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| 00:05:48 | breaker1 | I'll add start charging if battery level < BATTERY_LEVEL_DANGEROUS in powermgmt.c power_init. Is this ok? |
| 00:06:47 | breaker1 | Arr. This code would never be called.. The charger is not connected. |
| 00:07:18 | breaker1 | General question: Is it possible to have a startup of rockbox and the charger is connected? I'd say no. |
| 00:09:10 | LinusN | i'd say yes |
| 00:09:39 | LinusN | i start rockbox with the charger connected because i want to charge with rockbox explicitly |
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| 00:14:38 | breaker1 | That would be a special case. You must press "ON" and then immediately plug in the charger. OK, if you know that rockbox works this way, it's no problem. |
| 00:15:27 | breaker1 | If you don't know, you plug in the charger before starting the device (and Archos firmware starts) or you already started the AJB (with rockbox) and the connect the charger. |
| 00:16:50 | LinusN | breaker1: no |
| 00:16:56 | breaker1 | Why? |
| 00:17:17 | LinusN | i plug in the charger, archos firmware starts |
| 00:17:24 | breaker1 | ok. Then? |
| 00:17:26 | LinusN | then i hold ON until rockbox starts |
| 00:17:32 | breaker1 | Hm? |
| 00:17:41 | breaker1 | How does that work? |
| 00:17:44 | LinusN | you hold ON for a few seconds |
| 00:17:57 | breaker1 | Cool feature. Since when this is implemented?? |
| 00:17:59 | LinusN | the archos charger code reads the keys |
| 00:18:07 | LinusN | breaker1: ask archos |
| 00:18:17 | breaker1 | Aha. I didn't know that this works. |
| 00:18:31 | pwagland | Hi all, sorry for the (probably) obvious question... but does the rockbox firmware work on the archos multimedia? The web page implies that it doesn't, or at the very least that it has not been tested. Can anyone elaborate for me? |
| 00:18:46 | breaker1 | pwagland: No. |
| 00:19:16 | breaker1 | Other hardware inside the multimedia. |
| 00:19:32 | pwagland | breaker1: Aah. Thanks, this is what I was afraid of.... |
| 00:20:51 | breaker1 | LinusN: But when Archos firmware already runs (and charged the batteries at least one minute), it should be enough for running rockbox one minute till the charger goes on, or not? |
| 00:22:51 | LinusN | breaker1: yes, but the user doesn't know |
| 00:22:59 | breaker1 | :) |
| 00:23:21 | LinusN | if he starts playing music immediately, the unit will behave erratically |
| 00:23:27 | LinusN | i've seen it |
| 00:23:35 | breaker1 | I tested pressing ON when Archos firmware runs (and charged my batteries): It doen't load rockbox! |
| 00:23:45 | breaker1 | Recorder 20, 1.28. |
| 00:24:08 | LinusN | breaker1: not the firmware, the charger code that starts when you plug in the charger when the unit is off |
| 00:24:12 | breaker1 | The drive led (red) flashes and then it only starts loading the Archos firmware again! |
| 00:24:21 | LinusN | breaker1: hold it longer |
| 00:24:29 | breaker1 | Oh, that's other code? OK. ;) |
| 00:24:37 | breaker1 | How long? |
| 00:25:30 | LinusN | until you are sure that it will start rockbox :-) |
| 00:25:54 | breaker1 | Oh, wow. That's amusing. I think a thing for the best tip of the year or something like that. :) |
| 00:26:00 | LinusN | :-) |
| 00:26:36 | breaker1 | Do you have an idea how many people know this? I think < 5 of the rockboxers.. |
| 00:27:24 | LinusN | breaker1: lots of people do, actually |
| 00:27:33 | LinusN | as far as i know |
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| 00:27:51 | breaker1 | Really? I think it's a good tip for the faq. |
| 00:29:53 | breaker1 | Should I add it to the faq? Or where's the best place in the docs? |
| 00:30:03 | LinusN | put it in the faq |
| 00:30:19 | breaker1 | OK. I'll do so later. |
| 00:30:31 | breaker1 | Back again to the "start charging immediately". |
