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| 00:01:36 | LinusN|away | ...and Greece...12 points! ...la Grece...douze points! |
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| 00:02:42 | kSADerfos | ? |
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| 00:03:01 | LinusN | hehe, you never watch the eurovision song contest? |
| 00:03:27 | e-potsi | :) Greece always sucks in eurovision :) |
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| 00:04:36 | e-potis | where's EV taking place this time? |
| 00:05:08 | LinusN | i dunno |
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| 07:36:55 | aodh | howdy, i would like to try and code a play directory feature... i've read the docs, and feature requests etc.. is it reasonable to add? |
| 07:37:18 | aodh | or if anyone could tell me what file the action for the play button is defined... |
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| 08:37:56 | dwihno | Bagder: aww, you shouldn't! :) |
| 08:38:02 | dwihno | Carry on! :) |
| 08:38:16 | * | Bagder gets up on his feet and carries on |
| 08:38:20 | dwihno | :-D |
| 08:38:34 | dwihno | Don't forget to do some CVS commits today! ;D |
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| 09:27:27 | dwihno | Yay for Zagor! :D |
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| 09:31:43 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 09:33:00 | Bagder | hey |
| 09:33:05 | dwihno | ho |
| 09:34:39 | quelsaruk | zagor on tv? |
| 09:34:56 | Bagder | last week, yes |
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| 09:37:13 | Bagder | hardeep! |
| 09:37:28 | hardeep | Bagder! |
| 09:37:53 | hardeep | hmmm, has your nick always been Bagder? I thought it was Badger... :) |
| 09:38:17 | Bagder | I've always been this dyslexic, yes ;-) |
| 09:44:09 | dwihno | Mr. Sidhu! :D Welcome! |
| 09:47:41 | hardeep | heh heh |
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| 10:11:00 | * | Bagder fires up nessus and directs it on his home machine |
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| 10:11:53 | Zagor | hehe |
| 10:12:00 | Zagor | did you use apt-get? ;) |
| 10:12:26 | Bagder | no |
| 10:12:33 | Zagor | chicken ;) |
| 10:13:06 | Bagder | nessus actually comes with an "installer" ;-) |
| 10:13:16 | Zagor | nghh |
| 10:13:37 | Bagder | basicly a good old shar thing |
| 10:13:47 | Zagor | ah |
| 10:14:01 | Bagder | 2.9MB shell script |
| 10:23:09 | Zagor | argh |
| 10:23:39 | Zagor | how many times will people ask for "whole-disk random play"? |
| 10:24:12 | quelsaruk | a lot? |
| 10:24:14 | quelsaruk | :) |
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| 10:28:48 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 10:28:57 | Zagor | no more tv |
| 10:29:10 | Topic | "http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) |
| 10:39:06 | quelsaruk | cu! |
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| 10:39:15 | Bagder | hasta la vista |
| 10:39:21 | Bagder | :-) |
| 10:39:23 | quel|out | ummm... |
| 10:39:23 | hardeep | Okay, got a pseudo-working queue function but I have a few items that i'd like some input on: |
| 10:39:28 | quel|out | that sounded like terminator |
| 10:39:36 | quel|out | :) |
| 10:39:40 | hardeep | 1. Where to store the queue list? A. Memory B. Disk |
| 10:39:44 | hardeep | I prefer B |
| 10:39:49 | Bagder | I agree |
| 10:39:52 | langhaarrocker | b |
| 10:39:54 | Bagder | people will want resume on it |
| 10:39:58 | hardeep | 2. How to handle resume? Ignore queue list? |
| 10:40:01 | hardeep | Okay, heh :) |
| 10:40:22 | hardeep | and 3. What key sequence for queueing a file? |
| 10:40:38 | Zagor | i'm about to add ON+PLAY in browser for "special actions" |
| 10:40:59 | langhaarrocker | 2.) configurable in some menu |
| 10:41:19 | Zagor | it will bring up a quick-menu with selections for queueing, add to file list, rename etc. |
| 10:41:19 | Zagor | well, I plan to anyway :-) |
