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| 08:52:50 | Bagder | morning |
| 08:54:42 | matsl | hi ho! |
| 08:55:16 | Bagder | no cvs yet I see |
| 08:55:51 | matsl | apparently not |
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| 08:57:23 | dwihno | No CVS :~( |
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| 09:51:54 | Bagder | "Accord. to posts on the IPOD forum at Yahoo, the Li-Ion cell cannot be replaced" |
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| 09:52:43 | Bagder | morning Z |
| 09:52:51 | | Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) |
| 09:52:51 | Zagor | hi |
| 09:53:11 | Bagder | zodd: if you update the rockbox site (head.t updated) the blimp image is fixed |
| 09:53:20 | Bagder | zodd ? Zagor I meant ;-) |
| 09:53:34 | Zagor | wow, I got a spam which actually tells me where they harvested my address! |
| 09:53:41 | Bagder | wow |
| 09:53:41 | Zagor | Bagder: :) |
| 09:53:50 | Bagder | and where did they get it? |
| 09:53:53 | Zagor | "Own your Hong Kong Fax Line" |
| 09:53:56 | Zagor | advogato |
| 09:54:00 | Bagder | ugh |
| 09:54:25 | Bagder | yeah advogato users are more likely to want hong kong fax lines ;-) |
| 09:54:32 | matsl | Zagor: One problem with MENU-OFF as cancel in rename. I'll wind up in the menu system and not in the dir browser. What can be done? |
| 09:54:33 | Zagor | hehe |
| 09:54:54 | Zagor | matsl: i'll take a look |
| 09:55:11 | Bagder | isn't that because of a left-over key-release event? |
| 09:55:19 | Bagder | or something like that |
| 09:55:29 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:55:29 | matsl | probably. still very annoying |
| 09:55:58 | Zagor | I don't see how it can happen. you should only get left-over MENU|RELEASED. the menu triggers on MENU only |
| 09:55:58 | Bagder | right, but you can wait for the release before you bail out |
| 09:56:24 | Bagder | uh |
| 09:56:44 | Bagder | well, he can release the off *before* the menu |
| 09:56:58 | Bagder | won't that give a menu-only release then? |
| 09:59:55 | * | matsl is away: I'm busy |
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| 10:02:23 | Bagder | "Admin of www.FunMP3Players.com" is a rockbox user too ;-) |
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| 10:06:03 | quelsaruk | good morning |
| 10:06:15 | Bagder | morning |
| 10:06:54 | Schnueff | moin |
| 10:10:48 | Zagor | Bagder: yes, but menu_release is harmless. it's menu_press that activates the menu. |
| 10:10:57 | Bagder | ah, ok |
| 10:10:59 | Zagor | i don't see how that event is generated |
| 10:13:31 | quelsaruk | if you queue a song, but continue pressing the "play" button, you get that file queued some more times, i think that if you have a file queued and want to repeat it, just select the repeat one function. So the Queue should ignore the play button if that files is the last in the queue, or not? |
| 10:14:34 | Bagder | the queue-a-file function is moved to another key soonish anyway |
| 10:14:57 | Zagor | it |
| 10:15:06 | quelsaruk | ok |
| 10:15:10 | Zagor | 's already moved. just the daily build aren't working |
| 10:15:15 | Bagder | ah, right |
| 10:15:49 | quelsaruk | was just a thought... today i kept the play button pressed and had the same file queued 4 times |
| 10:22:59 | Zagor | how do I convert a hex string to a number in perl? |
| 10:23:59 | Bagder | print hex '0xAf'; # prints '175' |
| 10:24:06 | Zagor | ah |
| 10:24:31 | Zagor | silly. i read that same page, but interpreted it as the opposite :-) |
| 10:25:19 | Bagder | hehe |
| 10:25:28 | Bagder | get a cup of coffee! |
| 10:25:41 | Zagor | i will |
| 10:48:02 | quelsaruk | an off-topic question, does anyone knows of a metallic structure made of Hadfield Steel? |
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| 10:52:24 | Zagor | quelsaruk: playing trivial pursuit? ;) |
| 10:52:58 | quelsaruk | nop |
| 10:52:59 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 10:53:36 | quelsaruk | i want to talk today of hadfield steel in class, but i can't remember any structure made of hadfield steel |
| 10:53:44 | Schnueff | whats hadfield steel |
| 10:54:10 | * | Bagder decides that quelsaruk is mad for real ;-) |
| 10:55:25 | quelsaruk | Austenitic steel. It can't be found normally except if it has more than 12% Mn. It's really hard. And no-magnetic |
| 10:55:43 | quelsaruk | Bagder: im *mad*, but i thought you all knew that |
| 10:55:44 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 10:55:53 | Zagor | m..mm.mmm.mmaaad |
| 10:56:14 | quelsaruk | I really love that steel |
| 10:56:33 | quelsaruk | i mean... for me it's the best steel ever made, and also the most expensive |
