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| 00:02:04 | langhaarrocker | ok, I'm late but: happy new year |
| 00:02:12 | BoD[] | :)) thanks ! you too |
| 00:02:42 | langhaarrocker | has anybody noticed the y2k3 bug? |
| 00:02:57 | Kshain | yep hit me about 6 am this morning for the first time |
| 00:03:04 | Kshain | my coffee maker stopped working |
| 00:03:26 | Kshain | ;) |
| 00:03:38 | BoD[] | my cell phone company says i have 50min left till 04/01/2002 :) |
| 00:04:12 | langhaarrocker | maybe linus could use that with his laptop... :) |
| 00:07:41 | Kshain | anyhow, langrocker, do you know anything about whats going on with rockbox and the fact that there has been no new updates (daily builds and bleeding edges) for like a week? |
| 00:08:10 | Zagor | Kshain: it's called christmas :) |
| 00:08:30 | BoD[] | I say the lead coders took holydays |
| 00:08:30 | langhaarrocker | Well - I'd guess the most of the developers broke their legs while trying to ski. |
| 00:08:37 | Kshain | christmas smistmas. I expect people to bend to my will |
| 00:08:44 | Zagor | hehe |
| 00:08:49 | Kshain | :) −− Actually I forgot about that. Thanks |
| 00:09:08 | langhaarrocker | Kshain: you'd have to nap the ring of Gollum first... |
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| 00:10:42 | Kshain | lol |
| 00:11:12 | Kshain | but I want my updates. My precccciouse precioussse updatessss. |
| 00:11:36 | ricII | any reason why rockbox sould have a problem with a font ? (space seems to be a ramdom garbish) |
| 00:11:58 | BoD[] | is it a microsoft font? ;) |
| 00:12:40 | ricII | no hand made with xmbdfed |
| 00:12:56 | ricII | 6px :) |
| 00:13:33 | BoD[] | well i dont know |
| 00:14:18 | ricII | it's only space (0x20) action up.. |
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| 00:16:12 | Kshain | hey, btw, what is rockbox progrmmed in? |
| 00:16:23 | ricII | c |
| 00:16:34 | | Nick Linus|away is now known as linusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:16:37 | | Nick linusN is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 00:16:39 | BoD[] | and asm i think |
| 00:16:40 | Kshain | c. or c++? |
| 00:16:44 | LinusN | c |
| 00:16:46 | Kshain | damn |
| 00:16:50 | LinusN | why damn? |
| 00:16:51 | langhaarrocker | :) |
| 00:17:00 | langhaarrocker | I want a virtual machine, too |
| 00:17:05 | Kshain | I wanted to help but −−- not if it meant relearning c |
| 00:17:28 | LinusN | but you know c++? |
| 00:18:24 | Kshain | yes, but not very well anymore. I'd have to do some catching up for c++, and I'd have to do even more catching up for c |
| 00:18:45 | ricII | made a verry small font, it displays 10 lines with avg 30 chars in the textviewer :) |
| 00:18:54 | LinusN | nice |
| 00:19:14 | LinusN | Kshain: c and c++ don't differ _that_ much, do they? |
| 00:20:14 | ricII | only one prob, char 0x20 (space) displays garbish... |
| 00:20:15 | Kshain | no, not a ton. but there's quite a few things that are reversed, and done differently in c than in c++ |
| 00:20:21 | BoD[] | i can't overwrite + in C ;) how rude |
| 00:21:12 | langhaarrocker | To be honest: I haven't done c before rockbox at all. I used to do c++ a decade ago. That helped a lot. But It wasn't that difficult to do c now. |
| 00:21:16 | LinusN | Kshain: yeah, c is "smaller", but i think it's nicer because it more to-the-point than c++ |
| 00:21:55 | LinusN | (if you code object-oriented that is) |
| 00:22:32 | LinusN | no behind-the-curtains operator overloading, constructors and shit |
| 00:22:55 | langhaarrocker | "you can program fortran in any language you like" (source: our chief programmer) |
| 00:22:56 | Kshain | yes, I dont really have a preference between the too. I simply went with c++ in the end cuz it was the logical precurson to DirectX |
| 00:23:19 | Kshain | precursor* |
| 00:23:40 | BoD[] | langhaarocker : hahaa :))) |
| 00:24:14 | Kshain | lol |
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| 00:24:22 | _2deep4u_ | I would like to request pop3 support in the next firmware upgrade,thanks |
| 00:24:47 | langhaarrocker | but not before the hardware mod for the usb bluetooth dongle. |
