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#rockbox log for 2003-01-21

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00:01:25hardeepricII: hmmm, there is no variable named queue_resume_offset... do you mean queue_resume_index?
00:02:08ricIIyes it they all start to get mixedup in my mind..
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00:11:08Sonnendeckhi devzero
00:11:28devZer0huhu ;)
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00:15:03 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
00:19:12devZer0hi linus
00:19:55LinusNyo
00:20:29devZer0are you ok? your wife and your child? read that yesterday on this channel ;)
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00:21:28devZer0my best wishes
00:21:38LinusNi'm fine, kids are fine, wife is really bad
00:22:21devZer0ohhh, why?
00:22:26devZer0kids?
00:22:30devZer0did you get twins?
00:22:51LinusNi have a 3-year-old son as well as the newborn daughter
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00:23:31devZer0ah, ok. is it because of the birth, that your wife feels so bad?
00:23:35LinusNmy wife has complications from the pregnancy, so she cannot sit or stand
00:24:01LinusNand will not get up for several months
00:24:27devZer0uhhh. no good. wish her get well soon !
00:24:39LinusNextreme pain, lots of painkillers
00:24:47LinusNi'll send your regards
00:24:53devZer0:)
00:25:07devZer0she cant get up for MONTHS?
00:25:42*LinusN is holding his breath as he connects his Recorder USB to his laptop for the first time
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00:26:09LinusNdevZer0: months, maybe even a year
00:26:28devZer0staying in BED?
00:26:47LinusNin bed
00:27:25devZer0oh, this can happen when bearing children?
00:27:27devZer0uhhh
00:27:50LinusNit is very rare
00:28:09devZer0and she and you are that unlucky ones...
00:29:31devZer0wish you all the best
00:30:07LinusNthx
00:32:47devZer0linus - i have recognized, i can easy collect statistics information regardings jirc applet usage :D
00:32:49ricIIseveral months, who is gonna take care of the kids ?
00:33:29devZer0probably the guy on this channel ? ;)
00:33:34LinusNricII: i will
00:33:55devZer0and there is a pair of grandpa and grandma ?
00:33:58ricIIthat's full day job ..
00:34:05LinusNricII: more than that
00:34:20_seb_LinusN: teach her C, we can have a full-timer on the rockbox team :D
00:34:22LinusNand my parents live in France
00:35:01LinusNwe are staying at her parents house at the moment, 500 kilometers from home
00:35:24devZer0I have some colleagues who reported, how it was when they got a child
00:35:29devZer0must be horrible
00:35:34devZer0no sleep at night....
00:35:47LinusNtakes quite some time and energy
00:36:13LinusNand a lot of stress on Sara (my wife) as she can't do anything
00:36:28LinusNnot even read a book (whiplash injury as well)
00:36:28devZer0better I hear all sorts of horror storys before I become a dad....
00:36:47devZer0perhaps it`s not that hard then, when you know what you have to expect
00:37:06LinusNdevZer0: the new child is a dream child
00:37:27LinusNshe is rarely any trouble, just eats, sleeps and smiles
00:37:35devZer0:)
00:37:45devZer0fine
00:37:47ricIIsounds sweet:)
00:37:57LinusNwell, she fills her diapers efficiently as well :-)
00:37:58devZer0did your wife also have an accident?
00:38:11LinusNdevZer0: yeah, a bus crash a few years ago
00:38:35devZer0was that the reason for complications
00:38:36devZer0`
00:38:38devZer0?
00:38:56LinusNconstant neck/head pain and difficulties to read and write
00:39:05LinusNwhiplash
00:40:09devZer0but the accident wasn`t her guiltiness and she will get some money?
00:40:22LinusNwell, i don't know the english word for the problems she's having now
00:40:38ricIImoney doesn't solves it..