| 10:41:38 | hardeep | okay, cool, that works |
| 10:42:06 | hardeep | i'll just use a temporary setting for now... maybe just the 2s play thing for now |
| 10:42:23 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:43:01 | Zagor | hmm... ON+RIGHT, ON-LEFT could be used for selecting files |
| 10:45:00 | Hadaka | ouch! |
| 10:45:07 | Zagor | ? |
| 10:45:10 | Hadaka | 7h runtime even with power-off disabled |
| 10:45:17 | Zagor | very strange |
| 10:45:34 | Zagor | power-off disabled should be no different from 1.4 |
| 10:45:35 | Hadaka | so it's either that the watermarking code is bad - or my batteries are now bad - or that something else changed between 1.4 and this that is making a big difference |
| 10:45:52 | Zagor | watermarking differences shouldn |
| 10:46:03 | Zagor | 't make 4 hours difference, methinks |
| 10:46:15 | Hadaka | yeah - the watermark was even lower than 40000 at some point, which was nice |
| 10:46:16 | Zagor | can you run another 1.4 test? |
| 10:46:38 | Zagor | sorry to be a pain :-) |
| 10:46:50 | Hadaka | yeah, I'll be doing that today |
| 10:47:17 | Hadaka | if the playtime is around 7hours with that, I'm buying new batteries again :) |
| 10:47:19 | Zagor | maybe you could try simply clocking the spinups for a few tracks with 1.4 and BE |
| 10:47:41 | langhaarrocker | maybe someone should change something so that the "Feature Comparison Chart" matches Rockbox... :) |
| 10:48:11 | Hadaka | I'll see about that at work |
| 10:48:23 | Hadaka | but it truly might be that I toasted my batteries |
| 10:49:02 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: meaning... ? |
| 10:50:51 | langhaarrocker | either swap the "battery lifetime" entry or make rockbox use less battery. Just kidding. Sorry. |
| 10:50:58 | Bagder | oh |
| 10:51:19 | Bagder | that's just propaganda ;-) |
| 10:51:23 | Zagor | to early for humor :-) |
| 10:51:29 | Zagor | too even |
| 10:51:37 | Hadaka | anyway, off to work now and more tests there |
| 10:51:52 | Zagor | Hadaka: ok. see you. |
| 10:52:34 | Zagor | how do I easily check if my perl installation has a module or not? Net::DNS in this case. |
| 10:53:10 | langhaarrocker | btw: In the FCC I read that Archos could "File Delete & Rename" - can it really rename? Never found that. |
| 10:54:11 | Zagor | someone else noted that too. it should be changed. |
| 10:55:19 | Bagder | Zagor: perl -MNet::DNS |
| 10:55:31 | Zagor | ah, thanks |
| 10:56:02 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: That someone might want to mention that the peak meter is configurable, too |
| 10:56:39 | langhaarrocker | just for increasing propaganda... |
| 10:56:50 | Zagor | :-) |
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| 11:12:26 | quelsaruk | re-hi |
| 11:12:46 | quelsaruk | .... |
| 11:14:04 | quelsaruk | if queue mode is going to be enabled, the repeat all, one, none option should be changed to playmode: normal, repeat all, repeat one and queue, no? |
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| 11:16:18 | Zagor | quelsaruk: huh? |
| 11:16:25 | quelsaruk | jajaja |
| 11:16:31 | hardeep | hmmm, currently I'm just implementing it so that if you queue a song it's the next song that gets played after the current song |
| 11:16:37 | Zagor | I want to queue a file while repeat-playing a playlist |
| 11:16:45 | Zagor | hardeep: sounds good to me |
| 11:16:51 | webmind | morning |
| 11:17:19 | quelsaruk | i had another idea of that queue option |
| 11:17:21 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 11:17:26 | quelsaruk | sorry |
| 11:17:37 | quelsaruk | to early in the morning |
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| 12:19:35 | Bagder | only one minor thing found by nessus |
| 12:19:51 | Bagder | I allow SSHv1 protocol on my ssh server |
| 12:19:55 | dwihno | is that bad? |
| 12:20:19 | Bagder | nah |