| 00:25:01 | LinusN | _2deep4u_: sure, that's an excellent idea :-) |
| 00:25:14 | _2deep4u_ | :) |
| 00:25:45 | _2deep4u_ | While we are on the subject,would it be possible to have the archos box act as a dns server? |
| 00:25:54 | _2deep4u_ | that would it make all well worth it |
| 00:26:06 | * | _2deep4u_ sings |
| 00:26:08 | BoD[] | i'd like a mame port, too.. or a xbox emulator |
| 00:26:08 | LinusN | why not a web server? |
| 00:26:27 | langhaarrocker | via the serial interface and ppp? |
| 00:26:32 | _2deep4u_ | good idea! |
| 00:26:45 | LinusN | AJPFW - Archos Jukebox Portable Firewall |
| 00:26:48 | _2deep4u_ | heck let's throw solaris on it |
| 00:26:58 | BoD[] | hahahaa :)) |
| 00:27:09 | LinusN | i always wanted a protable |
| 00:27:14 | LinusN | portable firewall |
| 00:27:20 | _2deep4u_ | portable firewall,the only software to block pick pockets |
| 00:27:52 | langhaarrocker | can we add gps to the thing so we can track the picpocket? |
| 00:27:55 | _2deep4u_ | candy dispense would be a real treat |
| 00:28:08 | _2deep4u_ | sure,why not - make it a 3g phone also |
| 00:28:13 | BoD[] | yes but, "The ability to program a portable music player is insignificant next to the power of the Force" |
| 00:28:41 | _2deep4u_ | divx support would be the sugar |
| 00:28:53 | _2deep4u_ | ok im done |
| 00:28:59 | BoD[] | :))) |
| 00:29:37 | langhaarrocker | seems the chaos theory prooves as well in the wether of brainstorming |
| 00:30:38 | BoD[] | anyway.. i find this picture beautiful that was posted on the list |
| 00:31:04 | BoD[] | http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/micromusic_archos_jb20rec.jpg |
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| 00:31:39 | BoD[] | is this a translucid archos ?? |
| 00:31:49 | hardeep | laf, that's pretty cool |
| 00:32:17 | Kshain2 | weird. Got booted to some spanish page with a bunch of bots |
| 00:32:28 | BoD[] | and the logo and slogan are great, too |
| 00:32:41 | BoD[] | except luigi of course |
| 00:33:17 | hardeep | heh, i think luigi's the best part! |
| 00:33:19 | langhaarrocker | but those batteries aren't the original |
| 00:33:22 | hardeep | or is it mario? |
| 00:33:31 | Kshain2 | where is this? Me thinks i missed something |
| 00:33:35 | BoD[] | nothing is original is this unit :) |
| 00:33:46 | BoD[] | kshain2 : http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/micromusic_archos_jb20rec.jpg |
| 00:34:00 | BoD[] | could be mario.. dont know |
| 00:34:13 | BoD[] | luigi is green ;)))) |
| 00:34:21 | _2deep4u_ | yes its luigi |
| 00:34:47 | _2deep4u_ | mario is fat and is a troll |
| 00:34:51 | _2deep4u_ | lugi is sexy |
| 00:34:56 | BoD[] | :_)))) |
| 00:34:57 | hardeep | laf |
| 00:35:15 | hardeep | Super Mario Bros for the AJBR |
| 00:35:21 | hardeep | need to look into this |
| 00:35:25 | BoD[] | luigi has all the muscles |
| 00:35:40 | BoD[] | he turns me on |
| 00:36:44 | Kshain2 | lol thats pretty good |
| 00:36:49 | Kshain2 | Its mario btw |
| 00:37:01 | BoD[] | are you sure |
| 00:37:31 | Kshain2 | yes. his mustache goes up, not down |
| 00:37:38 | Kshain2 | luigi's goes down |
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| 00:38:00 | BoD[] | no it's the Dupondts that |
| 00:38:04 | Kshain2 | *and i reclaim my throne as biggest geek in the world* |
| 00:38:13 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 00:38:27 | Kshain2 | nah, thats just what it looks like to me. Im probably wrong |
| 00:38:38 | Kshain2 | anyhow, how did whoevers that is get it to look like that |
| 00:39:17 | BoD[] | don't know ! i'll post a reply in the list |
| 00:40:10 | Kshain2 | ok thx |
| 00:40:39 | _2deep4u_ | where did you find that link? what forum/mailing list |
| 00:41:08 | BoD[] | on the regular mailing list |
| 00:41:50 | BoD[] | but i read it on the newsgroup (news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.general) |
| 00:46:05 | Kshain2 | im confused, isnt bjorn someone on the rockbox team |
| 00:46:22 | BoD[] | hmm .. yes ? |
| 00:46:24 | LinusN | Björn is definitely part of the team |
| 00:46:33 | BoD[] | why |
