| 00:01:38 | kargatron | shuffle problems? |
| 00:02:51 | Naked | kargatron: well, "problems" - I don't think there's a bug per se, but I don't like the way it behaves |
| 00:03:44 | kargatron | too many near neighbors? |
| 00:06:01 | BoD[] | not really random? |
| 00:08:36 | kargatron | i bet it's fairly random, which is a problem - random isn't "random" enough for most people - humans live to pick out patterns |
| 00:09:01 | BoD[] | :)) what is "real" random? |
| 00:09:09 | kargatron | i certainyl get the impression often that there's too much 'bunching' in shuffle, but i'm not prepared to say that it's not random. |
| 00:09:22 | Naked | err err, no not about that |
| 00:09:55 | kargatron | well, real random is a mathematical entity - "random" in quotes is what people think random is :) |
| 00:10:09 | kargatron | but Naked's not talking about that, so... |
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| 00:11:10 | Naked | um, but let me confirm one thing - what happens when the playlist is played through in shuffle mode, when the final song has been played? |
| 00:11:30 | kargatron | pl ends |
| 00:11:44 | Naked | with 'all' repeat on? |
| 00:11:59 | kargatron | oh, then i think the same shuffle order repeats |
| 00:12:20 | Naked | well that's problem number one - and it can't be fixed by re-shuffling the list when it repeats |
| 00:13:02 | Zagor | i agree with kargatron. i hear patterns in the shuffled play too. |
| 00:13:28 | BoD[] | me, i see patterns in pi. |
| 00:13:39 | kargatron | but until someone does a statistical analysis, i'm not prepared to call those patterns real, is all |
| 00:13:44 | Naked | oh the shuffling algorithm isn't nice |
| 00:13:46 | BoD[] | but nobody believes me :) |
| 00:14:02 | Zagor | Naked: in what way? |
| 00:15:05 | Naked | Zagor: umm, all it does is perhaps swaps the current song with a random one while going through the playlist |
| 00:15:50 | Naked | that's not going to create an even distribution I believe |
| 00:16:30 | Zagor | no? any suggestion how we should do instead? |
| 00:16:42 | Naked | if you'd wish for an random ordering of the songs, you'd need to pick songs randomly from the playlist and place them in a new list in that order - or a similar algorithm which does the same in-place |
| 00:16:46 | Naked | but |
| 00:16:59 | Naked | the problem gets trickier with 'all' repeat, so it'd be best to solve both problems at once |
| 00:17:26 | Naked | though I could write a small trivial patch for the random picking |
| 00:17:33 | kargatron | Naked, is your dissatisfaction with the algortihm anything other than a 'hunch'? |
| 00:18:01 | Zagor | i don't see how random picking is any different from random swapping? |
| 00:19:07 | Naked | kargatron: err, it's not a hunch - random swapping while going through the list in order means that songs that get swapped to a spot higher than they were have a chance of getting swapped repeatedly |
| 00:19:21 | Naked | um, I think I could write a small proggie to demonstrate |
| 00:19:28 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:19:28 | Naked | and to convince myself, too :) |
| 00:22:11 | Zagor | can you do random picking without using twice the ram? |
| 00:22:32 | BoD[] | intuitivly i say yes |
| 00:23:46 | Naked | Zagor: yes |
| 00:23:48 | Naked | trivially |
| 00:24:07 | Zagor | ok, good |
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| 00:25:37 | kargatron | i'm unconvinced Naked's objection has statistical validity. i think conceptually understanding the stat. issues behind shuffling is less than obvious. :) (not saying i do) |
| 00:26:06 | kargatron | e.g. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=shuffle+algorithms&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=7eb8ac3e.0109031259.6ceb5509%40posting.google.com&rnum=1 |
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| 00:26:10 | Naked | kargatron: we'll see, I'm not exactly convinced myself now when I re-read the algorithm |
| 00:26:31 | Zagor | i freely admit i'm pretty clueless about random issues |
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| 00:28:09 | Naked | actually, that algorithm seems to do the picking sort exactly, I was just baffled by the reducing 'count' in the loop |
| 00:28:16 | Naked | lemme re-read it once more |
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| 00:30:34 | Naked | hmh, yes - it just does semi-unnecessary swapping all the time |
| 00:31:07 | Naked | so the only bias that randomise algorithm gets is from the not so good use of rand() |
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| 00:31:19 | Zagor | yes it does. otherwise we'd have to mark swapped entries somehow |
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| 00:32:50 | Naked | the mersenne twister that's rand() there is a very good algorithm even in the low-order bits of randomness - but even still, a better method to obtain a random number from 0 to n is to use the whole range, instead of just some bits from it |
| 00:33:51 | Zagor | yes. but rand() returns a value between 0 and RAND_MAX in a signed int, so we have to limit it to 31 bits |
| 00:34:27 | Naked | Zagor: yes but I was referring to the use of modulo there, which basically takes the low-order bits from the number and that's all |
| 00:34:33 | kargatron | hm, i'd think 'user satisfaction' of a shuffle has very little connection to the quality of the rand - i.e. even a poor rand won't be negatively noticed by users |
| 00:34:48 | Naked | kargatron: yup, that's very true |
| 00:35:10 | mecraw | our first rand() was negatively noticed by users |
| 00:35:12 | Zagor | ah |
| 00:35:16 | Naked | this is just mostly theoretical discussion |
| 00:35:23 | kargatron | in fact, a smart non-random shuffler is needed to reduce clumping, i bet. |
| 00:35:33 | Naked | well |
| 00:35:34 | kargatron | i think winamp 3 has a configurable shuffle |
| 00:35:46 | Naked | the thing is, when there's 'all' repeat on and shuffle on |
| 00:36:06 | kargatron | yes, a different issue. |
| 00:36:21 | Naked | what is wanted is rather a biased true random play |
| 00:36:40 | kargatron | Naked, obviously, if you're repeating a playlist - they're too damn short! :) |
| 00:36:48 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 00:37:03 | Jet8810 | does music match make "unmessy" playlists? |
| 00:37:18 | Naked | kargatron: I usually pick a cd and listen to it for a couple of days - first in order, then on shuffle - and then pick a next cd |
| 00:37:58 | Zagor | life signs from linus |
| 00:37:59 | kargatron | i'm the opposite - never listen to albums on mp3 |
| 00:38:20 | kargatron | i get enough of that from cds - mp3s let me NOT do that :) |
| 00:39:07 | Jet8810 | does music match make "unmessy" playlists? |
| 00:39:23 | Jet8810 | like no C:\this\that\mp3s\blah\b;ajb;aj |
| 00:39:25 | Jet8810 | :) |
| 00:39:43 | kargatron | afaik no, that's what everyone complains about |
| 00:39:44 | Jet8810 | I have never used .m3us in my life lol :) |
| 00:39:51 | BoD[] | jet8810 : I dont know.. you should try with dir /s and stuff, or install cygwin and use "find". |
| 00:39:52 | kargatron | never used it, can't answer for sure |
| 00:40:06 | Jet8810 | k |
| 00:42:00 | kargatron | nite |
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| 01:06:22 | BoD[] | i go to bed now ! see you all bye |
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| 01:32:58 | Zagor | LinusN! |
| 01:33:10 | LinusN | yo man! |
| 01:33:17 | Zagor | back in stockholm? |
| 01:33:47 | LinusN | nope, i will stay in Gothenburg a few more weeks |
| 01:33:52 | Zagor | oh, ok |
| 01:34:04 | Zagor | will you have any time for rockbox work? |
