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| 01:47:37 | kublacom | I have Archos 20 FM Recorder. I copied ROckbox files to ARJ, but it wont load rockbox, old firmware continues to load ?? Whats up |
| 01:48:01 | PsycoXul | afaik the FM versions aren't supported yet |
| 01:48:10 | PsycoXul | there's some differences |
| 01:48:44 | kublacom | well good, at least theres a reason hehheh. thanks alot |
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| 02:03:52 | | Join derfel [0] (~derfel@ool-4354760b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:04:01 | derfel | hello |
| 02:05:05 | derfel | hey.. I just downloaded rockbox, untarr-ed to my archos fm recorder 20, rebooted and nothing happened. is there something else I am supposed to do? |
| 02:05:40 | PsycoXul | heheh |
| 02:05:51 | derfel | yeah, pretty damm funny |
| 02:05:59 | derfel | any suggestions? |
| 02:06:08 | PsycoXul | whats funny is that somebody asked that same question 15 minutes ago |
| 02:06:13 | PsycoXul | < PsycoXul> afaik the FM versions aren't supported yet |
| 02:06:17 | derfel | haha |
| 02:06:18 | PsycoXul | < PsycoXul> there's some differences |
| 02:06:24 | derfel | ahhh |
| 02:06:34 | derfel | damm..that sucks for me... |
| 02:06:50 | PsycoXul | i think they've gotten it to load to some degree |
| 02:07:11 | PsycoXul | they may want more people who own them to help them test stuff, so if you're willing to live on the edge a bit maybe you can help |
| 02:07:28 | derfel | no problem.. I can test... as long as I can Un-install it! |
| 02:07:31 | PsycoXul | zagor, linusn, and bagder are the main developers |
| 02:07:50 | derfel | are they here? |
| 02:07:55 | PsycoXul | not right now |
| 02:08:00 | derfel | oh well |
| 02:08:04 | PsycoXul | they're usualy on later |
| 02:08:10 | derfel | gotcha.. |
| 02:08:30 | derfel | the software that comes with it really sucks |
| 02:08:42 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:08:53 | PsycoXul | yeah archos is lousy at the firmware on their products |
| 02:08:59 | PsycoXul | thats why rockbox exists heh |
| 02:09:15 | derfel | oh yeah... even the soft buttons are mis-mapped |
| 02:09:26 | derfel | if you hit 'run' - it's really delete |
| 02:09:29 | PsycoXul | hah |
| 02:09:33 | PsycoXul | gee thats nice |
| 02:09:42 | PsycoXul | i suppose thats a "space saver" feature, eh? |
| 02:09:44 | derfel | oh yeah.. I don't know how that damm thing got out the door |
| 02:09:48 | derfel | hahah |
| 02:10:16 | derfel | it would have never passed my uat dept... they kill us as it is.. and people at archos let that get out the door |
| 02:10:52 | PsycoXul | well by this point they're probably thinking they'll let the rockbox people worry about it :p |
| 02:11:01 | PsycoXul | it'd be nice if they gave some docs though, if that is what they're thinking |
| 02:11:05 | derfel | haha.. that's true |
| 02:11:23 | derfel | so many people in this room... where is everyone? |
| 02:11:28 | PsycoXul | dunno |
| 02:11:41 | derfel | ahh |
| 02:13:21 | derfel | is Björn Stenberg a developer too? |
| 02:13:33 | PsycoXul | indeed |
| 02:13:42 | derfel | ahhh |
| 02:14:03 | PsycoXul | thats zagor |
| 02:14:09 | PsycoXul | see http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/ |
| 02:14:10 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:14:11 | derfel | ahh..ok |
| 02:14:28 | derfel | cool.. thanks |
| 02:15:48 | derfel | haha.. I just checked out the irc log.. I saw the talk from the last time someone asked the same question as I did |
| 02:15:53 | derfel | good timing |
| 02:16:09 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 02:16:31 | derfel | what is "PONG"? |
| 02:16:55 | PsycoXul | the game? |
| 02:17:08 | derfel | figured... I thought maybe it was something else |
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| 02:17:58 | derfel | hey |
| 02:18:20 | Kshain | hey |
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| 02:20:52 | derfel | o well |
| 02:22:01 | derfel | so how hard is it do developer for the jukebox? |
| 02:22:07 | derfel | develop |
| 02:22:25 | PsycoXul | you write code in C, cross-compile it, throw it on there |
| 02:22:35 | PsycoXul | it's pretty easy if you're familiar with that sorta stuff |
| 02:22:52 | derfel | C is no problem.. what is the cross compiler? |
| 02:23:13 | PsycoXul | compiling something for one architecture on another |
| 02:23:21 | ricII | hi |
| 02:23:21 | derfel | ahh..ok |
| 02:23:36 | derfel | yo |
| 02:23:49 | derfel | everything is text based? |
| 02:23:51 | ricII | the fm again, maybe it sould be put in the FAQ. |
| 02:23:57 | derfel | that's a dumb question |
| 02:23:57 | PsycoXul | ricII: yeah |
| 02:24:01 | PsycoXul | ricII: i thought it was... heh |
| 02:24:09 | PsycoXul | derfel: recorders have a bitmap screen |
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| 02:24:46 | derfel | ok |
| 02:25:09 | ricII | I specialy got the archos rec for rockbox :) ( I needed a new toy ) |
| 02:25:32 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 02:26:14 | PsycoXul | i chose the archos out of the hd-based players available at xmas time last year, because it just "seemed" to me like the most hackable |
| 02:26:29 | PsycoXul | and then the first inklings of rockbox came along later that month heh |
| 02:26:30 | ricII | xmas prescent to my self, g4 powerbook is almost working now.. |
| 02:27:27 | ricII | I kinda casemoded it today... (I liked it more naked :) ) |
| 02:28:00 | derfel | hey..where are you guys? |
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| 02:28:30 | ricII | derfel: sorry just got back |
| 02:29:18 | ricII | "derfel: everything is text based?: yes.. |
| 02:29:40 | derfel | thanks |
| 02:30:28 | ricII | derfel: the compiler translates human readable code to machine code.. |
| 02:30:51 | ricII | in short... |
| 02:30:59 | derfel | thanks.. I knew that.. just didn't know about a cross compiler.. |
| 02:31:13 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:31:20 | PsycoXul | the cross-compiler is just like any other compiler |
| 02:31:29 | PsycoXul | it's output is just for the different architecture |
| 02:31:44 | ricII | also called a target. |
| 02:31:50 | devZer0 | hi there. first time on this channel :) |
| 02:31:51 | derfel | what arch do you specify for the cross compiler? |
| 02:31:57 | derfel | yo |
| 02:32:07 | PsycoXul | these archos devices have an sh1 processor |
| 02:32:08 | ricII | derfel: sh1 |
| 02:32:12 | PsycoXul | so we use the sh1 cross-compiler |
| 02:32:20 | ricII | simple... |
| 02:32:24 | derfel | ahh..ok |
| 02:32:48 | derfel | is there something else you can write for the jb other than firmware? |
| 02:32:56 | ricII | the low memory is the tricky part... |
| 02:33:06 | derfel | how much memory is on them? |
| 02:33:15 | ricII | 2mb for all |
| 02:33:25 | derfel | especially with C... overwrite one byte and you're screwed |
| 02:33:33 | derfel | wow |
| 02:33:39 | devZer0 | derfel: games,apps - all you can imagine |
| 02:33:56 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 02:34:01 | PsycoXul | you can do all kinds of neat little things |
| 02:34:06 | PsycoXul | especialy on the recorder |