| 00:47:21 | Kshain2 | cuz it says the page is copy righted by him. I thought yu didnt know who programmed the archos in the pic |
| 00:47:32 | Kshain2 | or did you just mean you didnt know how he did it |
| 00:47:47 | BoD[] | i dont get you |
| 00:47:53 | BoD[] | .. at all :) |
| 00:48:21 | langhaarrocker | nobody of us knows how to program the dsp in the archos |
| 00:48:40 | _2deep4u_ | dsp..is? |
| 00:48:59 | langhaarrocker | the Mirconas chip that does the mp3 en/decoding |
| 00:49:04 | BoD[] | digital signal processor |
| 00:49:05 | _2deep4u_ | ah |
| 00:49:13 | Kshain2 | sorry - I meant why not just ask bjorn |
| 00:49:22 | _2deep4u_ | if you could program it,you would be able to add ogg support? |
| 00:49:34 | LinusN | _2deep4u_: no, we wouldn't |
| 00:49:40 | _2deep4u_ | oh,ok |
| 00:49:43 | LinusN | it as too little memory |
| 00:49:59 | _2deep4u_ | I see |
| 00:50:01 | langhaarrocker | there's a faq about that, too |
| 00:50:15 | LinusN | 4K for both code and data, and the Ogg decoder needs about 100Kbytes of lookup tables |
| 00:50:31 | LinusN | the Tremor decoder that is |
| 00:50:41 | _2deep4u_ | ywow |
| 00:50:44 | _2deep4u_ | 4k |
| 00:50:50 | BoD[] | :)))))) |
| 00:50:50 | _2deep4u_ | programming must be so fun |
| 00:51:00 | BoD[] | well 4k of fun |
| 00:51:02 | Kshain2 | hey ppl, me thinks i found how he did it. |
| 00:51:02 | _2deep4u_ | hah |
| 00:51:10 | Kshain2 | if you all havnt yet |
| 00:51:11 | LinusN | Kshain2: who did what? |
| 00:51:48 | Kshain2 | ah nm. Just realized I got lost way back there |
| 00:51:53 | BoD[] | :)))) |
| 00:52:13 | BoD[] | are you drunk |
| 00:52:16 | Kshain2 | I thought you guys were talking about the logo - I just realized you were talking about the archos unit itself (in the picture w/ mario) |
| 00:52:30 | _2deep4u_ | how was that done anyway |
| 00:52:30 | BoD[] | exactly ! the unit ! |
| 00:53:16 | LinusN | i have to go to bed now |
| 00:53:20 | Kshain2 | yah I got that down now |
| 00:53:24 | LinusN | cu guys! |
| 00:53:26 | langhaarrocker | sleep tight |
| 00:53:27 | Kshain2 | where are you linus? |
| 00:53:28 | _2deep4u_ | bye |
| 00:53:28 | BoD[] | bye linus |
| 00:53:36 | LinusN | i am in sweden |
| 00:53:43 | LinusN | Gothenburg at the moment |
| 00:53:50 | Kshain2 | ah, that explains it. Its only 3:00 in CA |
| 00:53:53 | LinusN | night all |
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| 00:54:01 | BoD[] | a country of great hackers |
| 00:54:03 | _2deep4u_ | all the good programmers live in other countries |
| 00:54:24 | _2deep4u_ | yes sweden is full of hackers |
| 00:54:31 | _2deep4u_ | why is that |
| 00:54:36 | BoD[] | well |
| 00:54:48 | BoD[] | they all have a computer i think |
| 00:54:49 | langhaarrocker | do they have days in the winter? Or does it remain dark? That would explain a lot... |
| 00:54:58 | _2deep4u_ | ha. |
| 00:55:44 | _2deep4u_ | we all have cars, that doest make us stunt devils |
| 00:55:58 | langhaarrocker | with spikes? |
| 00:56:12 | _2deep4u_ | :))) |
| 00:56:49 | BoD[] | well |
| 00:57:03 | BoD[] | it's a question of probability i guess |
| 00:57:16 | _2deep4u_ | its ok noone really knows why |
| 00:57:24 | Kshain2 | its inbred. Italians make good pizza, europeans make good cars... and the swedes are good hackers |
| 00:57:25 | Kshain2 | :) |
| 00:57:38 | BoD[] | not a lot of hackers come from africa :) that's because few people in africa has access to a computer |
| 00:57:38 | _2deep4u_ | how about chinese |
| 00:57:48 | Kshain2 | they make damn good chinese food |
| 00:57:49 | langhaarrocker | good at yellow |
| 00:57:53 | _2deep4u_ | how about indians |
| 00:57:55 | BoD[] | :))) |
| 00:58:03 | Kshain2 | shut up :)\ |
| 00:58:09 | _2deep4u_ | there some hackers :) |
| 00:58:11 | Kshain2 | fine, my logic lost |
| 00:58:17 | _2deep4u_ | ha. |
| 00:58:35 | Kshain2 | your asking for it now |
| 00:58:40 | Kshain2 | ;) |
| 00:58:40 | _2deep4u_ | it's 44 degrees im wearing shorts |
| 00:58:55 | langhaarrocker | Some time ago I thought that 'hacker' in sweden would be associated with woodchopping |
| 00:59:15 | _2deep4u_ | i n v you |
| 00:59:34 | BoD[] | woodwhat? |
| 00:59:59 | _2deep4u_ | let's attach a burner to the archos |
