| 00:00:03 | Galik | l8er peeps. I off 4 a bit.. |
| 00:00:04 | BoD[] | well that yes |
| 00:00:09 | LinusN | Galik: cu |
| 00:00:11 | tracktheripper | seeya Galik |
| 00:00:19 | BoD[] | but a lot of echo |
| 00:00:20 | tracktheripper | yeah I have to go as well |
| 00:00:23 | BoD[] | and too much bass |
| 00:00:26 | tracktheripper | Nice to talk to you Linus |
| 00:00:34 | LinusN | tracktheripper: will you be around? |
| 00:00:35 | tracktheripper | All the best |
| 00:00:58 | tracktheripper | Should be back on midnight UK time |
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| 00:01:15 | LinusN | 1hr? |
| 00:01:21 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 00:01:36 | LinusN | cu then |
| 00:01:37 | tracktheripper | ill see you then Linus |
| 00:01:39 | tracktheripper | in an hours time |
| 00:01:44 | tracktheripper | Nice to meet you for the first time :) |
| 00:02:04 | tracktheripper | Don't work too hard trying to fix the "Auto Voice Transcriber" request! :-) |
| 00:02:04 | LinusN | :-) |
| 00:02:18 | LinusN | tracktheripper: oh, i have been pulling my hair with that one |
| 00:02:22 | LinusN | :-) |
| 00:02:46 | tracktheripper | lol To be honest it was onlly meant as a joke that request :-) |
| 00:03:03 | LinusN | nevr say never :-) |
| 00:03:07 | tracktheripper | anyways ill see u later :-) |
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| 00:06:30 | BoD[] | i still have hardware problems with my unit |
| 00:06:46 | BoD[] | it reboots for no reason in the middle of songs |
| 00:07:06 | BoD[] | and out of waranty.. i can't do anything now:( |
| 00:07:36 | BoD[] | i'm cursed |
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| 00:13:46 | LinusN | BoD[]: i wish i could help you |
| 00:14:03 | BoD[] | :) noone can help me now |
| 00:14:05 | LinusN | BoD[]: i assume that you have tried toresolder the battery connectors |
| 00:14:25 | BoD[] | hummmm ... no i did not try anything :) |
| 00:14:35 | BoD[] | resolder ? |
| 00:14:43 | LinusN | can you make it happen by squeezing the bumpers? |
| 00:16:28 | BoD[] | I guess so |
| 00:16:52 | adi|work | Linus how is your wife feeling these days? |
| 00:17:09 | BoD[] | well in fact i can make it *start* by squeezing the bumpers (when it's off) :) is it normal ? |
| 00:17:30 | LinusN | BoD[]: not really |
| 00:17:35 | LinusN | i had that with my player as well |
| 00:18:04 | LinusN | bad soldering of the battery connectors |
| 00:18:12 | LinusN | adi|work: same same... |
| 00:23:01 | BoD[] | i'll look at it |
| 00:23:16 | LinusN | open it and look at the solderings |
| 00:23:24 | LinusN | also the springs |
| 00:23:59 | BoD[] | ok.. but i'm not a "solder" man :) i've never solder anything |
| 00:24:11 | LinusN | BoD[]: no HW friends? |
| 00:24:46 | BoD[] | hmm my sister's man.; but they live in uk (and i live in france) |
| 00:25:17 | LinusN | if you live near Toulouse you can ask my father to fix is for you :-) |
| 00:26:02 | BoD[] | really ? :) why, does he live here ? |
| 00:26:16 | LinusN | warmer and nicer than sweden :-) |
| 00:27:25 | BoD[] | true |
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| 00:53:26 | adi|work | i do hope she feels better mate |
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| 00:53:45 | tracktheripper | Hi Linus |
| 00:54:02 | LinusN | hi |
| 00:54:13 | tracktheripper | yea I did say i'd return :-) |
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| 00:55:11 | tracktheripper | whats the latest? |
| 00:55:22 | LinusN | nothing, i guess |
| 00:55:33 | LinusN | i am not working on rockbox at the moment |
| 00:55:51 | tracktheripper | oh right |
| 00:55:58 | tracktheripper | Wheres Zagor these days? |
| 00:57:15 | LinusN | i don't know, i guess he's busy |
| 00:57:24 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 00:57:31 | tracktheripper | haven't had much of a chance to chat to him |
| 00:58:43 | tracktheripper | Can you tweak the firmware just using Notepad/ |
| 00:58:51 | tracktheripper | ? |
| 00:59:22 | LinusN | hehe, you mean change the executable code |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:08 | LinusN | notepad will not do, i guess |
| 01:00:10 | tracktheripper | yea thats right |
| 01:00:14 | tracktheripper | awwwwwww |
| 01:00:31 | LinusN | but emacs, or a hex editor would work |
| 01:00:49 | LinusN | but you'll have to recalculate the scrambling and the checksum..... |
| 01:05:23 | BoD[] | btw, did you hear about the new archos model ? |
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| 01:06:19 | LinusN | BoD[]: new model? |
| 01:06:24 | LinusN | hardeep: hi |
| 01:06:30 | BoD[] | they showed it at the cebit |
| 01:06:31 | hardeep | hello |
| 01:06:39 | BoD[] | it's like the multimedia but with a big screen |
| 01:06:45 | tracktheripper | in that case Linus ill stick to bug reporting! |
| 01:08:41 | LinusN | BoD[]: ah, k00l |
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| 01:08:48 | LinusN | tracktheripper: come on, it's not that hard |
| 01:09:14 | BoD[] | yeah k00l :) |
| 01:09:42 | tracktheripper | if I can get the bleeding software to work then yes :) |
| 01:10:28 | LinusN | tracktheripper: how far did you come with the cygwin stuff? |
| 01:10:39 | tracktheripper | not very. Ill tell you what Linus |
| 01:10:54 | tracktheripper | if I give you my email address can you email me step by step what I need to do? |
| 01:10:58 | tracktheripper | please? |
| 01:13:09 | BoD[] | let him take control of your computer ;) |
| 01:13:13 | BoD[] | he'll do it for you |
| 01:13:24 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 01:18:38 | tracktheripper | would GNUSH work to compile Rockbox? |
| 01:22:18 | hardeep | tracktheripper: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/sh-win/ for instructions on how to complie using GNUSH |
| 01:22:26 | hardeep | personally, I prefer cygwin |
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| 01:23:04 | hardeep | follow the instructions at http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html to get a cygwin environment setup |
| 01:23:09 | tracktheripper | oh ok |
| 01:23:20 | tracktheripper | Hardeep is it easy writing code for the Archos? |
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| 01:24:00 | hardeep | tracktheripper: have you ever programmed in C? |
| 01:24:21 | tracktheripper | Ive havent programmed in my life |
| 01:26:20 | hardeep | then I wouldn't say it's easy... it's certainly not difficult but you're going to have to learn some basic C programming before you can start working on rockbox |
| 01:26:45 | tracktheripper | oohhhhhhhh right |
| 01:26:53 | tracktheripper | :( |
| 01:28:31 | tracktheripper | cheers for ur help though |
| 01:28:32 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 01:28:39 | hardeep | i'm sure there are many tutorials online that you can begin with... or buy a book |
| 01:28:59 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 01:29:54 | BoD[] | try to make a "clock" |
| 01:30:06 | BoD[] | it's a good way to start coding |
| 01:30:08 | LinusN | tracktheripper: problem is, that C programming in an embedded environment (not in a PC) is even more difficult, since you need to know lots of shit about the hardware as well |
| 01:30:19 | tracktheripper | ohhhhh |
| 01:30:26 | tracktheripper | well in that case I may as well throw in the towel :-( |
| 01:30:38 | LinusN | still, it's not all that hard, and very very fun |
| 01:31:06 | tracktheripper | im sure it is, but for mere mortals like me who know nothing about programming |
| 01:32:23 | tracktheripper | Didn't an older version of Rockbox have an analogue clock in the interface? |
| 01:33:06 | LinusN | there is one in the demo menu |
| 01:33:22 | LinusN | in the Bounce demo |
| 01:33:44 | BoD[] | you may first try to make a clock for your os .. just to learn C :) |
| 01:33:47 | tracktheripper | yeah cheers |
| 01:33:49 | tracktheripper | can see it |
| 01:34:06 | BoD[] | a clock or anything anyway... |
| 01:34:30 | tracktheripper | well if I can learn C ill get my Auto Voice Transcriber to work!!! |
| 01:34:35 | tracktheripper | ((laughs his head off!)) |
| 01:34:38 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:34:50 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 01:34:58 | BoD[] | maybe why not :) |
| 01:35:51 | tracktheripper | Seriously if I could get this programming lark to work I'd add ID3 tag management into Rockbox |
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| 01:37:47 | Galik | Hi |
| 01:37:51 | LinusN | hi |
| 01:38:03 | Galik | What time of day do the 'daily builds' get updated? |
| 01:38:20 | LinusN | i think 6am swedish time |
| 01:38:30 | Galik | k |
| 01:38:42 | Galik | How far is sweeded ahead of the uk? |
| 01:38:42 | tracktheripper | Linus why not add an option to show the date in the WPS? |
| 01:38:52 | Galik | sweeded=sweeden |
| 01:38:53 | LinusN | but the bleeding edge builds are made every 20 minutes |
| 01:39:07 | Galik | ahhh thnx i'll use that then |
| 01:39:34 | LinusN | tracktheripper: sure |
| 01:40:23 | tracktheripper | Just a suggestion |
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| 01:41:18 | LinusN | tracktheripper: file a feature request if there isn't one already |
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| 01:41:35 | tracktheripper | ive already done that Linus |
