| 00:01:32 | Zagor | i don't think I tested append/close/append/close/append/close a lot |
| 00:02:08 | LinusN | hang on, i have to reboot |
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| 00:08:54 | LinusN | yo |
| 00:11:57 | Zagor | LinusN: can you repeat it easily? |
| 00:12:03 | LinusN | no, not yet |
| 00:12:09 | LinusN | give me a few |
| 00:17:38 | jzoss | Zagor: looks like the even-write-offset did the trick. Thx! |
| 00:17:45 | Zagor | jzoss: good |
| 00:18:19 | jzoss | Is that documented anywhere? |
| 00:18:45 | Zagor | nope :) |
| 00:18:48 | jzoss | Mind if I throw a comment near write() in file.c to give a heads-up to anyone snoopin around? |
| 00:19:19 | Zagor | sure |
| 00:19:31 | Zagor | docs/API could use a line or two too |
| 00:20:09 | Zagor | we could also simply add odd address capability to ata_write_sector :-) |
| 00:20:22 | jzoss | I was just thinking that. =-) |
| 00:20:47 | jzoss | But a comment's easier for me, so I'll throw that in with the rest of the ID3-patch, and you can accept/reject as you deem fit |
| 00:20:54 | Zagor | yup |
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| 00:24:55 | dvr-505 | help please |
| 00:25:17 | jzoss | with what? |
| 00:25:20 | dvr-505 | *panic* recfile -2 |
| 00:25:23 | LinusN | ok then, since you ask so nicely |
| 00:25:33 | dvr-505 | what is this |
| 00:25:33 | dvr-505 | ? |
| 00:25:38 | LinusN | dvr-505: we are working on it |
| 00:25:45 | LinusN | it is a serious bug |
| 00:25:48 | dvr-505 | ok |
| 00:25:56 | dvr-505 | can you explain it to me |
| 00:25:58 | dvr-505 | pleaseeee |
| 00:26:21 | LinusN | it is a problem with the file system driver |
| 00:26:35 | dvr-505 | i reported bugs as pedro.sam@clix.pt in the website |
| 00:26:38 | LinusN | so it corrupts the recorded file and the recording code panics |
| 00:26:47 | dvr-505 | ok |
| 00:27:01 | LinusN | i am chasing the bug as we speak |
| 00:27:05 | dvr-505 | but it only corrupts at 63.1MB |
| 00:27:15 | dvr-505 | right? |
| 00:27:25 | dvr-505 | or does it corrupt by time???? |
| 00:27:26 | LinusN | it depends |
| 00:27:30 | LinusN | not sure yet |
| 00:27:47 | dvr-505 | it happened to me always at 63.1mb |
| 00:28:25 | dvr-505 | recording at quality 7 43.5db 44.1khz |
| 00:28:29 | LinusN | not for me |
| 00:28:48 | jzoss | have you tried it with different recording settings? |
| 00:28:56 | dvr-505 | i am recording as we speek |
| 00:28:58 | jzoss | That might show if it was time or size-related... |
| 00:29:02 | dvr-505 | but at the same quality |
| 00:29:34 | dvr-505 | i have already recorded 65.3 mb at the same settings but i stopped the recording with no error report |
| 00:29:44 | dvr-505 | yeah |
| 00:30:03 | dvr-505 | i will keep trying |
| 00:30:13 | dvr-505 | do you want me to keep reporting? |
| 00:30:55 | dvr-505 | ?? |
| 00:31:00 | LinusN | not necessary if you get the same shit over again |
| 00:31:10 | dvr-505 | ? |
| 00:31:25 | Zagor | dvr-505: only if you notice a difference |
| 00:31:41 | dvr-505 | i can try to record at lower quality and see if it is the file size or time...... |
| 00:35:09 | LinusN | no need (yet) |
| 00:35:27 | LinusN | but thanks for offering your help |
| 00:35:32 | dvr-505 | ok |
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| 00:41:50 | LinusN | Zagor: i can repeat it |
| 00:41:58 | Zagor | ah, goodie. how? |
| 00:42:19 | JorisH | Hey, whats up? |
| 00:42:21 | dvr-505 | 1h 63.9mb |
| 00:42:24 | LinusN | a loop that open-write-close chunks of 0x123456 bytes |
| 00:42:30 | dvr-505 | keeps recording |
| 00:42:45 | LinusN | want the code? |
| 00:42:59 | Zagor | nah, i'll test myself |
| 00:43:20 | LinusN | JorisH: hunting a nasty file system bug |
| 00:43:44 | JorisH | as usual :D |
| 00:43:56 | Zagor | LinusN: after how many writes does it bug? |
| 00:44:11 | LinusN | guess what file size? :-) |
| 00:44:20 | LinusN | 63mb something |
| 00:44:23 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:45:15 | Zagor | bugger. works in the simcode. |
| 00:46:08 | dvr-505 | mine stopped at 1:03:00 file +65mb |
| 00:46:12 | LinusN | it is easier to repeat it on an empty drive |
| 00:46:28 | Zagor | my simdrive is always empty :-) |
| 00:46:38 | dvr-505 | must power off to continue using |
| 00:46:56 | LinusN | dvr-505: yes, panic is a dead end |
| 00:47:55 | LinusN | dvr-505: how big is your hard drive? |
| 00:48:30 | dvr-505 | 20 |
| 00:48:44 | dvr-505 | unit: jbr20101 |
| 00:48:45 | LinusN | Zagor: cluster size may matter |
| 00:48:52 | JorisH | does rockbox internally keep track of file lenght while recording? |
| 00:48:56 | Zagor | good point. which size are you using? |
| 00:49:09 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 00:49:21 | JorisH | do a checkdisk |
| 00:49:29 | dvr-505 | checking |
| 00:49:37 | LinusN | the 56th write fails when closing |
| 00:50:50 | LinusN | Contains a free cluster (13824). Assuming EOF. |
| 00:50:50 | LinusN | File size is 65617530 bytes, cluster chain length is 57524224 bytes. |
| 00:50:50 | LinusN | Truncating file to 57524224 bytes. |
| 00:50:50 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LinusN |
| 00:50:50 | LinusN | Reclaimed 629 unused clusters (10305536 bytes). |
| 00:50:52 | LinusN | Free cluster summary wrong (1215138 vs. really 1216804) |
| 00:51:25 | Zagor | 10305536/629/512 == 32 sec/clus |
| 00:52:13 | LinusN | Boot sector contents: |
| 00:52:14 | LinusN | System ID "MSDOS5.0" |
| 00:52:14 | LinusN | Media byte 0xf8 (hard disk) |
| 00:52:14 | LinusN | 512 bytes per logical sector |
| 00:52:14 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 00:52:14 | LinusN | 16384 bytes per cluster |
| 00:52:14 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 00:52:14 | LinusN | 36 reserved sectors |
| 00:52:15 | Zagor | I still can't repeat it in the sim, though |
| 00:52:18 | LinusN | First FAT starts at byte 18432 (sector 36) |
| 00:52:20 | LinusN | 2 FATs, 32 bit entries |
| 00:52:22 | LinusN | 4881408 bytes per FAT (= 9534 sectors) |
| 00:52:24 | LinusN | Root directory start at cluster 2 (arbitrary size) |
| 00:52:26 | LinusN | Data area starts at byte 9781248 (sector 19104) |
| 00:52:28 | LinusN | 1220341 data clusters (2814197760 bytes) |
| 00:52:30 | LinusN | 63 sectors/track, 255 heads |
| 00:52:32 | LinusN | 63 hidden sectors |
| 00:52:35 | LinusN | 39070017 sectors total |
| 00:52:53 | dvr-505 | the file that was recording was +65mb and now has only 61.8mb |
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| 00:58:51 | Zagor | LinusN: can you debug it and see if file->fileoffset is bad or if fat_seek() bugs? |
| 00:59:09 | LinusN | no serial port |
| 00:59:16 | Zagor | this is the fm? |
| 00:59:27 | LinusN | yes, i don't get it on my rec20 |
| 00:59:35 | Zagor | :-( |
| 00:59:52 | LinusN | but i can do some good ol' lcd debugging |
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| 01:06:44 | LinusN | file offset looks ok |
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| 01:16:10 | * | LinusN is running an extensive test |
| 01:17:50 | LinusN | Zagor: nothing extraordinary to report |
| 01:18:22 | Zagor | ok. i'll be off to bed. |
| 01:18:29 | LinusN | chicken |
| 01:18:34 | Zagor | :-) |
| 01:18:54 | Zagor | see you later |
