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07:26:29 | kargatron | hey, back from a 3 week vacation - anyone care to summarize rockbox changes in that time? |
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16:52:43 | diddystar5 | does anyone have a compiled ajz with the new ch8 games? |
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19:05:56 | crazybee | sup? |
19:07:06 | kargatron | dunno, been away for 3 weeks...i see the scrolling's been updated - any other changes in that period? |
19:07:37 | crazybee | I have a JBMM... so I havent paid much attention.. |
19:07:47 | crazybee | I think asteroids was ported over.. or someone has attampted |
19:11:27 | crazybee | the JBMM is pretty sweet so afr.. I am just annoyed that they did not implement USB 2.0 on the device itself.. it has a USB 2.0 mini-jack on it.. oh well |
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19:35:51 | jbp641 | you |
19:35:52 | jbp641 | yo |
19:36:10 | jbp641 | can someone help me? |
19:36:18 | kargatron | about? |
19:36:23 | jbp641 | alright, |
19:36:46 | jbp641 | is it ok to update the firmware while it is charging? |
19:37:55 | kargatron | sure |
19:37:59 | jbp641 | ok |
19:38:04 | kargatron | insofar as you have to have USB hooked up |
19:38:33 | kargatron | the .ajz file is only looked at on booting, so if you don't boot, the firmware change has no effect |
19:38:53 | jbp641 | also, why does rockbox not charge the battery fully? |
19:39:00 | jbp641 | oh ok |
19:39:24 | jbp641 | does it conserve the batteries life? |
19:39:26 | kargatron | traditionally, it was intentionally held back so as not to risk overcharging the batteries |
19:39:37 | jbp641 | ok |
19:39:55 | kargatron | but now there's a new trickle charge option, which i haven't tested, but i'm guessing that it is close to archos charging now |
19:40:01 | kargatron | nt sure tho |
19:40:13 | jbp641 | but it still gets more life with rockbox? |
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19:40:44 | kargatron | up until recently, i know that most people who wanted to top off the batts used the archos fw to charge |
19:41:04 | duke_sam_vimes | hello |
19:41:20 | kargatron | rockbox with poweroff option will probably give longest life, but that's independent of the issue of how charged your batts are |
19:43:03 | jbp641 | poweroff option? |
19:43:39 | kargatron | an option that cuts power to the disk when not in use |
19:43:46 | jbp641 | ok |
19:43:51 | jbp641 | thats good |
19:43:58 | jbp641 | sorry about all of the questions |
19:45:47 | duke_sam_vimes | kargatron:do you know would it be possible to order tracks using their ID tags? |
19:46:00 | jbp641 | that would be nice |
19:46:07 | kargatron | possible, sure |
19:46:08 | jbp641 | but it would take a while |
19:46:20 | kargatron | but would require file reading, so it's low priority afaik |
19:46:28 | duke_sam_vimes | k |
19:46:39 | kargatron | especially because you can create playlists for workarounds |
19:47:04 | kargatron | the simplest workaround is to rename the tracks in bulk using one of many tag editor/tools |
19:47:12 | duke_sam_vimes | well creating playlists for every album you have is a bit time consuming, its just something that i noticed winamp does automatically |
19:47:37 | kargatron | renaming the tracks is the quickest way, i'd think |
19:48:28 | kargatron | i'd also advise when you rip albums in the future to make the playlist then - not so painful one at a time. :) |
19:48:28 | duke_sam_vimes | ok |
19:48:46 | kargatron | you have a tag tool that will bulk rename? |
19:48:49 | duke_sam_vimes | the thing is i then have to change the playlists for the JB after that |
19:48:52 | kargatron | plenty around i think |
19:48:57 | kargatron | id3-tagit is one |
19:49:30 | duke_sam_vimes | ill go look, it isnt something im especially concerned about its just that some ablums have songs that run onto the next one so having them in order is handy |
19:50:57 | kargatron | i'm not a rockbox developer, so can't answer, but think they are low-prioritizing any requests that require mass file-reading before playing, just cuz it's time/resource-consuming |
19:51:19 | kargatron | (to read lots of files at once) |
19:52:00 | duke_sam_vimes | yes there would have to be limits to it |
19:54:44 | duke_sam_vimes | also do you happen to know if rockbox automatically creates a playlist for every directory? |
19:55:14 | kargatron | it doesn't. that sounds like a job for an offline script |
