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| 09:39:14 | ricII | what button on the player I could use to togle 'wrap' in the fileviewer ? |
| 09:40:41 | ricII | I setteld for f2 on the recorder.. |
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| 10:17:26 | ricII | hi |
| 10:17:49 | kargatron | morning (here) |
| 10:18:34 | ricII | same here, working on a wrap function for the fileviewer.. |
| 10:19:43 | ricII | it's working except for the last line.. |
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| 10:31:58 | kargatron | realistically, what do people use the file viewer for? I can't imagine reading anything substantive on that screen... |
| 10:34:05 | ricII | the manual? :) |
| 10:36:39 | ricII | next step would be to make an editor so we can edit our wsp files... |
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| 10:56:48 | kargatron | finally got around to getting a script to create recursive playtlists for all directories with subfolders in them - satisfies the occasional request for rockbox to do it virtually. worth posting to the mailing list, you think? |
| 10:58:48 | ricII | maybe there sould be a contrib/ in cvs? |
| 10:59:22 | kargatron | a script repository? |
| 10:59:47 | kargatron | maybe. |
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| 11:02:55 | ricII | but there is already easytag.. |
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| 11:08:27 | kargatron | easytag? |
| 11:09:50 | ricII | easytag - viewing, editing and writing ID3 tags of MP3 and Ogg files.. |
| 11:10:14 | kargatron | what's that in reference to? |
| 11:10:20 | ricII | http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:10:34 | ricII | writing playlists aswell |
| 11:11:01 | kargatron | writing playlists is trivial - i was just referring to having recursive playlists for any folder you want. |
| 11:11:37 | kargatron | you either do that dynamically, which rockbox doesn't, or globally all at once. no one wants to make them individually. :) |
| 11:12:15 | ricII | hmm not sure if I understand it well. |
| 11:12:56 | kargatron | Let's say you want to shuffle play all the albums at once under Alternative/Beck |
| 11:13:10 | kargatron | you can't do that with rockbox atm without an extant playlist |
| 11:13:29 | kargatron | the script simply creates those recursive playlists for every folder in your tree |
| 11:13:31 | kargatron | that's all |
| 11:13:43 | kargatron | most people have album playlists, but not arbitrarily recursive ones |
| 11:14:35 | ricII | so it's creates a playlist in every directory |
| 11:14:44 | kargatron | every applicable directory, yes |
| 11:14:57 | kargatron | only those with subfolders |
| 11:15:18 | kargatron | no use to create them in folderless folders, since rockbox already creates virtual playlists for those |
| 11:15:31 | kargatron | it's just a treewalker + 'dir' command. nothing special. |
| 11:15:59 | kargatron | but people hvae been asking for recursive shuffle, and it's not high on the priority list, afaik |
| 11:18:53 | ricII | aha, once the 'anonymous playlist' is working this will be redundant. |
| 11:19:18 | kargatron | anon pl? |
| 11:19:37 | kargatron | is there a submitted patch for recursive shuffling? |
| 11:19:59 | kargatron | of course, rockbox already creates 'anonymous playlists' for any folder you PLAY |
| 11:20:10 | kargatron | they're just not recursive |
| 11:20:10 | ricII | cvs:/firmware/test/wavet/README.playlists |
| 11:21:02 | ricII | s/wavet/wavey/ |
| 11:25:26 | kargatron | given the apr30 date, you can see why i noted 'not high on the priority list' :) |
| 11:25:36 | ricII | that would implement a proper queing function :) |
| 11:27:13 | kargatron | queueing is high priority tho |
| 11:27:44 | kargatron | not that high priority maps to what's actually done, necessarily :) |
| 11:29:28 | ricII | hmm, so I take it no one is working on it? |
| 11:31:02 | kargatron | not sure atm |
| 11:31:23 | kargatron | there are queueing patches, but latest i heard was that the ideal interface had not been decided on |
