| 00:00:01 | bmidy | hi all |
| 00:00:16 | bmidy | is there some people working on the bookmark here |
| 00:01:33 | bmidy | s |
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| 00:30:09 | BoD[] | hi |
| 00:30:23 | hardeep | hello |
| 00:30:23 | BoD[] | well |
| 00:30:29 | BoD[] | finally |
| 00:30:39 | BoD[] | I *still* have reboot problems |
| 00:30:41 | BoD[] | :((((( |
| 00:32:47 | EGM92 | i'M STILL HAVING LSOT OF PROBLEMS WITH the new daily builds, a lot of bugs too many to report, like the volume level suddenly drops from like 100% to 70% |
| 00:33:13 | EGM92 | and like the hdd spins but it doesn't go anywhere jsut stays on an freezes |
| 00:34:44 | BoD[] | :( |
| 00:35:05 | EGM92 | like the sound changes from Stero to Mono |
| 00:35:11 | BoD[] | !! ! |
| 00:35:36 | EGM92 | I'LL BE LISTening to my beats and the it sc rews up |
| 00:35:39 | EGM92 | I hate it! |
| 00:35:46 | EGM92 | I think 1.4 is the msot stable version |
| 00:36:37 | BoD[] | i dont have problems with the biuld i use (one from 2 or 3 weeks ago) |
| 00:36:46 | BoD[] | except my unit randomly reboots;) |
| 00:36:54 | BoD[] | but i think it's an hardware problem |
| 00:36:56 | EGM92 | lol same here!! |
| 00:37:13 | EGM92 | playnig a song and bam jsut turns off i look at th screen and it says power off |
| 00:37:27 | BoD[] | for me, it never happens when the batteries are fully charged |
| 00:38:19 | EGM92 | mine happens when pwoer is around 80% |
| 00:39:11 | void_ | damn I hope I don't have that problem |
| 00:39:18 | void_ | I had that with my old classic chd500 |
| 00:39:22 | void_ | thing was a piece of crap |
| 00:39:26 | Zagor | EGM92: rockbox never displays "power off" |
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| 00:40:36 | BoD[] | same here |
| 00:40:48 | BoD[] | it happens when estimated says 10 hours |
| 00:40:59 | BoD[] | then reboots and estimated says 7 hours :) |
| 00:41:08 | Alucard_ | ...where can i see the time? |
| 00:41:24 | Zagor | BoD[]: same what? |
| 00:42:00 | BoD[] | zagor : same symptom that egm92 says (around 80%) |
| 00:42:12 | Zagor | BoD[]: it says "power off" ? |
| 00:42:17 | BoD[] | nono :)) |
| 00:42:28 | BoD[] | it randomly reboots |
| 00:42:35 | BoD[] | when i press a key... |
| 00:42:42 | BoD[] | i posted a desc in the list |
| 00:42:47 | Zagor | have you fixed the battery springs? |
| 00:42:56 | BoD[] | i said I changed the batteries and the problem did not occur anymore |
| 00:43:08 | BoD[] | but I was too optimistic, as the problem DOES occur |
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| 00:43:16 | Alucard_ | it's egm |
| 00:43:16 | Alucard_ | something happened |
| 00:43:16 | Alucard_ | yep i FIXED MY SPRINGS |
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| 00:44:13 | BoD[] | fixed ? |
| 00:44:19 | BoD[] | the springs ? |
| 00:44:31 | EGM92 | it was th cause of my player not even turning out, then I moved thm too it to radio shack got it all fixed |
| 00:44:55 | BoD[] | mm |
| 00:45:05 | BoD[] | i think i'll return my unit to archos |
| 00:45:14 | BoD[] | i bought it via their website |
| 00:45:34 | EGM92 | haha, I want to get thier multi media player!! but im poor lol |
| 00:45:45 | BoD[] | well me i want an ipod :)) |
| 00:46:00 | BoD[] | tried one this weekend for the first time |
| 00:46:06 | BoD[] | it's small |
| 00:46:13 | BoD[] | and pretty :) |
| 00:46:27 | EGM92 | lol |
| 00:46:33 | EGM92 | i hate Ipods!! |
| 00:46:45 | BoD[] | really ? why |
| 00:46:50 | EGM92 | i got the drivers that allows it to work on Xp but it wouldn't work!! |
| 00:47:15 | EGM92 | I paid like 900$CAD for a 100gb player, couldn't get a refund |
| 00:47:32 | BoD[] | you mean 10gb |
| 00:47:59 | BoD[] | or |
| 00:48:01 | hardeep | heh, $900CDN is rather obscene for an mp3 player |
| 00:48:02 | EGM92 | oppps sorry I mean 60gb from Ebay |
| 00:48:17 | BoD[] | ...or ??? :) |
| 00:48:30 | BoD[] | anywayyyyyyyyy |
| 00:48:35 | EGM92 | or? |
| 00:48:40 | BoD[] | or nothing |
| 00:48:54 | EGM92 | I got some stuff for my ibook, cd-rw drive |
| 00:49:03 | EGM92 | with it |
| 00:49:04 | BoD[] | by the way it's %bt on your wps file |
| 00:49:22 | BoD[] | (to see the estimated battery time left) |
| 00:50:15 | BoD[] | and now i go to bed |
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| 00:50:25 | EGM92 | kkk |
| 00:50:27 | EGM92 | night |
| 00:50:31 | BoD[] | see you |
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| 01:30:05 | Zagor | bed time |
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| 03:16:56 | EGM92 | Hey anyone around? |
| 03:22:41 | hardeep | EGM92: yeah |
| 03:23:07 | hardeep | EGM92: but it's gonna have to be quick... just about to leave |
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| 03:55:59 | Goku_4658 | n e 1 here? |
| 03:56:45 | Goku_4658 | hmm... |
| 03:57:37 | ricII | hmm |
| 03:58:02 | Goku_4658 | you a mod? |
| 03:59:57 | ricII | eeh? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:49 | Goku_4658 | i need some1 who knows the insides of these damn things, hardware |
| 04:00:57 | ricII | just got home (don't have work until 10h) |
| 04:01:44 | ricII | you meen the archos, I known basicly how it works.. |
| 04:01:58 | Goku_4658 | u know the hardware though |
| 04:02:41 | Goku_4658 | my + button is not responding unless i smash it with my thumbnail..... |
| 04:02:52 | Goku_4658 | its annoying me |
| 04:02:57 | ricII | in short I say the risc come to life ('80) and lose.... |
| 04:03:54 | Goku_4658 | hmm, so i guess i'll need a sodier iron or such? |
| 04:03:59 | ricII | I have a lot of digital stuff here, still outpreforming intel/ppc |
| 04:05:09 | ricII | and yes I recoverd 1 of my multia's form the heatdeath.. |
| 04:05:52 | ricII | soldering smd stuff without proper tools |
| 04:06:00 | Goku_4658 | hmm, that coulda helped when my pc fried (i built it) |
| 04:06:21 | Goku_4658 | damn athlons, the heatsync was rejecting the heat |
| 04:06:34 | ricII | chis |
| 04:07:45 | ricII | ehh chips brake, will need replacement in the alpha case just a signalconverter 3v<=>5v (cmos<=>ttl) |
| 04:08:25 | Goku_4658 | hmm... |
| 04:09:46 | ricII | a 74abt623 in my case.. |
| 04:10:31 | ricII | simple thing.. |
| 04:11:31 | ricII | but i seen the basic schematic's of archos |
| 04:12:22 | Goku_4658 | hmm. I don;t know if the chip is dead or what, but when i push it, it doesn't click unless i really smash it. |
| 04:12:46 | Goku_4658 | i have to really push it hard to get it to register my button-push |
| 04:13:31 | ricII | ehh sounds like mechanical problem. |
| 04:14:09 | Goku_4658 | the pad wiggles a bit too. Every other button works like a charm |
| 04:14:41 | Goku_4658 | that damn + button is scraped to the ugly brown color, and i've only had it less than a month |