| 00:30:31 | LinusN | "i can't start rockbox when the charger is connected" |
| 00:30:42 | breaker1 | (OK) |
| 00:30:44 | wtrt | anyone know if r2l is implemented in the current cvs? |
| 00:31:08 | breaker1 | r2l? I know r2d2. |
| 00:31:14 | LinusN | what is r2l |
| 00:31:43 | wtrt | rigth to left text, for hebrew/arabic |
| 00:31:49 | wtrt | right |
| 00:31:59 | LinusN | aha, no it isn't |
| 00:35:03 | wtrt | hhmm |
| 00:40:21 | breaker1 | LinusN: What exactly does happen when the charger is connected and the user starts rockbox? What's the problem? |
| 00:41:09 | LinusN | it will not start charging until after at least 1 minute |
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| 00:41:52 | LinusN | that means i have to charge using archos firmware for at least a few minutes before i can start rockbox, or it will die on me |
| 00:41:55 | diddystar5 | hey Linus |
| 00:43:05 | LinusN | hi |
| 00:44:35 | diddystar5 | Linus: i ain't no c developer, but, if i compile the files under UISIMULATOR, will the simulator work? |
| 00:45:19 | LinusN | read docs/README |
| 00:45:32 | breaker1 | Is it ok if I add start charging in power_init if battery level < BATTERY_LEVEL_DANGEROUS? |
| 00:45:59 | breaker1 | It should be enough not to crash anymore with "empty" batteries. |
| 00:46:01 | diddystar5 | o thanks linus |
| 00:46:21 | LinusN | breaker1: that would be just fine |
| 00:46:33 | LinusN | just so it survives the first minute |
| 00:46:48 | breaker1 | In normal cases, I think it's better to wait one minute, because we have better voltage values then -> better max duration value and so on. |
| 00:47:14 | breaker1 | (normal case: battery level => BATTERY_LEVEL_DANGEROUS) |
| 00:47:53 | diddystar5 | Quote from readme uisimu:For the Win32 simulator: |
| 00:47:55 | diddystar5 | No info yet. |
| 00:48:44 | LinusN | diddystar5: i have never built the win32 sim |
| 00:48:50 | LinusN | only the linux sim |
| 00:49:15 | diddystar5 | ok, ill try to expirement with it |
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| 01:02:45 | pwagland | breaker1: regarding earlier question (about the Archos multimedia) how different is the hardware? I am thinking of buying one, and would think it cool if this firmware could be made to work with it. Is it totally different, or just different enough that rockbox does not work? |
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| 01:03:19 | Hadaka | the cpu is different AFAIK |
| 01:03:31 | Hadaka | which means a world of difference |
| 01:03:34 | LinusN | pwagland: it's a totally different beast |
| 01:03:53 | Hadaka | and that's all assuming that a custom firmware is even possible on that thing |
| 01:04:02 | Hadaka | (that they haven't done any heavier scrambling there) |
| 01:04:08 | LinusN | i believe it has an ARM CPU and a Texas Instruments DSP |
| 01:04:33 | LinusN | and i'm not sure I want to develop a totally new firmware for it |
| 01:04:54 | LinusN | we would probably have to implement video codecs and stuff |
| 01:05:54 | pwagland | thanks |
| 01:06:10 | pwagland | Disapointing though... :-) |
| 01:06:48 | pwagland | To be honest, for me I don't care about the video... I really want it for the USB 2.0, and the compact flash reader. |
| 01:07:17 | pwagland | Sound (and no I'm not mentioning ogg ;-)) would be a real bonus as well... |
| 01:07:38 | LinusN | pwagland: the thing is that Rockbox exists because we felt that the firmware sucked, and we thought it would be fun to hack the archos |
| 01:07:48 | LinusN | it turned out to be a fun experience |
| 01:08:14 | LinusN | doing it all over again won't be as much fun as the first time |
| 01:08:24 | LinusN | and i don't even own a Multimedia |
| 01:08:26 | pwagland | that's a fair comment :-) |
