagor: ...even if it's totally wrong! |
| 16:59:14 | Zagor | LinusN: no, that's my job :) |
| 16:59:39 | LinusN | Rockbox - it sucks THAT much!!! |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:07 | dwihno | Rockbox - Straight from stockholm, into your ears! |
| 17:00:07 | Zagor | Rockbox - is that even legal? |
| 17:00:21 | dwihno | Hey, make audio mixing possible |
| 17:00:28 | dwihno | and then add some subliminal messages |
| 17:00:35 | dwihno | "bomb microsoft hq" |
| 17:00:41 | dwihno | "send cash to Zagro" |
| 17:00:46 | dwihno | zagreb? :) |
| 17:00:47 | Zagor | Zagreb |
| 17:01:06 | Zagor | LinusN: where is the 3500 ms limit? i'd like to test without it |
| 17:01:46 | LinusN | recalculate_watermark() in mpeg.c |
| 17:01:57 | Zagor | ok |
| 17:02:14 | LinusN | Zagor - finally Scandisk found an enemy |
| 17:05:47 | dwihno | Time to check out for the weekend |
| 17:05:52 | dwihno | Any pending CVS commits? :) |
| 17:05:59 | LinusN | always |
| 17:06:59 | dwihno | then commit! :D |
| 17:07:07 | dwihno | I want razor sharp builds! :D |
| 17:08:14 | Zagor | we could save the average spinup time to disk |
| 17:08:20 | Zagor | in settings, I mean |
| 17:09:00 | LinusN | why? |
| 17:09:15 | Zagor | just for a more optimised run directly from boot |
| 17:09:53 | Zagor | no biggie |
| 17:10:21 | dwihno | nothing newer than the 2002-12-06 15:17 commit? |
| 17:11:05 | Zagor | hehe, no. we're lazy, it's friday... |
| 17:12:33 | dwihno | Is the sound glitching fixed? |
| 17:12:43 | dwihno | buffer underrun blabla |
| 17:12:59 | dwihno | buffer-underrun-play-old-buffer :) |
| 17:13:09 | dwihno | sounds pretty funky when listening to CARAMELL |
| 17:13:12 | Zagor | at least I don't get it |
| 17:13:50 | Zagor | rockbox is using chicken watermarks now. :) lowest 14FBB for me. |
| 17:15:06 | dwihno | Rockbox - Chicken watermarks, for chicken Zagor ;) |
| 17:15:15 | * | dwihno brings Zagor some Guinness |
| 17:15:23 | * | dwihno gets himself some Heineken |
| 17:16:27 | kargatron | i just noticed - numeric volume display has disappeared. |
| 17:16:43 | kargatron | toggling that option changes nothing - always graphic |
| 17:16:54 | kargatron | dunno how old that problem is. |
| 17:17:04 | LinusN | kargatron: file a reoprt |
| 17:17:50 | kargatron | "version: Zagor's test.ajz" :) |
| 17:18:12 | dwihno | File a B5R311 report and post 10 copies to Zagor :) |
| 17:18:21 | kargatron | can someone verify before i do? |
| 17:18:29 | kargatron | corroborate, i mean |
| 17:19:25 | LinusN | works for me |
| 17:20:26 | kargatron | on 13:20 BE? |
| 17:20:27 | Zagor | doesn't work for me either |
| 17:20:49 | Zagor | kargatron: try the 15:20 BE |
| 17:20:57 | Zagor | i probably have something odd locally here |
| 17:21:15 | dwihno | I bet it is the lack of CVS commits |
| 17:22:41 | kargatron | argh, can only ROLO to 1205, which is fine. probably just test.ajz, huh? |
| 17:23:07 | kargatron | USBing inconvenient atm, will try later, won't submit before |
| 17:25:01 | Zagor | well, friday guys. see you later! |
| 17:25:04 | dwihno | Time to do like the tree, and get out of here |
| 17:25:06 | | Part Zagor |
| 17:25:11 | dwihno | Back to the future on TV3 - don't miss it :) |
| 17:25:24 | | Nick dwihno is now known as dw|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) |
| 17:28:06 | Hadaka | gods |
| 17:28:11 | Hadaka | my timing sucks |
| 17:28:18 | Hadaka | anyone know what zagor tried to tell me? :) |
| 17:28:32 | kargatron | not offhand |
| 17:34:28 | LinusN | he wanted you to try the lates BE |
| 17:34:37 | | Quit kargatron ("Suckers!") |
