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| 00:35:27 | tracktheripper | hi |
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| 00:38:24 | Temfate | anyone know of a backup to the archos 8mb upgrade page? It's been down for quite awhile now. |
| 00:41:04 | Temfate | nevermind; got the google cache of it instead. |
| 00:43:28 | tracktheripper | Is anyone else having problems with the Tetris game? |
| 00:45:43 | tracktheripper | If you lose the display shows garbled code and the HD light blinks off and on |
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| 02:40:23 | elinenbe | LinusN: it is late −− go to sleep (unless you are fixing bugs in the Doom port) |
| 02:41:26 | LinusN | sorry dad, i'll go to bed immediately! :-) |
| 02:41:32 | elinenbe | =) |
| 02:42:05 | elinenbe | I am watching this crappy soap opera on the TV called "war" |
| 02:42:31 | LinusN | what's that? |
| 02:42:58 | elinenbe | it is this thing taking place in Kuwait and Iraq |
| 02:43:24 | LinusN | aha, now i get it :-) |
| 02:46:19 | elinenbe | LinusN: did you clean up the VBRFix code? |
| 02:46:34 | LinusN | i am working on it |
| 02:46:48 | elinenbe | nice. |
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| 03:08:50 | PsycoXul | ok tonight i backup my archos |
| 03:08:55 | PsycoXul | it quit charging |
| 03:09:05 | PsycoXul | so i gotta take it in to bestbuy |
| 03:09:16 | PsycoXul | hopefully they'll give me a recorder hehe |
| 03:09:40 | PsycoXul | but so i pretty much gotta run it off the batteries i guess to back it up |
| 03:10:35 | elinenbe | do you have an external battery charger? I have on of those 1 hour chargers and they are the best. |
| 03:11:05 | PsycoXul | i've got 2-sets of 1850mah, 2 sets of the 1500mah that it came with (though i dunno how well 1 of the sets holds a charge...) and a set of 1600mah ones |
| 03:11:25 | PsycoXul | yeah i got 2 external chargers but they're both the 15-hour ones |
| 03:11:31 | PsycoXul | or 14-hour whatever |
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| 03:15:31 | Bio_Hazard | yo |
| 03:15:35 | LinusN | yo |
| 03:15:46 | Bio_Hazard | LIFE! |
| 03:15:59 | Bio_Hazard | i thought itd be deserted |
| 03:16:50 | Bio_Hazard | anyone want to take a crack at a problem im having? |
| 03:16:56 | LinusN | shoot |
| 03:17:24 | elinenbe | Bio_Hazard: stay away from the reactor |
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| 03:19:04 | Bio_Hazard | i loaded the mar 02 BE AJBR build and it worked fine but all of a sudden it mapped the down arrow as either down, left, or play. i updated to todays build and it remained, i unloaded rockbox and it stopped... so im pretty sure its rockbox... |
| 03:19:33 | Bio_Hazard | everything else works fine |
| 03:19:44 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: have the device with you now? |
| 03:19:48 | Bio_Hazard | yea |
| 03:20:00 | LinusN | go to menu->debug->i/o ports |
| 03:20:15 | Bio_Hazard | k |
| 03:20:51 | LinusN | watch AN5 and press Left, Play, Down and Right |
| 03:21:00 | LinusN | report the values |
| 03:21:09 | Bio_Hazard | an5? |
| 03:21:26 | Bio_Hazard | i see an0 -an 3 |
| 03:21:32 | LinusN | in the right column |
| 03:21:37 | Bio_Hazard | oh |
| 03:22:17 | LinusN | have you done any changes to it lately, like changed the charger or the batteries? |
| 03:23:01 | Bio_Hazard | i fluxuates badly on all of them |
| 03:23:25 | LinusN | it should fluctuate a little |
| 03:24:14 | LinusN | Down should read 3Fx something |
| 03:24:27 | Bio_Hazard | down is sending 3Fx |
| 03:24:35 | LinusN | Right should be 18x |
| 03:25:17 | Bio_Hazard | sometimes it sends 3Cx |
| 03:25:35 | LinusN | uh oh |
| 03:26:15 | LinusN | is it different depending on how you press it? |
| 03:26:23 | Bio_Hazard | ? |
| 03:26:46 | LinusN | you know, hard/soft or in a special angle |
| 03:27:00 | Bio_Hazard | directly down in the middle |
| 03:27:18 | Bio_Hazard | but i checked, and its not depressing the play button |
| 03:27:33 | LinusN | mechanically? |
| 03:27:39 | Bio_Hazard | right |
| 03:27:59 | Bio_Hazard | it dosent PHYSICLY press play |
| 03:28:44 | LinusN | it looks like your down button is slightly bad |
| 03:28:58 | Bio_Hazard | thats what i was thinking |
| 03:29:12 | LinusN | have you opened it? |
| 03:29:15 | Bio_Hazard | its still in warranty tho :) |
| 03:29:35 | LinusN | i suggest you return it |
| 03:30:06 | Bio_Hazard | i was hoping i wasant going to need that... *shigh* |
| 03:30:14 | Bio_Hazard | oh well |
| 03:30:22 | LinusN | it may be possible to fix in s/w |
| 03:30:41 | LinusN | but i'm not very keen on making changes in rockbox because of one damaged unit |
| 03:30:57 | Bio_Hazard | i see your point |
| 03:31:24 | Bio_Hazard | i guess ill send it in... |
| 03:31:35 | Bio_Hazard | take RB off it first :) |
| 03:31:59 | LinusN | make sure you delete the .rockbox dir too |
| 03:32:47 | Bio_Hazard | yea |
| 03:32:56 | Bio_Hazard | i had an easy feature idea the other day... a "on the fly file renaming" function... |
| 03:33:06 | Bio_Hazard | where do i submit it |
| 03:34:49 | LinusN | read the bottom of this page: http://rockbox.haxx.se/requests.shtml |
| 03:36:56 | Bio_Hazard | thats a nice list of requests... |
| 03:37:01 | Bio_Hazard | geez |
| 03:38:29 | Bio_Hazard | oh i found it... |
| 03:38:33 | Bio_Hazard | NM then |
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| 03:40:57 | Bio_Hazard | well... ok then! ill send in my unit... |
| 03:41:05 | Bio_Hazard | thanks for all your help! |
| 03:41:09 | LinusN | yw |
| 03:42:31 | Bio_Hazard | oh yea... how do you make a playlist? using the menu just makes an empty one |
| 03:42:40 | LinusN | it does? |
| 03:42:44 | Bio_Hazard | yea |
| 03:42:51 | LinusN | what version of rockbox? |
| 03:43:01 | Bio_Hazard | i select it and it says "end of list" |
| 03:43:07 | LinusN | what version of rockbox? |
| 03:43:10 | Bio_Hazard | todays |
| 03:43:19 | LinusN | wow |
| 03:44:22 | LinusN | woops, didn't work for me either... |
| 03:44:37 | Bio_Hazard | lol |
| 03:47:11 | LinusN | wow, looks like an old bug has returned... |
| 03:47:21 | Bio_Hazard | hmmm... |
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| 03:51:29 | LinusN | nasty, i can't repeat it |
| 03:51:34 | LinusN | it works the second time |
| 03:51:41 | Temfate | Is there any better disasembler than the one in the tools dir? |
| 03:51:50 | Temfate | it seems to be missing some ops. |