| 02:34:12 | derfel | but do they have to be integrated with the firmware or can they run separetely? |
| 02:34:19 | PsycoXul | since i've got a lowley player though, i've broken down and bought myself a pda heh |
| 02:34:29 | devZer0 | there are some games and demos already inside rockbox |
| 02:34:30 | PsycoXul | derfel: either, depending on what you wanna do |
| 02:34:49 | ricII | derfel: there no (V)M... |
| 02:34:54 | devZer0 | sorry guys - is this ok to "integrate" into your conversation ? |
| 02:34:57 | derfel | is there some place with any documentation on developing for this platform? |
| 02:35:57 | ricII | cvs? |
| 02:37:19 | ricII | I learnd most by hacking around in rockbox.. (short week now) |
| 02:37:45 | derfel | gotya |
| 02:38:13 | derfel | once they get rockbox to run on the fm recorder, I'll probably play around |
| 02:39:15 | ricII | unfortunely may laptop doesn't have a serialport, so no realtime debuging.. |
| 02:39:38 | derfel | how do you setup a debugging environment? |
| 02:40:16 | ricII | derfel if you want to do it on the archos you need a hardware mod. |
| 02:40:33 | devZer0 | isn`t it possible to add serial port via usb ? |
| 02:40:51 | PsycoXul | no |
| 02:40:55 | derfel | you should be able to get a converter shouldn't you? |
| 02:40:58 | PsycoXul | usb is hooked to a dedicated IDE controller |
| 02:41:07 | PsycoXul | we can't do anything with it |
| 02:42:05 | ricII | well the isd-300 seems to have 10 general purpose io pins, couldn't they put to use? |
| 02:42:37 | PsycoXul | hmm first i've heard of that |
| 02:42:40 | ricII | I no little about usb/modern electronic.. |
| 02:42:41 | devZer0 | hey, no - i meant, usb-to-serial converter for the notebook, something like: http://www.usbgear.com/usa/item_288.html |
| 02:42:59 | PsycoXul | they're probably not wired to anything, but it's an interesting potential lead |
| 02:43:28 | PsycoXul | i also don't know much about it, zagor bagder and linus are the ones who understand all this stuff... heh |
| 02:43:33 | ricII | PsycoXul it's in the datasheet... |
| 02:44:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 02:44:02 | * | ricII just dumm programmer |
| 02:44:16 | PsycoXul | i haven't payed any attention to the isd-300 myself, since my player's only got an isd-200 heh |
| 02:44:35 | PsycoXul | and i haven't even payed much attention to the isd-200 |
| 02:44:43 | PsycoXul | i just go by what the main 3 rockbox guys say hehe |
| 02:44:52 | * | derfel has no idea about this stuff |
| 02:45:02 | ricII | PsycoXul so no use for my specialy made 4x5 font... |
| 02:45:22 | * | derfel has NO idea what the isd-300 or the isd-200 are! |
| 02:45:38 | ricII | usd-ata bridge |
| 02:45:53 | PsycoXul | devZer0: ah yeah for ricII's laptop, he might be able to use that |
| 02:46:24 | ricII | ehh, usb to the harddrive.. |
| 02:47:00 | devZer0 | my notebook hasn`t serial, too. must be due to anti-legacy campaign of pc industry :D |
| 02:48:16 | ricII | I will have to ask linus about it, again I known little about these chips.. |
| 02:48:55 | derfel | hey...another dumb question: do you have to program in C? |
| 02:49:45 | ricII | derfel: well, you can always try directly ah1 asembly. |
| 02:49:58 | ricII | s/ah1/sh1 |
| 02:50:16 | derfel | no thank you! |
| 02:50:49 | PsycoXul | what else would you program in |
| 02:50:50 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:51:03 | PsycoXul | i don't think C++ is appropriate for this type of device, afaik |
| 02:51:18 | PsycoXul | and um java is probably out of the question |
| 02:51:25 | ricII | don't say visual basic.... (please) |
| 02:51:32 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:51:57 | PsycoXul | indeed, please don't say visual basic |
| 02:51:58 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:52:07 | derfel | no no...no VB.. |
| 02:52:14 | PsycoXul | or BASIC for that matter |
| 02:52:15 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 02:52:18 | derfel | HA |
| 02:52:22 | MrSnazz | That's a bit thickheaded. |
| 02:52:27 | ricII | forth could be an option |
| 02:52:38 | PsycoXul | ah i dunno anything about forth |
| 02:52:56 | PsycoXul | MrSnazz: what is? |
| 02:53:07 | ricII | posix, functions.. |
| 02:53:30 | ricII | postfix..\ |
| 02:53:43 | PsycoXul | how about malbolge (sp?) |
| 02:53:48 | MrSnazz | PsycoXul: The attitude that basic isn't good for anything. |
| 02:53:54 | ricII | brainf*ck |
| 02:54:10 | derfel | vb is good for prototyping |
| 02:54:26 | PsycoXul | MrSnazz: basic was good for my c64 |
| 02:54:30 | PsycoXul | MrSnazz: i guess |
| 02:54:33 | derfel | that too :-) |
| 02:54:45 | devZer0 | guys, could you give some comments to my current posting at http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/0164.shtml ? i made some suggestion for interface improvement some minutes ago |
| 02:54:52 | ricII | not even.. I always used strings for my code... |
| 02:56:09 | PsycoXul | devZer0: a few comments |
| 02:56:17 | ricII | devZer0: wait for my *verry* small font... |
| 02:56:20 | PsycoXul | devZer0: for one thing players line is 11 chars |
| 02:57:07 | devZer0 | pardon - thought it was 16 because the lcd-controller supports 16 chars per line |
| 02:57:11 | PsycoXul | devZer0: for another thing, it wouldn't be necessary for the WHOLE line to be reversed, on players it would be sufficient for the first char to be, and is entirely possible |
| 02:57:28 | devZer0 | yes - indeed |
| 02:57:45 | PsycoXul | which is something that i tried to get people to do months ago |
| 02:57:49 | PsycoXul | i do like the idea |
| 02:58:15 | PsycoXul | it'd have been especialy benificial on players given their more limited screen size |
| 02:58:17 | devZer0 | ricII: do you have a preview of your font |
| 02:58:18 | devZer0 | ? |
| 02:58:41 | PsycoXul | 1 char isn't a big difference on the recorder, though i suppose every little bit counts.. but 1 char is a big difference on a player heh |
| 02:58:42 | ricII | devZer0: i could .. |
| 02:59:01 | derfel | ok..thanks guys... have a great night! |
| 02:59:14 | devZer0 | yes, you are right. chars are even MORE valuable on the Player |
| 02:59:44 | PsycoXul | indeed, this is something i would like to see implimented |
| 02:59:52 | devZer0 | n8, as we say in germany :) |
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| 03:00:07 | devZer0 | shouldn`t be too hard. |
| 03:00:14 | PsycoXul | no, it shouldn't |
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| 03:00:20 | devZer0 | do you like "version 2", too ? (see pic) |
| 03:00:37 | ricII | proportinal spaced http://my-laptop.xs4all.nl/vsmall-4.fnt |
| 03:00:53 | PsycoXul | i dunno |
| 03:01:19 | PsycoXul | i kinda like seeing the icons on all the files displayed, but then saving that char would be nice too i suppose |
| 03:02:07 | PsycoXul | i wish the developers were more keen to the idea of everything being configurable and giving people the option for switching between those 2 styles and such things like that hehe |
| 03:02:32 | devZer0 | could be made an option "show icons on/off" and "show icons only on highlighted line" |
| 03:02:47 | devZer0 | :) |
| 03:02:53 | PsycoXul | on/off/highlighted yeah |
