| 00:01:38 | ricII | changelog from the daily's isn't all.. |
| 00:02:07 | LinusN | ricII: "isn't all"? |
| 00:03:11 | ricII | I used to only check the changelog .. |
| 00:03:31 | LinusN | and? |
| 00:04:02 | ricII | more has changed.. |
| 00:04:10 | LinusN | like what? |
| 00:04:21 | ricII | lcd-recorder.c |
| 00:05:10 | LinusN | since when? |
| 00:06:06 | ricII | sorry player.. |
| 00:06:37 | LinusN | since when? |
| 00:07:17 | ricII | hmm 2003-02-10? |
| 00:07:55 | LinusN | today's daily build reflects yesterdays changes |
| 00:08:13 | ricII | yes it's me... |
| 00:08:13 | steven | how many lines of code is the rockbox firmware |
| 00:08:14 | LinusN | the changes today will be included in tomorrows daily build |
| 00:08:49 | ricII | I souldn't be working in my cvs copy.... |
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| 00:10:32 | LinusN | ricII: that's exactly where you should be working, imho |
| 00:11:59 | ricII | maybe I sould learn to use cvs... |
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| 00:12:29 | Erik | is anyone here |
| 00:12:46 | hardeep | nope |
| 00:12:50 | ricII | no, where all out.. |
| 00:12:54 | hardeep | er, wait |
| 00:13:00 | Erik | well i was here before and no one was here :P |
| 00:13:18 | Erik | im wondering how to make playlists on my recorder 20 with rockbox 1.4 |
| 00:13:40 | ricII | Erik you can't (yet) |
| 00:14:00 | Erik | can you with the base OS that comes with the unit? |
| 00:14:37 | hardeep | Erik: yes, the archos firmware supports playlist creation |
| 00:14:54 | hardeep | Erik: you can boot into the archos firmware from rockbox1.4 using the ROLO feature |
| 00:14:58 | Erik | wanna try and fill me in on how? I cant figure it out |
| 00:14:59 | ricII | not that I known.. (but the orignal frimware was there 1 day.. rockbox was the reason I got one) |
| 00:15:38 | Erik | switching would be nice, rockbox rocks (no pun intended :) ), but i need to make playlists first |
| 00:15:42 | hardeep | Erik: all I know is that you can, but no idea how... it's been a long time since i've used it |
| 00:15:46 | Erik | okay |
| 00:15:50 | Erik | how do i set up a dualboot? |
| 00:16:02 | Erik | i read inst |
| 00:16:03 | Erik | in faq |
| 00:16:06 | Erik | but couldnt figure it out |
| 00:16:12 | steven | how many lines |
| 00:16:15 | steven | is rockbox firmware |
| 00:16:17 | steven | of coding |
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| 00:16:51 | hardeep | Erik: copy the archos firmware to your recorder with the name archos.ajz |
| 00:16:57 | hardeep | and then just " |
| 00:17:03 | hardeep | "play" it from rockbox |
| 00:17:26 | hardeep | the name can be something else if you prefer |
| 00:17:31 | hardeep | but it has to have the .ajz extension |
| 00:17:41 | Erik | where do i get the firmware? when i look in F: (the drive) it just has rockbox |
| 00:17:51 | hardeep | Erik: from the archos website |
| 00:17:58 | hardeep | i believe version 1.27d is the latest |
| 00:18:01 | ricII | version 1.27 is 1.28 |
| 00:18:35 | Erik | ahh |
| 00:18:36 | Erik | okay |
| 00:19:22 | Erik | so |
| 00:19:27 | Erik | any other support websites |
| 00:19:33 | Erik | that i can look up into making playlists |
| 00:19:53 | hardeep | why not make playlists from your computer and copy them to the jukebox? |
| 00:20:16 | Erik | well, how can i do that? |
| 00:20:26 | ricII | cause he is a autonomous freak like me? |
| 00:20:31 | hardeep | as for archos jb support sites: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/ |
| 00:20:37 | hardeep | and www.funmp3players.com |
| 00:21:17 | LinusN | steven: about 58000 lines of C code |
| 00:21:45 | Erik | ok |
| 00:21:48 | hardeep | Erik: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#58 for making playlists on your pc |
| 00:22:35 | Jet8810 | wow... |
| 00:22:38 | ClosetPacifist | Erik: You can goto the menu, playlists, new playlist, then press and hold the play button to add the selected file to the playlist- and the other options in the playlist let you modify or save it in the current directory, I belive. |
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| 00:22:45 | Jet8810 | as soon as I get my archos I can hook it up to my PDA and transfer files :) |
| 00:23:02 | Erik | thats the thing.. theres no 'new playlist' option |
| 00:23:24 | Erik | Start, Save, Edit, Clear |
| 00:23:32 | ClosetPacifist | ack- start is the one |
| 00:23:47 | Erik | it takes me back to the main menu |
| 00:24:02 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 00:24:10 | Jet8810 | any way to make it so ALL OF THE TIME if you hold play it queues a file? |
| 00:24:18 | ClosetPacifist | ya, then you can start adding items to the list- if you go back to the playlist menu after that, you can view them with edit |
| 00:24:42 | Erik | so how do i add em? Just go and play the song? |
| 00:24:50 | hardeep | Jet8810: what happens now? |
| 00:25:06 | ricII | LinusN: what are the gpio pins for on the isd300 ? can they be used to make a serial usb device? (debuging) |
| 00:25:06 | Jet8810 | oh I thought you had to go into menu to say new playlist |
| 00:25:08 | ClosetPacifist | hold down the play button instead of pressing it once, though |
| 00:25:11 | Jet8810 | (remember I dont have an archos yet) |
| 00:25:16 | Erik | ahhh |
| 00:25:20 | LinusN | ricII: no |
| 00:25:25 | Jet8810 | and hardeep, now you can edit playlists too? |
| 00:25:29 | Jet8810 | and save them? |
| 00:25:42 | hardeep | Jet8810: no, playlist editing is not available yet on rockbox |
| 00:25:47 | LinusN | ricII: no ISD300 pins are connected to the ISD300 for what I know |
| 00:25:48 | hardeep | Jet8810: just queueing.... |
| 00:25:55 | LinusN | sorry, to the CPU |
| 00:25:56 | Erik | thats the key. THANK YOU ClosetPacifist!! |
| 00:26:00 | Jet8810 | and still no fat editing right? |
| 00:26:03 | Erik | and i can save em and use em in RockBox right? |
| 00:26:11 | ClosetPacifist | yup |
| 00:26:14 | Erik | cool cool |
| 00:26:19 | Erik | thanks guys! |
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| 00:28:05 | ricII | but if they where? |
| 00:28:40 | LinusN | ricII: then i don't know, i haven't studied the data sheets |
| 00:28:47 | LinusN | but i doubt that it would be possible |
| 00:29:19 | ricII | ok, I will have to buy a serial<=>usb converter to debug.. |
| 00:29:21 | Jet8810 | is the C:\balahal thing fixed though? The controversial thing discussed in the mailing list?\ |
| 00:29:46 | ricII | Jet8810 rockbox eat's the drive letters |
| 00:30:00 | LinusN | ricII: if you want to debug it you will have to open up the archos |
| 00:30:35 | ricII | LinusN: do you think I didn't do that already ? :) |
| 00:30:39 | LinusN | to connect the CPU serial port |
| 00:30:43 | LinusN | aha |
| 00:30:49 | LinusN | most people don't |
| 00:31:16 | ricII | well, my g4 powerbook was also opened the first week... |
| 00:32:19 | LinusN | i get too many clueless questions, so i have a hard time distinguishing them from the sane ones :-) |
| 00:33:30 | ricII | I just I lost track of modern electronic after cmos & rca 1802.. |
| 00:33:55 | LinusN | "modern", yes... :-) |