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| 01:20:56 | adi|home | LinusN: you still around? |
| 01:21:02 | LinusN | i'm here |
| 01:21:16 | adi|home | you been upto date on the ui emails? |
| 01:21:25 | LinusN | not really |
| 01:21:42 | LinusN | but i think i agree with joaquim on many points |
| 01:22:04 | adi|home | so do i .. i just think his problem is on how he is presenting it |
| 01:22:18 | LinusN | that is at least part of the problem |
| 01:22:34 | adi|home | nods |
| 01:22:38 | LinusN | he is too focused on the concept of an ordinary music player |
| 01:22:43 | adi|home | i like his cursor invert idea |
| 01:22:46 | adi|home | for the full line part |
| 01:22:50 | LinusN | the recorder is not an ordinary player |
| 01:22:53 | adi|home | nods |
| 01:23:12 | adi|home | and his tetris thing... i think i like it sideways like it is now more |
| 01:23:37 | adi|home | thing that i think gets under my skin the most is 'tell me what parts you want, and then Ill make that patch' |
| 01:23:55 | adi|home | feels too much like 'you have to take more then one patch at a time or else' |
| 01:24:15 | LinusN | you have to see his point too |
| 01:24:36 | LinusN | he hacked it so it fitted his needs |
| 01:24:54 | LinusN | "fitted" ?? |
| 01:24:58 | LinusN | fit? |
| 01:25:10 | adi|home | fit i think |
| 01:25:11 | LinusN | fit - fit - fit |
| 01:25:13 | adi|home | right.. i agree.. |
| 01:25:27 | adi|home | but he's been asked (multiple times) to break it out into more then one patch |
| 01:25:44 | LinusN | he has no obligations to us |
| 01:26:01 | adi|home | i agree... |
| 01:26:09 | adi|home | just as we have none to him ;) |
| 01:26:20 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:27:14 | LinusN | the thing is that all UI discussions tend to flip out sooner or later |
| 01:27:22 | adi|home | flip out? |
| 01:27:28 | LinusN | sorry, swenglish |
| 01:27:45 | adi|home | give me a definition once and you can use it all you want :) |
| 01:27:50 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:28:02 | * | LinusN is thinking |
| 01:28:09 | adi|home | flip out: become an ego contest? |
| 01:28:10 | adi|home | or |
| 01:28:18 | adi|home | flip out: get resolved |
| 01:28:34 | LinusN | rather "out of hand" |
| 01:28:56 | LinusN | people have different needs |
| 01:29:06 | adi|home | nods |
| 01:29:08 | LinusN | joaquim wants to play music in his pocket |
| 01:29:11 | adi|home | i agree |
| 01:29:19 | LinusN | i want to do a lot more than that |
| 01:29:37 | LinusN | so we need to find a way to accomodate as many needs as possible |
| 01:29:37 | adi|home | while i use my player only when driving.. so don't care about the interface all that much |
| 01:29:51 | LinusN | but you must have similar needs |
| 01:30:00 | adi|home | nah |
| 01:30:06 | LinusN | like not being forced to look at the lcd |
| 01:30:08 | adi|home | all i need is a large font and usable wps |
| 01:30:56 | adi|home | what i do like though.. is someone gave a demo of horizontal sliders |
| 01:30:58 | adi|home | that i liked... |
| 01:31:31 | adi|home | the idea of having many of the settings in one window was one i mentioned long ago.. but got a 'we'll deal with that later' for :) |
| 01:31:34 | adi|home | which was cool |
| 01:33:12 | jzoss | while y'all are in a UI discussion.... |
| 01:33:40 | jzoss | Part of my ID3 patch is the ability to set ID3 tags for recordings (rather than edit the file after the fact) |
| 01:34:20 | jzoss | What do you think: 1) Hardcoded recording ID3 tags that reset to defaults every reboot |
| 01:34:32 | jzoss | 2) Blank ID3 defaults |
| 01:34:47 | adi|home | is there a 3? |
| 01:34:50 | jzoss | 3) Save/Load the last values along with the rest of config settings |
| 01:34:54 | adi|home | there we go :) |
| 01:34:57 | adi|home | i vote for 2 |
| 01:34:59 | LinusN | definitely 3 |
| 01:35:10 | LinusN | :-) |
| 01:35:13 | jzoss | If you think there's a need for 3, it's probably more flexible. |
| 01:35:31 | adi|home | i only vote for 2, because i tend not to use id3 tags at all |
| 01:35:32 | jzoss | I don't think I'll go as far as doing a Cfg option for "choose 2 vs 3 behavior", though |
| 01:35:39 | adi|home | but 3 works just as well :) |
| 01:35:45 | adi|home | nah.. no need for that |
| 01:36:00 | jzoss | yah, me too. But I do have the need to edit ID3 tags on the JB when I find one that's wrong, though |
| 01:36:10 | dvr-505 | uh all 3??? |
| 01:36:23 | dvr-505 | give people option |
| 01:36:35 | dvr-505 | ? |
| 01:37:34 | jzoss | Too many options make me sad. Especially for relatively trivial stuff like this. =) |
| 01:37:53 | dvr-505 | ok |
| 01:38:21 | jzoss | But that doesn't mean *you* can't hack the code to add in your own preferences. =) Go Rockbox! |
| 01:39:39 | dvr-505 | During the recording the screen could show Press Off to STOP |
| 01:39:39 | dvr-505 | And |
| 01:39:39 | dvr-505 | also the peak meter could be shown in stereo when the internal mic is in use |
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| 01:39:39 | dvr-505 | sorry |
| 01:39:39 | dvr-505 | not for here |
| 01:44:26 | dvr-505 | anything new about the recording error?????? |
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| 01:45:07 | LinusN | dvr-505: still hunting |
| 01:45:22 | dvr-505 | ok |
| 01:49:46 | dvr-505 | tks |
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| 05:27:39 | Nibbler | ello |
| 05:27:46 | jzoss | hiya |
| 05:28:09 | Nibbler | wow, didnt expect anyone to be around :) |
| 05:29:35 | jzoss | It's only 10:30 here |
| 05:29:39 | jzoss | (PM) |
| 05:30:42 | Nibbler | heh, 12:30 here :) |
| 05:31:01 | Nibbler | but for most ppl in here its like 3-5am |
| 05:31:46 | jzoss | yah. I caught zagor on today and peppered him with a kazillion questions... pesky timezones. ;) |
| 05:34:11 | Nibbler | heh, where r u from? |
| 05:34:33 | Nibbler | and: is there any mayor features in rockbox since.... playlist building? |
| 05:34:43 | jzoss | San Antonio, TX, USA |
| 05:35:06 | jzoss | PlaylistBuilding => that "create a playlist" option that scans all subdirs? |
| 05:35:15 | Nibbler | yus |
| 05:35:19 | Nibbler | ah, singapore here.... |
| 05:35:49 | jzoss | Lemme see.... I came onboard after that was in place, so I can only tell you the more recent things |
| 05:36:21 | jzoss | There's a queueing function to let you dynamically queue things up in the middle of an existing playlist |
| 05:37:04 | jzoss | And a "bookmarking" patch (not integrated into CVS yet) that allows you to save file-specific resume info (helpful for audio books) |
| 05:37:40 | jzoss | A whole host of minor bugfixes... |
| 05:37:42 | Nibbler | thats what i have in my version :) |
| 05:37:52 | jzoss | My brain's a little slow, so that's all I can come up with now. =) |
| 05:38:07 | Nibbler | bookmark and queue, but queue with only the 1 enque option, so no, insert, append, prepend.... |
| 05:38:20 | jzoss | right |
| 05:38:39 | Nibbler | ok, then im enough up-to-date |
| 05:38:40 | Nibbler | :) |
| 05:38:42 | jzoss | I'm working on an ID3 patch and another for custom filenaming for recording files |
| 05:38:54 | Nibbler | caus most patches were not to applie to latest sources... |
| 05:39:01 | Nibbler | oh nice |