| 03:03:33 | PsycoXul | i think even potentialy configurable things that they don't wanna waste UI space for should be configurable in a text file that has misc options |
| 03:04:17 | PsycoXul | i think they're already working towards having a file with some options and such, it seems to me like they might as well go all the way and let the people who want to put config for anything in there hehe |
| 03:04:30 | devZer0 | ricII: thanks for your font - but i think i don`t like such small fonts. regardless how much effort is put on this fonts - they look ugly - all of them. |
| 03:04:44 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:04:58 | ricII | devZer0: it's nice in the text-viewer.. |
| 03:05:29 | devZer0 | ok, ric - you're right |
| 03:05:42 | PsycoXul | ok |
| 03:05:51 | devZer0 | if i could configure a different font for the textviewer.... |
| 03:06:08 | PsycoXul | i'm sick of you recorder owners and your snooty attitude :p |
| 03:06:45 | ricII | this is probly the smallest font readble.. |
| 03:07:36 | devZer0 | hey, PsycoXul - don`t worry ;) |
| 03:07:38 | ricII | ;; |
| 03:08:15 | devZer0 | perhaps you do a reply to my posting, with your player-one-reverse-char suggestion... |
| 03:08:30 | PsycoXul | yeah once i get my cassiopeia be-300 on friday, i can be the snooty one :p |
| 03:08:47 | devZer0 | how mach storage is there inside ? |
| 03:08:48 | PsycoXul | now if only there was a way to hook up my archos to the be-300 so that i could have a color pda with a 20G harddrive.. mmmm |
| 03:09:09 | PsycoXul | the be-300? it's only got 16mb heh |
| 03:09:14 | devZer0 | doesnt cassiopeya have cf slot ? |
| 03:09:16 | ricII | what with this malloc stuff ? is it gona be used? |
| 03:09:18 | PsycoXul | and the only spare compact flash card i've got is 8mb |
| 03:09:46 | PsycoXul | we've got a 64mb one too but it gets used for the digicam so i can't go loading it up with crap and keeping it or anything heh |
| 03:09:51 | devZer0 | arent there cf2usb adapters out there ? |
| 03:10:03 | PsycoXul | not that i've seen |
| 03:10:13 | ricII | cf is just mini pcmcia |
| 03:10:18 | PsycoXul | the closest i've found is cf2pcmcia and some pcmcia usb cards |
| 03:10:43 | PsycoXul | the thing about that is if there's any drivers for this thing's version of wince to support that |
| 03:10:56 | PsycoXul | if there is, or if somebody makes them, then that's probably the way to go |
| 03:11:08 | PsycoXul | anyway, dinner... bbl |
| 03:11:16 | devZer0 | yes - this is possible, i think ! |
| 03:13:10 | ricII | well I'm off to bed, just staying here to log.. |
| 03:13:27 | devZer0 | wish you well ! bye |
| 03:14:21 | ricII | read some more of the code on my recorder ;) |
| 03:14:57 | devZer0 | Psy: did you see Parachute III PC Card at http://www.davespda.com/hardware/expansions/other.htm ? |
| 03:15:14 | devZer0 | pardon: PCMCIA to CF |
| 03:15:26 | devZer0 | copied/pasted the wrong part |
| 03:16:09 | devZer0 | there is also USB CF+ Card - but unfortunately it is slave, not master.... |
| 03:16:23 | devZer0 | i think it`s just a matter of time... |
| 03:19:52 | devZer0 | mhhh : http://www.opencores.org/forums/usb/2002/05/00003 - but who cares ? |
| 03:23:15 | devZer0 | http://www.netac.com/products/View.asp?CodeNo=00000008 - unfortunately slave also. hey, this is interesting thing. if this exists i would think about extending my rockbox by a pda :DDD |
| 03:33:38 | devZer0 | funy :) http://www.linux4.be/pivot/index.html |
| 03:36:52 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:37:38 | devZer0 | wooha: http://www.be-central.be/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=42 :) |
| 03:38:00 | PsycoXul | yeah once linux for this thing is up and working fully, it should be easy to make various stuff work |
| 03:38:10 | devZer0 | perhaps, i should get one, too. |
| 03:38:20 | devZer0 | or better buy a yopy |
| 03:38:27 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:38:32 | PsycoXul | at that last link you posted |
| 03:38:43 | PsycoXul | look at the 1st one under "20 recent Topics:" |
| 03:39:33 | PsycoXul | my be-300's not even scheduled for delivery till friday, and i've already posted 6 background images for it on that site :p heh |
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| 03:41:34 | PsycoXul | but yeah if it can be supported |
| 03:41:52 | devZer0 | mhh - driver-developers are scarce :) |
| 03:42:27 | PsycoXul | one of those cf to pcmcia adapters plus pcmcia usb card would be nice |
| 03:43:01 | PsycoXul | the biggest problem would be powering the archos to keep it going as a usb harddrive long enough to do much useful with it like watch a movie off it or whatever |
| 03:44:14 | devZer0 | mhh - some adapter for external battery - but then you had three parts to carry... :) |
| 03:44:27 | PsycoXul | yeah i'd need one for the pda probably too |
| 03:44:37 | devZer0 | could be the same one |
| 03:44:53 | PsycoXul | the way i see it with this solution i'd have my army pants pockets filled with stuff :p |
| 03:44:58 | devZer0 | just one with enough voltage - the rest could be done via power regulator |
| 03:45:14 | PsycoXul | well |
| 03:45:19 | devZer0 | better go and buy a sony vaio :D |
| 03:45:34 | PsycoXul | the archos sucks batteries quick when it's running the HD constantly |
| 03:45:52 | devZer0 | yes |
| 03:45:55 | PsycoXul | yeah but i already have an archos, already bought the be-300 |
| 03:46:06 | devZer0 | and vaio is expensive.... |
| 03:46:07 | PsycoXul | you can build some external battery packs for <$10 each |
| 03:46:15 | devZer0 | and un-geeky :D |
| 03:46:49 | PsycoXul | i've seen on ebay the CF->PCMCIA converters go for about $15+S&H |
| 03:47:03 | PsycoXul | and the pcmcia usb adapters for like $23+S&H |
| 03:47:29 | devZer0 | bought 4x2000mah NimH mignon for that price (~10$) some weeks ago |
| 03:48:05 | devZer0 | the question is: would pcmcia type II CardBUS 32 Bit be compatible with Compact Flash Slot (16 Bit) |
| 03:48:17 | devZer0 | do cardbus cards have 16 Bit compatibility mode ? |
| 03:48:21 | PsycoXul | all and all i'd be looking at $60 or so |
| 03:48:27 | PsycoXul | devZer0: yeah i'm also wondering about that |
| 03:48:57 | devZer0 | befor one can write driver, the electical/hardware questions should be solved :D |
| 03:49:01 | PsycoXul | that could be the thing that shatters this dream :p |
| 03:49:38 | devZer0 | nonooooo - just put a Cardbus to 16-bit PCMCIA Adaptor between. :D |
| 03:49:45 | PsycoXul | haha |
| 03:49:49 | PsycoXul | do they make those? |
| 03:49:52 | devZer0 | if such exists - it will be |
| 03:49:55 | devZer0 | EXPENSIVE :D |
| 03:49:57 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:50:40 | PsycoXul | 3 pda-sized devices, 3 cards sticking out of one, and a handful of wires running between them all |
| 03:50:49 | PsycoXul | sounds like a lot of fun |
| 03:51:06 | PsycoXul | maybe 4 pda-sized things |
| 03:51:18 | PsycoXul | need a lot of power capacity to keep that archos running |
| 03:51:18 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:51:19 | devZer0 | :) |
| 03:51:23 | devZer0 | but bad news: |
| 03:51:27 | devZer0 | read that: http://www.dkdce.com/Adapter.asp |