| 11:31:58 | kargatron | zagor didn't want to put in something half-assed, or that would be replaced later by something else |
| 11:32:00 | ricII | but the where limited to 8 songs :( |
| 11:34:32 | ricII | option c and 'save playlist' would be ideal not ? |
| 11:36:00 | kargatron | not following - are you talking about queueing? |
| 11:37:06 | ricII | yes, in the anonymous playlist |
| 11:38:36 | kargatron | the interface issues are more about browsing and choosing songs to queue, that's what's undecided, i think. |
| 11:38:56 | kargatron | i don't think they want to mimic the archos queue. |
| 11:38:57 | ricII | the code is already there? |
| 11:39:11 | kargatron | but this is just secondhand - i'm not involved. |
| 11:39:32 | kargatron | the queue code? there is a queue patch, but i know nothing more. afaik, there's no accepted code for it |
| 11:39:56 | ricII | the f2 & f3 buttons have rather useless functions now in the file-browser... |
| 11:40:33 | ricII | they could be restriced to the wspdisplay |
| 11:42:21 | kargatron | bl |
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| 15:26:32 | goodzilla | Hello there, is there somebody? |
| 15:26:41 | ricII | yes |
| 15:27:21 | goodzilla | Well, new to mIrc, *almost* new to my AJB rec, I still try to put my question |
| 15:28:30 | goodzilla | My AJB Rec stops transferring files after a while... just like if it was running only on batteries, although it's powered. |
| 15:28:56 | ricII | I only have my ajb-rec for 4 days :) |
| 15:29:07 | goodzilla | I saw a few lines on this in yesterday's logs, but not much precisions |
| 15:29:17 | goodzilla | Thats a great piece of hardware ! |
| 15:29:56 | kargatron | goodzilla, some people have that problem, yeah |
| 15:29:59 | kargatron | undiagnosed, afaik |
| 15:30:19 | kargatron | i seem to see it myself - batteries seem to run down on USB, even plugged in |
| 15:30:36 | kargatron | have not had the misfortune of losing power during long dl |
| 15:30:40 | kargatron | you have usb2.0? |
| 15:30:56 | ricII | didn't see it yet. (and transferd 3gb at once) |
| 15:30:57 | Hadaka | I have the problem of running down on batteries with USB, even plugged in |
| 15:31:09 | goodzilla | At home, yes. But machines whetre I transfer generally are USB1 (friends...) |
| 15:31:55 | goodzilla | i speak of *big* transfers - around 10GB |
| 15:32:13 | kargatron | not sure if there is a solution known for that |
| 15:32:18 | goodzilla | So it takes hours (2 to 4 hours with usb 1) |
| 15:32:27 | kargatron | Hadaka, you hear of any diagnoses? |
| 15:33:14 | goodzilla | I saw that plugging USB before or after switching on makes a different display, using Rockbox. |
| 15:33:34 | Hadaka | kargatron: well I have my ideas |
| 15:33:36 | goodzilla | So i guess the mgmt is different - well maybe - I didn't try all combinations yet |
| 15:34:13 | goodzilla | ideas? I'm interested :) |
| 15:34:20 | ricII | goodzilla: usb is done by rockbox.. |
| 15:35:18 | goodzilla | ricII: So, rockbox is "running", while USB is on ? |
| 15:35:42 | goodzilla | I thought that the software was inactive when USBing |
| 15:35:54 | kargatron | can be, not necessarily |
| 15:35:59 | kargatron | depends on when you hook usb up |
| 15:36:19 | kargatron | rockbox handles usb when usb plugged in after rockbox has booted |
| 15:36:42 | kargatron | but if you plug in power from OFF, that's archos, then plug in USB, still archos |
| 15:37:14 | goodzilla | That's why the logo is different - good idea, btw, to have made a different logo. |
| 15:37:27 | ricII | just like charging |
| 15:38:53 | goodzilla | i didn't notice that yet. I'll see that when back home, seems that there is a lot to discover by ourselves, since the doc is *really* end-user "click on record to record..." ;) |
| 15:39:28 | * | ricII is hacking around in keyboard.c |
| 15:40:20 | goodzilla | btw, I didn't install the archos usb drivers. Just Windows default drivers. Don't know if this could make a difference |
