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00:30:57	Hadaka	hmh, around 8-9 hours of playtime even with the rockbox.14
00:31:10	Hadaka	so I have indeed managed to screw up my batteries
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00:34:04	Zagor	i got 11h 30m today
00:34:13	Zagor	including a fair amount of usb work
00:36:01	Hadaka	yeah - I left the archos unit plugged in via USB overnight, with the travel charger attached, archos flash firmware booted, and MP3's playing over the usb link
00:36:20	Hadaka	the unit was hot as hell in the morning, and I wouldn't wonder if it had overcharged the batteries
00:36:40	Zagor	it might have, yes
00:37:29	Zagor	i don't know if batteries are design to withstand that kind of "flow", i.e. simultaneous drain and charge
00:38:13	Hadaka	so, I'm gonna wait a bit longer, get in the nice charging code you seem to have written - and then do proper testing again with that
00:38:46	MrSnazz	when the batteries are at full, will the archos firmware say so?
00:38:48	Zagor	actually it's uwes charging code, but it seems pretty nice anyway
00:38:50	MrSnazz	on the charging screen
00:38:53	Zagor	MrSnazz: yes
00:38:57	MrSnazz	cool, thanks
00:39:45	Hadaka	well "you" as in collaterally the rockbox developers :)
00:40:09	Zagor	ah, right
00:42:15		Join USAG33k [0] (~usageek@silverfai.resnet.mtu.edu)
00:42:23	USAG33k	hello all
00:42:36	Zagor	hi
00:43:43	USAG33k	so like, i got myself a recorder
00:43:51	USAG33k	a steal at 200 USD with a 40gig
00:43:58	Zagor	nice!
00:44:00	USAG33k	yeah
00:44:10	MrSnazz	wow, nice price
00:44:19	Zagor	indeed
00:44:19	USAG33k	so i throw rockbox on there (as per usual), and playlists don't want to load
00:44:27	MrSnazz	:O
00:44:31	Zagor	details, please
00:44:42	USAG33k	or they seem to, is there something i am missing?
00:44:42	USAG33k	okay
00:45:04	USAG33k	i just created my playlist as i usually do, in the root of my mounted recorder i do "ls > playlist.m3u"
00:45:15	USAG33k	and that dumps the directory listing into a plain text file
00:45:28	USAG33k	i did this on my player to get around the directory buffer limitation
00:46:01	USAG33k	tried on my recorder, the harddrive light flickers for about 2 minutes straight then a blank wps
00:46:13	Zagor	sounds like it can't find the files
00:46:26	Zagor	you sure the paths are ok?
00:46:40	USAG33k	that's why i do the ls
00:46:49	USAG33k	it will just dump the file names to text
00:46:50	Zagor	yeah I know
00:47:08	Zagor	sounds strange
00:47:10	USAG33k	yeah
00:47:12	USAG33k	i will fiddle
00:47:21	USAG33k	just wondering if everything sounded fine on your end
00:47:37	Zagor	sure does. playing a 7800 file list right now
00:47:41	USAG33k	nice
00:47:46	Hadaka	find . -maxdepth 1 -name "*.mp3" > playlist.m3u
00:47:46	USAG33k	as long as that's not the issue
00:48:10	USAG33k	i think i may have found my problem
00:48:28	USAG33k	i threw it in the .rockbox folder so i could grab it from the initial directory listing
00:48:41	USAG33k	but that is probably looking for the files within the .rockbox directory and not the root
00:48:45	Hadaka	heh
00:48:54	USAG33k	time to test my hypothesis
00:48:54	Hadaka	yes
00:49:04	Zagor	that's right
00:49:09	Hadaka	you need to either have full paths - or have the files relatively placed correctly
00:50:18	USAG33k	sounds good
00:50:35	USAG33k	can you nest playlists in other playlists??
00:50:49	USAG33k	stop me if my questions are beyond the scope of this channel
00:51:32	Hadaka	no, not yet atleast
00:52:50	USAG33k	sweet, everything is working
00:53:15	USAG33k	i shall have to check the code
00:53:46	USAG33k	i'm off to go work on some rockbox games, thanks for the help! keep up the great work!
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00:55:32	Hadaka	tack one up for satisfied "customer"
00:56:25	Zagor	hehe
00:58:33	Zagor	yay, the athlonmp optimisations in gcc-3.2 makes a substantial difference
00:58:53	Hadaka	oh?
00:59:20	Zagor	standard i386 code: 6.930u 0.430s 0:08.56 85.9%
00:59:34	Zagor	athlonmp code: 5.050u 0.410s 0:06.10 89.5%
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00:59:46	Hadaka	what are you doing?
00:59:50	Zagor	that's 25% faster!
00:59:58	Zagor	integer cpu operations, mostly
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01:00:14	Hadaka	nods, well nice still
01:00:22	Zagor	it's for my apartment swapping site. the loop that matches all the ads.
01:00:46	Zagor	lots of numeric compares
01:01:30	Hadaka	ohh, even useful!