| 03:51:37 | devZer0 | System requirements: |
| 03:51:37 | devZer0 | Window 98 compatible PC or notebook |
| 03:51:37 | devZer0 | Any available CardBus slot [NOT ANY, Will NOT work in an Older 16 bit PCMCIA CardBus slot] |
| 03:52:28 | PsycoXul | heh yeah |
| 03:52:43 | PsycoXul | i guess the 16bit is actualy called "pc card" while the 32bit only is called "CardBus" |
| 03:53:23 | PsycoXul | so for this whole thing to work i'd need to find a 16-bit "pc card" usb adapter |
| 03:53:31 | PsycoXul | which i dunno if such a thing exists |
| 03:53:31 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:54:50 | devZer0 | mhh. think pc card and cardbus is somewhat equivalent - 16 bit is usually called "pcmcia" |
| 03:55:02 | devZer0 | not shure here |
| 03:55:02 | PsycoXul | i dunno |
| 03:55:06 | PsycoXul | thats what one site i read said |
| 03:55:09 | PsycoXul | but you know how that stuff goes |
| 03:55:33 | devZer0 | yes - difficult to keep with that.... |
| 03:56:28 | PsycoXul | so it seems my best bet is just to wait for high-capacity CF cards to get cheap :/ |
| 03:57:12 | PsycoXul | or get a CF wifi card and put stuff on a fast share |
| 03:57:12 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:57:42 | PsycoXul | thats a little less mobile though |
| 03:57:47 | devZer0 | then you are not really mobile :D |
| 03:57:51 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:58:39 | devZer0 | read: http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=7ldmsm%24ot8%241%40nntp.Stanford.EDU&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dpcmcia%2B16-bit%2Busb%2B%2B-network%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D7ldmsm%2524ot8%25241%2540nntp.Stanford.EDU%26rnum%3D4 |
| 03:58:43 | devZer0 | :( |
| 03:58:55 | PsycoXul | anyway, i only got it cause i wanted something to have instead of a pen and paper for notes and drawing etc |
| 03:59:06 | PsycoXul | when i saw i could get a color one for ~$100 i jumped on it |
| 03:59:23 | PsycoXul | it's just kinda too bad having something that can play movies but not enough storage on it to fit any |
| 03:59:27 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 03:59:32 | devZer0 | yes thats a good price |
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| 04:00:54 | devZer0 | making a PCMCIA |
| 04:00:54 | devZer0 | to USB adapter is a short term worth project <from a marketing sense>. |
| 04:01:36 | devZer0 | usb host controllers are very very far from trivial |
| 04:02:17 | devZer0 | phew - i stop here doing some research for this :) |
| 04:02:26 | PsycoXul | heeh |
| 04:02:54 | PsycoXul | ok |
| 04:02:54 | PsycoXul | so |
| 04:03:10 | PsycoXul | lets look at other possibilities for hacking this kinda stuff together |
| 04:03:29 | PsycoXul | how about modding the archos to support wireless networking somehow and use them together that way? hehe |
| 04:04:06 | devZer0 | perhaps better open the casio, get some soldering iron and solder an interface to the processor directly :) |
| 04:04:16 | PsycoXul | hey, a little wireless access point that acts as a usb host and shares the usb-storage device it plugs into |
| 04:04:31 | devZer0 | phew - this will be difficult. |
| 04:05:22 | PsycoXul | i'm sure it's possible, though it'd cost more to build it than it'd be worth probably heh |
| 04:05:34 | devZer0 | yes - indeed. |
| 04:05:50 | devZer0 | psy - i will have to leave. it`s gone very late |
| 04:06:03 | PsycoXul | be cheaper just to buy a pocketpc that already can be a usb host |
| 04:06:10 | PsycoXul | i think i heard of one that does... |
| 04:06:29 | PsycoXul | devZer0: ok, well thanks for your help in these ideas... |
| 04:06:31 | PsycoXul | devZer0: goodnight |
| 04:08:01 | devZer0 | no problem. had fun with that. CU. |
| 04:08:30 | devZer0 | BTW: the "one that does" is a cassiopeia - pocket pc 2002 |
| 04:09:08 | devZer0 | look: http://products.consumerguide.com/cp/electronics/review/index.cfm/id/22693 |
| 04:09:13 | devZer0 | bye :) |
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| 04:12:11 | PsycoXul | wow pretty nice... |
| 04:12:29 | PsycoXul | they're only going for $200-$300 on ebay too |
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| 06:37:16 | meshuga | if you're going to snag a casiopedia |
| 06:37:22 | meshuga | i would suggest the dell axim |
| 06:37:37 | meshuga | which is made by.. wistron, the same ppl who made the casio ones |
| 06:37:58 | meshuga | and i thought CF had a usb card |
| 06:47:45 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:47:52 | PsycoXul | axim's are more expensive |
| 06:47:58 | PsycoXul | i was aiming for <$100 |
| 06:48:07 | PsycoXul | i went over a bit with the be-300 |
| 06:50:02 | PsycoXul | http://psyco.yi.org:8042/aki-forest.png [warning: nudity, even if it is CG :p] |
| 06:50:17 | PsycoXul | if you can look, what you think? i removed the background from her and put her in the forest there heh |
| 06:50:21 | PsycoXul | thats pda wallpaper size heh |
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| 07:00:43 | edx | morning everybody |
| 07:01:57 | edx | nice wallpaper :P |
| 07:02:29 | PsycoXul | hehe thanks |
| 07:03:12 | edx | i have the feeling that the original software still shows batteries half-full when rockbox shows they're empty... (?) |
| 07:03:43 | PsycoXul | batteries are weird |
| 07:03:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:03:46 | edx | is the rockbox battery indicator more accurate? |
| 07:03:49 | edx | really... :) |
| 07:03:51 | PsycoXul | i've been using the same set for about a year |
| 07:03:57 | edx | me too now |
| 07:03:58 | PsycoXul | and then they stopped holding a charge very well |
| 07:04:03 | PsycoXul | so i threw the other set in there |
| 07:04:10 | PsycoXul | and when i went to plug it in, my damn adapter broke |
| 07:04:23 | edx | wel I use both sets... one charging while i use the other at school ;) |
| 07:04:36 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:04:57 | PsycoXul | well i got a new adapter at radioshack, but it was only 300ma and i didn't realize that wasn't enough |
| 07:05:10 | PsycoXul | i had it plugged in for like a day and a half and wondering why it wasn't getting charged fully :p |
| 07:05:17 | PsycoXul | so i took it back and got an 800ma one |
| 07:05:46 | PsycoXul | but it still doesn't get past 5.7v while plugged in, in that little menu entry that shows the voltage |
| 07:05:55 | PsycoXul | while the old ones got to about 6v while plugged in and fully charged |
| 07:06:40 | edx | hmmm |
| 07:07:06 | edx | afaik the battery indicator of rockbox is never full when I plug in recently charged batteries |
| 07:07:12 | edx | but the archos indicator is |
| 07:08:03 | edx | well... rockbox does not do auto-shutdown (does it??!) so that wouldnt even be a problem if the indicator was wrong |
| 07:08:26 | PsycoXul | auto-shutdown on low power you mean? |
| 07:08:30 | PsycoXul | not that i know of |
| 07:08:36 | edx | yea |
| 07:08:38 | PsycoXul | not on players anyway, i dunno about recorders |
| 07:08:48 | edx | why would it.. as long as it isnt recording, nothing |
| 07:08:54 | edx | 's supposed to happen |