| 10:57:33 | quelsaruk | i could talk a lot about steel.. but it's coffee time :) |
| 10:57:36 | quelsaruk | cu later |
| 10:57:51 | quelsaruk | time to wake up! |
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| 10:58:24 | Bagder | bbl |
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| 11:20:45 | langhaarrocker | Have you seen that before: Zagor isn't the last in the list! |
| 11:24:17 | Zagor | hehe |
| 11:24:31 | Zagor | zodd conquered the coveted last place :-) |
| 11:42:31 | langhaarrocker | The rockbox homepage is a liar: |
| 11:42:31 | langhaarrocker | "Recent CVS activity: No changes" |
| 11:42:36 | Zagor | :-) |
| 11:52:37 | dwihno | There is no CVS! (Matrix ripoff) |
| 11:52:58 | dwihno | If you see the truth, you will find out it's not the CVS that's bending, but the Rockbox! |
| 11:55:14 | langhaarrocker | what's a Matrix ripoff? |
| 11:56:45 | dwihno | There is no CVS |
| 11:56:57 | dwihno | Seen the Matrix? |
| 11:57:03 | dwihno | There is no spoon blahblah |
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| 12:27:14 | kargatis | Zagor, i replied to your bookmark email - I do hope you'll reconsider. I think your suggestions make a very simple desire very clunky to get done (regarding multi-resume) |
| 12:31:23 | Zagor | i believe quite the opposite. i'm responding now. |
| 12:31:38 | Zagor | you mix up resume and bookmarks. i don't like that. |
| 12:31:55 | kargatis | it's not about mixing up - it's about usage |
| 12:33:00 | Zagor | resume and bookmarks are two separate features |
| 12:33:10 | kargatis | i can't understand how the benfits of resume are apparent, but multi-resume isn't. It's the same action, just on multiple playlists rather than a single one. |
| 12:33:37 | Zagor | that's because you mix resume and bookmark |
| 12:33:47 | kargatis | insteda of reading one book, you're reading several. the simple desire to return where you left off doesn't change. |
| 12:33:55 | Zagor | the whole purpose of resume is to resume where you shut off |
| 12:34:19 | Zagor | bookmarks is for reading several books. not resume. |
| 12:34:32 | kargatis | this is semantics, no? |
| 12:34:37 | Zagor | not really |
| 12:34:45 | Zagor | i want to keep them separate, you want to mix them |
| 12:34:46 | kargatis | i'm talking about the simplicity of the returning action. |
| 12:35:01 | Zagor | yes. and we have it equally simple. |
| 12:35:10 | kargatis | actually, all I want is a feature that's easy to use |
| 12:35:40 | kargatis | using bookmarks as you describe is very tedious. |
| 12:35:44 | Zagor | why? |
| 12:36:22 | kargatis | for the same reason that it would be tedious to use bookmarks instead of the current resume. |
| 12:36:25 | kargatis | let's say there's no resume |
| 12:36:43 | Zagor | you can't compare resume and bookmarks |
| 12:36:47 | Zagor | really |
| 12:36:54 | kargatis | usage-wise, certainly you can |
| 12:37:15 | Zagor | no. because auto-bookmarks will insert 5-second delays for everything you do |
| 12:37:25 | Zagor | resume does not |
| 12:37:56 | Zagor | that's also why multi-resume is not the same as todays resume |
| 12:38:10 | kargatis | but creating and later starting at a bookmark takes a lot longer than 5 seconds! |
| 12:38:50 | Zagor | why would it? |
| 12:38:59 | Zagor | example: F2+PLAY creates a bookmark |
| 12:39:21 | Zagor | when you restart the file, it asks if you want to resume at it. you press PLAY. done. 0.32 seconds wasted. |
| 12:40:01 | kargatis | i thought you had to PLAY, then go into the menu and choose resume-bookmark |
| 12:40:19 | kargatis | "Play the mp3 file as normal. Then choose Resume From Bookmark (button or menu option)" |
| 12:40:28 | Zagor | play the .bmark file then |
| 12:40:34 | Zagor | same thing |
| 12:41:12 | Zagor | but I guess asking about bookmarks can be done when playing the .mp3 file too. that's not a major issue for me. |
| 12:42:16 | kargatis | but if you have that function, then what's the difference between when creating, F2+PLAY vs an automatic creation on STOP (based on config choice) |
| 12:42:45 | kargatis | i mean, F2+PLAY will take the same time, since it's writing the file. |
| 12:43:00 | Zagor | yes. the difference is I do it when I want it. not always or never. |
| 12:43:21 | kargatis | well, with auto=off, that would be the case. |
| 12:43:34 | kargatis | but for users like me who almost always want it, it makes life much easier |
| 12:44:18 | Zagor | I can live with that. |
| 12:44:25 | Zagor | so we have both then |
| 12:44:35 | kargatis | absolutely - i never thought to suggest otherwise |
| 12:44:59 | Zagor | ok, i guess I misread you |
| 12:45:17 | kargatis | i was just arguing against dumping autobookmarks |
