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| 21:19:08 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | hello all |
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| 21:25:13 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | is it possible to ask a newbie league question here or is there a seperate channel for that? |
| 21:27:54 | _seb_ | you can ask here |
| 21:28:28 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ah thank you, just got rockbox and ive been messing with it for the past few days and im really impressed, ive just hit 1 snag installing patches as in i cant i keep getting error messages |
| 21:29:33 | _seb_ | hrm... I haven't had much luck compiling, myself... what OS are you on? |
| 21:30:17 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | *sigh* im lumbered with WinME |
| 21:31:54 | _seb_ | hehe :) are you using cygwin? |
| 21:33:49 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ah here is where i show my newbieness, i downloaded GNU utilities for Win32 for patch.exe |
| 21:53:02 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | so any advice? |
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| 22:30:45 | LinusN | hey Duke_Sam_Vimes |
| 22:30:54 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | hello |
| 22:31:01 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | sorry was day dreaming there |
| 22:31:13 | LinusN | are you trying to compile rockbox? |
| 22:31:32 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | im trying to add a patch and having absolutely no luck since i dont have a clue what im doing |
| 22:32:14 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | oh and i love rockbox btw, its an amazing piece of firmware |
| 22:33:49 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: chip8? |
| 22:34:24 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | not just that, any patch |
| 22:35:03 | LinusN | first of all, those patches are code changes sent to the rockbox project from other developers |
| 22:35:16 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | yep i understand that part |
| 22:35:44 | LinusN | so basically, they are meant for us developers, not for users |
| 22:35:58 | LinusN | but anyone can try them |
| 22:36:10 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ah |
| 22:36:34 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ok that makes sense, please excuse me im new to rockbox |
| 22:36:42 | LinusN | np |
| 22:36:53 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: so you like rockbox? |
| 22:37:03 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | its bloody brilliant |
| 22:37:13 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | a huge improvement over what archos gives you |
| 22:37:32 | LinusN | thanks |
| 22:38:07 | LinusN | it's really nice that people are so happy about it |
| 22:38:28 | LinusN | because it's so damn fun to work with |
| 22:38:32 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | you and the other developers have put a huge amount of work into it and it shows |
| 22:38:47 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | lol its actually fun to use the JB now |
| 22:39:01 | LinusN | yeah, we have put a lot of work into it, more than Archos could have afforded to do |
| 22:39:46 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | can i ask a question about the current release(and the newest daily build) |
| 22:39:56 | LinusN | sure |
| 22:40:34 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | i have a large number of playlists since i have everything organised in a tree structure and i was wondering is there any way to randomise them since using shuffle doesnt seem to work |
| 22:41:06 | LinusN | shuffle only works within playlists |
| 22:41:20 | LinusN | it won't select a random playlist for you |
| 22:41:34 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ah no i mean shuffing inside a playlist |
| 22:41:37 | LinusN | you want to randomly select an album to play? |
| 22:41:47 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | i turned shuffle on and it still goes from 1-2-3 and so on |
| 22:41:56 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: really? |
| 22:42:11 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ill try it again to make sure 1 sec |
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| 22:44:03 | e-Jah | lut tt le monde |
| 22:44:19 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | wait my apologies, i just realised what it was doing |
| 22:44:26 | LinusN | e-Jah: salut |
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| 22:45:05 | e-Jah | is it plan to develop a support for the Archos Jukebox Multimedia 20 in Rockbox ? |
| 22:45:18 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | i have the WPS set up to show the position in the playlist and i was going from that but it doesnt work like the archos firmware one(that showed its position in the original list) |
| 22:45:19 | LinusN | e-Jah: no, not really |
| 22:45:40 | LinusN | e-Jah: the multimedia is a completely different hardware |
| 22:45:57 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: i know |
| 22:46:06 | LinusN | i am working on a solution to that |
| 22:46:13 | e-Jah | hummm then an other project has begin maybe ? |
| 22:46:19 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN: my apologies |
| 22:46:31 | LinusN | e-Jah: maybe |
| 22:46:43 | LinusN | but we need documentation |
| 22:46:56 | LinusN | and none of the rockbox developers have Multimedia machines |
| 22:47:05 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: no worries |
| 22:48:22 | e-Jah | i've one..... |
| 22:48:51 | LinusN | e-Jah: are you prepared to take it apart and start measuring? |
| 22:49:03 | LinusN | to draw schematics |
| 22:49:45 | e-Jah | hum, bon je parle françai maintenant comme il n'y a k'une personne qui me répond :o) |
| 22:50:29 | e-Jah | je ne connais rien en electronique...alors ça va être hard pour ke je fasse kkch... :/ |
| 22:52:10 | LinusN | ah, je comprends |