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| 12:20:22 | dwihno | I allow Caramelldansen everywhere, is that a security flaw? |
| 12:20:29 | Bagder | yes |
| 12:20:35 | Bagder | for people's sanity ;-) |
| 12:21:00 | Zagor | Bagder: what is the cvs $ tag for just version number? $Id: is so long.. |
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| 12:21:39 | Bagder | $version:$ I think |
| 12:21:57 | Bagder | or $Version:$ rather, I think differs on case |
| 12:22:01 | dwihno | Bagder: Well, just wait until the kebab dance has reached you... It's a dupe of the ketchup dance, which is a dupe of the macarena, which is a dupe of some latino-blabla |
| 12:22:23 | Bagder | I'm still recovering from a bad case of kebab song |
| 12:22:55 | dwihno | :-D |
| 12:23:14 | dwihno | Linus is still under the influence |
| 12:23:17 | Zagor | Bagder: neither works. nor $Version: $ |
| 12:23:19 | dwihno | It might be the fiiina sallad |
| 12:23:25 | Zagor | never mind |
| 12:24:03 | langhaarrocker | Maybe cvs isn't configured to expand variables for this kind of file? |
| 12:25:00 | Zagor | maybe |
| 12:26:23 | Zagor | lunch |
| 12:26:59 | langhaarrocker | what kind of files do you want to contain keywords like $Version:$ ? |
| 12:36:43 | langhaarrocker | And I think it is $Revision$ instead of $Version$ |
| 12:37:15 | Bagder | ah, might be that, yes |
| 12:37:52 | langhaarrocker | If that fails you might have to check out the CVSROOT module and edit the cvswrappers file in it. |
| 12:38:20 | Hadaka | it's $Revision$ or $Rev$ |
| 12:40:19 | Bagder | windows sure is fun |
| 12:40:32 | Bagder | a guy ran some tests on sending data on a socket |
| 12:40:45 | langhaarrocker | btw: what do you think about establishing a module in the CVSROOT/module file that contains all sources but the www? |
| 12:40:47 | Bagder | if the buffer is 12KB it is WAY slower than if the buffer is 8 or 16KB |
| 12:41:07 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: that's a very good idea |
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| 12:43:54 | Hadaka | you should write the whole module file properly |
| 12:44:06 | Hadaka | I can do it if langhaarrocker doesn't |
| 12:44:16 | langhaarrocker | I'm short of time... |
| 12:55:05 | Bagder | bbl |
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| 12:59:00 | Hadaka | I'll try to do it later today |
| 12:59:17 | langhaarrocker | :) |
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| 13:03:51 | langhaarrocker | lunch |
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| 13:57:59 | langhaarrocker | Hadaka: Do you have cvs write access? |
| 13:58:08 | langhaarrocker | (I don't) |
| 13:59:33 | Zagor | I do. neener neener :) |
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| 14:00:05 | langhaarrocker | Buaääähhhh! |
| 14:01:26 | langhaarrocker | What good would be a code police without cvs write access. |
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| 14:09:26 | Bagder | hi edx |
| 14:09:32 | edx | hi :) |
| 14:10:01 | langhaarrocker | hohoho |
| 14:10:26 | edx | Bagder: what has happened to the rockbox t-shirts? You said ppl might be able to order one... (some time ago in the mailing list)? |
| 14:10:40 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:10:44 | Bagder | well |
| 14:10:54 | Bagder | I'm trying to get Adi to send me the design |
| 14:11:03 | Bagder | hires photoshop |
| 14:11:14 | edx | ah - that means they still arent printed? |
| 14:11:15 | Bagder | no luck |
| 14:11:19 | Bagder | correct |
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| 14:12:33 | edx | do you happen to know wheather the win makefile's still working? haven't tried for a while |
| 14:12:43 | Bagder | dunno |
| 14:22:04 | edx | hey, that's incredible - the makefile's working! |
| 14:22:12 | Bagder | hehe |
| 14:22:22 | quelsaruk | cu! |
| 14:22:26 | edx | cu |
| 14:22:32 | quelsaruk | ummm |
| 14:23:37 | quelsaruk | bagder, in playlist.c there's still a string that doesn't use the lang.h :) |