| 17:36:33 | Hadaka | ookay, I'll download and do that |
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| 17:47:38 | Hadaka | so, what's in this? dynamic watermark and spinup spindown fix? |
| 17:48:51 | Hadaka | wm: 60810 - 3c512 |
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| 17:49:12 | webmind | anyone here tried upgrading the mem already on the player ? |
| 17:49:37 | LinusN | Hadaka: it should not skip at all now |
| 17:49:42 | LinusN | webmind: yes |
| 17:49:46 | webmind | LinusN, and ?> |
| 17:49:55 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0769.shtml |
| 17:50:00 | webmind | yes i read it |
| 17:50:05 | webmind | wondered about someone in here |
| 17:50:11 | LinusN | no, only him |
| 17:51:04 | webmind | ok |
| 17:51:05 | Hadaka | now trying my 256kbit mp3's |
| 17:51:24 | Hadaka | 7b0c0 is the watermark now |
| 17:51:39 | LinusN | Hadaka: we use *very* generous watermarks atm |
| 17:51:54 | LinusN | Hadaka: what is your anti-skip setting? |
| 17:52:16 | Hadaka | LinusN: 0s |
| 17:52:31 | LinusN | wow, you have quite a slow disk, what's your spinup time? |
| 17:52:32 | webmind | cos i wondered if its possible without special soldering/heating equipment |
| 17:52:49 | Hadaka | 5sec - I'm using the power off now |
| 17:52:56 | Hadaka | 2 seconds without the power off |
| 17:53:01 | LinusN | webmind: you need a pretty hot, fine-pitch soldering iron |
| 17:53:22 | LinusN | i have 3.6s with poweroff |
| 17:53:27 | Hadaka | lowest is 4c512 now |
| 17:53:33 | Hadaka | what's your watermark? |
| 17:53:39 | LinusN | pretty good margin :-) |
| 17:53:45 | Hadaka | if you have 256kbit mp3's |
| 17:53:48 | webmind | LinusN, i read he used some sort of fans ? |
| 17:54:18 | LinusN | 668a0 with 320kbit/s |
| 17:54:38 | Hadaka | LinusN: i think the not-spinning-down-during-spinup fix would've already solved my problems, without the dynamic watermarking even |
| 17:54:45 | LinusN | 52080 with 256 |
| 17:54:54 | LinusN | Hadaka: yes it would have |
| 17:54:55 | Hadaka | ok |
| 17:55:22 | LinusN | but now we can fine-tune the dynamic watermarking to optimize buffer/battery usage |
| 17:55:35 | Hadaka | so right now I'm happy if this never manages to skip, even if it will draw a bit more power |
| 17:56:08 | Hadaka | but when you've done rudimentary fine-tuning, I can measure the playtime against the 12h I have before while my batteries are still good |
| 17:56:25 | LinusN | good |
| 17:57:10 | Hadaka | anyway, good work on the stuff - I never believed dynamic watermarking could come so fast, and the anti-skip buffer setting |
| 17:58:00 | Hadaka | but now I'll fall idle for a while atleast |
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| 18:05:18 | LinusN | Hadaka: we will fine-tune it so that the calculated watermark is enough for playing while still |
| 18:05:39 | LinusN | and add the anti-skip margin when jogging |
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| 18:06:52 | Hadaka | LinusN: yeah, it'd be nice if it were "just" enough at 0sec |
| 18:07:05 | LinusN | that's the plan |
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| 20:08:53 | LinusN | yo Zagor |
| 20:09:00 | Zagor | howdy cowboy |
| 20:09:16 | Zagor | any news? |
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| 20:09:23 | LinusN | not really |
| 20:09:33 | LinusN | Hadaka says it works great for him |
| 20:13:47 | Zagor | nice! |
| 20:18:27 | LinusN | maybe i can concentrate on the recording again... :-) |
| 20:20:17 | Zagor | hehe |
| 20:21:17 | LinusN | haxx.se had a peak in the web server log yesterday :-) |