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| 01:43:09 | BrianHH | Hi, all. When I boot my Jukebox 10 player, it displays the standard "Jukebox, Ver 5.08", but then it goes right to "HD Error". I've tried getting into it through USB to reformat, but it's not recognized as a drive at this point. Is there anything else I can do, short of sending it back? |
| 01:43:39 | LinusN | BrianHH: any idea how or when it became like that? |
| 01:44:31 | BrianHH | LinusN: I plugged it in to charge last night, and when I woke up this morning and looked at it, the error was there. |
| 01:45:14 | LinusN | BrianHH: did you run it to the very end before that? |
| 01:46:10 | BrianHH | LinusN: I've had it about a month. The first few times I charged it, I let it run until the empty battery started blinking, but I haven't been letting it run down that low for awhile. |
| 01:46:27 | LinusN | sounds like your hard disk has been locked |
| 01:46:37 | LinusN | take a look at this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/lock.html |
| 01:48:28 | tracktheripper | when is version 2.0 coming? |
| 01:48:53 | LinusN | i think it will take another few weeks |
| 01:49:54 | tracktheripper | Just wondered what will be included not present in version 1.4 |
| 01:50:11 | LinusN | recording, queue, playlist building...and more |
| 01:50:20 | LinusN | file handling |
| 01:50:26 | BrianHH | LinusN: Thanks for the link. The error I'm getting doesn't say anything about "Part.", though. It's just the normal "HD Error" message. Do you still think that's it? |
| 01:50:35 | LinusN | not sure |
| 01:50:39 | tracktheripper | oh right. No timestretching or auto voice transcriber? (JOKE!!!!) |
| 01:50:40 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 01:51:07 | LinusN | BrianHH: any strange noises? |
| 01:51:31 | Galik | tracktheripper: Just curious. Why do you want timestretching? |
| 01:51:55 | LinusN | Galik: it would be soooo cool for DJ:ing |
| 01:52:14 | tracktheripper | because I like to slow some songs to identify hard-to-understand lyrics |
| 01:52:24 | tracktheripper | in some songs |
| 01:52:32 | LinusN | two recorders in a case, a hell of a portable DJ equipment |
| 01:52:33 | Galik | lol good point! |
| 01:52:39 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 01:52:42 | BrianHH | LinusN: When I was charging it, it kinda made a humming noise, but right now I'm not getting any noises at all from it. It doesn't even sound like the hard drive's coming on. Usually, I can feel it vibrate when I turn it on. Now - nothing. |
| 01:52:52 | tracktheripper | I had a Creative Labs Nomad that can timestretch |
| 01:52:59 | LinusN | BrianHH: sounds like your batteries are fried |
| 01:53:34 | LinusN | did you get a spare set with the player? |
| 01:54:48 | BrianHH | LinusN: No. It only came with one set (the one in the player). and I don't have any allen wrenches to get the thing apart, either. I guess I can just get it repaired. It's still under warranty, but I threw away the packaging like 2 weeks ago... |
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| 01:55:47 | LinusN | BrianHH: wrenches? |
| 01:56:09 | BrianHH | LinusN: I just noticed that when I turn it on, it makes a small sound like a beep or a squeak (I'm not sure which). |
| 01:56:14 | LinusN | you don't need any tools to access the batteries |
| 01:56:26 | BrianHH | LinusN: How do I get to the batteries? |
| 01:56:37 | LinusN | well, maybe an ordinary screwdriver |
| 01:57:06 | BrianHH | LinusN: I see the things you're supposed to use, I think. Do I put the screwdriver in one side at a time? |
| 01:57:10 | LinusN | the covers are removeable, look at the small notch between the display panel and the cover |
| 01:57:50 | LinusN | bend the cover off slightly with a screwdriver |
| 01:59:08 | BrianHH | Okay. I've gotta go get a screwdriver. brb. |
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| 02:03:16 | Galik | This battery problem of the FM rec. Is it just a the level that's miss reportes that causes it to shut down? |
| 02:03:36 | Galik | I mean could I jimmy the code to always report full battery as a quick fix? |
| 02:04:13 | LinusN | Galik: we believe that it shuts down because Rockbox tries to start the charging |
| 02:04:21 | | Part BrianHH ("I like core dumps") |
| 02:04:45 | LinusN | and it seems the charging is not s/w controlled on the fm recorder |
| 02:04:50 | Galik | Well if I gimmy the battery level function will rockbox just never start the charging? |
| 02:05:02 | LinusN | Galik: i believe so |
| 02:05:35 | Galik | Cos if I know it's full then it should be safe :) |
| 02:05:37 | LinusN | Galik: the latest bleeding edge should work |
| 02:05:44 | Galik | I using it now |
| 02:05:56 | LinusN | and it's shutting down? |
| 02:05:56 | Galik | Reporting Battery 32% at startup :( |
| 02:06:05 | Galik | I know it's full tho |
| 02:06:16 | Galik | It's playing at the moment |
| 02:06:31 | LinusN | Galik: so why change the battery reporting code? |
| 02:06:55 | Galik | Because it thinks it's 30% but it's really at 100% |
| 02:07:16 | Galik | So it won't play for as long |
| 02:07:22 | Galik | i guess? |
| 02:07:25 | LinusN | i call that a minor problem compared to shutting off the device :-) |
| 02:07:46 | Galik | hehe |
| 02:07:46 | LinusN | Galik: rockbox does not care about the battery level |
| 02:07:59 | LinusN | it will play until it dies |
| 02:08:36 | Galik | n1 then 4 me rockbox is a goer!! Thnx to the team :) |
| 02:08:47 | LinusN | you're welcome |
| 02:10:03 | Galik | Now I have a vested interest at last I may start looking at the code... |
| 02:11:28 | LinusN | great |
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| 02:25:13 | Galik | what is sh-elf-gcc? Where do I get it? |
| 02:26:15 | LinusN | it is the C compiler for the SH1 processor |
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| 02:26:38 | LinusN | you either download it or you build it |
| 02:26:58 | BrianHH | I hope every single person on Archos's support staff rots in a firey hell.... |
| 02:27:08 | BoD[] | it's 2:27 guys |
| 02:27:13 | BoD[] | time to go to bed ;) |
| 02:28:10 | LinusN | Galik: windows? then read http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html |
| 02:28:27 | Galik | nope Linux |
| 02:28:40 | LinusN | BrianHH: nice wording :-) |
| 02:29:02 | BrianHH | LinusN: Good thing I'm feeling polite tonight. ;) |
| 02:29:26 | BrianHH | How long are these f*ckwits gonna keep me on hold? |
| 02:30:59 | LinusN | BrianHH: a busy support line is never a good sign :-) |
| 02:31:18 | LinusN | always call the support before you buy a product |
| 02:31:37 | LinusN | then you get an idea of how much problem they have with their products :-) |
| 02:32:05 | BrianHH | LinusN: I'm beginning to think I should just take the thing apart and void my warranty so I can replace the hard drive. It's pretty obvious I'm not going to get any support from these dipshits. |
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| 02:34:03 | LinusN | BrianHH: i'm still not sure it's the hd |
| 02:34:03 | LinusN | i'd start with replacing the batteries |
| 02:34:38 | Galik | Call the sales department and get them to transfer u to support |
| 02:34:47 | Galik | Sales always answer quicker |
| 02:35:03 | Galik | And want to get rid of u if thay won't sell anything |
| 02:53:32 | Galik | nn peeps |
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| 03:05:45 | BrianHH | Hi, LinusN. I got off the phone w/ them a little while ago. They said it was probably the batteries. I went out and bought new ones. I put the odds of them working at about 10 to 1... |
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| 03:07:33 | LinusN | BrianHH: the fact that the disk doesn't spin up is a sure sign of battery death |
| 03:07:47 | LinusN | BrianHH: what type of batteries did you buy? |
| 03:08:32 | BrianHH | LinusN: I bought Duracell NiMH batteries. I paid too much, though, 'cause I also had to buy the charger. (I wanted to try to resolve this tonight.) |
| 03:09:13 | BrianHH | LinusN: I hope you're right. I guess I'll wait the 6 or 8 hours or whatever it is and see if that makes a difference. |
| 03:09:16 | LinusN | 1500mAh? or more? |
| 03:09:28 | BrianHH | LinusN: 1600mAh |
| 03:09:48 | BrianHH | The tech support guy said the unit can take up to 1800mAh |
| 03:10:13 | LinusN | i had a bad cell a few months ago in my player |
| 03:10:35 | LinusN | strange clicking noises while the hard drive repeatedly tried to spin up |
| 03:10:57 | BrianHH | LinusN: Mine makes whirring noises... |
| 03:11:44 | LinusN | BrianHH: any explanations why >1800 isn't supported? |
| 03:12:28 | BrianHH | LinusN: No idea. I'm guessing something could get fried if you make the batteries too strong? |
| 03:13:14 | LinusN | BrianHH: i guess their charging algorithm isn't made for larger cells |
| 03:13:46 | LinusN | rockbox should handle larger cells well |
| 03:14:26 | BrianHH | LinusN: As long as the larger batteries don't fry anything, maybe I'll try them... |
| 03:14:53 | BrianHH | Now I've gotta wait 6 hours to see if this works. |
| 03:16:32 | LinusN | BrianHH: a long wait... |
| 03:17:17 | s0be | LinusN: The only thing that the 1600/1800 affects is how long the batteries last. It's possible that the more than 1800 operate a bit out of spec and provide 1.7 volts or more and that would amass to nearly 7 volts, which would be a 'bad thing' if you don't have a 5v voltage regulator in something |