| 14:23:46 | quelsaruk | i'll tell you later, after lunch |
| 14:23:47 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 14:23:56 | quelsaruk | now i'm really hungry |
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| 14:35:05 | Bagder | matsl: running nessus on your machine atm |
| 14:35:24 | Hadaka | langhaarrocker: no |
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| 15:10:11 | Bagder | hey! |
| 15:10:27 | LinusN | yo |
| 15:11:17 | webmind | hi |
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| 15:17:25 | edski | Quick question before I go spend money: Will RockBox recorder software work on Recorder 15 (or 10) as well as the 20? A store here (in Arizona, in the US) has the Recorder 15s for $229.00, and offers a $50.00 rebate after that. TIA. |
| 15:17:53 | webmind | edski, most likely yes |
| 15:18:14 | Hadaka | it should - but do note that recorder 20 is the only (afaik) one that has USB 2.0 interface, which gives faster transfer speeds |
| 15:19:25 | langhaarrocker | strange: I never heared of a jukebox 15. Only 6, 10 and 20. |
| 15:19:33 | webmind | uhuh |
| 15:20:08 | LinusN | edski: don't worry, it will work |
| 15:20:29 | LinusN | as long as you don't buy an fm recorder |
| 15:20:40 | edski | Regular USB should be sufficient. My primary use will be making live recordings and then uploading. Once in my Linux box, all the "real work" will be done there. I'll come back here tomorrow and let you know. |
| 15:20:57 | webmind | ok |
| 15:28:19 | Bagder | time to run off |
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| 15:29:37 | langhaarrocker | Is there any intersting multi track recording software for linux? |
| 15:32:44 | webmind | afaik there is |
| 15:32:50 | webmind | tried freshmeat ? |
| 15:33:04 | webmind | http://project.expr42.net/archos-player/pics.html <−− my archos atm |
| 15:39:36 | Zagor | ooh, naked! :) |
| 15:39:48 | webmind | uhuh :) |
| 15:39:59 | dwihno | I get no reply |
| 15:40:05 | dwihno | ah |
| 15:40:08 | dwihno | now I got it |
| 15:40:35 | dwihno | it looks so green! |
| 15:41:06 | webmind | uhuh |
| 15:41:13 | webmind | green batteries, green print |
| 15:41:34 | dwihno | Why is it naked? |
| 15:41:44 | dwihno | Is it to provide optimal cooling effect? :) |
| 15:42:06 | webmind | http://project.expr42.net/archos-player/ |
| 15:42:09 | webmind | lol |
| 15:53:23 | dwihno | gameboy is so evil |
| 15:54:32 | webmind | uhuh |
| 15:59:45 | dwihno | I got GBA |
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| 16:02:21 | webmind | bleh |
| 16:02:28 | webmind | dont really like that i think |
| 16:06:10 | dwihno | It's fun for playing games :) |
| 16:06:22 | dwihno | in W-I-D-E-S-C-E-R-E-E-N! :D |
| 16:10:21 | webmind | awell |
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| 16:21:22 | edx | Zagor: congrats (@ archos shipping rockbox!) |
| 16:21:56 | Zagor | yeah, it's kinda interesting |
| 16:22:32 | edx | are they giving us credits, at least? (I mean, the names are in there anyways, but do they mention it as an "external project"?) |
| 16:23:17 | LinusN | i don't think they care about names |
| 16:23:24 | Zagor | i think they are simply referring to it as an alternative firmware. |
| 16:23:29 | LinusN | why would they? |
| 16:23:55 | Zagor | i think he said something about a link to our web page |
| 16:24:11 | Zagor | but I don't think it will be anything more than that |
| 16:24:50 | edx | LinusN: not really talking about names here... I think they should mention the page on the outside of the package |
| 16:25:18 | edx | Zagor: yea, maybe we'll get even more interested ppl |
| 16:25:27 | Zagor | yup, possibly |
| 16:25:49 | langhaarrocker | Something like "rockboxable (r)" ? |
| 16:26:00 | LinusN | rockboxed |
| 16:26:25 | langhaarrocker | No, that would mean rockbox burned in :) |
| 16:27:02 | Zagor | gotta go. see you later! |