| 03:51:54 | Bio_Hazard | ? |
| 03:52:03 | LinusN | Temfate: what ops are missing? |
| 03:52:25 | Bio_Hazard | i dont know anyhing about programming, im a hardware guy... |
| 03:52:35 | Temfate | nevermind; was looking at the NOP |
| 03:52:41 | Temfate | 'guess you listed as ??? |
| 03:52:42 | Temfate | ? |
| 03:53:06 | LinusN | we didn't write the disass i'm afraid |
| 03:53:30 | Temfate | I see... Have you identified any parts of the fm firmware's FM calls yet? |
| 03:53:36 | Temfate | I'm starting to look. |
| 03:53:38 | LinusN | but i'm pretty sure it displays the nop correctly |
| 03:54:06 | LinusN | Temfate: we have the data sheets, we don't need to disassemble the fm recorder firmware for that |
| 03:54:10 | Temfate | you're right; it shows 09 to be NOP... But what is 00? It lists it as ??? |
| 03:54:23 | LinusN | maybe 00 is invalid then |
| 03:55:11 | Temfate | does the fm recorder start at 0x00000200? |
| 03:55:32 | LinusN | yes, the ROM firmware starts there |
| 03:55:42 | LinusN | oh, sorry |
| 03:55:57 | LinusN | it starts at the reset vector at 0 |
| 03:56:21 | LinusN | the RAM loaded firmware starts at 0x9000200 |
| 03:56:33 | LinusN | that's where the reset vector points, i think |
| 03:56:47 | LinusN | the reset vector at 0x9000200 that is |
| 03:56:52 | LinusN | the reset vector at 0x9000000 that is |
| 03:57:06 | LinusN | (i must be tired) |
| 03:57:15 | Temfate | heh. Thanks. |
| 03:57:23 | Temfate | I looked at the data sheet. |
| 03:57:42 | Temfate | I was being lazy wanting to steal some of archos code... |
| 03:59:12 | LinusN | Temfate: stealing disassembled code is not what i consider easy |
| 03:59:32 | Temfate | Well; I mean just the irq etc. |
| 03:59:37 | Temfate | err, io |
| 03:59:39 | LinusN | what irq? |
| 03:59:41 | LinusN | ah |
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| 04:00:08 | Temfate | how well does the simulator work; I take it from the code it's rockbox only? |
| 04:00:26 | LinusN | of course it's rockbox only |
| 04:00:30 | Temfate | ie. no sim for the archos firmware code? |
| 04:00:38 | LinusN | we don't simulate the hardware |
| 04:00:55 | LinusN | we simulate the LCD |
| 04:00:57 | * | Bio_Hazard is VERY confused... |
| 04:01:17 | Temfate | just trying to get used to what I have to work with... I'm used to having to do everything in asm. |
| 04:01:34 | LinusN | well, you can use C here :-) |
| 04:01:39 | Temfate | cool! |
| 04:01:48 | LinusN | but you'll have to debug it in the target |
| 04:01:53 | LinusN | (the fm code) |
| 04:02:20 | Temfate | you mean that 2-way serial port for gdb use? |
| 04:02:32 | Bio_Hazard | why is the default contrast so dark? |
| 04:02:43 | LinusN | or just print debug values to the LCD |
| 04:02:49 | Temfate | ah... |
| 04:02:56 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: what ROM firmware do you have? |
| 04:03:01 | Bio_Hazard | 1.28 |
| 04:03:18 | Bio_Hazard | AJBR 15Gb |
| 04:03:32 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: the different hardware versions have different contrast on the LCD |
| 04:03:53 | LinusN | and we don't know (yet) which version has which contrast |
| 04:04:01 | Bio_Hazard | oh |
| 04:04:05 | Bio_Hazard | ok i guess |
| 04:04:16 | LinusN | what contrast value is optimal for you? |
| 04:04:21 | Bio_Hazard | 25 |
| 04:04:25 | LinusN | oh |
| 04:04:35 | Bio_Hazard | it starts at 75 or something... |
| 04:04:44 | LinusN | 75!!!! |
| 04:04:54 | Temfate | <note> same here for my fm rec. 1.30j of course... |
| 04:05:01 | LinusN | it should start at about 36 |
| 04:05:03 | Bio_Hazard | and with my funky down button its VERY hard to find and lower the contrast |
| 04:05:06 | Temfate | I mean to 25... |
| 04:07:21 | Bio_Hazard | no wait... 57 |
| 04:07:47 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: i found and killed the playlist bug you found, thanks for reporting |
| 04:07:57 | Bio_Hazard | YW |
| 04:08:03 | Bio_Hazard | thx for helping |
| 04:08:22 | Temfate | have you traced the fm chips pins 6,7,10,11 yet? |
| 04:08:31 | Bio_Hazard | the button prob just got worse |
| 04:08:36 | LinusN | i have traced all pins |
| 04:09:12 | Temfate | did ya draw it yet??? <hint> :) |
| 04:09:37 | Bio_Hazard | why dont you put recording and recording settings i a submenu? |
| 04:09:48 | * | LinusN digs up his preliminary schematics |
| 04:10:14 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: a submenu for 2 items? why? |
| 04:10:23 | Bio_Hazard | i dunno... |
| 04:11:24 | Bio_Hazard | isint info in the menu the same as disk info and battery info in debug? |
| 04:11:48 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: not exactly, the debug has more info |
| 04:12:02 | Bio_Hazard | then the info thing is redundant |
| 04:12:06 | Bio_Hazard | isint it? |
| 04:12:29 | Bio_Hazard | i was just thinking the menu was a little long... |
| 04:12:29 | LinusN | no, the debug screens are for debugging, not for users |
| 04:13:11 | Bio_Hazard | i think most "users" dont even know about rockbox... |
| 04:13:24 | Temfate | hmm; it looks like the chip can tune via serial data or io lines? |
| 04:13:31 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: still, most rockbox users aren't developers |
| 04:14:02 | Bio_Hazard | im not a developr and i can tell what some of the debug stuff is... |
| 04:14:05 | Bio_Hazard | o well |
| 04:14:12 | LinusN | Temfate: DO: PB4, CL: PB1, DI: PB0, CE: PB3 |
| 04:14:26 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: the debug screens change all the time |
| 04:14:35 | Bio_Hazard | ? |
| 04:14:45 | LinusN | when we find new things to debug |
| 04:15:18 | LinusN | there might be potentially dangerous thing that can be done by pressing the wrong key |
| 04:15:32 | Bio_Hazard | ? |
| 04:15:44 | LinusN | debugging stuff, not for users, that's why we call it "Debug (keep out)" |
| 04:16:14 | LinusN | don't go there unless you know what you are doing |
| 04:16:41 | Temfate | so it's serial... got it. |
| 04:16:45 | Bio_Hazard | im not arguing... i just thought the menu could be cleaned up a bit... |
| 04:17:01 | Temfate | lol |
| 04:17:07 | LinusN | you think it's too long? |
| 04:17:13 | Bio_Hazard | 3 pages |
| 04:18:01 | LinusN | 2 for me |
| 04:18:10 | LinusN | large font? |
| 04:18:20 | Bio_Hazard | atadore |
| 04:18:25 | LinusN | me too |
| 04:19:42 | Bio_Hazard | hmm... |
| 04:19:52 | Bio_Hazard | no... wait... |