| 04:14:54 | ricII | switch probely damaged.. |
| 04:15:15 | Goku_4658 | it clicks, it just takes quite a bit of force |
| 04:15:51 | Goku_4658 | Maybe io should just get the warranty-thingee done, i just dodn't want to hafta transfer everything again :( |
| 04:15:55 | ricII | force will only make things worse.. |
| 04:16:17 | Goku_4658 | damn usb 1.1. |
| 04:17:28 | ricII | my rec20 can do 2.0 but my lap & other comp's can't |
| 04:18:12 | elinenbe | ricII: are you working on a playslist editor? |
| 04:18:51 | ricII | not yet, checking queuing, implementing resume.. |
| 04:19:23 | Goku_4658 | thanks for the help. I'm gonna go and box this thing. Oh, i noticed the lcd on my studio 10 has a rec icon on the lcd... Just a bit of info.. I'm gunna go away now, peace yall. |
| 04:19:34 | elinenbe | ricII: what do you mean checking queueing? |
| 04:19:51 | elinenbe | ricII: resume is already implemented. |
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| 04:20:02 | ricII | elinenbe: new pl-code works completely differnt. |
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| 04:20:38 | elinenbe | ricII: what exactly have you canged? |
| 04:20:48 | ricII | nomore play from rsam |
| 04:20:52 | ricII | ram |
| 04:21:06 | elinenbe | ricII: so, there will be unlimited directories. |
| 04:21:30 | ricII | queuing is an insert which gets deleted when it's played... |
| 04:21:50 | elinenbe | ricII: sounds nice. |
| 04:22:00 | Goku_4658 | elinenbe, i hope you don't mind me setting up a URL forward to the site, i can never remember the address. |
| 04:22:01 | elinenbe | ricII: how far are you from completion? |
| 04:22:28 | elinenbe | Goku_4658: no problem, but Zagor and Bagder are in charge of the site. |
| 04:22:29 | ricII | don't have much time to work on it this week :( |
| 04:23:00 | elinenbe | ric: do you have anything thrat works at all? |
| 04:23:10 | elinenbe | ricII: from a user endpoint? |
| 04:23:21 | Goku_4658 | ok, can you please notify them, i don't want to have them mad at me for not notifying them. |
| 04:23:38 | elinenbe | Goku_4658: I think they will check out the logs. |
| 04:23:40 | ricII | without resume, queing & insert works now .. |
| 04:23:45 | Goku_4658 | ok, thx |
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| 04:24:21 | elinenbe | ricII: what exactly are the benfits of the new code? |
| 04:24:49 | ricII | been using my code for 4 days and my archos didn't crash :) |
| 04:25:26 | ricII | much less ram use, simplified, more posibilties. |
| 04:25:29 | elinenbe | ricII: well, my recorder does not crash either. |
| 04:25:34 | elinenbe | ricII: nice. |
| 04:25:49 | elinenbe | ricII: would I notice much of a difference from the current CVS? |
| 04:26:18 | ricII | apart from playlist.c no.. |
| 04:27:09 | elinenbe | ricII: could I check it out? |
| 04:27:24 | ricII | what it does is making dynamic playlists (using a patchfile) |
| 04:27:47 | elinenbe | ricII: could you DCC it here? I would love to look at the code. |
| 04:28:28 | ricII | elinenbe: there are is no interface to use the new functionalily... |
| 04:28:42 | elinenbe | ricII: ahhh. okay |
| 04:29:30 | ricII | first I want to have the old stuff working.. lot of hools do to do new things |
| 04:29:48 | elinenbe | ricII: one thing that I would love to see is recursive directory playing. |
| 04:30:15 | elinenbe | set the mode to recursive, and shuffle and play a song in the root dir, and then you have full device shuffle |
| 04:30:20 | ricII | it's part of the dynamic pl idea... |
| 04:30:32 | elinenbe | sounds great |
| 04:30:45 | elinenbe | I look forward to seeing it. |
| 04:31:03 | ricII | ultamaly you create pl on the fly.. |
| 04:31:14 | elinenbe | ricII: that sounds awesome. |
| 04:31:26 | ricII | being able to save them, deleted songs etc. |
| 04:31:36 | elinenbe | ricII: add files, directory, or playlist, and be able to edit them on the fly. |
| 04:32:21 | ricII | edit: well ehh save what you did.. |
| 04:32:44 | elinenbe | it would be great to be able to cut/paste/crop/etc. |
| 04:32:55 | ricII | an editor is a sepparate app |
| 04:33:33 | PsycoXul | i'd like to be able to select multiple files to add/remove |
| 04:33:50 | ricII | but insert after/before song playing, at the end, delete etc sould all be posible |
| 04:34:09 | elinenbe | that would be awesome... it could drop you into a "playlist editor" |
| 04:34:09 | PsycoXul | like the shift/ctrl+click type of selection in a GUI file browser sorta deal |
| 04:34:30 | ricII | modifing what in 'ram' and be able to save it.. |
| 04:36:04 | ricII | the interface is done mostly in tree.c.. |
| 04:36:56 | ricII | but adding/queying dir's is on high on my list.. |
| 04:37:29 | elinenbe | ricII: what about adding/queuing playlists? |
| 04:37:58 | ricII | same thing a dir is a list of files, just like a m3u... |
| 04:39:12 | elinenbe | ricII: stop wasting your time chatting. It will be nice to see this once you are done! |
| 04:39:33 | ricII | well it needs a lot of thinking.. |
| 04:39:58 | ricII | like what is a user only want's to queue forever... |
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| 04:40:29 | ricII | s/is/if |
| 04:40:52 | ricII | yes, hardeep I see y'r prob, |
| 04:41:02 | elinenbe | ricII: hardeep did the current queue code. |
| 04:41:05 | hardeep | ricII: ? |
| 04:41:23 | ricII | elinenbe: I known |
| 04:41:54 | hardeep | ricII: i was thinking of queueing playlists.... if we're appending playlists (the more common case i believe)... maybe we should just save the playlist name instead of all tracks in the playlist |
| 04:42:16 | ricII | hardeep growing file, user which only uses the queue functionality... |
| 04:42:19 | hardeep | ricII: and then just load the tracks once we reach the playlist |
| 04:42:49 | hardeep | ricII: oh... heh. I never bothered dealing with it either.... but yeah, it could be a problem |
| 04:43:17 | ricII | true mods will still be posible due to the patching nature .. |
| 04:43:43 | hardeep | ricII: we could compress the patch file once we reach the end... |
| 04:43:54 | hardeep | ricII: maybe compress isn't the right word |
| 04:44:21 | hardeep | ricII: move all the insertions to the beginning of the playlist |
| 04:44:39 | hardeep | ricII: and then update the indices |
| 04:44:50 | ricII | I like to call it rewrite (because of it seqencesial nature..) |
| 04:45:08 | hardeep | ricII: works for me. :) |
| 04:46:00 | hardeep | ricII: it could be a little expensive though... considering we're dealing with a ~2.5M file by that time |
| 04:46:15 | ricII | yeah, but e |
| 04:46:28 | ricII | we could put the limit lower.. |
| 04:46:57 | hardeep | ricII: right... we just need to allow a reasonable number of insertions |
| 04:48:03 | ricII | with fixed length record we could easly resuse queing positions... |