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| 16:27:22 | LinusN | "designed for Rockbox(tm)" |
| 16:27:45 | dwihno | :-) |
| 16:27:56 | dwihno | Linus has been taken too much of that starka såsen |
| 16:28:05 | dwihno | s/taken/taking/ |
| 16:28:08 | langhaarrocker | cu |
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| 17:15:47 | elinenbe | hi there |
| 17:15:55 | elinenbe | I just read the great news! |
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| 17:21:07 | elinenbe | how come no one is ever here? |
| 17:21:16 | * | edx is here |
| 17:30:05 | elinenbe | hi edx |
| 17:33:09 | edx | hi |
| 17:33:18 | edx | great news, indeed ;) |
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| 17:34:03 | elinenbe | did you check out the ONDIO manual? |
| 17:34:19 | edx | no where do I get it? |
| 17:34:39 | edx | ok .. just saw your mail |
| 17:36:05 | edx | hehe, yea nice finding ;) |
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| 17:46:03 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 17:50:18 | edx | hi |
| 17:59:36 | quelsaruk | hey! i've just read the mail about archos asking for premission to use rockbox |
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| 18:00:03 | quelsaruk | that's great |
| 18:00:04 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 18:00:13 | edx | really ;) |
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| 21:50:50 | drink_bleach104 | hello? |
| 21:51:43 | drink_bleach104 | is there anyone there? |
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| 21:53:04 | drink_bleach104 | anyone? |
| 21:53:13 | Hadaka | patience :) |
| 21:53:30 | drink_bleach104 | ah a human.... |
| 21:53:49 | drink_bleach104 | would this be a good place to ask a ? |
| 21:54:01 | Hadaka | ask, no need to ask to ask :) |
| 21:54:56 | drink_bleach104 | ok..well i wanted to know if anyone has any intention of writing/rewriting Rockbox for the RCA/Thomson Lyra player |
| 21:56:21 | drink_bleach104 | or is that asking for a bit much? |
| 21:56:38 | drink_bleach104 | dman....brb |
| 21:56:40 | Hadaka | um |
| 21:56:44 | Hadaka | probably impossible |
| 21:57:12 | Hadaka | very few players behave as nicely with regard to firmware updates as the archos player does |
| 21:57:27 | Hadaka | and have a suitable processor for which there's a good compiler |
| 21:57:34 | Hadaka | and have a firmware format which can be easily deciphered |
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| 21:57:53 | drink_bleach104 | ok, back |
| 21:58:08 | drink_bleach104 | sorry, what did u say? |
| 21:59:12 | Hadaka | um |
| 21:59:14 | Hadaka | probably impossible |
| 21:59:18 | Hadaka | very few players behave as nicely with regard to firmware updates as the archos player does |
| 21:59:21 | Hadaka | and have a suitable processor for which there's a good compiler |
| 21:59:24 | Hadaka | and have a firmware format which can be easily deciphered |
| 21:59:54 | drink_bleach104 | has ne one looked into it? |
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| 22:00:17 | Hadaka | I don't know of anyone here who would have one |
| 22:00:30 | drink_bleach104 | hmm |
| 22:00:56 | drink_bleach104 | looking at the files for the Lyra wouldnt help would it? |
| 22:01:21 | Hadaka | looking at how Lyra does firmware upgrades would help |
| 22:01:29 | drink_bleach104 | i mean, using a hexeditor its easy to change some lables |
| 22:01:33 | Hadaka | and looking at the specs of the chips inside a Lyra would help |
| 22:01:41 | Hadaka | and disassembling the Lyra would help |
| 22:01:50 | drink_bleach104 | physicly? |
| 22:01:54 | drink_bleach104 | or the software? |
| 22:01:55 | Hadaka | yes, physically |
| 22:02:10 | drink_bleach104 | i think i'll leave that to someone else |
| 22:02:29 | Hadaka | but mostly it would have to be some other project - rockbox is for archos - and unless it has the same CPU and chips, I don't think too much would be easily portable |