00:40:52devZer0no,youre right
00:40:56LinusNdevZer0: insurance companies in Sweden rarely takes whiplash injuries seriously
00:41:18devZer0don`t know how this is handled in germany
00:41:35LinusNno physical evidence of an injury, never shows on x-ray
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00:41:52devZer0the only thing i know is, that it is hard to diagnose
00:42:21devZer0you can go to a doctor and sey - hey, i`ve had an accident and have got a whiplash
00:42:38devZer0perhaps this is the reason, why it is difficult with insurance....
00:43:02devZer0but it is nothing compared to that, that she has to stay in bed for so long
00:43:05devZer0:(
00:44:53LinusNtrue
00:45:19LinusNbut this will eventually heal, the whiplash will not
00:45:34devZer0whiplash wouldn`t heal?
00:45:58LinusNif it doesn't heal within a year, it never does
00:46:11LinusNconstant pain, for the rest of her life
00:46:44devZer0i have never heard that before
00:47:21devZer0i will never make fun of that
00:47:56devZer0when i was in the army, there was some paramedic guys
00:48:06devZer0they had an accident with the car
00:48:09devZer04 people
00:48:41devZer0and all of them had worn a ruff after that
00:48:56devZer0the whole company laughed at them :)
00:49:04LinusN:-(
00:49:47devZer0i really didn`t know, that it can cause pain forever
00:50:27devZer0yes - this isn`t funny
00:51:58devZer0perhaps we should drop this subject?
00:56:17devZer0hey, people on this channel are very idle....
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00:56:34ricIIhmm
00:56:45devZer0oh - did I say the wrong words?
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00:57:00devZer0hope not
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00:58:30ricIIhave to get some sleep
00:58:56LinusNnite ricII
00:59:01devZer0good night!
00:59:08ricIIbe well
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01:27:26gclarkLinusN: Don't like 8192, huh? I just did it that way so it would more closely match your use of 65536.
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01:29:29LinusNgclark: i find hex numbers more even, i can't figure out why i used 65536 in the first place. must have been drunk :-)
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01:33:40Zagoris there any negative effect to using smaller a dma transfer?
01:35:08LinusNZagor: yes, the DMA interrupt will be processed more often
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01:42:04ZagorLinusN: ok. so we're moving from 0.25 Hz to about 2Hz for 128kbit data. not too alarming :-)
01:42:29LinusNnot really
01:43:44LinusNso what do you think about the distortion problem?
01:44:00Zagori don't know
01:44:22LinusNi'd prefer a dB display
01:44:45LinusNand informing that anything above 0dB is "dangerous"
01:45:21LinusNor maybe the >100% way
01:45:46Zagorwon't a dB display be rather weird at low volume? what is the dB difference btwn 55 and 60 for instance?
01:45:46gclarkYeah, use some red crayon to color the dangerous part!
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01:47:02LinusNyeah, dB display is very informative, and at the same time total nonsense :-)
01:47:32Zagormax 110% is a nice idea. i think most people will understand what that means.
01:48:13LinusNit will not be exactly 110%, but anyway
01:48:46Zagori like the concept
01:49:25LinusNok, so i have a go?
01:50:04Zagorfine by me
01:50:28Zagorjust make sure saved config values don't make people deaf :)
01:50:36gclarkWhat are you going to do fore those using the graphic volume display?
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01:51:01LinusNnothing
01:51:15Zagorit displays numeric when you change it
01:51:22Zagori think that is enough
01:51:29LinusNZagor: the saved values are not in percent, for what i know
01:51:34gclarkGood idea.
01:51:37ZagorLinusN: ok, good
01:52:33LinusNdamn, they are percent
01:53:14Zagormake the config incompatible and set new lower default values
01:53:28LinusNok
01:53:37gclarkOr multiply times 1.1 before display?
01:53:56Zagorgclark: nah, then we have to live with that kludge forever
01:54:24gclarkRight.
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02:01:46devZer0good night guys - have fun
02:01:54devZer0:-O
02:02:18LinusNnite devZer0
02:03:32LinusNZagor: the stored setting will result in a lower volume, so i don't think we need to reset the settings
02:05:28Zagorah, right. i was thinking the wrong way.