| 04:48:19 | hardeep | ricII: oh, i thought you weren't doing fixed length |
| 04:48:29 | hardeep | ricII: 'cause yeah, with fixed length it's pretty easy |
| 04:48:30 | ricII | not conserdering resume here.. |
| 04:48:40 | ricII | no... |
| 04:48:42 | hardeep | ricII: hmmm, resume, ick |
| 04:49:12 | ricII | just thinking outloud.. |
| 04:50:31 | ricII | besides of my 'condensed format' the code start to look pretty clean (a least I think) |
| 04:51:19 | hardeep | ricII: cool |
| 04:52:30 | ricII | but I have to deliver code end this month, and I'm stealing time for rockbox... |
| 04:53:00 | hardeep | ricII: blah, rockbox is more important than work!! =) |
| 04:53:14 | ricII | so feel free to do stuff with it.. |
| 04:53:45 | ricII | i feel it has potential.. |
| 04:54:13 | hardeep | ricII: if you think you're going to be swamped at work... maybe post it to the mailing list... |
| 04:54:32 | hardeep | ricII: it definitely has potential :) |
| 04:54:39 | elinenbe | ricII: I couldn't agree more! |
| 04:54:48 | ricII | resume is replay patches until current song.. |
| 04:55:41 | hardeep | ricII: btw, what are all the options we're going to have now? queue/insert track/playlist after current song, queue/insert track/playlist at end of playlist |
| 04:55:53 | ricII | delete.. |
| 04:56:03 | hardeep | ricII: delete track/playlist |
| 04:56:12 | hardeep | ricII: hmmmm, anything else? |
| 04:56:19 | ricII | save ... |
| 04:56:24 | hardeep | ricII: ah right |
| 04:56:35 | hardeep | just thinking of the UI hehe |
| 04:56:57 | ricII | it troubles me on the player :) |
| 04:57:55 | hardeep | ricII: i guess we should decide on the most common requests and make them hot keys... everything else menu driven? |
| 04:58:05 | ricII | I just want to provide hooks which can be implement in tree.c later.. |
| 04:59:06 | ricII | thinking of 2 'play' key which can be configured in general settings orso.. |
| 04:59:28 | hardeep | that makes sense |
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| 05:00:32 | ricII | ofcourse on the rec we have some kind of shift... |
| 05:01:54 | hardeep | ah well, will be very cool once it's done. |
| 05:01:55 | ricII | standard binding would be like, queue/add recursive.. |
| 05:03:15 | ricII | but thinking out the gui, needs a lot more attention... |
| 05:03:43 | hardeep | yep |
| 05:03:58 | hardeep | time to get some food |
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| 05:04:45 | ricII | time to sleep, otherwise I won't be able todo anything on work... |
| 05:07:59 | EGM92 | Hey one question where the hell are all you guys from? Europe? |
| 05:08:21 | elinenbe | New York, USA |
| 05:09:31 | EGM92 | lol ok, but what about everyone else? |
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| 09:04:10 | Bagder | morning |
| 09:04:15 | langhaarrocker | yawn. |
| 09:04:39 | langhaarrocker | just another ten minutes, please. |
| 09:04:54 | dwihno | No way! :-) |
| 09:04:55 | Bagder | ok, I give you five ;-) |
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| 09:05:32 | langhaarrocker | That was no 5 minutes!! |
| 09:05:41 | Bagder | 5 reaaaaaly fast ones |
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| 09:07:53 | dwihno | HAHA! :-D |
| 09:08:34 | langhaarrocker | Watch out! I've still have got the wet blanket! |
| 09:09:49 | dwihno | Oh no! :-O |
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| 09:17:28 | langhaarrocker | :( coffe below low water mark! |
| 09:20:52 | dwihno | Haha |
| 09:20:54 | dwihno | you're funn |
| 09:20:54 | dwihno | y |
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| 09:43:10 | Bagder | morning mats |
| 09:43:22 | matsl | morning |
| 09:43:51 | Bagder | weirdly, I can use the sf cvs from two machines on Contactor, but from home it works fine |
| 09:43:55 | Bagder | can't |
| 09:44:20 | matsl | ssh hangs. |
| 09:44:34 | Bagder | cvs [update aborted]: connect to cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.207):2401 failed: Connection refused |
| 09:45:01 | matsl | ok. not the same problem as we saw yesterday. |
| 09:45:26 | Bagder | this is also why there's no CVS activity on the site and no changes in the daily build of today |
| 09:45:42 | matsl | Aha. So it must be solved then! |
| 09:46:02 | Bagder | yeah, we want this solved |
| 09:46:50 | matsl | Strange. I haven't got a clue what it can be. |
| 09:47:50 | matsl | The problem we saw yesterday was that ssh never terminated (i think) which made cvs to hang efter the operation. |
| 09:50:14 | Bagder | I'll investigate |
| 09:52:11 | matsl | Bagder: I just did an update from linux3. Worked as a sharm. |
| 09:52:54 | Bagder | weirdo |
| 09:53:28 | matsl | Bagder: You'll investigate further. I have some things to do at home before I can concentrate on rockbox ;-) |
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| 09:58:35 | langhaarrocker | Is there some kind of software that can store info into the id3 tags from cddb? Maybe guessing which cd was ripped by investigating the song lengths? |
| 09:58:54 | Bagder | there are |
| 09:59:03 | Bagder | but I know no names |
| 09:59:08 | langhaarrocker | :( |
| 09:59:32 | Bagder | mainly because I've heard people tell me about their windows progs, and I don't care much about names then |
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| 10:00:14 | langhaarrocker | Always those linux freaks! :) |
| 10:00:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 10:01:12 | PsycoXul | i know you can get the cddb id from the mp3's |
| 10:01:26 | PsycoXul | cause it's only calculated by the # of tracks and their lengths like you said |
| 10:01:49 | PsycoXul | as for windows software that'll do it.. no clue |
| 10:01:58 | PsycoXul | i think abcde could probably do it |
| 10:02:21 | PsycoXul | but it's a perl script that depends on several commandline utils |
| 10:02:28 | PsycoXul | or no |
| 10:02:33 | PsycoXul | it's a bash script actualy |
| 10:02:34 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 10:02:44 | langhaarrocker | I have cygwin :) |
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| 10:03:05 | PsycoXul | it's so unnecessarily convoluted, i was thinking it was perl :p |
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| 10:08:36 | Bagder | ah |
| 10:08:44 | Bagder | anonymous updates don't work |
| 10:08:50 | Bagder | normal ssh-based ones do |
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| 10:18:57 | Zagor | hehe, kpit (makers of GNUSH) has been working with Rockbox |
| 10:19:05 | Zagor | "We are pleased to inform you that our latest version has fixed the bug which |
| 10:19:05 | Zagor | caused problems when compiling Rockbox!" |
| 10:19:21 | * | Bagder smiles |
| 10:32:38 | dwihno | :-) Haha |