| 22:03:05 | drink_bleach104 | couldnt the same kinda of method that was used to disassemble the Archos be used? |
| 22:03:57 | drink_bleach104 | i mean disaamble the Archos software |
| 22:04:02 | Hadaka | err - there was no special method used to disassemble the archos |
| 22:04:06 | Hadaka | software |
| 22:04:19 | drink_bleach104 | do u know how it was done? |
| 22:04:53 | Hadaka | well what's there to be done? the firmware was code - and the processor was known |
| 22:05:05 | Hadaka | the trick was that the firmware was scrambled, but luckily it was a trivial scrambling |
| 22:05:18 | drink_bleach104 | is it not compiled? |
| 22:06:12 | Hadaka | yes, compiled code |
| 22:07:10 | drink_bleach104 | who actualy did all the work for this project? |
| 22:07:24 | LinusN | lots of people, me included |
| 22:07:29 | Hadaka | well, there's a list of people |
| 22:07:29 | LinusN | Björn started it |
| 22:07:34 | LinusN | I and Björn |
| 22:07:39 | drink_bleach104 | ok |
| 22:07:56 | Hadaka | yeah, Linus and Björn are the main developers, they can tell you all about how the archos firmware was disassembled |
| 22:07:58 | LinusN | see the CREDITS file |
| 22:08:03 | Hadaka | but I don't think there was any special trick to it |
| 22:08:17 | LinusN | no, no special tricks |
| 22:08:33 | LinusN | just a disassembler and some persistence |
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| 22:08:43 | drink_bleach104 | would ne one like to look at the lyra's software? or is rockbox enough work? |
| 22:08:54 | LinusN | and remember, we haven't disassembled much of the original firmware |
| 22:09:06 | LinusN | just a small fraction |
| 22:09:12 | Hadaka | what processor does the Lyra have? |
| 22:09:21 | Hadaka | that's the first step, anyway |
| 22:09:39 | drink_bleach104 | i dont know, i dont suppose its on their website.... |
| 22:09:49 | LinusN | hehe, i guess not |
| 22:09:55 | LinusN | you have to open it up |
| 22:10:01 | drink_bleach104 | and i dont really want to do that... |
| 22:10:34 | Hadaka | drink_bleach104: that is the very first step - if you don't know what the processor is, disassembling is near impossible |
| 22:10:36 | drink_bleach104 | what would be the step after finding out its processor? |
| 22:10:47 | drink_bleach104 | ok |
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| 22:12:14 | Hadaka | drink_bleach104: well then taking the firmware they have and seeing how edits to it affect the lyra and if you manage to determine the sections from it and if you find any code that's sane in there |
| 22:13:07 | drink_bleach104 | perhaps i should find someone more determind than me to look at this.... |
| 22:13:24 | LinusN | drink_bleach104: perhaps |
| 22:13:43 | LinusN | i mean, we had to take our players apart to find out how they worked |
| 22:14:04 | LinusN | disassembling was only a small part of the reverse enginerring work |
| 22:14:05 | drink_bleach104 | i would imaging that wasnt easy still |
| 22:14:27 | drink_bleach104 | *imagine |
| 22:14:33 | LinusN | a multimeter, oscilloscope... |
| 22:15:24 | drink_bleach104 | so how did u determin what the processor was? |
| 22:16:45 | LinusN | a friend of ours recognized the chip markings and the pin count |
| 22:16:56 | drink_bleach104 | lucky |
| 22:17:02 | LinusN | yup |
| 22:18:11 | drink_bleach104 | life would be so much easier if they just made the firmware all open source... |
| 22:19:06 | LinusN | it is a custom mask programmed 7034 |
| 22:19:18 | drink_bleach104 | what does that mean? |
| 22:19:37 | LinusN | it means that it has a 4Kbyte ROM memory in it |
| 22:19:52 | LinusN | with the boot code specially made for Archos |
| 22:20:01 | drink_bleach104 | ok.. |
| 22:21:08 | drink_bleach104 | i think i'll stick to playing around with a hexeditor |
| 22:21:53 | LinusN | drink_bleach104: can you see if it is acrambled? |
| 22:21:58 | LinusN | scrambled |
| 22:22:38 | drink_bleach104 | do u want me to send u the files? they arnt very big |