| 12:45:29 | kargatis | not forcing their use |
| 12:45:37 | Zagor | i didn't see any mention of any other way to create them |
| 12:45:42 | Zagor | but ok, we agree now |
| 12:45:49 | Zagor | just don't call it multi-resume :-) |
| 12:46:33 | kargatis | i was just trying to link the desire of resume to the concept of bookmarks, usage-wise. |
| 12:47:07 | kargatis | i didn't mention bookmark management because it was already being discussed and planned, and wasn't relevant to autobm |
| 12:47:16 | Zagor | ok. I think it is good to talk about them separately, to avoid confusion |
| 12:47:48 | kargatis | in any case, if we agree, that's great - autobookmarking is the single unimplemented function I would use constantly |
| 12:48:04 | Zagor | i'll write a new mail to the list |
| 12:48:16 | quel|out | Zagor: i have the answer for our "trivial pursuit" question, it's used in railways connections ( I won) :D |
| 12:48:59 | Zagor | quel|out: hehe |
| 12:50:19 | quel|out | i had to search in a lot of books |
| 12:50:22 | quel|out | :) |
| 12:50:37 | quel|out | well, gotta go to repair my poor car |
| 12:51:05 | Zagor | kargatis: how does auto-bookmark work, in practice? say you have two bookmarks on a file, and then press STOP. is a third created? |
| 12:51:06 | quel|out | this winter is very hard for its little heart |
| 12:51:17 | Zagor | quel|out: bah, you have no winter ;) |
| 12:51:22 | quel|out | really? |
| 12:51:31 | quel|out | well... this year we have |
| 12:51:37 | Zagor | just kidding |
| 12:51:38 | kargatis | Zagor, that's why the 'resume' top line that ben talked about made sense to me. |
| 12:52:03 | kargatis | i.e., the auto-one created is always the one that auto looks at on start |
| 12:52:07 | quel|out | -5ºC is *winter* for me ;) In sweden you have really extreme winter. :) |
| 12:52:17 | kargatis | the other bookmarks would be available thru regular bm management |
| 12:52:23 | Zagor | kargatis: ok, sounds good |
| 12:53:12 | quel|out | bbl! |
| 12:53:16 | kargatis | btw "asking about bookmarks can be done when playing the .mp3 file too. that's not a major issue for me." it is for me - i would prefer being able to PLAY the playlist, and asked to resume where i left off. |
| 12:53:36 | kargatis | to me, that seems very natural (with auto=on) |
| 12:54:07 | Zagor | ok |
| 12:54:08 | langhaarrocker | I once started a gui for a split editor - Do you think it might be a good idea to mix the things? Like you create bookmarks and split at those positions? |
| 12:54:22 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: nah, i doubt it |
| 12:54:35 | Zagor | splitting is more precision work than bookmarks |
| 12:55:25 | langhaarrocker | I thought something like you open the split editor only if you want to fine-tune the bookmark position. |
| 12:56:27 | Zagor | i think it is better to keep them separated. make it so the split editor can read .bmark files for input, but don't make too much integration. i.e don't rely on it. |
| 12:57:25 | langhaarrocker | ok . Currently I have no spare time to complete that task anyway. |
| 12:58:13 | Zagor | ok |
| 12:59:02 | langhaarrocker | I need a job with daily train travels again ... :) |
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| 13:03:58 | Zagor | hehe |
| 13:11:00 | dwihno | How fast is GPRS? |
| 13:11:14 | * | dwihno wants to SSH using GPRS yaman! :-) |
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| 13:45:48 | Zagor | lunch |
| 13:46:54 | kargatis | Zagor, latest bookmark email is perfect. thx |
| 13:49:35 | * | matsl is back (gone 03:49:38) |
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| 13:51:13 | Bagder | moo |
| 13:53:14 | dwihno | Moo moo! |
| 13:54:02 | dwihno | My CVS addiction is getting bothersome! Isn't there a way to read the changes?! |
| 13:54:14 | Bagder | there is |
| 13:54:21 | Bagder | but I'd rather avoid the work-arounds |
| 13:56:29 | dwihno | hm |
| 13:56:35 | dwihno | *sob* |
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| 14:06:32 | langhaarrocker | who is the bad gui that broke the cvs? |
| 14:06:52 | * | Bagder says nothing but looks at dwihno... |
| 14:06:59 | * | Bagder grins evilish |
| 14:07:37 | * | dwihno LUVS CVS |
| 14:08:15 | langhaarrocker | only when working |
| 14:08:56 | dwihno | I want to see what has changed! :( |
| 14:09:06 | dwihno | Even the daily builds are non-changed for 3 dayus |
| 14:10:27 | langhaarrocker | -> lets change them to weekly builds? ;) |
| 14:11:04 | dwihno | baah |
| 14:12:40 | langhaarrocker | seriously: has Sourceforge done the evil things or has someone configured cvs broken? |
| 14:13:50 | dwihno | Aren't there any CVS commit mails, Bagder? |
| 14:14:03 | Bagder | yes there are |