| 05:39:12 | jzoss | And there's quite a few people bouncing around new UI designs or ideas for playlist editing |
| 05:39:17 | jzoss | So checkback in a bit. =) |
| 05:39:22 | Nibbler | i looked into the code a few times but i dont feel like being able to actually do smth :() |
| 05:39:45 | Nibbler | the UI kinda suxx yes, i dont really like it as it is now |
| 05:40:05 | jzoss | 2.0 should be released soon (there's kinda a feature freeze) |
| 05:40:16 | jzoss | I think UI is high on the list of post-2.0 things to tackle |
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| 05:41:35 | Nibbler | oi |
| 05:41:53 | Nibbler | well, i was more up-to-date for normal, but im on vacation atm so i conly check for news once in a while :) |
| 05:44:22 | jzoss | vacation? I'm jealous. ;) |
| 05:44:34 | Nibbler | hehe |
| 05:44:56 | Nibbler | im in singapore right now (as my hostmasks might have told ya) go9ing back to germany next week :( |
| 05:45:21 | jzoss | what're you seeing in singapore? |
| 05:45:52 | Nibbler | heh, my gf :D |
| 05:46:09 | Nibbler | doing mainly shopping in .sg and going to malaysia for the weekends for holiday |
| 05:46:12 | jzoss | ahhh...Singapore is not usually tops on people's touristylists |
| 05:47:47 | Nibbler | yus :) |
| 05:47:58 | Nibbler | its good for electronics, digicams, computers stuff |
| 05:48:06 | Nibbler | and i got some suits tailored... but thats about it : |
| 05:48:07 | Nibbler | ) |
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| 05:52:35 | * | adi|home yawns |
| 05:52:37 | adi|home | howdy all |
| 05:52:46 | jzoss | what're you doing up, adi? |
| 05:53:24 | adi|home | only like midnight here |
| 05:53:29 | adi|home | im tossing in laundry |
| 05:53:33 | adi|home | and working on a patch |
| 05:53:35 | jzoss | ahh... me too! =) |
| 05:53:43 | jzoss | laundry + patch. ;) |
| 05:54:08 | adi|home | lol |
| 05:54:11 | adi|home | what you working on? |
| 05:54:33 | jzoss | that silly id3 stuff. I got 90% of it done real quick, but the last few details & debugging take forever |
| 05:55:34 | adi|home | nods |
| 05:56:33 | adi|home | im working adding the curor bit that since Carvalho seems adament about not breaking his bit up into diff patches |
| 05:56:39 | * | adi|home grumbles at that dudes attitude |
| 05:56:59 | jzoss | ahhh... yup. |
| 05:57:11 | adi|home | "you tell me what you want, and ill make the patch" |
| 05:57:17 | jzoss | Maybe it's a culture/language barrier ? |
| 05:57:19 | * | jzoss shrugs |
| 05:57:22 | adi|home | we have yout tool.. we want you to _BREAK_ them out |
| 05:57:30 | adi|home | nah.. its personality |
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| 06:00:02 | jzoss | is it at least readable code? |
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| 06:04:02 | adi|home | im not too worried about his code to be honest |
| 06:04:12 | adi|home | at this point, im fairly against him in general |
| 06:04:28 | adi|home | if he isn't going to take the time to break it out, im not going to take the time to read it |
| 06:05:58 | jzoss | such is the joy of global opensource projects. For the most part, the rockbox crowd seems to get along pretty well. |
| 06:06:07 | jzoss | Could help that there's a lot of family involved. ;) |
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| 06:21:16 | adi|home | yeah.. that and most of the group is open for comments... |
| 06:21:28 | adi|home | i've had my fair share of stuff shot down.. |
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| 06:21:36 | adi|home | and ive been willing/able to work around it.. |
| 06:21:41 | jzoss | heh. yah. |
| 06:21:48 | adi|home | i mean.. even before when he was argueing the use of the c++ style comments |
| 06:21:59 | adi|home | it took bjorn saying 'deal with it' to get him to change |
| 06:22:14 | jzoss | rightright... that seemed a little going-against-the-flow |
| 06:23:22 | MT | i think you are being a little harsh tbh |
| 06:24:00 | MT | hes done this mainly to scratch his own itch |
| 06:24:18 | MT | and beign a nice open source kind of chappy, hes made his changes go upstream |
| 06:24:58 | MT | he probably doesnt _want_ to be part of 'rockbox community' |
| 06:25:06 | adi|home | oh.. im not knocking his want at his itch.. |
| 06:25:30 | adi|home | and thats fine.. but to come across saying 'im not making the changes.. i don't have time.. im just going to keep doing what i want.. ' |
| 06:25:31 | MT | but hes happy to rewrite any part of what hes done if someone here decides they'd like that included |
| 06:25:35 | adi|home | i have no prob with... |
| 06:25:48 | adi|home | MT but thats my point |
| 06:26:09 | adi|home | we can't _tell_ what we want.. because im not about to apply his ENTIRE patch to see what i do/don't like |
| 06:26:24 | adi|home | there maybe things that are broken in parts of th patch that I don't like |
| 06:26:26 | MT | ui arguments tend to get heated very quickly :) |
| 06:26:37 | adi|home | and they are only there because of parts of another part of the patch |
| 06:26:45 | MT | erm, thats perhaps why he has supplied prebuilt binaries of his code |
| 06:26:50 | adi|home | but im not on about his ui suggestons... |
| 06:27:09 | adi|home | but it doesn't help us decide what to and not to take... |
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| 06:27:27 | MT | i must be missing something here .. |
| 06:27:30 | adi|home | and he's shown himself want of following contributing guidlines.. |
| 06:27:32 | adi|home | and he still is |
| 06:27:49 | adi|home | im all for some of the changes he's made |
| 06:28:00 | adi|home | and if they were seperate patches.. they would be in already.. |
| 06:28:01 | MT | hmm, i think hes on the defensive tbh |
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| 06:28:14 | adi|home | thats his own fault... |
| 06:28:23 | MT | his first few emails were attacked quite viciously |
| 06:28:31 | adi|home | i don't think that so true |
| 06:28:37 | adi|home | he was asked to follow the contrib doc |
| 06:28:50 | adi|home | and he said 'im not doing anything wrong' |
| 06:29:03 | MT | so? |
| 06:29:12 | adi|home | it was explained what the changes we would have liked to see in the style.. and then he got defensice |
| 06:29:17 | adi|home | defensive rather :) |
| 06:29:38 | MT | well, sure if he wanted to become part of the rockbox project .. |
| 06:29:45 | adi|home | no |
| 06:29:53 | adi|home | if he wanted his patches accepted |
| 06:29:54 | MT | but if he just wanted to share some code he had done for himself |
| 06:30:23 | MT | ah, he probably doesnt see the overall aim as "getting patches accepted" |
| 06:30:57 | adi|home | right.. and i think thats part of the problem.. |
| 06:31:04 | adi|home | if he doesn't 'want patches accepted' then fine |
| 06:31:08 | adi|home | say that and move forward |
| 06:31:12 | MT | why is that a problem? |
| 06:31:23 | adi|home | but the attitude of 'you tell me what you want.. and _then_ ill fix my code' is crap. |
| 06:31:43 | adi|home | him not wanting it in as a patch isn't a problem at all. |
| 06:31:46 | adi|home | its his code. |
| 06:31:46 | MT | he _has_ to submit changes to the source code of rockbox |
| 06:31:53 | adi|home | thats up to him. |
| 06:31:56 | MT | as he is distributing binaries of it |