| 07:09:03 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 07:09:08 | edx | (maybe during settings saving..) |
| 07:11:26 | PsycoXul | it is pretty annoying though that it just sits there with the harddrive clicking trying to spinup and failing when it's low on power heh |
| 07:11:40 | PsycoXul | i should update my build... |
| 07:11:57 | PsycoXul | i lost my /home partition, which contained my copy of the source tree, and i haven't bothered to update since heh |
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| 08:45:38 | Bagder | hey ho! |
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| 09:00:20 | hardeep | heya badger! |
| 09:04:24 | Bagder | it certainly has been a few weeks of really low speed |
| 09:05:35 | hardeep | tis why they call them the holidays. :) |
| 09:05:48 | Bagder | it is? ;-) |
| 09:35:59 | Bagder | hardeep: btw, I would like to see your queue stuff committed, so that people can try it out in the daily builds |
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| 09:36:54 | Bagder | hey Z |
| 09:36:59 | Zagor_ | hi there |
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| 09:37:20 | Zagor | back to the daily grind |
| 09:43:05 | Zagor | Bagder: how many mails did you have after holidays? :) |
| 09:43:23 | Bagder | uh |
| 09:43:27 | Bagder | waaaaayyyy many |
| 09:44:05 | Bagder | I've receivied 1192 mails so far this year ;-) |
| 09:44:49 | Bagder | got 6149 in december 2002 |
| 09:45:06 | Zagor | hehe |
| 09:45:34 | Zagor | i had a lovely lady send me 250+ virus mails in the last week... |
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| 09:45:48 | Bagder | nice :-/ |
| 09:45:54 | Bagder | hi matsl |
| 09:46:01 | matsl | hi |
| 09:47:01 | hardeep | welcome back :) |
| 09:49:21 | Zagor | it was a bit chilly cycling to work today :) |
| 09:49:27 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 09:49:30 | Bagder | I figure |
| 09:49:36 | Bagder | -15 ? |
| 09:49:48 | Zagor | nah, only -12 |
| 09:49:57 | matsl | Springtime! |
| 09:50:03 | hardeep | hehe, "only" |
| 09:50:10 | Zagor | but I got to use the short cut, across the lake instead of around it :-) |
| 09:50:20 | hardeep | laugh |
| 09:50:22 | * | Bagder laughs |
| 09:50:47 | matsl | triatlon next? |
| 09:51:00 | Bagder | the winter version |
| 09:51:05 | Zagor | matsl: hopyfully not :) |
| 09:51:07 | hardeep | cycling, skating, skiing ? |
| 09:51:43 | Zagor | cycling, crackle-crackle-splash, swimming |
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| 10:04:06 | Bagder | another openssh exploit |
| 10:04:30 | Zagor | ow |
| 10:10:09 | Zagor | but that is for old versions, right? 3.4 is 5 months old |
| 10:10:37 | Bagder | yes, 3.3 and earlier |
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| 11:01:58 | Zagor | who's got a player? don't we show the battery level during usb-connect? |
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| 11:29:51 | matsl | Zagor: I have a player (you know!) but haven't updated it lately. I might be able to swing that during the day. Interesting? |
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| 12:09:05 | Zagor | matsl: yes. we have a couple of requests for that, but I was under the impression it's already added |
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| 12:10:52 | matsl | I haven't seen it but as I said I haven't upgrade for a long time. I'll check it out. |
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| 13:25:45 | kargatron | back from the holidays? or something else? |
| 13:39:48 | Zagor | me? just back from a meeting |
| 13:39:54 | kargatron | ah |
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| 15:00:01 | bobTHC | hi all!!! |
| 15:00:31 | bobTHC | happy new year to all rockboxer!!! |
| 15:02:00 | kargatron | and to you |
| 15:02:49 | bobTHC | thx |
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| 15:59:36 | kargatron | can someone remind me what program fixes the xing(?) header? |
| 15:59:57 | kargatron | those vbr mp3s that give bad times in mp3 players - that's the problem, right? |
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| 16:00:10 | kargatron | rockbox recently just tanks on all those |
| 16:00:54 | Zagor | it does? is that a filed bug? |
| 16:02:50 | kargatron | yes, and dunno |
| 16:02:58 | kargatron | just noticed in the last month or so, and was gone much of that time |
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| 16:08:12 | kargatron | at least, those mp3s i have that are vbr and give me funky times in, say, winamp, - rockbox starts those, but tanks after the first buffer read after, it appears |
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| 16:27:17 | elinenbe | I want a gameboy advance emulator for the Archos |
| 16:27:21 | elinenbe | :) |
| 16:27:53 | bobTHC | and neogeo pocket too!!! |
| 16:28:14 | elinenbe | too few games for that system |
| 16:29:14 | bobTHC | but the best fighting games on portable system (pocket king of figher) |
| 16:29:18 | bobTHC | :) |
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| 16:40:45 | wethion | Hey folks. I'm (still) working on getting an Archos Jukebox Studio 10 to function on my system. I've compiled kernel 2.5.45 with USB support for just about everything, to no avail. I'm really at my wits end. I'm just going to sit here for a couple of minutes and type out everything that I think may be of help in getting this thing working. |
| 16:41:27 | wethion | OS: Debian unstable Kernel: 2.5.45 |
| 16:41:54 | Hadaka | so what happens when you plug the unit in? |
| 16:42:09 | wethion | hotplug is installed, but when I start it I get can't synthesize PCI events |
| 16:42:25 | Hadaka | hmmh |
| 16:42:38 | wethion | Hadaka: Nothing. The archos says USB active, but nothing appears in syslog. |
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| 16:43:28 | Hadaka | what bout lsusb & friends? nothing there as well? |
| 16:43:31 | wethion | at the end of teh kernel compile I get : depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.5.45/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.o depmod: ide_fix_driveid |
| 16:43:50 | wethion | Hadaka: Ahah.. that's teh sort of info I need.. lemme check.. |
| 16:44:02 | Bagder | Zagor: any news on the press-release work? |
| 16:44:43 | wethion | Hadaka: do you know if there's a package for lsusb? |
| 16:45:48 | Zagor | no |
| 16:46:26 | Hadaka | wethion: usb-storage is _needed_ - if it doesn't work, nothing works |
| 16:46:34 | Hadaka | usbutils is the lsusb package |
| 16:46:53 | wethion | Thanks.. getting now. |
| 16:47:25 | Hadaka | wethion: you need to go through your kernel compile again if you get depmod errors from usb-storage.o |
| 16:47:52 | Zagor | that driveid error is a known bug in 2.5.x |
| 16:48:02 | Zagor | silly bugger, too |
| 16:48:51 | wethion | Zagor: Fsck.. I'll have to look for a patch now. Thrillsville. |
| 16:49:08 | wethion | Zagor: do you know if there's a patch? |
| 16:49:39 | Zagor | wethion: yes there is. i'll look |
| 16:50:37 | wethion | Zagor: am looking also.. Thanks everyone for their assistance.. this has beena trial. |