| 15:41:01 | goodzilla | Also, I have to verify if this problem arises with USB 2.0 as well. I've bought the USB2 card along with the AJBRec. |
| 15:41:48 | dwihno | I want USB2 with my laptop |
| 15:41:54 | dwihno | It's expensive :( |
| 15:41:57 | dwihno | I need a donor ;) |
| 15:42:28 | kargatron | usb2 will 'resolve' the problem only by being much faster, therefore finishing before batts exhausted :) |
| 15:43:06 | goodzilla | hé hé - I had USB1, and I did a transfer test just before installing the USB2 card. 10x difference. That's great. 10 to 12MB/sec instead of 1MB/sec |
| 15:43:43 | goodzilla | That's still far from the 60MB/sec promised, but well.... |
| 15:43:47 | ricII | I need a firewire2usb2 thingy.. |
| 15:44:27 | goodzilla | Laptops with USB2 are not cheap ones |
| 15:44:49 | kargatron | 10-12 is typical the 60 is theoretical, if nothing else (like the rest of the computer) gets in the way |
| 15:44:54 | ricII | goodzilla hd could't handle that.. |
| 15:45:12 | Hadaka | well, the hd inside archos can hardly transfer 60 |
| 15:45:41 | goodzilla | Yep, 20GB is max for my PC drives (U2W scsi, and IDE) |
| 15:46:28 | kargatron | Hadaka, what are your power-drain 'ideas'? |
| 15:46:34 | goodzilla | 20MB/sec, not 20GB ;} |
| 15:46:38 | dwihno | goodzilla: an USB2connect card from adaptec is not that expensive |
| 15:46:44 | dwihno | (for laptops) :) |
| 15:46:56 | ricII | got customfont working in kbd_input() now I need a solution for realy big fonts.. |
| 15:47:32 | Hadaka | kargatron: well, for example, it seems to keep on trickle charging even though battery drain increases immensely |
| 15:48:18 | kargatron | couldn't they have designed it to bypass the batts entirely when plugged in? annoying |
| 15:48:28 | Hadaka | kargatron: the charger cannot power the hd alone |
| 15:48:30 | ricII | Hadaka: that sounds plausible |
| 15:49:58 | kargatron | charger can't alone? what does HD require? surprised |
| 15:50:07 | goodzilla | hadaka: the charger + USB power should be enough for powering the HD, I think I saw external usb disks that just plug in USB |
| 15:50:39 | Hadaka | goodzilla: archos doesn't use USB power at all |
| 15:50:44 | ricII | I meant the trickle thing |
| 15:51:40 | ricII | the powersuply delivers a 1.2amps.. |
| 15:51:54 | Hadaka | ricII: there's a regulator before that |
| 15:52:07 | goodzilla | Ok, clear to me now. Ext power is just for batteries. am i right? |
| 15:52:14 | Hadaka | goodzilla: no |
| 15:52:30 | Hadaka | goodzilla: boot up archos, plug charger in, remove batteries |
| 15:52:40 | Hadaka | goodzilla: unit still works, backlight works, but HD can't spin up |
| 15:52:50 | goodzilla | ok |
| 15:53:00 | Hadaka | goodzilla: if you try it either fails or causes a reboot with the power-loss |
| 15:53:41 | ricII | ok that would mean that evently power would always fail if the hd keeps spinning. |
| 15:54:18 | Hadaka | ricII: well if the hd is spun repeatedly |
| 15:54:30 | goodzilla | amazing... hd runs from batteries, that are charged by ext power |
| 15:54:34 | ricII | like large usb transfers.. |
| 15:54:54 | goodzilla | but if HD don't stop, batts are getting lower and lower, even if charging |
| 15:55:09 | Hadaka | oh, don't mix removal of the batteries with the charging with usb problem |
| 15:55:12 | Hadaka | separate things |
| 15:55:31 | goodzilla | Yes - I did the confusion a few lines ago 8) |
| 15:55:42 | ricII | yes not charging properly only makes things worse |
| 15:56:06 | Hadaka | there is a real problem with USB mode and charging in general |
| 15:56:24 | Hadaka | since |
| 15:56:27 | Hadaka | think about this |
| 15:56:32 | kargatron | so does this mean that there might be diffs in behavior during usb between archos and rockbox? |
| 15:56:39 | Hadaka | if you use the HD a lot, it draws a lot of power |
| 15:56:55 | ricII | kargatron archos sould have the same prob. |
| 15:57:02 | Hadaka | so, either you end up continuously charging and discharging the battery at the same time |
| 15:57:06 | Hadaka | ricII: no |
| 15:57:14 | Hadaka | which heats up the unit a lot, and I think damages the batteries |