| 01:09:13 | LinusN | pwagland: i think the mp3 decoding is done by a MAS chip in the multimedia too |
| 01:09:49 | LinusN | so i don't know what the DSP is capable of |
| 01:10:18 | LinusN | if it can generate audio, the Ogg may be possible |
| 01:10:35 | LinusN | the data sheets to the DSP are not publically available |
| 01:14:32 | Hadaka | pwagland: you do know that recorder 20 has USB 2.0 (no compact flash ofcourse) |
| 01:15:48 | breaker1 | LinusN: I added the turn-on-charging-immediately. But I make one charging cycle before I add the code to cvs "tomorrow". |
| 01:16:39 | breaker1 | Did you add the RTC/config block stuff? |
| 01:17:59 | LinusN | not yet, coming up |
| 01:19:03 | breaker1 | Do you add it in the next minutes (so I can test it before I go to bed)? |
| 01:20:34 | LinusN | sure, hang on |
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| 01:24:17 | miah | hey guys |
| 01:25:39 | miah | just got my gf a recorder 20 for christmas, and i dunno if its working properly. the batteries are in serious need of a charge, but i've got the unit plugged in and when i try to power up, it gets to 3 bars in the startup, makes a clicking noise (sounds like the hdd) and the lcd light flickers at this time, and it just sits there, it will do the clicking sound again randomly.. think i just need to charge more before starting it, or think the disk has a probl |
| 01:26:02 | LinusN | sounds like battery problems |
| 01:26:11 | miah | ok |
| 01:26:31 | miah | i figured because i had the units ac adapter hooked up it would be ok |
| 01:27:03 | breaker1 | You charged the batteries some hours before trying to start booting? |
| 01:27:13 | miah | no |
| 01:27:15 | miah | well, yes |
| 01:27:22 | miah | i had charged these batteries like 2 days ago |
| 01:27:25 | LinusN | miah: never run it until you have completed a first charge |
| 01:27:27 | miah | on my external AA charger |
| 01:27:35 | LinusN | ok |
| 01:27:38 | miah | so i figured the batteries would be charged enough |
| 01:27:55 | miah | but when i tried to power it up, it didnt work, and i tried the batteries in my studio and they didnt work |
| 01:28:04 | LinusN | miah: where did the atteries come from? |
| 01:28:14 | miah | so they definately need recharging.. i must have put them on the charger more than 2days ago.. been a busy week so i cant remember |
| 01:28:39 | LinusN | is it a fast charger? |
| 01:28:47 | miah | ah, well im charging it with the archos batteries now, but i have some rayovac nimh rechargable AA's |
| 01:29:00 | miah | nah, its a slow charge, takes a couple hours |
| 01:29:17 | LinusN | you may have killed the batteries if you left them in the charger too long |
| 01:29:20 | miah | ah |
| 01:29:30 | LinusN | those slow chargers are not always to trust |
| 01:29:35 | miah | yea |
| 01:29:41 | miah | its a rayovac slow charger too |
| 01:30:15 | breaker1 | I recommend that you try four batteries of the same brand/age and charge them some hours in the archos. Then booting up should work. |
| 01:30:18 | LinusN | the hard drive clicking sound is evidence of a broken battery cell |
| 01:30:44 | miah | ok |
| 01:30:57 | miah | breaker1: yea, we're charging now, she's just anxious to put mp3's on it =) |
| 01:31:11 | miah | for the past 3 years she's been carrying 50+ cd's in her backpack |
| 01:31:26 | miah | when i pickup her backpack i usually make a 'unf' sound |
| 01:32:05 | LinusN | ok so you bought the recorder to save your back |
| 01:32:10 | miah | hah |
| 01:32:13 | LinusN | selfish bastard! :-) |
| 01:32:32 | miah | thankfully i rarely have to pickup her backpack |
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| 01:32:45 | miah | i still have a studio6, so im jealous =) |
| 01:33:43 | miah | she wanted a ipod, but i've loved my studio.. plus the ipods are way too expensive |