01:01:37	Zagor	:-)
01:02:08	Hadaka	normally the advantages and disadvantages of cpu speeds hardly ever show
01:02:48	Zagor	yeah, that's why I was surprised to see such a big difference
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01:23:37	BoD[]	hellow !!
01:23:43	Zagor	hi
01:24:00	BoD[]	how are you
01:24:57	Zagor	tired :)
01:25:01	BoD[]	yeah me too
01:25:12	BoD[]	as a matter of fact
01:25:17	BoD[]	i have to go to sleep :))
01:26:27	Zagor	i always stay up too late coding..
01:26:47	BoD[]	me I stay up too late doing nothing useful :(((
01:26:58	BoD[]	like watching tv
01:27:10	Zagor	hehe
01:29:05	BoD[]	anyway :) see you ! buy
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01:34:16	myself	hello
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01:35:58	Ace_13	anyone around?
01:36:52	Zagor	yup
01:37:31	Ace_13	You have a second im having a VERY odd prob with my archos jukebox studio 10
01:37:45	Zagor	shoot
01:37:48	Ace_13	ok
01:38:18	Ace_13	It will play find but about every 1-2 songs it just stops.. the only way to fix it is 1 reboot it or 2 hit the middle of the keypad..
01:39:04	Ace_13	i find it very odd that hitting the middle keypad would fix it..
01:39:04	Zagor	which version?
01:39:07	Ace_13	any idieas?
01:39:09	Zagor	yeah
01:39:20	Ace_13	You mean Firmware?
01:39:23	Zagor	yes
01:39:33	Ace_13	well i tryed it 1.4 rockbox and with archos 1.7a
01:39:43	Zagor	same thing with both?
01:39:49	Ace_13	yep
01:40:08	Ace_13	but with arhcos firmware sometimews it will freeze
01:40:16	Ace_13	ie have to be rebooted
01:40:43	Zagor	sounds like a hardware glitch
01:41:03	Ace_13	hmm
01:41:12	myself	can someone please define 'Firmware'? maybe also put it in your faq
01:41:17	Ace_13	been on hold on archos support for 25 mins now
01:41:34	Zagor	myself: firmware is the software running on your archos
01:42:17	myself	could it be called an OS? who's incharge of it? does it have any documention?
01:43:34	Ace_13	So Zag you think its hardware related? Think I need a replacement? Also Have you ever callec archos tect support
01:43:47	Zagor	Ace_13: yes, yes, no :-)
01:44:05	Ace_13	lol
01:44:08	Zagor	myself: it's not just an operating system. it's an OS and the application rolled into one
01:44:26	Zagor	myself: I'm in charge of Rockbox. Archos is in charge of their firmware
01:45:33	Ace_13	ok zag I guess im going to email them becuase they dont like using the phone apparently
01:45:52	Zagor	ok
01:47:11	myself	zagor, is there any manual for writing modules to firmware?
01:47:56	Zagor	myself: no. download the code, read it, ask questions :-)
01:49:02	myself	yeah was afraid that's the way
01:49:25	myself	your project looks great but very time consuming to 'get into'
01:50:27	myself	ppl who just want to program the machine and not go throu rockbox modules will have a hard time
01:51:33	myself	documenting your findings could be a major step.
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02:01:05	Zagor	myself: 1: it is documented. 2: you can't program the machine without rockbox, unless you want to rewrite all the drivers again...
02:01:21	Zagor	grab the code, read the docs included
02:01:33	Zagor	don't judge before you look
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03:02:46	MrSnazz	if 'myself' doesn't even know what firmware is, he probably isn't in a position to be criticizing...
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04:25:23	BOBOrat	rockbox is great
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06:42:39	Bryant	omg
06:44:15	Bryant	i placed an order at buy.com for the jukebox, and it took forever to go through
06:44:25	Bryant	so i placed one at gateway...for a little cheaper
06:44:38	Bryant	then went back to cancel my buy.com one...except by then it had started shipping
06:45:05	MrSnazz	lol
06:45:08	MrSnazz	that sucks ;)
06:57:59	Artine	Okay, so I'm tracing the code, trying to find the stuff that displays the file listings, but I can't for the life of me find where dircache gets populated... Any pointers?
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07:24:19	adi\|home	bryant what size and how much?
07:26:31	adi\|home	artine where are you getting lost?
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07:42:42	Bryant	you there?
07:42:50	Bryant	it's the jukebox recorder 20
07:42:57	Bryant	for 234 i think
07:43:44	Bryant	then a $50 rebate
07:48:33	adi\|home	that the one you are keeping or the extra one?
07:48:39	adi\|home	is that the extra one?
07:49:34	Bryant	that is the one i will keep
07:49:34	Bryant	actually
07:49:38	Bryant	here's my ordeal
07:49:48	Bryant	i'm in college now...and i want this before i go back home
07:49:51	Bryant	i go back home next sunday
07:50:25	Bryant	now, gateway might not get it to me by then, it should ship tomorrow though
07:51:21	Bryant	so ... i'm not sure if i should try to get the buy.com one or the gateway one
07:52:31	Bryant	also...i hope that the date for the rebate is the date the order was placed...and not when it was billed/shipped
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08:08:07	adi\|home	no.. its always when it was ordered...