| 01:34:06 | LinusN | it's better for Sara here |
| 01:34:18 | LinusN | not much rb work, unfortunately |
| 01:34:18 | Zagor | ok |
| 01:34:32 | LinusN | but i will try to work a little |
| 01:35:39 | LinusN | the kids take all my time, now when Rasmus doesn't go to the daycare center |
| 01:35:50 | Zagor | yeah, I can understand that |
| 01:36:10 | LinusN | that's why i sit here in the middle of the night |
| 01:36:11 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:36:16 | Zagor | hehe |
| 01:36:39 | Zagor | uwe had a problem with backlight not staying turned off, have you seen that in the mailing list? |
| 01:36:44 | LinusN | running Windows...damn soft modem crap |
| 01:36:50 | Zagor | ugh |
| 01:36:55 | LinusN | yeah i have had that problem a long time |
| 01:37:01 | Zagor | o |
| 01:37:02 | Zagor | k |
| 01:37:04 | LinusN | (backlight) |
| 01:37:20 | LinusN | and the poweroff problem too |
| 01:37:57 | LinusN | i don't know what causes it |
| 01:38:15 | Zagor | ok |
| 01:38:40 | LinusN | but i can imagine that the RTC is onvolved |
| 01:39:08 | LinusN | perhaps it tristates the squarewave output when the power is lost |
| 01:39:33 | LinusN | and it goes low, lighting up the LEDS |
| 01:40:13 | LinusN | most of the time, the poweroff function works |
| 01:40:21 | LinusN | just not when i'm working on it :-) |
| 01:40:36 | LinusN | like when iu worked on the sleep timer |
| 01:40:53 | Zagor | murphy never dies. |
| 01:40:56 | Zagor | nor sleeps |
| 01:41:01 | LinusN | well, i gotta go to bed now |
| 01:41:19 | LinusN | give my regards to the RB folks |
| 01:41:28 | Zagor | yup |
| 01:41:38 | Zagor | say hi to sara from us |
| 01:41:54 | Naked | from me too :) |
| 01:42:29 | LinusN | will do, bye all |
| 01:42:32 | LinusN | nite |
| 01:42:35 | Zagor | bye |
| 01:42:36 | Naked | nights |
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| 03:27:39 | alexl | howdy |
| 03:28:29 | alexl | i dont suppose anyone can help me out with the new queueing system? |
| 03:31:05 | Zagor | what's your problem? |
| 03:31:59 | alexl | when i attempt to queue it tells me 'Queue buffer full' |
| 03:34:15 | Zagor | on your first attempt? |
| 03:34:33 | Zagor | there is only room for 100 tracks in the queue |
| 03:34:46 | alexl | right it was my first attempt |
| 03:35:38 | alexl | am i doing something wrong? i turned on the player and started a song.. then i pressed 'on', selected another song and held down the 'play' button |
| 03:36:00 | Zagor | no, that is the correct procedure. there must be a bug. |
| 03:36:59 | alexl | i tried it with the bleeding edge build and then the most recend daily build |
| 03:37:08 | alexl | *recent |
| 03:37:54 | Zagor | ok. could you file a bug report? |
| 03:38:55 | alexl | yessir I was going to but I just wanted to check and make sure i wasnt doing anything wrong |
| 03:39:11 | alexl | is there a build that you know has the queueing function working? |
| 03:40:22 | EGM92 | Zagor I also have the same problem when I try to queue something it doesn't queue it jsut starts playing |
| 03:41:18 | Zagor | alexl: the bleeding edge build from the web page is as late as there is. it's simply a bug we need to fix. |
| 03:41:50 | Zagor | EGM92: it only queues if you are already playing music. otherwise it starts playing the file. |
| 03:42:33 | EGM92 | i am play a song |
| 03:42:43 | alexl | alright thank you for your help, i'll have a bug report up in a bit |
| 03:43:11 | Zagor | EGM92: ok, then I don't know. it doesn't happen that way for me. |
| 03:43:22 | Zagor | anyhow, i'm off to bed now. see you later! |
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| 03:43:34 | EGM92 | lets say im playnig a song, then I click on the ON butten and tehn it takes me back to my songdir, then I search for the song I want to queue and I hit the play button or press it down it starts to play the song |
| 03:52:12 | hardeep | alexl: do you have a .rockbox directory? |
| 03:52:27 | alexl | no i dont |
| 03:52:39 | hardeep | alexl: that's the problem... you need to creat one |
| 03:52:49 | alexl | ok where are instructions on how to do this? |
| 03:52:59 | hardeep | we store the queue list information in that directory.... if it doesn't exist we can't save it |
| 03:53:02 | alexl | i attempted to once, but i couldnt find documentation on how to do it |
| 03:53:04 | alexl | oh alright |
| 03:53:09 | hardeep | what OS do you use? |
| 03:53:18 | alexl | windows xp :( |
| 03:53:39 | hardeep | alexl: open up the command prompt (start->run->"cmd") |
| 03:53:52 | alexl | ok |
| 03:53:54 | hardeep | go to your jukebox... e.g. g: |
| 03:54:01 | alexl | right |
| 03:54:01 | hardeep | then "mkdir .rockbox" |
| 03:54:27 | hardeep | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#65 |
| 03:54:33 | alexl | gosh im not up with dos |
| 03:54:54 | alexl | ok thank you, all i needis that folder and ill be able to use it? |
| 03:54:57 | hardeep | yep |
| 03:55:08 | hardeep | if it doesn't work... post a bug, i'll look at it later tonight |
| 03:55:10 | alexl | ok I apprecaite your help |
| 03:55:14 | alexl | alright thank you very much |
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| 03:56:01 | alexl | ha alright thanks again |
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| 04:00:41 | EGM92 | Hey hardeep, i got the .rockbox fodler, do I need to put my songs into that .rockbox directory to make the que list work? |
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| 04:43:45 | hardeep | EGM92: no, the folder just needs to exist. You can play songs from any directory |
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| 04:51:08 | EGM92 | oh ok |
| 04:51:44 | EGM92 | Since I see you guys are maknig yourown firmware and stuff do you guys know any other people making little applications and stuff? |
| 04:51:51 | EGM92 | besides Rcokbox? |
| 04:52:05 | hardeep | for the archos jukebox? |
| 04:55:51 | hardeep | EGM92: btw, regarding your earlier question... make sure you hold on to play for a second or so if you want to queue a song |
| 04:56:08 | hardeep | don't just hit play and release... this will start the song instead of queuing it |
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| 08:02:10 | Asskick | guys i got a question.. anyone here has the Multimedia Jukebox ? |
| 08:02:28 | Asskick | its cuz i mixed the power supplies with others |
| 08:02:36 | Asskick | and now i dont know which one is the correct for the unit :S |
| 08:07:27 | Asskick | any1? |
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| 08:26:41 | ricII | morning... |
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| 08:34:35 | hardeep | heya bagder |
| 08:34:50 | Bagder | hi |
| 08:43:21 | ricII | is the malloc stuff gonna be used at sometime? |
| 08:44:16 | Bagder | if we must, otherwise not ;-) |
| 08:44:59 | ricII | would be nice if we had some general cache buffer space.. |
| 08:45:06 | hardeep | i noticed that zagor has a global shared memory buffer in his TODO list |
| 08:45:16 | hardeep | that's probably the closest we'll probably get |
| 08:45:36 | Bagder | right, but that is far simpler than malloc |
| 08:46:18 | hardeep | yeah |
| 08:46:35 | ricII | for playlists, queuing, dircaches etc |
| 08:46:49 | Bagder | ricII: we don't use malloc for that |
| 08:47:45 | ricII | but all are allocated staticly wasting space.. |
| 08:48:02 | Bagder | no, not since we need them to be able to use all the memory at the same time anyway |
| 08:48:31 | Bagder | then we gain space, since we have no fragmentation |
| 08:49:45 | ricII | but it imposes limits on things like the queue & direntries .. |