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| 01:00:10 | _2deep4u_ | new meaning of cds on the go |
| 01:00:32 | BoD[] | let's attach a pretty girl to the archos |
| 01:00:36 | BoD[] | naked |
| 01:00:50 | langhaarrocker | to few colors |
| 01:01:27 | BoD[] | no.. a real one.. not just a picture |
| 01:02:03 | langhaarrocker | no, thats not compatible |
| 01:02:29 | _2deep4u_ | I just purchased the lite on 48x burner |
| 01:02:53 | _2deep4u_ | first thing I've baught on the internet |
| 01:02:53 | langhaarrocker | bod: but it might increase the sales - depending on the girl... |
| 01:04:52 | ricII | widgets & fonts smaller than 8 don't mix well |
| 01:05:17 | BoD[] | :)) |
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| 02:10:31 | Kshain | hello again all. |
| 02:10:37 | hardeep | hi |
| 02:11:12 | Kshain | is everyone back to silence, or is there still a conversation going |
| 02:13:03 | hardeep | gasp, people actually converse on this channel? :) |
| 02:14:58 | Kshain | I know. Its like all these helpless computer geeks actually communicate together! |
| 02:15:06 | Kshain | :) −− jk all |
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| 05:28:02 | Kshain | hey, can anyone help me with the source files for rockbox? Im majorly confused |
| 05:28:37 | hardeep | shoot |
| 05:29:42 | Kshain | ok, first of all, what, besides the main source files, do I need to compile? I obviusly need a compiler right? Or does cvs act as one? |
| 05:30:17 | hardeep | you need to compile everything in tools/ using the standard compiler |
| 05:30:41 | Kshain | and the standard compiler is? (sorry, told you im lost)\ |
| 05:31:07 | hardeep | gcc |
| 05:31:17 | Kshain | ahhhh. I'll got get that |
| 05:31:29 | hardeep | for the main source files, you need the sh1 compiler |
| 05:31:37 | hardeep | you also need perl |
| 05:31:46 | Kshain | ah crap |
| 05:31:58 | Kshain | does it matter where I install it all |
| 05:32:21 | hardeep | not really, so long as the paths are exported |
| 05:32:34 | hardeep | are you doing this on linux or windows? |
| 05:33:03 | Kshain | win32 |
| 05:33:18 | hardeep | i'd highly recommend installing cygwin |
| 05:33:35 | Kshain | great, and that is :) ? |
| 05:33:40 | Kshain | some linus emulator? |
| 05:34:10 | Kshain | linux* |
| 05:34:28 | hardeep | it provides a unix-like environment for win32 machines |
| 05:34:33 | hardeep | and includes most of the gnu utilities |
| 05:34:43 | hardeep | download cygwin, making sure you have all the development tools |
| 05:34:46 | Kshain | ok, ill get that too |
| 05:35:00 | hardeep | then you'll need to build the sh1 cross compiler: |
| 05:35:02 | hardeep | http://rockbox.haxx.se/cross-gcc.html |
| 05:35:08 | hardeep | after that, you're good to go |
| 05:36:12 | Kshain | alright. And so I need CVS before I get anything else right? Cuz thats how i d/load everything else? |
| 05:36:45 | hardeep | cygwin includes a version of cvs |
| 05:38:05 | Kshain | alright, lost again lol. I read on vygwin that the only way to get a copy was off cvs so... |
| 05:38:23 | hardeep | www.cygwin.com |
| 05:38:29 | Kshain | nm, sorry got it |
| 05:38:30 | hardeep | download and run setup.exe |
| 05:38:41 | Kshain | I was reading something else I guess |
| 05:39:00 | hardeep | actually, hmmm, it looks like someone has already provided a way to set up a cygwin ready system... check out: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/0108.shtml |
| 05:40:11 | Kshain | ah, I'll check that out |
| 05:40:21 | Kshain | would that mean that I wouldnt need cygwin? |
| 05:40:44 | hardeep | he provides a cygwin installer that includes everything you need to build rockbox |
| 05:41:13 | Kshain | oh, how nice |
| 05:47:05 | Kshain | hey, he says too:(un)bzip2,(un)tar, the package: |
| 05:47:05 | Kshain | cd c:\cygwin |
| 05:47:05 | Kshain | bzip2.exe -d rockbox-sdk_win32.tar.bz2 |
| 05:47:05 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Kshain |
| 05:47:05 | Kshain | tar xvf rockbox-sdk_win32.tar |
| 05:47:19 | Kshain | how exactly do I do that? |
| 05:47:25 | Kshain | do I do that in winrar? |
| 05:47:35 | PsycoXul | uh |