| 10:33:32 | Bagder | "pserver-based access and ViewCVS currently offline" |
| 10:33:39 | Zagor | boo |
| 10:33:46 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:33:50 | Zagor | btw, do you like the new viewcvs blimp on the web page? |
| 10:33:56 | Zagor | i think it's cute |
| 10:34:16 | Bagder | it looks nice, but the amount of graphics on the left starts looking like a xmas tree ;-) |
| 10:34:23 | Zagor | hehe, yeah |
| 10:34:49 | dwihno | ROCKBOX ROCKS THE BOX! :) |
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| 12:45:34 | Zagor | mbrgll... "waiting for inoficio's lock in /cvsroot/rockbox/apps/recorder" |
| 12:46:06 | Zagor | for 5 minutes now |
| 12:46:25 | s0be | hmmmm, is it hard to build the cross compiler? |
| 12:46:29 | Bagder | the beauty of cvs |
| 12:46:31 | s0be | I'mm feeling zesty |
| 12:46:36 | Bagder | s0be: nope, its very easy |
| 12:46:45 | s0be | does it work with 3.2.1? |
| 12:46:52 | Bagder | dunno |
| 12:47:16 | Bagder | try! |
| 12:47:19 | s0be | I'll be the test case. Is there a walkthrough on their site? |
| 12:47:25 | Bagder | yes.. hang on |
| 12:47:37 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/cross-gcc.html |
| 12:47:51 | s0be | already there... had the site bookmarked |
| 12:48:12 | s0be | :D |
| 12:48:19 | s0be | ok, I'll see if 3.2.1 will build rockbox |
| 12:50:44 | Zagor | can someone reach out and grab inoficio by something tender? |
| 12:50:44 | Zagor | I have code to commit, dammit |
| 12:54:57 | s0be | is it worth throwing in the GDB support? |
| 12:55:11 | s0be | do _I_ need to be able to compile with debugging? |
| 12:55:45 | Bagder | no, no need for that |
| 12:55:50 | dwihno | You need to do a hardware mod anyhow to get that |
| 12:56:08 | s0be | well, I'll note that for the future then |
| 12:56:36 | Zagor | 15 minutes... |
| 12:56:48 | dwihno | Until ... ? |
| 12:57:31 | s0be | more like since... |
| 12:57:53 | dwihno | ah |
| 12:58:02 | s0be | Zagor: doens't have submit cvs permission right now |
| 12:58:26 | dwihno | Anyone here good at mA, voltages and such? |
| 12:58:41 | s0be | depends on what you're working with |
| 12:58:50 | s0be | DC and op amps type stuff I'm fine |
| 12:58:54 | s0be | AC I'm not so good with |
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| 13:00:29 | dwihno | okay |
| 13:00:41 | dwihno | The thing I was curious about was the thread in the list regarding car adapters |
| 13:00:55 | dwihno | converting 12v to 9v (1000mA) |
| 13:00:57 | s0be | oh, I don't follow the list |
| 13:01:10 | dwihno | and the 1000mA, what's that really? is it what is produced or the max load? |
| 13:01:13 | * | dwihno sucks at this |
| 13:01:36 | s0be | 1000mA is 1A is just the amount of current (or load) that the circuit would draw |
| 13:01:59 | s0be | you'd prolly want a voltage regulator desigfned to provide 1.5A at 9v |
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| 13:04:33 | dwihno | erhm |
| 13:04:48 | dwihno | that means, the device attached will get 1A? |
| 13:04:53 | s0be | wants 1A |
| 13:05:01 | s0be | is designed to disipate/use 1A |
| 13:05:44 | s0be | means that at 9 volts the circuit has an impedence of 9ohms |
| 13:06:16 | dwihno | So that would be too much since the archos wants 600mA? |
| 13:06:40 | s0be | is there a link to the thread so I can read what they mean? |
| 13:07:35 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/0587.shtml |
| 13:07:40 | s0be | because, in general, a device will only pull as much as it wants. If a supply CAN supply 1A and it's hooked up to a device that only take 500mA, 500mA will be disipated as heat |
| 13:07:40 | Bagder | I guess |
| 13:08:35 | dwihno | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/0587.shtml |
| 13:09:08 | s0be | AHHHH |
| 13:09:25 | s0be | are you the one asking that question or just curious on the topic? |
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| 13:11:51 | Bagder | bbl |
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| 13:15:52 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 13:16:07 | quelsaruk | elinenbe: how is the gameboy emulator going? :) |
| 13:16:39 | quelsaruk | i'm like a little child that wants a toy |
| 13:18:59 | dwihno | s0be: I'm just analphabetic on the entire voltage stuff :-) I was curious |
| 13:19:41 | s0be | ok, you know V = I * R right? |
| 13:21:43 | s0be | R and V are generally set for a device. Most of the active components in the device require a certain voltage, and everything has a set resistance. Due to that equation, the circuit will draw a certain current |
| 13:23:10 | s0be | Using another equation P = I^2 * R, you can figure out the power a circuit will need to dissipate. You can also use the first equation I stated to solve that for I^2/R, which form is useful depends on what you have |
| 13:26:36 | dwihno | Oka |
| 13:26:37 | dwihno | y |
| 13:26:46 | s0be | that help at all? |
| 13:26:49 | dwihno | a bit |
| 13:27:07 | s0be | good good |
| 13:29:41 | s0be | when building a cross compiler, is it fine to end on an error about the C compiler being unable to build executables? |
| 13:30:19 | Schnueff | end building the cross compiler with that error? |
| 13:30:31 | s0be | error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 13:31:16 | Schnueff | i mean, building the cross compiler worx fine, but compiling the programme with it doesnt? |
| 13:31:42 | Schnueff | 'the programme' = some programme |
| 13:31:44 | s0be | well, that was after I did make |
| 13:32:09 | s0be | trying to build the cross compiler |
| 13:32:09 | Schnueff | uh never mind |
| 13:32:14 | Schnueff | ok that sounds bad |
| 13:32:39 | s0be | oh well, I was buing a guinea pig... I was attempting to build a gcc 3.2.1 sh1 compiler |
| 13:34:29 | s0be | (also, binutils 2.13 or whatever the latest is |
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| 13:43:11 | quelsaruk | umm |
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| 13:44:03 | quelsaruk | can anyone get current cvs?? i can't and want to know if it's just me or everyone |
| 13:44:35 | s0be | Zagor was talknig bout that erlier |
| 13:44:54 | s0be | <Zagor> mbrgll... "waiting for inoficio's lock in /cvsroot/rockbox/apps/recorder" |
| 13:45:16 | s0be | although I can't get into cvs.sourceforge.net right now |
| 13:47:24 | matsl | Zagor: I (we) got a plan for rockbox-mode.el. |
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| 13:49:01 | Zagor | matsl: good |
| 13:49:29 | matsl | Zagor: Wanna know here or should I drop a mail to the list? |
| 13:49:42 | Zagor | mail the list. i'm kind of busy right now. |
| 13:49:55 | matsl | ok |
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| 14:19:24 | matsl | Zagor, Hadaka, Schnueff: rockbox-mode.el suggestion is in the mail. Must go. bbl, cu |