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| 08:49:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 08:50:01 | Bagder | but simply going to malloc() would not be an easy route to fix that |
| 08:50:24 | ricII | no y'r right.. |
| 08:52:05 | ricII | but re-using e.g. the dirbuffer in the text-viewer would be nice. |
| 08:52:35 | Bagder | well, that's basicly why we talk about that global shared buffer |
| 08:52:44 | Bagder | all apps today have their own buffer |
| 08:53:03 | Bagder | the dirbuffer can't be reused though |
| 08:53:06 | ricII | well that's what i meant some sort of mem sharing |
| 08:54:35 | ricII | Bagder: why not ? it can always be rebuild? |
| 08:54:47 | Bagder | it is used for playback when playing a dir |
| 08:54:57 | Bagder | like a playlist in mem |
| 08:55:22 | ricII | Bagder: but I was about to change that anyways ;) (dynamic playlists) |
| 08:56:17 | Bagder | so you intend to make even a simple dirplay use a dynamic playlist? |
| 08:56:43 | ricII | yes, for the sake of simplicity |
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| 08:57:34 | Bagder | I wouldn't agree that it is simpler, but if made that way the dirbuffer can be that same global shared memory buffer indeed |
| 08:57:48 | ricII | would also make it easy to queue / add entiry directories |
| 08:58:07 | Bagder | add to what? |
| 08:58:25 | ricII | the (dynamic) playlist |
| 08:58:29 | Bagder | ah |
| 08:58:30 | Bagder | right |
| 08:58:51 | Bagder | but it'll be a new concept |
| 08:59:23 | Bagder | that when people do "play" on a single song, they can add songs to the dir, but not really the dir but instead the dynamic playlist ;-) |
| 08:59:43 | ricII | yes, you could build playlist on the spot & save them. |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:50 | ricII | verry close to queuing wich is more a sort of fifo taking precedence |
| 09:03:44 | Bagder | anyway, whether dirplay uses this or not, it'll be a nice feature |
| 09:04:16 | ricII | I would like to use rb more autonomous |
| 09:04:27 | hardeep | i like the idea of dirplay also being a dynamic playlist |
| 09:04:48 | hardeep | it simplifies the playlist code (removes all the in_ram code)... also frees memory |
| 09:04:52 | Bagder | I think I do too, it would remove some kludge code |
| 09:05:22 | ricII | yep, that's my biggest problem with the current code |
| 09:06:42 | ricII | also the font stuff kinda grow on the recorder-lcd. |
| 09:07:41 | ricII | using small-prop fonts leads to problem every where.. |
| 09:10:13 | hardeep | oh, we can update a couple of entries in the feature comparison chart: queueing and bad path prefixes |
| 09:10:22 | Bagder | ah, right |
| 09:10:35 | Bagder | me fix |
| 09:11:10 | hardeep | hmmm, with dynamic playlist dirplay, we could also potentially remove the 400 song restriction.... i see that complaint a lot |
| 09:11:17 | ricII | font_y != 8, wsp, debug->mpeg widgets are to big, placed wrong. scrolling code behaves funny in menus etc.. |
| 09:11:29 | hardeep | ack, actually not, sorting... blah |
| 09:11:35 | hardeep | for shuffle play we could! |
| 09:11:58 | Bagder | yes, for playing a dir it would be removed |
| 09:12:03 | Bagder | not for browsing it |
| 09:12:08 | hardeep | yeah, playing |
| 09:12:52 | ricII | Bagder some sort of pagefile could help sorting and friends... |
| 09:13:23 | Bagder | yes it could, but you won't catch me writing it ;-) |
| 09:14:27 | dwihno | *yawn* |
| 09:14:33 | dwihno | I need a vacation! |
| 09:14:43 | ricII | I intent to always write the playlist to disk, anonymous-playlist... |
| 09:14:50 | dwihno | All this christmas has left me tired and yawnish ;) |
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| 09:15:09 | hardeep | heya zagor |
| 09:15:23 | dwihno | Good morning, Z |
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| 09:15:30 | Zagor | morn |
| 09:16:11 | ricII | Bagder that would only leave the dircache open |
| 09:16:21 | hardeep | ricII: even when playing a playlist, you could copy it over to your anonymous playlist |
| 09:16:55 | ricII | hardeep: I already coded that.. (file copy) |
| 09:17:07 | Bagder | but that'll take time |
| 09:17:30 | Bagder | my 3500 song list is some >200KB big |
| 09:17:58 | hardeep | laugh, fear... do you have lyrics or something in comments? |
| 09:18:44 | Bagder | that makes an average file path at 63 bytes |
| 09:18:59 | hardeep | heh, right, nm... i'm dumb |
| 09:19:21 | hardeep | actually, even 200k, how long would it take to copy, a few seconds? |
| 09:19:45 | ricII | Bagder defining a kinda #include for the anonymous playlist would defer that task until user wants to save his playlist.. |
| 09:19:57 | Bagder | ah |
| 09:19:59 | Bagder | good idea |
| 09:20:32 | ricII | had a week to think about the concept :) |
| 09:21:06 | hardeep | hmmm, wouldn't it be needed as soon as a user wants to temporarily add an entry to the playlist? |
| 09:21:14 | hardeep | re: dynamic playlists |
| 09:21:22 | Bagder | yes it would |
| 09:21:41 | ricII | hardeep: no just make a new (temp) include file .. |
| 09:22:10 | hardeep | but how would you know where to insert the song in the playlist? |
| 09:22:19 | hardeep | and remember it if the user wants to save |
| 09:22:43 | ricII | appending to the end is easy.. |
| 09:22:56 | hardeep | sure, but how about inserting in the middle? |
| 09:23:25 | ricII | inserting (after song playing, like queuing) change next song to #include |
| 09:23:50 | hardeep | right, then you play the include, back to playlist, then a user inserts again |
| 09:23:51 | ricII | include newsong+nextsong |
| 09:24:09 | hardeep | so, say the playlist is 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 09:24:16 | hardeep | i insert a after 2 so |
| 09:24:21 | hardeep | 1 2 A 3 4 5 |
| 09:24:25 | hardeep | then I insert b after 4 |
| 09:24:31 | hardeep | so 1 2 A 3 4 B 5 |
| 09:24:59 | hardeep | this is where this differs from queueing... queueing forgets the song as soon as it's played |
| 09:25:29 | ricII | we would have 1 include_x 4 include_y 5 .. |
| 09:26:19 | hardeep | hmmmm, so you'll be saving a bunch of small files and then merging at the end? |
| 09:26:39 | hardeep | sounds kinda messy.... why not just copy to the anonymous and insert in place? |
| 09:26:44 | ricII | but some sort of algo could see that if it changed include_x to "2 A 3 4 B" . |
| 09:27:02 | ricII | hardeep in a 200k playlist? |
| 09:27:22 | hardeep | sure, why not |
| 09:27:58 | ricII | hardeep: well it could take some time... |
| 09:28:23 | hardeep | question is how much |
| 09:28:34 | hardeep | the copy could take time... i don't believe the insertions would |
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| 09:29:52 | bobTHC | good morning all! |
| 09:29:57 | ricII | but evertime a songs gets inserted a copy would be needed |
| 09:30:12 | hardeep | morning bobTHC |
| 09:31:33 | bobTHC | do u think H4x0r Language can be useable? |
| 09:31:35 | dwihno | Bonjour, bob! :) |
| 09:31:43 | bobTHC | bonjour |
| 09:31:49 | ricII | but restrincing it to one include file could make things simpler, only needing a rewrite when user choises a new insert point |
| 09:31:50 | hardeep | ricII: actually, yeah, you're right... ugly |
| 09:32:16 | ricII | just like the queue |
| 09:32:39 | hardeep | yeah, although queue is a very special case because it's only one insertion |
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| 09:34:21 | Zagor | i'm not too happy with always creating an on-disk playlist for dirplay. |
| 09:34:51 | hardeep | Zagor: why not? |
| 09:35:08 | Zagor | maybe i'm just superstitious, but I feel wary about writing files in normal playback use |
| 09:35:24 | hardeep | ricII: sorry misread, yeah, restricting would be like queueing... could work |