| 05:47:47 | PsycoXul | Kshain: you do it exactly how you just pasted |
| 05:48:01 | PsycoXul | Kshain: the cd, bzip2.exe, and tar are the commands you do that with on the commandline |
| 05:48:15 | PsycoXul | with cygwin |
| 05:48:17 | PsycoXul | of course |
| 05:48:23 | PsycoXul | but yeah winrar if you don't have that stuff |
| 05:48:28 | Kshain | ok |
| 05:48:59 | PsycoXul | damnit |
| 05:49:09 | PsycoXul | it looks like episode 10 of taken is gonna finish downloading before episodes 8 and 9 |
| 05:49:26 | PsycoXul | i guess i should try kazaa again |
| 05:49:32 | PsycoXul | edonkey sucks for mp3's |
| 05:49:47 | PsycoXul | trying to get some album or another and it just sits there not downloading forever |
| 05:49:54 | Kshain | the problem is I cant find the command line :) (yes, I admit sheepishly, I suck at this kind of thing) |
| 05:50:23 | PsycoXul | win9x/me (i think) it's "dos prompt", nt/xp it's "command prompt" or somesuch |
| 05:50:36 | Kshain | oh, just do it through there? |
| 05:50:36 | Kshain | ok |
| 05:50:45 | PsycoXul | thats the commandline |
| 05:50:45 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:51:04 | Kshain | shuddup ;) |
| 05:51:15 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 05:51:59 | PsycoXul | god i hate all these websites where they got their own domain and then die or something and so you go to this whatever.com and just see that dumb shit saying you can buy it etc |
| 05:53:47 | Kshain | greeeat |
| 05:53:55 | Kshain | now command line is giving me errors |
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| 05:54:52 | PsycoXul | ya probably |
| 05:54:56 | Kshain | nm, stupidity on my part I think |
| 05:55:00 | PsycoXul | commandline's don't like people like you |
| 05:55:01 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 05:55:05 | PsycoXul | yeah that's usualy it |
| 05:55:05 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 05:56:04 | Kshain | i know. I wish my compute had a mind of its own - I'd have to reformat far less often ;) |
| 05:56:13 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:56:17 | PsycoXul | you use windows, don't you? |
| 05:56:21 | PsycoXul | it might as well have a mind of it's own |
| 05:56:31 | PsycoXul | windows is irrational, and behaves like an emotional little brat |
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| 05:59:21 | Kshain | yes |
| 05:59:24 | Kshain | but thats ok |
| 05:59:34 | Kshain | deep down inside I love my emotional little brat |
| 05:59:44 | PsycoXul | well you're a masochist |
| 05:59:55 | PsycoXul | i'm sorta masochistic myself |
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| 06:00:04 | PsycoXul | and i don't let anything upset me in general |
| 06:00:13 | PsycoXul | and yet windows still manages to piss me off when i "use" it |
| 06:00:23 | Kshain | lol |
| 06:00:33 | Kshain | trust me −− its using you, not the other way around |
| 06:00:50 | Kshain | anyhow, yay - it worked this time (the command line)\ |
| 06:01:18 | PsycoXul | man... |
| 06:01:22 | PsycoXul | i bought this pda on ebay |
| 06:01:25 | PsycoXul | i won't get it till the 10th |
| 06:01:39 | PsycoXul | and overall i think it'll be better than anything else i could get for it's price |
| 06:01:55 | PsycoXul | but it kinda sucks that it doesn't have IR or a mic |
| 06:02:13 | Kshain | I know. You told me yesterday :) |
| 06:02:23 | Kshain | remember - your gonna hack the shit out of it |
| 06:02:24 | PsycoXul | yeah ok |
| 06:02:29 | PsycoXul | but i didn't mention the IR and mic part |
| 06:02:35 | Kshain | whats ir? |
| 06:02:38 | PsycoXul | yes, thats the only reason it'll be better than anything else i could get for it's price |
| 06:02:43 | PsycoXul | IR, you know, infrared |
| 06:02:47 | Kshain | oh duh |
| 06:02:51 | Kshain | that sorta sucks |
| 06:02:56 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 06:02:59 | Kshain | infrared is hella cool |
| 06:03:02 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 06:03:03 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:03:14 | PsycoXul | i suspect there's possibilities though |