02:05:55Zagorsleep time. bye!
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02:29:58Jet8810aaah
02:30:02Jet8810hmm
02:30:04Jet8810anybody here?
02:31:00LinusNi'm here
02:31:34Jet8810do you think that Bjorn and other mailing list subscribers would mind if I sent a sale offer to mailing list?
02:31:37Jet8810or archos stuff of course
02:32:06LinusNprivate sale offer?
02:34:56Jet8810well just liek an ad saying to email me if interested
02:34:57Jet8810yea
02:35:03Jet8810I have some extra accessories
02:35:48LinusNi wouldn't mind, as long as it is personal and not commercial
02:38:30void_what do you have?
02:39:40Jet8810extra charger, blue nylon case, headphones, sync cable, and legit music match liscense that has NEVER BEEN INSTALLED
02:40:03Jet8810archos stolen so bought new one and have overlapping stuff and new musicmatch not used yet
02:40:03void_wow that sucks, it was stolen?
02:40:06void_that's what I'm afraid of
02:40:12void_when I go out I bring the thing with me everywhere
02:40:36Jet8810well actually
02:40:44Jet8810I left it on an airplane THEN it was stolen LOL
02:40:45Jet8810so my stupidty
02:40:45void_haha
02:40:52Jet8810but I feel smarter saying it was just stolen lol
02:40:56void_hehe
02:42:52Jet8810so are you interested in anything?
02:46:09Jet8810...?
02:47:09Jet8810void are you there?
02:47:28void_ya
02:47:30LinusNgotta go to sleep
02:47:32void_well I have most of that stuff
02:47:33LinusNcu guys
02:47:36void_later Linus
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02:48:01void_I just got mine a couple of weeks ago
02:49:07Jet8810get extras LOL
02:49:28void_hehe
02:49:41void_if you had batteries I would take them
02:49:46Jet8810well
02:49:51Jet8810I am planning to buy 2100 mah ones
02:49:55Jet8810then ill probably sell these then
02:50:02void_hrm
02:50:09void_how much are they?
02:50:16Jet88102100?
02:50:21void_ya
02:50:21Jet8810dunno
02:50:27Jet8810foudn some for $5 a piece but seem shigh to me
02:50:32Jet8810thought I foudn it cheaper elsewhere
02:50:35Jet8810help me look
02:50:36Jet8810:)
02:50:39void_that's not too bad though
02:50:39void_ok
02:50:40Jet8810online look for batt stores
02:51:21void_heh I put in 2100 and batteries and got 3 links
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03:03:43Jet8810there we go
03:03:44Jet8810http://www.nimhbattery.com/ipower_2100mah_nimh_batteries.htm
03:03:46Jet88104 for $15
03:09:47Nibblerjust have ssen this for 11.20 euro in germany
03:09:59Nibblerwell, sanyo 2100 NiMH AA
03:10:13Jet8810hmm
03:10:15Jet8810where?
03:10:17Jet8810I live in the states
03:13:07Nibbleroh well, at reichelt, but i just checked its not available yet
03:13:15Nibblerbecomes available "mid january"
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03:28:11Jet8810is 6gb recorder for $144 shipped a good price?
03:28:39elinenbeJet8810: where did you find that deal?
03:28:46elinenbeJet8810: that is a GREAT deal!
03:29:05Jet8810ebay
03:29:06Jet8810used though
03:29:14Jet8810but mint condition
03:30:32PsycoXulhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3001726632
03:33:07elinenbeoh.
03:33:15elinenbewell, that is still a really good deal
03:33:42Jet8810hjm
03:33:45Jet8810\thats 2000 mah though
03:33:49Jet8810not 2100 ;-D
03:33:51PsycoXulhehe
03:34:00Jet8810does that 100 mah make a big difference?
