| 00:00:16 | nikkelitous | So I need to try and figure out how the file would look without scramblin? |
| 00:00:27 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:00:37 | LinusN | example: |
| 00:00:53 | LinusN | the jbmm has an ARM CPU for what I know |
| 00:01:20 | LinusN | i guess the ARM CPU has an interrupt vector table at a fixed location |
| 00:01:33 | LinusN | so the file probably begins with a vector table |
| 00:01:53 | LinusN | such a table often has a caracteristic look |
| 00:01:54 | nikkelitous | vector table? |
| 00:02:07 | LinusN | interrupt vectors |
| 00:02:19 | nikkelitous | So the vector table would have to be unscrambled to work right? |
| 00:02:32 | LinusN | everything needs to be unscrambled |
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| 00:02:57 | LinusN | to crack the algorithm you need both cryptographic and hardware skills |
| 00:03:10 | nikkelitous | I guess that I'm not one to break it then. |
| 00:03:17 | LinusN | maybe not |
| 00:03:21 | nikkelitous | Heh. I'm not too good at that stuff. |
| 00:03:22 | tracktheripper | hey Linus |
| 00:03:25 | LinusN | yo |
| 00:03:28 | nikkelitous | Ah well. |
| 00:03:32 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 00:03:55 | nikkelitous | Who cracked the Jukebox20's scramble? |
| 00:04:00 | LinusN | tracktheripper: a new silly feature request? |
| 00:04:07 | LinusN | nikkelitous: i and zagor |
| 00:04:10 | tracktheripper | :-O |
| 00:04:13 | tracktheripper | what?! |
| 00:04:22 | nikkelitous | Ahh. Ok. |
| 00:04:36 | LinusN | tracktheripper: i just received an update from sourceforge |
| 00:04:44 | tracktheripper | :-( |
| 00:04:47 | tracktheripper | nothing silly |
| 00:04:53 | LinusN | [ rockbox-Feature Requests-700127 ] Support for .doc files as well as .txt files. |
| 00:05:09 | tracktheripper | erm, thats another tracktheripper :-| |
| 00:05:13 | nikkelitous | heh. Now thats a silly feature request. |
| 00:05:25 | LinusN | tracktheripper: do you know how .DOC files look like? |
| 00:05:34 | tracktheripper | yes, MS Word |
| 00:05:44 | LinusN | i mean the file format |
| 00:06:05 | tracktheripper | erm |
| 00:06:05 | tracktheripper | no |
| 00:06:11 | LinusN | msword files are not easily parsed |
| 00:06:26 | tracktheripper | :-\ |
| 00:06:40 | LinusN | the format is proprietary (thus evil), binary, and complicated |
| 00:06:46 | tracktheripper | well Notepad is part of Windows!!! (Microsoft!!) |
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| 00:07:03 | LinusN | notepad is a tool, not a file format |
| 00:07:15 | tracktheripper | :-( |
| 00:07:17 | tracktheripper | ((sulks)) |
| 00:07:20 | LinusN | :-) |
| 00:07:24 | nikkelitous | Notepad only uses plaintext which is easily read by anything. |
| 00:07:38 | tracktheripper | well Im ever so sorry I didn't realise |
| 00:07:40 | Hadaka | parsing .doc is so complicated it's rather hard to even fit in the 2 megabytes of space available :) |
| 00:07:42 | nikkelitous | and is almost cross-platform. |
| 00:07:48 | LinusN | tracktheripper: don't worry |
| 00:07:59 | LinusN | why do you want to read .doc files? |
| 00:08:12 | nikkelitous | It's easy to convert them to text. |
| 00:08:19 | tracktheripper | well in case u need to read a letter or the like on -the -fly |
| 00:08:42 | nikkelitous | Are they palm .doc or pc .doc? |
| 00:08:50 | tracktheripper | MS Word .doc |
| 00:08:56 | tracktheripper | pc .doc |
| 00:09:07 | nikkelitous | I would suggest just converting it to plaintext. |
| 00:09:09 | Hadaka | tracktheripper: your friends or workmakes are broken if you receive anything as .doc |
| 00:09:21 | Hadaka | s/workmakes/workmates/ |
| 00:09:31 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:09:41 | nikkelitous | Just copy and paste it into notepad. |
| 00:09:52 | tracktheripper | Well Linus who was the dickhead who subbmitted "Plug an ADSL modem into the Archos to make files transfer faster?" |
| 00:09:58 | nikkelitous | You'll lose the formatting but it will have all the text. |