08:08:12	adi\|home	no worries there
08:08:18	Bryant	k good
08:08:18	Bryant	thanks
08:08:19	adi\|home	now... your saying your going to have an extra one?
08:08:26	Bryant	no
08:08:27	Bryant	hopefully not
08:08:29	Bryant	do you want one?
08:08:36	adi\|home	i have one..
08:09:05	adi\|home	but if you are willing to take a little hit on the price, (Assumeing you can't return one unit) i may be able to see if one of my coworkers wants it
08:09:16	Bryant	oh ok
08:09:23	adi\|home	or worst case...
08:09:27	adi\|home	ill buy your's...
08:09:31	adi\|home	and sell mine..
08:09:32	Bryant	i will know tomorrow whether i have that problem
08:09:34	adi\|home	mine is a bit flakey
08:09:36	Bryant	which one do you have?
08:09:42	adi\|home	recorder 20 gig
08:09:53	Bryant	that's the same one
08:09:56	adi\|home	nods
08:10:02	adi\|home	let me know.. .
08:10:14	adi\|home	going with the assumption that you do get 2
08:10:21	adi\|home	are you going to try and return one? or sell it?
08:11:03	Bryant	lol
08:11:13	Bryant	if i get 2, i would probably try to return it
08:11:19	Bryant	unless i can get more for it
08:11:36	adi\|home	well you could take a shot at ebay
08:11:44	adi\|home	but you'd prob be better off returning it
08:11:44	Bryant	eh
08:11:46	adi\|home	if you can
08:11:48	Bryant	yeah
08:11:55	Bryant	remember...i am a college student
08:12:01	Bryant	and this is a serious purchase for me
08:12:15	Bryant	but i plan on using it like...10 hours some days
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08:12:58	adi\|home	nods
08:13:04	adi\|home	i know.. thats why im offering :)
08:13:54	Bryant	k i'll keep it in mind
08:14:01	Bryant	are any of you students?
08:14:39	adi\|home	i was ;)
08:14:41	adi\|home	not any more
08:14:44	adi\|home	where do you go?
08:14:52	Bryant	university of illinois
08:14:54	Bryant	in champaign
08:14:57	Bryant	urbana-champaign
08:15:50	adi\|home	im sorry to hear that :(
08:15:54	adi\|home	nothing personal..
08:16:02	adi\|home	i have a grevance against that school
08:16:14	Bryant	oh why?
08:16:14	adi\|home	well.. most of illinois at this point :)
08:16:20	Bryant	i must hear this now
08:16:26	adi\|home	has to do with an ex-gf
08:16:32	Bryant	ohhh
08:16:35	Bryant	lol..ok...
08:16:38	Bryant	where did you go?
08:16:45	adi\|home	small school in NJ
08:16:50	adi\|home	Ramapo College
08:17:03	adi\|home	6000 students or so
08:17:42	Bryant	i was worried that you had some beef with like...UIUC's education quality or administration or something
08:18:18	adi\|home	nah
08:18:31	adi\|home	historically it has a good cs program if thats why you are there..
08:18:38	Bryant	haha no
08:18:42	adi\|home	most of it is just my own mental problems
08:18:42	Bryant	oh god no
08:18:56	Bryant	i can't stand computer science
08:19:05	adi\|home	long, draining, "let's hide the whore's body" kinda story :)
08:19:06	Bryant	i like hardware things...so ECE would be ok or EE
08:19:10	adi\|home	lol
08:19:13	adi\|home	im sorry aagain ;)
08:19:17	adi\|home	give me software
08:19:30	Bryant	you like software?
08:19:40	Bryant	i like to play with it, but not to program it
08:20:07	adi\|home	nods
08:20:16	adi\|home	i like the control of it...
08:20:23	adi\|home	same reason i loved playwrighting :)
08:20:28	Bryant	ah
08:21:07	Bryant	ok...so since i don't have the player yet
08:21:18	Bryant	perhaps you can fill me in on what's wrong with the original firmware
08:21:19	adi\|home	yeah?
08:21:23	Bryant	and why rockboxx is better
08:21:33	adi\|home	well.. i can give you my opinions
08:21:39	adi\|home	have you seen the comparison table yet?
08:22:10	Bryant	no
08:22:12	Bryant	where is this?
08:23:18	adi\|home	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/features.html
08:23:25	adi\|home	take a look at that first
08:26:04	Bryant	how much longer is the battery lifetime?
08:26:32	Bryant	wow...this list is impressive
08:28:19	Bryant	man...how do you get longer battery lifetime without being able to charge it 100% full?
08:28:20	adi\|home	:)
08:28:29	adi\|home	battery life depends on what you do and how you use the unit
08:28:35	adi\|home	the more spin ups, less the life
08:28:53	adi\|home	well. we spin up less often that archos does
08:29:01	adi\|home	we manage power differently
08:29:09	Bryant	spin up?