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| 00:37:49 | ricII | besides I didn't like the case design, looks much better without |
| 00:38:23 | LinusN | oh, so that was you... |
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| 00:39:40 | BoD[] | youhou |
| 00:39:56 | LinusN | yo |
| 00:40:37 | hardeep | Jet8810: the bad pathname problem in the playlists has been fixed in the latest daily |
| 00:40:47 | ricII | webmind also carries his player around naked.. |
| 00:41:03 | Jet8810 | greayt |
| 00:41:14 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 00:41:29 | BoD[] | finally i made a little java app to synchronize hd <-> archos |
| 00:43:01 | * | ClosetPacifist uses rsync. |
| 00:43:56 | ricII | BoD[] cp -rup ? |
| 00:44:12 | BoD[] | i tried rsync under cygwin |
| 00:44:24 | BoD[] | it raised an error |
| 00:44:42 | BoD[] | :) |
| 00:44:48 | ricII | hmm you will need a rsync on the archos (or host) |
| 00:45:02 | ricII | sorry host.. |
| 00:45:04 | BoD[] | like .. problem while trying to change rights on a file |
| 00:45:52 | ricII | vfat, no rights.. |
| 00:46:02 | BoD[] | probably |
| 00:47:10 | BoD[] | anyway I did this little prog and after that saw the post with a link to a prog that do the same stuff, only 100 times better :) |
| 00:47:58 | LinusN | imagine how Archos felt when they saw Rockbox :-) |
| 00:48:06 | ClosetPacifist | don't belive so... rsync −−update −−recursive /path/to/music/* /path/to/jukebox/ works for me. |
| 00:48:10 | ricII | :) |
| 00:48:11 | BoD[] | ha ha hahahaha :))))) |
| 00:49:45 | BoD[] | by the way the fact that filenames contain a : (c:/) is a problem with rsync |
| 00:52:56 | ricII | hmm, to tierd to make sense, gonna sleep.. |
| 00:53:36 | BoD[] | :) |
| 00:56:19 | BoD[] | is Jedis the plural of Jedi .. or is it Jedi without s |
| 00:56:20 | BoD[] | ? |
| 00:57:23 | ClosetPacifist | think its just Jedi... |
| 00:57:51 | BoD[] | i'll use "jedi knights" |
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| 01:48:33 | Erik | is it safe to use NiMH 2000 batteries in my Recorder 20? |
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| 01:50:12 | duke_sam_vimes | hello all |
| 01:50:26 | Erik | hi |
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| 01:52:35 | Erik | duke_sam_vimes: you know a lot about Archos Recorder's? |
| 01:52:39 | Erik | can i ask u a Q |
| 01:53:21 | duke_sam_vimes | shoot, i dont know if i will be able to help though |
| 01:53:32 | Erik | will these be compatible with Recorder 20? |
| 01:53:33 | Erik | http://www.nimhbattery.com/ipower_2100mah_nimh_batteries.htm |
| 01:54:30 | Erik | the recorder came with 4 1500mAH |
| 01:54:35 | Erik | and i wanted more usage out of it |
| 01:55:04 | duke_sam_vimes | do a search on the rockbox site about batteries and have a look in the battery FAQ, i remember seeing something about the higher capacity batteries giving less power but that could be my memory playing tricks on me so check it out |
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| 01:56:09 | Erik | on the rockbox battery FAQ, it mentioned that using 1800 or 2000 are just fine. These 2100 are brand new out, so im assuming they'd work.. seeing as they are both 1.2volts |
| 01:56:31 | duke_sam_vimes | in that case i cant see any reason why there would be a problem with that |
| 01:57:21 | Kshain | hey everyone |
| 01:57:27 | Erik | i got a 4 year service plan thru best buy... so if something blows up, it shouldnt of lol so ill get a refund |
| 01:57:29 | Erik | hi Kshain |
| 01:57:55 | duke_sam_vimes | hello |
| 01:57:59 | Kshain | anyone know what that new update is (meaning what is its purpose)? |
| 01:58:06 | duke_sam_vimes | ? |
| 01:58:36 | Jet8810 | damn |
| 01:58:38 | Jet8810 | recorder truly is getting phased out |
| 01:58:38 | Jet8810 | is rockbox going to die with it? |
| 01:58:48 | Kshain | the update on rockbox site |
| 01:59:05 | Kshain | it was big enough to warrent a recent updates thread so... |
| 01:59:31 | Erik | wha? Recorder getting phased out? |
| 01:59:53 | hardeep | Kshain: see Kjell's post on the mailing list... it allows player models to display national characters... something it couldn't do before |
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| 02:00:16 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:00:16 | hardeep | very useful for languages other than english |
| 02:00:37 | PsycoXul | what archos does from this point on makes no difference to rockbox |
| 02:00:38 | duke_sam_vimes | lots of changes in the dailybuilds |
| 02:00:38 | Kshain | ah. Nothing to amazing then :) |
| 02:00:45 | Jet8810 | well |
| 02:00:52 | Jet8810 | FM recorder is replacin git |
| 02:00:52 | PsycoXul | the userbase is already established |
| 02:00:54 | Kshain | and hardeeep−− question for you |
| 02:00:54 | Jet8810 | as is multimedia |
| 02:00:58 | Erik | ahhh |
| 02:01:07 | Erik | whats so special about recording from FM? |
| 02:01:13 | * | Erik hugs his recorder |
| 02:01:17 | Kshain | is the queue function currently in the player models daily builds? |
| 02:01:21 | PsycoXul | Jet8810: and i'm not gonna buy either of them |
| 02:01:36 | hardeep | Kshain: yes |
| 02:01:45 | Erik | what model do you have PsycoXul |
| 02:01:52 | PsycoXul | studio20 |
| 02:01:53 | Jet8810 | heh true |
| 02:02:02 | PsycoXul | i might buy a used recorder20 if i ever find one cheap |
| 02:02:03 | Jet8810 | I am faced with choice of getting new mp3 player so trying to decide |
| 02:02:05 | PsycoXul | but then i might not |
| 02:02:05 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:02:13 | hardeep | Jet8810: as an example, the player models have been pretty much unsupported by Archos for a long time now |
| 02:02:24 | Jet8810 | right |
| 02:02:27 | hardeep | but rockbox is still implementing cool things for it, like today's changes |
| 02:02:29 | Jet8810 | recorder is still an older model though |
| 02:02:54 | PsycoXul | and i think rockbox will work on the FM recorders eventualy anyway |
| 02:03:18 | Erik | wont rockbox contunue to be model-spread? |
| 02:03:21 | Erik | ie all models |
| 02:03:23 | Erik | like they are now |
| 02:03:29 | PsycoXul | well |
| 02:03:33 | Kshain | weird, my player refuses to queue |
| 02:03:37 | PsycoXul | all models that it has a chance of working on |
| 02:03:43 | Kshain | I dont get the plus sign or anything |
| 02:03:55 | PsycoXul | multimedia's an entirely different thing, it needs it's own project if anybody cares to do something similar for it |
| 02:04:07 | Erik | ahh |
| 02:04:25 | Erik | well before they move on i hope they get Record MP3's and a way to make a playlist |
| 02:04:46 | PsycoXul | rockbox is gonna keep on it's current path |
| 02:04:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:04:48 | PsycoXul | afaik |
| 02:04:58 | hardeep | Kshain: You should see a message that the song is queued |
| 02:04:59 | PsycoXul | they've got no plans on doing anything with the multimedia |
| 02:05:04 | hardeep | Kshain what happens for you? |
| 02:05:18 | PsycoXul | they'll keep expanding it's functions for the current devices |
| 02:05:24 | PsycoXul | and possibly support the FM |
| 02:05:35 | PsycoXul | and thats it |