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| 02:23:14 | breaker1 | LinusN? Are you still there? |
| 02:25:42 | LinusN | yup |
| 02:25:56 | merwin | LinusN: shouldn't you be asleep? |
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| 02:26:21 | LinusN | merwin: maybe... |
| 02:26:21 | breaker1 | I waited if you add the battery capacity thing.. |
| 02:26:35 | LinusN | breaker1: ah, i thought you meant the tricle |
| 02:27:01 | merwin | LinusN: finally traded in my old player for the recorder... free upgrade courtesy of the fine american company Best Buy :-) The contrast was waaaaay too high when I turned it on first... almost unreadable. |
| 02:27:42 | breaker1 | Hm, both. :) |
| 02:27:48 | LinusN | merwin: with the original firmware? |
| 02:27:54 | merwin | LinusN: rockbox |
| 02:29:10 | merwin | LinusN: it was good enough for me to to slowly get to the place to change it, but barely. I wonder how archos handles contrast? why it's always correct.. |
| 02:29:24 | breaker1 | My display is also too dark with the default setting. Above 30 is too dark, 40 is almost black, my default is 26. (Recoder20) |
| 02:30:27 | merwin | breaker1: heh, mine is 26 also :-) |
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| 02:32:03 | breaker1 | Good night. I'm really going to bed now. Bye. |
| 02:32:07 | LinusN | i too wonder how archos handles it |
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| 02:32:23 | LinusN | i think the displays differ between hardware versions |
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| 02:48:17 | merwin | LinusN: They probably have a huge table of hardware versions and contrast levels :) |
| 02:49:25 | LinusN | hehe |
| 02:49:30 | LinusN | at least two |
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| 02:59:32 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 02:59:34 | LinusN | night |
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| 05:25:02 | merwin | yoyoyo |
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| 05:58:03 | merwin | hm... how do you start a new recording session? |
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| 06:06:08 | merwin | nobody's ever around here until late :) |
| 06:11:19 | merwin | forgot about that funny little play button :-) |
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| 18:14:33 | nico13 | hi |
| 18:14:53 | breaker | hi |
| 18:16:13 | nico13 | I looked at the FAQ, but I was unable to find anything about the jukebox fm recorder. it's factory firmware is such a piece of crap (freezes, do not want to power on or off...) that even if I can't enjoy radio I'd like to try rockbox firmware. is it possible? |
| 18:18:03 | Hadaka | the FAQ does have an answer to that |
| 18:18:23 | nico13 | Hadaka: sorry then; i'll check again right now |
| 18:18:55 | nico13 | Hadaka: ok, I've seen. too bad |
| 18:19:28 | Hadaka | nico13: if people with fm recorders help, it might be possible though |
| 18:19:39 | nico13 | Hadaka: do you think it will be possible in a (near) future? |
| 18:20:02 | nico13 | Hadaka: I can't code, but i'm ready to make as much testing as needed... |
| 18:20:11 | Hadaka | well it's hard to say - none of the developers have an FM recorder - the changes they have made on it may be trivial - or they may be hard to overcome |
| 18:20:37 | Hadaka | in any case, they have changed the scrambling on the firmware, so that's the first hurdle to overcome |
| 18:20:56 | nico13 | friends with players using rockbox told me it was far better than original firmware, so I guess I want it too ;) |
| 18:21:55 | nico13 | Hadaka: is there a way to check for hardware changes by software (I mean without opening it?) |
| 18:22:23 | Hadaka | somewhat yes - but that's only if you are able to put a new firmware on it |
| 18:22:42 | Hadaka | but like mentioned, the firmware scrambling has changed - so that's the first problem |