| 00:10:11 | LinusN | tracktheripper: seriously, i understand that you haven't given much thought about the whole microsoft/closed source thing |
| 00:10:17 | tracktheripper | ok ok i must be punished by Linus and Zagor |
| 00:10:37 | LinusN | the ADSL modem request is hilarious |
| 00:10:51 | tracktheripper | surprised it hasnt beeen rejected |
| 00:10:54 | nikkelitous | That is funny. |
| 00:11:02 | LinusN | haven't had the time to rehect it |
| 00:11:05 | LinusN | reject |
| 00:11:12 | tracktheripper | If I had sent that I would put my name on id |
| 00:11:54 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 00:12:08 | tracktheripper | Seriously Linus I didnt know .doc was closed-source |
| 00:12:29 | tracktheripper | after all Star Office, WordPerfect are non-microsoft proggies that can read doc files |
| 00:13:00 | Hadaka | barely - neither does a very good job at it |
| 00:13:13 | Hadaka | are also a number of word-viewers - which are not much better either |
| 00:13:16 | LinusN | yes, they can read and write doc files thanks to great reverse engineering efforts |
| 00:13:26 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 00:13:31 | nikkelitous | Hey I have another question. With the Jukebox and everything I understand that there is a 2MB limit. Is that ram or the limit for firmware size? |
| 00:13:34 | tracktheripper | <−− is sorry for upsetting Linus |
| 00:13:53 | LinusN | the total RAM size is 2mb |
| 00:13:54 | Hadaka | you know, at one point in time, there was talk about Word something using a purely XML based save-format :) |
| 00:14:02 | LinusN | and the firmware resides in RAM |
| 00:14:23 | LinusN | the 200mb limit applies to the firmware file size |
| 00:14:38 | nikkelitous | Ahh ok. That makes sense. |
| 00:14:39 | Hadaka | 200Kb? |
| 00:14:56 | nikkelitous | So can you swap-out features from a file on disk? |
| 00:15:02 | LinusN | Hadaka: the ROM firmware refuses to load firmware files larger than about 200k |
| 00:15:09 | nikkelitous | like modules? |
| 00:15:14 | Hadaka | LinusN: I just commented that you said 200mb :) |
| 00:15:15 | LinusN | nikkelitous: we are working on plugins |
| 00:15:22 | nikkelitous | Ahh cool :) |
| 00:15:24 | LinusN | Hadaka: aha, silly me |
| 00:16:04 | tracktheripper | well Linus couldn't u do a "daisychain system" where you have a Rockbox ajz file that looks for ,say ajbrec2.ajz file for larger firnware sizes? |
| 00:16:14 | tracktheripper | if u wanted 400kb allocated to firmware |
| 00:16:14 | LinusN | tracktheripper: sure |
| 00:16:45 | LinusN | when we reach 200k, i guess we could call it bloated |
| 00:16:46 | tracktheripper | so the first ajz file is loaded then it looks for the second ajz file thereby enabling firmwares greater than 200kb |
| 00:17:14 | tracktheripper | :-| |
| 00:17:20 | nikkelitous | Right nnow it's around 76k I doubt it will need to daisy chain. |
| 00:17:53 | tracktheripper | so Linus ill expect to see my request "Fixed" tommorow morning :-) |
| 00:17:58 | Hadaka | well, if plugin support ever gets in, that'll be the better solution |
| 00:18:07 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 00:18:09 | LinusN | nikkelitous: mine is about 190k |
| 00:18:51 | tracktheripper | yea but the bigger the firmware the less space there is to buffer Mp3s when playingh |
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| 00:32:48 | adi|home | well.. consider that dynamically loading sokoban levels cuts the firmware ~30k |
| 00:33:00 | * | adi|home is working ont hat |
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| 01:44:38 | dvr-505 | hello |
| 01:44:48 | LinusN | hi |
| 01:45:04 | dvr-505 | what does the TOTAL mean when playing mp3????? |
| 01:45:36 | dvr-505 | and also.. is there anyway not to see id3d when playing mp3?? |
| 01:46:57 | LinusN | total? |
| 01:47:06 | LinusN | which build? |
| 01:47:09 | dvr-505 | yes |
| 01:47:25 | dvr-505 | 1702 ??? |
| 01:47:33 | dvr-505 | the one that solved recording |
| 01:47:58 | LinusN | and you use the default wps? |
| 01:48:10 | dvr-505 | wps????? |
| 01:48:38 | LinusN | do you use a custom .wps file? |