| 22:52:32 | LinusN | ca, c'est le problème |
| 22:53:44 | LinusN | je connais d'electronique, mais je n'ai pas un JBMM |
| 22:54:10 | LinusN | et je parle pas si bien francais :-) |
| 22:54:23 | e-Jah | ok dsl :o) |
| 22:55:01 | e-Jah | faudrait que je trouve kk1 ki développer pour Rockbox, qui connaisse l'électronique et qui habite près de chez moi....c'est pas gagné :o) |
| 22:55:54 | LinusN | hehe, je suis suedois... |
| 22:56:56 | LinusN | (and some people will kill me for speaking french here) |
| 22:57:24 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | lol, just point them in the direction of babel fish |
| 22:57:57 | e-Jah | LinusN: bah tu te débrouilles bien en français en tt cas |
| 22:59:39 | LinusN | e-Jah: merci |
| 22:59:42 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN:can i ask what has been the hardest part in getting rockbox to the stage its at? |
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| 23:00:27 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: hard to tell...i guess finding out how the hardware was designed |
| 23:00:58 | LinusN | lots of measuring with multimeters and oscilloscopes |
| 23:01:08 | LinusN | logic analyzers |
| 23:01:29 | LinusN | and discovering that no two devices are alike... |
| 23:01:53 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN:*sigh* i remember how bad that was from physics labs, how hard is it to catch up on what you guys have already done and help out and what sort of knowledge do you need |
| 23:02:02 | LinusN | the hardware differs a lot depending on when it was manufactures |
| 23:02:24 | LinusN | manufactured |
| 23:02:32 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ouchie that had to be a pain |
| 23:02:34 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: everyone can help |
| 23:02:40 | e-Jah | ils pourraient donner leurs specs quand même :( , est-ce qu'il y a déjà eu des demandes en ce sens auprès d'Archos ? |
| 23:03:18 | LinusN | e-Jah: we have asked Archos for the specs for the multimedia and the fm recorder |
| 23:03:28 | LinusN | but they are reluctant to do so |
| 23:03:46 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | you would think they would try to help you guys since you are doing their job for them |
| 23:03:47 | LinusN | primarily because they don't want to release information to their competitors |
| 23:03:54 | e-Jah | hum, reluctant ? (sorry for my bad english ;) |
| 23:04:00 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: agreed |
| 23:04:08 | LinusN | e-Jah: not willing |
| 23:04:12 | e-Jah | ok |
| 23:04:15 | e-Jah | thx |
| 23:05:00 | LinusN | they want to cooperate with rockbox |
| 23:05:15 | LinusN | at least they want it to look like they do |
| 23:05:49 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | would you guys ever considering signing an agreement with them(ie they tell you you tell no-one) and putting rockbox on an offical footing? |
| 23:05:55 | LinusN | we also want documentation for the older devices |
| 23:06:09 | e-Jah | arf |
| 23:06:21 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: the problem is that as soon as we release the code, the information is out anyway |
| 23:06:36 | LinusN | that is the beauty of open source |
| 23:06:41 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | true and it defeats the purpose of open source if you dont release the code |
| 23:07:00 | LinusN | but they fail to see the advantages |
| 23:07:12 | LinusN | they will sell more if the device is programmable, imho |
| 23:07:12 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | well you have done an extremely good job so far without their help |
| 23:07:19 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: thx |
| 23:07:37 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | very much so, the whole idea of being able to customise it would be a big pull. i spent a day just messing with the WPS |
| 23:08:06 | LinusN | hacking small embedded devices is my profession |
| 23:08:15 | LinusN | so is Zagors and Bagders |
| 23:08:24 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | nice profession |
| 23:08:25 | e-Jah | yes it could be a good idea, in fact i've bought an ARchos with the view to modify it .... |
| 23:09:22 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | how hard is it to get involved with rockbox(as in the background you need to cover) |
| 23:09:29 | e-Jah | but for the moment with my JMM.... |
| 23:10:48 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: not hard at all, imho |
| 23:10:56 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: are you a c programmer? |
| 23:11:18 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN:nope im a java man but i have to learn c at some stage(sys admin) |
| 23:11:42 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: read the source, hang out in this channel |
| 23:12:20 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: the language isn't the hard part |
| 23:12:36 | LinusN | it's understanding the code and the hardware |
| 23:12:37 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN:id love to get involved it looks like a really interesting project, what is the hardest part? |
| 23:12:57 | LinusN | you mean the hardest part of the code? |
| 23:13:11 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | lol no you answered my question on the next line |
| 23:14:24 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | im surprised at how stable your daily builds are, from the site i expected to hit major problems but todays one runs like a dream |
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| 23:15:02 | e-Jah | it could be a good idea to say on the rockbox site thje situation for the JMM and make an call for electronician/programmers... no ? |
| 23:16:12 | e-Jah | I'm not a professional programmer on hardware, but i would like begin help if someone can discover the specs of the JMM |
| 23:16:24 | e-Jah | (I hope you understand me :) |
| 23:17:36 | LinusN | i understand |