03:35:38PsycoXuldunno
03:35:47PsycoXulthere's some others even cheaper on ebay too
03:35:54Jet8810im tired
03:36:00Jet8810yea Ill look when I actually have paypal money
03:36:01Jet8810LOL
03:36:04Jet8810but gg bye
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03:37:19PsycoXulhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3000886609
03:37:20PsycoXullike those
03:37:54PsycoXul$1 plus free shipping
03:37:59PsycoXul$1 less even
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08:57:21adi|homejust thought id mention.. my box is all better now :)
08:57:27adi|homefigured out what my usb problem was...
08:58:19Bagderah goodie
08:58:48adi|homenow.. before i actual cook the cross compiler im getting you that damn shirt...
08:58:58Bagdergo go go!
08:59:01adi|homei expect first thing thurs. morning (mytime) it should be in your box
08:59:12adi|homei want to work on it on the big monitor at work
08:59:30adi|homeshould i use the contrib list that was current when shirt was voted? or the current one now?
08:59:42adi|homei vote now
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09:00:00BagderI say now as well
09:00:09adi|homek.. done
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09:09:07adi|homeBagder: you woulnd't happen to remember the url for the cable company that was listed selling AA cables cheap?
09:09:22Bagdernope
09:09:28adi|homehmmm..
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09:55:01Bagdermorn Z
09:55:07Zagorhi
09:56:31Zagor"what is the possibility of having you guys work on another project similarly like on Philips new jukebox but with a totally supportive manufacturer relationship and with it"
09:57:10Bagder:-]
09:57:10ricII|work:)
09:57:47Zagorcoffee time
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10:04:33dwihnoerps=
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10:40:34ricII|workyippie, I have an other rc for my archos (now I've to take care off shuffle)
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10:55:00Zagorah, so now we know why sourceforge pserver access was down
10:55:08Zagorhttp://security.e-matters.de/advisories/012003.html
10:55:12Bagderyeah
10:59:47Bagderpretty bad one that is
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11:00:49Zagoryeah
11:01:21Zagorhow is the status of subversion? might "we" (the unwashed public) be running it anytime soon?
11:02:53ricII|work?
11:03:05Bagderwe might
11:03:21Bagderit has taken somewhat longer than expected, I'd say, but its coming along
11:03:48Bagderthe SF-guys will probably offer svn once that gets stable enough
11:03:54Bagder(they've said so before)
11:03:59Zagoryup
11:04:18Bagdercurrently, the biggest problem with svn seems to be scalability and some performance issues
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12:27:55void_if there's a dir will the shuffle play anything in that dir?
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12:28:18Zagorvoid_: ?
12:28:35langhaarrockeronly the mp3 files
12:28:46void_ok so it won't play any other file type
12:28:57langhaarrockerwould be fun if rockbox played *.cfg files, too :)
12:29:03void_hehe
12:29:07void_that's cool
12:29:23void_Zagor: I'm copying some stuff (non-mp3s)
12:29:34void_just wondering if it'll play them by mistake or something
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12:54:23quelsarukmorning
12:54:34Bagdernas quelsaruk
12:54:38quelsaruk:)
12:54:46quelsarukhej Bagder
12:54:52Jet8810hey
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14:30:39Bagderinteresting sleep approach
14:31:10Zagorindeed
14:31:16Zagori'm writing a mail
14:31:38Bagderthis is almost the approach I once suggested that was flamed away :-)
14:32:06Bagderalthough this is a bit more naive
14:33:01ZagorI can't see how it works at all. he seems to be assuming all kind of code can run while in SLEEP mode
14:34:22Bagderno
14:34:39Zagorno?
14:34:40Bagderit assumes that if it goes one lap around with sleep_tread() it can SLEEP
14:34:54Zagorah, right I see now
14:34:56Bagderwhere only wake_up() resets the counter
14:35:13Bagderwhich is weird
14:35:40Bagderand not very accurate
14:36:35Zagornot exactly transparent to the code
14:36:36Zagorremind me, why did we flame you about your similar suggestion?