| 04:19:59 | Bio_Hazard | now its 2 |
| 04:20:27 | Bio_Hazard | i was using a larger font |
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| 04:21:45 | Bio_Hazard | i could submenu all that stuff into 1 page easily |
| 04:22:01 | Bio_Hazard | therd be some short submenus... but... |
| 04:23:54 | Bio_Hazard | the ... wasant a wait |
| 04:24:13 | Bio_Hazard | JTYOK |
| 04:24:27 | LinusN | file a feature request, or join the mailing list |
| 04:25:04 | LinusN | we are all ears if you have a good idea for a menu tree |
| 04:25:20 | Bio_Hazard | ill write one up if you want... |
| 04:26:56 | Bio_Hazard | did some testing... and my button problem IS RB |
| 04:27:16 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: no, your problem is not rockbox |
| 04:27:30 | LinusN | yes, rockbox may have problems with your unit |
| 04:27:57 | Bio_Hazard | it sends play 50% of the time in RB and its completley gone in AJBOS |
| 04:28:04 | Bio_Hazard | hmmm... |
| 04:28:05 | LinusN | but your Down key is definitely giving way too low values |
| 04:28:42 | LinusN | and the original firmware works because it has different voltage thresholds |
| 04:29:32 | Bio_Hazard | ill try the last officail release of RB |
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| 04:31:16 | Bio_Hazard | still there |
| 04:31:19 | Bio_Hazard | hmm... |
| 04:31:38 | LinusN | we haven't changed the thresholds in rockbox for ages |
| 04:32:21 | Bio_Hazard | well this sux... |
| 04:32:36 | Bio_Hazard | im stuck with AJBROS |
| 04:32:51 | Temfate | Is it possible to make the threshold adjustable in the debug menu? |
| 04:33:18 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: i need you to report the lowest value you get in the debug menu |
| 04:33:40 | Bio_Hazard | lemme see |
| 04:34:56 | Bio_Hazard | man it takes forever to load (i know its non- fixable) |
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| 04:37:21 | Bio_Hazard | 3Ax was the LOWEST 3Fx (x=b-f) was normal |
| 04:37:38 | LinusN | the threshold is at 384 |
| 04:37:48 | Bio_Hazard | i dont know hex |
| 04:37:54 | LinusN | below 384->Play |
| 04:37:59 | Bio_Hazard | i need to learn |
| 04:38:33 | Bio_Hazard | so that means....... |
| 04:38:37 | Bio_Hazard | ? |
| 04:38:43 | Bio_Hazard | im lost |
| 04:39:10 | LinusN | that means that according to the debug menu, you don't have a problem :-) |
| 04:39:21 | Bio_Hazard | hmmm... |
| 04:39:34 | Bio_Hazard | this sux for me... |
| 04:39:40 | Bio_Hazard | oh well |
| 04:39:46 | Temfate | question: you know if the FM tuner xtal is shared with the sh1? |
| 04:39:53 | LinusN | no it is separate |
| 04:39:57 | Temfate | cool. |
| 04:40:09 | Temfate | would have been a problem |
| 04:41:22 | Bio_Hazard | wait a second... numbers come before letters in hex right? |
| 04:41:34 | Temfate | 0123456789abcdef |
| 04:41:48 | Bio_Hazard | then the lowest i get it 35X |
| 04:41:58 | Bio_Hazard | 25% |
| 04:42:21 | Temfate | f = 15 decimal |
| 04:42:21 | Bio_Hazard | x=? |
| 04:43:17 | Bio_Hazard | lowest is 35x normal is 3Fx |
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| 04:43:34 | Bio_Hazard | im STILL screwed... |
| 04:43:35 | LinusN | Bio_Hazard: then i am surprised that it works for the original firmware |
| 04:43:47 | Bio_Hazard | ? |
| 04:43:59 | Temfate | what are these numbers? Maybe I should scroll up? |
| 04:44:18 | Bio_Hazard | it just started doing this... |
| 04:44:27 | LinusN | Temfate: the keys are read using an A/D converter |
| 04:44:32 | Bio_Hazard | about noon today... |
| 04:44:52 | Bio_Hazard | id been using RB for a month... |
| 04:44:59 | Bio_Hazard | so its a new development |
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| 04:45:25 | LinusN | i have to go to bed now |
| 04:45:37 | Temfate | what part of the world you in? |
| 04:45:39 | LinusN | it's 4:50 am i sweden |
| 04:45:44 | Temfate | geez.. |
| 04:45:48 | LinusN | nite all |
| 04:45:50 | Bio_Hazard | ! |
| 04:45:51 | Temfate | nite |
| 04:45:53 | Bio_Hazard | nite |
| 04:45:55 | | Part LinusN |
| 04:46:19 | Bio_Hazard | im intriuged about my problem |
| 04:46:29 | Temfate | what level your battery at? |
| 04:46:39 | Bio_Hazard | i have no clue... |
| 04:46:49 | Temfate | maybe it's getting low? :) |
| 04:46:53 | Bio_Hazard | it goes up and down |
| 04:47:14 | Bio_Hazard | i should discharge and recharge |
| 04:47:52 | Bio_Hazard | while plugged in it still does it |
| 04:48:01 | Temfate | sounds good. This data sheet seems to show some nice tuner abilities if they implemented the hardware right... |
| 04:48:23 | Temfate | even plugged in eh? |
| 04:48:37 | Bio_Hazard | yea |
| 04:48:55 | Temfate | try dropping it. :) |
| 04:49:00 | Bio_Hazard | lol |
| 04:49:16 | Bio_Hazard | show it whos boss |
| 04:49:30 | Bio_Hazard | i dont think that would work |
| 04:49:47 | Temfate | oh, ok. |
| 04:50:11 | Temfate | I'm not to up on everything rockbox does yet... I'm mainly trying to figure out how to implement the fm tuner. |
| 04:50:29 | Bio_Hazard | it dosent do fm yet? |
| 04:50:53 | Temfate | well it'll run on a fm unit; but doesn't support the tuner or recording of the tuner yet. |
| 04:51:01 | Bio_Hazard | you have a fm recorder? |
| 04:51:16 | Temfate | yep. It's just as cheap as the non-fm versions now... |
| 04:51:25 | Bio_Hazard | how is the fm recorder? ive heard bad things about it... |
| 04:52:16 | Temfate | I haven't had any problems... The reception is poor; but with a properly implemented antenna or possibly better software control of the VFO it'll be better. |
| 04:52:54 | Bio_Hazard | i got mine because it was only $79 at circut city! |
| 04:53:05 | Bio_Hazard | some sweet sale |
| 04:53:24 | Bio_Hazard | after rebates of course |
| 04:53:34 | Temfate | not bad... What unit? Don't tell me that's a 20gig; buy me a few if so! |
| 04:53:49 | Bio_Hazard | recorder 15 |
| 04:54:28 | Bio_Hazard | the sale is over btw :P |
| 04:55:18 | Temfate | not bad... |
| 04:55:28 | Temfate | heck the hd is worth that... |
| 04:55:47 | Bio_Hazard | it actually cost me %125 cause i messed up on one of the rebates (invalid) |
| 04:56:04 | Bio_Hazard | i mean $125 |
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| 04:56:58 | Temfate | ah; the rebate thing... I'm still waiting on a hundred bucks from compaq for a laptop... |
| 04:57:06 | Bio_Hazard | lol |
| 04:57:28 | Temfate | it's been 9 weeks tomorrow! |