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| 06:32:36 | MT | yes |
| 06:32:38 | MT | it is GPL |
| 06:32:44 | MT | he has to under the license |
| 06:32:49 | adi|home | i understand... |
| 06:32:56 | adi|home | im not argueing that point... |
| 06:33:02 | MT | whether you accept them, ignore them, ask him to rewrite them is not relevant |
| 06:33:12 | adi|home | but he isn't saying 'i don't want this accepted..' |
| 06:33:36 | MT | but the first thing ppl said to him after showing them his work is "well that all needs rewriting, change it so its like this, blahblah" |
| 06:33:41 | adi|home | if when he was asked to rewrite.. he said 'no' id be defending him to the last |
| 06:33:42 | MT | fine for a rockbox developer |
| 06:33:51 | MT | well he did say no |
| 06:33:57 | adi|home | no. he didn't. |
| 06:34:05 | MT | he said "why should i change my comments" |
| 06:34:09 | MT | thats 'no' |
| 06:34:11 | MT | ;) |
| 06:35:29 | adi|home | no.. its a question |
| 06:35:35 | adi|home | 'i won't change my comments' is a no :) |
| 06:36:11 | jzoss | g'night, all... don't stay up *too* late. heh. =) |
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| 06:36:52 | adi|home | and his entire time he's been saying 'i don't have time <insert line here>' and i appreaciate that.. but a lot more time could be used productively (for all involved) not reiterating that, and following the docs :) |
| 06:38:08 | adi|home | and im looking over the archives right now.. |
| 06:38:17 | adi|home | and the initial emails were nowhere near attacking |
| 06:38:38 | adi|home | many of the emails were actually very complimentary of the _binaries_ he was sending out.. (no code given at the time) |
| 06:43:14 | MT | (05:37) <o~jzoss> g'night, all... don't stay up *too* late. heh. =) |
| 06:43:15 | MT | doh |
| 06:43:21 | MT | too late already? :) |
| 06:43:36 | adi|home | lol |
| 06:43:40 | adi|home | 15 to 1 am here |
| 06:43:45 | MT | heh |
| 06:43:49 | MT | i wish it was here too :) |
| 06:44:09 | MT | i may stand a chance of finishing this website before the guy that has paid me comes back from holiday :) |
| 06:44:56 | adi|home | hhhehehe |
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| 08:18:01 | Bagder | morning |
| 08:18:43 | dwihno | Indeed, it's a really good morning! :) |
| 08:18:50 | dwihno | Nah, who am I trying to fool... ;) |
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| 08:30:27 | Nibbler | re |
| 08:30:43 | Bagder | hi |
| 08:35:09 | * | dwihno awaits the return of Zagor |
| 08:54:15 | adi|home | Bagder.. need an opinion? |
| 08:54:19 | adi|home | http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/test.html |
| 08:54:35 | adi|home | since the irc logs now spam a full year.. we need to tell the month differences... |
| 08:54:40 | adi|home | is that legable? |
| 08:58:00 | Bagder | looks neat |
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| 08:58:35 | adi|home | think there is any prob if i update the irc perl script to have it do tat? |
| 08:58:42 | adi|home | hey.. zagor.. good timing... |
| 08:58:45 | adi|home | http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/test.html |
| 08:58:56 | adi|home | opinions to fix the irc log years thing |
| 08:59:10 | Zagor_ | looks good |
| 08:59:17 | adi|home | k |
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| 09:02:10 | dwihno | Howdy ho, Zagor! |
| 09:02:14 | dwihno | Do I got news for you! |
| 09:02:21 | Zagor | yeah? |
| 09:02:29 | dwihno | I got a red light hang today |
| 09:02:49 | Zagor | yeah, I know the fix doesn't work. someone mentioned in the bug report. |
| 09:03:40 | dwihno | Do you want me to run some kind of debug enabled build, to find out exactly where it hangs? |
| 09:04:07 | Zagor | only if you can repeat it easily |
| 09:05:26 | dwihno | :-/ |
| 09:05:42 | dwihno | It's a surprise feature |
| 09:05:50 | Zagor | yeah... :-( |
| 09:06:01 | dwihno | I could go back to the file display |
| 09:06:11 | dwihno | but when I tried to start a new file, it froze |
| 09:06:22 | Zagor | yup |
| 09:06:27 | Zagor | very annoying |
| 09:07:15 | dwihno | The bug is because of disk read failing? |
| 09:07:25 | Zagor | i think so |
| 09:07:46 | dwihno | I mean, I never had the problem with the unit at home :) |
| 09:08:33 | Zagor | I've never had the problem PERIOD. and yet I ride with it to work every day. |
| 09:09:53 | dwihno | I never had the problem with my IBM disk |
| 09:10:37 | adi|home | zagor.. we have lines commented out in irclogs.pl... any prob if i remove them? |
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| 09:12:31 | Zagor | no problem |
| 09:12:40 | adi|home | k |
| 09:13:48 | adi|home | k.. i think i have it.. wanna take a copy of the script and see if it the output looks right before i commit/ |
| 09:13:50 | adi|home | ? |
| 09:15:12 | * | adi|home is away: laundry |
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| 09:20:23 | * | adi|home is back (gone 00:05:08) |
| 09:20:43 | adi|home | Zagor did you take that file? |
| 09:21:51 | dwihno | Zagor: is there any way I can help with squishing the red light bug? I can run special builds if that helps. |
| 09:22:53 | Zagor | adi|home: no, I can't dcc here. i'm going through a proxy. |
| 09:23:06 | Zagor | dwihno: i'm not sure what more I should attempt |
| 09:23:22 | adi|home | ahhh.. okay.. |
| 09:25:24 | adi|home | bjorn at haxx.se right? |
| 09:25:27 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:26:01 | adi|home | sent |
| 09:26:17 | adi|home | it also fixes the lack of a <tr> at the start of the first row in the table |
| 09:31:57 | dwihno | Zagor: If you come up with any ideas, I will gladly assist. |
| 09:32:07 | adi|home | oh.. i ment to ask you something zag... |
| 09:32:13 | Zagor | dwihno: I guess we could try to use a hard reset |
| 09:32:31 | adi|home | regarding the idea of dynamically loading sokoban levels... |
| 09:32:36 | adi|home | small problem |
| 09:32:49 | adi|home | do we treat # as a comment char? |
| 09:33:10 | adi|home | if so, we need to reedit the labels, because '#' is a mapable char |
| 09:33:15 | dwihno | Zagor: what's the difference? |
| 09:33:16 | Zagor | define "we" |
| 09:33:27 | dwihno | Zagor: soft (and hard) resets sounds pretty serious |
| 09:33:38 | adi|home | webmind: whoever is building the levels or editing the code (ie: Rob) :) |
| 09:33:49 | adi|home | gree.. s/webmind/we/ |
| 09:34:33 | Zagor | adi|home: i doubt there is support for comments in the sokoban loader. but I haven't looked... |
| 09:34:35 | adi|home | or i can make ';' a comment char, but it then differs from all our other text files... |
| 09:34:53 | adi|home | well.. there isn't in ours because its not built yet ;) |
| 09:35:05 | Zagor | ooh :) |
| 09:35:13 | Zagor | no need for comments, imho |
| 09:35:20 | * | adi|home is writing it |
| 09:35:37 | Bagder | comments are for losers ;-) |
| 09:36:02 | adi|home | "...all code should be self-documenting..." |
| 09:36:12 | adi|home | "...even God has DNA..." |
| 09:36:30 | Zagor | no I don't |
| 09:36:42 | adi|home | lol |
| 09:36:45 | adi|home | i said God |
| 09:36:47 | adi|home | not god |
| 09:36:51 | adi|home | big difference :) |