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| 16:57:42 | Zagor | i have submitted fixes for this, but sometimes the kernel wheels grind slowly |
| 16:58:25 | Bagder | they sure do |
| 16:58:44 | Zagor | wethion: do you have ide disk support in your kernel? |
| 16:59:51 | wethion | Zagor: No, I'm running pure scsi, and I was told over on #debian that I didn't need it for USB drives. |
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| 17:00:32 | wethion | the ISD-200 acta as a bridge b/t USB abd ATA, so the system never sees that it's talking to an ATA drive. |
| 17:00:52 | Zagor | wethion: technically you don't, but currently you do. add CONFIG_IDE and your error should go away |
| 17:00:58 | wethion | damn my typing is off today. |
| 17:01:05 | wethion | Ok, *THANKS* so much. |
| 17:02:18 | elinenbe | quick question for a linux guru out there... |
| 17:03:03 | elinenbe | if I want to set up a server and I want a second server set up as a backup server, how can I make all requests go to the first server until it goes down and then all requests go to the backup server. |
| 17:04:03 | Bagder | elinenbe: there are several solutions, but none is simply described on a few lines of IRC, afaik |
| 17:04:22 | elinenbe | well, we have a whole channel here! :) |
| 17:04:42 | Hadaka | elinenbe: look for fail-over |
| 17:04:46 | Bagder | http://linux-ha.org/ |
| 17:04:50 | elinenbe | thanks. |
| 17:04:53 | Hadaka | elinenbe: fail-over routing, fail-over servers, fail-over anything |
| 17:05:06 | elinenbe | ok... I will check that out. |
| 17:05:22 | elinenbe | I was just put on a project here and I am not familiar with this territory |
| 17:05:54 | elinenbe | Hadaka: is there such thing as a hardware fail-over router? |
| 17:06:01 | Hadaka | elinenbe: yes |
| 17:06:21 | elinenbe | Hadaka: so, it seems like that may be the easiest solution. |
| 17:07:26 | wethion | elinenbe: If you are going to do that, then you may want to consider load balancing b/t the servers.. then if one fails the other gets the slack dumped in its lap. |
| 17:08:33 | elinenbe | well, there will never be much load at all. we are doing a web server here that will get about 100,000 hits a month |
| 17:08:49 | Bagder | load-balancing is a lot tricker than just fail-over |
| 17:08:49 | elinenbe | 3,000 hits to a webserver per day is nothing |
| 17:09:00 | elinenbe | Bagder: I agree with that. |
| 17:11:21 | Zagor | my homepage got ~2M hits last month, not counting rockbox... |
| 17:12:22 | elinenbe | Zagor: you are just too popular |
| 17:12:30 | elinenbe | what is the hitocunt of rockbox? |
| 17:12:30 | Bagder | that darned appartment site ;-) |
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| 17:13:16 | Zagor | elinenbe: almost 3M hits dec 2002 |
| 17:13:37 | Bagder | hits as in requests? |
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| 17:13:57 | Zagor | uh, no wrong. 750k hits in dec. |
| 17:14:05 | Zagor | yes. hit=request |
| 17:14:11 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/statistics/ |
| 17:15:20 | Zagor | ~90000 unique visitors in 2002. that's nice :-) |
| 17:16:25 | Bagder | nice number indeed |
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| 17:17:49 | Zagor | i like the robot statistics. googlebot was last here 01:11 this morning. 7308 hits from them so far this year... |
| 17:19:12 | Zagor | 1 hit from StarOffice :-) |
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| 17:34:22 | wethion | Zagor: Hrm. to no avail on the ide_fix_driveid. I jsut searched the kernel bug tracker for ide_fix_driveid and got nothing in return. schisse. should I try 2.5.54? I'm out of ideas. |
| 17:36:46 | wethion | Oh, shit I can't. >2.5.48 requires a version of the module utilities that is not in debian unstable yet, and I'd screw my upgrade path. |
| 17:38:31 | Zagor_ | you mean CONFIG_IDE didn't help? |
| 17:38:58 | wethion | Zagor_: Nope.. got the identical error. wanna see my .config? |
| 17:39:16 | wethion | I can post it on my page in 2 seconds. |
| 17:39:16 | Zagor_ | no, sorry i have to go. |
| 17:39:58 | wethion | Ok, cool. Thanks for your help though. at least I have a path I can follow. |
| 17:41:18 | Zagor_ | yup. good luck! |
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| 19:23:17 | Jet8810 | SHIT |
| 19:23:33 | Jet8810 | I left my archos on the airplane and bye bye |
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| 19:25:05 | ken0_ | my friend left one on the bus (6GB) and the second one he bought (10GB) he left for a seocnd in the dining room |
| 19:25:14 | kargatron | suck |
| 19:25:40 | Jet8810 | whoa |
| 19:25:41 | Jet8810 | thats bad |
| 19:26:01 | ken0_ | yeah... he now thinks that maybe god doesn't really want him to have an archos, so he's not sure if he should get another one :) |
| 19:30:09 | hardeep | Jet8810: don't most airlines have some sort of a lost and found? |
| 19:30:52 | Jet8810 | lol ken |
| 19:30:57 | Jet8810 | dunno hardeep |
| 19:31:00 | kargatron | doesn't work so well if it's stolen, but certainly he should ask :) |
| 19:31:06 | Jet8810 | but if the cleaning people foudn an mp3 player, what are the chances they turn it in? |
| 19:31:10 | hardeep | they scour the plane pretty well after someone leaves |
| 19:31:49 | Jet8810 | and turn in stuff or keep it? |
| 19:31:50 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 19:31:51 | hardeep | an electronic device on a plane? it's likely reported frequently heh |
| 19:32:12 | hardeep | still, doesn't hurt to call the airline |
| 19:32:14 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 19:32:17 | Jet8810 | true |
| 19:34:16 | Jet8810 | so which one of you is going to sell me a recorder cheap?> ;) |
| 19:35:16 | kargatron | they're all cheap nowadays, aren't they? |
| 19:35:38 | kargatron | a used one is probably a bargain by now, not that i've looked... |
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| 21:33:05 | strwdle | could someone give me some advice |
| 21:33:12 | strwdle | please? |
| 21:34:18 | kargatron | you might have better luck asking something specific :) |
| 21:34:28 | kargatron | but ok - eat well, exercise, listen to your mother |
| 21:34:52 | strwdle | righteoo |
| 21:35:05 | strwdle | I had the old 'part check hdd error' |
| 21:35:10 | strwdle | so I ran atapwd |
| 21:35:13 | strwdle | or whatever the program is called |
| 21:35:23 | strwdle | followed all the intrtuctions etc |
| 21:35:28 | strwdle | but it didn't unlokc it |
| 21:37:42 | kargatron | unfamiliar with that error myself, sorry. |
| 21:38:52 | strwdle | darn |
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| 21:42:35 | strwdle | there's a whole page on it on the site |
| 21:42:42 | strwdle | I think it's a common problem |
| 21:42:50 | strwdle | if I re-format it, would that solve it? |
| 21:44:56 | kargatron | reformatting is always an optimistic option, if data loss isn't an issue. |
| 21:51:38 | strwdle | it isn't really |
| 21:51:44 | strwdle | will it run if the hdd is empty? |
| 21:51:59 | strwdle | or does it need files on it? |
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| 22:04:39 | strwdleoo | argh, this is doing my head in! |
| 22:05:16 | kargatron | after reformat, for rockbox you mean? |