| 04:57:52 | Bio_Hazard | i got my cd burner for $10 |
| 04:57:52 | Bio_Hazard | if of course the company didint all of a sudden go bankrupt |
| 04:58:20 | Bio_Hazard | so it was $59 |
| 04:58:37 | Temfate | lol |
| 04:59:09 | Bio_Hazard | well... time to unload RB... :'( |
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| 04:59:31 | Bio_Hazard | accept my fate... |
| 04:59:54 | Bio_Hazard | ill still do that menu thing |
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| 05:00:22 | Temfate | cool. so what kind of hardware you work on? |
| 05:01:03 | Bio_Hazard | i build custom comps... install hardware... TKOT |
| 05:01:38 | Temfate | ah... easy stuff! That's what got me started in all honesty. build any cool duallies or watercooled setups yet? |
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| 05:02:23 | Bio_Hazard | yea, its too expensive to experiment with the hard stuff... |
| 05:03:12 | | Quit nord0296 (Client Quit) |
| 05:03:54 | Bio_Hazard | my knoweledge of hardware is my strong point... i can look at just about any computer part and tell you what it is... (cards and drives and such) |
| 05:04:54 | Bio_Hazard | almost up to the core archetecture... |
| 05:05:10 | Bio_Hazard | but i need to learn how to program... |
| 05:05:17 | Bio_Hazard | ive got a few books... |
| 05:05:54 | Temfate | programming is easy |
| 05:06:00 | Temfate | I started with turbo pascal |
| 05:06:05 | Bio_Hazard | all i know is ACS |
| 05:06:14 | Temfate | but in all honesty you should start with perl or python |
| 05:06:22 | Temfate | then move to c/c++ |
| 05:06:45 | Bio_Hazard | i know ACS and HTML (yea i know html is easy) |
| 05:07:31 | Temfate | Computer hardware is some great stuff though... I've got 2 main systems running in a distributed enviro with Tiger MP motherboards; one with 2x1600+ and the other with 2x1900+!!!!!!!! |
| 05:07:40 | Temfate | Woohoo!!!!!1 FEEL THOSE MIPS!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:08:40 | Bio_Hazard | lol... |
| 05:08:51 | Bio_Hazard | servers are fun to build... |
| 05:09:09 | Temfate | Yes; moreso when they are yours! |
| 05:09:22 | Temfate | Took me many years to afford my setup though... |
| 05:09:35 | Temfate | Now I need an O-scope... |
| 05:09:41 | Temfate | Rather DSO. |
| 05:10:35 | Bio_Hazard | when i write the new menu system, do you want me to use the menu system from todays build or the last officail one? |
| 05:11:14 | Temfate | not talking to me are you? Linus took off. I'd guess base it on bleeding edge (current cvs build) |
| 05:11:43 | Bio_Hazard | you seem to be the only one alive (BS me) |
| 05:12:07 | Temfate | BS me? |
| 05:12:42 | Bio_Hazard | besides me |
| 05:12:56 | Temfate | ah... |
| 05:13:52 | Temfate | Woohoo! First version of my code supporting FM tuner is done! And it works perfectly!!!!! It locks it up so nothing but turning off works! DAMN! |
| 05:17:27 | Bio_Hazard | lol |
| 05:17:45 | Bio_Hazard | sux for me still... |
| 05:17:51 | Temfate | hmm... Wrong io line! |
| 05:18:03 | Temfate | so your buttons just don't register sometimes? |
| 05:18:21 | Bio_Hazard | sometimes down registers a play |
| 05:19:33 | Bio_Hazard | about 25% of the time |
| 05:19:57 | Bio_Hazard | what exactly does loudness do? |
| 05:19:57 | Temfate | hmm... linus said it's using a/d converters to register the keys. some kind of voltage divider maybe? So the threshold allows it to map out the voltage to which key? |
| 05:20:07 | Temfate | loudness? |
| 05:20:19 | Bio_Hazard | in sound options |
| 05:20:58 | Temfate | oh; for classical music originally; it boosts bass and treble and keeps mid flat... At least that's what it's supposed to do... |
| 05:21:31 | Bio_Hazard | just do the bass and treble |
| 05:21:32 | Temfate | they might have implemented it differently. |
| 05:21:53 | Bio_Hazard | ok i guess |
| 05:22:07 | Bio_Hazard | (im doing the menu thing...) |
| 05:23:24 | Temfate | return set_sound(str(LANG_LOUDNESS), &global_settings.loudness, |
| 05:23:25 | Temfate | SOUND_LOUDNESS); |
| 05:23:33 | Temfate | that's what loudness does! |
| 05:23:34 | Temfate | :) |
| 05:24:04 | Bio_Hazard | ? |
| 05:24:38 | Temfate | dunno; I'm trying find the set_sound function now... They are just sending a value to it... |
| 05:28:21 | Bio_Hazard | i sure wish that when a song finshed, it would switch to the selected song back in the menu... (toggleable) |
| 05:28:45 | Temfate | I'm sure that can be done... |
| 05:28:51 | Temfate | Feature request it... |
| 05:29:17 | Bio_Hazard | what is "short case sensitive"? |
| 05:29:21 | Temfate | almost found the set_sound... It's an eq option valid from 0 to 100... |
| 05:29:48 | Temfate | dunno; where's it used? |
| 05:30:13 | Bio_Hazard | i mean "sort case sensitive" |
| 05:31:16 | Bio_Hazard | menu>general>file view>sort mode> |
| 05:31:22 | Temfate | sounds like a option that allows the alphabetical sorting to be case sensitive or not... |
| 05:31:42 | Bio_Hazard | what good is that? |
| 05:31:46 | Temfate | ie aa, ab, ac, AA, AB, AC or aa, AA, ab, AB |
| 05:31:49 | Temfate | etc........ |
| 05:31:57 | Temfate | useful for some people |
| 05:32:13 | Bio_Hazard | your example confused me... |
| 05:32:20 | Temfate | lol |
| 05:32:29 | Bio_Hazard | oh! |
| 05:32:32 | Bio_Hazard | i get it |
| 05:32:37 | Temfate | It means a and A have the same value or not |
| 05:32:38 | Bio_Hazard | how worthless... |
| 05:32:54 | PsycoXul | it was a much requested feature |
| 05:32:56 | Bio_Hazard | i can think of not one use for that |
| 05:33:03 | PsycoXul | but not everybody likes it so it became an option |
| 05:33:12 | Bio_Hazard | ok i guess... |
| 05:33:19 | Bio_Hazard | wait |
| 05:33:26 | Bio_Hazard | ANOTHER LIFE FORM!!! |
| 05:33:31 | PsycoXul | indeed |
| 05:33:39 | PsycoXul | i tried not make my presense known |
| 05:33:54 | PsycoXul | but you crossed a threshold :p |
| 05:34:00 | PsycoXul | i just had to chime in |
| 05:34:06 | Bio_Hazard | lol |
| 05:34:49 | PsycoXul | some people like to see everything that starts with a capital lettor sorted before the things that don't |
| 05:34:52 | PsycoXul | other people don't |
| 05:34:54 | Bio_Hazard | it just chills ya to the bone! nobody can ever have a private convorsation in a public chatroom anymore! |
| 05:34:55 | PsycoXul | it's a matter of preference |
| 05:34:55 | Bio_Hazard | LOL |
| 05:35:08 | PsycoXul | and what they're used to since different file managers/OS's/etc do it the 2 different ways |