19:55:41 | kargatron | actually, i was just thinking i wanted one such to make recursive playtlists for every dir with subfolders |
19:56:16 | kargatron | just need a dir-walker script, then throw in the 'dir /s /b > pl_recursive.m3u' call |
19:56:58 | duke_sam_vimes | sorry badly worded, i noticed that when you have play set to shuffle rockbox automatically creates a playlist or at least an ordering for the songs you are playing and i was wondering does it do this for normal play as well or just play the songs as it finds them on the hard drive |
19:57:33 | kargatron | there's no 'or' there - same thing |
19:57:58 | duke_sam_vimes | not really, the first implies some sort of listing being held within rockbox |
19:58:04 | kargatron | hm, actually, not sure |
19:58:05 | duke_sam_vimes | the second is just play as you find them |
19:58:16 | kargatron | was thinking that PLAY on a folder played the contents, but now can't remember |
19:58:17 | duke_sam_vimes | it leads to the same thing but implimentation is different |
19:58:36 | duke_sam_vimes | it doesnt it opens the directory |
19:58:44 | kargatron | it certainly plays in alpha order, not physical location |
19:59:38 | duke_sam_vimes | as in alphabetical order? |
19:59:44 | kargatron | yes |
19:59:58 | duke_sam_vimes | but the files are already sorted in alphabetical order |
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20:00:30 | duke_sam_vimes | so the next physically location is also the next file alphabetically |
20:00:52 | kargatron | only if copied on that way |
20:01:10 | kargatron | i took physical location to be 'nearest stored on disk' :) |
20:01:11 | duke_sam_vimes | are all directory listings not alphabetical? |
20:01:26 | duke_sam_vimes | ah that makes more sense |
20:03:01 | kargatron | anyway, a playlist is made from teh alpha list - you can see that when you play an indiv track in a dir, and the wps playlist numbers show 1/20 (for example) |
20:03:09 | kargatron | assuming your wps shows that :) |
20:03:40 | kargatron | so the virtual pl is always the full alpha-order folder contents |
20:05:07 | duke_sam_vimes | so it does create a virtual playlist for the directory, and yep i do have wps set up like that its how i noticed the suffle thing in the first place |
20:05:24 | jbp641 | when is autoplaylist coming out? |
20:05:54 | kargatron | autopl? what's that? something mentioned above? |
20:13:13 | jbp641 | like play all of a directory |
20:13:23 | kargatron | does that now |
20:13:30 | kargatron | not recursively tho |
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20:20:38 | jbp641 | ok |
20:20:49 | jbp641 | thanks |
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20:22:05 | duke_sam_vimes | is there anywhere where i could find a full list of features in the daily builds? |
20:22:49 | hardeep | duke_sam_vimes: only by looking at the cvs commit logs |
20:23:20 | duke_sam_vimes | hardeep:where can i find those? |
20:24:35 | hardeep | duke_sam_vimes: there is a cvs command to get the info, i'm trying to remember what it is |
20:25:14 | duke_sam_vimes | thanks :) |
20:25:38 | duke_sam_vimes | im impressed at how stable the daily builds are |
20:29:54 | kargatron | well, just wait till they fiddle with something basic, then you'll have a couple days of fun :) |
20:34:27 | duke_sam_vimes | lol ;) i only got the daily build because i wanted the multi line scrolling on the wps |
20:35:20 | kargatron | daily builds have been stable (on average) for months now |
20:35:49 | duke_sam_vimes | from what the site said i was expecting something with more bugs than an alpha release |
20:36:29 | kargatron | most hardcore users are on daily builds, including the devs, so they want things to work. :) not much checking in of bad code |
20:36:55 | duke_sam_vimes | is there any idea when 1.5 will be released? |
20:37:38 | kargatron | think they're skipping to 2.0 |
20:38:17 | duke_sam_vimes | ah |
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21:49:22 | diddystar5 | hello |
21:50:27 | duke_sam_vimes | hello |
21:51:19 | diddystar5 | do you have a compiled ajz with the new games? |
21:52:22 | duke_sam_vimes | lol no, im in hte process of learning how to add patches |
21:53:22 | diddystar5 | hehe befor rockbox i didn't even know what "c" was |
21:55:26 | duke_sam_vimes | i have to learn c++ anyway but rockbox is encouraging me to branch out to c as well |
21:55:50 | duke_sam_vimes | a pity java was my first language instead of c++ |