| 03:17:22 | BrianHH | LinusN: I'm tempted to check in 3 hours before I go to bed and see how it's doing, but I doubt that'll be good for it... |
| 03:17:57 | s0be | crap, I stopped lurking... back to lurk mode |
| 03:19:34 | BrianHH | Or else I could just put the other 2 batteries I bought in the 5-hour charger they came with. :) |
| 03:20:16 | LinusN | you bought 6 batteries? |
| 03:21:22 | BrianHH | LinusN: I bought 4. Oops....forgot about the other side! LOL. :) brb. |
| 03:32:53 | BrianHH | One thing that makes me kinda suspicious is that when I turn it on, it doesn't shut off. I would think that if it was a battery problem, that initial screen would blink out quickly. Instead, I have to shut the thing off manually. It doesn't even go off by itself. |
| 03:34:43 | LinusN | maybe the Archos error handling code doesn't start the poweroff timer |
| 03:35:51 | BrianHH | That could be it. I'm just hoping that 6 hours from now I have a working player. I couldn't even hook it up to the AC to use the hard drive. |
| 03:36:36 | BrianHH | That's the other thing I don't understand: If it's a battery problem, I would think you would be able to operate it with the adapter... |
| 03:37:00 | LinusN | no you can't |
| 03:37:22 | LinusN | the AC adapter can't deliver the current needed for the drive to spin up |
| 03:37:54 | BrianHH | LinusN: Oh, okay. That explains it. Thanks. :) |
| 03:38:47 | LinusN | it barely handles the current needed to keep it spinning, so some people experience that their batteries drain when USB'ing even with the adapter attached |
| 03:39:39 | BrianHH | LinusN: I was using the USB part a lot, since I was dumping all my CD's on to the player.... |
| 03:41:01 | LinusN | that shouldn't kill the batteries, though |
| 03:41:32 | LinusN | i just love the USB2.0 interface of the Recorder :-) |
| 03:41:45 | BrianHH | Well, considering that that's what it's built for, I should hope it wouldn't hurt the batteries. :) |
| 03:42:14 | BrianHH | LinusN: I was going to get the recorder, but I decided to go cheap. 10 gigs is pretty much just like having your own personal radio, anyway. ;) |
| 03:42:15 | LinusN | i guess you got a set of flaky batteries with your unit |
| 03:42:31 | LinusN | i have 40 in my recorder |
| 03:42:56 | BrianHH | LinusN: You did the hack with a notebook drive? |
| 03:43:22 | LinusN | almost any 9.5mm 2.5" drive will work |
| 03:43:44 | Jet8810 | almost? |
| 03:43:45 | Jet8810 | :) |
| 03:43:57 | LinusN | well, some drives are a little power hungry |
| 03:44:39 | BrianHH | I just hope that at the end of 6 hours I have a workable unit again. That's all I ask. (Well, that, and that the data's still there. ;)) |
| 03:44:42 | LinusN | but most drives will work just fine |
| 03:44:51 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 03:45:17 | BrianHH | One day, when I get brave (and my warranty has expired) maybe I'll try a larger drive. :) |
| 03:45:47 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 03:47:31 | BrianHH | I give their tech support a 5 out of 10. They seemed knowledgeable, but getting through to them was like pulling teeth....by way of your ass..! |
| 03:50:32 | BrianHH | Is it okay to let the player charge when it's not in use (but before it's empty)? |
| 03:51:19 | LinusN | generally, every charge cycle wears down your batteries |
| 03:51:33 | LinusN | especially if they get hot |
| 03:52:08 | BrianHH | So I guess the fact that I could use mine to fry an egg this morning was probably a bad sign, huh? :) |
| 03:52:09 | LinusN | however, as far as i know, the Player charge rate is pretty harmless |
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| 03:52:52 | LinusN | the Player models have no way of stopping the charging when the batteries are full |
| 03:53:07 | LinusN | so they will keep on charging forever |
| 03:53:24 | BrianHH | Even after they display "Battery Charged"? |
| 03:53:31 | LinusN | yes |
| 03:53:57 | BrianHH | Uh oh....Guess I'm getting up at 3 am to unplug it, then. ;) |
| 03:54:07 | LinusN | don't worry |
| 03:54:26 | LinusN | as long as you don't charge for several days, you should be ok |
| 03:55:14 | BrianHH | Oh, okay. Thanks. :) |
| 03:55:29 | BrianHH | I really didn't wanna get up at 3 am. ;) |
| 03:55:29 | LinusN | the recorder models, however, have s/w controlled charging |
| 03:56:47 | BrianHH | I guess I'm a little behind the times. :) |
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| 04:05:54 | LinusN | i wish i knew why some people get 0-length files when recording |
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| 04:12:15 | LinusN | time to go to bed, it's 4am here |
| 04:12:57 | LinusN | nite all |
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| 05:15:02 | Kshain | someone for the love of god help me. What does *PANIC* ATA -1 and -2 mean? |
| 05:15:42 | hardeep | Kshain: It's a countdown to when your JB is going to explode... RUN! |
| 05:16:07 | Kshain | please tell me your joking |
| 05:16:15 | hardeep | =) |
| 05:16:48 | hardeep | yeah, an ATA error means there is something wrong with the file i/o |
| 05:16:59 | hardeep | what are you doing when the error occurs? |
| 05:17:12 | Kshain | trying to start my jukebox up |
| 05:17:51 | hardeep | hmmmm, remove rockbox from your system... does it boot up then? |
| 05:17:57 | Kshain | heres the current scenario: I have something wrong where my jukebox freezes whenever I am half way through a song |
| 05:18:11 | Kshain | then when I turn it on, I get a HD error flag |
| 05:18:26 | hardeep | that sounds an awful lot like a problem with your hard drive |
| 05:18:30 | Kshain | every once in a while, I get a panic ata -1 or -2 flag |
| 05:18:41 | hardeep | have you run scandisk on it? |
| 05:18:47 | Kshain | many times |
| 05:18:58 | Kshain | nothing happens. I have some bad sectors, but thats about it |
| 05:23:59 | Kshain | I just proceeded in voiding my warranty by taking my archos apart, so Im a nervous wreck |
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| 05:27:24 | hardeep | Zagor's the one to ask about what exactly the errors mean but they're during disk initialization which likely means somsething seriously wrong with the drive |
| 05:27:45 | hardeep | have you tried re-formatting the hard drive? |
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| 05:33:10 | Kshain | yes. Ive repartioned it and everything |
| 05:33:34 | Kshain | what exactly could be wrong with the drive??? |
| 05:38:42 | hardeep | unfortunately, it could be a hardware problem |
| 05:39:21 | hardeep | you can try putting another hard drive in it to see if the problem still occurs |
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| 05:39:36 | hardeep | oh, check the connectors first... maybe something's loose |
| 05:39:44 | Kshain | connector? |
| 05:39:53 | Kshain | which ones? |
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| 05:42:00 | hardeep | the one connecting your hard drive to the JB |
| 05:42:22 | hardeep | oh, another thing that may be worth checking is the batteries |
| 05:42:35 | hardeep | maybe the hard drive isn't getting enough power to properly startup |
| 05:42:51 | Kshain | Ive tried two sets of batteries |
| 05:44:58 | Kshain | as far as the new hdrive solution, if i could only find someone with an extra harddrive.... |
| 05:47:22 | Kshain | damn |
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| 08:18:22 | calpefrosch | morning |
| 08:18:35 | calpefrosch | ricII: did you write the new playlist code ? |
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| 08:43:15 | Nibbler | is there new playlist code in latest builds?? |
| 08:43:58 | dwihno | don't think so |
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| 08:48:04 | dwihno | Welcome back, Zagor! :) |
| 08:48:11 | * | Zagor bows |
| 08:48:12 | dwihno | I got my USB2 card yesterday! :) |
| 08:48:29 | dwihno | It's so damn speedy! (well, at least compared to USB1.1) :) |
| 08:49:12 | Zagor | yup |
| 08:49:45 | calpefrosch | morning |
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| 09:46:28 | bobTHC | hi all |
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| 09:49:54 | LinusN | hey Zagor_ |
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| 09:50:00 | Zagor | hi |
| 09:50:31 | LinusN | are the source tarballs created correctly since the major include file move? |
| 09:50:48 | Zagor | no. i just fixed that. |
| 09:50:52 | LinusN | ok |
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| 09:58:25 | dwihno | Hi Linus! :D |
| 09:58:38 | LinusN | hi |
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| 09:59:17 | quelsaruk | hej! |
| 09:59:52 | LinusN | hello, spain |
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| 10:00:22 | quelsaruk | hey! |
| 10:00:30 | quelsaruk | good morning linus ghost! |
| 10:00:33 | * | dwihno thinks Linus sounds like one of those eurovision song contest hosts :-) |
| 10:00:49 | quelsaruk | spain 3 points |
| 10:00:50 | quelsaruk | ohhhhh |
| 10:00:52 | quelsaruk | btw |
| 10:00:59 | dwihno | Wasn't Dana International spanish? |
| 10:01:06 | quelsaruk | this year... spain will be the last one in eurovision |
| 10:01:11 | LinusN | dwihno: that was actually my intention |
| 10:01:39 | quelsaruk | nonon |
| 10:01:45 | quelsaruk | dana international is from israel |
| 10:01:55 | quelsaruk | we have even worst people |