| 22:22:57 | LinusN | sure, why not? |
| 22:23:00 | drink_bleach104 | ok |
| 22:23:04 | LinusN | linus at haxx.se |
| 22:23:05 | drink_bleach104 | i'll just zip them up |
| 22:26:32 | drink_bleach104 | sending now |
| 22:27:47 | drink_bleach104 | linus: sent |
| 22:30:23 | LinusN | got it |
| 22:30:28 | drink_bleach104 | ok |
| 22:30:49 | drink_bleach104 | as far as i can tell when the unit boots up it goes for mp3.exe |
| 22:30:59 | Hadaka | .exe?? |
| 22:31:07 | drink_bleach104 | yup |
| 22:31:14 | Hadaka | could it have a x86 processor? |
| 22:31:15 | drink_bleach104 | its just 4 exe files |
| 22:31:56 | drink_bleach104 | the text in it is unicode (i think) |
| 22:33:05 | drink_bleach104 | Hadaka: would u like the files? |
| 22:33:54 | Hadaka | drink_bleach104: nah, I'm way too busy as it is |
| 22:33:59 | drink_bleach104 | ok |
| 22:34:01 | drink_bleach104 | n/p |
| 22:35:32 | drink_bleach104 | LinusN: anything of interest there? |
| 22:35:34 | Hadaka | and I bet linus will come out with some amazing discovery in five minutes :) |
| 22:35:42 | drink_bleach104 | i hope so :) |
| 22:37:11 | LinusN | hehe, i'll have to postpone it until i have bathed my little daughter, brb |
| 22:37:23 | drink_bleach104 | ok |
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| 23:03:20 | elinenbe | LinusN: you here? |
| 23:03:49 | LinusN | yup |
| 23:04:37 | elinenbe | LinusN: I was just wondering what you were currently working on Roockbox-wise... |
| 23:04:52 | drink_bleach | LinusN: those files interesting? |
| 23:04:59 | elinenbe | LinusN: I remember you were attempting a queue mode a little while back. |
| 23:05:22 | LinusN | drink_bleach: i can't immediately see what cpu it is |
| 23:05:38 | LinusN | elinenbe: hardeep is working on that |
| 23:05:46 | elinenbe | LinusN: currently? |
| 23:06:05 | elinenbe | LinusN: Do you know how his progress is coming? |
| 23:06:34 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 23:06:50 | drink_bleach | LinusN: ok, i'll leave you to have a play with them, i must be on my way now.. |
| 23:07:30 | LinusN | drink_bleach: ok |
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| 23:14:15 | Hadaka | does uisimulator use stuff from the firmware directory? I guess? |
| 23:14:26 | LinusN | yes some of it |
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| 23:16:03 | Hadaka | and the gdb directory is only used for the line-in mod as serial port? |
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| 23:21:01 | paulheu | Linus: are you in ? |
| 23:21:12 | LinusN | i'm here |
| 23:21:18 | LinusN | i have looked at your filke |
| 23:21:24 | Hadaka | and the gdb directory is only used for the line-in mod as serial port? |
| 23:21:32 | LinusN | it seems that it ran into some performance problems |
| 23:21:40 | LinusN | Hadaka: yes |
| 23:22:03 | paulheu | you mean it's because I recorded at 48? |
| 23:22:10 | LinusN | paulheu: i doubt it |
| 23:22:39 | LinusN | i mean that the rockbox firmware ran into performance problems |
| 23:22:40 | paulheu | Hmm ok but what can I do about it.. last weeks recording was done on a freshly formatted disk.. |
| 23:22:50 | paulheu | and still the same problem after about 27 minutes |
| 23:23:21 | LinusN | the file looks like if the firmware had problems keeping up in pace with the MAS |
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| 23:23:38 | LinusN | paulheu: so it's about the same amount of time? |
| 23:23:59 | paulheu | ok.. I will try at 44 until you can come up with anything.. Strange though I could easily record 80 minute MDs before.. |
| 23:24:16 | paulheu | yes .. always around 27 minutes |
| 23:24:16 | LinusN | paulheu: you mean with earlier rockbox versions? |
| 23:24:37 | paulheu | earlier versions allowed 80minute MD recording without probs.. |
| 23:24:42 | LinusN | paulheu: remember that the MD recordings were S/PDIF |