| 14:19:34 | quelsaruk | bye matsl |
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| 14:35:36 | Zagor | is anyone else having their volume meter stuck on "numeric" no matter the setting? |
| 14:35:52 | quelsaruk | ummm |
| 14:35:54 | quelsaruk | not me |
| 14:36:04 | quelsaruk | lunch time |
| 14:36:06 | quelsaruk | cu! |
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| 14:37:50 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: yes |
| 14:38:02 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: erm: no |
| 14:39:21 | langhaarrocker | I can switch graphic <-> numeric display as usual |
| 14:41:00 | Zagor | I even reset the settings. still numeric. very strange. |
| 14:41:29 | Zagor | there's an annoying delay when exiting settings now :-( |
| 14:41:53 | langhaarrocker | I just hope we both are talking about the recorder? |
| 14:42:05 | Zagor | wtf! sleep(HZ/2); i told him not to do that |
| 14:42:23 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:42:33 | Zagor | player can't show volume numerically, afaik :) |
| 14:43:14 | langhaarrocker | concerning sleep: dwihno is good at making things wake up... :) |
| 14:48:39 | Zagor | ahhh! "Per your request, the stale lock has been removed from your project CVS repository." |
| 14:52:42 | elinenbe | what is a stale lock? |
| 14:52:51 | elinenbe | I HATE STALE LOCKS! |
| 14:53:05 | Zagor | :-) |
| 14:53:22 | elinenbe | while you are making stuff use system fonts. |
| 14:53:28 | elinenbe | make the recording screen use system fonts. |
| 14:53:34 | elinenbe | with large fonts it looks no good |
| 14:53:48 | Zagor | ok |
| 14:54:25 | elinenbe | also, can you make the navigation wrap around using the keyboard. |
| 14:54:40 | elinenbe | Zagor: for some reason "u" on my keyboard is a "y" |
| 14:55:34 | Zagor | mine too. strange :-) |
| 14:55:39 | Zagor | (fixing) |
| 14:57:09 | elinenbe | the top row in the keyboard reads "A B C D E F G H" and it should read "E L I N E N B E" |
| 14:57:17 | Zagor | hehe |
| 14:58:22 | Zagor | wrap works for me |
| 14:58:38 | elinenbe | okay... I just forgot if it was in there. |
| 14:58:44 | Zagor | haha |
| 14:58:49 | elinenbe | is the keyboard even used for anything currently? |
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| 14:59:04 | Zagor | i'm adding rename |
| 14:59:20 | elinenbe | Zagor: what is the interface to that? |
| 14:59:31 | elinenbe | I think F3 could be great for "file management" |
| 14:59:40 | elinenbe | f3 up = file rename |
| 14:59:41 | Zagor | ON+PLAY for a file management quickscreen |
| 14:59:48 | elinenbe | oh −− ok |
| 14:59:51 | elinenbe | that is good too! |
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| 15:01:06 | Zagor | queue is moved to that screen too |
| 15:01:29 | lhrocker | I just wished I had more time at hand to complete the key binding stuff... |
| 15:02:05 | elinenbe | is queue necessairly "file managament"? |
| 15:02:25 | Zagor | call it "file actions" the |
| 15:02:26 | Zagor | n |
| 15:05:58 | dwihno | "File ninja stuff"!!! |
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| 15:06:41 | * | dwihno can't see any CVS updates! :~( |
| 15:07:32 | elinenbe | I think F1 should be a quick menu too. |
| 15:07:38 | elinenbe | the mute is well hidden |
| 15:09:19 | Zagor | so how we enter the menu? |
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| 15:10:03 | elinenbe | like how we enter the F2 menu |
| 15:10:06 | elinenbe | or the F3 menu |
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| 15:11:33 | Zagor | we have no f2 f3 menu. those are screens. |
| 15:11:42 | Zagor | how can we have both screen and menu on f1? |
| 15:11:57 | elinenbe | nooo... I mean make F1 a screen like F2 or F3 |
| 15:12:03 | Zagor | i know |
| 15:12:05 | elinenbe | not a menu |
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| 15:12:11 | Zagor | WELL WE HAVE A MENU |
| 15:12:20 | Zagor | which we enter with f1 today |
| 15:12:33 | Zagor | make f1 a screen and we can't enter the menu |
| 15:12:40 | Zagor | (sorry for screaming :) |
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| 15:13:58 | elinenbe | press F1 for menu (as it is today) |
| 15:14:18 | elinenbe | and hold for quickscreen (as it is works for mute and keylock) |
| 15:14:45 | Zagor | ok. yes that would work. |
| 15:15:00 | elinenbe | I think a quick press is better for quickscreens |
| 15:15:06 | elinenbe | and a hold is better for menu |
| 15:15:15 | elinenbe | but of course this will change the behavior everyone is used to. |
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| 15:23:19 | elinenbe | hi langhaarrocker |
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| 15:57:40 | elinenbe | oooh! DELETE! |
| 15:57:42 | elinenbe | woo! |
| 15:57:44 | elinenbe | HOO! |
| 15:58:29 | Zagor | :-) |
| 15:58:53 | elinenbe | Zagor: can you delete a directory? |
| 15:59:15 | elinenbe | Zagor: what about a "move" −− how hard would that be to implement? |
| 15:59:45 | Zagor | uh, i think maybe you can. but the files in it won't be freed, so it's not a good idea :-) |
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| 16:00:01 | Zagor | move is not so very hard. i just have to sit down and do it. |
| 16:01:52 | dwihno | Delete? How cool |
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| 16:14:06 | Zagor | matsl: can you try my latest changes and see if they are ok on the player? i've only tested in the simulator. |
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| 16:27:07 | dwihno | Zagor: How much of a performace killer would a reverse display be? |
| 16:27:33 | Schnueff | whole thing reversed is cheap |
| 16:27:43 | Schnueff | record lcd supports this by hardware |
| 16:28:23 | dwihno | How about just marking the current "selection" in the file browser?? |
| 16:28:38 | Schnueff | hm dunno, but once it was too slow |
| 16:29:01 | Schnueff | (iirc especially when scrolling for a long distance) |
| 16:29:06 | Schnueff | scrolling down in dir |
| 16:29:44 | dwihno | that could be arranged with some keyboard/screen timeout thing |
| 16:30:28 | Schnueff | jump scroll would be neat in such cases |
| 16:30:59 | Schnueff | (like the setting in xterm) |
| 16:31:03 | dwihno | There can't be such a huge performance difference. |
| 16:31:23 | Schnueff | tremendous! |
| 16:31:24 | Schnueff | :) |
| 16:32:12 | matsl | Zagor: l8ter. I have the player @ home. What changes should I look for? |
| 16:32:50 | dwihno | Schnueff: No way :-) It will be neato! |
| 16:32:59 | dwihno | And we will save several pixels from the cursor too! |
| 16:33:07 | Schnueff | i'm looking forward to your benchmarks :) |
| 16:33:37 | dwihno | I'll optimize the routines bigtime! |
| 16:34:03 | Zagor | matsl: I've added ON+PLAY in the browser, for queueing, deleting and renaming. |
