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06:21:27 | crazybee | hello all |
06:22:43 | crazybee | does anyone have the pinout for the Archos Multimedia jukebox? so I don't have to buy a $50 USB or firewire adapter? |
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06:34:03 | XtUX | any info on setting up infra to transfer file to other devices |
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06:48:34 | crazybee | howdy again, any ways, these people have built a standalone MP3 player using the MAS DSP: http://elektronik.kai-uwe-schmidt.de/mp3_en.html |
06:49:09 | MrSnazz | interesting |
06:49:11 | MrSnazz | thanks for the link |
06:49:30 | crazybee | yup, used a PIC to control it, but the 3507 seems to just do its job no hassles |
06:50:40 | crazybee | hmm.. was my previous question answered? I did check the FAQ |
06:50:55 | MrSnazz | i don't know the answer, sorry :( |
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06:52:14 | X | how do you get the rockbox to show the mp3 info while playing is possible ? |
06:52:22 | crazybee | damn.. I was hoping someone outthere bought teh cable and had a multimeter to do a pin sweep to fnd out which pins are what.. I really don't feel like spending anouther $50 on it |
06:53:51 | crazybee | hmm.. found a web page in china aboutthe chip |
06:55:35 | crazybee | nvrmind |
06:55:59 | crazybee | know if there is a webpage on the new archos opened up and examined? |
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07:06:37 | crazybee | hey, is *MB the most you can upgrade the Archos with? the iPod has 32MB |
07:06:40 | crazybee | just curious |
07:19:26 | crazybee | oh, hey, I am assuming the current firmware updates are NOT for the new multimedia jukebox, correct? :) |
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08:37:11 | Norrin | Has anyone taken the FM Recorder apart and upgraded the HD? |
08:37:31 | Norrin | I'm looking for instructions on how to do it? I have a 40GB I want to move from my player to the recorder. |
08:38:02 | crazybee | probably, did you go o the website and check the FAQ? |
08:38:57 | Norrin | I can only find instructions for the player and older recorder, not the new FM recorder. |
08:39:31 | crazybee | goto the webiste and use teh serach function, it will search all of the archives and then you will probably find your answer.. |
08:42:14 | Norrin | No luck, pulls up all the disassemble instructions for the player, not the FM recorder. Thanks though, I'll keep looking. |
08:42:39 | crazybee | just check the archive later.. they say they answer questions posted at a later date |
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08:57:20 | Norrin | Anyone else know of a website showing disassemble instructions for the FM Recorder or Multimedia? |
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13:31:04 | Phantom | Hi |
13:31:25 | Phantom | if a file have ID3 v1 and V2 which is use ? |
13:32:33 | Phantom | ? |
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14:06:55 | Phantom | somebody ? |
14:07:07 | Phantom | anybody ? |
14:07:42 | Phantom | "In #rockbox, nobody hear you scream" |
14:12:17 | Hadaka | it's almost christmas :) |
14:14:20 | Phantom | if a file have ID3 v1 and V2 which is use in display ? |
14:16:19 | Hadaka | V2, if they are good |
14:16:25 | Hadaka | there's some checks made, afaik |
14:16:37 | Hadaka | but v2 is preferred |
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17:01:20 | Bryant | anyone here |
17:01:36 | Bryant | does anyone know if there is a way to browse music while something is playing? |
17:02:07 | Hadaka | press 'on' |
17:03:14 | Bryant | and then f1? |
17:03:30 | Bryant | oh i see |
17:03:41 | Bryant | thanks |
17:03:45 | Hadaka | no problem :) |
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17:42:32 | SmoothPeanutButt | Is there any difference between the Recorder 15 and Recorder 20 other than the size of the HDD? |
17:42:54 | Hadaka | hm, lemme check |
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17:43:55 | Hadaka | I'm not entirely sure |
17:44:05 | Hadaka | if there is a difference |