| 09:37:03 | adi|home | you are _a_ god, not _the_ god |
| 09:37:04 | Zagor | :) |
| 09:41:19 | Zagor | details |
| 09:42:09 | Zagor | adi|home: if irclog.pl works, commit it |
| 09:42:27 | Zagor | I'm a bit occupied atm |
| 09:44:42 | adi|home | okay... |
| 09:54:52 | MeRWiN | Woohoo!!! I just finished my first game on the PocketPC :-) a Collapse! clone. The graphics lib lets it run in both PocketPC and Win32... fun stuff |
| 09:55:17 | Zagor | who wants pocketpc when there's rockbox? :-) |
| 09:55:37 | MeRWiN | Zagor: hey, the logic for the game is all there, written in standard C. Someone could port it to rockbox :) |
| 09:55:52 | MeRWiN | although without a mouse or pen it'll be pretty hard to play |
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| 09:57:01 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 09:58:01 | MeRWiN | hi |
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| 10:08:09 | Schnueff | moin |
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| 11:09:52 | thewookie | hello all, sorry for butting in.. can anybody tell me how to que songs whilst playing on the fly ona a player? |
| 11:11:31 | Zagor | thewookie: press ON to go to the browser, select a file, press ON+PLAY and then PLAY again |
| 11:11:41 | thewookie | thanks.. |
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| 11:52:00 | Nibbler | lo |
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| 12:01:28 | Elkhedewi | hey people |
| 12:01:34 | Bagder | hi |
| 12:01:39 | Elkhedewi | can i ask a question..? |
| 12:01:47 | Bagder | shoot! |
| 12:01:51 | Elkhedewi | i get the hd register error with the recorder.. |
| 12:02:02 | Elkhedewi | the computer can't read from the hard disk |
| 12:02:54 | Elkhedewi | you know anything about it, bagder? |
| 12:04:14 | Elkhedewi | hello? |
| 12:05:00 | Elkhedewi | k thanx anyway |
| 12:06:22 | * | Bagder is busy |
| 12:12:17 | Elkhedewi | does anybody know anything about hd register error? |
| 12:12:37 | Elkhedewi | i checked forums sites and its all complaints but no solutions... |
| 12:13:25 | Nibbler | me no |
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| 12:19:34 | Bagder | impatient person |
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| 12:24:20 | Nibbler | :) |
| 12:50:12 | quelsaruk | cu later |
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| 14:55:29 | bobTHC | hi all!!! |
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| 15:03:08 | dwihno | hi bob! |
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| 15:09:34 | bobTHC | have see the http://www.greenmountaintraders.com/rockbox.html page?? |
| 15:10:04 | bobTHC | name stealers ? |
| 15:11:13 | dwihno | :~( |
| 15:11:16 | dwihno | that's sad |
| 15:11:47 | Schnueff | hm:( |
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| 16:26:57 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 16:26:59 | quelsaruk | again... |
| 16:27:01 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 16:29:19 | Bagder | hey |
| 16:30:53 | quelsaruk | ho |
| 16:39:59 | dwihno | hey ho |
| 16:40:06 | dwihno | fix my bo' (x) |
| 16:40:09 | dwihno | I want more RAM |
| 16:40:15 | quelsaruk | me too |
| 16:40:31 | quelsaruk | do you know anything else about that compact flash upgrade?? |
| 16:41:26 | dwihno | nothing |
| 16:41:40 | quelsaruk | jums... |
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| 16:41:47 | dwihno | I'll bribe someone into mod:ing my box |
| 16:41:56 | quelsaruk | that would be a crazy but interesting mod |
| 16:42:20 | dwihno | I want a dir cache! :) |
| 16:42:29 | quelsaruk | dwihno: if you find someone that can do it.. i'll send you my box, so he/she can do 2 mods :) |
| 16:42:29 | dwihno | Imagine how blazingly fast dir browsing would be |
| 16:42:49 | dwihno | quelsaruk: Let's bribe Linus :) |
| 16:42:55 | quelsaruk | hehehehe |
| 16:43:09 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 16:43:24 | dwihno | I'll bribe him with Kebab (starka såsen på) |
| 16:44:26 | quelsaruk | i'll use alhambra 1925, the best beer :) |
| 16:44:48 | quelsaruk | spanish beer is normal, but this one.... it's excellent |
| 16:45:35 | bobTHC | san miguel is not so good |
| 16:46:22 | bobTHC | i never try the alhambra 1925..... next summer i'll try it |
| 16:48:33 | quelsaruk | san miguel is a bad beer |
| 16:48:48 | quelsaruk | bobTHC: you can find alhambra 1925 just in Granada :) |
| 16:49:24 | bobTHC | but in genral when i go to spain i drink absynth or calimuxo |
| 16:49:48 | quelsaruk | calimocho!! : |
| 16:49:49 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 16:50:45 | bobTHC | en pais basquo se escribe con un X |
| 16:50:55 | bobTHC | san fermin rulez!! |
| 16:50:58 | bobTHC | ;) |
| 16:51:42 | bobTHC | i try to go to san fermin every year... |
| 16:52:15 | bobTHC | it' so good! |
| 16:54:23 | quelsaruk | hehe... |
| 16:54:30 | quelsaruk | running in front of a bull? |
| 16:54:40 | quelsaruk | just for northern people... they are crazy |
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| 17:58:12 | mauli | Hi! I have one question: Did anybody of you really try to use ordinary 1.5V - Batteries in the Jukebox? |
| 17:58:26 | Schnueff | i think this doesnt work |
| 17:58:39 | Schnueff | because ordinary batteries can't deliver the current to spin up the HD |
| 17:59:03 | mauli | you think i need the 1.5 A? |
| 17:59:13 | Schnueff | hm? |
| 17:59:42 | mauli | the batteries have 1,500 mAh |
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| 18:00:06 | Schnueff | yes |
| 18:00:17 | Schnueff | maybe just read http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery-faq.html ? |
| 18:00:26 | Schnueff | q9 / q8 |
| 18:00:51 | barker`coding | and get these: http://store.yahoo.com/greenbatteries-store/gp20nimaabat.html |
| 18:01:27 | mauli | wow! how many hours with these? |
| 18:02:34 | barker`coding | I'm not sure. |
| 18:03:10 | barker`coding | But it's like having an extra battery and a third. Combined with the 8meg mod, you should be good to go for quite a while. |
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| 18:08:23 | tracktheripper | Good afternoon Rockboxers |
| 18:10:43 | barker`coding | yo |
| 18:11:26 | tracktheripper | Hi there |
| 18:11:36 | tracktheripper | just checking out the Feature Requests |
| 18:11:50 | tracktheripper | One "Rejected" request is now implemented in the daily builds |
| 18:12:11 | Schnueff | highly illogical |
| 18:12:12 | barker`coding | which is that? |
| 18:12:13 | Schnueff | :) |
| 18:12:20 | tracktheripper | its the "Vocal Remover (Karaoke) mode" |
| 18:12:24 | barker`coding | Ah. |
| 18:12:25 | barker`coding | I hate that. |
| 18:12:26 | barker`coding | :) |
| 18:12:39 | quelsaruk | hi tracktheripper! |
| 18:12:49 | tracktheripper | Zagor added a comment that said "This is a new codec, Go ask Micronas" |
| 18:12:52 | tracktheripper | Hey Quels! |
| 18:13:27 | tracktheripper | Im just baffled how it got implemented if it was rejected |
| 18:13:33 | PsycoXul | tracktheripper: yeah it was just a case where they didn't know enough about the hardware to know it's possible |
| 18:13:45 | PsycoXul | tracktheripper: but thought they did and that it wasn't |
| 18:13:55 | tracktheripper | oh ok fair enough |
| 18:14:02 | tracktheripper | im not having a go or anything |