| 18:22:51 | nico13 | Hadaka: ??? you mean an existing firmware? |
| 18:23:06 | nico13 | ah, ok. |
| 18:23:12 | nico13 | didn't catch first time |
| 18:23:50 | Hadaka | when the firmware is stored on the disk - where it gets loaded from |
| 18:23:59 | Hadaka | it is in scrambled form |
| 18:24:07 | Hadaka | on other archos models, the scrambling was a very trivial one |
| 18:24:11 | Hadaka | and easily decoded |
| 18:24:20 | Hadaka | but on the fm recorder, the scrambling is different |
| 18:24:21 | nico13 | I understand |
| 18:24:34 | Hadaka | and it's not yet known if it's another trivial one or something much harder to overcome |
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| 18:25:17 | Hadaka | anyway, I would expect that for any reasonable support for that device one of the rockbox developers would have to own that device and take it apart to study it's internals once again |
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| 18:25:35 | nico13 | actually I'm _really_ upset with archos' one... it's barely usable |
| 18:25:50 | Hadaka | that's sad to hear :( |
| 18:26:11 | nico13 | yep, and even more sad when you paid 450 euros for that |
| 18:26:43 | Hadaka | I got a recorder 20 just before they started making FM recorders - and have been very happy with it |
| 18:26:57 | nico13 | never a freeze? |
| 18:27:16 | Hadaka | well the archos firmware froze every now and then - but it was pretty usable even still |
| 18:27:26 | Hadaka | ofcourse rockbox works like a dream, no problems |
| 18:28:04 | nico13 | does archos freeze only during some specific operation, or at anytime? |
| 18:28:26 | nico13 | because mine freezes during a song, you don't know why... |
| 18:28:36 | Hadaka | well it did that every now and then - some MP3's were bad for it - some other stuff was as well - but mostly it was random |
| 18:28:49 | Hadaka | have you tried seeing if that song is broken? |
| 18:29:06 | nico13 | well, maybe should I have bought an ipod... |
| 18:29:08 | Hadaka | many players just ignore errors, the MAS chip is stricter in what it accepts |
| 18:29:46 | Hadaka | I don't think I would have been happy with an iPod - Recorder 20 has everything I need |
| 18:34:04 | nico13 | Hadaka: yep, me too, but i'm so disappointed with it... |
| 18:34:14 | nico13 | i'll check if the song is broken |
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| 19:34:26 | MrSnazz | speaking of errors, I have a particular track which caused my old Rio Volt SP100 to bomb. Quite amusing. ;) |
| 19:47:13 | Bryant | i've noticed that winamp sometimes doesn't play tracks with very long filenames, or ornate directory paths |
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| 19:47:19 | Bryant | maybe it's the same reason |
| 19:48:22 | MrSnazz | this one has a smallish filename, plays in winamp but there is an audible error in winamp when it hit sthe spot which crashes the Rio |
| 19:48:49 | MrSnazz | I havn'd tried it on the JBR20 yet, but I'd imagine with the mas chip being picky it probably won't go well ;) |
| 19:49:40 | Bryant | ahh |
| 19:49:46 | Bryant | k i'm out to lunch. |
| 19:49:47 | Bryant | later |
| 19:49:50 | MrSnazz | later |
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| 20:47:45 | yold | :) |
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| 21:23:12 | nazeman | bonsoir |
| 21:25:59 | NiarkY | soir |
| 21:40:59 | nazeman | quelqu'un parle t'il le français ? si oui j'aurai une petite question sur rockbox |
| 21:41:07 | NiarkY | oui |
| 21:42:21 | NiarkY | c quoi ta question ? |
| 21:42:43 | nazeman | Super, J'ai lu les maillinglist que le support (enfin peut-etre) du FM/archos ne viendrai jamais ? |
| 21:43:17 | NiarkY | ha la ya que les dvp qui peuvent le dir |