| 06:03:25 | Kshain | if your ever in a meeting and you hate your boss, flash the infrared at him for a while. Maybe he'll get cancer |
| 06:03:37 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:03:47 | PsycoXul | infrared doesn't give you cancer |
| 06:03:57 | Kshain | it could |
| 06:04:00 | Kshain | if your lucky |
| 06:04:02 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:04:36 | PsycoXul | walking outside in the day time gives you thousands of times more infrared exposure than what a little LED can output |
| 06:05:24 | Kshain | you know, one of these days, im gonna learn how to hack, hack into your computer, and leave SHUDDUP in large virtual graphiti on your sedktop |
| 06:05:31 | Kshain | desktop* |
| 06:05:44 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:05:45 | Kshain | whoa, almost spelled that word backwards |
| 06:05:51 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:06:02 | Kshain | anyhow - what is a symlink |
| 06:06:04 | PsycoXul | you couldn't hack my computer even if you could hack |
| 06:06:06 | PsycoXul | symbolic link |
| 06:06:17 | Kshain | lol i know i know |
| 06:06:28 | Kshain | how do you use symbolic links |
| 06:06:39 | Kshain | it says to say: user@host ~ |
| 06:06:39 | Kshain | $ cd /bin |
| 06:06:39 | Kshain | $ ln -s gawk.exe awk.exe |
| 06:06:39 | Kshain | $ ln -s gzip.exe gunzip.exe |
| 06:06:39 | Kshain | $ ln -s bzip2.exe bunzip2.exe |
| 06:06:40 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 06:06:40 | Kshain | |
| 06:06:46 | PsycoXul | it's this cool feature of *NIX and it's filesystems by where you can make a filesystem entry that acts like a file or directory as far as most things are concerned, but it actualy just points to another file or directory |
| 06:07:08 | Kshain | so how would I do that with the code above |
| 06:07:08 | PsycoXul | there's actualy 2 kinds of links |
| 06:07:14 | PsycoXul | hard links and symbolic links |
| 06:07:32 | PsycoXul | a regular file is just data on the disk with a hardlink to it's disk address, basically |
| 06:07:36 | Kshain | ah. Well I have the BASH open, and it says to do that now |
| 06:07:48 | PsycoXul | in *NIX and unix-like systems you can make multiple hardlinks to the same file data |
| 06:08:10 | PsycoXul | and then symbolic links are a little different in that they point to the original file rather than directly to the data |
| 06:08:20 | PsycoXul | so that you can put a symlink on one disk to a file on another disk and things like that |
| 06:08:33 | PsycoXul | cause hardlink's are restricted to being on the same filesystem iirc |
| 06:08:37 | Kshain | ah cool. So basically like pointers in c++ |
| 06:08:41 | PsycoXul | well those are the commands that you just pastede |
| 06:08:55 | PsycoXul | except the $ at the beginning is to show that it's on a commandline |
| 06:09:11 | Kshain | ok i'll try again |
| 06:09:21 | PsycoXul | leave out the $'s |
| 06:09:21 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:09:43 | PsycoXul | BasiCE is a full implementation of the BASIC language for Windows CE. |
| 06:09:47 | PsycoXul | man there's some sick people out there |
| 06:10:00 | Kshain | lol |
| 06:10:03 | Kshain | tell me about it |
| 06:10:08 | Kshain | yah its working now |
| 06:11:06 | PsycoXul | i can't wait till linux is fully usable on this pda |
| 06:11:25 | Kshain | So is linux really that great and cool? |
| 06:11:31 | PsycoXul | then i can cross-compile good old ansi C progs that i can write and download all over the place to run on that thing |
| 06:12:32 | PsycoXul | depends on what you do i guess |
| 06:12:41 | PsycoXul | if all you use is M$ office and crap like that then probably not |
| 06:12:58 | PsycoXul | but for a person who likes to get the most out of their machine, linux rocks |
| 06:13:22 | PsycoXul | it's working its way to cater to the M$ office and crap type people too though |
| 06:13:41 | Kshain | cool |
| 06:13:44 | Kshain | now what about games |
| 06:13:49 | PsycoXul | thats slow going but it's getting there |
| 06:13:57 | PsycoXul | well |
| 06:14:01 | Kshain | I might switch once it gets there |
| 06:14:09 | PsycoXul | windows has many many more games |