21:56:26 | Hadaka | it's important to know the differences between c and c++ - and the programming styles in both - everything else will come together |
21:58:04 | duke_sam_vimes | yeah i know, i have to learn c for theoretical physics and c++ for sys admin work |
21:58:42 | duke_sam_vimes | i just have to get out of 2 years worth of java habits first ;) |
21:58:50 | diddystar5 | im just barely know much about c or c++ |
21:59:46 | duke_sam_vimes | c++ is just c with OO bits bolted on right?(and some changes in synthx) |
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22:00:39 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: well, roughly so |
22:04:48 | diddystar5 | does anyone know how to get the convbdf.exe to work? |
22:06:07 | diddystar5 | i have a lot of bdf fonts toconvert |
22:09:40 | duke_sam_vimes | how different are the recorder and player versions of the JB? |
22:10:01 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: like day and night, imho |
22:10:20 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: though the newer players are different again |
22:10:52 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:but rockbox managed to get firmware working for both? |
22:11:15 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: yeah - the internals are not _that_ different still |
22:12:01 | Hadaka | same processor, similar decoder chips, similar usb chips etc. |
22:12:27 | duke_sam_vimes | ah |
22:12:32 | Hadaka | but the recorders have a hugely better display, lots more buttons, controllable charger, real time clock, etc. |
22:14:33 | duke_sam_vimes | yeah i got that from the archos specs(its why i got the recorder instead of the player) |
22:15:54 | diddystar5 | hewwo convbdf how do you make it work? |
22:15:54 | Hadaka | nods |
22:16:16 | Hadaka | diddystar5: sorry, haven't even seen a windows machine in ages |
22:16:35 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: which model did you get? |
22:16:42 | duke_sam_vimes | most convert to linux |
22:17:22 | duke_sam_vimes | hadaka:i got the recorder20 |
22:17:42 | duke_sam_vimes | a that stage my Mp3 collection was already 10+ Gb so the 10 Gb version was no use |
22:18:30 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: perfect choice - it's the only model which has USB2.0 |
22:18:54 | Hadaka | the HD size is relatively immaterial, since you can change it to a 40Gb or 60Gb drive yourself anyway |
22:19:23 | diddystar5 | i wish i had linux :( |
22:19:26 | duke_sam_vimes | hadaka:i thought that all the recorders had USB2.0? and its not much use to me since the last USB2.0 PCI card i tried to install did rather interesting things to my case |
22:20:05 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: nope, only the recorder 20 has USB2.0 - even the recorder 15 (which is a weird model) still has only USB1.1 |
22:20:25 | duke_sam_vimes | hmmm archos dont advertise that |
22:20:26 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: yeah, but having the possibility to use USB2.0 where it's available rocks |
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22:21:08 | duke_sam_vimes | true |
22:21:08 | diddystar5 | hehe if i had usb 1.1 i'd just take the hd out and use ide |
22:21:28 | duke_sam_vimes | diddystar5: that would just be more hassle than its worth |
22:21:42 | duke_sam_vimes | it would also mean getting the adapter |
22:21:49 | diddystar5 | to transfer 15 gigs on the 15 r i would |
22:22:01 | diddystar5 | allready have the adapter :) |
22:22:16 | duke_sam_vimes | leave it overnight, thats what i did for the recorder |
22:22:30 | diddystar5 | im not patient :( |
22:23:03 | duke_sam_vimes | diddystar5:its something to learn, comes in handy when dealing with computers or waiting a weekend for a kernel to compile |
22:23:44 | diddystar5 | im only 12 i don't have that kinda patience! |
22:24:04 | duke_sam_vimes | diddystar5:ah ok, dont worry it will come in time ;) |
22:26:29 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:what version of linux are you using? |
22:28:07 | duke_sam_vimes | or rather i should say what release |
22:28:09 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: um, debian unstable, 2.4.19 kernel |
22:28:18 | diddystar5 | i hope to get my own computer soon so i can install red hat 8 |
22:28:18 | Hadaka | distribution is a good word |
22:28:55 | Hadaka | even though a bit inaccurate, but still |
22:29:22 | duke_sam_vimes | *sigh* once i get this bloody home network working im hoping to get everything dual booting a unix/linux distro |