| 02:05:36 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:05:51 | Kshain | well, I just hold the play button on the song I want to add to my queue list, but nothing happens |
| 02:05:53 | hardeep | Erik: recording is implemented... try one of the daily builds |
| 02:06:02 | Kshain | am I doing that right? |
| 02:06:13 | hardeep | Kshain: are you playing something at the time? |
| 02:06:29 | Kshain | I think I've tried doing it either way |
| 02:06:51 | PsycoXul | hardeep: did you do the queue support? |
| 02:06:53 | hardeep | Kshain: while playing a track, just hold on to play to queue another track |
| 02:06:57 | hardeep | PsycoXul: yes |
| 02:07:18 | hardeep | Kshain: are you also sure you're using the latest daily build? you need to be using at least 1/9 |
| 02:07:20 | Kshain | should it give me any sort of identification that somethings happened? |
| 02:07:25 | Kshain | I am |
| 02:07:28 | PsycoXul | hardeep: just curious why you didn't use a key-combo instead of having to hold a button down for a long time |
| 02:07:33 | hardeep | Kshain: yes, it displays a message saying a song has been queued |
| 02:07:45 | Kshain | hmmm, nope never have got that |
| 02:08:15 | hardeep | Kshain: can you quickly verify you're using the right version please... |
| 02:08:29 | Kshain | sure. I'll go get the latest just in case |
| 02:09:06 | hardeep | PsycoXul: No real reason, i saw this is how it was done on the archos fw |
| 02:09:33 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:09:38 | PsycoXul | ok |
| 02:09:55 | hardeep | PsycoXul: we may change it... I know Zagor had some thoughts on using a quick menu screen for some track operations |
| 02:10:01 | PsycoXul | when i get around to upgrading my rockbox |
| 02:10:13 | PsycoXul | i'm gonna mod it to use a combo, cause personally i can't stand the way archos fw does it :p heh |
| 02:10:37 | hardeep | PsycoXul: well, the delay isn't as long as the archos fw, it's almost instantaneous |
| 02:10:45 | Erik | now that we got more people here, gonna ask once more before i order em... will these batteries work in my Recorder? http://www.nimhbattery.com/ipower_2100mah_nimh_batteries.htm |
| 02:11:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:11:56 | Kshain | hardeep, I just got the latest build (110 right?) and nope, still doesnt work for me |
| 02:12:11 | PsycoXul | Erik: i'd say so |
| 02:12:21 | Erik | ok |
| 02:12:21 | hardeep | Kshain: what happens when you hold on to play? |
| 02:12:22 | Erik | thx |
| 02:12:28 | PsycoXul | i might get a set of those heh |
| 02:12:51 | Erik | much better than 1500's |
| 02:12:52 | PsycoXul | i'll probably wait though, i just replaced mine with the spare set, so i don't really need them |
| 02:12:58 | PsycoXul | but the extra capacity would be nice |
| 02:13:20 | Kshain | nothing |
| 02:13:33 | Erik | yeah |
| 02:13:36 | Kshain | I stary playing the file, then I press and hold play, and it goes to pause |
| 02:13:37 | Erik | most powerful i could find |
| 02:13:47 | Kshain | and if I do it in pause, nothing happens either |
| 02:13:57 | hardeep | Kshain: oh, heh, you need to be in the directory browser |
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| 02:14:22 | hardeep | Kshain: then find a song you want to queue and hold on to play |
| 02:14:38 | Kshain | oh, thought you said it had to be playing |
| 02:14:42 | Kshain | one sec then |
| 02:14:53 | hardeep | Kshain: yes, a song needs to be playing |
| 02:15:00 | hardeep | Kshain: you can browse while a song is playing |
| 02:15:48 | hardeep | Kshain: press ON while in the WPS to go to browser |
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| 02:16:31 | Erik | wow... im surpirsed. that place i ordered from, 91 reviews, averaging 9.89 out of 10 |
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| 02:17:08 | Kshain | oh, dok |
| 02:17:11 | Kshain | doh* |
| 02:17:29 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 02:17:41 | Kshain | lol thanks, it works now |
| 02:17:51 | hardeep | cool |
| 02:17:55 | Kshain | Im sorta slow about these kinda things |
| 02:18:07 | Kshain | good work on the whole queue thing hardeep |
| 02:18:17 | hardeep | thanks |
| 02:18:18 | Erik | you running Rockbox? |
| 02:18:22 | Erik | it has queue? |
| 02:18:27 | ricII | grumble can't sleep |
| 02:18:30 | hardeep | Erik: latest daily |
| 02:18:34 | Erik | ahhh |
| 02:18:39 | hardeep | ricII: hehe, got rockbox on the mind? |
| 02:18:41 | Erik | i wont dl that |
| 02:18:47 | ricII | yup.. |
| 02:18:53 | Erik | im too scared lol |
| 02:18:54 | hardeep | Erik: why not? it's very stable |
| 02:19:05 | Erik | what other features does it have |
| 02:19:10 | hardeep | Erik: there's no permanent damage that it can do... :) |
| 02:19:18 | hardeep | Erik: recording |
| 02:19:22 | Erik | really?? |
| 02:19:25 | Erik | im gettin it |
| 02:19:28 | hardeep | Erik: yes |
| 02:19:52 | Erik | the one for today? |
| 02:20:03 | hardeep | Erik: yeah, get the latest |
| 02:20:18 | hardeep | Erik: there are also many bug fixes in it |
| 02:20:27 | ricII | worst case, rockbox could delete files (verry unlikly) |
| 02:20:38 | Erik | i got em all on my pc |
| 02:20:43 | Erik | so thats no big deal |
| 02:20:56 | Erik | *does the happy dance* |
| 02:21:15 | Kshain | rockbox is very cool. trust me |
| 02:21:15 | Erik | does it allow you to make your own playlists in Rockbox, without booting to the stock OS? |
| 02:21:25 | hardeep | Erik: not yet |
| 02:21:34 | Kshain | uh oh I feel a ROLO explanation comeing on |
| 02:21:39 | Erik | crap.. i gotta get something to untar these things |
| 02:21:45 | Erik | i know how to use it |
| 02:21:51 | Erik | dont worry |
| 02:21:51 | Erik | lol |
| 02:21:51 | Erik | im using 1.4 now |
| 02:21:54 | hardeep | Erik: that's not the file you want |
| 02:22:00 | Erik | and dualboot out to make playlists and record |
| 02:22:02 | Kshain | ok good :) |
| 02:22:18 | Erik | i need the .agz one? |
| 02:22:21 | hardeep | Erik: go one section below and get archos20030110.ajz |
| 02:22:33 | Kshain | hey hardeep, I got another question −− when will we be able to make our own boot screens? |
| 02:22:35 | Erik | ahh |
| 02:22:38 | Erik | okay |
| 02:22:43 | Erik | the one under target builds |
| 02:22:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 02:23:12 | hardeep | Kshain: I know there's an open feature request for it... but it's unlikely that it'll be added |
| 02:23:27 | Kshain | why? |
| 02:23:46 | ricII | use the source Kshain ;) |
| 02:23:57 | Kshain | I've tried. I give up |
| 02:24:06 | Kshain | cgywin is the devil |
| 02:24:21 | hardeep | Kshain: the file code isn't accessible at boot time, which we would need to load a customizable boot screen |
| 02:24:38 | Erik | wow... my battery went from full down to about 25% |
| 02:24:43 | Kshain | aah. And yet someone has already done it |
| 02:24:57 | Kshain | the guy on the mailing list... |
| 02:25:02 | hardeep | Erik: there's been a lot of changes to the charging/battery code to get a more accurate result |
| 02:25:19 | hardeep | Kshain: he modified the source code... something that you can always do. :) |
| 02:25:39 | Erik | i just charged em tho.. and used em for bout 2 hours |
| 02:26:13 | hardeep | Erik: i believe the new code samples over a period of time.... |