| 01:49:12 | dvr-505 | i don't even know what you mean by (wps) |
| 01:49:20 | dvr-505 | :) |
| 01:49:25 | dvr-505 | explain it to me please |
| 01:49:29 | LinusN | ok then, where on the display is that "TOTAL" text? |
| 01:50:13 | dvr-505 | when playing i can see TOTAL in the right side of the screen just by the end of the screen |
| 01:50:27 | dvr-505 | the third character line |
| 01:51:09 | dvr-505 | i sent a bug report about it |
| 01:51:18 | dvr-505 | about 3 days ago |
| 01:51:23 | dvr-505 | ok 2 |
| 01:52:17 | LinusN | strange, i don't see that on my version |
| 01:52:39 | dvr-505 | :( |
| 01:52:48 | dvr-505 | 1702? |
| 01:53:06 | LinusN | later |
| 01:53:23 | dvr-505 | ok |
| 01:53:38 | LinusN | have you tried the latest build? |
| 01:53:41 | dvr-505 | i will try a later version |
| 01:53:48 | dvr-505 | nop |
| 01:54:01 | dvr-505 | no one reported a fix on that |
| 01:54:03 | LinusN | dvr-505: it is easier for us developers if you try the latest version before asking questions |
| 01:54:21 | dvr-505 | ok sorry |
| 01:54:24 | dvr-505 | oh |
| 01:54:28 | dvr-505 | and about id3d? |
| 01:54:58 | LinusN | problems often get fixed when fixing other (seemingly unrelated) bugs |
| 01:55:06 | dvr-505 | ok |
| 01:55:06 | LinusN | id3d? |
| 01:55:32 | dvr-505 | i allways see id3d info when playing mp3 |
| 01:55:41 | LinusN | yes? |
| 01:55:53 | LinusN | what is id3d? |
| 01:55:56 | dvr-505 | in the menu there is an option to show id3d |
| 01:56:05 | dvr-505 | sorry |
| 01:56:37 | dvr-505 | information in the mp3 song about the album and music |
| 01:56:38 | LinusN | i know what id3 is but not id3d |
| 01:56:46 | dvr-505 | sorry |
| 01:57:02 | dvr-505 | (3d) work work work |
| 01:57:29 | dvr-505 | there is a menu option to show id3 but there isn't one no to show :) |
| 01:57:40 | LinusN | the default behaviour is to show ID3 info if it is present |
| 01:57:42 | dvr-505 | there is a menu option to show id3 but there isn't one NOT to show :) |
| 01:58:06 | LinusN | the show id3 menu item is something different |
| 01:58:26 | LinusN | if you want something else displayed, create a custom WPS file |
| 01:59:00 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/wps.html |
| 01:59:12 | dvr-505 | ok |
| 01:59:16 | dvr-505 | tks |
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| 02:02:30 | dvr-505 | well |
| 02:02:53 | dvr-505 | could you sent me a wps file just for me to see one already done ??? |
| 02:03:30 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/custom_wps_format.html |
| 02:04:08 | dvr-505 | thanks sorry |
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| 02:04:55 | nikkelitous | Hey. The WPS files that you have by default aren't very good. My dad made one that is better. How should I submit it. |
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| 02:05:48 | LinusN | nikkelitous: mail it to the mailing list |
| 02:06:02 | nikkelitous | Ok. |
| 02:16:07 | LinusN | time to sleep |
| 02:16:08 | LinusN | nite all |
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| 02:19:17 | jzoss | hello |
| 02:23:22 | nikkelitous | Another question: I've noticed that there is a 10000 file limit on playlists would it be possible to extend that limit by having rockbox automatically move to another playlist? |
| 02:23:39 | nikkelitous | I know that almost no one will have any problem with 10000 files though. |
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| 02:47:59 | Hadaka | nikkelitous: the 10000 limit is just a constant in the code - if someone wants longer playlists, he can increase the constant - then he will get less memory for other things |
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| 03:25:19 | nikkelitous | Thats a good solution. |
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| 03:26:30 | nikkelitous | I personally can't see a reason to have more than 10000 files on the Archos unless you put a MUCH bigger drive. |
| 03:27:53 | nikkelitous | And if you have the technical know-how to upgrade the drive then you should be able to alter the code. |