08:32:35	adi\|home	nods
08:32:53	adi\|home	if the unit is not doing anything and you need to do something.. it causes the drive to spin up
08:33:13	Bryant	ah...that's what i thought
08:33:13	adi\|home	ie: when a song is playing most of it is in memory, you come to the end of a song, and you spin up to read more data from the drive
08:33:44	Bryant	is that how you adjust for gapless track changes?
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08:36:02	Bagder	hi
08:37:51	Bryant	hey
08:37:56	Bryant	do you have a jukebox?
08:38:05	Bagder	I do
08:38:35	Bryant	you've had one for a while
08:38:37	Bryant	?
08:38:41	Bagder	yes
08:38:44	Bryant	i've got one in the mail...coming soon
08:38:48	Bryant	so i'm excited
08:38:56	Bagder	what model?
08:39:02	Bryant	recorder 20
08:39:08	Bagder	that's what I have
08:39:11	Bagder	it's a cool piece
08:39:12	Bryant	cool
08:39:17	Bryant	it seems to be what most you guys have
08:39:20	Bagder	yes
08:39:27	Bagder	better sound, better display etc
08:40:09	Bryant	you use rockboxx then right?
08:40:15	Bagder	oh yes
08:40:19	Bagder	since the first day it worked
08:40:29	Bryant	is the automatic volume control user set?
08:40:29	Bagder	I bought my archos because of this
08:40:31	Bryant	like...can i turn it off?
08:40:35	Bryant	ahhh
08:40:37	Bagder	yes, its an option
08:40:46	Bagder	I personally don't use it
08:40:56	Bryant	wait...so rockbox changes the entire interface?
08:41:04	Bagder	yes
08:41:08	Bryant	that's amazing
08:41:10	Bagder	it's a complete and full replacement
08:41:18	Bryant	creative doesn't allow adjustable firmware do they?
08:41:21	Bagder	nope
08:41:32	Bryant	dude...it's like a mini computer...
08:41:35	Bryant	i'm so excited
08:41:38	Bagder	well, Archos doesn't "allow" it either, but people circumvented their efforts
08:42:02	Bryant	oh i think they allow it now...on some of the retailer's sites, they advertise adjustable firmware
08:42:41	Bagder	ok
08:42:57	Bagder	you mean Archos?
08:43:04	Bagder	they do offer upgrades yes
08:43:19	Bryant	oh hmm
08:43:31	Bryant	hehe, oh well, maybe they don't support 3rd party updates
08:43:34	Bagder	but they scramble the files to make it hard to write your own
08:43:46	Bryant	i don't see why
08:43:56	Bagder	me neither
08:44:00	Bryant	like...people like to customize...and if you give them that option, it sells
08:45:53	adi\|home	ill never understand.. ppl won't buy a car that is hermetically sealed but they do it with software
08:45:57	*	adi\|home shakes his head
08:47:14	Bryant	oh well, thank god for hackers
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08:51:05	JulDwihno	Ho ho ho!
08:51:16	Bryant	"file delete and rename" NO
08:51:22	Bryant	what does this mean?
08:51:26	JulDwihno	I see a whole bunch of CVS commits! :D
08:51:39	Bagder	Bryant: that we don't have support for that added in rockbox yet
08:52:37	Bryant	you mean i can't delete a file that i've written to it?
08:52:44	adi\|home	not in rockbox no
08:52:50	adi\|home	but you can if you go to the archos firmware
08:52:58	adi\|home	or if you mount your player from your machine
08:53:04	Bagder	I always do things like that when connected to usb anyway
08:53:05	Bryant	can i switch between firmware JUSt to do that??
08:53:21	Bagder	Bryant: yes, you can always switch fm
08:53:36	Bryant	Ohhh...no i thought you meant that you simply can never delete
08:53:36	Bagder	from rockbox => whatever but not from archos to rockbox
08:53:42	adi\|home	rockbox -> archos is okay
08:53:44	adi\|home	right
08:53:44	JulDwihno	God lucia, Bagder :)
08:53:47	adi\|home	laundry.. brb
08:53:53	JulDwihno	(or whatever you say this splendid day=
08:54:02	Bagder	JulDwihno: uh, right I forgot
08:54:55	JulDwihno	Bagder: You haven't had any lucia-trains yet? :)
08:55:08	Bagder	I doubt any will come home to me ;-)
08:55:40	JulDwihno	:-(
08:55:42	JulDwihno	Poor you!
08:56:12	Bagder	but I have a bunch of lussebullar! ;-)
08:57:33	JulDwihno	:D
08:57:40	JulDwihno	That's a good start
08:57:46	*	JulDwihno is gonna check bi-dir scrolly
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09:01:45	JulDwihno	neato
09:02:31	Bryant	ok guys i gotta sleep
09:02:37	Bryant	thanks for the info
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10:39:55	hardeep	doh, no more space in rtc ram
10:42:58	LinusN	hardeep: yup
10:43:14	LinusN	bad luck
10:44:33	hardeep	i need 4 bytes to save the queue index, guess it goes on disk. :)
10:44:51	langhaarrocker	Maybe we should move other things to disk - like the peak meter settings.
10:45:18	LinusN	langhaarrocker: can we omit/shrink some peak meter settings?