| 10:02:28 | dwihno | Linus: then you were quite successful :-) I'm getting my new disk shortly btw :D |
| 10:03:24 | LinusN | dwihno: nice |
| 10:05:31 | dwihno | :-D |
| 10:22:42 | langhaarrocker | my band failed to join that contest because noone of us could pronounce its name |
| 10:22:57 | quelsaruk | eurovision? |
| 10:23:26 | langhaarrocker | that was the easy part but there are some more syllables before that... |
| 10:23:35 | quelsaruk | hahahaha |
| 10:23:49 | quelsaruk | my cousin has tried to go join this contest too |
| 10:24:13 | quelsaruk | she has a quite good voice :) |
| 10:24:25 | quelsaruk | it's a pitty she is not heavy ;) |
| 10:25:45 | quelsaruk | must go! |
| 10:25:47 | quelsaruk | bbl |
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| 11:35:10 | Quarc | Hi all! |
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| 11:36:00 | quelsaruk | re-hi |
| 11:37:17 | dwihno | re-hello! :D |
| 11:37:30 | dwihno | quelsaruk: let's have a competition! Who will get their hardware first? :) |
| 11:42:28 | langhaarrocker | and the looser pays? |
| 11:42:54 | dwihno | Haha |
| 11:42:57 | dwihno | That would be neat ;) |
| 11:43:10 | dwihno | (considering the delivery times in sweden are non-existant) ;) |
| 11:43:17 | dwihno | (well, almost) |
| 11:43:51 | quelsaruk | dwihno: of course you |
| 11:43:52 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 11:44:17 | dwihno | quelsaruk: you will get it in 3 weeks ;) |
| 11:44:20 | quelsaruk | remember i have an army of demons working against me :) |
| 11:44:43 | quelsaruk | so i'll get it in 4 months |
| 11:44:45 | quelsaruk | :) |
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| 11:50:38 | dwihno | Heh |
| 11:50:45 | dwihno | Well, I hope I will get the hardware today |
| 11:51:45 | dwihno | I had to wait for 8 days to get my USB2 card, but I finally got it yesterday :) |
| 11:51:57 | quelsaruk | "well, i hope i will get the hardaware today"....... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 11:52:15 | quelsaruk | i need more goats!! |
| 11:53:48 | dwihno | Goats? :) |
| 11:55:02 | dwihno | http://www.whiskas.tm.se/ - cool site :D |
| 11:55:48 | quelsaruk | umm |
| 11:55:51 | quelsaruk | not a cat.. a goat |
| 11:55:52 | quelsaruk | :P |
| 11:55:54 | dwihno | lots of nice information in the "fråga dr. katt" section |
| 11:56:40 | quelsaruk | dwihno: do u like spanish pop music?? |
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| 12:01:20 | quelsaruk | langhaarrocker: do u have a wav to mmf conversor? |
| 12:02:00 | langhaarrocker | I assume its about the portable? No I haven't fiddled with the sounds yet. |
| 12:02:37 | quelsaruk | ok |
| 12:03:08 | quelsaruk | the mm is a kind of wav format, and wanted to send a quite heavy and explosive mms to my brother ;) |
| 12:03:20 | quelsaruk | the mmf is a kind .... |
| 12:04:25 | huz | hello guys, yesterday i met some bugs in a cvs less than a week aged (sorry i haven't my jukebox w/ me today) . I think it was in browser mode, i couldn't use the menu+'+'/'-' facility for increasing/decreasing the volume and i would be grant if - still in browser mode - we could play the next/previous song in the original directory by doing on+'+'/'-' (sorry I haven't looked at the available patches and bug tracker yet) |
| 12:04:28 | dwihno | quelsaruk: well, I like alabina |
| 12:04:53 | dwihno | quelsaruk: I bet you've heard of them. They do türkye and spanish music |
| 12:06:09 | quelsaruk | dwihno: don't bet... you will loose for sure :) |
| 12:08:56 | huz | maybe you would prefer if i opened a bug report |
| 12:09:42 | langhaarrocker | bug reports are preferred on official releases only |
| 12:11:16 | huz | ok .. so i'll verify this and try to hack it myself, but don't really rely on it :) |
| 12:11:18 | langhaarrocker | and that's more a feature request if I understand that correctly |
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| 12:34:06 | DarkHanzz | q: how do i add a string to the .lang files, so that i can use it in the source ? |
| 12:38:13 | DarkHanzz | i can add stuff in english.lang, but then it gives a compile error if i try to use that in the wps.c |
| 12:38:31 | Quarc | did i already say that rockbox is really great? :-) |
| 12:39:04 | DarkHanzz | did i already said that menu+play now toggles shuffle instead of mute for me ? |
| 12:43:28 | Quarc | is Master zagor here? |
| 12:44:24 | Zagor | yes |
| 12:45:28 | Quarc | ah hey! i would like to ask you somethings about your rockbox-project. can i email you? |
| 12:48:07 | huz | Quarc: question num 24, 25, 26, 27 of FAQ ,-) |
| 12:48:21 | huz | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html |
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| 12:48:57 | Quarc | oh thanks, mompl i'll read |
| 12:51:30 | Quarc | ah ok, i understand this. |
| 12:52:17 | Quarc | a'd like to know if the rockbox project has any kind auf "return of investment" for you guys. Because... |
| 12:52:40 | LinusN | Quarc: no money invested |
| 12:52:46 | LinusN | (almost) |
| 12:52:56 | LinusN | only blood, sweat and tears |
| 12:54:21 | kargatis | blood? a few screwdriver slips with all that dismantling early on? :) |
| 12:55:07 | LinusN | we're only in it for the drugs...eh...glory |
| 12:55:46 | Quarc | we are also thinking about making our project an open source or at least freeware thing |
| 12:55:53 | LinusN | i fried a regulator on my player while experimenting with the serial mod :-) |
| 12:56:44 | LinusN | Quarc: do you feel a need for a "return of investment"? |
| 12:56:55 | Quarc | hehe, but it's for a good goal (for me not frying my AJBR ;-) |
| 12:58:27 | Quarc | no, i like this idea of projects that have no financial goal. but unfortunately, without money you can't live |
| 12:58:36 | LinusN | Quarc: releasing the source is mostly a Good Thing(tm) |
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| 12:59:34 | LinusN | you want money from software registrations? |
| 12:59:34 | Quarc | our company has developed a tool and now we have to decide if clients have to pay for licenses or |
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| 13:00:17 | Quarc | or if they can use and develop on it for free, but there's my question: is there any financial support expected? |
| 13:00:51 | Quarc | eg. PayPal-Donate: does anybody donate for rockbox? (apart from the fact that i will :) |
| 13:01:05 | LinusN | Quarc: why are you considering Open Source in the first place? |
| 13:01:18 | PsycoXul | well of course it depends on the license and the uses |
| 13:01:26 | LinusN | and the users |
| 13:01:36 | Zagor | Quarc: yes, people donate but you should build a company on that :-) |
| 13:01:41 | Zagor | should not |
| 13:01:54 | Quarc | no, we dont think that OpenSource is good for our product. |
| 13:02:13 | PsycoXul | if your clients can't deal with with the opensource license you give it, you can dual-license.. of course i'm not sure the details of that |
| 13:02:46 | PsycoXul | and there's a lot of open source license |
| 13:02:50 | PsycoXul | licenses |
| 13:03:06 | Quarc | dual-license? that means something like a half-OpenSource? |
| 13:03:23 | Zagor | Quarc: you should read this: http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/cb/chapter/ |
| 13:03:42 | Quarc | but very nice is the fact, that Archos is already interested in your project. |
| 13:04:14 | Quarc | i mean, how do you guys earn your money for living? |
| 13:04:46 | Zagor | we work |
| 13:04:54 | Zagor | Rockbox is a hobby project |
| 13:06:05 | Quarc | ok, but wouldnt it be nice if you can afford even more time for rockbox, so that it supports itself? |
| 13:07:01 | LinusN | Quarc: i guess not |
| 13:07:04 | quel|out | hi Zagor |
| 13:07:05 | PsycoXul | heh i dunno if rockbox has so much of a market that there's a feasible course for that, unless archos wants to put them on the payroll or something |
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| 13:07:54 | Quarc | because our product has a bit more complexity and so we have to decide: stop working on it or try to get our money from it :-( |
| 13:07:55 | Zagor | Quarc: I wouldn't want to charge for the Rockbox firmware, if that's what you're asking |
| 13:08:12 | Zagor | what kind of product is it? |
| 13:08:22 | LinusN | Quarc: as soon as we start charging for Rockbox, people will not accept the as-is basis that it is now |
| 13:08:42 | Zagor | and people most definitely won't submit patches and new code |
| 13:08:51 | LinusN | and we lose a lot of users |
| 13:08:52 | Quarc | no no, thats why im asking: is there any chance of getting financial support without charging people |
| 13:09:19 | Zagor | getting paid without anyone paying? sounds good to me! ;-) |
| 13:09:20 | LinusN | not really |
| 13:09:34 | Quarc | thats our dream with our product. make it completely free but having still the chance to develop on it full-time |
| 13:09:49 | kargatis | you guys are just waiting on the weather to start raining money, i thought was the strategy... |
| 13:10:06 | Quarc | well, i think that Nullsoft for example made it, or? |
| 13:10:11 | Zagor | Quarc: where do you expect the money will come from? |
| 13:10:17 | kargatis | Quarc, hire independently wealthy developers |
| 13:10:37 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 13:10:41 | Zagor | Quarc: no. they are now full-time aol employees. i wouldn't want that... |