| 14:14:46 | langhaarrocker | Do I have to commit the patches manually now? |
| 14:15:08 | Schnueff | is the world going to end? |
| 14:15:09 | langhaarrocker | (from the cvs mails to my source tree) |
| 14:15:14 | Bagder | its only the anonymouse cvs that doesn't work |
| 14:15:53 | langhaarrocker | But I'm not anonymous - I know me! |
| 14:16:15 | Bagder | if you use the cvs over ssh, then it still works fine |
| 14:16:21 | dwihno | Bagder: sum up the changes for us! :) |
| 14:16:49 | Bagder | today: Zagor's font fixes for iso8859-2 |
| 14:17:04 | Bagder | today: Zagor's wps exit button fix |
| 14:17:25 | dwihno | Erasing dirs still not good? :) |
| 14:17:27 | Bagder | yday: my commits fixing the FM build |
| 14:17:42 | Bagder | yday: elinenbe fixed the undo in Sokoban |
| 14:17:50 | Bagder | yday: I added the NODO document |
| 14:18:19 | Bagder | jan 15: hardeep fixed a resume-ask-once bug |
| 14:18:28 | Bagder | who needs automatic scripts? ;-) |
| 14:18:38 | Zagor | dwihno: you can't erase dirs. the button is disabled if you have selected a dir |
| 14:19:35 | langhaarrocker | Let's announce Bagder as our cvs frontende! |
| 14:19:54 | quel|out | bagder... and jan 14? |
| 14:19:59 | quel|out | ;) |
| 14:20:12 | dwihno | Zagor: Erasing files is safe too? |
| 14:20:27 | * | Bagder broke down |
| 14:20:31 | dwihno | Bagder: thank you! :D |
| 14:20:36 | dwihno | Bagder: You rule! |
| 14:20:45 | quel|out | can we erasa files?? |
| 14:20:51 | quel|out | erase |
| 14:20:51 | Zagor | dwihno: yes |
| 14:20:58 | Bagder | quel|out: yes |
| 14:21:01 | quel|out | why? when ? how? |
| 14:21:05 | * | langhaarrocker threats Bagder with a kiss of life |
| 14:21:27 | Bagder | quel|out: get the latest CVS, press ON+play in the dir browser |
| 14:22:06 | quel|out | the latest cvs is the one at your website? or can we dowmload it from rockbox? |
| 14:22:14 | quel|out | *download |
| 14:22:28 | dwihno | Zagor: how can you be sure? :) |
| 14:22:44 | quel|out | i'm really analphabet these days |
| 14:22:59 | Zagor | dwihno: well, it works for me |
| 14:22:59 | Bagder | quel|out: there's nowhere to download it while the cvs is down |
| 14:24:04 | dwihno | Zagor: No file system breakups or so? |
| 14:24:24 | * | dwihno is still a bit uneasy about using erasing :/ |
| 14:24:30 | quel|out | Bagder: so how do i get it? |
| 14:24:39 | quel|out | can anyone send it to me? |
| 14:24:56 | quel|out | i promise i'll be a good boy till the end of the day :) |
| 14:25:27 | Bagder | ok then wait |
| 14:26:01 | elinenbe | There are some heated bookmark mails on the list! |
| 14:26:29 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-co/build-recorder/ajbrec.ajz |
| 14:26:47 | Bagder | that's the current bleeding-edge |
| 14:27:10 | quel|out | thx Bagder, but i was crossing my fingers, i lied :D |
| 14:27:20 | Bagder | darn |
| 14:27:26 | elinenbe | Zagor: do you think you will add the "Queue info" when a file is queued? |
| 14:27:42 | elinenbe | taking that away was like taking away my first born! |
| 14:28:23 | Zagor | i don't see why we need it. it was only ever necessary because you didn't see that PLAY|REPEAT was queue. now you do. |
| 14:28:41 | elinenbe | it is nice to see the number of songs in the queue however. |
| 14:29:05 | elinenbe | like I was playing songs for friends last night. And when people rewuested songs, they wanted to know how long it would be. |
| 14:29:12 | quel|out | time for lunch, bbl! |
| 14:29:14 | | Part quel|out (""Eve's Avatar - Avatar's Eve"") |
| 14:29:33 | elinenbe | and I was unaware how long the queue was at that time, as we had been queuing and playing off the queue all night. |
| 14:29:54 | Bagder | I think you've got a point there |
| 14:30:22 | Bagder | thinking about it, we could possibly have some wps-code for displaying queue info as well |
| 14:30:34 | elinenbe | unless you want to code up a queue browser. |
| 14:30:42 | elinenbe | Badger: that is a good idea. |
| 14:31:02 | elinenbe | it would be nice to have a dynamic queue where you can add/remove/cut/paste/move songs... |
| 14:31:08 | elinenbe | then we have a playlist editor! |
| 14:31:14 | Bagder | yeah ;-) |
| 14:31:17 | dwihno | :D |
| 14:31:18 | dwihno | YAY! |
| 14:31:21 | dwihno | :-D |
| 14:31:31 | dwihno | Playlisteditor and kebab for everyone! |
| 14:33:03 | langhaarrocker | what does the abbreviation bbl mean? (my dictionary says 'barrel' but I doubt it somehow) |
| 14:33:12 | Bagder | be back later |
| 14:33:27 | langhaarrocker | thx |
| 14:40:11 | dwihno | Yay for Roland! |
| 14:40:31 | Bagder | ? |
| 14:40:41 | langhaarrocker | the drumcomputer? |
| 14:44:29 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_770.html |