10:46:01	langhaarrocker	Some bytes already have double uses
10:46:27	LinusN	ic
10:47:41	LinusN	hardeep: any progress with the queue?
10:48:25	hardeep	LinusN: almost done, only resume support left which i'm testing
10:48:34	hardeep	then some code cleanups and should be good
10:48:36	LinusN	c0000000l
10:48:50	LinusN	was it tricky?
10:48:56	hardeep	however, there is one open issue:
10:49:14	hardeep	as soon as a queued song is finished, i remove it from the queue
10:49:24	LinusN	and?
10:49:45	hardeep	so previous doesn't take you to that song
10:50:10	hardeep	i don't know if that's what a user would expect
10:50:44	LinusN	i do
10:51:14	hardeep	which way? should prev take you to the queued song or the previous song in the playlist?
10:51:37	LinusN	i see the queue as a kind of "overlayed", temporary queue
10:52:02	LinusN	"i want to play the playlist, but please play this song in between"
10:52:11	langhaarrocker	is it one song queuqe? if it's multisong I'd expect it to go back to the queued songs
10:52:32	hardeep	lanhaarrocker: it's queueing into a playlist
10:52:48	hardeep	LinusN: yeah, that's what I thought of it as well and that's how I implemented
10:52:57	LinusN	hardeep: describe the behaviour of your queue
10:53:42	hardeep	Okay, playlist contains 1 2 3 4 with song 2 currently playing
10:53:46	LinusN	I can imagine two queue modes, hardeep/linus style and the Django/Jukebox style
10:53:54	hardeep	queue 100 101 102
10:54:08	hardeep	the playlist order is now 1 2 100 101 102 3 4
10:54:30	hardeep	after song 100 finishes playing playlist order is 1 2 101 102 3 4
10:54:33	hardeep	etc.
10:54:56	LinusN	hardeep: exactly my thought
10:55:31	LinusN	Django style would be 1 2 3 4 100 101 102
10:56:05	langhaarrocker	Then I don't line Django style.
10:56:31	hardeep	that's not too difficult to do either (elinenbe also proposed this and it makes sense)... insert vs. append
10:56:42	hardeep	but the queue would still be temporary
10:56:44	langhaarrocker	Especially with a jukebox where you tend to have HUGE playlists this Django style is rather pointless
10:56:50	LinusN	I like Django style for "live" playlist building, like a "party mode"
10:56:56	JulDwihno	:D
10:56:57	JulDwihno	PARTY MODE
10:56:59	JulDwihno	:-D
10:57:36	LinusN	the original Django style always starts from scratch
10:58:05	LinusN	and Django and hardeep style combined would be a killer
10:58:05	langhaarrocker	Than that would be two different animals to me: building playlists and queueing
10:58:46	hardeep	langhaarrocker: well, django style can still be queueing
10:59:05	hardeep	langhaarrocker: but i do agree we need to distinguish queueing from playlist building
10:59:26	hardeep	essentially temporary vs. permanent
10:59:37	langhaarrocker	smells like a load of options in the menues
10:59:52	hardeep	well, it can be done through key commands while browsing
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11:00:36	hardeep	btw, if anyone's interested in what i've done so far, all changes except for resume can be found at: hardeeps.freeshell.org/queue_function_3.diff">http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/queue_function_3.diff
11:00:48	langhaarrocker	that's a superior approach.
11:00:48	langhaarrocker	I do not volunteer to write the manual :)
11:00:48	hardeep	i also put a recorder binary at: hardeeps.freeshell.org/ajbrec.ajz">http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/ajbrec.ajz
11:02:12	hardeep	hehe, i'm not much of a manual guy either. :)
11:02:36	langhaarrocker	ot: can anybody recommend a free service for setting up a mailing list?
11:04:06	hardeep	hmmmm, aren't the yahoo lists free?
11:05:04	*	langhaarrocker investiagates
11:35:55	LinusN	hardeep: how about dirplay?
11:37:09	hardeep	LinusN: i make no assumptions on how the original playlist was created so this works fine with dirplay as well as playlist files
11:38:15	LinusN	hardeep: using a file is cheating :-)
11:38:33	hardeep	hehe, it's my poor man's playlist creator!
11:38:54	LinusN	hardeep: but it's good, then you can borrow the code for real playlist generation later on
11:39:35	LinusN	but i'm not sure that the code that creates an empty playlist file works as expected
11:39:54	LinusN	fd = creat(QUEUE_FILE, 0);
11:39:54	LinusN	if (fd > 0)
11:39:54	LinusN	close(fd);
11:40:28	LinusN	oh sorry, i am silly
11:40:31	hardeep	hmmmm? it's been working quite well
11:41:18	hardeep	i've run into zero problems with the file writing code, very cool
11:41:33	LinusN	yes, it's been very much simulated and tested
11:41:50	langhaarrocker	concerning settings: now that we have file writing - are there already plans for a real config file that stores settings that aren't changed frequently?
11:41:59	LinusN	yes
11:42:19	langhaarrocker	I think that's where peak meter settings belong, too
11:43:06	hardeep	yeah, we could probably move all the settings menu settings there
11:43:45	langhaarrocker	but not something like current song position as that would require writing to a file at each shutdown.