| 23:24:49 | paulheu | nope.. through line-in |
| 23:24:52 | LinusN | oh |
| 23:25:11 | LinusN | can you remember which firmware was the last that worked? |
| 23:25:31 | paulheu | around two weeks ago.. before the new ATA code |
| 23:25:33 | LinusN | Hadaka: the Lyra CPU may be a texas instruments DSP |
| 23:25:51 | LinusN | paulheu: try to disable ATA poweroff |
| 23:25:57 | paulheu | it is |
| 23:26:07 | LinusN | oh |
| 23:26:20 | Hadaka | LinusN: just a DSP? |
| 23:26:35 | LinusN | Hadaka: i dunno |
| 23:26:57 | LinusN | i haven't found out anything from the code, i read a press release on the net :-) |
| 23:27:56 | Hadaka | hehe :) |
| 23:28:05 | paulheu | on a different mode. Do you think Archos can get their hands on the MAS DSP codeset.... |
| 23:28:23 | paulheu | would be a goo dtrade ;) |
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| 23:30:30 | Hadaka | posted the CVSROOT/modules patch to the mailinglist (through gmane, so it can take a few) |
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| 23:32:02 | LinusN | paulheu: archos has no right to give it to us, even if they had it |
| 23:32:53 | paulheu | shame.. but you can always ask..;) anyway.. I hope you can come up with anything.. I will try recording at 44 next gig to see what happens.. |
| 23:34:07 | paulheu | Oh.. the funy thing is that the archos plays the file fine.. just any windows plyer/editor chokes.. |
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| 23:35:53 | LinusN | paulheu: we have asked archos for documentation, but they haven't replied |
| 23:36:19 | LinusN | paulheu: i doubt that the file plays fine, it's really corrupted |
| 23:36:38 | LinusN | must be lots of sound artifacts |
| 23:37:16 | paulheu | on the archos it plays without problems.. I can FF/REV to any place.. but as soon as I load it into WinAmp after 27 minutes it just freezes |
| 23:37:48 | paulheu | I am currently playing the file into SoundForge.. |
| 23:37:58 | LinusN | paulheu: but it must sound strange |
| 23:38:01 | paulheu | nope |
| 23:38:34 | paulheu | I have not tried the short version yet though.. but it should make no difference.. |
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| 23:41:25 | LinusN | paulheu: for what i can see in the file, it should sound like sh*t |
| 23:41:58 | paulheu | I could call you and let you hear.. I am now playing the section I uploaded at the 26 minute mark |
| 23:42:04 | paulheu | and it sounds fine |
| 23:42:26 | paulheu | I wa joking about he calling part ;) |
| 23:42:41 | LinusN | paulheu: don't trust the time information |
| 23:43:17 | LinusN | there is no VBR header |
| 23:44:21 | LinusN | i wonder what happens after 30 minutes... |
| 23:44:51 | LinusN | or is it a certain file size? |
| 23:46:22 | paulheu | I am plyingthe file in winamp now.. sound fine.. it starts to act up at wround 17:55 then quits.. I am scanning for the same fragment on the archos now |
| 23:48:03 | paulheu | On the archos I can at least scan past the point where WinAmp fails |
| 23:48:19 | paulheu | stil sounds fine |
| 23:49:32 | paulheu | at the point where winamp fails, the archos is quiet for a fraction of a second then just continues.. |
| 23:49:41 | paulheu | and sounds as before |
| 23:50:28 | LinusN | strange |
| 23:50:43 | paulheu | at least we know the archos is the better player ;) |
| 23:51:02 | LinusN | haha |
| 23:51:34 | paulheu | do you know of any tools to fix broken mp3s? |
| 23:52:22 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 23:52:25 | LinusN | vbrfix? |
| 23:52:33 | paulheu | hmm indeed ;) |
| 23:53:47 | paulheu | I'll be igratin to linux soon.. so linux tools will also be ok..;) |
| 23:55:52 | LinusN | hehe, i am writing one (that's the one i am using for my analysis now) |
| 23:56:14 | paulheu | VBRfix reports: Change in mpeg version found at frame pos 70729 |
| 23:58:34 | LinusN | yup, thatäs it |
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