| 02:26:26 | Kshain | as I said, I cant figure the source out |
| 02:26:27 | hardeep | Erik: there's a battery faq that explains it better then I could |
| 02:26:38 | Kshain | I've tried |
| 02:27:00 | hardeep | Kshain: right, i'm just saying that's how the guy on the mailing list updated his |
| 02:27:30 | Erik | its safe to charge for like 20 min then stop, right? |
| 02:27:35 | Erik | for a boost in power? |
| 02:28:03 | hardeep | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery-faq.html#15 |
| 02:28:20 | Kshain | yah. Well, maybe I'll give it one more shot |
| 02:28:36 | steven | i hate my archos |
| 02:28:45 | hardeep | steven: eh, why's that? |
| 02:28:59 | steven | I Can only transfer files when its fully charged,and than it like it stops transfering after 2 or 3 albums |
| 02:29:18 | steven | although im on regular usb |
| 02:29:23 | hardeep | steven: ack, what is are you running? |
| 02:29:24 | steven | it shouldnt stop |
| 02:29:27 | steven | windows xp |
| 02:29:28 | hardeep | er os |
| 02:29:33 | Erik | eh, oh well. im gettin new batteries anyway.. im just shocked that it went from 90% to 40% with a build update.. |
| 02:29:43 | hardeep | steven: hmmm, that's strange |
| 02:29:46 | steven | yeah my battery drops when I transfer alot of files |
| 02:29:52 | steven | it hangs |
| 02:29:58 | steven | also |
| 02:30:21 | ricII | steven power adaptor doesn't supply anough power to spin hd... |
| 02:30:40 | steven | hrm |
| 02:31:14 | ricII | 350ma, hd spin 500ma, so batteries are drained |
| 02:31:29 | Erik | im out everyone |
| 02:31:31 | Erik | bye bye |
| 02:31:35 | Erik | thx for the help |
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| 02:32:05 | ricII | on the adaptor alone it can't spinup the hd... |
| 02:33:54 | steven | anyway to fix this |
| 02:34:01 | steven | I like to transfer 40 tracks usually |
| 02:34:20 | ricII | charge y'r batteries properly.. |
| 02:34:37 | steven | I do |
| 02:35:22 | ricII | hmm, I had no problem tranfering 5gb via usb1.1.. (with full batteries) |
| 02:35:37 | steven | what os? |
| 02:35:58 | ricII | both linuxppc & win2k.. |
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| 02:36:38 | steven | maybe it is my batteries |
| 02:36:46 | steven | How long should one charge it for |
| 02:36:51 | steven | when it's completely drained |
| 02:36:59 | ricII | first time ~ 8h |
| 02:37:26 | void_ | my led said batteries charged |
| 02:37:29 | void_ | after like 3 hours |
| 02:37:33 | void_ | after just getting it today |
| 02:38:00 | void_ | oh completly drained |
| 02:38:01 | void_ | nvm |
| 02:39:26 | ricII | assuming orignal 1500mah cells |
| 02:43:16 | PsycoXul | damn |
| 02:43:37 | PsycoXul | wireless modem internet service costs $50+/month |
| 02:46:43 | hardeep | PsycoXul: get a WiFi enabled device and sit in a Starbucks. :) |
| 02:47:40 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 02:47:43 | PsycoXul | i hate starbucks |
| 02:47:45 | PsycoXul | i don't drink coffee |
| 02:47:47 | PsycoXul | but uh |
| 02:47:48 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 02:47:55 | PsycoXul | thats more or less what i was figuring i'd end up doing |
| 02:48:22 | PsycoXul | i just need to research the hows of that sorta thing before i invest in a CF wifi card |
| 02:48:48 | PsycoXul | the hows and wheres heh |
| 02:51:03 | PsycoXul | i just got one of these: http://casio.com/personalpcs/product.cfm?section=175&product=3980&display= |
| 02:51:25 | PsycoXul | got it for $114 including shipping and a free case, on ebay heh |
| 02:51:52 | Kshain | how is it? |
| 02:51:57 | PsycoXul | charging |
| 02:51:58 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 02:52:02 | Kshain | hehe |
| 02:52:07 | PsycoXul | it just arrived today |
| 02:52:20 | PsycoXul | and after it charges i need to start hacking it |
| 02:52:25 | Kshain | lol |
| 02:52:27 | PsycoXul | it's close to a pocketpc, but it's not |
| 02:52:47 | PsycoXul | it runs some weird custom version of wince3 |
| 02:53:01 | ricII | just patched tree.c so I can browse cvs-code on the rockbox it self :) |
| 02:53:17 | PsycoXul | and you can get a new shell, dll's, and such stuff like that to make it run more pocketpc apps |
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| 02:53:46 | PsycoXul | so i need to throw all that stuff on there and start trying to figure out how to get all that software thats out there to run on it hehe |
| 02:53:52 | PsycoXul | anyway, bbl dinner |
| 02:54:00 | Kshain | cya |
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| 02:56:31 | ricII | so I can go to bed, and still browse rockbox source |
| 02:59:10 | EGM92 | I LOVE ROCKBOX!!!, |
| 02:59:31 | EGM92 | I JUST tried the original JB Firmware OMFG HOW CRAPPY IS THAT SHIT! |
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| 03:08:01 | datazone | it isnt that bad |
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| 03:20:14 | PsycoXul | yes it is |
| 03:20:15 | PsycoXul | :p |
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| 06:28:17 | Kshain | hey everyone |
| 06:33:38 | * | ClosetPacifist waves. |
| 06:34:08 | Kshain | heh hello. |
| 06:34:19 | Kshain | my, a bunch of party animals in here |
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| 07:01:42 | adi|home | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=666032&group_id=44306 |
| 07:01:48 | adi|home | who do i hit first for that? |
| 07:02:32 | PsycoXul | ahahahahaha |
| 07:03:01 | PsycoXul | Add a Comment: |
| 07:03:03 | PsycoXul | wake up to reality and get a pocketpc... |
| 07:03:04 | adi|home | yeah that was my feeling |
| 07:03:13 | PsycoXul | should i? |
| 07:03:14 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:03:23 | adi|home | nah.. i got this one |
| 07:03:26 | PsycoXul | ok |
| 07:03:26 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:03:35 | PsycoXul | woot |
| 07:03:57 | PsycoXul | my 4-disc SVCD of the two towers in done downloading and extracted |
| 07:04:54 | PsycoXul | so should i reboot to get my audio back and watch it |
| 07:04:59 | PsycoXul | or play with my new pda and watch it later |
| 07:05:09 | adi|home | lol |
| 07:05:12 | adi|home | ooooo pda |
| 07:05:13 | adi|home | what one? |
| 07:05:19 | PsycoXul | casio be-300 |
| 07:05:24 | adi|home | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439121&aid=666032&group_id=44306 |
| 07:05:27 | adi|home | hows my response? |
| 07:05:30 | adi|home | how you like the casio? |
| 07:05:39 | PsycoXul | i dunno i just got it today |
| 07:05:43 | PsycoXul | the default stuff is pretty shitty |
| 07:05:48 | PsycoXul | i'm gonna put expod on it |
| 07:05:56 | PsycoXul | which makes it more pocketpc-like |
| 07:06:00 | adi|home | nods |
| 07:06:35 | Hadaka | "Electro-anatomically impossible, mister Ripper" |
| 07:06:36 | Hadaka | :) |
| 07:06:55 | PsycoXul | hehehe |
| 07:07:22 | Hadaka | oh gods, there was a second comment :) |
| 07:07:32 | PsycoXul | adi|home: pretty good, but nobody's response was funnier |
| 07:07:53 | adi|home | lol |
| 07:07:54 | adi|home | yup |
| 07:08:10 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 07:08:15 | PsycoXul | the flip-up cover on this thing sucks |