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| 04:51:41 | adi|home | nikk.. for your 10000 limit question.. check the FAQ |
| 04:51:51 | adi|home | :) |
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| 04:57:08 | nikkelitous | I read the FAQ but my question wasn't answered. |
| 04:59:25 | nikkelitous | My question was a question on having one of the entries in the playlist being another playlist that gets opened. |
| 04:59:54 | nikkelitous | By allowing a playlist to list other playlists. That would allow very flexible setups. |
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| 05:02:07 | nikkelitous | Because a person could create a playlist listing other playlists with certain artists. |
| 05:14:55 | adi|home | no.. it wouldnt |
| 05:15:01 | adi|home | how do you know a file is a playlist |
| 05:15:20 | adi|home | the reason our playlists work is because they follow the accepted formate of an .m3u |
| 05:19:09 | nikkelitous | I know that. The .m3u lists a file. If the file that it lists is another .m3u I think it should be able to load it. |
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| 11:39:36 | tracktheripper | morning... |
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| 11:43:50 | juz | hello linusM do you remember me? |
| 11:46:42 | juz | i type Perl c:\temp\binlang.pl binlang c:\temp\english.lang c:\temp\deutch.lang c:\temp\deutch.lng it does not work |
| 11:47:09 | juz | is it the syntaxe?? |
| 11:47:57 | LinusN | what happens |
| 11:48:00 | LinusN | ? |
| 11:48:25 | LinusN | remove the single "binlang" |
| 11:48:47 | juz | ok i ll try |
| 11:48:50 | LinusN | it should be Perl c:\temp\binlang.pl binlang c:\temp\english.lang c:\temp\deutch.lang c:\temp\deutch.lng |
| 11:48:53 | LinusN | sorry |
| 11:49:00 | LinusN | Perl c:\temp\binlang.pl c:\temp\english.lang c:\temp\deutch.lang c:\temp\deutch.lng |
| 11:49:58 | Schnueff | wow someone alive |
| 11:50:16 | LinusN | well, i'm only 34, i'm not dead yet :-) |
| 11:50:33 | Schnueff | :) |
| 11:50:42 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 11:50:48 | juz | it apperead to work i m going to try it on my archos thanks you |
| 11:51:19 | LinusN | juz: great |
| 11:52:29 | * | Schnueff .. laterz |
| 11:54:11 | juz | no it does not work the file contain only a E |
| 11:55:20 | juz | it write missing id ....... |
| 11:55:56 | juz | missing id in the deutch.lang file |
| 11:56:50 | LinusN | juz: remember that the texts must be in the same order in both the english and the german files |
| 11:57:03 | LinusN | and you must have all texts defined |
| 11:57:44 | juz | ok but t took the file on the "rockbox-daily-20030308.tar.gz" |
| 11:57:57 | LinusN | and the english file? |
| 11:58:14 | juz | too "english.lang" |
| 11:59:22 | LinusN | did you change the deutsch.lang file? |
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| 13:41:25 | juz | no i have copy it in c:\temp from the rockbox-daily-20030308.tar.gz |
| 13:42:52 | juz | is there any syntaxe?? |
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| 13:52:23 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 13:54:03 | LinusN | i have no problem with it |
| 13:55:05 | LinusN | try this: |
| 13:55:10 | LinusN | cd c:\temp |
| 13:55:34 | LinusN | perl binlang.pl english.lang deutsch.lang deutsch.lng |
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| 14:29:57 | juz | it doesnt find |
| 14:29:59 | juz | p |
| 14:30:02 | juz | Perl |
| 14:30:08 | juz | in c:\temp |
| 14:30:16 | juz | do i copy only perl.exe??? |
| 14:30:38 | LinusN | make sure that the perl binary is in the PATH |
| 14:32:04 | juz | does the perl binary is the \bin path of ActivePerl?? |
| 14:32:36 | LinusN | yes |
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| 14:35:19 | LinusN | juz: you can of course type the full path to the perl executable |
| 14:36:31 | juz | ok |
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| 14:38:37 | LinusN | i wonder what "Guest" is looking for... |
| 14:38:41 | juz | "Missing id in deutch.lang" i don't understand why |