| 16:34:17 | matsl | ok! |
| 16:35:46 | matsl | Zagor: One of my playlists was suddenly filled with only zeroes. Are there any reports of this type of error? |
| 16:36:03 | matsl | zeroes=nulls!? |
| 16:36:54 | Zagor | uh? never heard of that, no |
| 16:37:00 | Zagor | on disk? |
| 16:37:22 | elinenbe | Zagor: in the rename function. I think there should be a way to move back and forth. |
| 16:37:50 | elinenbe | currently if I have a file that is 40 characters long, to get rid of the leading "00 - " |
| 16:38:05 | elinenbe | I have to erase the entire filename, and then rewrite the entire thing! |
| 16:38:09 | Zagor | elinenbe: me too. unfortunately, i couldn't find any buttons for it in the gui :-( |
| 16:38:22 | matsl | Zagor: jupp! Suddenly I wasn't able to use the playlist. I looked at it in emacs. Only nulls. |
| 16:38:29 | Zagor | matsl: very strange |
| 16:38:50 | elinenbe | also, when you queue songs now, it doe snot tell you how many are in the queue |
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| 16:38:59 | ricII | I have to check the new gui structure, thinking off features like recusive queue, insert & delete from playlist |
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| 16:39:22 | elinenbe | ircII: recursive queue and playing is an incredible option. |
| 16:39:42 | matsl | Zagor: It could be when testing the queueing. It writes the queued songs to disk or something. |
| 16:40:41 | Zagor | yes. but it shouldn't bust your playlist :-) |
| 16:41:06 | dwihno | Note to self: Don't test the newest builds ;-) |
| 16:41:25 | elinenbe | Zagor: can you have the filename scroll in the delete file screen? |
| 16:41:30 | ricII | no.. it only writes /.rockbox/.queuefile |
| 16:42:09 | matsl | Zagor: I'll try the queueing a lot more to see if I can get the error again. |
| 16:42:13 | elinenbe | Zagor: I have figured out a way to move the cursor left/right |
| 16:42:25 | elinenbe | Zagor: off should be cancel as it is in all menus |
| 16:43:06 | elinenbe | Zagor: and the middle button (F2) should switch from move mode to write mode (or you hold down F2 and left/right) to move the cursot |
| 16:44:02 | Zagor | elinenbe: off is cancel. i doubled it on f2 so it would be visible for users. (cancel is a pretty important button). maybe that's not necessary. |
| 16:44:29 | elinenbe | I think it is understood that off is cancel, as it is cancel everywhere in Rockbox. |
| 16:44:46 | Zagor | fine by me. i think I can remember :-) |
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| 16:46:20 | ricII | isn't also stop |
| 16:46:33 | elinenbe | Zagor: otherwise it looks really nice. (except that it also allows you to delete folders) |
| 16:46:59 | Zagor | ricII: stop is cancel on player, yes |
| 16:47:21 | Zagor | uh, no it's not :-) |
| 16:47:52 | ricII | ehh /-) |
| 16:48:04 | Zagor | stop is del on player |
| 16:48:26 | ricII | ok sounds logic. |
| 16:48:38 | ricII | del is a more powerfull stop... |
| 16:49:25 | Zagor | bagder had the idea of using "magic chars" in the pages for Done, Cancel and Backspace instead of using buttons. |
| 16:50:30 | elinenbe | I like my idea better. |
| 16:50:38 | elinenbe | but that would work too... as long as there is something. |
| 16:50:53 | Zagor | one problem is that player has no cancel today :-) |
| 16:51:21 | elinenbe | rockbox should stop supporting the player :) |
| 16:52:01 | Zagor | hehe. I fear the wrath of matsl :) |
| 16:52:34 | * | dwihno wants inverted selection! :) |
| 16:52:35 | dwihno | Gimme |
| 16:52:36 | s0be | would it be possible to convert the line in to a serial port and make a keyboard work through it? |
| 16:52:38 | dwihno | :-) |
| 16:52:51 | Zagor | s0be: yes. we use it for remote gdb already |
| 16:52:58 | matsl | elinenbe: What's the matter? ;-) |
| 16:53:05 | Zagor | s0be: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/serialport.html |
| 16:53:27 | s0be | I knew that much, but how would you implement it in the rom? would it be hard to add code for it in there? |
| 16:53:38 | Zagor | s0be: not really |
| 16:53:49 | matsl | Zagor: I haven't followed closely but stop is cancel in the menues. Could be frustrating to find that stop deletes when you wanted to cancel the thing. Not what you expected. |
| 16:54:05 | s0be | Zagor: I've seen the remote mod and stuff like that. IN a few weeks I plan on doing the 8meg mod and adding a larger HD |
| 16:54:20 | ricII | cvs down ? |
| 16:54:44 | Zagor | ricII: yes, anonymous cvs is down. :-( sourceforge is working on it. |
| 16:54:45 | s0be | cvs on sourceforge is down to non ssh access right now |
| 16:55:00 | elinenbe | cvs works with ssh ere. |
| 16:55:20 | Zagor | matsl: i know. but there are no more keys on the player... |
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| 16:56:06 | Nibbler | ello |
| 16:56:11 | matsl | Zagor: be imaginative |
| 16:56:16 | Zagor | :-) |
| 16:56:55 | Zagor | actually we could use more combo keys. the current keyboard uses no combos. |
| 16:57:10 | matsl | Zagor: If you could brief me on the problem, kjer and I could take a players view on it. |
| 16:57:35 | Nibbler | ohm... st00pid newbies question, but im confused by some words on your homepage: does rockbox play mp3s with variable bitrate? |
| 16:57:48 | matsl | jupp |
| 16:57:53 | Nibbler | :] |
| 16:57:57 | * | Nibbler goes and buys |
| 16:57:57 | Zagor | matsl: well just try to rename a file. |
| 16:58:23 | Zagor | matsl: you'll see how the keyboard works. MENU is the shift key. ON is for Done. |
| 16:58:46 | Zagor | matsl: propose ways to make it better |
| 16:59:02 | matsl | ok. I'll look at it before I'll chop it to pieces ;-) |
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| 17:01:45 | dwihno | matsl: make a backup of the file, just in case ;) |
| 17:03:33 | matsl | dwihno: I'll rely on cvs for backup ;-) |
| 17:04:25 | elinenbe | why has development on the ipod been so stagnent? |
| 17:04:34 | elinenbe | I would have thought someone would have hacked it by now. |
| 17:04:51 | elinenbe | the ipod has something like 30% of the mp3 player market here in the States |
| 17:07:01 | ricII | got my pub-key on sourceforge, but that probly wont be anough |
| 17:07:07 | dwihno | matsl: Use CVS for your playlists ;) ? |
| 17:08:00 | matsl | dwihno: ;) |
| 17:08:11 | dwihno | :-) |
| 17:08:22 | * | dwihno wants inverted display <−−−−−−−−−−−− this −−−−−−−−-> much |
| 17:08:34 | * | dwihno wants inverted display <−−−−−−−−−−−− this −−−−−−−−-> much |
| 17:08:47 | dwihno | grmbl |
| 17:09:26 | Zagor | elinenbe: half of them are apple owners, and apple owners are *always* happy. every apple product is perfect and needs no enhancements. |
| 17:10:16 | dwihno | apples are bad. they fill the hard disk with stupid dirs! |