| 09:35:54 | ricII | Zagor queing is already doing that.. |
| 09:36:56 | Zagor | yes, but queueing is a special case. the user is doing more than simple playback. |
| 09:37:09 | Zagor | it's just a gut feeling. maybe it will pass :) |
| 09:37:17 | hardeep | hehe |
| 09:37:30 | Bagder | get some coffee and you'll feel better ;-) |
| 09:37:34 | ricII | wored about the fs code ? |
| 09:37:36 | hardeep | it adds a lot of flexibility as well as simplifying the playlist code |
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| 09:39:24 | Schnueff | moin |
| 09:39:40 | hardeep | Zagor: question about the fs code.... would it be hard to add a mkdir function? |
| 09:39:41 | ricII | maybe a proper diskcache (~40k) for the playlist |
| 09:40:38 | Zagor | hardeep: not really. i've been meaning to do it |
| 09:41:13 | hardeep | zagor: reason I ask is that my queue code assumes the .rockbox directory exists... thought it might make sense to create it if it doesn't |
| 09:41:19 | Zagor | ricII: no, i'm not worried about the fs code. it's just that writing will always be more risky than reading, especially on a device that can be dropped at any moment |
| 09:41:25 | Zagor | hardeep: right |
| 09:41:26 | ricII | Zagor is there a total entries in the struc? |
| 09:41:33 | Bagder | we should probably make .rockbox already on boot if missing |
| 09:41:35 | ^_Pro-289 | if you incorporate an playlist maker, is it possible to search the ID3 tags, if any, for proper track order for those files which aren't labeled with a track #? |
| 09:41:40 | Zagor | ricII: which struct? |
| 09:41:42 | Bagder | make => create |
| 09:42:04 | Bagder | ^_Pro-289: no, that will need a database created by a host computer |
| 09:42:15 | ^_Pro-289 | ahhh.. |
| 09:42:34 | ricII | Zagor DIR |
| 09:42:42 | Zagor | ^_Pro-289: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=613544 |
| 09:43:16 | Zagor | ricII: ah, no. a dir can be any size. it's just the browser that imposes a limit because it needs to sort |
| 09:43:42 | ricII | to 'page' the dircache (and keeping the scroller happy) |
| 09:44:23 | ricII | hmm sorting, forgot about that.. |
| 09:44:44 | Zagor | ricII: I have serious doubts about adding paging just to support >400 files |
| 09:45:09 | ricII | right |
| 09:47:01 | ^_Pro-289 | I've got my root directory aranged as ABCDE, FGHIJ, KLMNO, PQRST, UVWXYZ. That way I minimize my initial scrolls to some of my 'P' artists for example. |
| 09:48:12 | ricII | I happend to be there, trying to implement add dir to playlist.. (and reuse the code :( ) |
| 09:54:50 | ricII | Zagor: well, if the .rockbox is absent all 'could' be done in ram (meshingup the indices code) |
| 09:55:15 | Zagor | nah, we should add mkdir(). users will want it anyway. |
| 09:55:52 | Zagor | and I don't want two different dirplay algorithms. |
| 09:56:03 | Zagor | i'll grab my coffee now :-) |
| 09:56:12 | ricII | me too |
| 09:57:34 | bobTHC | for the search algoithm Turbo bm is very quick on string http://www-igm.univ-mlv.fr/~lecroq/string/node15.html |
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| 10:00:22 | Zagor | the challange of the id3 database is to make the database itself quickly searchable. multiple clever indices is probably a good way to start. |
| 10:01:42 | bobTHC | a lot of mp3 doesn't have id3, file name will be indexed too... |
| 10:02:09 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:14:12 | adi|home | going to be expensive indexing an entire drive wont it? |
| 10:14:20 | adi|home | or we talking on a directory to dir basis? |
| 10:14:34 | Bagder | we talk about a program on the host PC doing that |
| 10:14:45 | adi|home | nods |
| 10:16:11 | bobTHC | the database builder on the host pc will be used each time u add/remove tracks ... not very easy.. but |
| 10:16:47 | adi|home | got ya. |
| 10:18:00 | ricII | I would still like the use the archos as an autonomous device |
| 10:18:14 | ricII | It has a cpu :) |
| 10:18:30 | Bagder | yeah, but it'll take *ages* to index a full drive |
| 10:18:55 | bobTHC | 50h for building an entire 20gigs |
| 10:18:56 | bobTHC | ? |
| 10:19:19 | adi|home | well.. what we _could_ do... |
| 10:19:21 | Zagor | we/someone could make the indexer as a dedicated .ajz/.mod, to be started by ROLO |
| 10:19:27 | adi|home | index a dir at a users say so. |
| 10:19:37 | adi|home | then store that in a file for future reference |
| 10:20:00 | Zagor | adi|home: that will only fix the sorting issue, not searching. |
| 10:20:07 | ricII | and still have the host app. |
| 10:20:09 | adi|home | then compare the file date/timestamp to current time, and if older then x days, we can read hash |
| 10:20:13 | Zagor | people simply want to browse a database instead of a file system |
| 10:20:28 | * | adi|home nods |
| 10:20:42 | * | dwihno wants to browse a file system! |
| 10:20:56 | * | adi|home prefers a filesystem too |
| 10:21:46 | ricII | Zagor matter of keeping y'r db uptodate eighter using the host pc or rolo, or update dir comand.. |
| 10:22:05 | Zagor | i like both, actually. it's kind of nice being able to tell it "play everything I have by John Williams" no matter where it's located |
| 10:22:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:22:38 | adi|home | someone have a link to the 2 forums for rockbox? |
| 10:22:41 | adi|home | my bookmarks are dead |
| 10:22:49 | adi|home | yahoo and the mp3forum one |
| 10:22:50 | Bagder | we should link to them on the site |
| 10:22:55 | ricII | Zagor: is use a /artist/album/ structure anyway.. |
| 10:23:10 | Bagder | http://forums.funmp3players.com/forum/forum.asp?forum_id=8&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder |
| 10:24:07 | ricII | s/is/I/ |
| 10:24:09 | Zagor | ricII: yes, I have such a structure. but some artists tend to be featured on colletions etc that are not sorted under their dir. and sometimes I forget which genre i cataloged a specific artist in. those times, a database is nice. |
| 10:24:54 | ricII | would be a cool function ;) |
| 10:25:19 | ricII | like mp3tag editing... |
| 10:25:30 | adi|home | so we would build the db on the host machine and store it on the archos for use? |
| 10:26:52 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:27:25 | ricII | the rolo-app & update dir could gome later.. |
| 10:27:45 | ricII | s/gome/come/ (I sould learn to type) |
| 10:28:29 | Zagor | ricII: yeah, those are just for the autonomous-freaks in the crowd ;) |
| 10:29:03 | Bagder | btw, is the Rockbox recorder charging algo at the Archos fm level by now? (thinking about that features list item) |
| 10:29:40 | Zagor | Bagder: I believe so, yes |
| 10:30:01 | Zagor | feature to add: battery time indicator |
| 10:30:09 | Zagor | (that actually works!) |
| 10:30:11 | Bagder | right, I remove that 100% feature |
| 10:33:04 | adi|home | off the cuff quesiton... |
| 10:33:12 | adi|home | anyone running journeling on a linux system? |
| 10:33:30 | Bagder | on some, yes |
| 10:33:34 | Zagor | I do, on several machines |
| 10:34:06 | adi|home | okay.. did you clean install into a journeled system or did you have to convert from ext2? |
| 10:34:11 | adi|home | im on ext2 on this machine... |
| 10:34:15 | Zagor | I converted. |
| 10:34:23 | adi|home | and id like to go either ext3 or reiser |
| 10:34:29 | Zagor | converting to ext3 is a single command, takes <1s |
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| 10:34:31 | adi|home | am i facing data loss? |
| 10:34:33 | Bagder | going to ext3 is very easy |
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| 10:34:42 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 10:34:43 | Zagor | tune2fs -j /dev/hda1 |