| 14:39:14 | LinusN | first of all, is it really called deutch.lang and not deutsch.lang? |
| 14:40:07 | LinusN | did you rename it? why? |
| 14:41:37 | juz | no i did not rename it, wait one minute i think it will work |
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| 14:44:05 | juz | my deutsch.lang file was corrupt i don t know why but now it works perfectly t tried on my jukebox |
| 14:44:24 | juz | thank you very much linusN |
| 14:44:43 | LinusN | i have added better error checking in the binlang script |
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| 14:45:02 | juz | now??? |
| 14:45:16 | LinusN | now it tells you if the files can't be opened |
| 14:45:23 | LinusN | yes, i added that 30 seconds ago |
| 14:45:49 | LinusN | when i figured out what you had done |
| 14:46:13 | tracktheripper | afternoon |
| 14:46:29 | LinusN | hi |
| 14:46:41 | tracktheripper | hi linus |
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| 15:55:32 | SrScx | hi there |
| 15:55:37 | Schnueff | yo |
| 15:56:28 | SrScx | is the song queue option already included now? (i've the daily build from yesterday now) |
| 15:56:43 | Schnueff | yes, should be in the daily builds |
| 15:57:07 | Schnueff | in the dir browser press on+play (then play) to queue in the song the cursor is on |
| 15:57:23 | SrScx | cool |
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| 16:56:11 | tracktheripper | Afternoon |
| 16:56:12 | tracktheripper | room |
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| 20:09:23 | jzoss | Linus.. quick (random) question for you. Ignore if you're busy... |
| 20:09:37 | * | LinusN looks the other way |
| 20:09:58 | jzoss | okay. =) Good luck finishing whatever you're working on |
| 20:10:45 | LinusN | ask your question, i am listening |
| 20:11:39 | jzoss | I'm upgrading my computer soon, and will reformat/reinstall to do a little "housecleaning". Anyway, I'm currently running Debian, but was thinking of moving to gentoo Linux. Have you heard anything about it, or know anyone running it? |
| 20:11:56 | LinusN | nope |
| 20:12:12 | LinusN | i use redhat, an old habit |
| 20:13:02 | jzoss | heh. Thx for your response. =) Gentoo is debian (or BSD)-style package management, but everything compiled from source locally on your machine. |
| 20:13:18 | jzoss | It's an interesting concept. I'll probably try it and see how annoying the compile-times are |
| 20:13:21 | LinusN | nice |
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| 20:14:23 | PsycoXul | jzoss: i knew a lot of people who fell into the gentoo fad |
| 20:14:33 | PsycoXul | jzoss: most of them like it, a few said bad things about it |
| 20:14:39 | PsycoXul | jzoss: i decided to go with LFS myself |
| 20:14:48 | PsycoXul | and a custom system for managing installed software |
| 20:14:55 | jzoss | Yah, that was the other option I was tossing around |
| 20:15:08 | jzoss | Although i wasn't gonna roll my own package manager. =) |
| 20:15:16 | jzoss | That's pretty hardcore. =) |
| 20:15:35 | PsycoXul | the only 3 things that don't like to cooperate with my custom "package" system |
| 20:15:41 | PsycoXul | are perl, djbdns, and qmail |
| 20:15:48 | PsycoXul | perl can be forced into it |
| 20:15:50 | jzoss | I thought gentoo might be a good compromise between full LFS and a binary-based distro |
| 20:15:58 | PsycoXul | but djbdns and qmail i let be as they want to be |
| 20:16:07 | PsycoXul | since they don't infect /usr with real files or anything like that anyway |
| 20:16:19 | jzoss | That's an unusual grouping of "bad" progs. At first glance they don't have much in common, but I'm sure there's something... |
| 20:16:34 | PsycoXul | well djbdns and qmail are by the same guy |
| 20:16:42 | PsycoXul | and use the same system to keep themselves running |
| 20:16:45 | jzoss | ahhhh. |
| 20:17:21 | PsycoXul | perl just loves to not respect any form of telling it to GO "here" but THINK you're "there" |
| 20:17:38 | PsycoXul | i dunno how any package mantainers deal with it heh |
| 20:18:10 | jzoss | That (pkg management)'s a thankless job I'm glad I didn't volunteer for. =) |