| 15:57:37 | ricII | Hadaka: apart from the trickle charging.. |
| 15:57:40 | ricII | not? |
| 15:57:53 | Hadaka | or you need to do something similar to deep-discharge and hope the charger can charge the batteries enough even when using the HD |
| 15:58:42 | goodzilla | i saw a hardware mod request for taking power from usb - I think that would be a good thing, along with the ext power. I mean, ext power + batteries + usb power should be enough for just spinning the HD ? |
| 15:58:44 | Hadaka | ricII: the charging algoritmh (when to have the charger on and when not) is different on archos and rockbox - that matters |
| 15:58:50 | kargatron | but not everyone sees this problem, isn't that right? |
| 15:59:01 | Hadaka | goodzilla: USB power would solve things |
| 15:59:24 | ricII | usb-power is after the regulator ? |
| 15:59:26 | Hadaka | kargatron: the problem in general does exist on everybody - how it manifests itself is a bit different |
| 15:59:46 | Hadaka | the unit doesn't use USB-power at all - while it could use it to power the HD if it were wired that way |
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| 16:00:49 | goodzilla | The response to the guy who posted the hw mod said that this would involve too much modifications. I wouldn't mind doing these modifications, if this guaranties endless running time. I'm very disapointed with this power mgmt. |
| 16:01:14 | ricII | hd needs ~300ma, isn't that a little to much for usb? |
| 16:01:30 | goodzilla | I mean, having a 20GB hd (soon, 40GB) is not very useful if you can't transfer the totality in one shot. |
| 16:02:08 | kargatron | at least usb2 is a workaround! without that, thbbth |
| 16:02:26 | Hadaka | well, I think I'll discuss this with linus some more |
| 16:02:37 | Hadaka | see what his thoughts are on the matter |
| 16:02:50 | goodzilla | Maybe we could use USB+ext power *only* when power cord is plugged... or just use as much power as possible from usb, the rest from batteries |
| 16:03:34 | goodzilla | I don't know electronics, but I guess that taking power from where it is is feasible |
| 16:03:58 | goodzilla | thanks for you lights on this |
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| 19:45:03 | LA | hello |
| 19:45:25 | ricII | hi |
| 19:45:39 | LA | i see you guys are pretty hardcore into the Archos.. |
| 19:46:07 | ricII | not me, got the thing only 5 days :) |
| 19:46:14 | LA | ahh |
| 19:46:23 | LA | I just got myself a Multimedia 20 |
| 19:46:36 | ricII | but already hacking around in the code.. |
| 19:46:46 | LA | I'm trying to figure out what 4 of the pins they use on the bottom connector to use for the USB 2.0 transfer |
| 19:47:03 | LA | I refuse to pay them $50 for a cable for USB 2.0 connectivity |
| 19:47:15 | LA | I was hoping someone here had the pinouts on the MM20 |
| 19:49:29 | ricII | I wonder why archos didn't put them on the normal usb conn. they use the same.. |
| 19:49:53 | LA | well, my guess is because they are rather greedy, but that's just my guess ;) |
| 19:50:07 | ricII | ;) |
| 19:51:22 | LA | i've attempted to disassemble my MM20 to have a look at the PCB, but i'm not sure I can get it apart, and then put it back together. |
| 19:53:21 | ricII | maybe the put a temperswitch in it... |
| 19:54:04 | LA | i'm not so much worried about that. it's the damn little rubber corners on it. they way they are designed, it seems to be a total pain in the ass to put them back in. |
| 19:54:23 | LA | like i said, i was hoping someone here already has the pinouts :) |
| 19:55:21 | ricII | not me, I only fiddle with the rockbox firmware |
| 19:55:35 | LA | what version do you have? |
| 19:55:46 | ricII | rockbox ? |
| 19:56:05 | LA | no, of the archos |
| 19:56:35 | ricII | 1.28 or something... |
| 19:56:51 | LA | no no.. i mean, do you have the jukebox, recorder, multimedia? |
| 19:56:57 | ricII | rec |
| 19:57:04 | LA | ahh. |
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| 19:58:45 | ricII | seemd a better deal for me that the MM |