| 13:11:34 | Quarc | or what about Sun releasing Java. what is their interest of doing that (ok it's another ligue, but the same funadmental question) |
| 13:11:53 | LinusN | they sell hardware |
| 13:11:54 | Zagor | Quarc: have you read the link I gave you? |
| 13:12:14 | Zagor | it explains a lot about open source |
| 13:12:45 | Quarc | money could come from: Donations, Sponsors, and (!) side effect-projects. |
| 13:13:57 | Zagor | yes it could. I personally prefer having a steady, well-paid day job and just hack rockbox in my free time. |
| 13:14:02 | Quarc | but to see the dimensions i wanted to ask how for example paypal donations work for you |
| 13:14:21 | Zagor | Quarc: we have gotten around $500 total. |
| 13:14:32 | Quarc | yeah thanks for the link, zagor. i'll study it :) |
| 13:14:51 | Zagor | think of it as a tip jar. people throw us a few bucks for encouragement. |
| 13:15:01 | Zagor | nothing to make a living from :-) |
| 13:15:59 | Quarc | yeah ok, but we have to see it in relation to the market and the impact of the project. |
| 13:16:42 | Quarc | i think, that rockboxx could have a quite big future, but this depends only on the JB's market |
| 13:17:24 | kargatis | i hope you've at least extracted a few cases of beer out of that cash, Zagor |
| 13:17:27 | Quarc | perhaps some day donations are growing if more and more guys use it and if even Archos distribute it |
| 13:17:57 | Quarc | (did i already say that rockbox rulez ? :-D |
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| 13:19:52 | langhaarrocker | kargatis: the blood is green used by qeulsaruk |
| 13:20:35 | kargatis | can't get rid of these vulcans |
| 13:21:43 | qeulsaruk | only goats blood :) |
| 13:22:10 | qeulsaruk | and because reb blood is not for people under 18 years. |
| 13:22:54 | Zagor | Quarc: yes, the future for Rockbox is bright. but that does not mean it's a great money maker. Rockbox is popular because it is free (as in freedom) |
| 13:24:43 | Quarc | yo, thats right, and thats also our dream with our Wiki, but at least enough money to buy our daily beer and frites. |
| 13:25:14 | langhaarrocker | Zagor may say such things. He is code police. |
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| 13:26:11 | Quarc | (sorry for my bad english, i'm from Hamburg and my english is fading everyday) |
| 13:26:53 | Zagor | Quarc: you're making a wiki? as in wiki.org ? |
| 13:32:20 | Quarc | right. but in fact, it now shows up to be a wiki. :) |
| 13:35:20 | Quarc | the last 1,5 years we developped it as super intuitive web publishing tool. |
| 13:36:33 | Quarc | like CMS but now it seems to be almost a quite-Wiki. but not really. it doesnt really fullfill all the rules of a wiki |
| 13:38:37 | DarkHanzz | q: how do i add a string to the .lang files, so that i can use it in the source ? |
| 13:38:39 | DarkHanzz | i can add stuff in english.lang, but then it gives a compile error if i try to use that in the wps.c |
| 13:40:38 | Zagor | DarkHanzz: you must run binlang on it |
| 13:40:46 | Zagor | uh, no |
| 13:41:23 | Zagor | genlang |
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| 13:42:21 | calpefrosch | Zagor: what do you think about a move command for a rectangle if the lcd ? |
| 13:42:29 | DarkHanzz | ok |
| 13:42:41 | calpefrosch | not if/ on |
| 13:43:06 | Quarc | zagor: perhaps you would be interested in using it for your site. easily dragging around subpages and editing text like in a text programm. and free (to be :) |
| 13:43:24 | Zagor | calpefrosch: sounds like something for demos... :-) |
| 13:44:01 | Zagor | Quarc: thanks, but I don't think I'm your target audience. I do my web pages with perl and make :-) |
| 13:44:50 | calpefrosch | Zagor: hm, maybe. but also for a browser ? |
| 13:45:46 | Zagor | calpefrosch: I don't think we'll gain much since the block is more often than not on a half-byte offset. so we'll be pushing bits on and off either way. |
| 13:46:27 | calpefrosch | Zagor: ok, i see what you mean |
| 13:46:42 | calpefrosch | Do you know the status of the new playlist code ? |
| 13:46:43 | Zagor | but you are of course welcome to test it :-) |
| 13:46:52 | Quarc | :) okay. you just need java + Tomcat and then anyone can admin the site from any browser. perhaps sometime you re interested and we could promote our projects each-other, hihi |
| 13:46:53 | Zagor | you mean ricII's code? |
| 13:47:03 | calpefrosch | yes |
| 13:47:26 | Zagor | Quarc: well I use twiki already and I'm quite happy with it thanks |
| 13:47:46 | Zagor | calpefrosch: nope, I don't know. |
| 13:48:03 | Quarc | ok, i dont want to spam here :-) so, i really appreciate rockbox, my AJBR is my best friend now :) |
| 13:48:09 | Zagor | :-) |
| 13:48:48 | Zagor | list #httpd |
| 13:50:10 | Quarc | Viele Grüße aus Hamburg! ciao |
| 13:50:58 | Quarc | and thanks for your info |
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| 13:53:00 | calpefrosch | Zagor: I don't want to load the playlist, so I have to user the normal api, but it is too slow. |
| 13:53:34 | Zagor | calpefrosch: what is too slow? |
| 13:54:13 | calpefrosch | i load the first 8 lines of the playlist - for every line it opens the file, seek the position and read the text |
| 13:54:46 | calpefrosch | I think that is too slow, but maybe it is my code :-| |
| 13:55:01 | calpefrosch | i use playlist_seek and playlist_next |
| 13:55:30 | Zagor | you should buffer a few kilobytes so you don't have to load every page from disk |
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| 14:01:15 | calpefrosch | Zagor: i can do that, but it will take memory from the dma-buffer, i think. but by now we don't play while browsing |
| 14:02:15 | Zagor | calpefrosch: we will move towards using a "common buffer" for use by all these kinds of applications, so expect to have around 16-20KB to use |
| 14:03:09 | calpefrosch | is it ok to use malloc for the buffer ? or just on the stack |
| 14:03:59 | Zagor | neither. you use a gloabl pointer called "common_buffer" or something like that. allocate it statically for now. |
| 14:08:30 | calpefrosch | Zagor: tnx |
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| 14:18:34 | quel|lunch | lunch time!! |
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| 15:23:22 | matsl | Zagor: ? |
| 15:26:18 | Zagor | hola |
| 15:30:02 | matsl | Zagor: Q about menus. |
| 15:30:44 | matsl | Zagor: Some items have (for the player) two long lines. How about scrolling both. have you tried it? |
| 15:31:14 | dwihno | Ah. I noticed something last night |
| 15:31:19 | Zagor | nope, haven't tried it. |
| 15:31:23 | dwihno | While in WPS, press 'on' two times fast |
| 15:31:26 | Zagor | which have two long lines? |
| 15:31:28 | dwihno | You will notice a glitch on scrolling lines |
| 15:32:21 | Zagor | I will? |
| 15:32:28 | dwihno | Yes you will :) |
| 15:32:33 | dwihno | it will look like this |
| 15:32:35 | matsl | Zagor: Well to be honest I saw it when doing yet another swedish translation of id3 info. Bithastighet is way to long. |
| 15:32:36 | dwihno | Hello |
| 15:32:37 | dwihno | Hello |
| 15:32:38 | dwihno | Hello |
| 15:32:41 | dwihno | Hello |
| 15:32:42 | dwihno | Hello |
| 15:32:43 | dwihno | Hello |
| 15:32:45 | dwihno | Hello |
| 15:32:50 | dwihno | well, you catch the drift |
| 15:32:53 | Zagor | ok. maybe my scroll speed is too low. |
| 15:35:09 | Zagor | bithastihet? datahastighet seems like a better word. still long though :-) |
| 15:35:56 | Zagor | i'm fine with two scrolling lines where necessary |
| 15:36:14 | matsl | We do have support for it now, do we? |
| 15:39:05 | Zagor | i'm not sure how the player code is, actually. |
| 15:39:40 | matsl | but recorder code supports it? |
| 15:39:53 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:40:09 | matsl | and it is readable on the recorder I suppose? |
| 15:45:12 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:46:12 | matsl | ok. I'll check with kjer (or the code). cu |
| 15:48:47 | dwihno | Using on+up/down doesn't work in the settings menu |
| 15:49:02 | matsl | must -. cu |
| 15:49:03 | Zagor | dwihno: correct |
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| 15:49:16 | dwihno | and exiting F2/F3 quickscreens requires the corresponding F-button to be pressed |
| 15:49:22 | Zagor | yup |
| 15:49:47 | dwihno | You want me to patch that weird behaviour? |
| 15:50:01 | Zagor | how do you want it instead? |
| 15:50:29 | dwihno | Regarding on+up/down should work in the menus as well |
| 15:50:39 | dwihno | and pressing any key should exit the F2/F3 screens. |
| 15:50:46 | Zagor | any key? |
| 15:50:46 | dwihno | But that's only myho :-) |
| 15:51:02 | dwihno | yes, any key release event. |
| 15:51:32 | Zagor | then you can't toggle things in the quickscreens |
| 15:51:59 | dwihno | well, pressing 'play' would be nice |
| 15:52:19 | dwihno | thus making one-hand navigation more comfortable |
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| 16:00:04 | Zagor | what's wrong with just pressing an F-key again? |
| 16:00:30 | dwihno | It feels uncomfortable. Not logical. |
| 16:00:58 | dwihno | It's not wrong, but it should be possible to cancel it by pressing play too :) |
| 16:01:39 | langhaarrocker | on the other hand play might be used for additional menu entries in the fx menues |
| 16:04:08 | dwihno | nah, that would clutter it too much :) |