| 07:08:27 | PsycoXul | good thing it's easy to remove |
| 07:08:48 | Hadaka | mmh and off to bed |
| 07:15:59 | PsycoXul | so i'm setting it up to put expod on there now |
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| 08:14:05 | PsycoXul | so far it rocks |
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| 08:21:54 | PsycoXul | ok, now for the two towers |
| 08:22:08 | PsycoXul | this looks like a dvd rip too... |
| 08:22:50 | PsycoXul | starts off "This Presentation You Are About To See Is For Academy Consideration Only It Is The Property Of New Line Cinema And Is Not For Sale Or Public Exhibition." |
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| 17:53:30 | pika- | ahhh |
| 17:53:32 | pika- | found you ;) |
| 17:53:58 | pika- | anyone home? |
| 17:56:48 | pika- | looking for a way to buy the remote control by itself. anyone know if it's sold outside of a kit? |
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| 18:03:35 | ricII | don't know.. |
| 18:07:24 | pika- | btw, the rockbox software is GREAT. i was going to return my Archos Rec 15 because of it's lack of resuming until I found rockbox. thanks all. |
| 18:07:41 | pika- | didn't have any idea i'd get so many other features out of it either. bonus. |
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| 18:19:53 | ricII | the thing has 12mhz cpu.. 2mb ram & hd, lot's you could do.. :) |
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| 18:24:38 | Jet8810 | does rockbox have any plans to support recorder fm and multimedia models? |
| 18:24:45 | Jet8810 | would it require starting from the ground up? |
| 18:27:11 | ricII | MM is a complete differnt beast.. |
| 18:28:06 | Jet8810 | honestly, I am getting a new MP3 player now as other one well lets just say it got left on an airplane..lol..and I wanted to get the recorder FM or the Multimedia Jukebox, but no rockbox= NO WAY! |
| 18:28:07 | Jet8810 | :)( |
| 18:29:00 | ricII | fm-recorder sould be possible, check the mailinglist |
| 18:30:07 | ricII | being prepaired to void y'r waranty could help.. |
| 18:31:16 | Jet8810 | how so? |
| 18:32:48 | ricII | schematics and such are needed |
| 18:34:13 | pika- | ric -any idea if one can pick up a wired remote outside of a kit? |
| 18:34:41 | Jet8810 | they make wired remotes for archos? heheeh |
| 18:35:02 | ricII | not that I know of, but there is something in the mailinglist about (ir-)remotes |
| 18:35:04 | pika- | yeah they sell em in a kit on their web site ;) |
| 18:36:03 | Jet8810 | pika...ebay? |
| 18:36:22 | pika- | i'll have to try that :) |
| 18:36:32 | pika- | ric - any talk about a searchable archive of the mailinglist? |
| 18:36:39 | pika- | or an active forum format ? |
| 18:37:21 | ricII | no.. |
| 18:37:29 | pika- | hmm |
| 18:37:34 | pika- | there should be talk about it ;) |
| 18:37:36 | ricII | funmp3players.com ? |
| 18:38:19 | ricII | seems to be it.. |
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| 18:39:36 | pika- | what are we looking for at that site? :D |
| 18:41:00 | ricII | I got 'the kit' with my recorder, and discoverd I can play worms with 2 players :) |
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| 18:41:56 | pika- | haha |
| 18:42:39 | trilluser | is there some sort of firmware so i can upgrade my archos R15 2 usb 2.0? |
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| 18:42:59 | ricII | trilluser ofcourse not.. |
| 18:43:31 | trilluser | i didnt think so.. but some1 was trying to convince me it was possible |
| 18:45:20 | trilluser | jus wishfull thinking |
| 18:45:45 | ricII | and I have a software mod that turns the archos into pure gold.. |
| 18:46:11 | pika- | trilluser - my R15 says it IS usb 2.0 |
| 18:46:51 | trilluser | really? |
| 18:46:59 | ricII | than it's usb2.. isn't that the difference between the isd200 & isd300 ? |
| 18:47:04 | trilluser | what firmware do u use? |
| 18:47:54 | ricII | does it matter, the firmware can only swicth the ata-usb bridge on/off |
| 18:49:06 | pika- | um |
| 18:49:09 | pika- | the newest |
| 18:49:20 | trilluser | thats not very helpfull |
| 18:49:24 | pika- | haha |
| 18:49:26 | pika- | hodl on |
| 18:49:27 | trilluser | im not sure what kinda bridge mine has |
| 18:49:47 | pika- | 2.8 i think?? |
| 18:50:01 | pika- | the packaging said usb 2.0 all over it |
| 18:50:08 | trilluser | damn where can i get that? |
| 18:50:14 | trilluser | i think i got like 1.28 |
| 18:50:16 | pika- | archos.com |
| 18:50:17 | pika- | ohhhh |
| 18:50:19 | trilluser | nah |
| 18:50:21 | pika- | that's the ver i have. sorry |
| 18:50:23 | pika- | 1.28 |
| 18:50:32 | pika- | usb2.0 is in the hardware |
| 18:50:35 | pika- | it's gotta be |
| 18:50:56 | hardeep | like ricII said, the firmware version has nothing to do with which usb chip you have |
| 18:51:16 | trilluser | its a usb chip? |
| 18:51:21 | trilluser | is that upgradable? |
| 18:51:38 | ricII | not realy... |
| 18:52:01 | pika- | it's weird that the Rec15 doesn't show up on many sites |
| 18:52:10 | pika- | is it discontinued or just rare? anyone know? |
| 18:52:19 | trilluser | rarer |
| 18:52:26 | pika- | i don't think it's even mentioned in my manual, just 10 and 20 s |
| 18:52:34 | trilluser | but if urs is usb 2.0 its def not discontinued |
| 18:52:40 | pika- | yeah weird eh |
| 18:52:42 | ricII | probly they where out of 20gb drives :) |
| 18:52:44 | pika- | haha |
| 18:52:55 | pika- | well the casing says 15 also.. and the rubber things are black, not blue |
| 18:53:05 | trilluser | werd mine as well |
| 18:53:15 | pika- | hmm |
| 18:53:16 | trilluser | damn usb chip |
| 18:53:18 | pika- | haha |
| 18:53:25 | pika- | i don't know how to know for certain if mine is usb 2.0 |
| 18:53:31 | pika- | xp is kinda confusing |
| 18:53:35 | pika- | when you plug it in |
| 18:53:50 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 18:53:57 | Jet8810 | they really shoudl sell the wired remote out of the kit heh |
| 18:54:03 | pika- | yeah i nkow |
| 18:54:04 | pika- | know |
| 18:54:05 | Jet8810 | pika, is it fast? lol |
| 18:54:06 | pika- | i want it! ;) |
| 18:54:10 | Jet8810 | hehe me too |
| 18:54:11 | ricII | confusing ??!! plain teletubies stuff |
| 18:54:12 | pika- | it seems fast, yah! hehe. |
| 18:54:12 | Jet8810 | but $40? no thanks |
| 18:54:21 | pika- | yeah no kidding. |
| 18:54:23 | trilluser | thanx ricII |
| 18:54:24 | trilluser | im out |
| 18:54:25 | trilluser | peace |
| 18:54:31 | pika- | i'll just keep opening my center console to move around in it |
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| 18:54:57 | Jet8810 | i want to kno wha tthe hell deluxe headphones are hehe |
| 18:55:08 | Jet8810 | because I need tape deck and if I get tape deck then car charger makes sense... |
| 18:55:25 | pika- | xp shows ARCHOS USB2.0 (P4a) |
| 18:55:30 | pika- | so i guess it is usb2 ;) |
| 18:55:43 | Jet8810 | hmm I see headphones |
| 18:55:46 | Jet8810 | they suck |
| 18:55:54 | Jet8810 | I may end up giving in and getting it heh |
| 18:55:59 | pika- | haha |
| 18:56:02 | Jet8810 | need everything but headphones |
| 18:56:05 | pika- | ric said something about an IR remote |
| 18:56:11 | pika- | on the mailinglist |