14:37:07Bagderbecause remaking the scheduler to a sorted list with sleep times is SO much better
14:37:16Zagoryes
14:37:29Bagderbut harder
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14:42:53bobTHChi all!
14:43:52Zagorhi bobTHC
14:45:12Zagorare we polling the MAS on the recorder too, or is it only player? anyone remember? :)
14:45:51Bagderwe're polling like mad on the player, but I don't think we do it on the recorder
14:46:21Zagoryeah, that's what I think too
14:46:38Bagderwe only poll the keyboard
14:47:16Zagorright. the keyboard poll is hard to avoid.
14:51:28Zagoralthough I could personally live with having to "wake up" the archos from low-power mode
14:52:17Bagderwell, the point of doing it automaticly would be to increase battery time
14:52:32Bagderwithout us noticing
14:52:48Zagoryes
14:53:32Zagori wonder if there is a "power cost" in switching between running and sleeping
14:53:46BagderI don't think so
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15:57:52*Bagder tries matsl's beta-version of his elisp hack
15:58:26Bagderworks nice
15:59:04langhaarrockerlisp? for rockbox?
15:59:14langhaarrocker-> count me out
15:59:24Bagderfor hacking on rockbox in emacs
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16:02:47kargatronanyone have a .ajz with the bookmark patch in? i want to use it, just not badly enough to go through working through the compile process. :)
16:03:18*Bagder has not
16:03:40kargatronguess i can email benjamin
16:08:39Bagdersounds like a start ;-)
16:10:48dwihnoMats and Kjell - the dymanic charset duo ;)
16:11:12Bagder:-)
16:17:05dwihnoA.k.a insane player team ;)
16:19:44elinenbe3I am going to compile up the bookmark patch in a few minutes.
16:20:13elinenbe3of course my builds always have a bunch of junk in them −− extra stuff I have been working on.
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16:28:19HesHi.
16:28:33Bagderhi hes
16:28:41HesI'm getting plenty of out-of-order, duplicate, and pretty slow delivery on the mailing list.
16:28:55Bagderit's being overloaded atm
16:29:11Bagderits being zagorized
16:29:17HesWhat kind of system you're running now for it?
16:29:27Bagderdual amd 1900
16:29:43Bagderbut Zagor's apartment swapping stuff kills it :-)
16:30:38HesHeh. What MTA?
16:31:09Bagdersendmail
16:31:10Zagorbrutal takedown right now. i think i'm being DOSed :-(
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16:31:56Hesand would you mind some help with it? I've ran some biggish ISP mail systems at Sonera.
16:32:17elinenbe3kill the apartment site, and just worry about rockbox.
16:32:28elinenbe3it is not as if that apartment site is as fun anyway!
16:32:53ZagorHes: can you make it live during load > 140? :-)
16:33:12langhaarrockerholy cow!
16:34:00HesHeh, maybe at least without duplicates & reordering 8-)
16:34:57Hesbut, seriously, I could offer the mailing list exploding service, or the whole list.
16:35:05Hesif that'd help.
16:35:09Zagorthe processes keep living, in Dead state. anyone know what that might me?
16:35:15Zagor30545 apache 19 19 34620 D N 0.8 1.9 0:00 ./byta3 all 17330 3 10
16:35:31Zagoror, uh, D is not dead. ignore me :-)
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16:38:17Hesit could be made transparently so that the list addresses wouldn't change.
16:39:38ZagorHes: i'm moving the apartment to another server tomorrow
16:39:43Zagorthe apartment site
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16:42:27langhaarrockeris he still in his appartment? :)
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16:44:13HesThat should help. sendmail isn't particularly good with handling large queues or mailing lists.
16:45:17Zagor_pretty much nothing is very good at this load...
16:45:27Hesyeah. 8-)
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16:47:22Zagorand on top i've got this "#¤%&/()(/&%¤ proxy that keeps me hanging every 2 minutes
16:47:30HesBut the offer for help stands, let me know if you want to offload the list to our boxes some day.