11:46:04	LinusN	langhaarrocker: exactly
11:46:26	LinusN	i think only resume information should be stored in RTC/sector 62
11:48:40	langhaarrocker	Maybe other info, too. Like the uptime.
11:49:12	LinusN	langhaarrocker: yes, frequently, automatically updated info
11:50:32	langhaarrocker	eg. the database with the statistics which song was played how often? :)
11:50:46	LinusN	hehe
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11:52:13	langhaarrocker	btw: LinusN: How is your family. Everybody up and home for xmas?
11:53:12	LinusN	oh no
11:53:19	langhaarrocker	:(
11:53:26	LinusN	she's still in bed, and will be so for several months
11:54:00	LinusN	i have the computer in the bedroom, so i'm with her all the time
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15:02:42	Bagder	Durand called Zagor
15:03:41	langhaarrocker	who the <beep> is Durand?
15:03:52	Bagder	he's the Archos guy
15:03:57	langhaarrocker	cool
15:04:05	langhaarrocker	Did he offer money?
15:04:15	langhaarrocker	or better: info?
15:04:55	Bagder	they talked Rockbox, and more specificly if Archos should provide Rockbox for Player users and/or Recorder users etc
15:06:04	Bagder	Zagot asked about info on the FM and MM but he said he'd need to talk to his boss etc about it
15:06:23	langhaarrocker	probably no rockbox for recorder due to the lack of scms
15:06:44	Bagder	the lack of recording even more I guess
15:06:55	Bagder	at least until 2.0
15:06:56	langhaarrocker	at least it was no direct 'no'. -> No need to bury all hope.
15:09:42	Bagder	it sounded on Zagor as if Durand was open for more discussions further on too
15:10:02	langhaarrocker	Durand goes rockbox? :)
15:11:44	Bagder	that would make my day ;-)
15:14:17	JulDwihno	:D
15:14:20	JulDwihno	Durand! :D
15:14:28	JulDwihno	Yay for Durand!
15:14:44	JulDwihno	Archos has gotten a face. Durand! :D
15:15:00	JulDwihno	Called, as in telephone?
15:15:02	JulDwihno	How cool :)
15:15:08	Bagder	as in GSM :-)
15:15:11	JulDwihno	I bet he sounded like the police in "allo allo"
15:15:18	langhaarrocker	Wasn't there a band in the 80ies? Durand Durand?
15:15:24	JulDwihno	Duran duran
15:15:28	Bagder	perhaps he was one of them? ;-P
15:15:28	JulDwihno	:-)
15:15:36	JulDwihno	hehu
15:17:36	JulDwihno	DURAND HAS SPOKEN!
15:17:58	JulDwihno	Durand might be the promised man helping us finding MAS specs!
15:18:00	JulDwihno	:-D
15:18:27	langhaarrocker	I think a NDA might keep him from doing so.
15:19:52	JulDwihno	Perhaps he might encourage his BOSS to aide us
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15:20:18	langhaarrocker	I fear that programming the MAS in open source is inherently illegal
15:20:54	Bagder	yes, it might very well be so
15:22:10	langhaarrocker	Micronas is the company to persuade for that.
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15:24:17	JulDwihno	MicroN�sa
15:26:13	JulDwihno	"Hi Micronas, I am Syengan Nataasenam, producer of cool mp3 hardware. I am considering using the MAS blabla for mpeg decoding on our new and innovative super-player, but before that, we would like some tech docs to find out what we can do with the hardware" :-)
15:28:27	elinenbe	go for it!
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15:38:07	yoldTAF	yop yop
15:38:10	kreegee	hi
15:38:22	kreegee	does somebody here use cygwin?
15:38:28	yoldTAF	no sorry
15:38:31	langhaarrocker	me
15:38:55	kreegee	langhaarrocker, sound like you're speaking german, do you?
15:39:08	langhaarrocker	normalerweise ja.
15:39:08	kreegee	Administrator@KREEGEE ~/build/binutils
15:39:08	kreegee	$ ../../binutils-2.11/configure −−target=sh-elf −−prefix=/home/administrator/sh
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15:39:08	kreegee	Configuring for a i686-pc-cygwin host.
15:39:08	kreegee	Created "Makefile" in /home/Administrator/build/binutils using "mh-frag"
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15:39:08	kreegee	cc: not found
15:39:10	kreegee	*** The command 'cc -o conftest -g conftest.c' failed.
15:39:12	kreegee	*** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler.
15:39:14	kreegee	ok
15:39:20	kreegee	wie richt ich den compiler ein....
15:39:29	kreegee	oder wie setz ich die umgebungsvariabel...
15:39:35	kreegee	? ;)
15:40:13	yoldTAF	export CC=gcc
15:40:23	kreegee	k
15:40:26	yoldTAF	:)
15:40:40	Bagder	is this a full cygwin install?
15:41:01	kreegee	standart plus gcc
15:41:12	Bagder	and gcc is in your path?