| 05:35:08 | Temfate | AARRGGGHHH; well I traced it; but still now have to find a value preset for LOUDNESS!!!! |
| 05:35:16 | Bio_Hazard | LOL |
| 05:35:53 | PsycoXul | nah it's not private conversation |
| 05:36:03 | PsycoXul | it's about a lack of thought |
| 05:36:03 | PsycoXul | :p |
| 05:37:20 | Temfate | I guess loudness appears to be a volume multiplier... |
| 05:37:54 | Bio_Hazard | ? |
| 05:37:56 | Bio_Hazard | why? |
| 05:38:08 | Bio_Hazard | just turn it up! |
| 05:39:04 | Temfate | I'd guess for some amplifiers the volume doesn't go high enough. |
| 05:39:04 | Bio_Hazard | i totally got rid of the genaral settings menu... |
| 05:40:36 | Bio_Hazard | what is ff/rw min step? |
| 05:41:09 | Temfate | dang it; I'm not looking for another one! |
| 05:41:11 | Temfate | :) |
| 05:41:32 | Temfate | guess! Try it! |
| 05:41:47 | Bio_Hazard | ill put that one in the "controll freak" menu |
| 05:42:16 | Bio_Hazard | i dont think even the iPod does that... |
| 05:42:43 | Temfate | what? ipod sucks man... From what I've read it's no where near as hacked... |
| 05:43:01 | Bio_Hazard | lol |
| 05:43:01 | PsycoXul | Temfate: #ipodlinux |
| 05:43:06 | PsycoXul | i think |
| 05:43:07 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:43:20 | Bio_Hazard | its too expensive |
| 05:43:33 | Temfate | geez... they should post that somewhere... I've read around and didn't find that. |
| 05:43:45 | Temfate | But I agree it's like twice the price. |
| 05:44:04 | Bio_Hazard | they wanted $300 for 5GB!!! |
| 05:44:20 | Bio_Hazard | i got a 15Gb archos for $125 |
| 05:44:26 | Temfate | they aren't talking much in that channel |
| 05:44:40 | Temfate | wrong time of day? |
| 05:45:51 | Bio_Hazard | what is "play selected first"? |
| 05:46:26 | Bio_Hazard | just what does it do not how does it work |
| 05:47:17 | PsycoXul | Temfate: no clue, i don't follow it |
| 05:47:28 | PsycoXul | somebody in here was mentioning it at some time or another while i was lurking |
| 05:47:28 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:47:42 | PsycoXul | Bio_Hazard: i'm not sure about that one heh |
| 05:47:56 | Bio_Hazard | i notice no difference |
| 05:47:58 | Temfate | I can't find it in the code either... |
| 05:48:19 | Bio_Hazard | ill leave it out then |
| 05:48:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:48:57 | * | PsycoXul gets the feeling nobody's gonna like or use your new menu setup |
| 05:49:51 | Bio_Hazard | oh well |
| 05:49:53 | Bio_Hazard | im bored |
| 05:50:05 | PsycoXul | http://psyco.yi.org:8042/bitwave.html |
| 05:50:07 | PsycoXul | look at that |
| 05:51:04 | Temfate | bad, really bad... You need something to do! |
| 05:51:12 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:51:22 | PsycoXul | no this Is something i'm doing |
| 05:51:32 | Temfate | explain |
| 05:51:43 | PsycoXul | i just thought the patterns output by this program i wrote looked kinda neat |
| 05:51:56 | PsycoXul | so i made a small snippet of it into that page |
| 05:52:03 | Temfate | that's the pattern gen? |
| 05:52:06 | PsycoXul | it also is very easy to visualize the data in that format |
| 05:52:39 | PsycoXul | it's a sine wave generator that outputs to (a format similar to) Sony's "Direct Stream Digital", the audio format that's used on SACD's |
| 05:53:30 | Temfate | cool... What are you planning... SACD is a pretty awesome format I've heard. Haven't seen it yet myself though... |
| 05:53:40 | Temfate | I've spent far to much time in the sat world... |
| 05:53:49 | PsycoXul | i say (a format similar to) because i've just done this based on the little i've read about it, i can't say that it's identical to it |
| 05:54:48 | PsycoXul | the most technically in-depth information i've found on it is that it's 1 bit 2824400 Hz sampling |
| 05:54:57 | PsycoXul | and that 1's represent an increase in amplitude and 0's a decrease |
| 05:55:10 | PsycoXul | so i basically just do a loop on |
| 05:55:12 | PsycoXul | if (result > last_result) { |
| 05:55:12 | PsycoXul | bit=1; |
| 05:55:12 | PsycoXul | } else if (result < last_result) { |
| 05:55:12 | DBUG | Sent KICK PsycoXul to server |
| 05:55:12 | PsycoXul | bit=0; } else { |
| 05:55:12 | Kick | (#rockbox PsycoXul :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@labb.contactor.se |
| 05:55:16 | | Join PsycoXul [0] (psyco@adsl-63-205-47-208.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:55:17 | PsycoXul | er heh |
| 05:55:21 | PsycoXul | dumb bot that's not a flood :p |
| 05:55:29 | PsycoXul | that was 7 lines |
| 05:55:30 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:55:58 | Bio_Hazard | THIS |
| 05:55:59 | Temfate | hmm... so it's only one voice at a time; or multiple streams? |
| 05:56:11 | PsycoXul | eh? |
| 05:56:20 | Bio_Hazard | oops WW |
| 05:56:57 | PsycoXul | a single stream of this can hold much more audio data than a single 44.1khz 16-bit PCM stream |
| 05:57:04 | PsycoXul | this is ~2.8Mhz |
| 05:57:32 | Temfate | but only 1-bit means one voice; or is there a protocol to tell it which voice etc between the packets? |
| 05:57:41 | PsycoXul | no it doesn't |
| 05:57:50 | PsycoXul | it's just a wave |
| 05:58:17 | Temfate | ah; nevermind... So it's a full wave map with voice already mixed... got it. |
| 05:58:18 | PsycoXul | any recording is a complex wave of multiple waves effecting each other |
| 05:58:43 | PsycoXul | PCM or DSD either way only takes the whole result |
| 05:58:45 | Temfate | pretty tricky stuff... |
| 05:59:05 | PsycoXul | because thats all you get from a mic |
| 05:59:18 | PsycoXul | is how all the waves add and subtract each other |
| 05:59:18 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:59:24 | Temfate | I haven't studied sound formats much... you could teach me a lot! :) |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:02 | PsycoXul | each PCM sample is a number value for the amplitude of the wave at that sample's moment in time |
| 06:00:34 | PsycoXul | DSD is similar except it has many many more samples and each only (as far as i can tell) gives a signal in increase or decrease |
| 06:01:10 | PsycoXul | the more densely packed the 0's the faster the decrease, and likewise with 1's and increase |
| 06:01:36 | PsycoXul | from what i can tell, a plateu or silence is just 01010101 |
| 06:01:54 | Temfate | wait... so 0 is decrease and 1 is increase? How can it play a flat sample? |