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16:55:29moofgooohi everyone, i have a small question about the usb cable for the jb6000. ive recently lost mine, can i use a generic 'usb a-male to a-male' cable. archos's faq says i shouldnt
16:57:38BagderI think you can, but I'm no export on this
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16:58:15Bagderexpert even
16:58:24Schnueffheh
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17:01:23moofgooota bagder, im having an unbeliveabley hard time trying to source an 'usb a/a' cable
17:01:48BagderI do think it has been mention on the rockbox list
17:01:54Bagdermentioned
17:02:07Bagderbut I haven't really been paying attention on those threads
17:03:02langhaarrockerI have three different kinds of usb cables for the jukebox. Each one works.
17:03:05moofgoooon the mailing list?, is there a searchable archive or it around, sorry, im new here, ill try not to ask too many dumb questions
17:03:50Bagderthe site is somewhat down atm, so you can't check it right now anyway
17:06:25moofgooothanks lang, sounds like a generic usb a/a does the biz then
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17:10:41moofgooo me too, thanx for the usb cable info all
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17:20:22elinenbe3ricII: how is the new playlist stuff coming along?
17:21:00ricIIit's working, now I'n on shuffle
17:21:23elinenbe3ricII: so what has been completed so far?
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17:21:52ricIIappend, insert, queue
17:23:01ricIIresume sould work but I suppect a prob. with the cvs version I based things on (settings aren't saved)
17:23:08elinenbe3ricII: sounds good.
17:23:25elinenbe3ricII: will there be any limit to the number of files in a directory anymore?
17:23:47elinenbe3ricII: do you think recursive play will soon be coming along?
17:23:53ricIIthats not up to the playlist code..
17:24:07elinenbe3ricII: ah...
17:24:46ricIIbut the uniform handling sould make features like that more easy..
17:25:13elinenbe3ricII: sounds great. I still don't understand the benefits of the re-written playlisting code?
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17:25:48ricIIelinenbe3 it implements dynamic changes to the playlist
17:26:36ricIImore like the bigger brother of queing
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17:28:40elinenbe3ricII: Well, append, insert, and queue are really nice functions however.
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17:28:44ricIIso all the tree code has to do is step trough the directories and say append(song) for each mp3
17:28:57elinenbericII: that is nice.
17:29:22elinenbericII: I would love to be able to append, insert, or queue songs at will... that would be sweet :)
17:30:38Zagorgotta go
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17:32:51ricIIelinenbeL when I figured out why settings aren't saved (& fix it) you could try my ajbrec.ajz (shuffle doesn't work yet)
17:34:25elinenbericII: are you able to select a song/directory in the broswer and then choose if you want to insert/queue/append?
17:34:56ricIIonly songs now (dirs are tree.c)
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17:38:00Nibblerhmmm
17:38:03elinenbericII: sounds great. I would love to try it out. If you wouldn't mind email it to me at elinenbe at umich dot edu
17:38:13quelsarukhi
17:38:39Nibbleri just read on the feature-request page that enqueueing of files is supported already, but i was not able to figure out how it works (firmware 2 days old now)
17:39:03elinenbeNibbler: when browsing press on and play at the same time.
17:39:12elinenbea quick screen will come up.
17:39:31Nibblerheh, not easy to find out about all those nice new features :]
17:39:35Nibblerty
17:39:53ricIIthats where I removed 'delete' and added 'append' & 'insert'
17:41:01Nibblerelinenbe: also answered my other question "how to axx file-operations" :)
17:41:30Nibblerric: sounds nice, and more logical to have the queue functions at one place, and not mixed with deletion of file :)
17:41:43elinenbericII: I like that alot.
17:41:49elinenbericII: so much! :)
17:42:04elinenbewell, I have to go now −− off to LinuxWorld!
17:42:11NibblerricII: but with your patch applied shuffling is disabled at all?