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| 17:10:40 | dwihno | "Please wait while 'rebuilding the desktop' −−- " ? |
| 17:11:20 | dwihno | It should say "Please wait while creating stupid subdirs in every directory"! |
| 17:12:30 | elinenbe | dwihno: as soon as I see that I realize I have turned on the wrong computer and I shut it off. |
| 17:13:08 | dwihno | elinenbe: you have a mac? |
| 17:20:29 | matsl | Zagor: Player simulator doesn't compile. BUTTON_OFF isn't defined. |
| 17:20:39 | Zagor | oops |
| 17:23:03 | Zagor | fixaed |
| 17:25:11 | Zagor | gotta go |
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| 18:19:36 | matsl | time to go. cu |
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| 18:23:54 | hardeep | morning all |
| 18:26:12 | mecraw | morning |
| 18:33:43 | mecraw | can you access cvs? |
| 18:33:56 | hardeep | mecraw: nope, appears to be down |
| 18:34:28 | mecraw | ok, i was worried my company shut down the port again |
| 18:39:41 | hardeep | bizarre, only anonymous cvs is down |
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| 19:56:50 | gumboots | I've been trying to record using the daily builds. Should it be working from the digital input? |
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| 21:23:58 | ludo | Hello. I have a JBRFM and I want to start hacking it, to add support for rockbox. |
| 21:25:06 | ludo | I have a newbie question : once I have copied a new firmware on the disk (by USB), and after the JBRFM has successfully booted it, how can I go back to the original firmware (without disassembling the disk) ? |
| 21:25:34 | mecraw | delete the firmware file |
| 21:26:26 | ludo | And, to delete the firmware file, I think I need to boot back to the old (ROM) firmware, if my pseudo-firmware doesn't take care of the USB connection. Or am I wrong ? |
| 21:26:27 | mecraw | it will boot from the firmware in ROM if there is no firmware file in the root directory |
| 21:27:59 | mecraw | you should be able to use USB by turning the unit on with the USB already attached to a computer |
| 21:28:52 | ludo | Ok, you mean that the USB will be served by the original firmware then ? That's great, thank you, Lee. I was afraid to start hacking without any way back... |
| 21:29:30 | mecraw | Yep, good luck. |
| 21:30:39 | ludo | Thanks. By the way, does anybody know of anyone already working on the JBR FM device ? I'll probably start working on it, but I don't want to duplicate any existing work.... From the FAQ / archive, it seems that no one has started though. |
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| 21:55:08 | Hes | ludo: check the mail archives, rockbox has already once booted on the FM |
| 21:55:43 | Hes | didn't work very much, needs work on display & battery handling to start with |
| 21:56:17 | Hes | but it booted anyway, the firmware file encoding format is known enough to produce bootable rockbox images |
| 21:57:56 | ludo | Hes: Oah, great, I haven't found this info in the ml yet. Any idea of the date ? I'll do my homework and find it then. |
| 21:57:58 | ludo | Yes, I've just disassembled the firmware this afternoon, and it seems very, very close to what's on the website concerning the other models. Cool ! |
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| 22:00:29 | Hes | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-12/0586.shtml |
| 22:00:31 | Hes | start from there |
| 22:00:40 | Hes | he got someone to test the image |
| 22:01:27 | _WWu_ | hey guys... have a question... can anyone tell me a compatible charger for the jb6k? or do i only have to get it from archos.com? |
| 22:01:37 | ludo | Great ! Thank You, Heikki ! |
| 22:01:41 | Hes | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-12/0610.shtml |
| 22:02:16 | Hes | _WWu_: I wrote some documentation on that in the power FAQ at rockbox.haxx.se. |
| 22:02:37 | Hes | documentation, Frequently Asked Questions about Batteries and Charging |
| 22:03:47 | _WWu_ | cool... reading it now |
| 22:08:49 | * | _WWu_ is away - Automatically set away. - messages will be saved. |
| 22:10:19 | _WWu_ | Hes: Very useful FAQ! Thanks... |
| 22:12:54 | _WWu_ | Hes: do you know the size of the "plug" for the DC-IN? is it a standard size? |
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| 22:26:40 | jony | hi |
| 22:27:12 | jony | whould thes: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat users,rwx 0 0 |
| 22:27:38 | jony | be a valid entry for fstab to get full acces to all users |
| 22:27:40 | jony | ? |
| 22:35:41 | jony | anyone? |
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| 22:54:03 | Hes | _WWu_: it's a standard size, 2.5mm or something like that |
| 22:54:17 | Hes | um, not 2.5mm. probably something else. |
| 22:54:29 | Hes | take your device with you to the store. |
| 22:57:32 | _WWu_ | ok, will do |
| 22:57:47 | _WWu_ | thanks Hes |
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| 23:04:28 | elinenbe | Zagor!!! |
| 23:04:38 | Zagor | hi elinenbe |
| 23:04:50 | elinenbe | Zagor: is there anyway to ahut off interrupts? |
| 23:04:57 | elinenbe | s/ahut/shut |
| 23:05:10 | Zagor | no |
| 23:05:17 | Zagor | why do you want to? |
| 23:05:39 | elinenbe | I am working on grayscale, but there is quite a bit of flicker on the middle shades |
| 23:05:59 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:06:30 | elinenbe | I used to program the ti-85 about 7 years ago, and if you shut off the interrupts, you would get much nicer grayscale. |
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| 23:07:40 | hardeep | Zagor: any reason you removed the queue info display after a song is queued? |
| 23:08:01 | elinenbe | Zagor: I liked seeing that too! |
| 23:08:42 | PsycoXul | i made my screen go funky (on my player) once and all/most of it filled in, but there were patterns that filled in darker than the rest... just thought that was kinda weird |
| 23:11:17 | Zagor | hardeep: i didn't think it was necessary since now you explicitly press a button labeled "Queue" |
| 23:12:10 | hardeep | Zagor: true enough... it was more the number queued i liked seeing |
| 23:12:27 | hardeep | Zagor: but i guess we will have to add a queue browser anyways.... just show the info in that |
| 23:13:15 | Zagor | ah. yes, i'm not a big fan of delays in general. after the first time, info screens with delay are usually more annoying than helpful |
| 23:13:55 | Zagor | elinenbe: the trouble with shutting off interrupts is that much functionality goes too. such as button detection. |
| 23:15:02 | Zagor | but you can test it by simply not calling kernel_init() in main.c |
| 23:16:14 | elinenbe | Zagor: thanks. |
| 23:17:16 | hardeep | interesting... bug 668524 is valid and resume is broken... |