17:44:18 | Hadaka | then it's the difference that recorder 20 has USB 2.0 and recorder 15 doesn't |
17:44:21 | Hadaka | so if you check that |
17:44:22 | Phantom | two day without any updaten that is strange .. |
17:44:27 | Hadaka | you should be safe |
17:44:35 | Hadaka | Phantom: jingle bells jingle bells... |
17:44:53 | Phantom | yes right |
17:45:26 | SmoothPeanutButt | The box on the 15 says "2.0 Compatible" whether this means that it will do 2.0 is the quesiton... |
17:45:39 | Phantom | the 15 is a fake |
17:45:49 | SmoothPeanutButt | ? |
17:45:49 | Phantom | this isn't an official archos |
17:46:00 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: it should have a big 'USB 2.0' logo |
17:46:50 | SmoothPeanutButt | It's a real archos. Just that there is a sticker on the box that says "2.0 Compatible" |
17:47:05 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: the archos website doesn't sell that model |
17:47:27 | Phantom | hadaka you type faster than me ;-) |
17:47:38 | SmoothPeanutButt | Rwally, cause I saw it at Ciruit city. Official box and eveything. What's the deal then? |
17:47:38 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: but there should be a USB 2.0 logo somewhere on the box |
17:47:49 | SmoothPeanutButt | What's the logo look like? |
17:47:53 | Bryant | no it's official |
17:47:56 | Bryant | they discontinued it though |
17:48:03 | Phantom | no |
17:48:06 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: blue, should have a big USB text and 2.0 smaller below it |
17:48:08 | Bryant | i don't think they'll be producing it after a while |
17:48:10 | Phantom | I'm sure |
17:48:16 | Bryant | you're srue? |
17:48:29 | Bryant | because it looks quite official everywhere i looked |
17:49:13 | SmoothPeanutButt | I'm certain that it's legit. I'd just like to find out what the differences are. |
17:49:33 | Phantom | this is a 6go or 10go or 20go BUT with another hard drive |
17:50:05 | Bryant | who makes the 15 gb model then? |
17:50:09 | Bryant | if it's not archos |
17:50:30 | Phantom | archos |
17:50:33 | Bryant | it's illegal for them to put archos's original packaging on it to sell |
17:50:33 | Phantom | BUT |
17:51:08 | Phantom | the hard drive is change by another person, it's possible to find 40go archos recorder |
17:51:43 | SmoothPeanutButt | I'm guessing that it's a discontinued model. Most people would probably go for 10 or 20. It wans't selling enough probably. |
17:51:52 | Bryant | no but still |
17:52:03 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: I'd really try to make sure it is USB2.0, if you care about that |
17:52:08 | Bryant | it's illegal for that person to sell their modified archos at retailers under archos's name |
17:52:23 | Bryant | they MUST say "modified" someplace |
17:52:47 | Bryant | and if smoothpeanutbutt is sure he saw it sold at circuit city in the original Archos package..then well |
17:52:52 | Phantom | 2 second I search the web site |
17:53:16 | SmoothPeanutButt | Yeah, that's why I'm trying to find out if it is just a 20 with a 15 drive in it, or a 10 with a 15 drive. The 20 is USB2.0 but the 10 is 1.1 |
17:53:58 | Phantom | the two are possible |
17:54:21 | Phantom | but I think strange to use a 20... |
17:54:59 | SmoothPeanutButt | What's the diff in speed between 1.1 and 2.0? |
17:55:29 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: USB 2.0 is 480mbit/s, USB 1.1 is 12mbit/s or something like that |
17:55:46 | Hadaka | though ofcourse the harddrive can't make such speeds |
17:56:08 | Hadaka | so the actual difference is less than 1megabyte per sec vs. several per sec |
17:56:30 | SmoothPeanutButt | What's the peak bandwidth of the HDDs? |
17:56:52 | Hadaka | well it depends on the HDDs, even the same units do not always come with the same HDD |
17:57:37 | SmoothPeanutButt | Well, I can get a Recorder 15 for $180 (at the store) or the 20 for $200 (online) |
17:57:56 | Hadaka | mine is FUJITSU MHN2200AT - you can possibly find specs on the net about it |
17:57:57 | Phantom | look here : http://www.funmp3players.com/store/products.asp?id=2 |