| 18:56:21 | pika- | that'd be cool |
| 18:56:26 | Jet8810 | ir remote? |
| 18:56:27 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 18:56:32 | Jet8810 | but need direct line of sight |
| 18:56:37 | Jet8810 | I would leave it in my pocket and use that |
| 18:56:38 | pika- | true. me too. |
| 18:56:43 | ricII | I want 1ghz ethernet on my archos ;) |
| 18:56:57 | pika- | mine goes in my center console so i'd need wired i guess |
| 18:56:58 | hardeep | pika-: you can search the mailing list archives using the search option in the left column of the rockbox website |
| 18:57:06 | pika- | you can search??? |
| 18:57:13 | pika- | how did i miss that? :D |
| 18:57:26 | pika- | i'm blind. :D |
| 18:57:36 | Jet8810 | heh ok |
| 18:57:40 | Jet8810 | found it for $33 :) |
| 18:57:49 | pika- | the whole kit ? o |
| 18:57:56 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 18:58:04 | Jet8810 | http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=516004/search=Archos%2520500179/ut=d156b6c4d7280471 |
| 18:58:30 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 18:58:45 | Jet8810 | ends up being about $40 shipped for me... |
| 18:59:31 | ricII | hmm howabout the sony joystick ? |
| 18:59:54 | Jet8810 | whats that? |
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| 19:00:16 | ricII | http://www.geocities.com/notching/Sony-archos-remote.html |
| 19:00:59 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 19:01:17 | Jet8810 | no soldering or anything, just works? |
| 19:01:57 | ricII | no, but not on the archos |
| 19:02:09 | Jet8810 | solder the remote? |
| 19:02:43 | Jet8810 | lowest price $70? lol |
| 19:10:52 | Hadaka | um, the tape-emulator so you can connect the archos to the car-stereo through tape? |
| 19:11:05 | Hadaka | I hear the sound quality is really bad in those :( |
| 19:12:30 | hardeep | ls |
| 19:30:25 | pika- | i have a tape adapter, it's not bad |
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| 19:31:04 | pika- | i just got a special cable that gives me RCA inputs to my car stereo, but i've been using the tape adapter... other than the annoying cable, it serves the purpose and it is cheap |
| 19:39:28 | pika- | jet you still there |
| 19:52:00 | ricII | hi hardeep, any new thoughts on the playlist stuff ? |
| 19:52:29 | hardeep | ricII: sounds like you've got most everything figured out already.... just waiting for the end result now :) |
| 19:52:49 | ricII | I don't known where to start :( |
| 19:53:22 | ricII | I wish to eliminate dirplayback to free the dircache.. (so it can be reused) |
| 19:53:59 | hardeep | that's not a bad starting point, get rid of the in_ram stuff in playlist |
| 19:54:15 | hardeep | ricII: essentially do the same thing as queueing already does, but for playlists |
| 19:54:36 | hardeep | ricII: maybe we can combine everything together into some sort of playlist creation api |
| 19:55:33 | ricII | some kindof cache would be nice too |
| 19:56:06 | hardeep | ricII: possibly, but that can be done later |
| 19:57:09 | pika- | guys is there a way to turn off all animation on the WPS to further limit battery drain, or is that so little that it's not worth it? |
| 19:57:36 | Hadaka | pika-: soon will be, I'd guess - since there's another problem |
| 19:57:44 | pika- | like i don't need the area that shows where you are in the track |
| 19:57:48 | hardeep | pika-: the wps is completely configurable |
| 19:57:50 | pika- | or elapsed time |
| 19:58:18 | hardeep | pika-: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html |
| 19:58:20 | pika- | i think i read that, just hadn't looked that far into it |
| 19:58:34 | hardeep | pika-: put only what you want on the wps |
| 19:58:48 | pika- | great, thanks. i just keep this hidden from view so i don't need some of that since i don't look at it all that often while it plays ;) |
| 19:58:49 | hardeep | pika-: you can also disable the status bar via a setup option |
| 19:59:29 | Hadaka | rockbox needs a 'screensaver' |
| 19:59:31 | hardeep | pika-: it's also easy to switch between custom wps'... so you can have one for when it's in the pocket and one for when you're looking at it |
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| 20:00:26 | hardeep | Hadaka: yeah, a screensaver isn't a bad idea |
| 20:00:29 | ricII | also thought about dropping m3u format and use linklists. |
| 20:01:03 | hardeep | Hadaka: we could also allow the user to setup a custom screensaver... |
| 20:01:06 | pika- | status only gets rid of the top bar... it's the bottom one i'm looking at. i'll dig into the custom stuff |
| 20:01:21 | hardeep | ricII: er, why? the great thing about m3u is that it can be played from all apps |
| 20:01:26 | ricII | but I am against it, we would lose the playlist creation.. |
| 20:01:41 | hardeep | pika-: right, custom wps for the bottom stuff, and status bar for the top line |
| 20:01:50 | Hadaka | hardeep: perhaps - blank screen is what I require |
| 20:02:53 | hardeep | Hadaka: that could be the default screen (i'd prefer blank too) |
| 20:03:19 | hardeep | I just know a lot of people have been requesting a custom boot screen... since that's kind of messy, figured we'd at least give them a custom screensaver |
| 20:03:24 | Hadaka | for me it's not a matter of preference - I hear the noise made when the LCD screen is updated |
| 20:03:38 | hardeep | Hadaka: ah, right... i've heard other people mention that too |
| 20:03:50 | hardeep | Hadaka: haven't noticed it myself though |
| 20:04:45 | Hadaka | or actually, any other static picture would do as well, I guess |
| 20:05:33 | pika- | hardeep- any way to make a line longer than the screen wrap (instead of scroll)? |
| 20:05:53 | hardeep | pika-: no |
| 20:06:03 | pika- | okie |
| 20:06:29 | ricII | been thinking about that yesterday... |
| 20:06:52 | hardeep | there's an open feature request for it iirc |
| 20:06:56 | pika- | i'd like that - because it's rather hard to read something when it's scrolling. maybe my scroll speed it too fast. |
| 20:07:03 | ricII | a simple line printing mode |
| 20:07:11 | hardeep | pika-: scroll speed is configurable |
| 20:07:11 | pika- | is |
| 20:07:18 | pika- | yeah i saw that. just hadn't thought about it ;) |
| 20:07:26 | pika- | this wps config stuff is easy. nice. |
| 20:08:09 | ricII | but gets ugly when fontsize < 8... |
| 20:10:31 | ricII | lcd-xxxx.c functions need somekind of cursor (reporting) |
| 20:11:05 | hardeep | ricII: make a feature request :) |
| 20:11:27 | ricII | it's just cosmetic.. |
| 20:12:26 | ricII | I intent to implement this stuff with the release of my 5px rockbox font :) |
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| 20:14:33 | ricII | I don't like to whine about little things, put my code where my mouth is.... |
| 20:22:59 | pika- | rockbox impresses me more every time i mess with it ;) |
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| 20:23:16 | pika- | thanks for the wps tip, thought it'd be a long and difficult process but it was too easy |
| 20:23:36 | pika- | got my annoying directories not showing and the progress bar out! yippee! |
| 20:23:49 | pika- | now let me bold and change font sizes per line/character and i'll be set! hehe. |