| 23:17:24 | Zagor | it is? |
| 23:17:32 | hardeep | probably something i added. :) i'll take a look |
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| 23:22:14 | elinenbe | I have a good bug report: |
| 23:22:20 | elinenbe | stop a song |
| 23:22:26 | elinenbe | so now you are just in the browser |
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| 23:22:51 | elinenbe | then select a .ajz file to load. |
| 23:22:56 | elinenbe | now you get a resume. |
| 23:23:11 | elinenbe | shouldn't the resume point be erased when you hit stop on a song? |
| 23:23:31 | hardeep | elinenbe: yeah |
| 23:24:18 | Zagor | no, I removed that a while back |
| 23:24:22 | elinenbe | well, that is my bug report for the day |
| 23:24:39 | elinenbe | It sounds like it is Hardeep & elinenbe vs. Zagor |
| 23:24:47 | Zagor | the thinking was that you want resume more often than you don't |
| 23:25:11 | elinenbe | well, it just keeps resuming every time I rolo a new file |
| 23:25:22 | Zagor | yes. rolo is the same as booting. |
| 23:25:33 | Zagor | and resume runs at boot |
| 23:25:49 | elinenbe | but I stopped the song! |
| 23:26:02 | Zagor | yup |
| 23:26:13 | hardeep | elinenbe: i agree that resume should kick in after rolo... but for stopped songs? |
| 23:26:38 | elinenbe | I do not think it should resume after you stop a song. |
| 23:26:43 | hardeep | er, does it also try to resume if you shut off the machine? |
| 23:26:49 | Zagor | elinenbe: do you have resume ask or yes? |
| 23:26:50 | hardeep | w/o rolo? |
| 23:26:53 | Zagor | hardeep: yes |
| 23:26:54 | elinenbe | on yes |
| 23:27:08 | Zagor | elinenbe: that would explain why you find it annoying :-) |
| 23:29:09 | matsl | Zagor: I just tried the rename feature.. I renamed a folder and it was lost :-( |
| 23:29:28 | Zagor | matsl: hmm, bad |
| 23:29:38 | Zagor | i've only tried it with files myself :-) |
| 23:30:05 | elinenbe | lcd_invertrect forces to the nearest 8 −− right? |
| 23:30:14 | matsl | Zagor: The play and stop buttons for inserting and deleteing isn't that bad though. Just need a way to bail out completely. |
| 23:30:38 | Zagor | matsl: MENU+STOP maybe? |
| 23:30:58 | matsl | Zagor: Could due for now. |
| 23:31:01 | Zagor | not exactly intuitive, but we don't have a lot of choices... |
| 23:31:19 | Zagor | elinenbe: does it? i thought it worked for every pixel. |
| 23:31:55 | elinenbe | from the API doc: Update the given rectangle to the LCD. Give arguments measured in |
| 23:31:55 | elinenbe | pixels. Notice that the smallest vertical resolution in updates that the |
| 23:31:55 | elinenbe | hardware supports is even 8 pixels. This function will adjust to those |
| 23:32:06 | Zagor | oki |
| 23:34:32 | matsl | Zagor: when I change case and characters with menu I sometimes get "ng on secto" displayed on the second row. What is that? |
| 23:34:59 | Zagor | uh? good question. |
| 23:36:10 | matsl | Zagor: I saw it now. The whole text is "writing on sector 0". How did that find its way there? |
| 23:36:11 | Zagor | seriously out-of-his depth pointer, i'd say |
| 23:36:53 | Zagor | ah, now I know. |
| 23:37:12 | Zagor | scroll so "V" is to the left of your screen. then press MENU three times. |
| 23:37:41 | hardeep | you forgot the chant! |
| 23:37:53 | Zagor | the fourth mode line is shorter than the others, so you see the next pointer in ram |
| 23:38:04 | Zagor | hardeep: and the goat liver |
| 23:38:30 | Zagor | matsl: fix coming up |
| 23:38:35 | hardeep | blah, right... always forget that one |
| 23:38:47 | Zagor | hardeep: back to enchanter school for you ;) |
| 23:39:57 | matsl | Zagor: How about using two lines for the ren-del menu. It would make translations easier. |
| 23:40:34 | Zagor | matsl: we are using two lines. the top line shows "> Queue" if you are playing music |
| 23:40:48 | matsl | aha ;-) |
| 23:41:15 | Zagor | matsl: can you rename normal files? |
| 23:41:20 | hardeep | aha, one benefit of resume info not clearing after stop.... makes debugging resume bugs easier! just need to rolo to check resume, woo |
| 23:41:52 | Zagor | hardeep: I told you it was better :) |
| 23:41:52 | matsl | Zagor: w8 |
| 23:45:40 | matsl | Zagor: I could change name of one file. |
| 23:46:31 | Zagor | dirs are files too. i wonder why that didn't work |
| 23:47:04 | | Quit edx () |
| 23:47:35 | matsl | Zagor: me to! I'll try another dir. |
| 23:49:37 | matsl | Zagor: Lost that dir to :-( (But it contained only crap!) |
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| 23:49:50 | elinenbe | Zagor: I am getting similar behavior |
| 23:50:28 | matsl | Zagor: The text input should use rocklatin! |
| 23:51:08 | Zagor | matsl: yes. i wrote the keyboard before rocklatin existed. feel free to expand it. |
| 23:51:25 | matsl | Zagor: kjer and I will be happy to do it! |
| 23:51:56 | Zagor | good |
| 23:52:14 | matsl | Zagor: There is no "OK" when changing values. Only "Cancel" when aborting. Is that intentional? |
| 23:52:38 | matsl | Zagor: (I've changed the subject. talking about the menus) |
| 23:52:49 | | Quit _WWu_ ("I'm outta here!") |
| 23:53:00 | Zagor | yes, I removed the OK. it drove me nuts! |
| 23:53:41 | matsl | Zagor: OK. I liked it. |
| 23:53:44 | Zagor | (and yes, I really am an undemocratic bastard ;) |
| 23:54:10 | matsl | Ha. I'll slip it in just before relase! |
| 23:54:15 | Zagor | :) |
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| 23:55:55 | hardeep | anon cvs has been down for quite some time now... must be something major |
| 23:56:22 | TTmatt | hello |
| 23:56:32 | hardeep | hi TTmatt |
| 23:56:34 | matsl | Zagor: The queue thing workes fine. No "acknowledge" display, Queued and total number of queued song. Is that also intentional? |
| 23:56:50 | Zagor | matsl: yes. i removed that too. |
| 23:56:54 | TTmatt | wondered if I could ask you something about the builds with record? |
| 23:57:07 | Zagor | i spend most my time removing what you guys put in. much more simple work. |
| 23:57:15 | Zagor | TTmatt: sure |
| 23:57:20 | matsl | Zagor: Fint. With less text we need less translations! |
| 23:57:34 | Zagor | matsl: true |
| 23:57:48 | TTmatt | thanks... I'm trying to record from the digital input. Is that implemented yet? |
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| 23:58:02 | Zagor | hardeep: yes, there is a posting on sourceforge about it. they are having stability problems, apparently. |
| 23:58:10 | Zagor | TTmatt: yes it is |
| 23:58:26 | TTmatt | I can't seem to get it to work :( |
| 23:58:32 | matsl | Zagor: I guess some playlist browsing feature in the future will solve all out problems with what will be played next etc. |
| 23:58:48 | Zagor | matsl: yes |
| 23:58:51 | Zagor | TTmatt: what happens? |
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