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| 16:06:33 | langhaarrocker | maybe not if we wrote the left / right menu items vertically... |
| 16:06:33 | langhaarrocker | But I should shut up until I have done my homework (user assignable keys). |
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| 16:18:33 | quelsaruk | back to life... little mortals :) |
| 16:19:03 | langhaarrocker | watch out: you're pocessed! |
| 16:20:15 | dwihno | langhaarrocker: that might rock! |
| 16:20:26 | dwihno | welcome back, oh mighty quelsaruk! Que pasa? :) |
| 16:20:37 | dwihno | Muy bien? |
| 16:22:02 | langhaarrocker | I still think that he secretly is Quetsalcoatl. |
| 16:22:59 | quelsaruk | hi dwihno :) |
| 16:23:21 | quelsaruk | shhh langhaarrocker, that's our secret ;) |
| 16:23:24 | dwihno | :-) |
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| 16:43:12 | quelsaruk | hi LinusN |
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| 16:47:02 | quelsaruk | does anyone know a program to repair a wave header?? |
| 16:47:51 | dwihno | erhm |
| 16:48:09 | dwihno | the header is 40-something bytes, right? |
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| 16:48:31 | dwihno | test it with some kind of audio editing software |
| 16:48:38 | dwihno | Welcome, Linus! |
| 16:49:00 | LinusN | thank you |
| 16:49:08 | quelsaruk | dwihno: i'm lazy.. i'll just forget about this :) |
| 16:49:19 | LinusN | BrianHH: any luck with the batteries? |
| 16:49:34 | * | dwihno is longing for his new rockdisk :-) |
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| 17:07:20 | * | LinusN just found a bug in the recording code, that can leave the file opened when leaving the recording screen |
| 17:07:33 | LinusN | maybe that's the 0-length file bug |
| 17:08:48 | Zagor | whoa |
| 17:13:26 | LinusN | it was possible to leave the screen while the data is being saved, changing the thread state to PLAYBACK |
| 17:13:55 | LinusN | so when the STOP_DONE message came, it was received in the wrong state |
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| 17:14:12 | LinusN | thus the file wasn't closed |
| 17:14:31 | Zagor | good catch |
| 17:15:20 | Zagor | how are you feeling about the code, time-wise? I'm thinking of possibly adding a thing or two if the release needs to wait another week or more. |
| 17:15:28 | LinusN | do so |
| 17:15:39 | LinusN | i think i need some more time |
| 17:16:26 | LinusN | i think i should remove the quick-menus in the recording screen |
| 17:16:31 | LinusN | what do you think? |
| 17:16:41 | Zagor | why? |
| 17:17:08 | LinusN | i think the F1 menu is enough, and more intuitive |
| 17:17:44 | Zagor | i think they are good. fast options are good for power users. the f1 menu is good too, but slower. |
| 17:18:00 | LinusN | ok then |
| 17:18:23 | LinusN | but i will inhibit them while recording |
| 17:18:41 | Zagor | that's a good idea |
| 17:19:36 | LinusN | i don't like string.c in apps/ |
| 17:19:46 | LinusN | bad, bad file name |
| 17:20:17 | Zagor | ugh, I agree |
| 17:20:37 | LinusN | maybe common.c or misc.c |
| 17:20:43 | LinusN | or whatever |
| 17:21:24 | LinusN | i wanted to add an include file with the prototype, and that got me thinking... :-) |
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| 17:43:21 | LinusN | are we satisfied with the file names when recording? |
| 17:46:30 | Zagor | i think they're fine. |
| 17:46:55 | Zagor | we might want to use the suggestion to store them in the current browser dir, though, instead of always into root |
| 17:47:58 | LinusN | sure. do we know where that is? |
| 17:48:23 | LinusN | or should i pass a parameter to recording_screen()? |
| 17:48:45 | Zagor | precisely. you get the dir from tree.c. |
| 17:49:00 | LinusN | i agree about not having to enter the extension when renaming mp3 files |
| 17:49:06 | Zagor | it's not global today, but that can change :-) |
| 17:49:19 | LinusN | i would like an INSERT mode when editing text |
| 17:49:26 | Zagor | we all do :-) |
| 17:49:42 | LinusN | how about pwd()? |
| 17:50:28 | Zagor | yea, why not? although we have no chdir() :) |
| 17:50:43 | Zagor | but sure, pwd() is ok with me |
| 17:50:44 | LinusN | details... |
| 17:51:10 | LinusN | i can imagine cancelling the text edit with OFF rather than F2 |
| 17:51:11 | Zagor | i'm off. see you! |
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| 18:16:30 | quelsaruk | my mobile company is ever worst than archos.. |
| 18:16:38 | quelsaruk | it's impossible to contact them |
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| 19:07:48 | quelsaruk | btw |
| 19:08:18 | quelsaruk | edx: you can submit changes to cvs no? |
| 19:08:45 | edx | yea |
| 19:09:29 | quelsaruk | i submitted yesterday espanol.lang 1.3 |
| 19:09:36 | quelsaruk | could you update that pliz |
| 19:09:49 | edx | to the mailing list you mean? |
| 19:09:56 | quelsaruk | to the patch traker |
| 19:10:00 | quelsaruk | tracker |
| 19:10:09 | edx | wow.. wheres that? ;) |
| 19:10:27 | quelsaruk | are you talking seriously?? |
| 19:10:35 | edx | actually, yea |
| 19:10:42 | edx | never worked with the patch tracker |
| 19:11:16 | edx | ok |
| 19:11:18 | edx | got it |
| 19:11:48 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:11:53 | quelsaruk | i'm amazed |
| 19:12:10 | quelsaruk | or as an spanish would say "I'm fliping" |
| 19:12:45 | edx | ok you verified it's working? |
| 19:13:25 | quelsaruk | ummm |
| 19:13:36 | quelsaruk | i knew i forgot something |
| 19:13:41 | quelsaruk | wait a minute and i'll check |
| 19:13:43 | quelsaruk | ;) |
| 19:13:45 | edx | better try before they blame me ;) |
| 19:13:47 | edx | ok |
| 19:13:51 | quelsaruk | haha |
| 19:14:12 | quelsaruk | you can always say "was the mascot fault" |
| 19:14:47 | adi|work | two words |
| 19:14:51 | adi|work | plausible deniability |
| 19:15:27 | quelsaruk | rechazo plausible |
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| 19:25:10 | edx | quel: can I commit that file now? |
| 19:28:06 | quelsaruk | jeje |
| 19:28:08 | quelsaruk | no |
| 19:28:20 | edx | ok |
| 19:28:20 | quelsaruk | i forgot two quotes |
| 19:28:22 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:28:25 | edx | oh |
| 19:28:29 | quelsaruk | i'm updating the file |
| 19:28:32 | edx | good |
| 19:28:34 | quelsaruk | sorry |
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| 19:28:56 | * | edx . o O (code police would have knocked my head off!) |
| 19:29:03 | quelsaruk | not yours.. |
| 19:29:04 | quelsaruk | mine |
| 19:29:09 | quelsaruk | i swear |
| 19:29:19 | quelsaruk | he's waiting... |
| 19:29:22 | quelsaruk | like a hunter |
| 19:29:23 | quelsaruk | ;) |
| 19:29:59 | edx | shooting everything that moves |
| 19:30:01 | edx | it was my move :p |
| 19:30:05 | edx | well |
| 19:30:13 | edx | then he'd kill both of us |
| 19:30:14 | edx | :D |
| 19:31:30 | quelsaruk | edx: now you can download the re-viewed file |
| 19:31:32 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:32:03 | edx | oki |
| 19:32:05 | edx | thanks |
| 19:32:59 | elinenbe|sleep | ahhhh!!!!! |
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| 19:33:40 | adi|work | ? |
| 19:34:03 | quelsaruk | no, thanks to you edx :) |
| 19:34:13 | quelsaruk | a nightmare elinenbe? |
| 19:34:16 | elinenbe | edx: long time no see. |
| 19:34:16 | edx | hehehe |
| 19:34:22 | elinenbe | quelsaruk: no. |
| 19:34:38 | edx | elinenbe: yea, we might have seen, but never actually talked :) |
| 19:35:08 | edx | quel: do i have to remove that file from the patch tracker somehow? or mark it as "commited"? |
| 19:35:17 | quelsaruk | ummm |
| 19:35:25 | quelsaruk | mark it as commited. i suppose |
| 19:35:26 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:35:29 | quelsaruk | i dunno |
| 19:35:42 | quelsaruk | but i forgot to tell zagor or linus today |
| 19:35:43 | quelsaruk | :( |
| 19:36:05 | elinenbe | edx: what patch from the file tracker? |
| 19:36:16 | quelsaruk | espanol.lang version 1.3 |
| 19:36:26 | quelsaruk | nothing important :) |
| 19:36:34 | elinenbe | ahhh... who cares about espanol!! (hide) |
| 19:36:36 | edx | wait.. let me do this myself :D - i need to learn |
| 19:36:51 | quelsaruk | if i must say the truth... i use english |
| 19:37:04 | * | edx too |
| 19:37:17 | quelsaruk | edx... you are *too* old to learn anything new ;) |
| 19:37:45 | edx | indeed |
| 19:37:52 | edx | hehe |
| 19:38:01 | edx | we miss a c++.lang, don't we? :D |
| 19:38:28 | edx | elinenbe: can you tell me how to remove a patch from the patch tracker? |
| 19:39:35 | edx | ah got it |
| 19:39:44 | edx | now do i set it do closed or deleted? |
| 19:40:05 | quelsaruk | closed? |
| 19:40:07 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 19:40:33 | edx | i guess so |
| 19:40:42 | edx | but as a matter of fact i cant find where to change that status |
| 19:40:51 | quelsaruk | well... |
| 19:41:02 | quelsaruk | we can try to leave that and tell zagor later :) |
| 19:41:06 | edx | maybe i dont have the rights to do that |
| 19:41:15 | * | edx ducks and fears for his head ;) |
| 19:41:30 | quelsaruk | i would also fear |
| 19:41:31 | quelsaruk | ;) |
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| 20:39:51 | Kamayaka | re |
| 20:43:38 | Kamayaka | i still have one hynix GM71VS65163CLT5 chip... |
| 20:56:36 | quel|out | jumsss |
| 20:56:43 | quel|out | don't tempt me |