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| 20:01:16 | LA | i bought the MM20 mainly because of the photo modules |
| 20:01:43 | LA | i'm huge into digital photography and having a portable 20g disc with a CF Reader was a very nice feature |
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| 20:12:56 | Winkie-xC- | Heya guys, are there any future plans to expand the range of archos' supported? |
| 20:13:07 | Winkie-xC- | I kinda wish i'd bought a supported one now :/ |
| 20:14:14 | LA | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#67 |
| 20:14:25 | Winkie-xC- | I did read, but I wasn't sure if it meant the future, or just now. |
| 20:14:47 | LA | i dunno. i just know what the FAQ's say ;) |
| 20:14:49 | Winkie-xC- | it's somewhat.. ambiguous |
| 20:14:51 | Winkie-xC- | fair enough |
| 20:14:57 | Winkie-xC- | I want games on my FM recorder damnit :ol |
| 20:17:04 | Winkie-xC- | any of the dev team in here much? |
| 20:19:51 | adi|work | yeah... |
| 20:19:55 | adi|work | regularly |
| 20:20:01 | adi|work | and the channel is logged |
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| 20:42:42 | Hes | The FM "almost" works, as soon as a good developer gets his hands on an FM unit, or one of the FM owners with the required skill set opens up his unit and draws some schematic diagrams, it'll be supported. |
| 20:43:43 | Winkie-xC- | Hes, what's needed? |
| 20:43:59 | Winkie-xC- | I have a reasonable amount of electronic experience, but my coding below perl/pascal level is minute |
| 20:44:07 | Winkie-xC- | minute as in experience |
| 20:44:14 | Hes | Donate an FM, or borrow yours for some surgic operations, to the rockbox project... |
| 20:44:30 | Winkie-xC- | Donate £250s worth, nah ;) .. are there any UK developers? |
| 20:44:37 | Winkie-xC- | I mean what sort of schematics? |
| 20:45:44 | Hes | Of the internals. Check what's up on http://rockbox.haxx.se/schematics/ |
| 20:46:29 | Hes | those were hand-drawn by looking at the unit, identifying each component and measuring the wirings by hand |
| 20:47:23 | Winkie-xC- | trace lengths important then? what degree of accuracy? |
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| 20:48:01 | Hes | Nope, they're not important... just need to know what is connected where |
| 20:48:05 | Winkie-xC- | ah fair enough |
| 20:48:22 | Winkie-xC- | you think that an incredibly high res picture/scan would be appropriate? |
| 20:48:25 | Winkie-xC- | (i'm lazy :o) |
| 20:48:27 | Hes | Talk to one of the core developers, they might only need specific details and not the full story from the beginning |
| 20:48:32 | Hes | That would definetely help |
| 20:49:03 | Winkie-xC- | well I will have a decent scanner soon, but I have a camera which can interpolate up to 3200x2??? |
| 20:49:27 | Winkie-xC- | http://www.randompc.com/private_images/P1010002.JPG |
| 20:49:33 | Winkie-xC- | that's the sort of images it can do, that's a pretty bad shot though |
| 20:50:24 | LA | Hes - Do you know if anyone in Rockbox has any exp. with the Multimedia 20? I'm looking to get a list of the pinouts on the bottom connector |
| 20:50:34 | LA | i refuse to pay $50 USD for a cable to get USB 2.0 |
| 20:50:48 | Winkie-xC- | pinouts non-standard? |
| 20:51:08 | Hes | Talk to LinusN & zagor, they probably have questions about the internals |
| 20:51:33 | Hes | grab a set of photos and put them on the web & tell the mailing list, it would probably help quite a bit. |
| 20:51:45 | Hes | LA: nope, I don't |
| 20:51:46 | LA | it's not to much that they are non-standard, it's because they used a Micro Centronics 36 connector on the bottom of the unit |
| 20:52:00 | Winkie-xC- | and this is a problem why? |
| 20:52:02 | LA | i have 36 possible conductors to go off of |
| 20:52:06 | Winkie-xC- | ah |
| 20:52:09 | LA | usb 2.0 only uses 4.. |
| 20:52:14 | Winkie-xC- | indeed |
| 20:52:17 | Hes | hum, so there's no separate USB connector at all? |
| 20:52:25 | LA | there is, but it's only 1.1 |
| 20:52:35 | LA | mini-usb jack on the side of the unit |
| 20:52:39 | Winkie-xC- | hmm, are 2 of the wires +ve and -ve? |