| 06:02:00 | Temfate | nevermind; you read my mind... |
| 06:02:00 | PsycoXul | basically the full 2.8Mhz cycle, whuch is far beyond our hearing range and gets cut out anyway with the low-pass filter |
| 06:02:15 | PsycoXul | which it'll go through on playback |
| 06:02:16 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:02:57 | PsycoXul | this is just my guess anyway |
| 06:03:00 | PsycoXul | it seems workable and reasonable |
| 06:03:02 | Temfate | neat. so how does HDCD compare? |
| 06:03:11 | PsycoXul | no clue, know nothing about HDCD |
| 06:03:12 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:03:51 | Temfate | as far as I know it was just 24 bit recording on cd... but this SACD is supposed to be the thing of the future... you writing a codec or what? |
| 06:04:29 | PsycoXul | my interest in this format is mainly because of my frustration with digital recording and processing hardware, software, and methods available to me |
| 06:05:03 | PsycoXul | most digital effects suck heh |
| 06:05:11 | PsycoXul | unless they're ridiculously expensive |
| 06:05:22 | Temfate | true |
| 06:05:24 | PsycoXul | good analog effects are also ridiculously expensive |
| 06:05:28 | PsycoXul | in many cases |
| 06:05:50 | Temfate | so are you a dj or something? artist? |
| 06:05:57 | PsycoXul | i'm just starting with home recording |
| 06:06:13 | PsycoXul | i play the guitar |
| 06:06:24 | PsycoXul | i might sing if it sounds good which we'll see heh |
| 06:06:32 | Temfate | lol |
| 06:07:07 | PsycoXul | i wrote this sine wave generator so that i could see a few things about the processability of this format |
| 06:07:11 | PsycoXul | and also about it's compressability |
| 06:07:28 | Temfate | I'd imagine it compresses quite well. |
| 06:07:34 | PsycoXul | i made a 5 minute long thing of 440hz sine wave |
| 06:07:36 | PsycoXul | came out to 101MB |
| 06:07:41 | PsycoXul | bzip2'd it to 12K |
| 06:07:50 | PsycoXul | of course it's just a single frequency repeated over and over |
| 06:08:20 | PsycoXul | so i don't expect anything similar for a full range of frequencies and lack of consistent repitition characteristic of a musical recording |
| 06:08:28 | Temfate | true... so did you write a decoder that sounds decent? |
| 06:08:44 | PsycoXul | but it's still kindof an interesting ratio heh |
| 06:08:58 | PsycoXul | writing a DSD->PCM converter is the next thing i need to work on |
| 06:09:13 | PsycoXul | the first approach i'll try will be |
| 06:09:15 | PsycoXul | average 16 bits into a 16bit value at 176525 Hz |
| 06:09:17 | PsycoXul | start with 0, add <value?> per 1 and subtract it per 0 |
| 06:09:20 | PsycoXul | each subsequent 16-bit averaging starts with the previous sample value and |
| 06:09:20 | PsycoXul | continues in this manner. |
| 06:09:36 | PsycoXul | then use sox to do a 22khz lowpass filter and convert it to 44.1khz for listening to see if it gives anything decent |
| 06:09:39 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:10:11 | PsycoXul | i chose 16 bits because it was the first value i tried that the 2.8mhz sampling rate devided cleanly into an integral hz |
| 06:10:38 | Temfate | hmm. so whats <value> going to be??? |
| 06:10:52 | PsycoXul | not sure yet |
| 06:10:54 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:11:23 | PsycoXul | i'll write my code so that i can plug in various values for the hz, number of bits to average, and the value that each bit counts for |
| 06:11:29 | Temfate | you may have to interpolate it based on frequency of 1 or 0 in the 2.8mhz stream |
| 06:12:19 | PsycoXul | i know somebody who has an SACD and am hoping we can figure out some way to use their DVD-ROM drive to rip a bit of it for me to play with |
| 06:12:53 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:13:22 | Temfate | if you just raw-read some sectors you should find the pattern easily unless they purposely encode it to hide from rippers. |
| 06:14:16 | PsycoXul | yeah |
| 06:14:26 | PsycoXul | the biggest problem is he's using windows and so i dunno what to tell him to try |
| 06:14:29 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:14:39 | Temfate | get the gnu tools! |
| 06:14:50 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:15:25 | Temfate | I think there's a dd that works well under windows. |
| 06:15:37 | PsycoXul | how do you tell it what device to use? |
| 06:15:48 | Temfate | ok; you got me on that one! |
| 06:15:57 | Temfate | linux boot disc! |
| 06:16:03 | PsycoXul | hehe thats what i was thinking |
| 06:16:07 | PsycoXul | it's beck - sea change |
| 06:16:14 | PsycoXul | which i Think is both hybrid and 5-channel |
| 06:16:36 | PsycoXul | of course the cd-audio portion of it's only 2-channel |
| 06:17:02 | PsycoXul | but that complicates things a bit |
| 06:17:04 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:17:12 | Temfate | hmm.... pioneering a new hack is always fun. |
| 06:17:59 | PsycoXul | my big interest in all this is 2 things... 1, making digital effects that really sound good heh |
| 06:18:35 | PsycoXul | and 2, the possibility of implimenting this type of sampling in some sort of cheap circuit that i can then send through USB and make a cheap DSD recorder |
| 06:19:02 | Bio_Hazard | whats the difference between hd spindown and hd poweroff |
| 06:19:15 | Temfate | 2 should be do-able; dunno about 1! |
| 06:19:24 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:19:32 | PsycoXul | well i don't care about realtime |
| 06:19:43 | PsycoXul | i don't expect to be able to do realtime effects on 2.8Mhz stream in software |
| 06:19:48 | PsycoXul | at least not with my coding skill level |
| 06:19:49 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:19:59 | PsycoXul | it takes my program 6 seconds to generate 1 second of a simple sine wave in this format |
| 06:20:23 | Temfate | lol |
| 06:20:37 | Temfate | how fast is the machine?\ |
| 06:20:40 | PsycoXul | but this stream sorta bypasses all the aliasing problems that're the biggest thing that makes digital effects suck |
| 06:20:43 | PsycoXul | 1Ghz athlon |
| 06:21:23 | Temfate | ah. I'd like to see the code if you don't mind... how big is a 1 second sample? |
| 06:21:36 | PsycoXul | do the math |
| 06:21:47 | PsycoXul | 2824400/8 bytes |
| 06:21:48 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:22:05 | PsycoXul | about 345K |