| 06:14:13 | PsycoXul | thats just sortof a given at this point |
| 06:14:17 | Kshain | yah |
| 06:14:24 | Kshain | been around a tincy bit longer |
| 06:14:27 | Kshain | :) |
| 06:14:27 | PsycoXul | but when a game does get made for or ported to linux |
| 06:14:40 | Kshain | then maybe I will switch |
| 06:14:41 | PsycoXul | it runs better in general, on equivalent hardware |
| 06:14:46 | Kshain | thats cool |
| 06:14:48 | PsycoXul | if you have appropriate hardware for linux |
| 06:15:04 | PsycoXul | you know if you get some graphics card that doesn't have any good linux support then obviously thats not true |
| 06:15:17 | PsycoXul | but, say you're on an nvidia card |
| 06:15:27 | PsycoXul | i get better fps in linux on nvidia cards |
| 06:15:36 | PsycoXul | than the same system running windows |
| 06:15:47 | PsycoXul | windows never was any good for games |
| 06:16:20 | PsycoXul | it took several years just for games on windows to get back to near the performance they had in DOS |
| 06:16:27 | PsycoXul | and that was mostly just hardware advancement heh |
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| 06:16:54 | Kshain | yah. Well, after some games come out.... |
| 06:17:08 | Kshain | just to make sure, in your book windows is better than apple though right? |
| 06:17:35 | PsycoXul | well i never used apple much except back in gradeschool/highschool heh |
| 06:18:03 | PsycoXul | macos pre-X is total crap though yes |
| 06:18:16 | PsycoXul | macos X is unix-based so it's got a lot going for it already heh |
| 06:18:42 | PsycoXul | i haven't tried it myself, but from what i've read/heard and know in general about it, it's probably better than windows |
| 06:18:50 | Kshain | doh! |
| 06:18:56 | Kshain | I hate apple with a vengeance |
| 06:19:02 | PsycoXul | and everybody i know who's knowledgable about such thing says that apple hardware is better than PC hardware |
| 06:19:09 | PsycoXul | but |
| 06:19:15 | PsycoXul | almost every hardware is better than PC hardware |
| 06:19:15 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:19:25 | PsycoXul | x86 is a shitty archetecture that should've been phased out years ago |
| 06:19:41 | Kshain | well, I personally dont mind my pc. I actually sort of like it. But go on, destroy my securites as fast as you can |
| 06:19:46 | Kshain | :) |
| 06:19:47 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 06:19:52 | PsycoXul | well PC's are cool and all |
| 06:19:56 | PsycoXul | i like computers for what they are |
| 06:20:14 | PsycoXul | they're nowhere near the capabilities they have the potential for, yet |
| 06:20:24 | PsycoXul | and they're not gonna get that way without a lot of rethinking of the methologies |
| 06:20:54 | PsycoXul | but for where we're at and all the context of our economical and technological state etc |
| 06:20:57 | PsycoXul | PC's are good |
| 06:21:00 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:21:26 | PsycoXul | their strong point is the standardization and interoperability |
| 06:21:53 | PsycoXul | you can buy your expansions and upgrades from anybody, not just the people who make it |
| 06:21:56 | PsycoXul | etc |
| 06:22:07 | PsycoXul | thats the biggest problem with apple, is that you gotta get a lot of apple stuff just from apple |
| 06:22:15 | PsycoXul | and all of it's expensive, cause there's not enough competition |
| 06:22:27 | PsycoXul | i guess apple's better about that these days though |
| 06:22:34 | PsycoXul | there's a lot of 3rd party products for it anymore i think |
| 06:23:33 | PsycoXul | but as far as consistent and continual bang for your buck goes, PC's are probably the way to go right now |
| 06:23:38 | Kshain | yah |
| 06:24:00 | Kshain | thank you for giving my one last shred of hope |
| 06:24:09 | PsycoXul | soon we'll all just have our own personal little pda-like devices |
| 06:24:11 | Kshain | lol |
| 06:24:18 | PsycoXul | all on constant wireless broadband |
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| 06:24:32 | Kshain | with Quake4 going |
| 06:24:39 | PsycoXul | on a global resource-sharing network |