| 20:21:50 | LinusN | how was your swap site? |
| 20:21:53 | Zagor | you don't say? :) |
| 20:22:13 | Zagor | busy. very busy. at times >30 concurrent processes. |
| 20:22:28 | Zagor | but it held up nicely. ~1000 new ads in the last 24 hours! |
| 20:22:57 | LinusN | and www.haxx.se is only the home page, not even the swapping site |
| 20:24:02 | Zagor | hits on wednesday: 37771 |
| 20:24:19 | Zagor | hits on thursday: 99717 :-) |
| 20:24:32 | Zagor | a smaller increase than I expected, actually. |
| 20:25:06 | LinusN | expected or feared :-) |
| 20:25:45 | Zagor | nah, performance is not a big problem |
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| 20:39:31 | Zagor | that didn't stop some loony from suggesting I make the damn thing distributed, though... |
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| 20:41:26 | Hadaka | hum |
| 20:41:40 | Zagor | Hadaka: don't say that. DON'T SAY THAT! |
| 20:41:46 | Zagor | :) |
| 20:41:52 | Hadaka | heh |
| 20:42:34 | Hadaka | the play-time counter - it survives restarts of the machine or not? |
| 20:42:58 | Zagor | it does |
| 20:44:07 | Hadaka | it probably won't know if you secretly charge it with the archos firmware without booting rockbox? :) |
| 20:44:15 | LinusN | no |
| 20:44:26 | Hadaka | well, have to remember that |
| 20:45:09 | Zagor | that's adultery! you'd never do that, would you? |
| 20:45:58 | Hadaka | I do, actually - since that's how I recharged these new batteries the first time so I want the charging to be similar |
| 20:46:51 | Zagor | ok. you can reset the runtime counter by pressing play in the viewer |
| 20:48:05 | Hadaka | it works now? goodie |
| 20:50:16 | Zagor | did it ever not work? |
| 20:50:28 | Zagor | nobody tells me anything :-) |
| 20:50:51 | Hadaka | no I meant that you didn't just know think that it could reset by pressing play and commit the change :) |
| 20:51:24 | Zagor | haha, no |
| 20:51:45 | Hadaka | (can't trust you guys on these matters, too quick to implement stuff) |
| 20:53:02 | Zagor | yeah, we've got to stop that |
| 20:55:20 | Hadaka | the dynamic watermark was quite generous, the lowest the buffer ever got was around 40000 |
| 20:56:14 | Hadaka | (with 0 s anti-skip) |
| 20:56:52 | Zagor | oy, that's high |
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| 21:04:42 | graf008 | Is the Archos Studio 10 gig player able to use your project (the one selling for around $120 right now)? |
| 21:04:51 | Hadaka | yes it is |
| 21:05:06 | graf008 | ARe there any hardware hacks to it as well? |
| 21:05:47 | Hadaka | well, you can do the hardware hacks to that |
| 21:05:57 | Hadaka | if you are referring to the line-in thingy and such |
| 21:07:00 | graf008 | yeah I guess. I noticed that there will never be ogg vorbis support. I thought I noticed a hack that added memory to the thing...would that be a way around that limitation? |
| 21:07:07 | Hadaka | no |
| 21:07:28 | Hadaka | only replacing the MAS chip (or putting in a really fast and power heavy CPU) would |
| 21:07:38 | Hadaka | and replacing the MAS would be really no trivial enterprise |
| 21:07:48 | graf008 | I see. Hmmm... |
| 21:08:13 | graf008 | So, what is the purpose of the rockbox project? |
| 21:08:25 | graf008 | Basically, what advantage does it provide? |
| 21:08:34 | Hadaka | that's a FAQ |
| 21:08:36 | kargatron | features and interface improvment |
| 21:08:37 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html |
| 21:10:24 | graf008 | thanks...trying to decide between that and an iPod |