| 14:45:22 | dwihno | Roland wants inverted selection too! |
| 14:47:50 | kargatis | on queue browsing - that wouldn't be handled trivially with the existence of a pl browser? ('view current playlist'?) |
| 14:48:32 | Zagor | we need a generic browser, for many things. |
| 14:48:44 | Zagor | we need one for bookmarks too |
| 14:48:51 | kargatis | i guess that's included in the more complicated 'edit playlist' idea, too |
| 14:50:01 | kargatis | another plus for autobookmarking - no UI needed :) |
| 14:50:23 | Zagor | :-) |
| 14:50:25 | langhaarrocker | we need time |
| 14:51:55 | dwihno | "verschönert" ?! He has not! |
| 14:51:58 | dwihno | He raped it! :( |
| 14:53:30 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: on your photo there are two devices missing for the peak. What about a JBMM and a JBFM? |
| 14:53:43 | Bagder | infidel! |
| 14:53:47 | Bagder | :-) |
| 14:55:25 | dwihno | Infinite deletion! |
| 14:56:19 | dwihno | Let's get crazy and delete some dirs! :D |
| 14:57:48 | kargatis | a slightly OT question about disk copying |
| 14:57:59 | kargatis | i have a backup external copy of my mp3s |
| 14:58:13 | kargatis | since the last backup, i mp3gained everything, plus added a lot |
| 14:58:24 | kargatis | so basically, synching here is just a full recopy anyway |
| 14:58:42 | kargatis | if i just copy over, will it result in lots more fragmentation than if i reformatted, then copied? |
| 14:59:03 | kargatis | or will all the new files just go cleanly into the empty space, and the extant files overwritten cleanly too? |
| 14:59:46 | langhaarrocker | If you delete the old files before copying theres lots of continuous space -> less fragmentation when new files are written. |
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| 15:00:44 | kargatis | so the individual file overwrites will result in lots of fragging, due to the slight changes? (mp3gain header info only) |
| 15:00:58 | dwihno | kargatis: deleteing files is cool! send us some screen shots! :) |
| 15:03:51 | Zagor | kargatis: depends on the fat driver, i'd say |
| 15:04:16 | Zagor | my fat code overwrites the old file, but some drivers may create a new file and then remove the old one |
| 15:05:00 | kargatis | realistically, will fragmentation affect me in this backup? i figure reformatting a 120GB drive will take a while. :-/ |
| 15:05:47 | langhaarrocker | With mp3 I wouldn't bother much about fragmentation anyway. It's not that speed critical to take much effect. |
| 15:06:02 | Zagor | also mp3 files are so big, fragmentation is not a real problem |
| 15:07:02 | dwihno | kargatis: You got USB2? |
| 15:07:15 | dwihno | USB2 is cool! I want USB2! |
| 15:07:25 | dwihno | But I don't know what cardbus adapter to buy! :( |
| 15:07:32 | langhaarrocker | dwihno: buy a second jukebox |
| 15:07:47 | Bagder | hey, it still took me an hour or so to restore my 19GB of data ;-) |
| 15:07:59 | kargatis | sure, bought a cheap usb2 card |
| 15:08:14 | kargatis | works like charm, no probs |
| 15:08:27 | dwihno | kargatis: how about drivers? |
| 15:08:39 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: In that time int would be easier to build the drive into the computer temporarily :) |
| 15:08:45 | kargatis | again, np - i'm on win2k |
| 15:08:48 | * | dwihno wants hardware which is neat, stable, and works on fishy platforms (linux, bsd etc) |
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| 15:09:09 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: I disagree, then I'd have to spend time to rip it out and put it in and vice versa too |
| 15:09:31 | langhaarrocker | But that time is more interesting then waiting |
| 15:10:03 | Bagder | hehe, I was away eating while it copied |
| 15:10:42 | langhaarrocker | I guess the drive took more bytes per second than you :) |
| 15:10:51 | Bagder | :-] |
| 15:14:00 | dwihno | Bagder: what USB2 cardbus adapter would you recommend? |
| 15:14:19 | Bagder | I recommend pci ;-) |
| 15:15:15 | * | dwihno throws skumtomtar (from RIMI, 1.95/hg) on Bagder |
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| 15:15:21 | Zagor_ | grr |
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| 15:15:33 | * | dwihno gives Zagor some skumtomtar, you can throw some too! |
| 15:15:52 | | Part Zagor |
| 15:16:10 | * | Bagder has a feeling Zagor's tunnel is not 100% fine today |
| 15:16:24 | langhaarrocker | dwihno: now you scared zagor away |
| 15:16:43 | dwihno | That 8MB mod looks so cool :) |
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| 15:23:50 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: any bruises from the collapsing tunnel? |