17:42:16Nibblerhf elinenbe
17:42:41ricIIif I could only understand why my settings aren't saved (works in the sim)
17:43:35Nibbleri'm too n00b to understand this all :|
17:44:02Nibblerbut i think i'll hear embedded systems lessons next semester :D
17:44:17ricIINibbler: did do anything for it, so resume would shuffle wrong in any case & append just puts it at the end..
17:44:20elinenbericII: if you look at the latest bookmarking patch by benjamin, then you can see how he uses files to save his settings.
17:44:26ricIIs/did/didn't
17:45:37ricIIit sould be stored in the rtc (where queue info was stored)
17:47:26Nibbleri c
17:47:47Nibbleroh
17:48:04Nibblerwith current shuffling it is not possible to create a reasonable playlist
17:48:19Nibbleras all files from the first directory are always appended at the end?
17:48:36Nibblers/shuffling/queueing
17:49:18ricIIyes, just because I didn't look into it. I have a stragegy in mind...
17:50:28ricIIfor shuffle that is..
17:53:55Nibblerconsidering shuffle queue building is not as trivial as i thought it might be
17:55:26ricIIthe realy hard part is mid-play shuffle in a partial dynamicly build playlist..
17:56:08ricIIwhich ofcourse needs the be reconstructed on resume..
17:56:11Nibblerhmmmm, i guess the build queue is stored in some temp. file or smth
17:56:36ricIIyes kinda like the .queue file
17:56:53Nibblerbut where is the difference to not-mid-play (so at beginning of play) shuffle in partial dynamicly build playlists?
17:56:59Nibbleryep thought so...
17:59:26ricIImid-play-shuffle shuffles my memory :)
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18:00:26Nibbleryour memory or your jukebox' memory?
18:00:54ricII(both :) ) not the file, but I could save the shuffle position ....
18:02:49Nibblermaybe i see this too-simple, but why not just take the currently played track as track1 of the shuffled list and shuffle the other files just somehow normall :]
18:04:28ricIIif I want the append to work like just put it somewhere after the playing song (in shuffle mode) I need to be able to restore this situation on resume
18:06:29Nibbleri read that the playlist is reshuffled using the saved seed of the original shuffle
18:06:52Nibblerbut why not just save the resulting playlist of the shuffle/inserts/enqueues?
18:07:15ricII10.000 filenames ?
18:07:27ricIIon power down?
18:08:12ricIIwith potentialy already empty batteries
18:11:18Nibblerhrm, copress it, so its only 100k file
18:12:06ricII12mhz cpu, and I also need to read the filenames from disk
18:12:27Nibblernot sure yet, if i enqueue a file in the current version, what is done?
18:12:37Nibbleris there no .queue file modified for that?
18:12:58ricIIit filename is saved in /.rockbox/.queue
18:13:53ricIIappend to it, queue index counters are incressed..
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18:14:19ricIIoffset is save in a seperate indices array..
18:14:30Nibbleroffset = current track?
18:14:52ricIIno start position of filename (string) in .queue
18:15:10Nibblerkk
18:15:56Nibblerso with your patch, if u insert a track u have to rewrite whole .queue and also the offset file?
18:16:07Nibbleras its not appended at the end
18:16:24ricIIno... it append to the file, but with some more info
18:17:18ricIII call it .playlist.patches ...
18:17:54Nibblerah ic
18:18:06ricIIresume replays this file and uses the extra info to restore the indices
18:18:19Nibblerand u do this as rewriting whole file would be too energy consumpting
18:18:40Nibbler?
18:19:12ricIIpartly, it can also take a long time. I even don't truncate it limiting fragmentation
18:20:01ricIII keep a pointer in rtc until where it's valid..
18:20:23webmind_ej ric
18:20:36ricIIhi webmind, how is y'r hd?
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18:21:58ricIItogether with the current-index, seed orginal m3u (could be none) from rtc I sould be able to restore all
18:22:02webmind_kinda dead eh..
18:22:24Nibblerwhat is rtc (if not real time clock?)