| 10:34:44 | Bagder | you can even convert back |
| 10:35:10 | adi|home | ive read a bit about reiser, not so much about ext3... |
| 10:35:20 | adi|home | any particular adv in one over the other? |
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| 10:35:43 | Bagder | religious one basicly, afaik |
| 10:35:51 | Bagder | ones |
| 10:36:06 | Bagder | there's also JFS and XFS that do journalling ;-) |
| 10:36:14 | Zagor | ext3 is nice since you don't need to backup/restore the disk to start using it |
| 10:36:18 | adi|home | nods |
| 10:36:31 | adi|home | well.. ext3 seems painless enough.. ill try that... |
| 10:36:36 | adi|home | nods |
| 10:37:09 | adi|home | Zagor can i assume i just run tune2fs on each of my mounted drives? |
| 10:37:29 | Zagor | adi|home: umount them first, then run it on their partition |
| 10:37:58 | adi|home | hmmm... how do i manage to do that without dropping the system? |
| 10:37:59 | Bagder | dosfsck cores on me |
| 10:38:01 | Bagder | nice |
| 10:38:04 | adi|home | ie: /home |
| 10:38:13 | adi|home | /usr |
| 10:38:14 | Zagor | or maybe you can even do it on a mounted fs. can't remember. |
| 10:38:17 | adi|home | /usr/local |
| 10:38:30 | adi|home | off to man i go |
| 10:39:02 | adi|home | Never use tune2fs to change parameters of a read/write |
| 10:39:02 | adi|home | mounted filesystem! Use this utility at your own risk. |
| 10:39:02 | adi|home | You're modifying a filesystem! |
| 10:39:35 | Bagder | YIKES |
| 10:39:44 | * | Bagder mumbles curses on his archos |
| 10:40:04 | Zagor | "The tune2fs program can add a journal to an existing ext2 file system without altering the data already on the partition. If the file system is already mounted while it is being transitioned, the journal will be visible as the file .journal in the root directory of the file system." http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-filesystem-ext3-convert.html |
| 10:40:57 | Bagder | Checksum in long filename part wrong (d8 vs. expected 0c). |
| 10:41:01 | Bagder | Not auto-correcting this. |
| 10:41:04 | Bagder | Segmentation fault |
| 10:41:20 | Zagor | "You can do this on a mounted or an unmounted filesystem." −− http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/filesystems.htm |
| 10:41:36 | Zagor | Bagder: ouch. what did you do? |
| 10:41:47 | Bagder | I copied files |
| 10:41:55 | Bagder | and noticed I got weird letters in some file names |
| 10:42:02 | Bagder | I was wrong |
| 10:42:08 | Bagder | they're WEEEEEIIIIIIRRRRDDD |
| 10:42:28 | langhaarrocker | have the peak meter settings been removed from the RTC? |
| 10:43:03 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: yes, moved to disk |
| 10:44:01 | langhaarrocker | fine |
| 10:46:03 | Zagor | "The Player however. MAY work if you could squeeze an entire cover into one of its character cells." |
| 10:46:19 | Zagor | who ARE these people??? |
| 10:47:57 | Bagder | fat32 is that type b ? |
| 10:48:06 | Bagder | "Win95 FAT32" |
| 10:48:24 | Zagor | b or c |
| 10:48:46 | Bagder | ah, right, now I noticed it was c before |
| 10:53:51 | Bagder | mkfs -t vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 10:53:55 | Bagder | mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system |
| 10:54:18 | Zagor | how large is it? |
| 10:54:25 | Bagder | 20GB |
| 10:55:46 | adi|home | The Player however. MAY work if you could squeeze an |
| 10:55:46 | adi|home | entire cover into one of its character cells. If you really |
| 10:55:46 | adi|home | wanted you could even display multiple album covers side by |
| 10:55:46 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK adi|home |
| 10:55:46 | adi|home | side on the Player, and pick an album of your choice to listen |
| 10:55:46 | adi|home | to by selecting the respective cover |
| 10:55:55 | adi|home | god.. i love these ppl |
| 10:57:23 | Zagor | Bagder: odd. try mkdosfs -F 32 instead of mkfs.vat |
| 10:57:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 10:57:44 | * | adi|home is away: sleep |
| 10:58:09 | Bagder | worked |
| 10:58:15 | Bagder | weird programs |
| 10:58:21 | Zagor | yeah |
| 10:59:43 | Zagor | who's a lynx guru? how can I make it *not* column-justify text? I want simple old-fashion left-justification |
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| 11:00:38 | Bagder | hey, they worked hard for that feature! ;-) |
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| 11:02:07 | Schnueff | hm |
| 11:02:12 | Schnueff | #JUSTIFY:TRUE |
| 11:02:24 | Schnueff | (is in my /etc/lynx.cfg) |
| 11:03:21 | Zagor | ah, lookie |
| 11:04:11 | Bagder | player code commits detected |
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| 11:07:13 | dwihno | Any ideas about the scroll bugs? |
| 11:09:14 | Zagor | dwihno: they happen too rarely to give me a clue |
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| 11:13:52 | langhaarrocker | Never had any scroll bugs. Are they described in some bug tracker? |
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| 11:15:27 | dwihno | Zagor: they happen really often for me :-/ |
| 11:16:03 | dwihno | How many kilos is 4 ounces? |
| 11:16:35 | #>> | "convert 4 ounces" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 11:16:57 | #>> | "has magic ninja powers" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 11:18:12 | langhaarrocker | you should port it to rockbox then. |
| 11:18:20 | dwihno | :-) |
| 11:18:26 | dwihno | magic ninja powah :) |
| 11:19:34 | Bagder | lunch! |
| 11:21:25 | dwihno | Already? |
| 11:22:24 | langhaarrocker | Those swedish people are somehow early. |
| 11:23:13 | dwihno | Yeah, those damn swedes ;) |
| 11:24:38 | dwihno | Are Germany members of the EU? |
| 11:25:23 | langhaarrocker | yes |
| 11:25:26 | Schnueff | heh |
| 11:26:07 | langhaarrocker | Even those in east germany... :) |
| 11:26:31 | dwihno | :-) |
| 11:26:58 | dwihno | So ordering stuff from Germany should not cause additional taxes if I decide to order something? |
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| 12:02:14 | dwihno | langhaarrocker: respond, you evil dude! :) |
| 12:02:56 | langhaarrocker | I have no idea. Never tried shipping anything across borders. |
| 12:03:26 | dwihno | ah, mkay... :-) |
| 12:06:47 | langhaarrocker | well - only from holland but there I paid no taxes ... :) |
| 12:10:13 | Hes | Intra-EU => no taxes |
| 12:12:06 | Hes | I regularly ship costly stuff around europe at work, and in the DHL shipping forms I check the box "Intra EC (in free circulation)" and no need to declare values |
| 12:15:31 | | Join kargatron [0] (~Vincent@ppp-isdn-172.ath.forthnet.gr) |
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| 12:34:00 | dwihno | Hes: nice, very nice indeed. |
| 12:35:10 | langhaarrocker | Hes: do you ship costly stuff from holland? :) |
| 12:36:54 | dwihno | Holland is cool. Lots of duitsers |
| 12:37:07 | Hes | Yes, one (last and big) shipment should arrive on sunday 8-) |
| 12:38:05 | dwihno | What are you shipping? |
| 12:38:22 | langhaarrocker | you mustn't ask that when it's about holland :) |
| 12:39:05 | Hes | Computers and network equipment. |
| 12:39:23 | langhaarrocker | That's boring. You can't smoke that. |
| 12:40:20 | Hes | Yes you can, but I certainly don't like the smell of melted computer smoke in the machine room. Makes you nervous. |
| 12:42:35 | | Join pyvasene [0] (~pyvasene@62.4.7.201) |
| 12:42:55 | langhaarrocker | Shooting the caps of elkos used to be fun. But you can't blow off the caps of modern elkos any more. :( |
| 12:43:12 | dwihno | elkos? |
| 12:43:28 | langhaarrocker | electrolythic condensators |
| 12:43:42 | dwihno | sounds edible :) |