| 21:43:33 | NiarkY | mais le matos et po pareille donc c possible |
| 21:43:46 | NiarkY | helas |
| 21:43:59 | nazeman | T'es pa un DVP ? |
| 21:44:03 | NiarkY | nop |
| 21:44:17 | NiarkY | un utilisateur |
| 21:44:30 | nazeman | le firmware original c'est une catastrophe c'est tres buggé |
| 21:44:44 | NiarkY | sur le FM ? |
| 21:44:49 | nazeman | wi |
| 21:45:11 | NiarkY | ha, g un JBMM et c po top aussi mais ca vas encor |
| 21:45:28 | nazeman | JBMM ?? |
| 21:45:34 | NiarkY | multimedia |
| 21:45:57 | nazeman | le mien il a de la peine au démarrage chez toi aussi |
| 21:46:06 | nazeman | il démarre pas toujours |
| 21:46:08 | NiarkY | nan ca vas |
| 21:46:16 | NiarkY | t sur qu'il a po un pb ? |
| 21:46:27 | NiarkY | il f po un bruit bizard ton hdd ? |
| 21:46:50 | nazeman | non c'est mon 3ème FM et cui-la il fonctionne le mieux |
| 21:47:06 | NiarkY | 3ieme ??? |
| 21:47:09 | NiarkY | a ce point ? |
| 21:47:22 | nazeman | le 1er il demarre une fois su 30 |
| 21:47:47 | nazeman | le 2 èeme il avait un court circuit batterie naze apres 2 heures |
| 21:48:05 | nazeman | le 3 eme il a l'air d'aller a part qqfois pour le boot |
| 21:48:06 | NiarkY | ok |
| 21:48:22 | NiarkY | bein change :) prend 1 multimedia |
| 21:48:39 | nazeman | C'est un peu cher pour changer ..... |
| 21:48:52 | NiarkY | :) |
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| 21:58:24 | LinusN | NiarkY et nazeman: We would very much appreciate if you spoke english on this channel |
| 21:58:44 | NiarkY | sorry :( |
| 21:59:43 | nazeman | so |
| 21:59:53 | nazeman | re: sorry |
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| 22:00:04 | LinusN | so you say that the FM recorders are of that bad quality? |
| 22:00:17 | nazeman | yeas |
| 22:00:41 | nazeman | i have a lot off proble with boot |
| 22:01:19 | nazeman | + a few bug in system |
| 22:01:21 | LinusN | too bad |
| 22:01:46 | nazeman | what my english (i know :-) |
| 22:02:14 | LinusN | :-) |
| 22:02:27 | LinusN | no, too bad you have all those problems |
| 22:03:10 | nazeman | example: bitrate is blocked 128 kbits, playlist blocked 999 file (with 20 GB ???) |
| 22:03:32 | nazeman | vbr play but is not reconnigise |
| 22:04:24 | LinusN | really? |
| 22:04:50 | LinusN | nazeman: are you sure that your VBR files have correct headers? |
| 22:05:17 | nazeman | yes you have a info box and that alwas 128Kbit + No VBR but i have file with 160 kbit + a paar in VBR mode |
| 22:06:00 | nazeman | yes in xmms is ok and winamp |
| 22:06:07 | LinusN | nazeman: i mean, do your VBR files have a correct VBR header? Xing or VBRI? |
| 22:06:22 | LinusN | winamp doesn't count |
| 22:06:37 | LinusN | those programs don't need VBR headers |
| 22:06:43 | LinusN | the archos does |
| 22:07:09 | nazeman | any programme for test ? |
| 22:07:17 | LinusN | the 128kbit issue is different though |
| 22:07:25 | LinusN | that may |
| 22:07:36 | LinusN | are your files compressed with LAME? |
| 22:08:29 | nazeman | not all lame, or with software was inclusif in archos CD |
| 22:08:59 | LinusN | nazeman: the VBR ones, were they created with musicmatch? |
| 22:09:14 | nazeman | yes |
| 22:09:44 | LinusN | ok, then it may be that the FM recorder can't understand the VBRI header |
| 22:10:38 | nazeman | and for bitrate ? |
| 22:10:45 | hardeep | heh, doesn't the FM recorder come bundled with musicmatch? |
| 22:11:10 | nazeman | yes version 7.2 ~ |
| 22:11:59 | hardeep | you'd think the archos firmware would support the format generated by the software they bundle |
| 22:13:10 | nazeman | that normal for a tested product but this FM for me is total untested ! |
| 22:13:46 | nazeman | 3 FM in 2 week ! |
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| 22:14:18 | LinusN | that's lame |
| 22:14:55 | nazeman | lame ? i dont understant |
| 22:16:10 | Bryant | snazz you there? |