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| 21:09:55 | quel|out | time to go home! |
| 21:09:57 | quel|out | cu later!! |
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| 21:16:44 | xam | mhh ... hynix GM71VS65163CLT5 ... hmmmm |
| 21:17:38 | Kamayaka | jepp |
| 21:17:57 | Kamayaka | wanker friend wants to update after warranty ... in 2 years :) |
| 21:18:24 | Kamayaka | additional original memory chip, unsoldered without damaging the chip |
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| 21:26:36 | Kamayaka | xam... ? |
| 21:30:19 | xam | sorry, |
| 21:30:51 | xam | kamayaka where do you live? |
| 21:31:24 | xam | I don't think I have use for the original memory chip ;) |
| 21:32:32 | Kamayaka | germany |
| 21:33:16 | Kamayaka | if you can´t get the new ram working and destroied the old one while unsoldering you can use the old one... my update works fine since 48h |
| 21:34:08 | xam | kamayaka how long did it took you to mod the archos? |
| 21:34:37 | Kamayaka | whel, two cups of coffee. i would guess 2h (about) and with beeing eXtrem careful |
| 21:35:26 | xam | kamayaka i'd prefer 1h without being extemly cafeful ;) |
| 21:35:37 | xam | kamayaka too much coffee then ;) |
| 21:36:18 | Kamayaka | hehe ;) shaking hands... you will need some seconds-glue (<- dunno whats the exact expression in english) glue that fixes up within seconds |
| 21:36:39 | xam | super glue? |
| 21:36:45 | Kamayaka | dunno+ |
| 21:39:26 | xam | mhhh, how much did you pay again? 17.50 Euro? |
| 21:40:10 | * | xam placed a bid on an ebay auction for a t68i |
| 21:45:03 | Kamayaka | 7,50EUR + shipping + tax |
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| 21:47:30 | xam | mhhh ... |
| 21:47:51 | xam | shipping to ireland is at least the same price as the memory ;) |
| 21:49:15 | Kamayaka | ireland, mom i´ll look that up |
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| 21:51:48 | tracktheripper | Hey Galik! |
| 21:52:25 | Kamayaka | if i would send as maxiletter it would cost 3,07EUR if letter weights not more than 50gr |
| 21:52:45 | xam | yes, and "don not fold" ;) |
| 21:52:53 | xam | "do not fold" |
| 21:52:53 | Kamayaka | i could glue it at a postcard |
| 21:53:00 | xam | lol |
| 21:53:46 | Kamayaka | so in all it would cost (7,50+1,80)*1,16+3,07 |
| 21:55:33 | tracktheripper | How good is the Archos firmware in the FM recorder? |
| 21:55:55 | Kamayaka | <-> |
| 21:56:02 | Kamayaka | <−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−-> is the rockbox software |
| 21:56:25 | tracktheripper | yea but Rockbox in the FMrecorder cannot tune the radio |
| 21:56:43 | Kamayaka | thought the radio is shitty anyway ? |
| 21:57:01 | tracktheripper | in what way? |
| 21:57:09 | Kamayaka | noisy ? |
| 21:57:16 | tracktheripper | ermmmmmmmmm |
| 21:57:28 | tracktheripper | so it is hopeless at getting a decent signal? |
| 21:57:34 | tracktheripper | Im thinking of getting an FM recorder |
| 21:57:47 | xam | mhhh (7.5 + 1.8 (why?)) * 1.16 (why?) + 3.07 |
| 21:58:09 | xam | tracktheripper don't do it ... |
| 21:58:21 | Kamayaka | 1,8 is the sending to me 1,16 german tax |
| 21:58:24 | xam | tracktheripper you want to use it more than 3 years? |
| 21:58:32 | tracktheripper | I have a Jukebox Recorder 10 xam |
| 21:58:35 | xam | i c |
| 21:58:42 | tracktheripper | Xam my Jukebox Recorder 10 has been fantastic |
| 21:58:59 | Kamayaka | recorder 20 with rockbox and 8m rocks :) |
| 21:59:05 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 21:59:11 | tracktheripper | I have the 10 Gigabyte version |
| 21:59:35 | xam | tracktheripper yes, but the jukebox fm has lithium-ion batteries, and you can't easily exchange them ... so after 3 years you can throw away your jukebox FM |
| 21:59:52 | tracktheripper | SHIT! |
| 21:59:56 | xam | tracktheripper just buy a bigger harddrive |
| 21:59:57 | tracktheripper | REALLY? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:08 | Kamayaka | after 3years warranty is over you can change the batteries then |
| 22:00:26 | tracktheripper | yea ive just put highperformance NiMHs in my Jukebox |
| 22:00:31 | tracktheripper | better battery life |
| 22:00:32 | xam | tracktheripper just look at your mobile phone ... after about 3 years of frequent use the battery is dead |
| 22:00:38 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 22:00:59 | xam | tracktheripper that's the average life time of li-ion |
| 22:01:28 | xam | tracktheripper thats the reason why I bought the archos and not the nomad3/ipod |
| 22:01:37 | tracktheripper | I thought Li-Ions last forever |
| 22:01:40 | xam | ... and rockbox of course ) |
| 22:01:43 | tracktheripper | I was thinking of getting an Ipod once |
| 22:01:44 | xam | ;) |
| 22:01:56 | Kamayaka | ipod has HUGHE DISAVANTAGES |
| 22:02:15 | tracktheripper | The case on the Ipod scratches like hell easily |
| 22:02:30 | Kamayaka | rockbox too :{ |
| 22:02:46 | tracktheripper | What u meen Kam? |
| 22:03:15 | Kamayaka | with the disavantages ? |
| 22:03:32 | tracktheripper | well Rockbox is still much better than the Archos firmware |
| 22:04:12 | tracktheripper | well Im beginning to like the FM Recorder design after holding one |
| 22:04:20 | tracktheripper | seems more portable than my JBREC10 |
| 22:04:30 | Kamayaka | jbrec20 :)) |
| 22:04:42 | | Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 22:04:43 | tracktheripper | well im happy wiv my jbrec10 :)) |
| 22:04:47 | tracktheripper | it meens the world to me |
| 22:04:52 | tracktheripper | Hi Bjorn!!!!! :)) |
| 22:04:57 | xam | tracktheripper yes, I also like a integrated FM ... but the f**king li-ion batteries |
| 22:04:59 | Zagor | hi |
| 22:05:07 | tracktheripper | how are ya??? |
| 22:05:08 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 22:05:30 | tracktheripper | I think Archos sell replacement Li-Ions Xam |
| 22:06:46 | tracktheripper | ((gives Zagor a big hug :-) )) |
| 22:07:04 | xam | tracktheripper no they don't |
| 22:07:14 | tracktheripper | ??? |
| 22:07:18 | xam | tracktheripper at least not on their website |
| 22:07:24 | tracktheripper | ohhhhh |
| 22:07:26 | Zagor | they don't |
| 22:07:33 | tracktheripper | so you advise me not to buy one? |
| 22:07:41 | Zagor | the multimedia guys have been chasing this battery issue for ages |
| 22:07:46 | | Nick seb-school is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:07:50 | xam | tracktheripper I wouldn't buy one |
| 22:07:52 | Zagor | i'd get a rec20 instead |
| 22:08:01 | tracktheripper | I have a rec10 Zagor |
| 22:08:03 | xam | yes, |
| 22:08:10 | Kamayaka | rec20 (!) :) |
| 22:08:11 | xam | zagor he already has a rec10 |
| 22:08:11 | tracktheripper | I don't have the need for 20 Gigabytes |
| 22:08:12 | * | Kamayaka hides |
| 22:08:49 | Zagor | well if you have the rec10 then you really shouldn't buy an fmrec |
| 22:08:54 | xam | lol ("no need for 20 GB") ... reminds me of bill gates ("no need for more than 640k") |
| 22:08:55 | tracktheripper | ohhhh |
| 22:09:13 | tracktheripper | its the on-the-fly MP3 radio recording that intruiged me |
| 22:09:15 | Zagor | actually the nice thing about the rec20 isn't the extra 10gigs, it's the usb2.0 interface |
| 22:09:18 | tracktheripper | that would suit me so well |
| 22:09:30 | Zagor | the radio quality is no fun |
| 22:09:31 | tracktheripper | Zagor you do show off on occasions! :-) |
| 22:09:44 | * | Zagor shows off |
| 22:09:48 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 22:10:42 | tracktheripper | Zagor you look like my sister's fiancee :-) |
| 22:11:00 | Zagor | look like? I *am* ;) |
| 22:11:11 | tracktheripper | HAHAHAHA!!! |
| 22:11:12 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 22:11:34 | tracktheripper | When are you gonna implement my "Auto Voice Transcribe" request?? (JOKE!!) :-) |
| 22:12:57 | * | xam 's mobile sucks ... it is obviously broken. after 2 days the battery is dead (just bought a new battery) |
| 22:13:18 | tracktheripper | <−−−−- gets Xam, Zagor, Kam and Himself a beer |
| 22:13:25 | xam | any recommodations for a new mobile? |
| 22:13:42 | * | Zagor liked the Nokia 9210 |
| 22:13:54 | Zagor | too bad the screens were of poor quality |
| 22:13:59 | xam | I don't like the look of the Nokias |
| 22:14:07 | Zagor | heh |
| 22:14:19 | xam | I think I'll go for the Sony-Ericsson T68i |
| 22:14:30 | Zagor | ugh, bad idea |
| 22:14:35 | tracktheripper | Zagor come to London sometime |
| 22:14:36 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 22:14:41 | xam | or does anybody have other recommodations? |
| 22:14:55 | xam | zagor? |
| 22:15:47 | xam | I don't like sony (as a company), but the phone seems to be alright ... |
| 22:15:53 | tracktheripper | I don't think Zagor likes me Xam :-) |
| 22:15:56 | tracktheripper | ((laughs)) |
| 22:16:29 | Kamayaka | sony has quite good audio equipment... |
| 22:17:08 | xam | sony supports DRM |
| 22:17:15 | Zagor | xam: well i'm a nokia fan so I guess I have no suggestion for you :-) |
| 22:17:16 | Kamayaka | fuck for drm :) |
| 22:17:27 | Zagor | the t68 is slooow |
| 22:20:03 | tracktheripper | Kam Sony's ATRAC3 is the new Betamax |
| 22:20:34 | Kamayaka | who cares for minidisc :) i´m using the jukebox ... |
| 22:20:41 | tracktheripper | MP3Pro and WMA sound much better than ATRAC3 |
| 22:20:47 | tracktheripper | ATRAC3 sounds way too compressed |