| 12:44:55 | langhaarrocker | sorry: electrolythic capacitor should be the right term. |
| 12:46:59 | langhaarrocker | When you overload them heavily they blow off like a sylvester cracker |
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| 13:05:53 | | Join elinenbe3 [0] (trilluser@user-0cev121.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 13:06:05 | elinenbe3 | morining. |
| 13:06:09 | Bagder | hi |
| 13:06:46 | elinenbe3 | what exactly are the benefits of Tocklatin? |
| 13:06:51 | | Nick elinenbe3 is now known as elinenbe (trilluser@user-0cev121.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 13:07:20 | Zagor | elinenbe: national characters on the players |
| 13:07:30 | dwihno | Sounds pretty funky :) |
| 13:07:41 | Zagor | it is very funky |
| 13:08:03 | elinenbe | Zagor: is there any limit to the number of characters now? |
| 13:08:09 | Bagder | automatic definition of the few definable letters |
| 13:08:10 | dwihno | I admire Kjell&Co for working on this. |
| 13:08:33 | Zagor | elinenbe: the rocklatin code handles it automatically to show as many as possible |
| 13:09:46 | dwihno | Rock, latin style :) |
| 13:10:38 | dwihno | I guess the stock firmware doesn't do anything similar? |
| 13:10:52 | | Nick quel|out is now known as zak|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 13:10:54 | Bagder | you guessed right ;-) |
| 13:10:59 | | Nick zak|out is now known as quel|out (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 13:11:02 | quel|out | opss |
| 13:11:04 | quel|out | :) |
| 13:18:37 | dwihno | Bagder: You can call me Mr. Guess-dude ;-D |
| 13:20:01 | Bagder | "the info display always says files are 128 even if they are higher" (a guy about the Archos firmware on FM20) |
| 13:20:14 | Bagder | good old Archos ;-) |
| 13:20:23 | Zagor | yeah I saw. odd bug to have in released software... |
| 13:21:21 | dwihno | 128? Bitrate? |
| 13:21:24 | Bagder | yes |
| 13:21:29 | dwihno | Whoa. Massive. |
| 13:21:45 | elinenbe | Massive Attack! |
| 13:21:51 | dwihno | Where on the westcoast is Linus btw? |
| 13:21:59 | Bagder | west |
| 13:22:03 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 13:22:13 | elinenbe | Linus is in USA? |
| 13:22:16 | * | dwihno sends Bagder to Kladdes kebab |
| 13:22:16 | Bagder | he's in Alingsås |
| 13:22:27 | Bagder | elinenbe: no, swedish west coast |
| 13:22:28 | elinenbe | blah. |
| 13:22:36 | dwihno | Alingsås? For the kebab? |
| 13:22:52 | Zagor | the things a man does for his kebab... |
| 13:22:52 | kargatron | elinenbe, are you american? :) |
| 13:22:53 | Bagder | dwihno: his inlaws lives there |
| 13:23:18 | kargatron | reading 'west coast' yesterday, i couldn't help but immediately make the same assumption, until i realized many places have west coasts. :) |
| 13:24:16 | dwihno | I made a quick trip to the west coast last weekend. Was pretty cool. No snow though :-( |
| 13:25:05 | Zagor | the swedish "west coast" will be sued for trademark infringement soon ;) |
| 13:25:42 | Bagder | the argument will be "we had a west coast first" |
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| 13:26:22 | elinenbe | anyone been skiing this winter yet? |
| 13:26:23 | Zagor | lol |
| 13:26:34 | Bagder | not yet |
| 13:27:40 | dwihno | Soon! :D |
| 13:30:53 | Bagder | bbl |
| 13:30:55 | | Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") |
| 13:31:54 | dwihno | I tested the sleep timer last night btw, it worked like a charm :-) |
| 13:32:04 | | Nick Naked is now known as Hadaka (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) |
| 13:33:17 | * | langhaarrocker prefers Hadaka clothed |
| 13:33:46 | Hadaka | no such luck I'm afraid |
| 13:33:59 | Hadaka | hadaka is japanese and means... you guessed it... naked |
| 13:34:44 | langhaarrocker | But it's winter here! You'll catch the flue! |
| 13:34:46 | dwihno | The feature list contains an error. |
| 13:34:58 | Zagor | dwihno: what? |
| 13:35:02 | Hadaka | now who'd go outside in this weather? ;) |
| 13:35:03 | dwihno | There's no snake game (*booohooo*), only Wormlet |
| 13:35:08 | Hadaka | anyway, I'm off to work |
| 13:35:23 | Zagor | hehe |
| 13:35:35 | Zagor | snake-alike ;) |
| 13:36:20 | langhaarrocker | There's been so much fuzz about this name that I really thought of renaming wormlet. |
| 13:36:38 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: nah, don't bother. wormlet is a good name. |
| 13:37:36 | * | dwihno wants Snake back! |
| 13:37:41 | dwihno | :-( |
| 13:39:12 | Zagor | dwihno: just fix the plugin code, and we'll be all set |
| 13:39:42 | dwihno | It was in, and then you removed it! Just to provoke us Snake fans! :) |
| 13:39:44 | | Quit langhaarrocker (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 13:40:12 | Zagor | it's called rehabilitation |
| 13:40:15 | elinenbe | Zagor: just fix the plugin code? has any plugin code been written? |
| 13:40:22 | Zagor | elinenbe: no :-) |
| 13:40:30 | dwihno | Windows XP will not format > 30 gb, right? |
| 13:40:32 | elinenbe | that is quite a big fix then :) |
| 13:40:55 | Zagor | dwihno: that's what I've heard. you need a non-ms program to do it. |
| 13:41:04 | Zagor | elinenbe: quite... :-) |
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| 14:04:50 | quel|out | this is incredible!! |
| 14:04:56 | quel|out | it's snowing in Granada!! |
| 14:05:37 | quel|out | 19years later.. we have snow again |
| 14:05:39 | quel|out | :) |
| 14:06:15 | dwihno | quel: we have snow, what's the big deal? ;) |
| 14:06:45 | Zagor | quel|out: it was 19 years since you had snow??? poor you |
| 14:07:38 | dwihno | quel|out: How do you do when you snowboard then? :-) |
| 14:07:45 | quel|out | zagor not really |
| 14:07:52 | quel|out | in Granada city |
| 14:08:07 | quel|out | we have snow every year in Sierra nevada |
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| 14:08:20 | quel|out | just 30 km from Granada city |
| 14:08:45 | quel|out | but 7 days before, we had here nearly 17ºC |
| 14:09:01 | quel|out | so... try to understand me.. this is not sweden :) |
| 14:09:41 | quel|out | we normally have the same weather that you had in Nerja, more or less.... |
| 14:09:51 | dwihno | :-) |
| 14:09:55 | dwihno | Ford Granada! |
| 14:10:17 | quel|out | :) |
| 14:10:24 | dwihno | We had a Ford Granada. |
| 14:10:31 | dwihno | It had a golden metallic shine |
| 14:10:44 | dwihno | Then it broke, and we sold it to some poor bastard ;) |
| 14:17:16 | ken0_ | HEH |
| 14:17:18 | ken0_ | you guys |
| 14:17:22 | ken0_ | just have to see something |
| 14:17:28 | quel|out | well, i'm going home for lunch |
| 14:17:34 | ken0_ | my live webcam |
| 14:17:39 | ken0_ | www.kenoweb.tk |
| 14:17:43 | ken0_ | link at bottom |
| 14:17:50 | quel|out | ok |
| 14:18:15 | quel|out | jajajajja |
| 14:18:18 | quel|out | inteligent cat |
| 14:18:20 | quel|out | :) |
| 14:18:27 | kargatron | lol |
| 14:18:29 | ken0_ | He knows his stuff :) |
| 14:18:30 | kargatron | that's great |
| 14:18:52 | quel|out | cu! |
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| 14:47:53 | elinenbe | bye |
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| 15:32:24 | dwihno | Z Z Z Z! |
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| 16:00:53 | matsl | Bagder: hi |
| 16:00:57 | Bagder | hej |
| 16:03:02 | * | dwihno misses Linus :-/ There's nobody else to talk Kebab with :-( |
| 16:04:22 | Bagder | poor you ;-) |
| 16:05:36 | webmind | heh |
| 16:10:16 | dwihno | And the scroll is still bugging *boohoo* |
| 16:17:03 | Bagder | is there a bug report on that? |
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| 16:21:30 | quelsaruk | hi |