| 18:14:14 | PsycoXul | it's happened a few times i think |
| 18:14:18 | PsycoXul | i suspect it may happen a few more |
| 18:14:19 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 18:14:19 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 18:14:44 | tracktheripper | and some of the most outrageous requests havent been rejected! Like the Make the Normal Recorder Pick Up FM one!!! |
| 18:14:52 | PsycoXul | i've suspected all along that they never know as much about the hardware as they think they do |
| 18:15:00 | Schnueff | heh |
| 18:15:00 | PsycoXul | but i know they'll find out eventualy heh |
| 18:15:16 | tracktheripper | In that case they may even make timestretching a posibillity |
| 18:15:26 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 18:15:36 | tracktheripper | <−−−− bursts into tears |
| 18:15:38 | PsycoXul | doubtful.. but who knows :p |
| 18:16:14 | tracktheripper | Quelsaruk has murdered his Archos :-( |
| 18:16:31 | quelsaruk | not really.... just tried to fry it |
| 18:16:45 | tracktheripper | think of all the pain you have caused ur Archos |
| 18:19:33 | tracktheripper | Timestretch should be theoretically possible on the Archos |
| 18:20:07 | bobTHC | yep |
| 18:20:27 | tracktheripper | after all you are doing is altering the song speed whilst keeping pitch constant |
| 18:20:30 | bobTHC | but only with DSP programming |
| 18:20:34 | tracktheripper | what??? |
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| 18:21:54 | tracktheripper | bobTHC will the arrowcurser ever change to a line selector? |
| 18:22:08 | tracktheripper | where the line "negative-ises" the chosen option? |
| 18:23:11 | bobTHC | i think it a good think but i dont know when nor who.... |
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| 18:24:49 | tracktheripper | sorry got cut off |
| 18:24:56 | bobTHC | :) |
| 18:24:57 | tracktheripper | ((bloody 56k modems)) |
| 18:25:16 | tracktheripper | yea did u get my question bobTHC? |
| 18:25:34 | bobTHC | i think it a good think but i dont know when nor who.... |
| 18:25:43 | tracktheripper | but u know what im saying? |
| 18:25:52 | bobTHC | of course... |
| 18:26:06 | tracktheripper | a lineselector that "negative-tises" the chosen option like on a mobilephone |
| 18:26:16 | bobTHC | yep |
| 18:26:21 | tracktheripper | cool |
| 18:26:49 | tracktheripper | someone said to me "the RIAA are gonna get you!" |
| 18:26:50 | bobTHC | for the time streching it's surely technicaly possible.... |
| 18:26:53 | tracktheripper | because of my name! |
| 18:26:54 | tracktheripper | heehee |
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| 18:27:25 | bobTHC | hehe... |
| 18:27:38 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 18:27:49 | tracktheripper | bob have you ever used timestretch? |
| 18:28:48 | bobTHC | with rockbox? |
| 18:28:57 | tracktheripper | no in a program like Soundforge |
| 18:29:03 | bobTHC | of course |
| 18:29:13 | tracktheripper | what do u think sounds better? |
| 18:29:21 | tracktheripper | timestretch or change the pitch? |
| 18:29:46 | bobTHC | basicly timestrech dont change the tone |
| 18:29:59 | tracktheripper | yea but in your opinion what sounds better to you |
| 18:30:22 | bobTHC | timestreching of course, i |
| 18:31:06 | bobTHC | for using in mix with lp or with 2 rockbox |
| 18:31:09 | tracktheripper | Bob have you ever used something called Realizer? |
| 18:31:35 | bobTHC | for mac? |
| 18:32:20 | tracktheripper | Realizer is a program that claims to improve MP3 sound by "restoring the frequencies lost by the MP3 compression" |
| 18:33:30 | tracktheripper | but I have to agree with Zagor that Realizer is a load of snake oil |
| 18:34:01 | bobTHC | u can't restoring something loose....i |
| 18:34:09 | barker`coding | How can they restore it? |
| 18:34:10 | barker`coding | It's gone. |
| 18:34:23 | tracktheripper | I sent it as a feature request which Zagor rejected |
| 18:35:03 | tracktheripper | yea but the company that makes Realizer make a lot of money by selling something that is just snake oil |
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| 18:36:13 | tracktheripper | all Realizer is "Loudness On Ice" :-) |
| 18:36:40 | bobTHC | it's normal all this type of software are based on software based DSP and we can't have enough cpu power o do that |
| 18:36:53 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 18:37:21 | tracktheripper | basically all it does is supercharge the bass and treble without adding any extra quality |
| 18:38:24 | tracktheripper | But I wouldn't mind seeing that "lineselector" to replace the arrowcursor |
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| 18:40:14 | quelsaruk | hi edx |
| 18:40:22 | tracktheripper | hi Edx |
| 18:40:51 | edx | hi |
| 18:41:20 | tracktheripper | Im worried incase Rockbox is now gonna be biased towards those who have the 8Mb RAM mod |
| 18:42:36 | tracktheripper | which leaves the majority of users out |
| 18:45:25 | PsycoXul | no, it's not |
| 18:45:28 | PsycoXul | why would it be |
| 18:45:31 | PsycoXul | How would it be? |
| 18:46:10 | PsycoXul | the only difference currently between the version for the 8MB mods and the other is that the version for the 8MB mods will use the 8MB |
| 18:49:02 | tracktheripper | oh right |
| 18:49:10 | tracktheripper | its just something I saw in the daily builds |
| 18:49:34 | tracktheripper | I really wanna "mod" mine but cannot source the chip |
| 18:50:07 | tracktheripper | any chance can someone mod mine for me please? |
| 18:53:09 | tracktheripper | Will the 8Mb version of Rockbox have extra features not present in the 2Mb version? |
| 18:54:12 | Schnueff | if someones programmes something |
| 18:54:27 | tracktheripper | ohhh |
| 18:56:42 | PsycoXul | like what? |
| 18:56:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 18:56:59 | Schnueff | like .. |
| 18:57:02 | tracktheripper | erm? timestretch? |
| 18:57:05 | Schnueff | .. |
| 18:57:22 | PsycoXul | how can you do that any easier with 8MB than 2MB? |
| 18:57:23 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 18:57:27 | bobTHC | timestrech is not a memory problem, just a DSP programming problem |
| 18:57:34 | tracktheripper | ohhhh |
| 18:57:51 | tracktheripper | well 8Mb could provide bigger playlists than 10,000 |
| 18:58:07 | PsycoXul | playlists are stored on disk not ram |
| 18:58:16 | PsycoXul | the 10,000 limit is arbitrary afaik |
| 18:58:24 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 18:58:35 | Schnueff | u need one pointer into the file per item, i think |
| 18:58:37 | tracktheripper | yea but they are loaded into RAM when starten |
| 18:58:40 | tracktheripper | started |
| 18:58:49 | PsycoXul | no |
| 18:58:53 | bobTHC | feature like next song precharging can be improve with 8mrg |
| 18:58:57 | PsycoXul | you just need an index |
| 18:59:07 | PsycoXul | it reads the file when it needs to |
| 18:59:11 | PsycoXul | since it has to read the mp3 data anyway |
| 18:59:14 | bobTHC | for ppl who zap alot |
| 18:59:41 | PsycoXul | bobTHC: yeah but i think thats more a problem with the ring-buffer system they use than the amount of ram isn't it? |
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| 19:00:03 | bobTHC | for the playlist limit? |