17:58:20 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: I'd advise to go for the 20, even though a bit more expensive - I'm not trusting any other models yet |
17:58:21 | Phantom | 40go |
17:59:04 | Phantom | http://www.funmp3players.com/store/showproduct.asp?catid=54 |
17:59:14 | SmoothPeanutButt | That site has these specs for the 20: Transfer Rate: USB (Compatible with PC and Mac) |
17:59:14 | SmoothPeanutButt | Up to 1MB/sec. |
17:59:14 | SmoothPeanutButt | |
17:59:23 | Phantom | yes |
17:59:41 | Phantom | so they use 10or 6 |
17:59:50 | SmoothPeanutButt | Typo? |
17:59:51 | Phantom | normal, they are less expensive.. |
17:59:51 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: usb 1.1 can do that up to 1mb/sec |
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18:00:24 | Hadaka | SmoothPeanutButt: if they didn't mention it specially, I don't think they had a usb 2.0 card in the computer |
18:01:24 | SmoothPeanutButt | Aha.. Found a reference on the archos site. Go to the Recorder 10 and bring up the specs. Listed at the top: "Jukebox Recorder 6 - 6GB USB 1.1 |
18:01:24 | SmoothPeanutButt | Jukebox Recorder 10 - 10GB USB 1.1 |
18:01:24 | SmoothPeanutButt | Jukebox Recorder 15 - 15GB USB 1.1 |
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18:01:25 | SmoothPeanutButt | " |
18:01:37 | SmoothPeanutButt | Mystery solved. |
18:01:45 | Hadaka | heh, so it seems |
18:04:35 | Bryant | i told you it's officially archos |
18:06:35 | Phantom | url please |
18:07:22 | SmoothPeanutButt | http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500297.html . Click on the "Features and Specs" link. |
18:10:35 | Phantom | right, BUT ! |
18:10:36 | Phantom | 500277 - US Jukebox Recorder 15, 15GB HD |
18:10:49 | Phantom | It was only sell in USA |
18:10:59 | Phantom | and... I'm french |
18:11:52 | SmoothPeanutButt | ah. Probably. Anyone have a link to the "official" usb 2.0 logo image. I want to make sure of something. |
18:12:23 | Phantom | sure : |
18:16:24 | Bryant | Ohhh |
18:16:26 | Phantom | http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm |
18:16:27 | Bryant | hehe..only in usa |
18:16:44 | Phantom | YES, but i'm happy with mine |
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18:17:33 | SmoothPeanutButt | thanks |
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18:22:06 | SmoothPeanutButt | It's weord becuase the box for the 15 had the same "USB 2.0 Compatible" stickers on it that the Recorder 20 has.. strange, very strange |
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20:12:27 | ken0_ | guys |
20:12:59 | ken0_ | is there any way I could get to the DC IN part to resolder it WITHOUT taking the unit's electronics apart? |
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22:09:31 | X | mmm yea :-0 who cn help ?? Have GNUSH and all that on XP pro, compiled a program and want to mess with rockbox should i just take the .mod and .ajz file and copy to another file, and do what |
22:10:16 | X | also playing mp3's in car thru fm modulator and the batteries go dead in less than an hour's time is that right ? |
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22:17:57 | hardeep | X: copy the .ajz file to the root directory on your JB to use it |
22:18:31 | hardeep | X: it's just like an Archos firmware upgrade |
22:18:37 | Hadaka | hmmh, fm modulator? how does that work? |
22:19:01 | X | it's ok, the mp3's need |
22:19:19 | Hadaka | is it just a plug in the 'ear plug' on the archos which is then modulated for the car? |
22:19:20 | X | to be ripped at higher bits rate |
22:19:27 | X | for it to sound good |
22:19:52 | X | had set up route66 on linux box and ran in car with fm mod, that was really good |
22:20:15 | X | this is better cause of size |
22:20:23 | Hadaka | there shouldn't be a reason why batteries on the archos would die out in one hour |
22:20:48 | X | i charged first 6 hours and second 11, |
22:21:13 | Hadaka | how was the archos plugged in? |
22:21:18 | X | the os doesn't get to start and the screen goes blank |
22:21:21 | Hadaka | in the car? |
22:21:49 | X | i had it plugged in to the charger on a strip, also had usb plugged in and was ripping at the time |
22:21:59 | Hadaka | oh! |