| 20:19:03 | PsycoXul | i was gonna setup a chroot system for problematic things like perl and anything that doesn't support ROOT= or DESTDIR= in make install |
| 20:19:26 | PsycoXul | but i haven't had so much of a problem with such things to warrant the effort heh |
| 20:19:42 | jzoss | yah.. alot of work for 3 progs |
| 20:20:16 | PsycoXul | yeah there's a few other programs that don't wanna play so nice, but they're not as difficult to bend to your will |
| 20:20:53 | PsycoXul | perl you pretty much just gotta mv it's files to where you want them after it installs them into the standard tree |
| 20:21:24 | PsycoXul | which isn't so bad when everything *BUT* perl in /usr is all symlinks so running a find /usr -type f finds perl's files and pretty much nothing else hehe |
| 20:21:30 | jzoss | lol. now *that's* a brute-force approach. |
| 20:22:47 | PsycoXul | though updatedb likes to replace the /usr/var/locatedb symlink with a real file |
| 20:23:14 | PsycoXul | and things like maya and houdini like to put their license file stuffs in real files under /usr |
| 20:23:25 | PsycoXul | i could probably fix both if i bothered to though heh |
| 20:24:06 | PsycoXul | like if i actualy cron'd updatedb, then i'd just add a mv and resymlink in to the cron job |
| 20:24:20 | jzoss | right |
| 20:24:43 | PsycoXul | and i doubt the license files really need to be real files, i just never bothered to do anything about them heh |
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| 20:30:19 | Hadaka | hmm |
| 20:31:47 | Hadaka | PsycoXul: that's a very weird approach to symlinking |
| 20:32:03 | PsycoXul | Hadaka: huh? |
| 20:32:03 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 20:32:18 | PsycoXul | everything in my system is a symlink except for /bin/sash heh |
| 20:32:34 | PsycoXul | just in case :p |
| 20:32:51 | PsycoXul | all the real files reside in /z/ |
| 20:32:53 | Hadaka | PsycoXul: well, isn't the normal system to install perl "there" and make it think it's "there" so it uses the files there - and only populate /usr with symlinks to refer to there? |
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| 20:33:46 | PsycoXul | under directories 0 1 and 2, for if it's a basic system thing, a normal thing, or something dirty or extra etc heh |
| 20:33:53 | PsycoXul | Hadaka: well i dunno |
| 20:34:10 | PsycoXul | i just wanna make sure everything behaves as if it were installed like normal under /usr |
| 20:34:14 | Norrin | If someone could spare a moment, do you happen to know the battery capacity for the li-ion battery in FM Recorder? |
| 20:34:15 | Hadaka | that way you can even have multiple installed versions of the same software - and you can use whichever you want of them |
| 20:34:16 | PsycoXul | since thats how it's all accessed |
| 20:34:45 | PsycoXul | Hadaka: yeah but it takes a little extra work to do that that way |
| 20:34:47 | Hadaka | err, but then the programs end up accessing the symlinks, do not keep their separate data areas for /var like stuff and so on - it seems awfully messy |
| 20:35:09 | Hadaka | that's why we have tools like 'stow' and 'xstow' to manage the symlink farms for us |
| 20:35:11 | PsycoXul | with my way all i gotta do is run 2 commands to switch between versions and then the new one becomes the standard "system" version for as long as i want it |
| 20:35:28 | PsycoXul | i wrote a couple shell scripts to manage my symlinks |
| 20:35:36 | Hadaka | stow -D gnus-old-version;stow gnus-new-version |
| 20:35:52 | PsycoXul | and files that belong to a version of a program will be stashed in it's directory with it, if they'll cause problems with other versions |
| 20:35:52 | Hadaka | anyway, nevermind, I just thought it was weird :) |
| 20:36:24 | PsycoXul | unlinkblah.sh gnus-old-version;linkblah.sh gnus-new-version |
| 20:36:25 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 20:37:02 | PsycoXul | i used to use stow for /usr/local stuff in debian |
| 20:37:17 | PsycoXul | i designed my setup to be a little simpler i think |