| 20:52:39 | Hes | and USB2.0 is on the uD connector?? |
| 20:52:48 | Hes | Mostly strange |
| 20:53:11 | Hes | The Recorder 20 has USB (1.1 & 2.0 support) on the same mini-USB |
| 20:53:18 | LA | MC36 connector on the bottom of the unit. they use the MC36 connector for the photo modules (Smart media and CF card readers), their MPEG4 camera, firewire cables, and USB 2.0 cables |
| 20:53:32 | Winkie-xC- | LA, are 2 of the wires in the usb spec gnd/-ve and +ve? |
| 20:53:46 | LA | yes, i think they got greedy on the MM20 though.. requiring a $50 cable for usb 2.0 or $50 for a firewire cable |
| 20:53:57 | LA | winkie, i'm not sure |
| 20:54:13 | Winkie-xC- | i'd crack it open, check traces for the +ve and GND connectors, should be easyish to find, and then guess at the other 2, but then again, I do have a lot of hardware that doesn't work :/ |
| 20:54:14 | LA | i'm going to tear apart the MM20 to take a look at the PCB, but i'm not sure if i can get it all back together ;) |
| 20:54:45 | Winkie-xC- | usb spec only has +ve, gnd, data+ and data- |
| 20:55:00 | Winkie-xC- | I doubt there's much current flowing so I doubt you could do any damage having it the wrong way around, checking usb 2 now |
| 20:55:24 | ricII | LA: maybe they put a firewire/usb2 chip in the cable and mc36 is just a pcmcia slot? |
| 20:55:55 | Winkie-xC- | hmm that is possible |
| 20:56:01 | Winkie-xC- | you ever seen one of these cables LA? |
| 20:56:06 | LA | that's a possiblity, but i'm not sure |
| 20:56:27 | LA | unfortunately i haven't. if i had, i would have ohmed it out :) |
| 20:56:34 | ricII | since a cfcard is actuly a pcmcia card.. |
| 20:56:54 | LA | http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500339.html |
| 20:57:05 | LA | there isn't a box or anything in the middle of the cable |
| 20:57:14 | LA | but the head is larger.. |
| 20:57:17 | Winkie-xC- | plenty of room for an IC inside the head |
| 20:57:23 | LA | but on the other hand, every MC36 cable is about that side |
| 20:57:29 | Winkie-xC- | true |
| 20:57:30 | LA | size rather |
| 20:57:41 | Winkie-xC- | best thing I can suggest, is find a stockist, pop down and ask to just test their cable |
| 20:57:46 | Winkie-xC- | a lot of guys will be cool about that |
| 20:57:55 | LA | no one locally sells them |
| 20:58:08 | LA | in fact, i can't even find a website other than archos themselves that sells the cables |
| 20:58:19 | LA | which is another thing that leads me to believe it's a straigh through cable |
| 20:58:43 | LA | if they weren't worried about people making their own cables, they would sell it everywhere they sell the MM20 |
| 20:58:53 | Winkie-xC- | first thing is I suggest cracking the box, flipping the PCB and checking it out |
| 20:59:02 | LA | yeah, that's on the agenda |
| 20:59:04 | Winkie-xC- | +ve and gnd should be /fairly/ easy to find |
| 20:59:22 | ricII | nah, take apart the cfcard adapter if it's just a plug changes are that the cm32 is just a pcmcia slot.. |
| 20:59:51 | Winkie-xC- | oh yeah, shit, it's a multifunction port |
| 20:59:55 | Winkie-xC- | sorry, i'm an idiot |
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| 21:00:08 | Winkie-xC- | ric is right, you're going to have a problem identifying pinouts unless you can spot a controller chip |
| 21:00:16 | LA | hrmm.. |
| 21:00:22 | LA | brb.. gonna grab my CF reader |
| 21:01:14 | Winkie-xC- | who knows, if you're lucky you may be able to spot 2 unused pins ;) |
| 21:01:41 | ricII | maybe he could hookup a ethernet card :) |
| 21:02:22 | Winkie-xC- | heh |
| 21:02:34 | Winkie-xC- | you could probably hack the firmware to get it on a network you know? |
| 21:02:49 | Winkie-xC- | 1/2 duplex stuff only needs 2 wires |
| 21:02:58 | Winkie-xC- | simplex? |
| 21:04:18 | ricII | if I where archos I would have gone for the pcmcia option, lots of ready made stuff there.. |
| 21:04:56 | Winkie-xC- | lots of open spec stuff, non propriatory |
| 21:05:17 | Winkie-xC- | reminds me of the old psalm stuff, they sold a £25 connection cable, it was a standard cable with the pins shifted |