| 22:05:28 | kargatron | you need a .rockbox directory, and ajbrec.ajz in the root |
| 22:05:42 | kargatron | and mp3 if you want it to play anything :) |
| 22:05:43 | strwdleoo | I can't reformat it by plugging it in using the usb? |
| 22:05:50 | strwdleoo | I need to take the hdd out right? |
| 22:05:55 | strwdleoo | lol |
| 22:05:58 | kargatron | no, of course, thru usb |
| 22:06:21 | strwdleoo | ok, I've downloaded and installed the software from archos |
| 22:06:48 | kargatron | are you asking rockbox questions? i'm not sure what your situation is |
| 22:06:53 | strwdleoo | should it come up in my computer? |
| 22:06:55 | strwdleoo | yes |
| 22:07:54 | kargatron | ah, so you're having trouble booting in the first place from the archos firmware? such that hooking up to USB doesn't show up, cuz it's not booting? |
| 22:08:01 | strwdleoo | yeah |
| 22:08:14 | strwdleoo | although is says usb active when I connect |
| 22:08:31 | strwdleoo | should I download the firmware? |
| 22:08:49 | kargatron | if you can't boot enough for usb to work, it's defective and needs replacement, i'd guess. |
| 22:09:06 | kargatron | otoh, i don't know enough about hardware problems to give reliable advice |
| 22:09:14 | strwdleoo | can't I get another hard disk? |
| 22:09:31 | strwdleoo | it boots up so that win2k detects it |
| 22:10:01 | kargatron | then try reformatting - if that's possible, might as well try |
| 22:10:23 | strwdleoo | will it boot up without the jukebox folder etc? |
| 22:11:18 | strwdleoo | who on here is better equipped to help me? |
| 22:11:29 | kargatron | i assume they'd be answering... :) |
| 22:11:47 | kargatron | arhos firmware will boot up with nothing, since it's in ROM |
| 22:12:01 | kargatron | that's enough for the USB, if it boots |
| 22:12:12 | kargatron | then reformat |
| 22:12:22 | kargatron | then add rockbox etc |
| 22:12:30 | kargatron | then see if error's gone |
| 22:12:42 | strwdleoo | thing is, it detects the jukebox etc |
| 22:12:46 | strwdleoo | everything |
| 22:12:47 | kargatron | yes |
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| 22:12:56 | strwdleoo | how do I actually access the hdd? |
| 22:13:03 | strwdleoo | should it come up in my computer? |
| 22:13:10 | kargatron | yes |
| 22:13:36 | kargatron | what actually happens? |
| 22:13:44 | strwdleoo | hmmm, well it detects the jukebox |
| 22:13:51 | strwdleoo | but nothing comes up in my computer |
| 22:14:19 | strwdleoo | I'm sure it all works because I used the hadd in my laptop earlier |
| 22:14:27 | kargatron | try 'scanning for hardware changes' from the device manager for kicks |
| 22:14:36 | kargatron | or maybe you don't have right usb drivers? |
| 22:14:37 | strwdleoo | okedokes |
| 22:14:40 | strwdleoo | could be |
| 22:15:38 | strwdleoo | hmm the hard drive is whirring |
| 22:16:20 | strwdleoo | I just let win2k install it all for me |
| 22:16:23 | strwdleoo | auto detect etc |
| 22:17:11 | kargatron | usually works |
| 22:17:54 | strwdleoo | u know in the system trat |
| 22:18:00 | strwdleoo | there is an icon with a hdd |
| 22:18:03 | strwdleoo | and a green cross |
| 22:18:21 | strwdleoo | if I hover over it, it says 'no drives detected' |
| 22:18:36 | strwdleoo | but yet it's installed all the drivers for the drive |
| 22:19:07 | kargatron | in 'cmd' window, what happens when you type 'E:' (or whatever the free drive letter is for the jb)? |
| 22:19:26 | strwdleoo | erm |
| 22:19:31 | strwdleoo | it would be G:\ I think |
| 22:19:36 | kargatron | ok |
| 22:20:21 | strwdleoo | bollocks |
| 22:20:48 | strwdleoo | shall I try coming on at a different time and seeing if anyone else here has any other ideas> |
| 22:22:16 | kargatron | yeah, or email the yahoo and rockbox groups, perhaps |
| 22:22:48 | strwdleoo | thanks |
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| 22:28:06 | wethion_ | Hey Folks. I've been trying to get my Archos jukebox studio to work on my linux system for a couple of days now. I've made some headway recently, like I've got the kernel to register USB. However, I still do not get any notices in syslog when I disconnect the USB connection. I need additional suggestions. |
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| 22:35:24 | devZer0 | wethion, what kernel do you have? |
| 22:40:45 | wethion_ | devZer0: 2.4.20-k7 |
| 22:43:21 | devZer0 | usb 2.0 or 1.1 chipset ? |
| 22:44:59 | wethion_ | devZer0: how do I tell? |
| 22:45:26 | devZer0 | is it OnBoard ? |
| 22:45:44 | wethion_ | Yes. |
| 22:45:50 | devZer0 | which board? |
| 22:46:03 | wethion_ | as in my motherboard? |
| 22:46:28 | devZer0 | :) pardon. i meant "which motherboard model" |
| 22:47:01 | devZer0 | do you have asus, gigabyte.... ? |
| 22:47:41 | wethion_ | soyo k7v dragon plus.. |
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| 22:48:04 | devZer0 | one moment |
| 22:48:07 | wethion_ | I'd forgotten who make it.. know the model, not the maker.. |
| 22:49:04 | devZer0 | it is the maker and the model, you mentioned :) |
| 22:49:10 | devZer0 | see www.soyo.com |
| 22:49:40 | wethion_ | Oh, I know. I had to get the box to see who make it. :) |
| 22:50:04 | wethion_ | It appears that teh dragon + uses USB 2.0 |
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| 22:51:04 | wethion_ | whoops wrong board. |
| 22:52:56 | devZer0 | no - it seems to have 1.1 |
| 22:53:07 | devZer0 | you should go buy addon card :) 1.1 sucks :) |
| 22:53:26 | devZer0 | i damn bastard bought notebook with usb 1.1 |
| 22:53:31 | devZer0 | :( |
| 22:55:48 | wethion_ | Bah, 1.1 it is.. however that should not prevent it from working afaik. I have this plugged into my girlfriend's windows system, and it worked right away. |
| 22:56:02 | wethion_ | s/have/had/ |
| 22:56:35 | devZer0 | yes - jukebox works with 1.1 flawlessly |
| 22:56:53 | wethion_ | and her system is close to 3 years old, a pentium II for cryin out loud. |
| 22:56:58 | devZer0 | unfortunately i have no linux around here |
| 22:57:05 | devZer0 | :) |
| 22:57:13 | devZer0 | err, wait a minute. |
| 22:57:27 | wethion_ | devZer0: I'm just so frustrated, three days for mucking about with this. Sure, I'll wait. |
| 22:58:56 | devZer0 | hey - stupid electronics and electronics stuff isn`t worth being frustrated about :D |
| 22:59:11 | devZer0 | have stopped that years ago :) |
| 22:59:52 | devZer0 | i make it the other way: i expect things to fail and i`m happy, if it works, though :D |
| 22:59:54 | wethion_ | something just occurred to me. Do I need the firmware from rockbox on there first? I'd think I would be able to at least *see* the bloody thing without the firmware. |
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| 23:00:06 | devZer0 | yes |
| 23:00:29 | devZer0 | there is builtin firmware - nothing is needed on the hdd. |
| 23:00:30 | wethion_ | devZer0: that's a very good perspective. |
| 23:00:48 | devZer0 | you can even partition and reformat your archos hdd via usb |
| 23:01:09 | devZer0 | it`s just a "dumb" device as every other usb mass storage |
| 23:01:36 | wethion_ | that's what I thought.. then why can't I get it to work. Bleh. |