| 22:16:19 | LinusN | lame == really bad |
| 22:16:33 | LinusN | in this context |
| 22:17:09 | nazeman | thanks |
| 22:18:38 | LinusN | de rien |
| 22:20:05 | nazeman | ca fais tjrs plaisir quelques mot en francais ( it's very kool a few word in french) |
| 22:22:19 | NiarkY | is somone works on the JBMM firmware ? |
| 22:22:27 | LinusN | NiarkY: no |
| 22:22:46 | NiarkY | ok thx LinusN |
| 22:23:08 | LinusN | NiarkY: none of the rockbox developers own a JBMM |
| 22:23:24 | LinusN | nor an FM recorder |
| 22:24:08 | nazeman | sniff, no support for FM, |
| 22:24:27 | LinusN | nazeman: at least not yet |
| 22:24:57 | nazeman | not now ? but asap ? |
| 22:25:15 | NiarkY | you have alredy good works on the Jukebox |
| 22:25:27 | NiarkY | thx for all |
| 22:25:41 | LinusN | nazeman: we are examining the archos firmware file |
| 22:25:57 | LinusN | the scrambling is different from the older models |
| 22:26:07 | LinusN | so we have some cryptanalysis to do |
| 22:26:23 | LinusN | NiarkY: you are welcome |
| 22:26:49 | nazeman | LinusN: can i help you but i dont be a devellopper ? |
| 22:27:44 | LinusN | nazeman: yes, by testing stuff, coming with ideas, and writing documentation, just to name a few |
| 22:33:12 | nazeman | linusN : I will testing if you have no a FM. a after i come perhaps with good idea |
| 22:35:06 | LinusN | i guess i'll never buy an FM recorder |
| 22:35:20 | LinusN | i'm quite happy with my JBR20 |
| 22:35:46 | NiarkY | the JBMM have better sound quality (bass) |
| 22:36:41 | NiarkY | but the JBR was great |
| 22:37:03 | NiarkY | i have 1 :) |
| 22:37:20 | LinusN | NiarkY: yeah, maybe the JBMM has a better amplifier |
| 22:38:06 | NiarkY | no archos have respected the french aplification limitation :( ( i think there the only) |
| 22:39:36 | nazeman | LinusN: If you want i test the firmware for FM please contact me, my mail is in my home page http://www.nazeman.org |
| 22:40:14 | LinusN | nazeman: we still haven't figured out how to scramble the firmware, so we have nothing to test :-( |
| 22:42:40 | nazeman | i have read archos will shipping rockbox, perhaps archos can liver one for test |
| 22:46:50 | LinusN | nazeman: we have asked for documentation |
| 22:46:57 | LinusN | but they have not replied |
| 22:47:30 | LinusN | they are afraid of releasing details, because they don't want their competitors to know more than necessary |
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| 22:54:51 | nazeman | LinusN: i muss go thanks |
| 22:55:54 | LinusN | cu |
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| 23:04:01 | hardeep | i think i might have found a bug in the file write code |
| 23:04:23 | hardeep | take a look at this generated queue file: http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/.queue_file |
| 23:05:15 | LinusN | what is wrong with that file? |
| 23:05:26 | hardeep | the last line |
| 23:05:50 | hardeep | if you look at the binary, the characters are all 0 at the beginning |
| 23:06:06 | LinusN | ah, now i see |
| 23:06:15 | LinusN | my browser filtered that out |
| 23:06:22 | LinusN | nasty |
| 23:06:36 | LinusN | is that a a sector boundary? |
| 23:06:45 | hardeep | sector is 512 so no |
| 23:06:48 | hardeep | it's at like 400 |
| 23:08:14 | hardeep | make that byte 485 |
| 23:08:50 | LinusN | i think it looks like a shared buffer problem |
| 23:09:15 | LinusN | like if you reuse the buffer before write() is done with it |
| 23:09:15 | hardeep | yeah, possibility. let me debug my code |
| 23:09:58 | hardeep | i do reuse it _after_ calling write |
| 23:12:01 | hardeep | yeah, the function doesn't return until the write returns and it's only one thread so the buffer isn't reused until then |
| 23:19:07 | LinusN | maybe the file write code reuses a buffer inappropriately |