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| 20:24:44 | ricII | hardeep: copy_on_write is even more expensive, we need absolute paths.. (or a #base in the anomymous.m3u) |
| 20:27:27 | hardeep | ricII: i don't see how copy_on_write and absolute paths are related.... |
| 20:28:54 | ricII | if the user plays a playlist, and start appending stuff I need to make a fresh playlist reflecting the current situation.. |
| 20:29:43 | hardeep | ricII: i thought you had decided to use include files and only write when the user requests a save |
| 20:30:03 | hardeep | ricII: er write to the main playlist that is |
| 20:31:22 | ricII | but I need a real current playlist, eg .rockboc/.anomymous.m3u (no more playlists in ram..) |
| 20:31:43 | hardeep | ricII: oh, for dirplay |
| 20:32:22 | hardeep | ricII: even then, you could still use include files for playlist insertions |
| 20:32:29 | ricII | and any dynamic change, I must be able to create the hook |
| 20:32:38 | ricII | yes. |
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| 20:35:00 | ricII | can't do that in the users playlist, can't do it ram (or shutdown could take ages (resume) ) |
| 20:38:03 | ricII | maybe the #base directive is very logical thing with the #include |
| 20:38:17 | hardeep | i'm still not following.... the include files would have well defined names so you know where you are inserting... all that needs to be in ram is a simple list of where insertions exist |
| 20:38:44 | hardeep | this list wouldn't need to be saved for resume because you can easily figure it out using the well defined names |
| 20:39:26 | ricII | insertion points sould, but clever naming could help.. |
| 20:39:29 | hardeep | what you would need to save for resume is whether or not you're currently playing one of the insertions |
| 20:39:48 | hardeep | and which one |
| 20:40:16 | hardeep | insertion points could be stored in the filename as well |
| 20:40:28 | ricII | no, only the current number, walking down the lists will bring you to right song.. |
| 20:40:58 | hardeep | sure, you could do it that way as well |
| 20:41:13 | hardeep | either way, it doesn't sound like a big problem |
| 20:41:27 | hardeep | and i still don't see how it's related to absolute pathnames |
| 20:41:27 | ricII | didn't consider shuffle yet.. |
| 20:42:09 | hardeep | if you insert into a shuffled playlist... there is no problem |
| 20:42:30 | hardeep | the only strange case is where you append and want it shuffled in... but i thought you had already figured that out |
| 20:42:43 | hardeep | re: second shuffle with same seed |
| 20:42:50 | ricII | yes.. |
| 20:45:18 | hardeep | actually, append shuffle could also be done by choosing a random insertion point for the track |
| 20:45:32 | hardeep | wouldn't even need to re-shuffle everything |
| 20:45:47 | hardeep | and then it's just another insertion... easy for resume |
| 20:45:58 | ricII | true |
| 20:50:57 | ricII | ok this would leave us with a /.rockbox/.insertions/#tracknr files, new case: delete from list function |
| 20:51:31 | ricII | I hate this song, kick it out... |
| 20:51:57 | ricII | when user says, inserted a m3u.. |
| 20:52:28 | hardeep | ricII: okay, first of all, in the anon playlist, just comment out the line (replace first char with #) |
| 20:52:37 | hardeep | so, no copy and it's gone |
| 20:52:58 | ricII | ok thats easy! |
| 20:52:59 | hardeep | then you need to update the indices in the playlist code |
| 20:53:29 | hardeep | for non-shuffle: just move everyting up one |
| 20:53:53 | hardeep | for shuffle: hmmmm, not as easy |
| 20:54:05 | hardeep | because of resume |
| 20:57:02 | ricII | hmmhmm, existance of a #tracknr invalidates current track.. track sould be repeated in #include file.. |
| 20:57:15 | hardeep | actually, don't mess with the indices for either modes |
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| 20:58:02 | hardeep | ricII: yeah, that works |
| 20:58:16 | hardeep | ricII: that way we can handle insertion before or after current song |
| 20:58:54 | ricII | just need more buttons on the archos :) |
| 20:58:54 | hardeep | just getting back to delete for a sec.... when we get to and index and find it commented out in the playlist... skip it |
| 20:59:09 | hardeep | ricII: this should work even after resume |
| 20:59:38 | hardeep | ricII: but we would need a special comment so we could identify it as a playlist removal as opposed to a normal inserted comment |
| 20:59:49 | ricII | holdon gonna grab some coffee, we are getting somewhere.. |
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| 21:04:53 | ricII | no need to comment out in the playlist, the existance of a .insertions/#nr already invalidates the track not? |
| 21:05:50 | hardeep | ricII: yeah, for insertions |
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| 21:05:55 | hardeep | ricII: i was referring to deletions |
| 21:05:56 | ricII | a empty include would just advance.. |
| 21:06:06 | hardeep | ricII: hmmm, that could work too, yeah |
| 21:06:41 | hardeep | ricII: in fact, that may be even cleaner |
| 21:07:48 | hardeep | so, the magical insertions handle insert AND delete... nice |
| 21:08:13 | ricII | almost to nice to be true... |
| 21:10:52 | hardeep | one potential problem with all these small files we create and delete: fragmentation |
| 21:12:39 | ricII | could give them fixed lenght and rename when not in use |
| 21:13:29 | hardeep | yeah, although fixed length may not work |
| 21:13:54 | hardeep | but still, at least as long as it works... why not |
| 21:16:13 | hardeep | afk for a bit |
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| 21:28:41 | ricII | no need for multilpy files, one big insert file would do (maxindeces*2*maxpath) just lseek to proper place.. |
| 21:31:24 | ricII | even maxindices*(maxpath+1) first char tells us if we sould invalidate the track in playlisy |
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| 21:34:52 | hardeep | ricII: i like |
| 21:35:55 | hardeep | actually, hmmmm.... the file would need to be ~5MB |
| 21:36:09 | hardeep | 10000 * 260 |
| 21:36:12 | hardeep | * 2 |
| 21:36:43 | ricII | 2.5 mb.. still rather large (if we use first char) |
| 21:36:44 | hardeep | seeking could potentially take time |
| 21:37:44 | ricII | needs to be done on any peek, but could be bufferd |
| 21:39:31 | ricII | same goes for a large shuffled playlist |
| 21:39:46 | hardeep | ricII: true |
| 21:41:10 | ricII | it's just a large array on disk, no need for indices since we have fixed record lenght |
| 21:45:57 | ricII | apart from the unnessery copy, what would be the objection of handling all playback modes this way? |
| 21:48:54 | hardeep | unnecessary copy? i thought you were only going to copy if a user wants to save |
| 21:49:09 | hardeep | otherwise, if the playlist is already on disk, just use that instead of anon? |
| 21:50:16 | ricII | it's aready on disk, true. but not fixed lenght records creating the need for the indices.. |
| 21:51:50 | hardeep | the indices don't take up all that much memory... |
| 21:52:14 | hardeep | but back to your question.... the copy is the only downside i can think of |