22:30:17 | duke_sam_vimes | the joys of having family members who insist on using XP |
22:30:49 | diddystar5 | xp is a cursed operating system |
22:31:06 | duke_sam_vimes | diddystar5:the profession release isnt too bad, and it is better than ME |
22:31:12 | Hadaka | no family member should insist on using a certain OS - only insist on having certain features |
22:31:30 | diddystar5 | hey i like my me puter :( |
22:31:56 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:they enjoy using what they know, and ME has huge issues not least of which is bleeding RAM off and not giving it back |
22:32:20 | duke_sam_vimes | i will hopefully get kde or gnome set up and they will see its not that different |
22:32:25 | diddystar5 | xp dosen't have dos |
22:32:38 | Hadaka | you could run vmware and xp inside it ;) |
22:32:50 | Hadaka | (or plex86, for that matter) |
22:33:16 | duke_sam_vimes | diddystar5:and MEs version isnt exactly great either, ive gotten dos programmes to work under the emulation mode on XP that just crash out in ME |
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22:34:29 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:ever had any experience of using solaris? |
22:35:31 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: yes |
22:36:06 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:what are your impressions of it? |
22:37:16 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: the x86 version sucks - Solaris in general is a decent unix, one of the best proprietary unixes |
22:38:08 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:hmmm, it was the version i was thinking of going for since its also the version i have to sys admin for(Solaris 8) |
22:39:12 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: if you wish to learn solaris, the x86 version is good for that - but it's not what I'd put on an x86 if I was seriously using it for something |
22:39:48 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:what would you suggest for a first time install? |
22:40:28 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: well if you have to sysadmin solaris, you might just as well go for solaris x86 - and get the hang of things there |
22:41:26 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: then after that, the first time install is whatever your friends can assist you with - it varies what's the prevalent distribution among your friends |
22:42:08 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: and after that make your own choice of the best distribution |
22:44:04 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:thats one bonus of solaris, a friend of mines brother works on OS developement for sun, apart from that i rather large group of friends in the post grad section of the CS dept. so linux/unix help isnt too far away |
22:44:45 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: yeah, go for solaris in the beginning then - at first, it doesn't matter as much |
22:46:13 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:i figured that much, if you are going to screw your OS up messing with it, it doesnt particularly matter which one... as long as you have backups |
22:46:34 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: oh and when picking a unix/linux for real, don't ignore FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD either |
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22:46:53 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:i think one of my friends uses one of those |
22:46:56 | ratdog | Hello |
22:47:19 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:oh and which would you pick first, kde or gnome? |
22:47:25 | duke_sam_vimes | ratdog:hello |
22:48:35 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: well, it depends on the distribution a bit - which one is better supported in that - but I've never really enjoyed kde, so I use gnome when I use something like that |
22:49:42 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:thanks for the advice |
22:49:48 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: no problem. |
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23:06:52 | duke_sam_vimes | is it possible to defrag a jukebox? |
23:09:59 | Hadaka | duke_sam_vimes: under USB, it acts as a normal IDE drive with a normal FAT filesystem - just defrag it just as you would any disk |
23:10:32 | duke_sam_vimes | Hadaka:thanks |
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