| 06:22:25 | | Quit elinenbe (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 06:23:23 | PsycoXul | it's very dirty and straight forward |
| 06:23:36 | PsycoXul | i mostly use bash for stuff and only C when i wanna do things that bash is too slow for or just can't do |
| 06:24:05 | Temfate | heh... you should try perl instead of bash! |
| 06:24:10 | PsycoXul | there's probably lots of technical problems |
| 06:24:11 | PsycoXul | i hate perl :p |
| 06:24:18 | Temfate | perl's most like c! |
| 06:24:24 | PsycoXul | bash is my friend |
| 06:24:26 | PsycoXul | perl's mean to me |
| 06:24:37 | PsycoXul | heh yeah and i avoid C :p |
| 06:24:41 | Temfate | besides I'm a tcsh guy... |
| 06:24:50 | PsycoXul | pointers frustrate me |
| 06:25:09 | Temfate | pointers can be your friend so long as you don't go to NULL! |
| 06:25:25 | PsycoXul | C can be odd sometimes too |
| 06:25:38 | PsycoXul | with this program, mostly how you see it, i was having really weird problems |
| 06:25:38 | Temfate | They let you dump memory from supercomputers with classified info! :) Don't ask! |
| 06:25:47 | PsycoXul | hehe |
| 06:26:29 | PsycoXul | but i was having a problem where this atof() seemed to work fine unless i printf'd it's result After the atof() call and then the atof() call would return odd things |
| 06:26:47 | Temfate | dang it; I reformatted not long ago on this windows box and haven't put djgpp on it yet... |
| 06:26:54 | PsycoXul | or some odd thing along those lines |
| 06:27:17 | PsycoXul | it was very non-sensical and i thought i was going crazy |
| 06:27:22 | Temfate | hmm... you printf'd it as %f right? |
| 06:27:42 | PsycoXul | i even sent the code to a couple friends and they couldn't find anything wrong with it either |
| 06:27:56 | PsycoXul | what it turned out to be was that i forgot to add an include for stdlib.h |
| 06:28:22 | Temfate | that's odd. |
| 06:28:27 | PsycoXul | no complaints, no errors or warnings, compiled and ran happily |
| 06:28:31 | PsycoXul | just behaved really screwy |
| 06:28:31 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:28:35 | Temfate | it didn't complain at the linker though? |
| 06:29:30 | PsycoXul | then i was looking at the man page to double-check i had all the paramaters right for all the functions involved |
| 06:29:48 | PsycoXul | and then looked to see what header it needed, and looked at the top of my file and it wasn't there |
| 06:29:52 | PsycoXul | added it and everything fell into line |
| 06:30:45 | PsycoXul | it also took me a while to figure out how to make sin give me the frequency sine wave i wanted in 2.8mhz sampling rate |
| 06:30:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 06:31:06 | PsycoXul | i eventualy figured it out though i'm still not quite sure Why it works how it does |
| 06:31:09 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 06:31:16 | Temfate | I can see where that would take some trial and error. |
| 06:32:12 | PsycoXul | and then finding a combination of decimal precision and amplitude multiplier that gave me nice looking patterns of 1's and 0's flipping in smooth curves rather than just solid blocks of 0's and solid blocks of 1's |
| 06:32:56 | PsycoXul | i tried not messing with the decimal precision |
| 06:33:21 | PsycoXul | but couldn't find any multipliers that gave me anything other than either all 01010101's or all solid blocks |
| 06:33:31 | Temfate | guess I'll have to run it to understand that one. |
| 06:33:42 | PsycoXul | so i ended up having to do the |
| 06:33:45 | PsycoXul | snprintf(result_str,11,"%.7f",result); |
| 06:33:48 | PsycoXul | result=atof(result_str); |
| 06:33:50 | PsycoXul | stuff |
| 06:34:14 | PsycoXul | just so that i could force 2 values to match and give me things like 001001001 instead of all 0's |
| 06:35:07 | Temfate | I gotta go; star trek voyager just came on... but I'll be on here tomorrow again. |
| 06:35:17 | PsycoXul | luckily when i had it all working it was almost trivial to make it take freq, time, and amplitude as arguments heh |
| 06:35:21 | PsycoXul | ok, see ya |
| 06:35:36 | Temfate | cool. Talk to ya later. |
| 06:35:46 | | Quit Temfate ("---> just died of caffine overdose...") |
| 06:38:56 | Bio_Hazard | im done with the new menu setup |
| 06:40:53 | Bio_Hazard | Be back tomorrow... |
| 06:41:05 | | Part Bio_Hazard |
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| 08:37:18 | dwihno | Yay! |
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| 08:45:30 | adi|home | what i miss? |
| 08:49:03 | dwihno | Dunno. |
| 08:54:46 | * | dwihno is trying to store some data from a mysql table |
| 08:54:52 | dwihno | I get fishy errors :D |
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| 09:01:59 | adi|home | ahh :) |
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| 09:14:32 | quelsaruk | morning |
| 09:15:17 | dwihno | morning quel! |
| 09:15:29 | dwihno | Muzzy is the monster who eat clocks, right? |
| 09:15:44 | dwihno | And speaks like he is really sleepy? |
| 09:15:55 | quelsaruk | yups!! |
| 09:16:00 | quelsaruk | i'm muzzy |
| 09:16:03 | quelsaruk | big muzzy |
| 09:16:04 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 09:16:11 | dwihno | :-D |
| 09:16:16 | quelsaruk | a price for dwihno!! |
| 09:16:31 | dwihno | Don't tell me it's a goat. |
| 09:17:45 | quelsaruk | a mini-goat! you can have it in your pocket, ready to use it anywhere, anytime :) |
| 09:20:59 | dwihno | :-D |
| 09:21:06 | dwihno | Pokégoat? |
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| 09:22:08 | quelsaruk | a digi-goat |
| 09:22:13 | dwihno | :( |
| 09:22:14 | quelsaruk | digievolutes and so on |
| 09:22:23 | quelsaruk | it's better than a pokegoat |
| 09:22:23 | dwihno | sounds pretty funky... |
| 09:24:07 | quelsaruk | it's cool |
| 09:24:09 | quelsaruk | :D |
| 09:30:51 | dwihno | Yum! Fralla! |
| 09:31:27 | quelsaruk | ¿? |
| 09:35:08 | dwihno | Muy bien! :D |
| 09:35:11 | dwihno | Muy tastefull! |
| 09:35:14 | dwihno | With cucumber and paprika |
| 09:36:01 | quelsaruk | what's fralla?? |
| 09:36:26 | dwihno | a bun of bread |
| 09:36:42 | quelsaruk | ahhh |
| 09:36:47 | quelsaruk | una tostada |
| 09:36:48 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 09:36:51 | dwihno | tostada! :D |
| 09:37:01 | dwihno | Une granda tostada! Muy bien! |
| 09:38:37 | quelsaruk | btw, have you seen gangs of new york? |