| 19:00:25 | bobTHC | i think too, not a memory pb |
| 19:00:51 | PsycoXul | i mean for precharging songs for zapping |
| 19:00:51 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:01:10 | bobTHC | hehe |
| 19:01:57 | PsycoXul | but i what i said about the ring-buffer might not even apply to what you meant by that |
| 19:02:06 | PsycoXul | so you're probably right |
| 19:02:07 | bobTHC | it's requier to change the buffering system |
| 19:02:07 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:03:02 | PsycoXul | maybe 8MB ones could run linux |
| 19:03:24 | bobTHC | nosense to run linux..... |
| 19:03:39 | PsycoXul | so? |
| 19:03:39 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 19:03:57 | PsycoXul | sure there is |
| 19:04:04 | PsycoXul | i wanna use vim on my player |
| 19:04:04 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 19:04:13 | Schnueff | cute :) |
| 19:04:15 | bobTHC | rockbox is better because is light and shape for the hardware, linux is too big |
| 19:04:27 | bobTHC | micro linux too |
| 19:04:42 | PsycoXul | you can strip down and shape linux for the hardware |
| 19:04:44 | bobTHC | vim without keyboard.... |
| 19:05:01 | PsycoXul | hey |
| 19:05:03 | PsycoXul | my pda can run vim |
| 19:05:13 | PsycoXul | it don't have a keyboard either |
| 19:05:13 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:05:21 | PsycoXul | and nethack |
| 19:05:29 | bobTHC | with handwrinting recognition ? |
| 19:05:47 | PsycoXul | well it's got the various SIP methods |
| 19:05:54 | PsycoXul | including a keyboard and handwriting recognition |
| 19:06:00 | PsycoXul | but it doesn't have a Real keyboard |
| 19:06:00 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:06:20 | PsycoXul | the linux project for my pda uses the direction pad and some other buttons for a keyboard |
| 19:06:23 | PsycoXul | we could do the same |
| 19:06:25 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:06:33 | PsycoXul | it's probably similar to rockbox's keyboard |
| 19:06:55 | bobTHC | linux with just hardware specific driver is about 1 meg, rockbox 200k |
| 19:07:20 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:07:27 | PsycoXul | oh come on |
| 19:07:27 | bobTHC | 200k with games and options.... |
| 19:07:43 | PsycoXul | i've had kernels for x86 with a bunch of stuff compiled that could've been modules being <1MB |
| 19:08:49 | bobTHC | look@ the linux for ipod.... 1.25meg without UI |
| 19:09:03 | PsycoXul | i've seen distros with web and ftp servers, web browsers, all kinds of stuff, even X with a choice of a couple different wm's |
| 19:09:06 | PsycoXul | all on 2 floppy's |
| 19:09:16 | bobTHC | routerlinux |
| 19:09:22 | bobTHC | of course |
| 19:09:33 | PsycoXul | it was trinux iirc that i tried that had all that |
| 19:09:34 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:09:47 | PsycoXul | and there was a 3rd floppy for some other stuff |
| 19:10:05 | PsycoXul | i bet the ipod linux isn't optimized as well as it could be either |
| 19:10:11 | PsycoXul | it's still a fairly new project isn't it? |
| 19:10:39 | PsycoXul | there's lots of stuff out there now for embedded linux |
| 19:10:41 | bobTHC | linux is in the ipod |
| 19:11:01 | PsycoXul | to make it leaner and more specific to whatever purposes and hardware |
| 19:11:03 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:12:12 | bobTHC | and this linux version made by apple(with all spec and optimized by pro...i think) , with UI and not a lot a feature is about 1 meg |
| 19:12:45 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 19:13:09 | PsycoXul | paid programmers with access to all the info doesn't necessarily mean that it's as lean and optimized as it can be |
| 19:13:21 | PsycoXul | in fact from all examples of such situations i've seen, it doesn't |
| 19:13:24 | bobTHC | for sure the best example is rockbox |
| 19:13:32 | PsycoXul | exactly |
| 19:14:26 | PsycoXul | so you see, you never know :p |
| 19:16:36 | bobTHC | but look, rockbox don't use linux, and run greatly, we can devellop for it, reuse already made programm with little change ....why use linux for specialised device with little screen .... |
| 19:17:32 | bobTHC | for is net support? |
| 19:17:35 | bobTHC | for vim? |
| 19:17:42 | bobTHC | vor is dev tools? |
| 19:18:58 | bobTHC | sorry time to go see u soon.... |
| 19:19:11 | bobTHC | bye |
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| 20:44:40 | tracktheripper | Hiiiiii |
| 20:49:55 | quelsaruk | re-hi |
| 20:50:28 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 20:50:42 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 20:50:45 | tracktheripper | I love to see my name in the Credits list but sadly cannot program :-( |
| 20:51:12 | quelsaruk | pay zagor a big amount of money and hw may include you ;) |
| 20:51:45 | tracktheripper | lol Zagor doesn't like me unfortunatly :-( |
| 20:53:40 | tracktheripper | never mind :-) |
| 20:55:02 | quelsaruk | :P |
| 20:55:08 | tracktheripper | heehee :-) |
| 20:56:18 | tracktheripper | I have a job for you Quel |
| 20:56:45 | quelsaruk | which one? |
| 20:57:36 | tracktheripper | Since the Inverter is now done, I wondered if you can do the "full line selector where the chosen option is negative-ised" patch :-) |
| 20:57:51 | quelsaruk | eins??? |
| 20:58:17 | quelsaruk | i don't understand |
| 20:58:40 | tracktheripper | you know what the menus look like in a Nokia mobile phone? |
| 20:59:29 | quelsaruk | umm |
| 20:59:33 | quelsaruk | i had a 3310 |
| 20:59:57 | quelsaruk | but now i have siemens and i forgot everything from the nokia :) |
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| 21:01:15 | quelsaruk | could you explain that for me? |
| 21:01:37 | tracktheripper | Do you have menus where you have a line that you move to choose the option you desire? |
| 21:02:14 | quelsaruk | some kind of under-line? |
| 21:02:33 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 21:03:09 | quelsaruk | that shouln't be hard to implement... just draw a line or something like that |
| 21:03:49 | tracktheripper | Quel you know the Set Time menu where u move a block to the parameter u wanna set? |
| 21:04:18 | quelsaruk | yups |
| 21:04:27 | quelsaruk | i know |
| 21:04:42 | tracktheripper | I mean something like that for the main menus |
| 21:04:53 | tracktheripper | that you move up and down to hilight the option u desire |
| 21:04:57 | quelsaruk | ahhhh |
| 21:05:01 | quelsaruk | now i understand |
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| 21:05:20 | tracktheripper | hence "negative-ised" as the option selected is inverted |
| 21:05:22 | quelsaruk | well.. as soon as i recover my poor and fried jukebox ill try |
| 21:05:40 | tracktheripper | but u know what im saying? |
| 21:07:04 | quelsaruk | i think so |
| 21:07:06 | quelsaruk | maybe no |
| 21:07:09 | quelsaruk | but think so |
| 21:07:10 | quelsaruk | XDD |
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| 21:08:04 | tracktheripper | A line would look much better than an arrow |
| 21:08:39 | quelsaruk | i'm getting crazy |
| 21:08:49 | tracktheripper | awwww |
| 21:09:00 | quelsaruk | could you make a "snapshot" using photoshop or something like that?? |