22:22:06 | Hadaka | usb drains loads of power |
22:22:09 | X | yes in the car after playing about 40 min |
22:22:10 | Hadaka | _loads_ |
22:22:22 | X | unplug and charge then |
22:22:31 | Hadaka | and so does recording |
22:22:48 | X | mmmm :-> ic |
22:22:51 | Hadaka | but while just playing, you should never get something as low as one hour of playtime |
22:23:03 | Hadaka | more like 10 or 12 hours |
22:23:28 | X | when the player is playing can it be charged at the same time ? |
22:23:36 | Hadaka | yes it can |
22:24:02 | X | so i will plug in the car also then |
22:24:37 | X | can you tell me about the compiler a little i have everything the rockbox said to get |
22:24:37 | Hadaka | though, continuous discharge and charge on extended periods of time does hurt the batteries quite a lot |
22:24:57 | Hadaka | someone else has to answer that - I haven't compiled rockbox ever on windows |
22:25:10 | X | well first i have to charge correctly without the usb connected |
22:25:21 | X | linux ? |
22:25:27 | hardeep | X: what problems are you having with the compiler? |
22:25:34 | Hadaka | rockbox has a deep discharge mode, which will first let batteries drop to 10%, and then charge to full, and then repeat |
22:25:39 | Hadaka | yeah, linux |
22:26:07 | X | no prob checked to see if i could hello world, and it does, i just need starting point to use with rockbox |
22:26:47 | X | what files to use mod and ajz |
22:27:02 | X | should i use the originals i have in temp dir |
22:27:14 | Hadaka | umm, you are asking weird questions :) |
22:27:23 | Hadaka | what unit do you have and what do you wish to do? :) |
22:28:24 | X | i have the archos 20 gig, i added the latest build of rockbox a few fonts and stuff, but i wanted to mess with the rockbox code |
22:28:34 | Hadaka | recorder or studio? |
22:29:00 | X | recorder |
22:29:56 | Hadaka | well then |
22:30:03 | Hadaka | if you have installed the compiler propertly |
22:30:07 | Hadaka | and downloaded the latest sources |
22:30:37 | Hadaka | you execute do tools/configure to create a Makefile - and then make should produce you a 'ajbrec.ajz' file |
22:30:50 | Hadaka | which is the thing you should copy at the root of your archos drive |
22:31:44 | X | ok i have to get the source, not used to downloading files which need to be compiled into windows |
22:32:07 | Hadaka | well you said you wanted to mess with the rockbox code? |
22:32:16 | Hadaka | if you just want the firmware, download the latest release |
22:32:22 | Hadaka | or daily build |
22:32:24 | Hadaka | or bleeding edge |
22:32:55 | Hadaka | http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-recorder/ajbrec.ajz <- there's the url to the latest bleeding edge build |
22:33:13 | Hadaka | just simply copy that on your archos and it should boot into rockbox |
22:37:08 | X | thnks for your help |
22:37:41 | Hadaka | no problem :) |
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22:38:33 | EnnaN | hi |
22:38:47 | Hadaka | yo |
22:40:04 | EnnaN | you know this: −−−−[ 655105 ] Queue function−−−− patch? |
22:40:15 | EnnaN | (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=655105&group_id=44306&atid=439120) |
22:40:32 | EnnaN | searching for some1 that uses it... |
22:41:04 | Hadaka | I don't |
22:41:47 | EnnaN | hmm..looks like a good patch...could use the feature...but never read anything bout it on the mailinglist... |
22:41:53 | EnnaN | what you think bout it? |
22:43:08 | Hadaka | haven't looked into the patch myself |
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22:51:22 | Niek | Is there a limit to the stack size? |
22:53:28 | Hadaka | I do think so |
22:54:02 | Hadaka | default stack size is 400 bytes |
22:54:21 | Niek | I've ported the game Asteroids to the RockBox, pretty neat, but since I've removed all global variables in to locals it wont run anymore |
22:54:23 | Hadaka | but you can apparently specify it by hand per thread |
22:54:46 | Hadaka | it may be that it hits the 400byte limit then |
22:54:54 | Niek | I have it running in the win32 emulator real good thoufh |
22:54:57 | Hadaka | example: |
22:54:58 | Niek | though |