| 23:02:06 | devZer0 | because linux usb support isnt that perfect at this moment |
| 23:02:34 | devZer0 | or you have some hardware incompatibility. have seen such with an usb modem. |
| 23:03:19 | devZer0 | but your board doesnt seem to be toooo old, so it shouldn`t. the isd300 (usb chipset in jukebox) is a nice piece of |
| 23:03:22 | devZer0 | hardware |
| 23:04:24 | wethion_ | devZer0: did you say isd300?????? |
| 23:04:29 | wethion_ | are you sure it |
| 23:04:37 | wethion_ | s isd300 and not isd200? |
| 23:04:58 | devZer0 | do you have jukebox recorder 20 ? |
| 23:05:48 | wethion_ | devZer0: no a jukebox studio 10. |
| 23:06:15 | wethion_ | I already had a 4 hr digital recorder. |
| 23:08:24 | devZer0 | you meant you recorded 4hrs with that? |
| 23:09:49 | wethion_ | OH, no, when I purchased the archos, I could have gotten a recorder, however, I had a 4 hr voice recorder so I didn't need the fucntionality. |
| 23:10:29 | devZer0 | mh, how much was jb studio cheaper ? |
| 23:11:28 | wethion_ | close to 100.00 USD. |
| 23:12:16 | devZer0 | ok, that is some difference. |
| 23:13:27 | devZer0 | but you have just usb 1.1, smaller hdd, no graphical lcd display, haven`t you ? |
| 23:16:07 | wethion_ | right.. |
| 23:16:52 | wethion_ | Heh, I was searchign for debian and archos studio on google, and got a transcript of this channel when I first was on here originally. |
| 23:17:38 | devZer0 | think, this is the best archos support channel :) |
| 23:19:11 | devZer0 | but dont expect tooo much from me - i`m not that linux usb expert. |
| 23:19:13 | devZer0 | :) |
| 23:19:19 | devZer0 | but perhaps i can help |
| 23:27:14 | devZer0 | just booting linux inside vmware - never tried to mount my jukebox inside that... |
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| 23:33:16 | wethion_ | mmmmMMMmmm vmware nice.. full install? |
| 23:33:30 | shayes | Can anyone answer some questions for me? |
| 23:33:45 | wethion_ | shayes: just ask. |
| 23:33:55 | devZer0 | hey, shayes. that`s what this channel is for :) |
| 23:34:46 | shayes | I have a Recorder 20 and just downloaded version 1.4 of Rockbox. Reading the documentation on the Rockbox website it says that as of 11/12/02 the software has recorder capability. Where is it? |
| 23:35:48 | devZer0 | try one of the daily builds |
| 23:36:11 | shayes | Are these things that you have to upload seperately? |
| 23:37:58 | wethion_ | shayes: can't help you there, but if you've got a second, can you answer a question or two about getting the jukebox running on Linux? |
| 23:38:19 | shayes | I have no idea about Linux...sorry. |
| 23:38:45 | wethion_ | what are you running your recorder on? |
| 23:38:51 | devZer0 | call 1.4 an "official/stable release" - the daily builds are just made from the actual development source |
| 23:39:18 | Hadaka | just ask |
| 23:39:24 | shayes | Do you use a Recorder 20? |
| 23:40:15 | wethion_ | shayes: no, a studio 10, however as far as I can tell, the underlying technology is the same as far as USB is concerned. |
| 23:40:17 | Hadaka | yes, I have a recorder 20 |
| 23:40:20 | devZer0 | wethion, do you get any kernel message, that kernel recognizes usb chipset ? |
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| 23:40:37 | wethion_ | devZer0: Yes.. on boot, the chipset is registered. |
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| 23:40:57 | Hadaka | wethion_: what does 'lsusb' say about the device? |
| 23:40:58 | devZer0 | and a cat /proc/bus/usb/devices gives? |
| 23:41:02 | wethion_ | I can post the dmesg readout. |
| 23:41:05 | shayes | Hadaka - do you have recorder capability with your version of rockbox? |
| 23:41:24 | wethion_ | from lsusb: cannot open /proc/bus/usb, No such file or directory (2) |
| 23:41:38 | Hadaka | shayes: the 1.4 release doesn't have recording capability - you need to use a daily build or a bleeding edge firmware |
| 23:41:52 | Hadaka | shayes: the next release will contain the recording functionality |
| 23:42:24 | shayes | Hadaka - do you know what daily build I need? |
| 23:42:25 | Hadaka | wethion_: you haven't compiled usb proc subsystem in your kernel - that's not fatal, but it hurts debugging atleast |
| 23:42:30 | Hadaka | shayes: any, they all have it |
| 23:42:41 | devZer0 | shayes: you can take a look on recording functionality when you install daily build from: http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml |
| 23:43:24 | shayes | OK...also version 1.4 talks about trickle charging the batteries but I could find nothing about this in the software anywhere. What is the deal with this? |
| 23:43:38 | devZer0 | wethion: what does lsmod give about usb ? usb-ohci, usb-uhci and such ??? |
| 23:43:45 | wethion_ | am going to get it now. |
| 23:44:08 | Hadaka | shayes: version 1.4 doesn't have trickle charge either, it is more recent |
| 23:44:23 | Hadaka | shayes: you are probably reading documentation from a later than 1.4 source |
| 23:44:33 | shayes | Hadaka - when is that expected to be out? |
| 23:44:43 | Hadaka | shayes: you can download a daily build right now |
| 23:44:55 | shayes | with trickle charge included? |
| 23:45:04 | Hadaka | shayes: yesyes, everything is in the latest daily builds |
| 23:45:17 | shayes | OK..let me check it out...brb |
| 23:48:43 | wethion_ | fsck.. bbiab. |
| 23:49:05 | devZer0 | ext2 ? :)) |
| 23:50:09 | | Quit edx () |
| 23:50:27 | shayes | Hadaka - do you just unzip that daily build directly to the Archos just like you were installing it for the first time? |
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| 23:51:34 | Hadaka | shayes: you rename the whatever .ajz to ajbrec.ajz and put it in the root directory, just like normal rockbox installation |
| 23:53:15 | shayes | Hadaka - OK...what are all the other files for then? |
| 23:54:26 | Hadaka | shayes: what other files? |
| 23:54:38 | Hadaka | hm, let's do this the simplest way |
| 23:54:48 | shayes | In the daily build I downloaded there were over 200 files. |
| 23:55:04 | Hadaka | shayes: you must've downloaded the source |
| 23:55:16 | Hadaka | anyway, let's do it this way: |
| 23:55:17 | Hadaka | http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-recorder/ajbrec.ajz |
| 23:55:32 | Hadaka | there's a bleeding edge (or BE) build that contains all the latest code |
| 23:55:41 | Hadaka | it gets updated every 20 minutes or something |
| 23:55:59 | shayes | Hadaka - UH...I'm a dumbass...I downloaded the tarball...I guess that was the wrong one. |
| 23:56:06 | Hadaka | there is a slight possibility that that might have new bugs that haven't been discovered yet, but usually it's the best revision to run |
| 23:56:15 | Hadaka | it contains recording, and it contains trickle charge |
| 23:56:43 | devZer0 | ...and works good (for me) |
| 23:56:58 | shayes | OK...what is the difference between the target builds and the bleeding edge builds? |
| 23:58:11 | Hadaka | shayes: target builds are done every day, bleeding edge every 20 minutes |
| 23:58:46 | shayes | OK...thanks...let me see if this new file works. |
| 23:58:59 | | Quit mecraw__ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
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