15:41:15	kreegee	looks like its running (w00t)
15:41:20	Bagder	ok
15:41:25	yoldTAF	my archos is detected under linux but i can't mount the device, anyone can help me please ?
15:41:41	Bagder	yoldTAF: how do you mount it?
15:41:54	yoldTAF	mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos
15:42:14	Bagder	and what happens then?
15:42:32	yoldTAF	not a valid block device :(
15:42:54	Bagder	cat /proc/scsi/scsi
15:43:06	Bagder	does it show your Archos' HD?
15:43:30	yoldTAF	no :(
15:43:31	yoldTAF	Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
15:43:31	yoldTAF	Vendor: Model: Rev:
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15:43:31	yoldTAF	Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: ffffffff
15:43:40	yoldTAF	only scsi0 but it's my cdrom
15:43:52	Bagder	so how is it detected you say?
15:44:05	yoldTAF	Dec 13 15:44:54 biohazard kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:11.3-2, assigned address 3
15:44:05	yoldTAF	Dec 13 15:44:55 biohazard kernel: WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured
15:44:05	yoldTAF	Dec 13 15:44:55 biohazard kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 3
15:44:20	yoldTAF	i think it is
15:44:59	Bagder	and you have the necessary usb drivers loaded?
15:45:14	Bagder	what kernel? what usb? 1.1 or 2.0?
15:45:34	yoldTAF	i have compiled my kernel whithout module
15:45:57	yoldTAF	only Y to usb, premliminary, mass storage, via chipset, etc ...
15:46:04	yoldTAF	kernel 2.4.20
15:46:09	yoldTAF	usb 1.1
15:46:35	yoldTAF	in my kernel:
15:46:57	yoldTAF	scsi support, scsi disk support, scsi generic support
15:47:02	yoldTAF	usb:
15:47:04	Bagder	what Archos model is this?
15:47:15	yoldTAF	studio 20
15:47:39	Bagder	in my case, I never succeeded having them not loaded as modules
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15:47:52	Bagder	me having a rec20
15:48:07	yoldTAF	ok ;)
15:48:07	Bagder	I must connect my Archos first, then load the drivers
15:48:11	Bagder	the usb ones
15:48:22	yoldTAF	and perhaps i will put "USB Mass Storage verbose debug" in my kernel ;)
15:48:38	Bagder	there is also two different USB drivers you can select
15:48:52	Bagder	iirc
15:48:59	yoldTAF	Bagder: usb mass storage and isd-200 in module ?
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15:49:27	Bagder	do you use uhci or ohci ?
15:49:42	yoldTAF	uhci => via chipset
15:50:02	Bagder	ok
15:50:27	Bagder	right, I have those two as modules (even though I don't use isd200 since I have a rec20)
15:51:21	yoldTAF	ok, it's compiling ;)
15:51:27	yoldTAF	thx :)
15:52:01	Bagder	let's hope it works too ;-)
15:52:14	yoldTAF	yeah thanks ;)
15:52:29	yoldTAF	after that, i will change to rockbox firmware =)
15:52:44	Bagder	you do that
15:52:46	Bagder	;-)
15:53:11	yoldTAF	yeah, i bought it 10 min ago :)
15:53:18	Bagder	hehehe
15:53:22	Bagder	cool
15:57:38	yoldTAF	Bagder: ? did you install usbmgr ?
15:58:02	Bagder	no
15:58:27	yoldTAF	ok ;)
15:58:49	Bagder	but then I have a mere usb2-patched 2.4.18 :-)
15:59:58	yoldTAF	ok ;)
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16:00:03	yoldTAF	reboot time :)
16:00:07	yoldTAF	changing kernel
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16:03:16	yoldTAF	Bagder: yeah it's working :)
16:03:24	yoldTAF	thanks for the module tips ;)
16:03:29	Bagder	neato
16:04:49	Bagder	it has something to do with a timeout due to long archos response times
16:05:28	yoldTAF	what i have to do ?
16:06:02	Bagder	live with it ;-)
16:06:14	yoldTAF	lol ;)
16:06:20	yoldTAF	:)))))
16:06:57	yoldTAF	changing firmware time !! :)
16:07:27	Bagder	go go go!
16:07:31	yoldTAF	yeah :))
16:08:06	yoldTAF	to unplug the device properly, i have to unmount and rmmod the mass storage module ?
16:08:32	LinusN	rmmod isn't necessary
16:08:42	LinusN	just unmount
16:08:49	yoldTAF	ok :) thanks :)
16:08:57	yoldTAF	go go go :)
16:11:12	yoldTAF	too easy :) yeah =)
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16:11:50	Bagder	get the sources off cvs and build them, to bump up the level a bit ;-)
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16:13:34	yoldTAF	;-)
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16:15:04	kreegee	langhaarrocker ?
16:15:10	kreegee	new problem with cygwin ;)
16:15:19	kreegee	Administrator@KREEGEE ~/build/binutils
16:15:19	kreegee	$ make
16:15:19	kreegee	bash: make: command not found
16:15:21	Ctcp	Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 minutes and 23 seconds at the last flood
16:15:21	*	langhaarrocker busy
16:15:25	kreegee	oh
16:15:27	kreegee	k
16:15:33	Bagder	kreegee: then you don't have make in your path
16:15:55	LinusN\|away	kreegee: did you do a full cygwin install?