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| 22:22:34 | xam | zagor well, you mean the t68i is slow when dailing? or then looking up the addressbook?: |
| 22:23:42 | xam | zagor or do you mean if I talk with the t68 I'm going to talk slowly? |
| 22:24:03 | Zagor | xam: the t68i user interface is terribly slow |
| 22:24:24 | xam | hmm |
| 22:24:41 | xam | what about a motorola then? |
| 22:25:01 | Zagor | Don't ask me. I use nokias. :-) |
| 22:27:15 | Kamayaka | xam i needa log out... you want the chip ? |
| 22:27:36 | xam | for how much altogether? |
| 22:28:00 | Kamayaka | calculate the calculation :) |
| 22:28:42 | xam | too lazy ... but I'm interested ;) |
| 22:29:07 | Kamayaka | 13,85 |
| 22:29:42 | xam | kam thats about 14 Euros? |
| 22:29:49 | Kamayaka | jupp |
| 22:29:57 | xam | kam that's about 14 Euro? |
| 22:30:08 | Kamayaka | yes |
| 22:30:08 | xam | sorry ... mhhh okay |
| 22:30:16 | Kamayaka | yes |
| 22:30:18 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Kamayaka |
| 22:30:18 | Kamayaka | yes |
| 22:30:20 | Kamayaka | yes |
| 22:30:22 | Kamayaka | :) |
| 22:30:31 | xam | how to pay you |
| 22:30:42 | tracktheripper | If we really twist Micronas's arm, could we persuade them to make the damn thing play WMA or MP3Pro? |
| 22:30:46 | Kamayaka | money transfer to my bank account ? |
| 22:30:56 | xam | okay ... |
| 22:31:06 | Zagor | tracktheripper: no. the dsp program space is too small. |
| 22:31:14 | xam | do you have paypal? would be the easiest option for me |
| 22:31:17 | tracktheripper | ohhh |
| 22:31:49 | tracktheripper | so theres no chance of reprogramming it at all?? |
| 22:31:52 | tracktheripper | Oh well never mind |
| 22:32:17 | Zagor | it can only do simpler things |
| 22:32:45 | tracktheripper | well I always encode at 192Kbs (CD quality) I don't like 128Kbs |
| 22:33:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:35:58 | tracktheripper | Zagor what CD ripping software do you use? |
| 22:36:14 | Zagor | cdparanoia |
| 22:36:30 | tracktheripper | I use musicmatch myself. What bitrate do u encode at? |
| 22:36:32 | Zagor | i use linux |
| 22:36:40 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 22:36:42 | tracktheripper | i have XP |
| 22:36:47 | Zagor | high-quality VBR, average ~200kbps |
| 22:37:01 | tracktheripper | oh right. I always use 192Kbs (CBR) |
| 22:38:08 | tracktheripper | Whats the Linux interface like? |
| 22:38:37 | Zagor | mouse pointer and windows, just like most systems |
| 22:39:05 | tracktheripper | yea but what I meant is how does Linux compare to Windows? |
| 22:39:45 | Zagor | linux does what I want and only what I want. XP does what Microsoft wants. |
| 22:40:02 | tracktheripper | ohhh |
| 22:40:52 | tracktheripper | Zagor what do you think of my request to replace the curser with a full line selector similar to a Nokia mobilephone menu? |
| 22:41:06 | Zagor | it's old. we've tried it, and it's too slow |
| 22:41:16 | tracktheripper | oohhhhhhhh |
| 22:41:20 | tracktheripper | I didn't know |
| 22:41:31 | tracktheripper | I didn't realise it was tried before |
| 22:41:54 | Zagor | don't worry about it. you can't know everything. |
| 22:42:12 | tracktheripper | lol You will see that feature request under "Interface Improvements" |
| 22:42:21 | tracktheripper | I won't be offended if you reject it :-) |
| 22:43:15 | Zagor | :-) |
| 22:44:14 | tracktheripper | To tell you the truth Archos should never have chosen the type A USB socket for the Jukebox :-) |
| 22:44:54 | tracktheripper | because thats why everyone asks to see if things can be plugged in like memorycard readers and the like, simply because the socket on the Archos matches the USB on the PC itself |
| 22:45:33 | | Quit Kamayaka () |
| 22:46:04 | Zagor | yes. I'm puzzled too why archos chose an A type socket |
| 22:46:29 | tracktheripper | I actually asked Archos that myself. They refused to answer |
| 22:46:44 | tracktheripper | Mind you, the FMrec sports the smaller USB port like on a digital camera |
| 22:47:31 | Zagor | but that's a non-standard connector. you have to buy the cable from archos, right? |
| 22:48:04 | tracktheripper | well you get a cable thrown in wiv the Jukebox, but u are right, its still a nonstandard wire |
| 22:48:31 | tracktheripper | Why the hell can't Archos use the B socket like every other USB device? |
| 22:50:09 | tracktheripper | Zagor I reckon Archos are using nonstandard USB's is so they can sell more nonstandard cables and therefore make more moneu |
| 22:50:11 | tracktheripper | money |
| 22:54:21 | | Quit DarkHanzz (" Still using mIRC? lol! - HydraIRC, v0.337 (15/January/2003) -> http://hydrairc.sourceforge.net <-") |
| 22:56:31 | tracktheripper | Zagor is Version 2.0 coming out soon? |
| 22:56:55 | Zagor | no. it will probably take several weeks. |
| 22:57:02 | tracktheripper | ohhhh |
| 22:57:04 | Zagor | we still have recording bugs |
| 22:57:13 | tracktheripper | What will be included when its finally issued? |
| 22:57:24 | Zagor | lots of things :-) |
| 22:57:42 | tracktheripper | will ID3 tag entering be one of them for recording like the Archos firmware? |
| 22:58:05 | Zagor | no |
| 22:58:11 | tracktheripper | awwwwwwwwwwww |
| 22:58:23 | tracktheripper | ((bursts into tears :-( )) |
| 22:58:33 | tracktheripper | ok no worries :-) |
| 22:58:35 | Zagor | nobody has written an id3 editor |
| 22:58:59 | tracktheripper | But can you still type the filename when recording? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:14 | tracktheripper | I hope full playlist creations be included :-) |
| 23:02:30 | Zagor | no. only code that is already written will be included. |
| 23:02:42 | Zagor | we need to have time to test it before release. |
| 23:03:06 | tracktheripper | oh ok. I still keep a copy of the Archos firmware alongside Rockbox solely for making playlists and recording |
| 23:04:31 | tracktheripper | I wouldn't mind if the Archos firmware could be "tweaked" so I could boot back into Rockbox after finishing using the Archos firmware |
| 23:05:00 | xam | well, just reboot archos ;) |
| 23:05:23 | tracktheripper | yea but I prefer to switch back to Rockbox WITHOUT turning the JB off |
| 23:06:35 | xam | i think that's faster than selecting a .ajz file from the browser and boot it |
| 23:07:04 | tracktheripper | but I think it wears the HD out rebooting by turning it off then back on |
| 23:07:33 | Zagor | tracktheripper: i think archos would mind if we distributed a modified version of their software |
| 23:07:44 | tracktheripper | ohhhhhhh |
| 23:07:49 | tracktheripper | ok fair enough |
| 23:10:37 | tracktheripper | Anyway I have to go, nice chatting to you Zagor and Xam |
| 23:10:56 | xam | okay, I have to go, too. University is closing soon |
| 23:11:02 | tracktheripper | take care :) |
| 23:11:06 | xam | slan |
| 23:13:05 | | Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving") |
| 23:13:28 | | Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) |
| 23:21:38 | Zagor | hey, hardeep! |
| 23:25:32 | hardeep | heya |
| 23:26:17 | Zagor | long time no see |
| 23:31:56 | Galik | I've stopped killing people now! |
| 23:32:06 | | Nick xam is now known as xam|away (~xam@tqpc.ucc.ie) |
| 23:32:14 | hardeep | Zagor: heh, yeah... it's the time difference. :) |
| 23:32:59 | hardeep | Galik: good to hear. :) i hope you only killed the bad people |
| 23:33:44 | adi|work | heheh thaw |
| 23:33:45 | adi|work | i love it |
| 23:34:00 | Zagor | i thought you'd like that :) |
| 23:34:20 | adi|work | so any chance of me putting in the sokoban rewrite? |
| 23:34:28 | Zagor | yeah, sure |
| 23:34:46 | adi|work | okay... when i get home tonight.. want me to send you the file(s) before i put it in? |
| 23:35:05 | adi|work | or just insert? |
| 23:35:33 | Zagor | is it major changes? |
| 23:36:49 | adi|work | nods |
| 23:36:59 | adi|work | actually.. my machine at home is connected.. hold on |
| 23:43:33 | adi|work | okay.. zagor.. want me to give you sokoban.[ch] |
| 23:43:42 | adi|work | you can take a look.. they build and work just fine |
| 23:43:48 | adi|work | its a fairly clean rewrite |
| 23:44:21 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:46:20 | adi|work | dcc or email? |
| 23:47:59 | Zagor | heh, you're behind a nice fat firewall it seems :) |
| 23:48:02 | Zagor | mail'em |
| 23:49:28 | adi|work | nods |
| 23:50:22 | adi|work | zagor at haxx dot se? |
| 23:50:49 | Zagor | yup |
| 23:50:59 | | Join malle [0] (~jirc@h189n2fls33o985.telia.com) |
| 23:51:24 | malle | Hey guys! |
| 23:51:28 | Zagor | hi |
| 23:53:09 | adi|work | mailing |
| 23:55:02 | adi|work | sent |
| 23:55:16 | malle | I have a question (wow!) ;) All the settings in rockbox, like sound settings and display settings and so on.. where are they saved? |
| 23:55:23 | malle | I was just wondering because when I upgraded to the latest daily all settings was reset to the defaults.. is there any way to get around this the next time upgrading or are they always being lost? |
| 23:55:57 | Zagor | malle: on an early sector on the disk, and in the real-time clock ram on the recorder |
| 23:56:27 | Zagor | they are only lost when the settings structure is changed enough that it makes the previous version incompatible |
| 23:56:50 | Zagor | this has happened three times so far in the project :-) |
| 23:57:45 | malle | aah, I see, thanks :) |
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