| 23:20:46 | e-Jah | http://www.hotmp3gear.com/ProjectAJMM40.htm −−> on this site a person change his Hard drive on his JMM ... maybe this personne can help us ? |
| 23:23:16 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: they are often stable, mostly because we don't change "dangerous" code that often anymore |
| 23:23:51 | LinusN | the shakiest part is file writing and recording at the moment |
| 23:24:04 | LinusN | e-Jah: sure |
| 23:26:06 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN:luckily i dont use the JB for that at the moment ;) |
| 23:26:23 | LinusN | Duke_Sam_Vimes: hehe |
| 23:27:14 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN:any idea why on the fly playlists will be supported? |
| 23:27:26 | LinusN | you mean when? |
| 23:27:38 | LinusN | pretty soon i guess |
| 23:27:40 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN:sorry yes |
| 23:28:03 | LinusN | christmas is low season for rockbox development :-) |
| 23:28:20 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | LinusN:excellent, thats the only part of the old OS i miss in any way although being able to boot into it make the playlist and then boot out again is a work around for the moment |
| 23:28:30 | LinusN | we have code for it, but it isn't merged into the main source |
| 23:28:57 | LinusN | ah, you mean recursive directory play? |
| 23:29:32 | LinusN | i thought you meant queue |
| 23:29:33 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | nope, the feature in the old OS where you could hold play to add files and/or directories to a playlist |
| 23:29:42 | LinusN | ok queue then |
| 23:30:07 | LinusN | i have to go now |
| 23:30:10 | LinusN | cu later |
| 23:30:14 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | thanks for the help |
| 23:30:21 | LinusN | you're welcome |
| 23:30:25 | LinusN | bye |
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| 23:35:02 | BoD[] | Hi !! |
| 23:35:12 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | hello |
| 23:36:32 | BoD[] | I have a bif problem with my recorder 20 |
| 23:36:35 | BoD[] | big |
| 23:36:52 | BoD[] | it reboots when I press a button |
| 23:37:20 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | any button? |
| 23:37:36 | BoD[] | almost |
| 23:37:46 | BoD[] | it does not happen every time |
| 23:37:53 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ouchie, im a newbie here so im probably not the best person to be talking to |
| 23:37:54 | BoD[] | but almost every time |
| 23:38:05 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | what version of rockbox are you using |
| 23:38:15 | BoD[] | well anyway it's a material problem |
| 23:38:22 | BoD[] | hardware problem I mean |
| 23:38:51 | BoD[] | because it started to do that when I didn't change the firmware |
| 23:39:17 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ah |
| 23:39:26 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | then im really the wrong person to be talking to |
| 23:39:30 | BoD[] | :) |
| 23:39:33 | BoD[] | don't worry |
| 23:39:59 | BoD[] | ... i just hope it's still under waranty |
| 23:40:23 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | how long have you had it? |
| 23:40:52 | BoD[] | well I dont remember .. I think it's less than a year but I'm not sure |
| 23:41:24 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ah, wonderful inventions arent they? ;) |
| 23:41:34 | BoD[] | hmm.. yes it has to be less than a year because I didnt have it at xmas 2001 :) |
| 23:41:53 | BoD[] | I have to send it back then |
| 23:41:59 | BoD[] | I bought it on the net |
| 23:43:01 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ouchie, that was the 1 reason i didnt buy online with something worth as much as the JB i didnt want to take chances |
| 23:44:20 | BoD[] | but it was sent from France |
| 23:44:32 | BoD[] | and I live in France, so it shouldn't be a big problem |
| 23:45:05 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ah, coming from ireland i would have had a slightly larger problem |
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| 23:46:37 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | hello |
| 23:46:42 | BoD[] | :) |
| 23:50:58 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | does anybody here know a fair bit about rockbox? |
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| 23:51:36 | PsstAie | hi |
| 23:51:43 | PsstAie | where is daniel stenberg? |
| 23:52:16 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | not a clue |
| 23:52:33 | PsstAie | ok |
| 23:52:50 | PsstAie | his website is interested |
| 23:53:04 | PsstAie | daniel stenberg = bagder |
| 23:53:18 | PsstAie | :) |
| 23:53:20 | BoD[] | duke : what do you want to know ? |
| 23:53:21 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | i know i have the page with the list of nicks open ;) |
| 23:54:01 | PsstAie | ok |
| 23:54:07 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | i have the wps code to show the position of a song in a playlist the thing is i use it even when im just playing songs directly out of directories and im wondering what position its giving me when i use it that way |
| 23:55:02 | BoD[] | hmm :) and when you try it, what position does it give to you ? |
| 23:55:41 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | at times when i play the first song in a directory it tells me that its in position 14(or some other number) of the playlist(the total playlist size is give as the amount of mp3s in the directory that are not in subdirectories) |
| 23:56:15 | BoD[] | and are you in random mode? |
| 23:56:21 | BoD[] | i mean shuffle |
| 23:56:27 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | nope |
| 23:56:44 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | it still happens when i manually select the first mp3 in a directory |
| 23:56:55 | BoD[] | because I believe that it makes a suffled playlist of the directory when you start a song... but I'm not sure |
| 23:57:26 | Duke_Sam_Vimes | ah ok now i get what you mean, 1 sec |
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