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| 09:40:17 | dwihno | nah |
| 09:40:19 | dwihno | not yet |
| 09:40:34 | quelsaruk | or me it was boring |
| 09:40:36 | quelsaruk | too slow |
| 09:41:19 | quelsaruk | it's ok.. but, don't see it at 12:00 pm, or you'll get asleep |
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| 12:57:51 | Bagder | 'lo |
| 12:59:08 | matsl | hi |
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| 13:13:41 | Bagder | work work work |
| 13:14:42 | quel|out | don't tell me that! |
| 13:14:51 | quel|out | i've been working all morning |
| 13:14:53 | quel|out | :P |
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| 15:25:38 | nono | hello ! |
| 15:25:43 | TBoy | hoi |
| 15:26:19 | nono | I have a "dummy" question about firmware installation on archos ! |
| 15:26:25 | TBoy | kay |
| 15:27:13 | nono | if I install the rockbox firmware, is it possible to return (recover) the original firmware ? |
| 15:27:25 | dwihno | of course |
| 15:27:26 | nono | and how ? |
| 15:27:31 | dwihno | you simply erase the rockbox firmware filew |
| 15:27:35 | TBoy | yep you just delete the ajz on your |
| 15:27:35 | dwihno | simple as 1, 2, 7 |
| 15:27:36 | dwihno | ;-) |
| 15:27:38 | TBoy | darn |
| 15:27:45 | TBoy | you were faster |
| 15:28:11 | nono | okay |
| 15:28:26 | nono | I will try it now... |
| 15:28:41 | nono | thanks a lot ! |
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| 18:02:48 | Temfate | question for someone I hope: does $50 each sound decent for the 8mb memory chips? |
| 18:03:08 | Temfate | or would I be being ripped off? |
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| 18:05:16 | quelsaruk | umm |
| 18:05:18 | quelsaruk | dunno |
| 18:05:30 | quelsaruk | i haven't made the mod |
| 18:05:35 | quelsaruk | look at the mail list |
| 18:06:27 | Temfate | I did; from what they said it's extremely rare and you have to pay whatever someone offers... Just wanted to find out if someone had found better. |
| 18:06:38 | Phoe-chan | excuse me, but does any one have a working knowledge of the guts of the Recorder FM? Mine is going pearshaped and I cannot figure out why. |
| 18:07:08 | Temfate | it's changing shapes? That's pretty bad! |
| 18:07:31 | Phoe-chan | :) |
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| 18:07:53 | quelsaruk | hi LinusN! |
| 18:07:57 | LinusN | Phoe-chan: what do you want to know about the fm? |
| 18:08:02 | LinusN | hi quelsaruk |
| 18:08:32 | Phoe-chan | the contrast on it is going. Is there any way that the display could physically lose its intensity? |
| 18:08:57 | Phoe-chan | I've had it about 3 weeks and this morning it just faded to nothing, with rockbox set to max contrast I can just read it still |
| 18:09:04 | LinusN | hmmm, everything is possible |
| 18:09:15 | LinusN | i guess you should return it |
| 18:09:23 | Phoe-chan | ah, so it is feasable. Damn, I was hoping it wasn't mechanical failure. |
| 18:09:32 | Temfate | if you delete rockbox does it still occur I take it? |
| 18:09:42 | Phoe-chan | yes, the basic OS is paled out as well |
| 18:10:03 | Phoe-chan | damn, another 6 month fight with a tech company... time to get my walkman out of storage. |
| 18:10:38 | Temfate | well; 3 weeks should be fairly short; just return wherever you bought it... |
| 18:10:48 | Temfate | or did you mail order? |
| 18:10:55 | Phoe-chan | Unfortunately it was purchased online, so it will be the same degree of fighting |
| 18:11:19 | | Nick LinusN is now known as Linus|busy (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 18:11:20 | Phoe-chan | coupled with the fact that archos will not even return my e-mails, its looking pretty bleak. |
| 18:12:32 | Temfate | yea; I've heard archos is not to customer friendly... Don't they have a phone number? 1 949 609 1400 |
| 18:12:40 | Temfate | that's a usa one... |
| 18:12:49 | Phoe-chan | erk, this is a new wrinkle. Wont turn on. |
| 18:12:57 | Temfate | lol |
| 18:13:03 | Phoe-chan | powers up, then powers straight down. |
| 18:13:19 | Temfate | I had that happen last night; hold the power on button for a bit. |
| 18:13:42 | Phoe-chan | ah yes. Still faded, but alive again |
| 18:13:57 | Phoe-chan | does rockbox have a toggle for the deep disscharge option? |
| 18:14:22 | Phoe-chan | I shall try bleeding the battery tonight and completely recharging it. See if its a power issue. |
| 18:15:24 | Temfate | try just running it plugged in... If it's a power issue that'll clear it up. |
| 18:16:17 | Phoe-chan | even if there is, for some obscure reason, a memory effect in the cells? |
| 18:16:40 | Phoe-chan | (I'm trying to disscount everything to avoid having to send it away, because it still actually works... its just pale.) |
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| 19:01:01 | quelsaruk | dwihn0r: what are u doing here at this hours?? |
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| 19:49:14 | quelsaruk | hi edx |
| 19:53:26 | quelsaruk | cu next week |
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| 22:54:42 | bitjockey | Sorry for bothering, but I've searched your site for more than an hour and I haven't realized if on a Player 6000 you have the queue function or not |
| 22:55:24 | adi|work | depends on what version you use |
| 22:55:37 | adi|work | queueing is only available in daily builds, it was not released as part of 1.4 |
| 22:55:41 | adi|work | or you could wait for 2.0 |
| 22:55:42 | adi|work | :) |
| 22:56:04 | bitjockey | i'll go for daily builds! |
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| 23:43:28 | bitjockey | I've installed the daily build and it has many nice new features,but there is no more "progress bar" (i think this have been deleted), and I can't realize how to enqueue a song. |
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| 23:50:01 | arbrab | hello, is this the correct channel for the rockbox project on sourceforge? |
| 23:52:55 | bitjockey | it' s the first time I came here, but I think you're right |
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| 23:54:38 | arbrab | okay.. anyone compiled the sources here? I cant seem to find as.exe |
| 23:55:48 | arbrab | as in I have cygwin installed and another tool chain(cross compiler) installed as well.. so it keeps picking as from one of those.. and I cant see any as.exe here.. so how does gcc assemble? |
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