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| 15:24:09 | Zagor | i got sand in my eye! |
| 15:24:44 | * | Bagder smiles |
| 15:25:49 | langhaarrocker | always wear safety glasses when surfing in a tunnel! |
| 15:27:12 | elinenbe | langhaarrocker: are you ever going to finish your split editor? |
| 15:28:03 | langhaarrocker | somewhen. Momentarily I'm too busy with work and band. (We're doing recordings with new hardware and I'm the guy to do all the stuff) |
| 15:29:49 | langhaarrocker | It'll take a few weeks before I get my hands dirty programming the JB again |
| 15:30:10 | elinenbe | langhaarrocker: darn −− I was looking forward to that. |
| 15:30:17 | langhaarrocker | me too |
| 15:31:04 | dwihno | Aren't there anybody else but me who uses a laptop?! |
| 15:31:43 | elinenbe | dwihno: I only have a laptop |
| 15:32:11 | langhaarrocker | elinenbe: What is worse: I still want to do the user assignable key binding stuff. The more I delay that the more code is written that must be rewritten some day. |
| 15:32:11 | langhaarrocker | I use a laptop, too |
| 15:33:27 | elinenbe | most of the time I only use my palm! |
| 15:33:40 | langhaarrocker | for programming?! |
| 15:33:49 | elinenbe | everything. |
| 15:33:56 | elinenbe | I like being a minimalist. |
| 15:34:00 | langhaarrocker | do you have a keyboard for the palm? |
| 15:34:03 | elinenbe | I have a palm with an 802.11b card in it. |
| 15:34:10 | elinenbe | I can write grafitti VERY fast |
| 15:34:22 | dwihno | elinenbe: You got USB2? |
| 15:34:32 | elinenbe | no. |
| 15:34:50 | dwihno | how about you, langhaarrocker? |
| 15:34:58 | langhaarrocker | no. |
| 15:35:09 | elinenbe | Zagor: I think .cfg files should all be in the same place too? |
| 15:35:15 | langhaarrocker | Maybe my laptop has but I have no usb2 devices |
| 15:35:32 | dwihno | whoa, nobody has USB2 cardbus adapters :( |
| 15:35:39 | Zagor | elinenbe: how can a .cfg be track specific unless it's where the track is? |
| 15:35:41 | dwihno | I was looking forward to get some additional info :( |
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| 15:52:02 | Zagor | can I debug the conditions in an 'if' case somehow with gdb? |
| 15:52:18 | Bagder | you can print it |
| 15:52:27 | Bagder | p (expression) |
| 15:52:43 | Zagor | yeah, but this is a monster 'if'. ~30 conditions |
| 15:52:49 | Bagder | uh |
| 15:53:18 | Bagder | no, I don't think there's any way to see which part that evaluates true or something like that |
| 15:53:24 | Zagor | ok |
| 15:55:48 | Bagder | hm, the anoncvs error changed |
| 15:56:30 | Bagder | WORKS |
| 15:56:33 | Bagder | tadaaa |
| 15:56:40 | Bagder | go go go |
| 15:56:53 | * | Bagder goes fixing |
| 15:57:06 | Zagor | yay |
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| 15:57:33 | Bagder | it'll probably cause a massive cvs attack on sf ;-) |
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| 15:58:22 | Zagor | yeah |
| 15:59:13 | gclark | I'm updated !!! |
| 15:59:31 | gclark | ls |
| 15:59:49 | gclark | sorry, wrong window. |
| 15:59:54 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 16:05:45 | Bagder | making a daily build manually now |
| 16:07:32 | Zagor | nice |
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| 16:13:46 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 16:13:50 | elinenbe | zagor: there could be a master config file |
| 16:14:03 | elinenbe | config.cfg |
| 16:14:11 | elinenbe | where it looks like: |
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| 16:14:54 | elinenbe | file: artists/a-f/all saints/booty call.mp3 |
| 16:14:58 | elinenbe | volume: 70 |
| 16:15:12 | elinenbe | balance: left |
| 16:15:16 | elinenbe | .... |
| 16:15:23 | elinenbe | ; |
| 16:15:25 | elinenbe | ; |
| 16:15:33 | kargatis | elinenbe, what is the advantage of a centralized cfg? |
| 16:15:51 | elinenbe | kargatis: then there will not be lots of .cfg files all over the place. |
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| 16:16:18 | kargatis | okaaaay |
| 16:16:22 | elinenbe | file: artists/t-z/u2/achtung baby/mysterious ways.mp3 |
| 16:16:23 | kargatis | granted! :) |
| 16:16:26 | elinenbe | volume: 80 |
| 16:16:29 | elinenbe | etc ... |
| 16:16:39 | elinenbe | one place to look at and edit the files. |
| 16:16:39 | quelsaruk | sounds good... |
| 16:16:57 | elinenbe | and the same could be done for bookmark files too. |
| 16:17:18 | elinenbe | brb (laundry) |
| 16:18:54 | kargatis | in general, I know where a given file (mp3, palylist) is, so it's not hard to go there. still don't understand the badness of distributed files. |
| 16:19:19 | kargatis | are you envisioning bulk changes in a centralized config file? |