| 23:19:54 | LinusN | or could it be a buffer overflow in another buffer, before that one in memory? |
| 23:20:28 | hardeep | yep, another possibility... i'll continue debugging |
| 23:20:53 | hardeep | one of these days i'm going to have to set up the debugger, this lcd_puts/panicf debugging is rather slow hehe |
| 23:21:05 | LinusN | hardeep: gdb rox |
| 23:21:34 | hardeep | hehe, yeah |
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| 23:22:19 | LinusN | TotMacher: split personality? |
| 23:22:38 | TotMacher | yeah, and more than two characters |
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| 23:23:46 | BoD[] | hello ! |
| 23:23:57 | LinusN | hi |
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| 23:40:53 | Disciple1 | Hi :) |
| 23:41:51 | BoD[] | yo:) |
| 23:42:08 | NiarkY | by all |
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| 23:42:43 | Disciple1 | I've just setup an SH1 cross compiler (GCC 3.2.1) on Cygwin and compile my 1st FW for my Recorder20 :)))) |
| 23:46:00 | LinusN | wow! congrats! |
| 23:47:13 | Disciple1 | that's strange but with the Archos FW i got a very annoying metalic/hissing sound, and it disapear using Rockbox :) |
| 23:47:30 | LinusN | Disciple1: yup, isn't |
| 23:47:34 | LinusN | tha great?! |
| 23:47:39 | Disciple1 | yeah :) |
| 23:47:45 | Hadaka | that sound was the other main reason why I changed to rockbox |
| 23:47:57 | LinusN | the sound most definitely comes from the I2C |
| 23:48:15 | Disciple1 | or LCD :) |
| 23:48:28 | LinusN | Disciple1: no, probably not lcd |
| 23:48:51 | Disciple1 | Anyway, I'll hack Rockbox in the near future (I'm embedded developper in the real life :) |
| 23:49:13 | LinusN | Disciple1: welcome to the team |
| 23:49:17 | LinusN | any plans? |
| 23:49:48 | Disciple1 | for now ? no ! I'm trying to understant how it works :) |
| 23:49:59 | LinusN | Disciple1: feel free to ask |
| 23:50:06 | LinusN | and read docs/TECH |
| 23:50:15 | Disciple1 | yeah :) |
| 23:50:36 | LinusN | and please update it if something is missing/wrong |
| 23:50:49 | Disciple1 | hmmmm, do you got any free source browser/editor to advice (for windows) ? |
| 23:51:05 | Hadaka | xemacs :) |
| 23:51:09 | Disciple1 | lol |
| 23:51:31 | Disciple1 | I'll can use products from where I work(ed), but that too..... BIG :) |
| 23:51:36 | LinusN | actually, emacs for windows is really goos |
| 23:51:46 | LinusN | good |
| 23:52:10 | Josh_ | hey guys! |
| 23:52:13 | LinusN | yo |
| 23:52:15 | | Nick Josh_ is now known as Jet8810 (~Josh@adsl-153-120-221.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:52:28 | Jet8810 | Linus, do you know when queueing may become a reality? |
| 23:52:36 | LinusN | Jet8810: soon |
| 23:52:39 | LinusN | ask hardeep |
| 23:52:57 | Jet8810 | alright th anks |
| 23:53:04 | Jet8810 | hardeep , you here? ;) |
| 23:53:39 | Hadaka | hmmh, should I start testing the latest BE wrt charging code... |
| 23:53:58 | BoD[] | what is I2C ? |
| 23:54:31 | LinusN | BoD[]: I2C is a serial bus |
| 23:54:44 | Disciple1 | and that where the hissing soudn come from :) |
| 23:54:45 | BoD[] | hmm |
| 23:54:57 | BoD[] | what is it used for |
| 23:55:10 | LinusN | Rockbox has a faster I2C driver than archos, and talks less on it |
| 23:55:20 | Disciple1 | lol |
| 23:55:43 | LinusN | therefore the interference has a higher frequency, |
| 23:56:02 | LinusN | BoD[]: it is used to talk to the MAS and the RTC |
| 23:56:18 | BoD[] | hmm :) |
| 23:56:19 | LinusN | and the DAC on the Players |
| 23:56:43 | BoD[] | so it can be used to transfer data and orders between several parts ? |
| 23:58:23 | LinusN | yes, it is a bus |
| 23:58:36 | LinusN | every device has a unique address |
| 23:58:55 | Disciple1 | introduce a shared global memory buffer that all exclusive applications use |
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