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| 06:24:56 | Kshain | wait one sec |
| 06:25:03 | Kshain | Ive got another question |
| 06:25:09 | PsycoXul | ok so maybe not That soon, but it's on it's way hehe |
| 06:25:28 | Kshain | I finished doing everything for the tools, and now I have the exe files but when I click them: |
| 06:25:43 | Kshain | I get: cygwin.dll missing |
| 06:25:50 | PsycoXul | huehehe |
| 06:26:11 | PsycoXul | License: Shareware |
| 06:26:12 | PsycoXul | Size: 7.6MB |
| 06:26:19 | PsycoXul | Cost: $1999.00 |
| 06:26:30 | Kshain | WHAT!?! |
| 06:27:49 | Kshain | what exactly do you mean |
| 06:28:03 | PsycoXul | heh thats like 4K/$1 or something |
| 06:28:09 | PsycoXul | oh this fucking WinDriver CE |
| 06:28:23 | PsycoXul | This program automates the development of Windows CE device drivers for PCI, CardBus, ISA, ISAPnP, EISA and CompactPCI. |
| 06:28:42 | Kshain | ah and since I dont have that Im screwed? |
| 06:28:49 | PsycoXul | oh this has nothing to do with you |
| 06:29:08 | PsycoXul | i just think it's ridiculous some fool can write an <8mb program and charge $2k for it |
| 06:29:22 | Kshain | oh. Did you even hear my problem? |
| 06:29:40 | Kshain | you scared me. i thought I had a 2000 dollar problem on my hands |
| 06:29:54 | PsycoXul | you could pay somebody $20/hr, 40 hours/week, for 2 and a half weeks for the price of that |
| 06:30:28 | PsycoXul | your problem is not having cygwin :p |
| 06:30:31 | PsycoXul | or something to that effect |
| 06:30:36 | PsycoXul | i dunno you should just need that one dll i guess |
| 06:30:49 | PsycoXul | most programs compiled with cygwin come with it |
| 06:30:54 | PsycoXul | when they need it |
| 06:31:14 | Kshain | k. I'll get it of kazaa |
| 06:33:35 | Kshain | where would I put the dll? |
| 06:41:45 | Kshain | nm |
| 06:45:26 | Kshain | somebody who knows about the source files −−- I need help (again) |
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| 16:16:20 | KanKan | hello |
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| 16:19:43 | KanKan | hello i don't know how to launch Rockbox update in the archos |
| 16:20:05 | KanKan | i wen in the config menu |
| 16:20:12 | KanKan | but don't know how to load the system |
| 16:20:38 | KanKan | can someone help? |
| 16:22:25 | Hadaka | you did put the firmware on you harddrive? |
| 16:22:29 | Hadaka | and named it properly? |
| 16:22:33 | KanKan | yes |
| 16:22:39 | KanKan | i ha ve a folder: .rockbox |
| 16:22:46 | KanKan | and a file ajbrec.ajz |
| 16:22:56 | Hadaka | and you have a recorder? |
| 16:23:01 | KanKan | when i boot the archos: i still have the older system |
| 16:23:12 | KanKan | Jukebox Multimedia |
| 16:23:17 | Hadaka | oh |
| 16:23:22 | Hadaka | rockbox doesn't work with multimedia |
| 16:23:27 | Hadaka | only recoder and player |
| 16:23:28 | KanKan | erg |
| 16:23:32 | Hadaka | probably never will |
| 16:23:33 | KanKan | gromm |
| 16:23:38 | Hadaka | it's in the FAQ |
| 16:23:39 | KanKan | damn |
| 16:23:43 | KanKan | too bad |
| 16:23:53 | Hadaka | the multimedia has different hardware, different processor, different just about everything |
| 16:24:00 | KanKan | i see |
| 16:24:01 | Hadaka | since it can play movies |
| 16:24:15 | Hadaka | so - different project, most likely then |
| 16:24:17 | KanKan | of course |
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| 16:29:15 | ricII | could the usb-port be used for remote debuging / control? |
| 16:30:13 | Hadaka | no |
| 16:30:59 | Hadaka | the usb port is only connected to the ISD-200 (or ISD-300) chip which in turn is only connected to the IDE drive - the processor can only turn the chip on and off, but can't do anything else |
| 16:32:10 | ricII | I read something about usb-master mode, but that souldn't be possible then? |
| 16:35:47 | Hadaka | ricII: well if we do not take into account hardware modifications, it shouldn't be possible |
| 16:37:12 | ricII | It's not that I don't want to make a hwmod, just my lap doesn't have a serial-port :( |
| 16:40:01 | Hadaka | ricII: well I'm not sure what all is possible with reasonable hw-mods though |
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