| 21:52:38 | hardeep | oh... also, relative pathnames in the playlist |
| 21:52:48 | hardeep | they would need to be accounted for in the copy |
| 21:52:56 | hardeep | making the load slower |
| 21:56:15 | ricII | so we have 3 types of playlists, the users m3u, the queue, and the inserts.. (dir playback being insert on #0 ?) |
| 21:58:23 | hardeep | looks right.... |
| 21:58:36 | hardeep | although queue could just be a special case of an insert |
| 21:58:50 | hardeep | basically, delete the insert once the last song is done |
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| 22:06:52 | ricII | something tells me we went wrong here.. |
| 22:07:45 | hardeep | why? |
| 22:09:50 | ricII | we can't use a disk-array to insert without moving everything (on disk) we could use it as a buffer but still need a index to set the order.. |
| 22:10:38 | hardeep | oh, heh... yeah. |
| 22:10:42 | ricII | oops |
| 22:11:08 | hardeep | back to the multiple files idea then... |
| 22:11:14 | hardeep | that's still okay |
| 22:12:54 | ricII | having the fs code do the indexing? |
| 22:13:29 | hardeep | nah, do the indexing in the playlist code |
| 22:14:25 | ricII | basicly the multiply files idea shifts the index/order to the fs code... |
| 22:19:51 | hardeep | what index/order are you referring to? |
| 22:20:08 | hardeep | The index into the file? We will need to save that in the playlist code |
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| 22:22:26 | ricII | writing include files a way to move allocation & order information to the fs code.. |
| 22:22:58 | ricII | not ? |
| 22:23:12 | hardeep | heh, sure... at a very low level... |
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| 22:23:22 | hardeep | but why does that matter? |
| 22:24:01 | ricII | since we known what exactly we want we could better do it ourselfs in an optimized way.. |
| 22:24:29 | hardeep | the question is, do we really need to optimize it |
| 22:24:37 | hardeep | at this level, i don't really think so |
| 22:26:27 | ricII | the design of the naming scheme is just as hard as making our own indexes... and doesn't fragmentate the disk |
| 22:27:04 | hardeep | I've got to go... lets discuss later. :) |
| 22:27:12 | ricII | yes... |
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| 22:38:19 | ricII | just for the record: the /# naming replacing #include throw away the posibility to nest includes |
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| 22:41:13 | _Freak_ | io |
| 22:41:18 | _Freak_ | anybody awake? |
| 22:41:25 | ricII | yo |
| 22:42:03 | _Freak_ | hehe |
| 22:42:08 | _Freak_ | nice |
| 22:42:11 | _Freak_ | had a q |
| 22:42:41 | ricII | shoot |
| 22:43:13 | _Freak_ | I am trying to figure out how come certin devices (like USB pens with flash, USB drives) can work without loading a driver |
| 22:44:06 | ricII | storage class devices, simple there is already an unified driver inplace |
| 22:44:15 | _Freak_ | hmzz |
| 22:44:31 | _Freak_ | Is there a way to implement that with the Archos? |
| 22:44:56 | _Freak_ | Since it's rather annoying to have to carry around a driver disk every where you go with your drive |
| 22:45:33 | ricII | huh, doesn't archos just work (I know little about $m) |
| 22:46:18 | void_ | worked for me without driver |
| 22:46:21 | ricII | but I needed no driver pluging it in w2k.. |
| 22:46:22 | void_ | on window me |
| 22:46:31 | _Freak_ | nope, gotta load a driver to make it work, and I was wondering if there was a way in the firmware to tweak it so that win (or lin) for that matter will recognize the device as a simple HD |
| 22:46:32 | void_ | and I'm guessing xp too |
| 22:46:52 | _Freak_ | hmzz wierd void_ |
| 22:47:05 | _Freak_ | since archos provides a driver for all OS's |
| 22:47:07 | ricII | no, all is done by the usb-ata chip. |
| 22:47:09 | _Freak_ | so I figure not |
| 22:47:17 | _Freak_ | darn... |
| 22:47:52 | void_ | I wish there was a fbsd driver :( |
| 22:48:15 | _Freak_ | shouldn't be too hard to implement void_ |
| 22:48:25 | void_ | well if someone did it for linux |
| 22:48:31 | _Freak_ | indeed |
| 22:48:45 | _Freak_ | I don't know much about fbsd |
| 22:49:10 | _Freak_ | but if they use anywhere close to the same kernel model as linux does, it should ba rather simple job |
| 22:50:37 | ricII | void_: http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/usb/ ? |
| 22:51:13 | _Freak_ | I guess the same goes for charging the archos through the USB cable (impossible to change because of the usb-ata chip) |
| 22:51:48 | _Freak_ | or at least power the device through the USB cable |
| 22:52:19 | ricII | _Freak_: not without voiding the warranty... |
| 22:52:26 | void_ | ricII I see support for the Rio |
| 22:52:29 | void_ | not for the archos |
| 22:53:26 | _Freak_ | 'cause I am not sure if you guy ran into this before, but I've had situations where when I was transferring files from my HD to the archos I ran out of batteries, and even though the Archos was plugged into the power outlet, still it was impossible to keep on transferring files and the device simply dies |
| 22:55:09 | ricII | yep power adpator doesn't give anough power to spin hd, batteries are drained.. |
| 22:55:51 | ricII | the voltage regulator delivers ~350ma diskspin eats ~500ma... |
| 22:56:44 | _Freak_ | hmzzz, a player like the Creative Zen does this, on the other hand they implement their own filesystem, and you need to use their proprietary to transfer files instead of simply using the explorer |
| 22:57:09 | ricII | spiningup the drive ~ 1A, could blow the fuse in the hostcontroler... |
| 22:57:25 | void_ | device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da |
| 22:57:32 | void_ | wonder if that'll work |
| 22:58:13 | ricII | void_ isd300 (recorder) has a better change |
| 22:59:56 | _Freak_ | hmzz, well didn't need a power adapter of 1A, if only they had used a 600mA one, we could solve some probs :) |
| 23:00 |
| 23:01:38 | ricII | actualy is the regulator in the archos... |
| 23:01:45 | _Freak_ | yup figured that |
| 23:03:34 | _Freak_ | what about a device with the following specs: 30Gb, USB 2.0, hot pluggable (no drivers needed), slick design, variable chip (for importing different audio format decoders) design |
| 23:05:23 | ricII | sound almost like my laptop |
| 23:06:20 | _Freak_ | lols, yup but would be an ideal device to sell |
| 23:06:40 | _Freak_ | besides your laptop is a little too big to carry in you shirt pocket :p |
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| 23:18:43 | [VooDoo] | hello |
| 23:18:48 | void_ | umass0: ARCHOS ARCHOS USB2.0 (P4a), rev 2.00/11.01, addr 2 |
| 23:18:54 | void_ | I think it did it |
| 23:18:56 | [VooDoo] | can i have one question to developers? |
| 23:18:58 | void_ | I have to mount it though |
| 23:19:17 | _Freak_ | go for it void_ |
| 23:19:19 | _Freak_ | :p |
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| 23:25:03 | void_ | hah it worked |
| 23:25:08 | ricII | :) |
| 23:25:12 | void_ | mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /mnt |
| 23:25:27 | ricII | void_ use vfat |
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| 23:25:31 | void_ | ok |
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