22:55:02 | Hadaka | static char usb_stack[DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE]; |
22:55:12 | Hadaka | create_thread(usb_thread, usb_stack, sizeof(usb_stack), usb_thread_name); |
22:55:26 | Niek | my program doesn't use any thread |
22:55:38 | Hadaka | well then it runs in the application thread, lemme check that |
22:56:50 | Hadaka | hmm, can't find the size now |
22:56:56 | Hadaka | but I would expect it be the 400 bytes |
22:57:17 | Niek | ah the game uses more than that (a lot more) |
22:58:07 | Niek | so I need globals for that... |
22:59:17 | Hadaka | in the debug menus, there should be a 'view stack usage' or something similar |
22:59:37 | Niek | unfortunately when I start the game the entire archos crashes |
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23:01:04 | Hadaka | the entire stack available to rockbox seems to be something rather small as well |
23:01:14 | Hadaka | so you probably do need to lessen the stack usage heavily |
23:01:47 | Niek | Do you have any experience with changing floating point code to integer code? |
23:02:13 | Hadaka | not much |
23:04:35 | Niek | Okay made them globals again... let's see |
23:05:38 | Niek | he, runned for a few seconds, then it gave me a *PANIC* |
23:05:50 | Niek | Stkov scroll |
23:05:54 | Niek | (?) |
23:06:10 | Hadaka | I think that's a stack overflow too |
23:06:34 | Hadaka | yeah |
23:06:59 | Hadaka | it means that the scroll thread got a stack overflow - I'm not sure if it directly means that or that the previous thread got an overflow |
23:08:35 | Hadaka | if(stackptr[0] != 0xdeadbeef) |
23:08:35 | Hadaka | panicf("Stkov %s", thread_name[next]); |
23:08:38 | Hadaka | oh |
23:08:53 | Hadaka | so it means probably that the previous thread write over the next threads stack |
23:08:59 | Hadaka | and the next thread was scroll |
23:10:47 | Niek | I see... |
23:11:05 | Niek | Which buttons can be pressed simultaneously? |
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23:11:56 | Hadaka | that I do not know at all |
23:12:12 | Hadaka | but |
23:12:19 | Hadaka | if you go to the debug menu |
23:12:22 | Niek | Since thrusting the ship and stearing at the same time isn't possible |
23:12:27 | Hadaka | and go to View I/O ports |
23:12:36 | Hadaka | and then press buttons |
23:12:48 | Hadaka | you should see what values different io ports get |
23:12:58 | Hadaka | and you can perhaps determine the thing yourself |
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23:27:44 | X | Trying to debug on win XP pro any suggestions ? |
23:27:48 | X | kernel.c: In function `IMIA0': |
23:27:48 | X | kernel.c:206: insn does not satisfy its constraints: |
23:27:48 | X | (insn 143 142 144 (set (mem:SI (pre_dec:SI (reg/f:SI 15 r15)) [0 S4 A32]) |
23:27:48 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK X |
23:27:48 | X | (reg:SI 151 fpscr)) 112 {movsi_i} (insn_list 142 (nil)) |
23:27:48 | X | (expr_list:REG_INC (reg/f:SI 15 r15) |
23:27:48 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
23:27:48 | X | (nil))) |
23:27:51 | X | kernel.c:206: Internal compiler error in extract_constrain_insn_cached, at recog |
23:27:52 | X | .c:2063 |
23:27:54 | X | Please submit a full bug report, |
23:27:57 | X | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
23:27:58 | X | See <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/bugs.html> for instructions. |
23:28:00 | X | make[1]: *** [kernel.o] Error 1 |
23:28:02 | X | make[1]: Leaving directory `G:/Program Files/kpit/GNUSH v0204-ELF/Build/firmware |
23:28:04 | X | ' |
23:28:06 | X | make: *** [librockbox.a] Error 2 |
23:28:22 | X | Besides submit a full bug report |
23:29:51 | Hadaka | check if there is a newer gcc available |
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23:30:57 | Niek | No you need an older version |
23:31:09 | Niek | You're trying the 204 version |
23:31:15 | Niek | you need the 203 |
23:31:40 | Niek | (I had that problem too) |
23:31:57 | X | 203 ? sounds good |
23:37:49 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
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23:58:38 | Niek | anyone interested in having the win32 simulator binary of asteroids? |