| 21:07:07 | LA | well, there is indeed an 8pin IC chip in the CF reader |
| 21:08:33 | ricII | LA: well a cfcard is just a small pcmcia card so ... |
| 21:09:01 | Winkie-xC- | la, it got it's model printed on it/ |
| 21:09:28 | LA | the IC? |
| 21:09:45 | Winkie-xC- | yeah |
| 21:09:49 | Winkie-xC- | you might be able to find what it actually is |
| 21:10:05 | LA | that's what i'm working on right now |
| 21:12:54 | LA | damnit |
| 21:13:06 | LA | there is a site that has a listing of a ton of IC's and what they are used for |
| 21:13:11 | LA | i can't remember it for the life of me |
| 21:22:13 | Winkie-xC- | heh, just found out the jukebox fm recorder is a lith ion/polymer battery |
| 21:22:13 | Winkie-xC- | odd |
| 21:22:25 | LA | yup |
| 21:22:29 | LA | same with the MM20 |
| 21:23:23 | Winkie-xC- | god knows when i'll get mine |
| 21:23:26 | Winkie-xC- | need it in the next week really |
| 21:24:33 | Winkie-xC- | dabs.com suck though ;) |
| 21:26:00 | LA | UK site? |
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| 21:27:39 | LA | ah |
| 21:27:43 | LA | i found out what the IC is |
| 21:27:57 | LinusN | what is it? |
| 21:28:01 | LA | it's a 3.3v voltrage regulator |
| 21:28:06 | LA | err.. voltage ;) |
| 21:28:11 | LinusN | aha, what model number? |
| 21:28:25 | LA | it's a national semi 2829-3.3 |
| 21:28:46 | LinusN | ok |
| 21:28:55 | LA | so, i'm guessing that the interface is more than likely PCMCIA. but it could still be proprietray |
| 21:29:04 | LA | i really need to just open it up and take a look at the PCB |
| 21:29:08 | LinusN | from what i have heard, the USB2.0 adapter has some IC:s on it as well |
| 21:29:18 | LA | oh really? |
| 21:29:26 | LinusN | yup |
| 21:29:38 | LA | umm.. how did you know what we were talking about anyhow..? |
| 21:29:49 | LinusN | the irc sessions are logged |
| 21:30:04 | LA | doh.. i forgot that you guys have a real time txt log |
| 21:30:19 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/ |
| 21:30:27 | LinusN | handy |
| 21:30:35 | Winkie-xC- | LinusN, question for you regarding the jukebox recorder FM 20 thingymebub |
| 21:30:44 | LinusN | ok |
| 21:30:47 | Winkie-xC- | would pictures of the entire internals come in handy? |
| 21:30:57 | Winkie-xC- | and is there anything like anywhere nearing any support at all as far as you know? |
| 21:31:04 | LinusN | yes, but it won't be enough |
| 21:31:23 | Winkie-xC- | what would you need aswell? |
| 21:31:30 | LinusN | Winkie-xC-: we are kind of stuck, since we don't know enough about how the hardware is designed |
| 21:31:41 | LinusN | we need schematics |
| 21:32:14 | LinusN | someone must open it up and find out which pin is connected to what |
| 21:32:28 | LinusN | like we did on the other models |
| 21:32:41 | Winkie-xC- | so you'd want a full schematic? |
| 21:32:59 | Winkie-xC- | hmm, i'll see if I can do anything, but i'm not as experienced as you guys |
| 21:33:13 | Winkie-xC- | how much work would it be to add in support if you were given a full schematic? |
| 21:34:03 | LinusN | Winkie-xC-: not necessarily full |
| 21:34:27 | LinusN | we suspect that they are pretty alike |
| 21:34:48 | LinusN | the LCD and the battery interface are important |
| 21:34:56 | Winkie-xC- | well what i'll do is, when I get mine (1-3 days according to dabs), i'll crack it open, take high res shots of the entire boards, i'll try and get in every connection and trace, then send it off to you / upload? you can shout me for any specifics you want? |
| 21:35:07 | Winkie-xC- | yeah, it's a lith ion instead of normal nimh |
| 21:35:15 | LinusN | if we were given a full schematic it shouldn't be hard at all |
| 21:35:33 | Winkie-xC- | well my electronic equipment at the moment is limited to a multimeter or two, soldering irons and a large mallet |
| 21:35:36 | LinusN | Winkie-xC-: i can draw the schematic if you want |
| 21:35:46 | Winkie-xC- | from the photographs? |
| 21:35:50 | LinusN | just create a netlist |
| 21:35:55 | Winkie-xC- | netlist? |
| 21:36:11 | LinusN | IC1pin1 -> IC2pin3 |