| 16:19:41 | Bagder | I'd assume people who wants to sync files from the archos for example |
| 16:20:01 | elinenbe | kargatis: not really. I just know right now I have MANY .cfg files on my recorder, and in some directories I have 20 .cfg diles |
| 16:20:07 | elinenbe | s/diles/files |
| 16:20:13 | elinenbe | and it becomes quite a mess. |
| 16:20:49 | elinenbe | I could not imagine 10 bookmark files and 20 cfg files in a mix CD directory with 25 mp3s |
| 16:20:55 | elinenbe | that is overload! |
| 16:21:28 | Bagder | Zagor: daily fmrecorder build now added |
| 16:21:38 | Bagder | in the same dir/path style as the other ones |
| 16:23:03 | langhaarrocker | Aaah. Some red builds. Green is so boring. |
| 16:24:50 | quelsaruk | Bagder: cvs is online?? I had to promise that i would be quiet today just for this?? ouch!!! not fair enough |
| 16:24:54 | Bagder | I'm not sure they are correct atm, though |
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| 16:28:10 | kargatis | elinenbe, well, i'm fine with centralized files, as long as it doesn't affect usability (in dealing with the entries as related to the parent files). |
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| 16:31:00 | Bagder | "FM Rec" in the compile status table |
| 16:32:03 | langhaarrocker | but no bleeding edge build yet. |
| 16:32:11 | langhaarrocker | (for fm) |
| 16:32:31 | Bagder | it is there, just no link |
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| 16:37:56 | Bagder | fm recorder showed up as daily build now |
| 16:38:37 | edx | Bagder: i didnt quite follow the conversation about the fm recorder... is rockbox completely working on there now? |
| 16:38:51 | Bagder | completely no, working somewhat yes :-) |
| 16:39:08 | edx | heh yea i got that ;) |
| 16:40:13 | Bagder | bleeding-edge FM version available too now |
| 16:41:33 | * | langhaarrocker thinks that Bagder completed the daily build page |
| 16:44:46 | * | Bagder bows |
| 16:45:56 | zodd | that's good news about the fm recorder...i'm getting one shipped today :) |
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| 16:45:59 | * | langhaarrocker applauds |
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| 16:47:02 | Zagor | i want fmrec at the far right in the compile status page :) |
| 16:47:17 | Bagder | its alphabeticly sorted |
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| 16:47:27 | Zagor | ah |
| 16:47:28 | Bagder | I could reverse it ;-) |
| 16:48:39 | zodd | is it here? http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/ |
| 16:48:42 | Zagor | nah :) |
| 16:48:48 | Zagor | zodd: no, daily builds |
| 16:49:00 | zodd | gotcha |
| 16:49:01 | zodd | thx |
| 16:49:28 | Bagder | zodd: the fm version will need more work before its usable though |
| 16:49:34 | Bagder | we count on YOU! ;-) |
| 16:50:20 | * | dwihno sees the CVS log! Thank GOD! |
| 16:50:21 | zodd | heh |
| 16:50:41 | zodd | i assume i could always go back to the factory software if need be, right? |
| 16:50:55 | langhaarrocker | you tell us :) |
| 16:51:11 | Bagder | yes, but that's chickening out and that won't give you highscore with us! ;-) |
| 16:51:18 | zodd | hehe |
| 16:51:33 | zodd | is this compressed? .ajz |
| 16:51:56 | Bagder | that's the Archos-scrambled version |
| 16:52:10 | zodd | oh, that's the file "as is" that you drop on the archos? |
| 16:52:19 | Bagder | aye! |
| 16:52:28 | zodd | cool |
| 16:53:18 | zodd | cant wait to try it, read really good stuff about your work |
| 16:53:35 | Bagder | ok,the player red build was my mistake |
| 16:53:48 | langhaarrocker | zodd: yes, we write the good stuff |
| 16:53:49 | Bagder | I did a bad configure |
| 16:56:32 | zodd | so the same features you made for the previous recorders you are going to implement in the fm recorder? |
| 16:56:50 | Bagder | they're very similar, so it almost works already |
| 16:58:13 | Bagder | I mean, except for the FM stuff |
| 16:58:39 | zodd | fm doesnt work at all yet? |
| 16:59:12 | Bagder | no |
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| 17:00:05 | zodd | do you guys work with other machines or just the archos stuff? |
| 17:00:45 | langhaarrocker | Nodo A8: I think the answer can be misunderstood like: "Isn't the grapich eq more about sound settings than about visualizing frequency bands of mp3 streams" |
| 17:02:35 | Bagder | zodd: we work with this kinds of things for a living, at least I, zagor, linus and more |
| 17:03:01 | zodd | cool |
| 17:03:34 | langhaarrocker | Bagder: who pays you? |
| 17:03:41 | Bagder | Contactor |
| 17:03:48 | Bagder | my employer |
| 17:04:11 | dwihno | Can they pay me too ;D ? |
| 17:04:33 | Zagor | clarification: nobody pays us for working on Rockbox |