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| 16:23:50 | | Join SPAdict [0] (~asdfklasd@pool-151-205-168-234.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:23:53 | SPAdict | hey guys |
| 16:24:05 | quelsaruk | yes? |
| 16:24:27 | SPAdict | do you guys know where the batteries are located in the fm recorder and how I can replace them? |
| 16:24:52 | dwihno | It's some kind of special batteries. |
| 16:25:10 | quelsaruk | they are inside... and i think its a ion-Li batterie |
| 16:25:11 | Bagder | they're not replacable |
| 16:25:32 | SPAdict | hmmm... |
| 16:25:54 | Zagor_ | it's a LiIon battery. it's replacable, but you can't buy a replacement. |
| 16:25:54 | | Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 16:26:13 | Zagor | it's a custom made battery. you can't get them anywhere. |
| 16:26:18 | Bagder | you can buy a new FM and get it from that ;-) |
| 16:26:29 | Zagor | and archos won't sell you a new one either (people have asked) |
| 16:26:29 | SPAdict | is it under that cover at the top that can be popped off? |
| 16:26:46 | Zagor | SPAdict: it's not designed to be replaced |
| 16:26:51 | SPAdict | ok |
| 16:27:12 | SPAdict | what happened is that i was charging the player while listening to music on it |
| 16:27:23 | SPAdict | after half an hour, i noticed that it was very hot |
| 16:27:27 | SPAdict | the ac adapter too |
| 16:27:41 | dwihno | Zagor: Darn! Archos are so evil! :( |
| 16:27:51 | SPAdict | after using it until the batteries drained, i tried charging it |
| 16:27:57 | Zagor | SPAdict: the adapter archos US ships isn't very nice |
| 16:27:59 | SPAdict | it goes to the charging screen |
| 16:28:11 | SPAdict | and after a few seconds it says it's charged |
| 16:28:45 | quelsaruk | SPAdict: maybe archos will change your fm recorder |
| 16:29:07 | SPAdict | i emailed tech support today |
| 16:29:17 | dwihno | SPAdict: did you get an answer? |
| 16:29:18 | SPAdict | but the problem is that i have all my music on the player |
| 16:30:16 | SPAdict | i just emailed them, so no |
| 16:30:49 | Bagder | having music on the archos only is not a very lasting way of doing things |
| 16:31:01 | SPAdict | with every passing day i realize what a bad purchase archos is |
| 16:31:15 | kargatron | we all love ours! :) but sympathies for bad luck... |
| 16:31:25 | SPAdict | the day i bought it, it froze that same evening! |
| 16:31:26 | Bagder | I've had a lot of fun with mine |
| 16:31:43 | Bagder | but then I can use Rockbox ;-) |
| 16:32:10 | SPAdict | from what i read online, i have yet to experience some of the nastier problems |
| 16:32:55 | SPAdict | oh well |
| 16:33:37 | quelsaruk | SPAdict: sorry to hear that, i can only say that i have my recorder for 1 1/2 yeras, and it works fine.. and i love rockbox :) |
| 16:34:02 | SPAdict | i realized that i should have skipped on the FM part and just got the simple recorder |
| 16:34:58 | SPAdict | well, thanks for the help. enjoy your players! |
| 16:35:03 | SPAdict | bye |
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| 16:44:42 | matsl | Zagor: I confess there is more to USB than I know! USB-Mode! In USB-mode the battery indicator is visible. |
| 16:45:15 | Zagor | matsl: yeah, that's what I though |
| 16:45:20 | Zagor | thought |
| 16:46:26 | matsl | Zagor: The usb-screen I thought you meant was the onme you get when connecting the cable and then turning the power on.... |
| 16:46:37 | matsl | but that one is controlled by hardware, isn't it? |
| 16:47:08 | Zagor | matsl: not hardware, but the archos firmware |
| 16:47:16 | | Join edx [0] (~edx@pD9EAADCB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:47:23 | Zagor | almost the same :-) |
| 16:47:36 | matsl | jupp |
| 16:47:53 | matsl | if it can't be programmed, it's hardware! |
| 16:48:06 | Zagor | hehe. like MS Windows |
| 16:49:56 | dwihno | I think the "news" should cover Rocklatin as well. |
| 16:50:04 | Zagor | agreed |
| 16:50:18 | dwihno | Awesome work :-) |
| 16:50:55 | Zagor | indeed |
| 16:51:22 | | Nick edx is now known as edx`afk (~edx@pD9EAADCB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
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| 17:32:16 | | Join CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] [0] (~awdyf@200.202.226.234) |
| 17:32:28 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | hi peoples |
| 17:32:34 | Bagder | hey |
| 17:32:54 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | h0h0 |
| 17:32:59 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | laeful |
| 17:33:01 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | lawful |
| 17:33:30 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | i`m dont know speak in english very well |
| 17:33:31 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | haha |
| 17:33:38 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | i`m brazilian |
| 17:34:51 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] |
| 17:34:51 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | ,00:,00) |
| 17:34:51 | quelsaruk | eu falo português, mais o menos |
| 17:34:56 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | aaa |
| 17:34:59 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | q massa!! |
| 17:35:07 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | pvt |
| 17:36:43 | quelsaruk | pvt? |
| 17:36:52 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | ham |
| 17:41:26 | MrSnazz | mmm, ham |
| 17:42:30 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | hehe |
| 17:44:46 | Zagor | i'm off. see you |
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| 18:11:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] |
| 18:11:38 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | »¡«Scøøp MP3»!« ,00 [Ouvindo:,00 Useless ID - Another bad taste.mp3 ] |
| 18:12:26 | MrSnazz | ugh |
| 18:13:30 | MrSnazz | cap: which track is after that one? |
| 18:13:58 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | I?? |
| 18:14:17 | MrSnazz | Yes |
| 18:14:20 | quelsaruk | que cancion va depois ? |
| 18:14:30 | quelsaruk | MrSnazz: he doesnt speak english |
| 18:14:37 | quelsaruk | just portuguesse |
| 18:14:38 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 18:14:43 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | hehe |
| 18:14:44 | MrSnazz | quelsaruk: ahh, thanks :) |
| 18:14:50 | quelsaruk | and i dont' speak portuguesse quite well |
| 18:14:56 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 18:15:09 | MrSnazz | que trilha é seguinte? |
| 18:15:16 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | ahnn |
| 18:15:17 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | hehe |
| 18:15:43 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | I speak English more or less |
| 18:16:02 | MrSnazz | eu amo essa cancao, ele lembro-me de minha mae da cabra |
| 18:16:19 | quelsaruk | i must reboot |
| 18:16:21 | quelsaruk | cu! |
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| 18:17:21 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] |
| 18:17:21 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | ,00=,00/ |
| 18:17:23 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | I am with a translating here |
| 18:17:25 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | hehe |
| 18:17:27 | MrSnazz | hehe |
| 18:18:05 | MrSnazz | voce tem o queijo? |
| 18:18:14 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | que? |
| 18:18:15 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | queijo? |
| 18:18:16 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | auhiaha |
| 18:18:21 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | aki tem queijo sim |
| 18:18:22 | MrSnazz | :) |
| 18:18:27 | ricII | webmind ? |