| 21:10:52 | Zagor | the ipod is smaller, and better integrated with iTunes if you have a Mac. and that's basically it. |
| 21:11:06 | kargatron | better ergonomics, surely? |
| 21:11:19 | graf008 | yeah...and I have a Mac. |
| 21:11:34 | graf008 | And doesn't the iPod support ogg vorbis? |
| 21:11:37 | Zagor | kargatron: you think so? i've seen tons of flames about the non-sensitive iPod buttons. and the menus are horrible. |
| 21:11:37 | Hadaka | well, rockbox is really nice in ergonomics too - and the point that you can fix them yourself to be what you want is an important one |
| 21:11:54 | Zagor | graf008: no it doesn't |
| 21:12:00 | kargatron | i was thinking hardware, but haven't paid much attention |
| 21:13:06 | kargatron | never actually played with one. |
| 21:13:17 | kargatron | big cost difference, that's for sure. |
| 21:13:56 | Zagor | graf008: you need to try to figure out what is important to you. rockbox will probably never have as good iTunes integration as the iPod, for instance. |
| 21:14:28 | kargatron | rockbox will have *some* itunes integration??? :) |
| 21:14:45 | Zagor | but the Archos can record, and use 80-gig disks, and use replacable batteries and... a zillion other things |
| 21:14:56 | Zagor | kargatron: it could happen |
| 21:15:03 | graf008 | Yeah..5 gig iPod (w/ firewire, though) for $240....Archos Studio w/ 10 gig - $116 |
| 21:15:11 | kargatron | yeah, and monkeys might fly outta my butt! :) |
| 21:15:21 | kargatron | can't resist quoting austin when possible |
| 21:15:27 | Zagor | graf008: if you grab an Archos, I'd strongly suggest a Recorder model |
| 21:15:35 | graf008 | Austin? That's Wayne |
| 21:15:44 | Zagor | they have graphic display, while the studio models have charcell display |
| 21:15:48 | kargatron | what's the low price on the ajbr20 now? |
| 21:15:51 | graf008 | Yeah..that's quite a but more |
| 21:15:53 | kargatron | graf008, youre right, oops |
| 21:16:19 | graf008 | hmmm..and there is no open source deelopment on the ipod ;) |
| 21:16:29 | kargatron | surely it's around $250 now? for 20gig |
| 21:16:37 | Zagor | the bottom line is, they are both the best. but at different things. |
| 21:16:45 | graf008 | Then again, a Dell Axim 400Mhz PocketPC w/ 128 secure card is only $230 |
| 21:16:51 | graf008 | Zogor: Thanks... |
| 21:24:18 | Zagor | Hadaka: if you feel like it, it could be interesting testing the new charger code. it seems to charge better than 1.4 |
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| 21:49:18 | Hadaka | Zagor: how would I evaluate charging? |
| 21:52:27 | LinusN | drain - charge - play |
| 21:53:11 | kargatron | and repeat N times for statistical weight :) |
| 21:55:45 | LinusN | :-) |
| 21:56:00 | LinusN | we want your results by tomorrow :-) |
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| 22:42:06 | LinusN | gawd, this MAS isn't exactly easy to handle... |
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| 22:44:13 | MrSnazz | Greetings all |
| 22:44:24 | LinusN | hi |
| 22:44:43 | MrSnazz | I just won an auction on eBay for the Jukebox Recorder 20gb, with *dark gray* instead of blue trim. I was wondering if you know if there is any physical difference? |
| 22:45:03 | LinusN | no, i think it's only the color of the bumbers |
| 22:45:25 | MrSnazz | cool, thanks :) I can't wait to get it and load up rockbox :) |
| 22:45:33 | LinusN | good luck with that |
| 22:45:50 | MrSnazz | looks straightforward :) be seeing you |
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| 23:35:26 | LinusN | time to sleep, night all |
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