| 20:37:31 | PsycoXul | simpler is better hehe |
| 20:38:52 | PsycoXul | but yes it is weird |
| 20:38:56 | PsycoXul | but it's worked well for me hehe |
| 20:40:08 | PsycoXul | 19 /root/bin/linkblah.sh |
| 20:40:09 | PsycoXul | 18 /root/bin/unlinkblah.sh |
| 20:40:41 | PsycoXul | especialy considering the "package management" system basically consists of 37 lines of shell script |
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| 20:42:39 | PsycoXul | and that includes the help and the only useful options i've found were needed |
| 20:42:41 | PsycoXul | Usage: linkblah.sh [options] <package> |
| 20:42:41 | PsycoXul | Options: |
| 20:42:41 | PsycoXul | -f Overwrite links that aren't ours |
| 20:42:41 | DBUG | Sent KICK PsycoXul to server |
| 20:42:41 | PsycoXul | -n Don't really do anything, just echo it |
| 20:42:41 | Kick | (#rockbox PsycoXul :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se |
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| 20:42:51 | PsycoXul | bleh :p |
| 20:43:16 | Hadaka | well, whatever floats yer boat I guess |
| 20:43:30 | PsycoXul | so... know any free high-quality acoustic drum samples? |
| 20:44:01 | Hadaka | no :) |
| 20:46:13 | PsycoXul | hey i wonder if somebody who's donated their body to science or whatever |
| 20:46:52 | PsycoXul | if somebody'd let you cast their ears while they're still intact and then let you have the skull later |
| 20:47:30 | PsycoXul | so that you can fill it with water and mold their ears back on and put little microphones where their eardrums were so you'd have an excellent binaural mic :p |
| 20:49:30 | Hadaka | heh |
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| 21:15:13 | tracktheripper | Goodevening |
| 21:15:22 | jzoss | good afternoon. =) |
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| 22:56:50 | tracktheripper | heehee |
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| 23:09:05 | Norrin | I've surfed the Rockbox website. Is there a way to save the current settings into a CFG file? |
| 23:17:19 | LinusN | not yet |
| 23:21:23 | Norrin | Thanks |
| 23:22:01 | Norrin | LinusN - Any clue what the capacity of the FM Recorder Li-Ion battery is? |
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| 23:22:57 | QInter | Hello |
| 23:23:37 | LinusN | Norrin: i think 4200mAh |
| 23:24:56 | QInter | Norrin: There's a patch that saves the settings to a |
| 23:26:06 | QInter | Norrin: There's a patch that saves the settings into a .cfg file. |
| 23:27:06 | Norrin | I probably couldn't figure out how to patch the current firmware. Website for reference? |
| 23:28:28 | QInter | Norrin: You may have a look into the mailing list. There are links to download compiled versions. |
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| 23:28:51 | Norrin | Excellent, I'm gone. |
| 23:30:02 | QInter | Norrin: You've found it? |
| 23:31:44 | Norrin | Nope, searching. |
| 23:32:20 | QInter | Norrin: Which model you are using? I could give you the link. |
| 23:32:36 | Norrin | Archos FM Recorder |
| 23:32:44 | Norrin | Appreciate it. |
| 23:33:15 | QInter | Norrin: Ok. Get this: http://qinter.gmxhome.de/rockbox/firmware/ajbrec_fm.ajz |
| 23:33:41 | QInter | Norrin: But's not tested, I have a recorder 20. |
| 23:33:50 | Norrin | Excellent, we'll try it. |
| 23:34:40 | ScottE | I'm a newbie rockbox hacker trying to play with adding a few features and still not very familiar with how everything works. |
| 23:35:06 | Norrin | QInter: What build was this based on before it was patched? |
| 23:35:27 | ScottE | My Q: I'm trying to add a new WPS tag to print the volume (recorder 20), but it doesn't get properly updated. |
| 23:36:13 | ScottE | Just trying to understand if there is a callback used for tags to get updated, or? |
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| 23:37:34 | QInter | Norrin: I'm not sure, but it's based on the build one or two days ago. |
| 23:41:17 | Norrin | QInter: Are the settings saved automatically, menu option, key sequence? |