| 21:36:18 | LinusN | or the like |
| 21:36:36 | LinusN | with the multimeter |
| 21:36:37 | Winkie-xC- | i'll see what I can do, hardest bit will be making sure I dont go over any more than once |
| 21:36:59 | Winkie-xC- | brb (gotta use the loo) |
| 21:37:11 | LinusN | the hires photos are indeed interesting to identify the chips |
| 21:37:27 | LA | i've got a quick non technical question for you guys.. |
| 21:37:38 | LA | why do UK sites list 2 prices? |
| 21:37:43 | LA | £168.00 |
| 21:37:43 | LA | £197.39 |
| 21:37:48 | LA | for example. |
| 21:38:29 | LinusN | VAT? |
| 21:38:31 | ricII | vat |
| 21:38:38 | LA | umm.. ok.. what's that? |
| 21:38:48 | LinusN | Value Added Tax |
| 21:38:51 | * | LA lives in the states |
| 21:38:54 | kargatron | a super high tax we don't have to pay in the US :) |
| 21:39:18 | kargatron | think of VAT as a sales tax that's built into the chain of commerce, not added at the end. |
| 21:39:25 | kargatron | and typicvally 18% or so |
| 21:39:31 | LA | ahhh.. ouch |
| 21:39:39 | kargatron | yeah, nasty. |
| 21:39:46 | LA | and i thought my Allegheny tax was high @ 7%.. |
| 21:39:54 | LinusN | isn't it so that many US stores add the tax at the cashier? |
| 21:40:06 | kargatron | all stores do |
| 21:40:12 | LinusN | so younever know what you will end up paying |
| 21:40:22 | kargatron | a state sales tax, usually <10%. |
| 21:40:36 | kargatron | sure you know, if you can exercise artihmetic estimation. :) |
| 21:40:47 | LinusN | VAT in Sweden is 25% |
| 21:40:50 | kargatron | a couple states have no sales tax, but it's not common |
| 21:40:55 | LA | 2.99 + 7% Allegheny county tax = 3.20 |
| 21:40:57 | Winkie-xC- | 17.5% is our tax |
| 21:41:11 | Winkie-xC- | LinusN, "hires photos"? |
| 21:41:14 | Winkie-xC- | ah, high res |
| 21:41:16 | Winkie-xC- | sorry |
| 21:41:28 | kargatron | VAT's more insidious, imo, because it's NOT obvious how much of the price is tax. |
| 21:41:35 | Winkie-xC- | agreed |
| 21:41:35 | LinusN | i gotta put my son to bed |
| 21:41:42 | LinusN | cu guys |
| 21:41:46 | Winkie-xC- | ok, thanks LinusN, where do I send photos etc? |
| 21:41:50 | kargatron | sales tax, you see right there what the govt is extorting :) |
| 21:42:04 | ricII | anyone working on queing & anonymous playlist stuf? |
| 21:42:06 | Winkie-xC- | kargatron, we get majorly screwed over for tax in the UK |
| 21:42:14 | LinusN | Winkie-xC-: i would prefer you to put themm up for download and send me the link |
| 21:42:23 | kargatron | i pity music buyers in europe |
| 21:42:26 | Winkie-xC- | LinusN, fine by me, email or newsgroup? |
| 21:42:36 | LinusN | linus at haxx.se |
| 21:42:40 | kargatron | i'm in greece, but have access to a diplomatic mailbox, so can shop like in the US |
| 21:42:41 | Winkie-xC- | rgr |
| 21:43:00 | LinusN | cu, bye! |
| 21:43:03 | Winkie-xC- | ciao |
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| 21:45:21 | kargatron | ricII, as we discussed earlier, i don't think so...not actively atm. |
| 21:45:49 | kargatron | perhaps the decision about queueing interface is on zagor's stovetop somewhere... |
| 21:46:01 | Winkie-xC- | queueing interface? |
| 21:46:14 | Winkie-xC- | what's the firmware actually written in anyway? |
| 21:46:20 | kargatron | C |
| 21:46:24 | Winkie-xC- | thought as much |
| 21:46:41 | Winkie-xC- | sok that cause i'll be able to hax it a bit if i fancy much changing |
| 21:46:49 | Winkie-xC- | i'm off, thanks for the help guys |
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| 21:46:51 | kargatron | i seem to remember zagor not being satisfied with the UI used by the available queue patch, nor the archos UI |
| 21:47:00 | kargatron | ok, nm :) |
| 21:47:33 | ricII | I already made some hooks, on+play (insert) on+right (append).. (just to get to know the code a little) |
| 21:49:43 | ricII | along with other stuppid things like viewer wrap, kbd_input() with curfont... |
| 21:51:26 | LA | well, I guess i'm just going to end up buying the cable |
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