| 18:19:28 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | I have q go although |
| 18:19:31 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | bye |
| 18:19:57 | MrSnazz | bye |
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| 18:20:24 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 18:20:24 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | »¡«Scøøp MP3»!« ,00 [Ouvindo:,00 Jason - Meu talento de afastar as pessoas.mp3 ] |
| 18:21:00 | CaPeTaO_HC[Gtr] | fuis |
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| 18:21:14 | | Join quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 18:21:20 | quelsaruk | hi again |
| 18:22:25 | hardeep | hi quelsaruk |
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| 18:22:38 | quelsaruk | hi hardeep :) |
| 18:27:53 | quelsaruk | hardeep: do you know if hardeep comes here? |
| 18:27:56 | quelsaruk | sorry |
| 18:27:59 | quelsaruk | no hardeep |
| 18:28:00 | quelsaruk | uwe |
| 18:28:02 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 18:28:05 | quelsaruk | if uwe comes here |
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| 18:30:45 | hardeep | quelsaruk: yeah, he does... i think he uses the nick "thebreaker" |
| 18:31:14 | quelsaruk | thx hardeep :) |
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| 18:39:12 | ricII | hardeep: may I assume that the unified playlist idea is kinda approved ? |
| 18:39:40 | hardeep | it sounded like zagor gave his approval,,, |
| 18:40:12 | ricII | it would surly simplify the code... |
| 18:40:27 | hardeep | definitely |
| 18:41:16 | hardeep | ricII: btw, i was thinking more on your include idea and I think you're right... multiple includes may be the best approach |
| 18:41:53 | ricII | depends on the 'costs' of a copy.. |
| 18:42:07 | Ctcp | Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 42 minutes and 30 seconds at the last flood |
| 18:42:07 | * | matsl is away: I'm busy |
| 18:42:24 | hardeep | yeah |
| 18:42:47 | hardeep | oh, one thing that needs to be considered is resume... |
| 18:46:33 | ricII | how is that handled in suffle mode ? |
| 18:47:12 | hardeep | we remember the random seed that was used for shuffling so, when we resume, it's the same shuffle |
| 18:47:22 | ricII | aha |
| 18:47:59 | ricII | but that wouldn't work with a dynamic growing playlist |
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| 18:49:16 | hardeep | i think it could... |
| 18:49:45 | hardeep | if the user says insert, then you insert immediately after the current song playing |
| 18:50:21 | hardeep | with your include files... this should work irrespective of shuffle mode |
| 18:50:33 | | Part Asskick |
| 18:50:36 | hardeep | the funkier case is if a user switches between shuffle modes |
| 18:54:14 | ricII | but how about append in shuffle mode this would mean move the remainder to the include and shuffle with the current seed. |
| 18:57:45 | hardeep | i don't quite follow.... with append you want to play the track after the playlist is done right? |
| 18:58:06 | hardeep | in that case, the shuffle mode wouldn't matter |
| 18:58:37 | ricII | yes, unless we are in shuffle mode, the remain part would would be reshuffled |
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| 19:00:02 | ricII | like also (+) play these songs in random order. |
| 19:00:36 | hardeep | heh, right, that case is more difficult |
| 19:02:09 | ricII | we will need to sepperate whats aready played & append the new stuff, then reshuffle with the same seed. |
| 19:02:32 | hardeep | that wouldn't make it through resume |
| 19:03:02 | ricII | why, all 'new' stuff is moved to a include. |
| 19:03:22 | hardeep | ah right, yeah, it could work |
| 19:03:23 | quelsaruk | i'm going home |
| 19:03:35 | quelsaruk | till monday! |
| 19:04:09 | hardeep | bye quelsaruk |
| 19:04:42 | ricII | defeating our non-copy attempts.. |
| 19:05:04 | hardeep | well, it's a pretty extreme case... dunno how often you would be doing that |
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| 19:06:19 | ricII | some preformace info would be nice. |
| 19:06:33 | ricII | on filecopy.. |
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| 22:36:13 | EGM92 | Hey I'm having a problem with the Jb 6000 and the new daily build, when I play a song, it sometimes freezes, well the sonud stops but the timer keeps going when ti goes to change song, there is no sound until i restart the JB |
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| 22:41:00 | hardeep | EGM92: did it only start happening with the new daily build? |
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| 23:06:27 | EGM92 | yes |
| 23:06:43 | EGM92 | I tried the v1.4 and I don't get that problem |
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| 23:07:54 | void_ | rockbox rules |
| 23:07:57 | void_ | just like to say |
| 23:08:28 | hardeep | void_: agreed. :) |
| 23:08:38 | void_ | I just got my archos today |
| 23:08:52 | hardeep | EGM92: hmmm, there have been many changes since 1.4. Post a bug. |
| 23:08:52 | void_ | I traded in my classic chd500 (what a piece of junk) |
| 23:09:19 | hardeep | EGM92: include all information about your player and also provide a file that reproduces the bug |
| 23:10:08 | EGM92 | ok |
| 23:10:14 | EGM92 | how do i do that? |
| 23:10:48 | hardeep | EGM92: from the rockbox main page->bug reports |
| 23:11:22 | hardeep | EGM92: at the bottom there are instructions on posting new bugs... please provide all the information it lists |
| 23:11:49 | hardeep | EGM92: it's important that you include the file that reproduces the problem... makes it a lot easier to debug |
| 23:12:16 | EGM92 | None 5 nobody mp3 play stops mid-song 2002-10-17 16:52 |
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| 23:12:23 | EGM92 | how do i know if that isn't my problem>? |
| 23:13:14 | hardeep | read the full description and comments |
| 23:13:36 | hardeep | if it does sound sound like your bug, post a comment |
| 23:13:47 | hardeep | providing your information |
| 23:14:51 | EGM92 | YEP ITS MY PROBLEM too |
| 23:15:25 | hardeep | that bug report is for the 1.4 release... you said your problem only happens in the daily build |
| 23:15:48 | EGM92 | oh ok so since its a new build i have to make a new post? |
| 23:16:28 | hardeep | only if it's a different bug... you claimed this bug doesn't happen in 1.4 which implies it's not the same as that bug report |
| 23:17:37 | EGM92 | k |
| 23:17:47 | EGM92 | what was yesterdays build? |
| 23:18:19 | hardeep | hmmmm? |
| 23:20:22 | EGM92 | Hey I got a question what to Stack usagemean? |
| 23:21:56 | ricII | I also noticed freezes with playback on the recorder (can't reproduce) |
| 23:22:03 | * | matsl is back (gone 04:39:56) |
| 23:23:20 | hardeep | ricII: are you using the peakmeter or have multiple lines scrolling in the wps? |
| 23:23:37 | ricII | peakmeter.. |
| 23:23:41 | hardeep | ricII: it could be a performance issue with those features and high bitrate mp3s |
| 23:24:06 | ricII | could well be, al mp3 are vbr min 192kb |
| 23:24:42 | hardeep | ricII: although, I can't say i've ever seen any problems on AJBR6 with high peakmeter mode and avg 256kb vbr mp3s |
| 23:25:29 | ricII | pause is also delayed sometimes.. |
| 23:29:35 | hardeep | best would be if you could find a reproduceable case |
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| 23:44:04 | ricII | howabout support for fonts < 8px ? |
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| 23:58:21 | ricII | hmm, a lot of changes in lcd(-recorder).c |
| 23:58:51 | LinusN | EGM92: Stack Usage is how much stack space each thread uses |
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