| 17:04:41 | dwihno | Will ordering electronics from London introduce taxes and other fees? (ment for Bagder and the swedes) |
| 17:04:57 | Bagder | dwihno: no such things, EU you know |
| 17:05:10 | Bagder | they add their VAT |
| 17:05:26 | dwihno | Bagder: VAT? |
| 17:05:31 | Zagor | moms |
| 17:05:37 | dwihno | They already do that. |
| 17:05:43 | dwihno | It's a consumer-only dealer |
| 17:05:49 | Bagder | yes, they do that in UK |
| 17:05:57 | dwihno | Sweden is a U-land sometimes. |
| 17:07:50 | dwihno | Let's pay some taxes! :D |
| 17:08:16 | Zagor | it's a "D country" in english :-) |
| 17:10:20 | dwihno | Zagor: It's a fucking YOU-land! :-) |
| 17:10:45 | dwihno | $7 shipping from UK is acceptable though :-) |
| 17:11:00 | dwihno | One, two, tree. See, my english is excellent ;) |
| 17:12:00 | Bagder | they speak $ in UK? |
| 17:14:17 | Zagor | i don't understand this nonsense about "floater files". |
| 17:14:39 | kargatis | people just view it as clutter, i think. nothing more complicated |
| 17:15:00 | kargatis | probably just an individual reaction to how they themselves organize their files. |
| 17:15:07 | Bagder | exactly |
| 17:15:09 | dwihno | Bagder: The entire site has prices in USD, don't ask me why |
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| 17:16:55 | langhaarrocker | lets store all the config stuff in the mp3 headers |
| 17:17:03 | langhaarrocker | no files no cry |
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| 17:21:00 | Zagor | :-) |
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| 17:28:05 | elinenbe | I hate "floater files" |
| 17:28:17 | Bagder | we're down on one yellow now |
| 17:28:21 | elinenbe | I think we should come to a cenus on this one. |
| 17:28:24 | Zagor | what the heck are floater files??? |
| 17:28:47 | Bagder | bookmark files in the mp3 file tree |
| 17:29:07 | Bagder | I guess |
| 17:29:11 | Zagor | no, floater files are some derogatory term stuart is using. I think he means junk temp files. |
| 17:29:24 | elinenbe | floater files are the files that my mp3 tagger progam puts in every damn directory where I modify an mp3 "mp3.cache" |
| 17:29:48 | elinenbe | Zagor: I don't think "floater" is meant to be derogatory |
| 17:29:54 | elinenbe | bbl |
| 17:29:55 | Zagor | no files are ever created without you explicitly asking for it. that will continue. |
| 17:30:16 | Bagder | right, but I may not be asking for the file to be created in the mp3 file tree |
| 17:30:37 | elinenbe | I for one would just like all the "rockbox" associated files in the .rockbox directory |
| 17:30:46 | Zagor | Bagder: you are asking for information about this specific file to be saved. |
| 17:30:53 | Zagor | elinenbe: called what? |
| 17:30:58 | Bagder | Not really |
| 17:31:04 | Bagder | I'm saving a bookmark |
| 17:31:20 | Zagor | a bookmark is file specific by definition |
| 17:31:28 | Bagder | I'm only saying *I* would want that in a specific directory |
| 17:31:43 | Bagder | that's me |
| 17:32:19 | Zagor | how? |
| 17:32:21 | elinenbe | that is the problem, everyone wants their own thing, but everyone is forgetting the cardinal rule of OS projects: "Show Me The Code" |
| 17:32:24 | elinenbe | br |
| 17:32:26 | elinenbe | brb |
| 17:32:42 | Zagor | how would you save track-specific files in the /.rockbox dir? |
| 17:32:53 | Bagder | Zagor: well, first that's why I want the full file name in the file itself |
| 17:33:20 | Zagor | so; rename a dir, and all bookmarks go bust? fun fun |
| 17:33:23 | Bagder | so duplicate file names could append whatever to avoid being a duplicate |
| 17:33:41 | Bagder | yes, rename makes it go boom |
| 17:33:49 | Bagder | that's still what I want |
| 17:34:47 | Bagder | since it is plain ascii, it is at least theoritecly fixable |
| 17:35:23 | Zagor | what about all other file types? |
| 17:35:43 | Zagor | this is just one of many new support file we will be handling |
| 17:35:46 | Bagder | you mean like .cfs etc? |
| 17:35:49 | Bagder | cfg |
| 17:35:50 | Zagor | yes. |
| 17:36:21 | Bagder | that's a different issue in my eyes |
| 17:36:31 | Zagor | i think it's the same thing |
| 17:36:49 | Bagder | well, I would like to be able to browse my bookmarks |
| 17:36:54 | Bagder | not my .cfg files |
| 17:37:17 | Zagor | browse bookmarks? |
| 17:37:22 | Bagder | yes |
| 17:37:29 | Bagder | have 12 in a dir, named sensible |
| 17:37:38 | Bagder | then you know what they have marked |
| 17:38:26 | Zagor | gotta go |
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| 17:50:59 | Bagder | the win sim is in a sorry state |
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| 23:58:45 | EGM92 | ANYONE here? |
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