| 23:42:07 | QInter | Norrin: There's an option _save settings_ in the _general options/system_ menu. |
| 23:42:57 | QInter | Norrin: I mean _general settings_;) |
| 23:43:32 | LinusN | Norrin: I just checked my FM recorder battery |
| 23:43:38 | LinusN | it's 2200mAh |
| 23:43:49 | LinusN | b ut |
| 23:43:57 | LinusN | but it's not entirely clear |
| 23:44:24 | LinusN | it says "2 Lithiom-ion |
| 23:44:25 | Norrin | QInter: Found it. Thanks. At least I can get the recorder setup the way I like then save the files off as different CFG's for different purposes. |
| 23:44:40 | LinusN | it says "2 Lithium-Ion batteries, 2.4V 2200mAh" |
| 23:45:15 | Norrin | LinusN: Interesting, if I remember when I was inside my recorder upgrading the HD, it was two batteries laying side-by-side. |
| 23:45:26 | LinusN | yes |
| 23:47:02 | LinusN | 2 batteries packaged as one |
| 23:47:02 | Norrin | LinusN: Thanks, wanted the mAh to input into the menu for battery capacity. |
| 23:47:07 | LinusN | ah |
| 23:47:26 | LinusN | the battery is easily accessible |
| 23:47:35 | LinusN | without tools |
| 23:48:02 | Norrin | QInter: The CFG file the patch saves, can it be loaded as a CFG or does it need modified? I noticed a lack of colons vs what the website says. |
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| 23:48:12 | nikkelitous | Hello. |
| 23:48:21 | LinusN | Norrin: the whole point is to be able to load it again |
| 23:48:25 | LinusN | nikkelitous: yo |
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| 23:49:01 | nikkelitous | A question on rockbox's playlist support: Does Rockbox support Winamps new .B4S playlists? |
| 23:49:23 | LinusN | nikkelitous: no, what is a .B4S playlist |
| 23:49:26 | LinusN | ? |
| 23:49:39 | LinusN | only m3u format is supported |
| 23:49:39 | Norrin | LinusN: So I assume the : really doesn't matter? |
| 23:49:41 | nikkelitous | .B4S is a XML based playlist designed by nullsoft. |
| 23:49:49 | LinusN | Norrin: not sure |
| 23:50:00 | LinusN | nikkelitous: then we don't support it |
| 23:50:07 | LinusN | XML, how silly |
| 23:50:18 | QInter | Norrin: You can load the saved .cfg file. There's no need for modifications. |
| 23:50:21 | nikkelitous | I think it is a good idea. |
| 23:50:56 | Norrin | Qinter: Excellent. Any settings not working correctly yet? Anything I need to be aware of? |
| 23:50:56 | QInter | Norrin: But, of course, you can edit the file... What are you missing? |
| 23:51:07 | LinusN | an xml parser to load a list of songs, talk about overkill |
| 23:51:30 | nikkelitous | Heh. It wouldn't need a full XML set. Just a few fields. |
| 23:51:51 | LinusN | still, it needs to parse the basic format, with tags and stuff |
| 23:52:01 | Norrin | QInter: Nothing that I can see as of yet, just from the mail list readings I guess some settings didn't stick. |
| 23:52:12 | QInter | Norrin: It should work. |
| 23:53:07 | QInter | Norrin: Notice that _invert setting_ and some channels modes currently not handeled by the cfg loader. |
| 23:53:53 | nikkelitous | Will rockbox support the format though? It seems to be becoming more popular. |
| 23:53:55 | Norrin | QInter: Great, I have to go play now. Thanks. I tried looking over your website, couldn't do anything besides downloading the file. |
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| 23:55:15 | LinusN | nikkelitous: i think it is overkill, what's wrong with m3u? |
| 23:55:34 | QInter | Norrin: At the moment there is no website available. I use it only for distributing files at the moment. |
| 23:55:49 | ScottE | (Not that anyone was going to answer, but I figured out how WPS flags work and resolved my issue.) |
| 23:56:15 | nikkelitous | Well the fact that .m3u is getting phased out of winamp is a big one. They intend to get .B4s to become the standard. |
| 23:56:29 | nikkelitous | Winamp already makes .b4s the default. |
| 23:56:36 | Norrin | QInter: Thanks, chat with ya later. Have work to do (not really, just want to go play with the save settings.) |
| 23:58:56 | QInter | Norrin: ;) |
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