| 21:09:32 | tracktheripper | I could draw an idea of what im saying |
| 21:09:36 | barker`coding | I want the negatised line too, track. |
| 21:10:01 | tracktheripper | cool |
| 21:10:03 | tracktheripper | so u know what im saying Barker? |
| 21:10:22 | barker`coding | Yup. |
| 21:10:30 | barker`coding | It's in the Joaquim build. |
| 21:10:53 | tracktheripper | cool |
| 21:10:58 | barker`coding | yeah |
| 21:11:05 | tracktheripper | now if only someone will incorporate that into Rockbox |
| 21:11:18 | barker`coding | Yeah, it'd be nice to have it as a single patch that could be merged. |
| 21:11:26 | barker`coding | but all of Joaquim's changes are one giant patch. |
| 21:11:37 | barker`coding | So, you get the inverted bar, you get the alternate ui, too. |
| 21:11:40 | barker`coding | which I don't really like. |
| 21:11:48 | barker`coding | Though, I do like his updated icons a lot. |
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| 21:12:28 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 21:12:34 | tracktheripper | I really want that line |
| 21:12:43 | tracktheripper | but Zagor said its too slow |
| 21:12:51 | barker`coding | ... it's not too slow. |
| 21:13:01 | barker`coding | at least, not on the joaquim builds. |
| 21:13:09 | tracktheripper | It would be far easier to read than the arrow |
| 21:13:49 | tracktheripper | Barker whats the link for the redesigned interface? |
| 21:14:55 | quelsaruk | ahh |
| 21:15:01 | quelsaruk | then i understand what you want to say |
| 21:15:04 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 21:15:44 | tracktheripper | so Quel u know what Barker is on about? |
| 21:17:35 | barker`coding | Um... just a second. I'll find it. |
| 21:18:22 | tracktheripper | cheers. Im just gonna draw a pic so others know what we are on about |
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| 21:20:33 | barker`coding | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-02/0642.shtml |
| 21:22:01 | tracktheripper | thanx |
| 21:22:19 | tracktheripper | Im just doing a picture showing the difference between the 2 selectors |
| 21:22:36 | tracktheripper | You will download the pic from my request "Change the arrowcursor to a mobile-phone selector line" |
| 21:22:51 | barker`coding | np |
| 21:22:57 | barker`coding | what's the url? |
| 21:24:49 | tracktheripper | You will see the request in Feature Requests. Ill upload it to that |
| 21:24:55 | tracktheripper | you can download it from there |
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| 21:32:38 | quelsaruk | i must go |
| 21:32:47 | quelsaruk | cu tomorrow |
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| 21:40:51 | Stephen | hey |
| 21:45:29 | barker`coding | yo |
| 21:46:48 | Stephen | Just wondering if theres any one here who knows much about rockbox on the FM recorder |
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| 22:09:27 | tracktheripper | don't know much about FM rec |
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| 22:29:33 | Kamayaka | heyho |
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| 22:55:54 | tracktheripper | hey |
| 22:55:54 | tracktheripper | room |
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| 23:00:09 | tracktheripper | god some feature requests are weird |
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| 23:10:31 | mauli | Hi! I just wondered which AC/DC Car - Adaptor I could use to recharge the batteries in Recorder 20... |
| 23:10:38 | mauli | 9V/600mAh? |
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| 23:14:00 | mauli | anybody at home? |
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| 23:17:26 | mauli | hello? |
| 23:17:32 | Bagder | hi |
| 23:17:43 | mauli | at least, someone :-) |
| 23:17:51 | mauli | i've got a question |
| 23:17:54 | Bagder | shoot |
| 23:18:17 | tracktheripper | Hi Badger |
| 23:18:33 | mauli | if i want to buy an ac/dc car-adaptor for charging, which specifications is it supposed to have? |
| 23:18:53 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/battery-faq.html#10 |
| 23:20:28 | Stephen | I have a couple of questions also, when someone's free |
| 23:20:35 | Bagder | try us |
| 23:20:48 | mauli | only one question left: |
| 23:21:20 | mauli | the charger shipped by archos uses 1.2A, in the FAQ they recommend 0.6A, why's that? |
| 23:21:36 | Stephen | OK the first one isn't actually rockbox related, it's about the original archos firmware I still use it to listen to the radio etc. Suprise suprise archos support has been less than helpful |
| 23:22:12 | Bagder | mauli: I don't know much about those things, I just know what the wise guys have put in that FAQ |
| 23:22:45 | mauli | ok, nevertheless thanks, i'll continue to try... |
| 23:23:41 | Stephen | On my FM Recorder when I load my archos I have a small icon 2 spaces over from the "stop" icon on the top row which looks like |<, if I turn on repeat etc the icon appears on the right of it, so it's not that far over |
| 23:23:41 | Stephen | |
| 23:23:41 | Stephen | I was just wondering what this icon is as I can't find any reference to it in the manual |
| 23:24:02 | Bagder | in the original firmware? |
| 23:24:15 | Stephen | it also appears on the "archos jukebox charged..." screen, it seems to have no use or way of turning it off |
| 23:24:16 | Stephen | yes |
| 23:24:25 | Bagder | I have no idea |
| 23:24:39 | Bagder | I can't even remember when I used it the last time, and I've never seen it run on an FM |
| 23:24:50 | Stephen | Damn :D I'll have to phone them tomorrow then :D |
| 23:24:57 | Stephen | OK the rockbox question |
| 23:25:09 | Stephen | where is the deep discharge option? I can't find it anywhere |
| 23:26:14 | Bagder | it's not available on FM versions, iirc |
| 23:27:15 | Stephen | Oh right? any idea why cause it says it's on recorders, which is what the FM is |
| 23:27:39 | Bagder | nah, the FM is a "FM recorder" ;-) |
| 23:27:50 | Bagder | its a newcomer in the Rockbox family |
| 23:28:00 | Bagder | the docs still lack a bit on the separation I guess |
| 23:28:39 | Stephen | OK I see. Hopefully that will be added as I've had some had times with things with rechargeable batteries being left plugged in |
| 23:29:10 | Stephen | like my laptop :D all of a sudden the battery wouldn't hold more than 12 minutes of charge because it had been used plugged in most of the time with the battery in |
| 23:29:40 | Bagder | I think the FM charging is out of rockbox control |
| 23:29:49 | Stephen | Oh |
| 23:29:58 | Bagder | but I'm not 100% sure of that |
| 23:30:25 | Stephen | OK thanks |
| 23:30:26 | Stephen | GTG |
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| 23:43:00 | MT | lol |
| 23:43:19 | MT | the archos firmware playlist functionality is somewhat 'poor' |
| 23:43:29 | Bagder | hehe, yeah |
| 23:43:47 | Bagder | poor is a too positive word to describe it ;-) |
| 23:53:15 | MT | its finished :) |
| 23:53:35 | MT | i dont know how long that playlist was, but it took its sweet time :0 |
| 23:54:33 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:54:42 | Bagder | I do remember that |
| 23:54:49 | Bagder | makes playlist unusable |
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