18:22:53ricIIindeed but it has some extra memory witch is put to use by rockbox
18:23:10Nibblerah lol :]
18:24:14ricIII even need to save less info than the original queing..
18:25:17ricIIand much less memory for the playlist code
18:26:19Nibblerwell, then get shuffling done \o/ :]
18:27:13ricIIfirst I want to see normal resume working :(
18:29:38*Nibbler goes downloading the source... not hoping to understand anything :)
18:30:00webmind_ricII, u at vt100 this week ?
18:31:19ricIImaybe next Thu
18:32:58webmind_next? hmk
18:34:19ricII2 days
18:34:34ricIIcomming..
18:36:18webmind_ah k
18:36:27webmind_me there end of the day prolly
18:36:43ricIIok
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20:05:26ricIIwhy is rtc data n0t loaded ? (I see the proper values in debug-rtc, they aren't set to 0xff)
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20:16:49jeff1hi all, one idiot question : can I format archos drive in NTFS ? would rockbox support it ?
20:16:59Bagderno
20:16:59NibbIer1) u can
20:17:04NibbIer2) rockbox wont support it
20:17:09Bagderhehe, right
20:17:16NibbIerand so wont the archos soft
20:17:31Bagderyou partition it and make the first partition fat32 for rockbox and have the other ntfs
20:17:39Bagderyou can even
20:17:41jeff1only fat32 and MAC file system, so ?
20:17:49Bagderonly fat32
20:17:50NibbIeronly fat32 at all
20:18:42jeff1ok thanks folk
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20:26:41Hadakaoo
20:26:47HadakaHFS support for rockbox ;)
20:27:20ricIIhorible file system...
20:27:51NibbIerlol
20:29:03*NibbIer wants rockbox to understand links
20:29:19Bagderthere are no links in fat32
20:29:23NibbIerwell
20:29:26NibbIernot really
20:29:30NibbIerbut .lnk files
20:29:33Bagderthey're windows-weirdos
20:29:37NibbIeri know
20:29:42NibbIernothing to do with fat32
20:29:47NibbIerbut a good fs has links
20:29:51NibbIerand i want links :)
20:29:57NibbIeras they are more than usefull
20:29:58Bagderwe don't have a good fs :-)
20:30:02NibbIerhehe
20:30:08NibbIershame on M$
20:30:09Bagderwell, post the patch!
20:30:19NibbIerheh, i posted feature request today :D
20:30:31ricIImake it jornalin...g
20:30:37NibbIer:]
20:30:51Bagderjfat32!
20:30:56NibbIer:D
20:31:06NibbIernot too many writes are done on my jukebox :D
20:31:12Bagderor is it fat33 as ext2 went ext3? ;-)
20:31:18NibbIerhihi
20:32:05NibbIerso ext3 is 3bit-fs?
20:32:31Bagderyeah, and ext2 was 2bit
20:32:37NibbIer:þ
20:34:02ricII2bit is the mininum...
20:34:35ricIIor it would turn in a serial-port
20:34:39NibbIer:)
20:35:03NibbIerrofl
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20:37:08ricIIcould it be there was a load_settings() bug in cvs ~2week ago ?
20:37:42Bagdercould be
20:38:19ricIII see the settings in rtc but they arn't applied..
20:38:51Bagderso didn't the code change and it obsoleted the old rtc?
20:38:56ricIIif they where rejected they sould contain 0xff not?
20:39:24Bagderwhy would they be oxff then?
20:39:29BagderI don't think they would
20:40:12ricIIif ( !correct ) { init_config_buffer();
20:40:23Bagderand that sets them to 0xff?
20:40:39ricIIwait, this isn't saved until I change something...
20:42:53ricIIbut still changing the contrast sould save the hole block.. and they still there..
20:43:51ricIIif I had the signal converters I would serial-mod my archos now..
20:44:14Bagderyeah, that would indeed help understanding things
20:44:30ricIIsimulator does it properly..
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