16:16:01	kreegee	no
16:16:02	kreegee	default
16:16:10	LinusN\|away	then you are out of luck
16:16:13	kreegee	ok
16:16:19	kreegee	:(
16:16:26	kreegee	how big is the whole thing?
16:16:29	LinusN\|away	you must install the build tools, make, compiler etc
16:16:41	LinusN\|away	i don't know
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16:19:20	kreegee	lets install make ;)
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16:20:20	kreegee	;)
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16:21:19	yoldTAF	kreegee: do an echo $PATH and paste here what you have ...
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16:32:03	kreegee	wb
16:32:35	yoldTAF	arg !! when i press "-" or "+" button, it press stop button too and the archos is halting :/
16:32:51	Bagder	ugh
16:34:07	yoldTAF	arrrg
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17:16:05	elinenbe	I think this whole rockbox thing is a scam.
17:16:31	webmind	elinenbe, ?
17:18:32	yoldTAF	rockbox rox ! have a nice week-end !
17:18:33	yoldTAF	++
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17:22:01	elinenbe	I don't think there is a rockbox software.
17:22:09	elinenbe	I do not believe that it exists.
17:34:33	LinusN	if anybody tells about it, we will deny it all
17:36:00	*	Bagder just finished a call from a swedish Archos user
17:36:12	Bagder	helpdesk R us
17:36:17	LinusN	a call?
17:36:19	JulDwihno	Bagder: You got a PHONE CALL?!
17:36:24	JulDwihno	This is freaky :)
17:36:29	JulDwihno	They actually figured your phone number out!
17:36:37	LinusN	we have it on the haxx web page
17:36:42	JulDwihno	"YOU LIKE ARCHOS FIRMWARE?" hoahahaha
17:36:58	Bagder	his display was all blank
17:37:04	JulDwihno	^ should be "YOU LIKE SCARY FIRMWARE?"
17:37:19	Bagder	the disk spins up, it works over usb, it switches on the backlight on keypress but nothing is shown
17:37:35	elinenbe	I am going to call you guys too.
17:37:38	JulDwihno	I bet his contrast is zero
17:37:39	elinenbe	just to talk!
17:37:42	JulDwihno	Yeah
17:38:20	adi\|work	bagder.. what was/is the problem?
17:39:06	Bagder	well, he basicly can't use it and asked me if I knew why
17:39:12	adi\|work	nods
17:39:27	JulDwihno	RockBox support line :)
17:39:31	JulDwihno	So how did he start the phone call?
17:39:42	JulDwihno	Via direkt, kan jag hj�lpa till med n�got? :)
17:42:07	Bagder	more like Archos support line, it was a pure hw issue
17:42:55	MrSnazz	alles klar, herr kommissar?
17:43:43	LinusN	Bagder: did he live in stockholm?
17:44:16	Bagder	no idea, he called from a mobile
17:45:29	JulDwihno	Secret phone number and all?
17:45:44	Bagder	no, but I don't know from where since it was mobile
17:45:52	Bagder	and I didn't ask
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17:49:56	Bagder	I'm off too
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18:05:01	elinenbe	hasv a good weekend boys
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20:05:51	quelsaruk	hi!
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20:06:59	yold	hi !
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20:16:52	quelsaruk	hi linus
20:18:11	yold	i have timeout under linux when writing files on my archos :/ have seen that before ?
20:19:45	quelsaruk	LinusN: who is in charge of the windows makefile?
20:21:15	MrSnazz	whoa
20:21:21	MrSnazz	oops, wrong channel :)
20:22:57	quelsaruk	:)
20:23:44	LinusN	quelsaruk: nobody is...
20:23:57	LinusN	yold: timeout?
20:25:00	yold	it copy files extremely fast ans without any reason the transfert slow down down down down :(
20:25:05	yold	kernel 2.4.20
20:25:41	quelsaruk	i've found a program called tmake that works on linux and windows and uses makefiles, maybe that way it's easier for windows users to build their own rockbox firmware
20:25:47	quelsaruk	just an idea...
20:25:58	yold	perhaps i have to active "Long timeout for slow-responding devices"
20:26:57	LinusN	yold: i have heard about that, but I haven't experienced it myself
20:27:17	LinusN	quelsaruk: 'make' isn't the main problem
20:27:38	LinusN	the problem is that we need Perl and Bash
20:27:51	quelsaruk	ummm.. i forgot that
20:27:53	quelsaruk	:)
20:28:12	quelsaruk	so i think cygwin is the best solution
20:29:53	yold	LinusN: has the pb been resolved ?
20:35:43	LinusN	yold: i don't know
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20:35:59	LinusN	it's a linux kernel driver issue
20:36:17	LinusN	and i use the recorder (with other weird problems)
20:36:21	LinusN	usn2.0
20:36:24	LinusN	usb2.0
20:40:23	yold	ok thanks ;)
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21:28:16	quelsaruk	time to drink some beers :)
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